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myles2424
02-06-2013, 05:10 PM
Ok, Canty/bradshaw/boley offically gone....

Can anyone with cap knowledge give us a ruff estimate....

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:13 PM
They saved roughly 14 million with the cuts they have made so far.

I believe ESPN had reported the giants were 4 mil over the cap? Someone will have to find that info.

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:14 PM
They saved roughly 14 million with the cuts they have made so far.

I believe ESPN had reported the giants were 4 mil over the cap? Someone will have to find that info.

So basically we'd be 10 mill under. We could flat out sign Beatty and maybe one other guy like Stevie for that money...

myles2424
02-06-2013, 05:16 PM
So basically we'd be 10 mill under. We could flat out sign Beatty and maybe one other guy like Stevie for that money...
How much would Diehl save us? Id hope we can work our way into resigning our guys & atleast 1 decent FA

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:16 PM
So basically we'd be 10 mill under. We could flat out sign Beatty and maybe one other guy like Stevie for that money...

Dont really need to resign Stevie, could just give him a tender for a year. Wait for more contracts to clear next season.

They should have the money to resign Beatty and someone else (bennett maybe?). Depending how they structure contracts they could possibly resign Nicks as well. Nicks has a salary this year of about 3 mil, so they could bump it to 5 or so with a long term contract

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:18 PM
Dont really need to resign Stevie, could just give him a tender for a year. Wait for more contracts to clear next season.

Fair enough, and I like the idea of Beatty and Bennett for 10 mil or under combined.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:19 PM
How much would Diehl save us? Id hope we can work our way into resigning our guys & atleast 1 decent FA

7.475 million.

T2 would save another 2.25 million

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:20 PM
So if those two guys were dropped, we could then add Cruz to that list... we can definitely make this work, and while I'm sad to see a lot of these guys who have served us well go, it's time to move on...

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:22 PM
So if those two guys were dropped, we could then add Cruz to that list... we can definitely make this work, and while I'm sad to see a lot of these guys who have served us well go, it's time to move on...

Yes, they could quite easily sign Cruz, Nicks, Beatty, and Bennett. Possibly still have a bit left over to resign KP. But they would have to backload a lot of the contracts, so in a few years time, they would really start being a lot of money.

Though its very possible the NFL salary cap will start ramping up after 2014.

TroyArcher
02-06-2013, 05:23 PM
So basically we'd be 10 mill under. We could flat out sign Beatty and maybe one other guy like Stevie for that money...



Yes, but who will run the ball?

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:23 PM
Yes, but who will run the ball?

Wilson + Brown + Scott

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:24 PM
Yes, but who will run the ball?

Wilson?

And if we pick up a stud OL in the first round we would be able to send him into routes on pass plays rather than force him to just block all the time?

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 05:24 PM
7.475 million. T2 would save another 2.25 millionGood bye!

myles2424
02-06-2013, 05:24 PM
7.475 million.

T2 would save another 2.25 million
Any chance of Web taking a cut? Risky to get rid of him, but cant see him staying with that salary

rxc999
02-06-2013, 05:26 PM
i think webbie and dhiel will re-structure..no way we pay dhiel that much money

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:27 PM
i think webbie and dhiel will re-structure..no way we pay dhiel that much money

I think they're both gone, or at the very least Diehl. If we have all this cap space and land a nice veteran corner, we can get rid of the Toaster too...

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 05:27 PM
How do the save if they cut Rolle?

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:28 PM
Any chance of Web taking a cut? Risky to get rid of him, but cant see him staying with that salary

Doubtful. Guys on the last year of their contract dont often take pay cuts. They get the axe or they are left alone.

I dont think they will get rid of him, they will let him play out his last year, and hope he is anywhere close to as good the last time he was in a contract year (2008).

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:29 PM
How do the save if they cut Rolle?

5.25 million, and save his full 9.25 mil cap hit in 2014.

Drez
02-06-2013, 05:30 PM
Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas (https://twitter.com/JennyVrentas)
Oh wait... there you go! Thanks. RT: @RapSheet (https://twitter.com/RapSheet): Teams told salary cap will be $121.1M RT @JennyVrentas (https://twitter.com/JennyVrentas):Think Giants at around $118.25M now.

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:30 PM
5.25 million, and save his full 9.25 mil cap hit in 2014.

If we get KP and Stevie re-signed (whether directly or through tenders with stevie) this could be very possible...

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:34 PM
Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas (https://twitter.com/JennyVrentas)
Oh wait... there you go! Thanks. RT: @RapSheet (https://twitter.com/RapSheet): Teams told salary cap will be $121.1M RT @JennyVrentas (https://twitter.com/JennyVrentas):Think Giants at around $118.25M now.

Which would only make sense if the ESPN numbers were off by like 12 million.

Drez
02-06-2013, 05:38 PM
Which would only make sense if the ESPN numbers were off by like 12 million.Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas (https://twitter.com/JennyVrentas)Before the Boley, Bradshaw and Canty cuts, Giants salary cap number was about $132M. The 2013 cap hasn't been announced yet. #nyg (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nyg&src=hash)

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nycsportzfan
02-06-2013, 05:40 PM
Dont really need to resign Stevie, could just give him a tender for a year. Wait for more contracts to clear next season.

They should have the money to resign Beatty and someone else (bennett maybe?). Depending how they structure contracts they could possibly resign Nicks as well. Nicks has a salary this year of about 3 mil, so they could bump it to 5 or so with a long term contract Smart idea regarding Stevie, becuase u also want to make sure this wasen't just a flukey , in the right place at the right time type of season...

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:43 PM
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The salary cap is projected to be roughly the same. So either ESPN or whoever was doing this math is way off.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/48039/nfc-east-salary-cap-numbers

Clayton has the giants at 4.7 mil over the cap.

So subtracting the roughly 14 mil they cut today, that should put them at 9.3 mil under the cap.

Not 3 mil under.

Drez
02-06-2013, 05:47 PM
The salary cap is projected to be roughly the same. So either ESPN or whoever was doing this math is way off.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/48039/nfc-east-salary-cap-numbers

Clayton has the giants at 4.7 mil over the cap.

So subtracting the roughly 14 mil they cut today, that should put them at 9.3 mil under the cap.

Not 3 mil under.ANd Vrentas had us at $11m over. I have no way of telling whose numbers are right. Like does Clayton's numbers include the escalators hit by some of our guys?

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:49 PM
ANd Vrentas had us at $11m over. I have no way of telling whose numbers are right.

Yea, so they are somewhere between 3-10 mil under the cap.

And they could have theoretically saved even more money on those releases if they kept the signing bonuses prorated instead of having them acceleration to this season. Could have saved another 4 or so million

Giants5699
02-06-2013, 05:50 PM
They gotta cut T2, Webster, and Diehl now.

KillaRich
02-06-2013, 05:51 PM
Giants should save more pending a T2 cut, Diehl release or paycut , and a Webby paycut

Drez
02-06-2013, 05:52 PM
Yea, so they are somewhere between 3-10 mil under the cap.

And they could have theoretically saved even more money on those releases if they kept the signing bonuses prorated instead of having them acceleration to this season. Could have saved another 4 or so millionYup. I just tweeted Vrentas to ask where she got her numbers from.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:53 PM
They gotta cut T2, Webster, and Diehl now.


Giants should save more pending a T2 cut, Diehl release or paycut , and a Webby paycut

Dont think webster is getting cut or taking a pay cut.

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:04 PM
Dont think webster is getting cut or taking a pay cut.Probably not. However, if by chance we pick up a decent CB in FA, I wouldn't be surprised to see Webster cut as part of the signing.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:06 PM
Probably not. However, if by chance we pick up a decent CB in FA, I wouldn't be surprised to see Webster cut as part of the signing.

Hard to say. Depends really on who they want to keep and how they can fit everyone under the cap. With Diehl and T2 released they could possibly have over 20 mil in cap room, should be able to sign anyone with that kind of room.

If it gets tight again after signings and they need more room, then maybe webster can be released. But they dont really need that room right now

jomo
02-06-2013, 06:07 PM
Hard to say. Depends really on who they want to keep and how they can fit everyone under the cap. With Diehl and T2 released they could possibly have over 20 mil in cap room, should be able to sign anyone with that kind of room.

If it gets tight again after signings and they need more room, then maybe webster can be released. But they dont really need that room right nowJR is in the process of giving us more flexibility than we've had in years.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:10 PM
JR is in the process of giving us more flexibility than we've had in years.

Eh, for the moment, all of this can get tied up very quickly if they start resigning guys.

Goal is to use every inch of that salary cap too, not leave a ton open.

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:15 PM
Eh, for the moment, all of this can get tied up very quickly if they start resigning guys.

Goal is to use every inch of that salary cap too, not leave a ton open.Yup, just leave a couple mil open for injury help later in the season.

nycsportzfan
02-06-2013, 06:18 PM
Hard to say. Depends really on who they want to keep and how they can fit everyone under the cap. With Diehl and T2 released they could possibly have over 20 mil in cap room, should be able to sign anyone with that kind of room.

If it gets tight again after signings and they need more room, then maybe webster can be released. But they dont really need that room right now Could always let Webster go, and sign a guy like EJ Biggers for a bit cheaper, adn have a guy on the upswing of his career as opposed to downside, and for a bit cheaper.. Theres better options then keeping webster, and i hope Reese sees that.. \

Then again, Webster is in contract yr, so maybe we get a good season outta him..

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:20 PM
Yea, so they are somewhere between 3-10 mil under the cap.

And they could have theoretically saved even more money on those releases if they kept the signing bonuses prorated instead of having them acceleration to this season. Could have saved another 4 or so millionPat Traina has been using the same $132m number and said she got it from someone who is a cap specialist and former agent. I'd imagine that's who all the beat writers tapped for their info.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:22 PM
Pat Traina has been using the same $132m number and said she got it from someone who is a cap specialist and former agent. I'd imagine that's who all the beat writers tapped for their info.

And ESPN gets their numbers from who? lol

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:25 PM
And ESPN gets their numbers from who? lolI dunno. It is a good question.

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:27 PM
And ESPN gets their numbers from who? lolI found this, too: http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/1/23/3904760/new-york-giants-are-9-15-million-over-2013-estimated-nfl-salary-cap

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:29 PM
I found this, too: http://www.bigblueview.com/2013/1/23/3904760/new-york-giants-are-9-15-million-over-2013-estimated-nfl-salary-cap

Nice find. So giants are roughly 3-5 mil under the cap right now.

Diehl and T2 get cut they will be about 11-14 mil under.

Still a good amount.

Flip Empty
02-06-2013, 06:30 PM
So giants are roughly 3-5 mil under the cap right now.
God that's depressing. Three big cuts just to get under.

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:32 PM
Nice find. So giants are roughly 3-5 mil under the cap right now.

Diehl and T2 get cut they will be about 11-14 mil under.

Still a good amount.
Yeah. And then there's the $1m when Osi's contract comes off the books, too.

It took, and will take, a few painful cuts, but it looks like we're gearing up to be in decent shape. At least depending on how the Beatty and Cruz contracts go. I hope we don't have to franchise Beatty (and keep him on it). That will definitely blow up our cap situation.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:33 PM
Yeah. And then there's the $1m when Osi's contract comes off the books, too.

It took, and will take, a few painful cuts, but it looks like we're gearing up to be in decent shape. At least depending on how the Beatty and Cruz contracts go. I hope we don't have to franchise Beatty (and keep him on it). That will definitely blow up our cap situation.

That Osi 1 mil stays on the books.

Still have Tuck and Webster who could be forced to take pay cuts or get released.

They should have enough money to keep who they want.

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:36 PM
That Osi 1 mil stays on the books.

Still have Tuck and Webster who could be forced to take pay cuts or get released.

They should have enough money to keep who they want.No, the $1m for his base salary on his voided year is still on the books right now (at least from what I've seen the beats say on Twitter). I'm thinking it isn't coming off until the start of FA.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:38 PM
No, the $1m for his base salary on his voided year is still on the books right now (at least from what I've seen the beats say on Twitter). I'm thinking it isn't coming off until the start of FA.

The way they structured that contract that 1 mil is a signing bonus that stays on this coming year. Thats how they split his signing bonus up last year so they werent over the cap.

JayMas9
02-06-2013, 06:39 PM
Yes, they could quite easily sign Cruz, Nicks, Beatty, and Bennett. Possibly still have a bit left over to resign KP. But they would have to backload a lot of the contracts, so in a few years time, they would really start being a lot of money.

Though its very possible the NFL salary cap will start ramping up after 2014.This is actually my exact hope. I really think it's an absolute necessity to re-sign KP if we want to have any chance of stopping big plays for the next 2 years.

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:51 PM
Nice find. So giants are roughly 3-5 mil under the cap right now.

Diehl and T2 get cut they will be about 11-14 mil under.

Still a good amount.Vrentas said she got her numbers per official records.

Drez
02-06-2013, 06:52 PM
The way they structured that contract that 1 mil is a signing bonus that stays on this coming year. Thats how they split his signing bonus up last year so they werent over the cap.I'm not talking about his signing bonus. From what I've seen, officially, his contract for this season is still on the books and counting for $1m against the cap, even though he's on the UFA list.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:56 PM
Vrentas said she got her numbers per official records.

except the nfl doesnt release "official records". They dont give contract info out.

miked1958
02-06-2013, 06:56 PM
7.475 million. T2 would save another 2.25 millionin the end as long as we can get nicks and Cruz inked to long term deals we can fill the rest of the holes with draft picks and other signings

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:57 PM
I'm not talking about his signing bonus. From what I've seen, officially, his contract for this season is still on the books and counting for $1m against the cap, even though he's on the UFA list.

That $1 mil charge IS his signing bonus. That is locked in for the 2013 season because of how they structured his contract. They gave him the additional voidable year and put a $1 mil signing bonus on it to spread the cap hit.

That $1 stays.

Drez
02-06-2013, 07:05 PM
except the nfl doesnt release "official records". They dont give contract info out.The NFLPA may. Either way, Vrentas numbers jive with the one in the article I posted, so we now have 3 sources with the same info.