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TheAnalyst
02-15-2013, 12:24 PM
Ive been saying it for the past couple of years, but now IMO is the time to do so.

#1 - I would like to get someone capable of playing behind Eli if God forbid, the injury happens. And the way we are handling our OLine this days, it doesnt seem like a far fetched idea that Eli will be hit hard and often in the next few seasons. It was relivant with Diehl out there and Coughlin still having trust in him. Beatty? Boothe? Locklear? All could be gone. Snee is getting long in the tooth. If we have Carr behind Eli I really think we have 0 chance to win. But if we get a reliable young backup later in the draft we may be able to do something.

#2 - He could learn behind Eli for a few years. Like Rodgers did with Favre, like a bunch of QBs do behind a Superbowl MVP QB. Pick Eli's head. Learn from the best. Then in a few years, when Eli is in his mid-late 30s and most likely slowing down, we have a future QB ready to roll.

#3 -Trade bait. I see so many teams draft a QB 3rd round or later and wind up dealin them for a ridiculous trade package due to some teams not having any idea what a true franchise QB is. Matt Cassell to the Chiefs, Kevin Kolb to the Cards, Matt Flynn to the Seahawks, and now hearing Foles will most likely get traded and bring in some good value.

Here is a list of some examples:

Landry Jones (3-4th), Jordan Rodgers (6-7th), Colin Klien (7th-UDFA)

Rodgers seems like the best pick for us, keeping our "younger brother" thing going (Manning, Moss, Barber)

Toadofsteel
02-15-2013, 12:33 PM
I think it's too early to do a "QB of the Future" drafting. Maybe in 2 or 3 more years, with a deeper QB class. Also, if the injury happens, all bets are off at that point. I don't have much faith in any backup being able to run our offense long-term. Sure if we had Brees, Brady, or Peyton (or even guys like Ben and Flacco) on our roster, i'd be down, but they're starters for a reason.

Taking Jordan Rodgers in the 6th would be a hilarious pick... but if he was somehow groomed into our future QB, we'd have to deal with the "little brother" crap for yet another era of Giants football. Eli is almost always universally compared to Peyton, whether fairly or not. Even if Jordan is every bit as good as his brother, he would still never be considered to be that level. Eli would have undoubtedly cracked top 5 QB last season had his name been John Doe...

nhpgiantsfan
02-15-2013, 12:33 PM
It's pretty safe to say if Eli went down for any extended period of time that we most likely wouldn't make the playoffs. Would you really have more confidence in a late round drafted rookie QB over Carr. I'm not so sure.

And the only reason the QBs that you mentioned got decent returns on their trades is because they got a chance to show what they can do due to injuries to the starters. If Eli never gets hurt, nobody will give us anything for a late round QB that never saw the field.

It's not a horrible idea, but we have a lot of holes to fill, that you'd have to think long and hard before you use a pick on a player that you have no intention on playing for probably at least 5 years.

Flip Empty
02-15-2013, 12:35 PM
Rhett Bomar 2

TCHOF
02-15-2013, 12:36 PM
You are not going to accomplish #1 with a late round QB for at least a few years, if ever. Is your plan to cut ties with Carr for next season and then have a rookie late-round pick as Eli's only backup? That seems like a very bad idea.

ozzie0075
02-15-2013, 12:39 PM
You are probably just as likely to find a serviceable backup as and UDFA as you would be picking on in the 6th or 7th. That late in the draft is a crap shoot for QBs.

TheEnigma
02-15-2013, 12:41 PM
Really not the year to go for a late round QB unless someone like E.J Manuel or Tyler Bray somehow fell into our laps in the 6-7 round range. All of the attention is on Johnny Football with the future QB classes but I'd rather take a chance on someone like Marcus Mariota from Oregon who is very similar to Kaepernick coming out of college. Better accuracy and QB frame to handle pocket passing than Manziel and he has the ability to get those yards with his feet like the Kaeps or Wilsons. If we spent a 1st rounder on Mariota in 2015, I'd be excited with that selection and he could sit behind Eli for 2-3 years before taking the reigns.

BlueReign
02-15-2013, 12:45 PM
Don't think so, and I don't believe the Rodgers situation is comparable to this draft.

ozzie0075
02-15-2013, 12:45 PM
Really not the year to go for a late round QB unless someone like E.J Manuel or Tyler Bray somehow fell into our laps in the 6-7 round range. All of the attention is on Johnny Football with the future QB classes but I'd rather take a chance on someone like Marcus Mariota from Oregon who is very similar to Kaepernick coming out of college. Better accuracy and QB frame to handle pocket passing than Manziel and he has the ability to get those yards with his feet like the Kaeps or Wilsons. If we spent a 1st rounder on Mariota in 2015, I'd be excited with that selection and he could sit behind Eli for 2-3 years before taking the reigns.

No way the Giants use a first on a QB while Eli is still here.

TheEnigma
02-15-2013, 12:49 PM
No way the Giants use a first on a QB while Eli is still here.

If we're talking about grabbing Eli's replacement before he leaves, wouldn't you rather take a QB with much higher upside than a late round pick with little to offer? I'm sure that's how the Giants would feel in that situation too.

BlueReign
02-15-2013, 12:49 PM
No way the Giants use a first on a QB while Eli is still here.
I believe the Packers have shown that having a blue chip QB prospect waiting in the wings is the best way to transition a franchise from old (successful era) to new era.

slipknottin
02-15-2013, 12:51 PM
Name a starting QB who was drafted later than the 3rd round apart from Brady.

Flip Empty
02-15-2013, 12:56 PM
Name a starting QB who was drafted later than the 3rd round apart from Brady.
Ryan Fitzpatrick was a 7th... Does Romo count? Undrafted.

Toadofsteel
02-15-2013, 12:57 PM
Name a starting QB who was drafted later than the 3rd round apart from Brady.

Russell Wilson, Matt Schaub, Matt Cassel (he did lead the pats to an 11-5 season, otherwise I wouldn't mention him)


Edit: sorry I thought it said 3rd or later, not later than 3rd...

Toadofsteel
02-15-2013, 12:58 PM
I believe the Packers have shown that having a blue chip QB prospect waiting in the wings is the best way to transition a franchise from old (successful era) to new era.

I agree that we should take a QB in the first eventually... but not this year. Wait until about 2-3 years before Eli is set to retire, then pick up a QB...

Buddy333
02-15-2013, 01:24 PM
They have much bigger needs.

slipknottin
02-15-2013, 01:37 PM
Ryan Fitzpatrick was a 7th... Does Romo count? Undrafted.

And Fitzpatrick is now in an open competition against Tavaris Jackson. Lol

The odds of finding a capable QB in the later rounds (really anything after the first) is incredibly remote. I wish I had the number of QBs drafted 3rd round and later in the last lets say 10 or so years. Bet it's 60+ guys. So 2 out of 60... Giants could end up drafting 30 QBs in the later rounds before finding one who is capable of starting. That's a pretty big waste

ShakeandBake
02-15-2013, 01:40 PM
No, pickup "projects" in the late rounds, guys who have talent who are raw or have minor character issues that cause them to drop

Buddy333
02-15-2013, 01:41 PM
This teams goes as Eli goes. If he has another not so good year they are in trouble. If he was unable to play they are in trouble. A let round pick will most likely help nothing unless they drafted the next Tom Brady.

Flip Empty
02-15-2013, 02:07 PM
And Fitzpatrick is now in an open competition against Tavaris Jackson. Lol

The odds of finding a capable QB in the later rounds (really anything after the first) is incredibly remote. I wish I had the number of QBs drafted 3rd round and later in the last lets say 10 or so years. Bet it's 60+ guys. So 2 out of 60... Giants could end up drafting 30 QBs in the later rounds before finding one who is capable of starting. That's a pretty big waste
Hah yeah, I laughed when I saw that.

Yeah it's a who's who of nothing down there. I'd rather they didn't bother.

I'll look up the numbers.

hadenough
02-15-2013, 02:14 PM
Ive been saying it for the past couple of years, but now IMO is the time to do so.

#1 - I would like to get someone capable of playing behind Eli if God forbid, the injury happens. And the way we are handling our OLine this days, it doesnt seem like a far fetched idea that Eli will be hit hard and often in the next few seasons. It was relivant with Diehl out there and Coughlin still having trust in him. Beatty? Boothe? Locklear? All could be gone. Snee is getting long in the tooth. If we have Carr behind Eli I really think we have 0 chance to win. But if we get a reliable young backup later in the draft we may be able to do something.

#2 - He could learn behind Eli for a few years. Like Rodgers did with Favre, like a bunch of QBs do behind a Superbowl MVP QB. Pick Eli's head. Learn from the best. Then in a few years, when Eli is in his mid-late 30s and most likely slowing down, we have a future QB ready to roll.

#3 -Trade bait. I see so many teams draft a QB 3rd round or later and wind up dealin them for a ridiculous trade package due to some teams not having any idea what a true franchise QB is. Matt Cassell to the Chiefs, Kevin Kolb to the Cards, Matt Flynn to the Seahawks, and now hearing Foles will most likely get traded and bring in some good value.

Here is a list of some examples:

Landry Jones (3-4th), Jordan Rodgers (6-7th), Colin Klien (7th-UDFA)

Rodgers seems like the best pick for us, keeping our "younger brother" thing going (Manning, Moss, Barber)


Na...no reason to draft one. I think the last couple of years has proven that the QBs coming out of college don't necessarily need a few years to 'adjust' to the NFL anymore. Eli may have another 5 years. Just wait until 4 more years and analyze it then.

myles2424
02-15-2013, 02:21 PM
No....why waste a pick when we need help? Does anyone really think we're going to look for Eli's backup now? & he's goig to be a late pick? I like Tom Brady, but lets be serious..

Carter.525
02-15-2013, 02:25 PM
draft one, no.. maybe bring in a un-drafted guy..

Flip Empty
02-15-2013, 03:08 PM
I wish I had the number of QBs drafted 3rd round and later in the last lets say 10 or so years. Bet it's 60+ guys. So 2 out of 60...
Way off... Over the last ten drafts (2002-2012), there have been 95 quarterbacks drafted in the 3rd round or lower.

List incoming..

2002:

Josh McCown (3)
David Garrard (3)
Rohan Davey (4)
Randy Fasani (5)
Kurt Kittner (5)
Brandon Doman (5)
Craig Nall (5)
J. T. O'Sullivan (6)
Steve Bellisari (6)
Seth Burford (7)
Jeff Kelly (7)
Wes Pate (7)
Chad Hutchinson (UD)
Quinn Gray (UD)
Shaun Hill (UD)

2003:
Dave Ragone (3)
Chris Simms (3)
Seneca Wallace (4)
Drew Henson (6)
Brooks Bollinger (6)
Kliff Kingsbury (6)
Gibran Hamdan (7)
Ken Dorsey (7)
Tony Romo (UD)

2004:
Matt Schaub (3)
Luke McCown (3)
Craig Krenzel (5)
Andy Hall (6)
Jim Sorgi (6)
Jeff Smoker (6)
John Navarre (7)
Cody Pickett (7)
Casey Bramlet (7)
Matt Mauck (7)
B. J. Symons (7)
Bradlee Van Pelt (7)

2005:
Charlie Frye (3)
Andrew Walter (3)
David Greene (3)
Kyle Orton (4)
Stefan LeFors (4)
Dan Orlovsky (5)
Adrian McPherson (5)
Derek Anderson (6)
James Kilian (6)
Ryan Fitzpatrick (7)

2006:
Charlie Whitehurst (3)
Brodie Croyle (3)
Brad Smith (4)
Ingle Martin (5)
Omar Jacobs (5)
Reggie McNeal (6)
Bruce Gradkowski (6)
D. J. Shockley (7)

2007:
Trent Edwards (3)
Isaiah Stanback (4)
Jeff Rowe (5)
Troy Smith (5)
Jordan Palmer (6)
Tyler Thigpen (7)
Matt Moore (UD)

2008:
Kevin O'Connell (3)
John David Booty (5)
Dennis Dixon (5)
Josh Johnson (5)
Erik Ainge (5)
Colt Brennan (6)
Andre' Woodson (6)
Matt Flynn (7)
Alex Brink (7)
Caleb Hanie (UD)

2009:
Stephen McGee (4)
Rhett Bomar (5)
Nate Davis (5)
Tom Brandstater (6)
Mike Teel (6)
Keith Null (6)
Curtis Painter (6)
Graham Harrell (UD)
Brian Hoyer (UD)

2010:
Colt McCoy (3)
Mike Kafka (3)
John Skelton (3)
Jonathan Crompton (5)
Rusty Smith (6)
Dan LeFevour (6)
Joe Webb (6)
Tony Pike (6)
Levi Brown (7)
Sean Canfield (7)
Zac Robinson (7)
Max Hall (UD)

2011:
Ryan Mallett (3)
Ricky Stanzi (5)
T. J. Yates (5)
Nathan Enderle (5)
Tyrod Taylor (6)
Greg McElroy (7)

2012:
Russell Wilson (3)
Nick Foles (3)
Kirk Cousins (4)
Ryan Lindley (6)
B. J. Coleman (7)
Chandler Harnish (7)
Case Keenum (UD)
Kellen Moore (UD)
Jacory Harris (UD)
Alex Tanney (UD)
Dominique Davis (UD)
G. J. Kinne (UD)
Austin Davis (UD)

UD = undrafted.


So yes, it's very much a crapshoot in the later rounds.

slipknottin
02-15-2013, 03:16 PM
So out of 95 picks, 2 are starter quality.

So a 1 in 47.5 chance of finding one.

Or put this way, the giants would need to draft at least 47.5 late round QBs to be guaranteed to find one that is a quality player.

What a massive waste of resources. Maybe 7th round it doesn't matter much. But 4-6 you can find good players still

blueribbon
02-15-2013, 09:27 PM
If they don't resign David Carr they will have to.

Redeyejedi
02-15-2013, 09:58 PM
I wouldnt mind taking 1 if the value is there but the problem is the Giants dont want to keep 3 on the roster and if he is just a PS guy it isnt worth using a pick on 1 better off with FA's

Redeyejedi
02-15-2013, 10:02 PM
So out of 95 picks, 2 are starter quality.

So a 1 in 47.5 chance of finding one.

Or put this way, the giants would need to draft at least 47.5 late round QBs to be guaranteed to find one that is a quality player.

What a massive waste of resources. Maybe 7th round it doesn't matter much. But 4-6 you can find good players still Flip Empty thanks for taking the time to do that. When U lay all the names out there it really hits home how much of a wasted pick it is.] Its like 1-15 U even get a decent back up thats awful. At least when U use a late round pick on other spots u can get some special teams out of them

G-Men Surg.
02-16-2013, 03:18 AM
I just don't see it happening this year, even less possible when you take in count so much needs all around .

Captain Chaos
02-16-2013, 07:28 AM
I think it would have to depend on the individual...