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Blackula31
02-06-2013, 01:19 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/06/new-york-giants-to-release-running-back-ahmad-bradshaw/

He looks like a casualty...

CDN_G-FAN
02-06-2013, 01:23 PM
sad, but not surprising.

Iso many fans loved his fire, and more than a few are going to be pissed off.

Giants5699
02-06-2013, 01:26 PM
good. He has noticeably declined over the past 2 years. He will get signed by a team and contribute as much as Jacobs did for the 49ers.

B-Red22
02-06-2013, 01:27 PM
So a source close to him says he expects to be released? Let me know when there is a source from the front office cause Bradshaw's opinion on this means nothing he is speculating just like all of us

ny06
02-06-2013, 01:29 PM
Yeah I'm one of them who's pissed. If this is true we are not only losing a solid player but a leader. I have faith that David Wilson can step up and be the #1 back, but I'm weary of resigning Andre Brown. He looked solid this season before the injury, but in his short NFL career he's had two major injuries to his legs.

I understand this is about the cap and his injury history though...

DIPSET_ALL_DAY
02-06-2013, 01:41 PM
We don't need him. I honestly would have rather had Jacobs on our team last year than Bradshaw.

B-Red22
02-06-2013, 01:46 PM
We don't need him. I honestly would have rather had Jacobs on our team last year than Bradshaw.
Haha thats funny, ya lets trade a 1000+ rusher for a cry baby who did nothing last year

TheEnigma
02-06-2013, 01:48 PM
Hope this source is wrong. I find it hard to trust Brown with his injury history. Don't we actually lose $750k in cap space by cutting him instead of gaining room?

Cool Papa B.
02-06-2013, 01:50 PM
I don't believe it. As limited as he's been with injuries, he has been a rock in the backfield. Plus I'm not quite ready to give the majority of the carries to Brown and Wilson. Brown is good, b ut injury prone and Wilson might not be ready for all of that responsibility yet.

ryan12
02-06-2013, 01:51 PM
Hope this source is wrong. I find it hard to trust Brown with his injury history. Don't we actually lose $750k in cap space by cutting him instead of gaining room?

according to slip

Bradshaw
keeping this season = $5 mil
keeping next season = $5.25 mil
releasing before this season = savings of 1.25 (no cap hit after 2013, so would save full 5.25 in 2014)
releasing after next season = savings of 4 mil
dead space releasing before this season = 2.5 mil
dead space releasing after next season = 1.25

Eli TO Shockey
02-06-2013, 01:54 PM
Giants 101

In case you missed this earlier... We've now heard from three sources close to Bradshaw that he is likely to be released by the Giants.

http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/06/new-york-giants-to-release-running-back-ahmad-bradshaw/

Giants 101

To clarify a little bit on the Ahmad Bradshaw news, there's a chance the Giants re-sign him (pending his release) at a lower price, similar to what they attempted to do with Brandon Jacobs a year ago. So don't shut the door on him being with the Giants in 2013.

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 01:54 PM
Hope this isn't true.

Eli TO Shockey
02-06-2013, 01:55 PM
Sad day indeed if this is so. One of my favorite Giants.

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 01:55 PM
Giants 101http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/06/new-york-giants-to-release-running-back-ahmad-bradshaw/Giants 101Maybe he would be willing to do so. Who is really going to pay him big with is history of injury. He should stay with the Giants.

egyptian420
02-06-2013, 02:00 PM
I'm not sure if I'm going to believe this just yet. I won't bid my farewell until I see a beat writer confirm this, but the move wouldn't surprise me.

Eli TO Shockey
02-06-2013, 02:01 PM
Maybe he would be willing to do so. Who is really going to pay him big with is history of injury. He should stay with the Giants.

I'd love him back in blue. true heart and soul of the offense.

Cloud57
02-06-2013, 02:02 PM
I don't care if he stays as long as he's not the starter

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 02:03 PM
I'd love him back in blue. true heart and soul of the offense.He is also the only trusted blocking RB they currently have.

PBTimmons
02-06-2013, 02:05 PM
I like bradshaw but there are a lot of cheaper backs we on the roster and in this league that could come in and put up 1000 yards on 200+ carries. It's a product of the offense as a whole.

I'm not refuting anyone's argument in this thread, but merely stating a point that might be overlooked a bit. He is a fiery TEAM guy, but that's about it.

titwio
02-06-2013, 02:05 PM
Giants 101 To clarify a little bit on the Ahmad Bradshaw news, there's a chance the Giants re-sign him (pending his release) at a lower price, similar to what they attempted to do with Brandon Jacobs a year ago. So don't shut the door on him being with the Giants in 2013.

This would be the best case scenario.

Cloud57
02-06-2013, 02:06 PM
I like bradshaw but there are a lot of cheaper backs we on the roster and in this league that could come in and put up 1000 yards on 200+ carries. It's a product of the offense as a whole.

I'm not refuting anyone's argument in this thread, but merely stating a point that might be overlooked a bit. He is a fiery TEAM guy, but that's about it.+1

Tommy_Ribs
02-06-2013, 02:07 PM
I hope this is incorrect. He and Wilson and Brown are a great stable of RBs.

Coughlin loves his toughness, and despite his feet getting banged up, I still think he has something left in the tank.

Eli TO Shockey
02-06-2013, 02:07 PM
I like bradshaw but there are a lot of cheaper backs we on the roster and in this league that could come in and put up 1000 yards on 200+ carries. It's a product of the offense as a whole.

I'm not refuting anyone's argument in this thread, but merely stating a point that might be overlooked a bit. He is a fiery TEAM guy, but that's about it.

Stats can be replaced. but the heart and desire he brought to this team is what made him special

TCHOF
02-06-2013, 02:12 PM
We don't need him. I honestly would have rather had Jacobs on our team last year than Bradshaw.

What a ridiculous statement.

Kruunch
02-06-2013, 02:14 PM
I liked what Bradshaw gave us but his body (and skill) has been declining steadily. Given his injury history, our depth at RB and our cap situation, this was kind of a no-brainer.

B-Red22
02-06-2013, 02:15 PM
Stats can be replaced. but the heart and desire he brought to this team is what made him special

This right here u nailed it sir, there r certain things he brings that r not replaceable

B-Red22
02-06-2013, 02:15 PM
What a ridiculous statement.
+1

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 02:16 PM
I hope this is incorrect. He and Wilson and Brown are a great stable of RBs.Coughlin loves his toughness, and despite his feet getting banged up, I still think he has something left in the tank.With more playing time under his belt Wilson will take some carries away from him and it will help his feet out. The guy is as tough as nails and leads by example. Hope he is on the team this year.

gmen0820
02-06-2013, 02:18 PM
He is also the only trusted blocking RB they currently have.He was pretty poor at it in various moments last year. Granted, he was hurt, but he's always​ hurt.

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 02:18 PM
Lol. He averaged 4.6 yards per carry and people want him run out of town because he is on a decline?

Morehead State
02-06-2013, 02:19 PM
Haha thats funny, ya lets trade a 1000+ rusher for a cry baby who did nothing last year
Who's the crybaby in your scenario?
Because it sure as hell can't be Wilson. He's about as solid a citizen as there is in the NFL. A real high character guy.

BlueReign
02-06-2013, 02:20 PM
Thanks for your time Ahmad!

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 02:20 PM
He was pretty poor at it in various moments last year. Granted, he was hurt, but he's always​ hurt.At the end of the season when his knee was an issue he struggled a bit. Seems like he couldn't plant well with bad feet and a bad knee. He still was better than anyone else they had.

TheEnigma
02-06-2013, 02:21 PM
Who's the crybaby in your scenario?
Because it sure as hell can't be Wilson. He's about as solid a citizen as there is in the NFL. A real high character guy.

He's talking about Jacobs because the guy he quoted said he would rather have Jacobs over Bradshaw. Let's not forget how much we (as in the MB) hated Jacobs because he was the tip toe burglar lol.

B-Red22
02-06-2013, 02:28 PM
Who's the crybaby in your scenario?
Because it sure as hell can't be Wilson. He's about as solid a citizen as there is in the NFL. A real high character guy.

That would be Jacobs... u know since the guys said he wanted jacobs over Bradshaw.
U follow yet or have u just not read the first page of the thread?

Kruunch
02-06-2013, 02:29 PM
Lol. He averaged 4.6 yards per carry and people want him run out of town because he is on a decline?

Less for his production than his uptime and cap number.

dezzzR
02-06-2013, 02:30 PM
He was a great Giant that played with fire. Ill never forget the 07 NFC championship game against the Packers, paint chips flying off his helmet after contact, refusing to go down. You will be missed Ahmad.

Brown and Wilson are going to tear it up next year.

Morehead State
02-06-2013, 02:32 PM
That would be Jacobs... u know since the guys said he wanted jacobs over Bradshaw.
U follow yet or have u just not read the first page of the thread?
Sorry.

BTW...I friggin LOVE Jacobs. Our O misses his attitude and energy.
The guy was a GREAT Giant.

Kruunch
02-06-2013, 02:38 PM
Sorry.

BTW...I friggin LOVE Jacobs. Our O misses his attitude and energy.
The guy was a GREAT Giant.

I hear he's available.

Delicreep
02-06-2013, 02:42 PM
Now I usually don't play this role, but...

It occurs to me that Bradshaw may well be a Giant next year*.

Guys got to have very limited value due to recurring and game missing injuries. Heck, he had surgery this week.

Would not shock me if there was no interest in signing the guy and his only suitor was the Giants.

If that's not possible, then I would guess he has played his last game in the NFL.




*the best part was that I Lugled if this was even possible, and got nothing but fantasy football and Madden results

Broadway Blue
02-06-2013, 02:46 PM
Wow I am a bit surprise

titwio
02-06-2013, 02:47 PM
Wow I am a bit surprise

It's not official.

EliDaMANning
02-06-2013, 02:57 PM
I certainly hope so. Fire and passion doesn't translate into success. Execution and pass blocking does. Which he was very poor at last year. Hopefully he can find another team where he can hit the back of his o linemen jerseys regularly.

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 03:01 PM
If this does happen I'm going to be pissed. This guy does everything the team asks him to do, plays with 2 broken feet and still gains 1000 yards. Don't get me wrong I really like Wilson, but I don't think he is ready just yet

B-Red22
02-06-2013, 03:09 PM
I certainly hope so. Fire and passion doesn't translate into success. Execution and pass blocking does. Which he was very poor at last year. Hopefully he can find another team where he can hit the back of his o linemen jerseys regularly.

Best pass blocking back we have and rushed for over 1000 yards, hows that for poor execution?

Imgrate
02-06-2013, 03:15 PM
Middle of the pack rbs that arent gamebreakers are not worth 5mill a year. He needs to be cut, terrible value.

DIPSET_ALL_DAY
02-06-2013, 03:26 PM
What a ridiculous statement.

No it's not. He has been on the decline and when his back ups came in, they produced. We have a first round pick that has a better upside. Jacobs would tire out offensive line man and like Bradshaw, would run into the tackles but at least punished them. Bradshaw is injury prone and we have Andre Brown an d Wilson. We don't need three backs, especially if one is older and on the decline. We can easily pick up a replacement in the draft or for cheap in the free agency.

byron
02-06-2013, 03:26 PM
This may have everthing to do with him feet....they just put in bigger screws because the first ones failed and or ripped out " as I understand it could be wrong"...we are talking small bones here "can't be much left to work with" this may well be as much for his own good as anything else....

Drez
02-06-2013, 03:29 PM
No it's not. He has been on the decline and when his back ups came in, they produced. We have a first round pick that has a better upside. Jacobs would tire out offensive line man and like Bradshaw, would run into the tackles but at least punished them. Bradshaw is injury prone and we have Andre Brown an d Wilson. We don't need three backs, especially if one is older and on the decline. We can easily pick up a replacement in the draft or for cheap in the free agency.And Jacobs ​wasn't?

ozzie0075
02-06-2013, 03:31 PM
ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk
Giants release Ahmad Bradshaw, per source with knowledge of transaction.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 03:32 PM
They save at least 2.75 mil with this move.

TheShouldersOf
02-06-2013, 03:32 PM
Haha thats funny, ya lets trade a 1000+ rusher for a cry baby who did nothing last year

to be fair, 1000 yards isn't as glamorous as maybe once was, one needs to average about 66 yards a game to gain 1000 yards, i'm not downplaying that accomplishment, his numbers were inconsistent at times, from the 200 yard game in Cleveland in which they clearly overplayed him towards the end to the Eagles game where he had 39 yards, he only had 3 games over 100 yards, and 2 over 70 ( both 78 yards)

ozzie0075
02-06-2013, 03:32 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Confirming Bradshaw has been cut. Was summoned to the building today.

Drez
02-06-2013, 03:34 PM
Funny thing is I literally had just tweeted MG, RV, PT, and Ohm to ask if there was any traction on the rumor when they all tweeted he was cut.

ozzie0075
02-06-2013, 03:34 PM
Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas
Confirmed Bradshaw has been released, as Pro Football Talk first reported. Believe that is $4M in cap savings. #nyg

Makes much more sense now.

TuckandRolle
02-06-2013, 03:34 PM
Fun while it lasted, I wish him well elsewhere. David Wilson, time to shine baby!

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 03:35 PM
Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas
Confirmed Bradshaw has been released, as Pro Football Talk first reported. Believe that is $4M in cap savings. #nyg

Makes much more sense now.

She's wrong though.

ozzie0075
02-06-2013, 03:35 PM
Patricia Traina ‏@Patricia_Traina
Confirmed the Brashaw cut. Also more cuts are on the horizon.

KjGiants23
02-06-2013, 03:35 PM
Adam Schefter reported it too. So long Bradshaw.

ozzie0075
02-06-2013, 03:36 PM
She's wrong though.

Yeah I see that now at 2.75M it still makes sense.

ryan12
02-06-2013, 03:36 PM
It's not official.

it is now

ozzie0075
02-06-2013, 03:36 PM
Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas
Giants have also released Chris Canty. #nyg

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN
The Giants have also cut DT Chris Canty, per an NFL source. #NYG

Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer
Giants also release Chris Canty. He was due $6.25M in salary and a $250K workout bonus in 2013.

Drez
02-06-2013, 03:37 PM
According to Jenny Vrentas, Canty's been cut: Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas (https://twitter.com/JennyVrentas)Giants have also released Chris Canty. # (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nyg&src=hash)nyg

(https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nyg&src=hash)This one surprises me, as we don't have any depth at DT.

KjGiants23
02-06-2013, 03:37 PM
Oh well. Time to move on. Hopefully everything will fall into place eventually.

njersey
02-06-2013, 03:38 PM
Jenny Vrentas ‏@JennyVrentas
Giants have also released Chris Canty. #nyg

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN
The Giants have also cut DT Chris Canty, per an NFL source. #NYG


WOW. I was not expecting that. thanks

C1010
02-06-2013, 03:38 PM
Tough to see him go considering how much he put his body on the line for us.

Kruunch
02-06-2013, 03:38 PM
I had a feeling. Probably either get resigned for less once he clears waivers or we'll be drafting a DT with one of our first two picks.

Redeyejedi
02-06-2013, 03:38 PM
Unbelievable the Giants have nothing at DT not that I dont think he is overpaid but when u have Joseph heading into FA and Austin who has shown nothing what else do u have

Cloud57
02-06-2013, 03:39 PM
Unbelievable the Giants have nothing at DTWe have Austin :D

HakeemDaDream88
02-06-2013, 03:39 PM
Unbelievable the Giants have nothing at DT

any d tackles worth a first round pick? Linval joseph is solid

GiantNYFan8
02-06-2013, 03:41 PM
@RVacchianoNYDN : The Giants have also cut DT Chris Canty, per an NFL source. #NYG

Kruunch
02-06-2013, 03:41 PM
any d tackles worth a first round pick? Linval joseph is solid

Sheldon Richardson if he drops to us. Otherwise probably a second round selection unless they want to try grabbing a 3-4 NT in the first and converting him.

WinterIsComing
02-06-2013, 03:41 PM
Should've given that money to Cofield to being with!

TheShouldersOf
02-06-2013, 03:42 PM
i'm saying Diehl better be next

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 03:42 PM
Giants have saved 4.8 on Canty, 2.75 on Bradshaw, and 3.1 on boley. So far they have freed up 10.6 mil

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 03:42 PM
WFAN just reported that Canty and Bradshaw have been cut

Jahh
02-06-2013, 03:43 PM
Garafolo is still saying they are not done.

So far its been alphabetical. Diehl is next!

blueribbon
02-06-2013, 03:43 PM
Not confirmed yet but sure looks like it. wtf

Kruunch
02-06-2013, 03:43 PM
Giants have saved 4.8 on Canty, 2.75 on Bradshaw, and 3.1 on boley. So far they have freed up 10.6 mil

So we're $1 mil over the cap after the Draft. DD still has yet to be restructured down and don't be surprised if CWeb gets the axe next.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 03:44 PM
So we're $1 mil over the cap after the Draft. DD still has yet to be restructured down and don't be surprised if CWeb gets the axe next.

Terrell Thomas as well.

And mid-late round draft picks probably won't count against the cap. Just the highest 53 paid players do. I figure a couple guys will end up on IR who should be making more than mid-late round rookies

Kruunch
02-06-2013, 03:46 PM
Terrell Thomas as well.

Oh yeah forgot about him... that's another $2 million we save this year.

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 03:47 PM
its confirmed..

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
As I was saying. Still might not be done... RT @JennyVrentas: Giants have also released Chris Canty. #nyg

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 03:48 PM
looks like this team is trying to get younger and fast.

gumby74
02-06-2013, 03:48 PM
Wow. I wasn't expecting this. How much are we saving? This season or next? And yeah, who are we going to have playing in the middle? We better draft well this year.

Carter.525
02-06-2013, 03:49 PM
oh my.. Diehl has to be next.. this is nuts !!

ozzie0075
02-06-2013, 03:49 PM
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN
Bad news comes in threes, right? I've heard there is likely one more cut coming. Not official yet, though. #NYG

gumby74
02-06-2013, 03:49 PM
looks like this team is trying to get younger and fast.

At this rate, I think we're gearing up for one final SB push. We're going to take a step back next year imo, only to be better going forward.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 03:50 PM
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/02/giants_cuts_continue_with_ahma.html

Excerpt: "The Giants' house-cleaning continues. They have released running back Ahmad Bradshaw and defensive tackle Chris Canty, according to two people with knowledge of the moves.

Bradshaw has played seven seasons for the Giants, twice topping 1,000 yards, in 2010 and 2012. He is a Tom Coughlin favorite and a fiery offensive leader, but has been plagued by chronic foot issues, leading to another procedure this offseason to insert a larger screw in his twice-fractured right foot.

Canty has played the past four seasons for the Giants, one of their high-prized free agents back in 2009. Last night at a charity event in New York, he said he had not been approached about a pay cut by the team.

Bradshaw knew this was a possibility, saying on the Giants’ locker clean-out day, “you never know who won’t be back last year, including me.” As of last Saturday, he said he hadn’t heard anything from the team yet but was realistic about his situation.

Bradshaw had two years left on his contract, due $3.75 million in 2013 and $4 million in 2014. His cap numbers were above $6 million each year.

“I can’t say it’s a concern, but it’s always that chance of me not being there next year,” Bradshaw said. “With David (Wilson) there, Andre (Brown), they may have what they’re looking for with them, and may be light on cash. … I hope to be a Giant no matter what, but you never know what happens. It’s all business.” Read more...

Cloud57
02-06-2013, 03:50 PM
oh my.. Diehl has to be next.. this is nuts !!what's the deal on Diehl?

ozzie0075
02-06-2013, 03:50 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Chris Canty was not offered a pay cut before he was cut.

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 03:50 PM
Diehl or Webby are gonna be next

TheShouldersOf
02-06-2013, 03:50 PM
looks like this team is trying to get younger and fast.

i am happy about that

Jahh
02-06-2013, 03:50 PM
Ralph V saying one more cut coming

gumby74
02-06-2013, 03:52 PM
I'm guessing Webster. We have more then enough depth in the secondary.

rebelfan1966
02-06-2013, 03:52 PM
Bummer..... The guy had the biggest heart on the team in my opinion.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 03:52 PM
We have Austin :D

And Kuhn, Tuck, Tracy, Ojomo, JPP, & Kiwanuka

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 03:53 PM
what's the deal on Diehl?

They probably have to see if they can sign Beatty and Boothe before releasing Diehl

rebelfan1966
02-06-2013, 03:54 PM
Wow...Just wow. I thought Canty was a pretty good player.

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 03:54 PM
I'm guessing Webster. We have more then enough depth in the secondary.

we do? lol we have no corners. But I'm sure we could pick a decent one up with the money we save by cutting Webster

BuffyBlueII
02-06-2013, 03:54 PM
Should've given that money to Cofield to being with!

+1

CowboysSuck
02-06-2013, 03:54 PM
Holy **** this is a bold move!!!

I like it though. Free up some cap space. Canty and Bradshaw were both declining.

However, I am now officially worried about our interior D-line.

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 03:56 PM
Bummer..... The guy had the biggest heart on the team in my opinion.

+1

TheEnigma
02-06-2013, 03:56 PM
Smells like room for Beatty contract in my opinion. Just me speculating of course.

gumby74
02-06-2013, 03:57 PM
I'm guessing Webster. We have more then enough depth in the secondary.


we do? lol we have no corners. But I'm sure we could pick a decent one up with the money we save by cutting Webster

Dunno. At some point you gotta rely on your draft picks. Prince showed enough last year, and maybe they'll throw Hosely into the fire and hope he performs well. At safety, I think we're pretty good. I'm worried more about the dline then anything.

nhpgiantsfan
02-06-2013, 03:57 PM
AB was one tough SOB. Loved his heart. He will be missed.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 03:57 PM
Wow...Just wow. I thought Canty was a pretty good player.

He was and dropped off some due to injuries. I don't look at these as all as "dead wood" but more inclined to say they have to stop the restructuring that continues to get us into CAP hell season after season. There is only one way to do that and that's release players, even when, in the short term, you will have dead money, in the long term you have a clearer path to sign your important free agents than they have in the recent past.

WiIdcat
02-06-2013, 03:58 PM
Thank God. Wilson time.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 03:58 PM
I'm guessing Webster. We have more then enough depth in the secondary.

Nahh, if there is only one more cut coming it will be either Diehl or T2.

TheBookOfEli
02-06-2013, 03:59 PM
Thank you Bradshaw for all you've done for us. I'll never forget your big TD run against Buffalo in the snow to secure our playoff birth in 2007, your heads up play on forcing the fumble out of bounds in Superbowl XLII, the fire and emotion you showed against San Francisco, your 200 yard game against Cleveland and of course your butt down in the endzone to secure our second Superbowl in 4 years.

Thank You Ahmad Bradshaw, once a Giant always a GIANT!!!

BuffyBlueII
02-06-2013, 04:00 PM
I would think that Double D is next to be cut. Hopefully our OC is fired next. Well, we can only hope.

Maybe JR is freeing up money to try and make a play for Revis Island although I think that is unlikely. I expect more people being released and it will probably seem odd but the two guys we need to have faith in is JR and Coach Coughlin.

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 04:00 PM
T2 is a given...no way they keep his current contract

titwio
02-06-2013, 04:00 PM
it is now

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/throwing-phone2.gif

Drez
02-06-2013, 04:02 PM
Unbelievable the Giants have nothing at DT not that I dont think he is overpaid but when u have Joseph heading into FA and Austin who has shown nothing what else do u haveAgreed. I understand that we need to create cap room, but we should try and do it without creating holes, though.

rebelfan1966
02-06-2013, 04:02 PM
He was and dropped off some due to injuries. I don't look at these as all as "dead wood" but more inclined to say they have to stop the restructuring that continues to get us into CAP hell season after season. There is only one way to do that and that's release players, even when, in the short term, you will have dead money, in the long term you have a clearer path to sign your important free agents than they have in the recent past.

That makes sense....

Shimmy
02-06-2013, 04:02 PM
Not that surprised by the cut. I can't tell you how many times I remember reading on twitter that he would be on the sidelines during practices. Too many ailing foot problems.

Buddy333
02-06-2013, 04:03 PM
Hope the can sign him back.

CowboysSuck
02-06-2013, 04:05 PM
I trust Reese and co. They know a thing or two about football, lets be honest.

Canty was declinging, AB and Boley too. We have young guys at those positions.

We also have 9...NINE draft picks.

This is all good news. Not hanging on to yesterdays garbage. Great move

DownWitJPP
02-06-2013, 04:06 PM
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Giants about to announce their cuts. We'll see if anybody other than Bradshaw and Canty are in there.

Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo
Nope, just Bradshaw and Canty.

looks like thats it for now

Drez
02-06-2013, 04:08 PM
Who's the crybaby in your scenario?
Because it sure as hell can't be Wilson. He's about as solid a citizen as there is in the NFL. A real high character guy.Jacobs.

ryan12
02-06-2013, 04:09 PM
bye bye diehl and webby

Drez
02-06-2013, 04:11 PM
And Kuhn, Tuck, Tracy, Ojomo, JPP, & KiwanukaTuck, Tracy, Ojomo, JPP, and Kiwi are not DT's, though. At DT, we now have LJ, Kuhn, and Austin. We waived a PSer, DT Martin Parker.

CowboysSuck
02-06-2013, 04:11 PM
bye bye diehl and webby

Don't fool yourself. Webster is NOT getting cut.

He is our only veteran presence at CB and has been a solid player for better than half a decade.

He never get injured. Hes a great player to have on your team. One bad year isnt getting him cut. Lol

BlueReign
02-06-2013, 04:14 PM
Sad to see Bradshaw go. He was the fire of this offense and toughed it out all the time. A true Giant. Wish him nothing but the best.

Drez
02-06-2013, 04:17 PM
Don't fool yourself. Webster is NOT getting cut.

He is our only veteran presence at CB and has been a solid player for better than half a decade.

He never get injured. Hes a great player to have on your team. One bad year isnt getting him cut. LolIf the Giants think they can get a CB in FA for $5m/yr, he may be gone.

Jahh
02-06-2013, 04:18 PM
Don't fool yourself. Webster is NOT getting cut.

He is our only veteran presence at CB and has been a solid player for better than half a decade.

He never get injured. Hes a great player to have on your team. One bad year isnt getting him cut. Lol
A bad year won't get you cut but a huge base salary might

gumby74
02-06-2013, 04:18 PM
I would think that Double D is next to be cut. Hopefully our OC is fired next. Well, we can only hope.

Maybe JR is freeing up money to try and make a play for Revis Island although I think that is unlikely. I expect more people being released and it will probably seem odd but the two guys we need to have faith in is JR and Coach Coughlin.

I would flip my lid if we got Revis. If anything I think Reese is saving money to re-sign 2 of our players that would require good money. Nicks or Cruz is an obvious one. The other person? I don't know. Beatty? Joseph next year?

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 04:19 PM
If the Giants think they can get a CB in FA for $5m/yr, he may be gone.

Considering the fact that Hosley was playing better than Toaster by the end of the season, I think he gets cut. Unless his piss poor 2012 season was entirely due to injury and not decline...

titwio
02-06-2013, 04:21 PM
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyyai6GJq21qa3nkxo1_500.gif
http://uppix.net/e/7/5/f83e5a4857879db0d389f5ad4edd7.gif
http://px9.funformobile.com/d/169/61/1fjdcjav7c/scottbradsh.gif

RESPECT THIS MAN!

gumby74
02-06-2013, 04:21 PM
I'm guessing Webster. We have more then enough depth in the secondary.


Nahh, if there is only one more cut coming it will be either Diehl or T2.

Isn't Webster's contract up next year anyway? It wouldn't make sense to cut him now unless we need to splurge this year.

Drez
02-06-2013, 04:23 PM
I would flip my lid if we got Revis. If anything I think Reese is saving money to re-sign 2 of our players that would require good money. Nicks or Cruz is an obvious one. The other person? I don't know. Beatty? Joseph next year?JPP?

BlueReign
02-06-2013, 04:23 PM
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyyai6GJq21qa3nkxo1_500.gif
http://uppix.net/e/7/5/f83e5a4857879db0d389f5ad4edd7.gif
http://px9.funformobile.com/d/169/61/1fjdcjav7c/scottbradsh.gif

RESPECT THIS MAN!
Don't forget that Buffalo run! haha

Drez
02-06-2013, 04:23 PM
Considering the fact that Hosley was playing better than Toaster by the end of the season, I think he gets cut. Unless his piss poor 2012 season was entirely due to injury and not decline...Hosley was not playing better than Webster.

Giantz4Life
02-06-2013, 04:44 PM
Don't forget that Buffalo run! haha

One of my favorite AB memories:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5xIMlDA_4g

Flip Empty
02-06-2013, 04:44 PM
Oh wow, this is scary. I hope they bring Bradshaw back at a lower rate.

joemorrisforprez
02-06-2013, 04:45 PM
Reese is making sure the coaching staff doesn't have another excuse to mothball Wilson.

All the best to Bradshaw.....a great Giant.

Same goes for Canty.....he was a class act.

bigblue999
02-06-2013, 04:46 PM
Two obvious guys that have no place on the Giants next season are David Diehl and Osi. If either of them are back it will be an outcry.

Why couldn't they restructure Bradshaw and allow him to heal up while starting Wilson and Brown. Bradshaw will be missed and I don't have a great feeling about it, but have confidence in the other two.

Of course it all really doesn't matter because Killdrive is still here...expect the lame "Run it down the middle of the defense and hope we make third and long" play calling all year.

What will it take to get rid of Killdrive?!?!?!?!?!?!

Cloud57
02-06-2013, 04:48 PM
Killdrive isn't going anywhere. other players may get cut later on

JPP=BEASTMODE
02-06-2013, 04:48 PM
No!!Diehl is the heart and soul of our offensive line.

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-06-2013, 04:49 PM
Two obvious guys that have no place on the Giants next season are David Diehl and Osi. If either of them are back it will be an outcry.

Why couldn't they restructure Bradshaw and allow him to heal up while starting Wilson and Brown. Bradshaw will be missed and I don't have a great feeling about it, but have confidence in the other two.

Of course it all really doesn't matter because Killdrive is still here...expect the lame "Run it down the middle of the defense and hope we make third and long" play calling all year.

What will it take to get rid of Killdrive?!?!?!?!?!?!

not worth the investment for an aging and much maligned player.

I Hate T.O.
02-06-2013, 04:49 PM
Reese is making sure the coaching staff doesn't have another excuse to mothball Wilson.

All the best to Bradshaw.....a great Giant.

Same goes for Canty.....he was a class act.

I loved Bradshaw!!..But he is constantly hurt..another surgery and fumbling problems...Ill miss him,but it was time...Canty is a class act...but never impressed me so no loss there...

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 04:49 PM
No!!Diehl is the heart and soul of our offensive line.

Fixed.

giant-4-life
02-06-2013, 04:50 PM
Bradshaw, has lived longer at his position then the league average. he has those corny ankles that made him run strange but his feet were problems

Time for the young studs to step up!

JPP=BEASTMODE
02-06-2013, 04:50 PM
Fixed. Thanks lol

ImElectric2
02-06-2013, 04:51 PM
Fixed.Haha, beat me to it.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 04:51 PM
Osi is not under contract next year.

There will still be more cuts. T2 will be one for sure.

Drez
02-06-2013, 04:51 PM
Osi's contract has already been voided; he was listed as a UFA.

Drez
02-06-2013, 04:52 PM
Oh wow, this is scary. I hope they bring Bradshaw back at a lower rate.Doubt it. Neither he or Canty were asked to take paycuts before being released.

dnotch121
02-06-2013, 04:52 PM
Diehl and Corey will be next. Dont understand why they weren't 1st

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 04:53 PM
Osi is not under contract next year.

There will still be more cuts. T2 will be one for sure.

I'm hoping Diehl and Toaster are too... for the sake of the team, anyways. I like both those guys as people, but their time as players is over.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 04:53 PM
Diehl and Corey will be next. Dont understand why they weren't 1st

alphabetical order?

Boley, Bradshaw, Canty...

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 04:54 PM
I'm hoping Diehl and Toaster are too... for the sake of the team, anyways. I like both those guys as people, but their time as players is over.

I think all these other cuts mean webster is probably safe. But it is his last year under contract...

JPP=BEASTMODE
02-06-2013, 04:55 PM
Without Diehl how will Eli make all those dramatic plays with the d lineman hanging all over him?

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 04:55 PM
Hosley was not playing better than Webster.

Then explain to me why Corey was the one getting passed on all the time. Was all the safety help in the world rolled to Hosley's side? Was it because Anquan Boldin is waaaaaaaay better than Torrey Smith and Jacoby Jones?

I'm not trying to be perjorative, I'm just stating what I saw (namely, #23 getting burned repeatedly), and if there's a legitimate explanation for it, I'd accept it...

Flip Empty
02-06-2013, 04:55 PM
Doubt it. Neither he or Canty were asked to take paycuts before being released.
I feel bad for Bradshaw, he's just had a massive screwstuck in his foot so he can come back. Gonna miss him.

JB456
02-06-2013, 04:55 PM
Hosley was not playing better than Webster.

I watched everygame this year and it really looked like Hosley played better than Webster. In fact, Webster's play this year was making me have flashbacks of CC Brown. It seemed like 90% of the teams we were playing against were intentionally picking on Webster.

I don't know what the stats say, you mind posting them to back up what you are saying because Webster played like garbage this year, if Hosley played worse, you are calling him raw sewage.

rxc999
02-06-2013, 05:00 PM
Feel bad for him, he was a great leader..hope they bring him back at lesser money...unless someone else scoops him up..i hope not

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 05:01 PM
Tuck, Tracy, Ojomo, JPP, and Kiwi are not DT's, though. At DT, we now have LJ, Kuhn, and Austin. We waived a PSer, DT Martin Parker.

They have all played DT at times here.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 05:02 PM
Reese is making sure the coaching staff doesn't have another excuse to mothball Wilson.

All the best to Bradshaw.....a great Giant.

Same goes for Canty.....he was a class act.

Let it go

egyptian420
02-06-2013, 05:06 PM
Good bye Ahmad Bradshaw....Thank you for all of your great contributions, one of the best Giants of all time, you will be missed.

bigblue999
02-06-2013, 05:07 PM
Without Diehl how will Eli make all those dramatic plays with the d lineman hanging all over him?

Simply by putting any other tackle in there....anyone off the street will suffice.

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:08 PM
Simply by putting any other tackle in there....anyone off the street will suffice.

We don't need to go to the street... we've got 3 guys that couldn't even beat out a guy as bad as Diehl was last year: Brewer, McCants, and Mosley. Though that last one was injured so who knows we might actually have something there...

TCHOF
02-06-2013, 05:09 PM
Diehl is probably the next cut.

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:12 PM
They have all played DT at times here.

So, basically... hello Nascar base defense?

BlueBlooded1979
02-06-2013, 05:12 PM
Diehl is done here. Not sure why he is still with the team unless they hanging on to him until they resign Beatty.

Wesbter isn't a 6m yr CB anymore but if he is willing to take a pay cut to 2.5m then he is worth keeping. The concept that he can't play is the result of watching highlights instead of coaches tape. For a guy that isn't that fast he rarely out of position.

myles2424
02-06-2013, 05:13 PM
Safe to say DE/LB/DT/Late round RB going into the draft....Not much has changed...

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 05:14 PM
So, basically... hello Nascar base defense?

Why not? Kiwanuka, Tuck, JPP, Tracy, Ojomo, Kuhn, Austin, Bernard (no in any order)

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:16 PM
Why not? Kiwanuka, Tuck, JPP, Tracy, Ojomo, Kuhn, Austin, Bernard (no in any order)

Well, the reason why not is because our division has Chip Kelly and RG3. And our vaunted pass rush disappeared vs the cowboys with a replacement O-line... If we could rotate guys effectively, we could definitely work it vs the Cowboys, but we would be guaranteed 4 losses every year without some way to stuff up the middle runs...

joemorrisforprez
02-06-2013, 05:19 PM
Let it go

Reese just did.

TroyArcher
02-06-2013, 05:29 PM
I understand the Giants thinking - cap room, bad feet, hot head at times but he gave 110% every time he was on the field and played hurt. He did play a big part in 2 Giants SB victories.

G-Men Surg.
02-06-2013, 05:33 PM
Agree.
The giants are going to miss a lot of his toughness and leadership.

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 05:33 PM
I hate to see him go too, but the way his feet are, it was time. Still will miss him...

Drez
02-06-2013, 05:35 PM
We don't need to go to the street... we've got 3 guys that couldn't even beat out a guy as bad as Diehl was last year: Brewer, McCants, and Mosley. Though that last one was injured so who knows we might actually have something there...Mosley was on IR, McCants was a 6th rounder on the PS. Brewer was expected to take a couple of seasons to get ready before pushing for a starting spot.

rtr1105
02-06-2013, 05:37 PM
Well I'm going to miss Bradshaw, but I think it was time. He had six solid years with us and brought heart and passion to this team. Watching him along with Jacobs with Ward in the early years as part of Earth, Wind, and Fire were some of the more exciting games that I've watched. He was good in a pass protection and he was a very strong runner. But I think Wilson and Brown make a nice tandem going forward. Thanks for the two Super Bowls, Ahmad. I'm rooting for you wherever you wind up.

I will miss Canty as well. He was very athletic for a DT and helped out our defense a lot. He started declining this year but was very solid before that. Thanks to you too Canty, for the Super Bowl in 2011.

Drez
02-06-2013, 05:41 PM
They have all played DT at times here.Yes, they have all played situational DT, usually in a pass rushing situation. None of them are full time DTs.

nycisgreat
02-06-2013, 05:43 PM
I like Bradshaw and Canty, but both guys aren't worth their contracts. These moves don't surprise me one bit.

jomo
02-06-2013, 05:45 PM
I like what is going on. We didn't get good value from many of our contracts this year. We can find better players for less money in some of those cases.

titwio
02-06-2013, 05:45 PM
Chris Canty's final words: "I would love the opportunity to compete against the Giants."

myles2424
02-06-2013, 05:46 PM
Chris Canty's final words: "I would love the opportunity to compete against the Giants."
really?

jomo
02-06-2013, 05:47 PM
Chris Canty's final words: "I would love the opportunity to compete against the Giants."He brings no ferocity to the table IMO. We lost an entire year at the front of his contract due to a mysterious leg injury. He's an OK player but has been a terrible value for us given the money vs. his production. I would love for us to see him on the other side of the line from us..........if he actually suit up.

nhpgiantsfan
02-06-2013, 05:47 PM
alphabetical order?

Boley, Bradshaw, Canty...

Do you really think they are purposely going in alphabetical order or maybe just a coincidence with the first three. Maybe they are going from the newest guy to the most senior guy.

titwio
02-06-2013, 05:48 PM
really?

Yeah...got it from https://www.facebook.com/giants101

H (https://www.facebook.com/giants101)e also says: "I was a little bit disappointed in what took place, but it's a business. ... I didn't see it coming."

jomo
02-06-2013, 05:49 PM
His Giants legacy is secure.

joemorrisforprez
02-06-2013, 05:49 PM
He brings no ferocity to the table IMO. We lost an entire year at the front of his contract due to a mysterious leg injury. He's an OK player but has been a terrible value for us given the money vs. his production. I would love for us to see him on the other side of the line from us..........if he actually suit up.

Time to get younger, and healthier.....that defensive line was absolutely invisible last season.

JPP and Kiwi are among the few guys that would really surprise me if cut. I think Tuck gets another season, but Reese is turning the page, as he should, on the 2007-2011 team.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 05:50 PM
Do you really think they are purposely going in alphabetical order or maybe just a coincidence with the first three. Maybe they are going from the newest guy to the most senior guy.

bradshaw has been here longer than canty...

Morehead State
02-06-2013, 05:50 PM
Jeez.....
Black Wednesday.

titwio
02-06-2013, 05:50 PM
I would love for us to see him on the other side of the line from us..........if he actually suit up.

He was the same with the Cowboys when he left there...I just see it as something he uses to motivate himself.

nycisgreat
02-06-2013, 05:51 PM
I think all these other cuts mean webster is probably safe. But it is his last year under contract...

Wow, you really think so? I am sure about this one. CW is owed a whole lot more than he is worth for next season.

Drez
02-06-2013, 05:54 PM
bradshaw has been here longer than canty...And Bradshaw's release means that only DeOssie remains from the fabled 2007 draft class.

blueribbon
02-06-2013, 05:55 PM
The flag should be at half mask today at Met Life Stadium. A dark day indeed.

Drez
02-06-2013, 05:56 PM
Wow, you really think so? I am sure about this one. CW is owed a whole lot more than he is worth for next season.The FO may just believe that he had a down year and will bounce back next season. He was in position on a lot of plays he gave up, he just failed to track the ball/react in time to make a play on it. A lot of his burns were due to a safety blowing coverage over the top.

Jorge Boada
02-06-2013, 06:14 PM
HE INJURED HIS ENTIRE BODY BECAUSE HE HAS FOUGHT IN EVERY DOWN, IN EVERY PLAY AND GAVE HIS SOUL DURING THIS 6 YEARS WITH BIG BLUE... HE'S NOT HEALTHY, HE'S OUT... THANK YOU 44!!!

miked1958
02-06-2013, 06:29 PM
Time to get younger, and healthier.....that defensive line was absolutely invisible last season.JPP and Kiwi are among the few guys that would really surprise me if cut. I think Tuck gets another season, but Reese is turning the page, as he should, on the 2007-2011 team.there is no way they cut JPP or kiwi.. These are the type players they need. Quick. Maybe they use kiwi the way he was meant to so it this yr. JPP had a down season. But lots of players do in second season. Still think he will be a franchise player for giants D for years to come

miked1958
02-06-2013, 06:30 PM
Also Kuhn looked great prior to getting hurt

blueomaha
02-06-2013, 06:32 PM
i would hate to see Bradshaw in a cowballs uniform....

ShakeandBake
02-06-2013, 06:32 PM
This is bull****, Bradshaw should not have been let go. There are so many other guys that should have been taking a walk long before bradshaw

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:32 PM
This is bull****, Bradshaw should not have been let go. There are so many other guys that should have been taking a walk long before bradshaw

He failed his medical.

ShakeandBake
02-06-2013, 06:35 PM
He failed his medical.

Didn't he just get surgery like a week or two ago? We should have at least given him a chance, so many other injury prone guys who do not produce have been given more leeway than he does. I really don't like our backfield as it stands right now.

miked1958
02-06-2013, 06:36 PM
Thanks for helping us to win 2 Super Bowls.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:37 PM
Didn't he just get surgery like a week or two ago? We should have at least given him a chance, so many other injury prone guys who do not produce have been given more leeway than he does. I really don't like our backfield as it stands right now.

He was told the giants are open to possibly resigning him when he is healthy.

I love the combination of Wilson and Brown. Most explosive backfield the giants have had in a very long time.

Diamondring
02-06-2013, 06:38 PM
He did a lot for us.

blueomaha
02-06-2013, 06:39 PM
i guess we're in rebuilding mode....

Diamondring
02-06-2013, 06:40 PM
This is bull****, Bradshaw should not have been let go. There are so many other guys that should have been taking a walk long before bradshawMan, we will have to see down the line to see if you are right.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 06:41 PM
This is bull****, Bradshaw should not have been let go. There are so many other guys that should have been taking a walk long before bradshaw

Two things, they aren't done yet releasing players, Bradshaw may be asked to come back down the road.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 06:42 PM
He was told the giants are open to possibly resigning him when he is healthy.

I love the combination of Wilson and Brown. Most explosive backfield the giants have had in a very long time.

+1

ShakeandBake
02-06-2013, 06:42 PM
He was told the giants are open to possibly resigning him when he is healthy.

I love the combination of Wilson and Brown. Most explosive backfield the giants have had in a very long time.

I'm excited about Wilson, I wouldn't say Brown is explosive but he is an alright bruiser. Brown and Wilson compliment each other more than Wilson and Bradshaw but I think Bradshaw is still a better back than Brown.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 06:44 PM
I'm excited about Wilson, I wouldn't say Brown is explosive but he is an alright bruiser. Brown and Wilson compliment each other more than Wilson and Bradshaw but I think Bradshaw is still a better back than Brown.

Brown ran a 4.37 at the combine... He is unfortunate he got that achilles injury and now a broken leg that have slowed him a bit, but he was much more explosive than Jacobs or Bradshaw when he was 100%

titwio
02-06-2013, 06:46 PM
Brown ran a 4.37 at the combine... He is unfortunate he got that achilles injury and now a broken leg that have slowed him a bit, but he was much more explosive than Jacobs or Bradshaw when he was 100%

Do you mean 4.47?

:Edit I'm pretty sure that 4.37 was unofficial. I remember the combine that year. Just ran a quick check on official times and think he was 4.49.

Here's one link. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/andre-brown?id=71225

ShakeandBake
02-06-2013, 06:50 PM
Brown ran a 4.37 at the combine... He is unfortunate he got that achilles injury and now a broken leg that have slowed him a bit, but he was much more explosive than Jacobs or Bradshaw when he was 100%

Right that was his best time at the combine but he has also been clocked at 4.5 40 which is like Jacobs top speed, plus Bradshaw can change direction faster than Brown plus he is the best blocking RB we had on the team before he was injured.

sskeller
02-06-2013, 06:54 PM
I don't think he'd be gone if he hadn't had yet another offseason foot surgery.

SweetZombieJesus
02-06-2013, 06:56 PM
Here here. Broken feet & ankles with the heart of a lion.

sskeller
02-06-2013, 06:57 PM
Yeah, nothing but love for #44. Just a shame that his injuries continue to haunt him.

giantyankee1976
02-06-2013, 06:58 PM
Here here. Broken feet & ankles with the heart of a lion.

TOUCHDOWN - JUMP 180 - SPIKE

Always a Giant in my eyes !!!

sskeller
02-06-2013, 06:59 PM
Broken feet & ankles with the heart of a lion.

He's like our own Tiny Tim... God bless us everyone!

Toadofsteel
02-06-2013, 06:59 PM
Yeah, nothing but love for #44. Just a shame that his injuries continue to haunt him.

amen...

SweetZombieJesus
02-06-2013, 07:00 PM
Broken feet but the heart of a lion.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 07:04 PM
Do you mean 4.47?

:Edit I'm pretty sure that 4.37 was unofficial. I remember the combine that year. Just ran a quick check on official times and think he was 4.49.

Here's one link. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/andre-brown?id=71225

No such thing as an "official" time. Official times are often further off than the unofficial ones.


Right that was his best time at the combine but he has also been clocked at 4.5 40 which is like Jacobs top speed, plus Bradshaw can change direction faster than Brown plus he is the best blocking RB we had on the team before he was injured.

Bradshaw couldnt change directions, block, or run towards the end of the season. And Bradshaw was never a fast runner to begin with.

titwio
02-06-2013, 07:08 PM
No such thing as an "official" time. Official times are often further off than the unofficial ones.

Are you being serious here??

ShakeandBake
02-06-2013, 07:09 PM
Bradshaw couldnt change directions, block, or run towards the end of the season. And Bradshaw was never a fast runner to begin with.

Of course he couldn't he was playing hurt. If he can get healthy, which is a big if, then I would take him over Brown in a heartbeat.

TheBookOfEli
02-06-2013, 07:10 PM
Canty most likely staying in the division then. I could see him going to Washington and playing as a 3-4 DE like he did in dallas.

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 07:11 PM
Are you being serious here??

Yes. When NFL gives the teams the combine sheets of the recorded numbers, they give them not only the "official" number, but also the unofficial number and 3 other hand timed numbers.

And teams hand time themselves because they trust their scouts hand times more than the "official" number

slipknottin
02-06-2013, 07:12 PM
Of course he couldn't he was playing hurt. If he can get healthy, which is a big if, then I would take him over Brown in a heartbeat.

I wouldnt. His feet are barely working.

And the giants said if he is healthy then they can perhaps bring him back..

titwio
02-06-2013, 07:20 PM
Yes. When NFL gives the teams the combine sheets of the recorded numbers, they give them not only the "official" number, but also the unofficial number and 3 other hand timed numbers.

And teams hand time themselves because they trust their scouts hand times more than the "official" number

Not sure why'd they'd trust the unofficial time more when the NFL Combine uses all the modern technology that hand timers don't offer, such as laser starters and electronic timing.

I don't know...I mean I watched Andre Brown at NC State and you could just tell by watching him run that he wasn't anywhere near a mid 4.3 time.

ShakeandBake
02-06-2013, 07:22 PM
I wouldnt. His feet are barely working.

And the giants said if he is healthy then they can perhaps bring him back..

Yeah exactly, it is a big "if" because of the recurring problem. However, hypothetically speaking if he comes back he is a better option than Brown.

ShakeandBake
02-06-2013, 07:24 PM
Not sure why'd they'd trust the unofficial time more when the NFL Combine uses all the modern technology that hand timers don't offer, such as laser starters and electronic timing.

I don't know...I mean I watched Andre Brown at NC State and you could just tell by watching him run that he wasn't anywhere near a mid 4.3 time.

He doesn't run a 4.3 out there that's for sure, I don't think Brown is terrible but there is nothing that stands out about him except for his size.

jomo
02-06-2013, 07:43 PM
He doesn't run a 4.3 out there that's for sure, I don't think Brown is terrible but there is nothing that stands out about him except for his size.Size does not define a RB unless you are talking about the size of his heart. To improve the running game, improve the OL.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 07:46 PM
Size does not define a RB unless you are talking about the size of his heart. To improve the running game, improve the OL.

I sure hope we take an OT within the first three rounds

jomo
02-06-2013, 07:48 PM
I sure hope we take an OT within the first three roundsCan we take a couple?...............you've heard this from me before lol

appodictic
02-06-2013, 07:51 PM
Lol. He averaged 4.6 yards per carry and people want him run out of town because he is on a decline?

Agreed I think it would have been an awkward transition Herr from 1 to 2 or 3 for him. It's better he gets a fresh start somewhere else.

It is good for him to I think being a 2 losing some weight and getting back to his explosive for will help him anyway. Help him stay healthy 30 carries a game is not for him.

Maybe we end up getting him back branch style.

On the other hand good luck to flip and brown.

The_ One
02-06-2013, 07:53 PM
We don't need him. I honestly would have rather had Jacobs on our team last year than Bradshaw.Drugs are bad for you. Say NO to Drugs.

jomo
02-06-2013, 07:55 PM
Agreed I think it would have been an awkward transition Herr from 1 to 2 or 3 for him. It's better he gets a fresh start somewhere else.

It is good for him to I think being a 2 losing some weight and getting back to his explosive for will help him anyway. Help him stay healthy 30 carries a game is not for him.

Maybe we end up getting him back branch style.

On the other hand good luck to flip and brown.JR has a pretty good track record on deciding when the tank is running dry. Gibril, Smith, Boss etc. Only missed on the dentist, Barry Cofield. Even there we had placed our bet on Canty (bad bet) and had drafted Bernard with Linval a high pick. There was no room for Cofield's salary within the cap.

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 07:57 PM
Can we take a couple?...............you've heard this from me before lol

Better than one. One early, one later

jomo
02-06-2013, 07:59 PM
Better than one. One early, one laterSold to the man with the Wellington avatar!

RoanokeFan
02-06-2013, 08:07 PM
Sold to the man with the Wellington avatar!

It's going to be a very interesting offseason

Carter.525
02-06-2013, 08:11 PM
I'm going to miss yelling at the TV.. Pop It Ahmad..!!

WR4Life
02-06-2013, 08:34 PM
Looks like this may be the birth of Thunder and Lightning pt. 2

ShakeandBake
02-06-2013, 08:40 PM
Size does not define a RB unless you are talking about the size of his heart. To improve the running game, improve the OL.

I've been saying this all year, we have been neglecting the offensive line for way too long outside of overpaying for baas