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nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 01:30 PM
Mines well start one of these like we do basically every yr..


I see good old Jonathan Cooper is only 6ft 2 1/2inch tall.. Good thing hes a guard, and even then, its alittle short...

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 01:31 PM
Warmack also weighs in at only 6ft 2inch tall.. Again, good thing hes a guard, but even shorter then Cooper.. Am i tripping right now, or is it wierd seeing the 2highest ranked Guards both being under 6ft 3in?

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 01:33 PM
Awesome weigh in for Gavin Escobar , coming in at 6ft 5in 254lbs 33 5/8 hands... I freaking love this TE class...

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 01:35 PM
Is Jordan Reed gonna have to play WR in the pros? He only comes in at 6ft 2in 236lbs with 33in hands on the nose..

slipknottin
02-21-2013, 01:36 PM
Is Jordan Reed gonna have to play WR in the pros? He only comes in at 6ft 2in 236lbs with 33in hands on the nose..

No. Just a move TE like Hernandez

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 01:43 PM
No. Just a move TE like Hernandez Do u remember what Hernandez came to combine measurable wise? I forget? Seems there are more Travis Beckums then Herenandez's though...

thegreatone
02-21-2013, 01:44 PM
Mines well start one of these like we do basically every yr..


I see good old Jonathan Cooper is only 6ft 2 1/2inch tall.. Good thing hes a guard, and even then, its alittle short...Not that big a deal. I mean he would be a great fit for teams like Seattle or NO with shorter qbs.

Sundown
02-21-2013, 01:45 PM
I'd love to have warmack here! He'd make some huge holes for Wilson.

slipknottin
02-21-2013, 01:46 PM
Do u remember what Hernandez came to combine measurable wise? I forget? Seems there are more Travis Beckums then Herenandez's though...

6023 and 245 pounds.

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 02:02 PM
Not that big a deal. I mean he would be a great fit for teams like Seattle or NO with shorter qbs. Pretty sure he'd be the smallest starting TE in the NFL, and he better be starting if he goes in the first couple rds like most perdicted.. He might even be the smallest TE in the NFL... Thats something...

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 02:03 PM
6023 and 245 pounds. So he had em by 10lbs and has been nothing but injury prone in the NFL.. I'll pass on Reed...

slipknottin
02-21-2013, 02:06 PM
So he had em by 10lbs and has been nothing but injury prone in the NFL.. I'll pass on Reed...

Hernandez has been as durable as Gronk has...

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 02:23 PM
Hernandez has been as durable as Gronk has... Gronk was injury prone in college as well though.. I'd be more worried about a guy whos underweight playing a rugged positon, and will be asked to go over the middle alot, then i would a guy Gronks size.. It dosen't mean ur not gonna get guys Gronks size being injury prone, obviously though... 236lb's would be the smallest starting TE in the NFL, and maybe smallest TE period(not sure about that though?)

Piddy283
02-21-2013, 02:31 PM
Is the combine on?

teaneck
02-21-2013, 02:35 PM
Is the combine on?

yes sir, until the end of the week.

Piddy283
02-21-2013, 02:36 PM
where? what channel?

teaneck
02-21-2013, 02:39 PM
where? what channel?

It should be on the NFL network.

slipknottin
02-21-2013, 02:41 PM
where? what channel?

Tv coverage starts tomorrow.

Today just weigh ins and interviews. Bench press for OL/TEs tomorrow. Field drills start saturday

Piddy283
02-21-2013, 02:50 PM
Awesome, thanks!

thegreatone
02-21-2013, 03:35 PM
Pretty sure he'd be the smallest starting TE in the NFL, and he better be starting if he goes in the first couple rds like most perdicted.. He might even be the smallest TE in the NFL... Thats something...Was talking about guard.

BlueSabbath
02-21-2013, 04:26 PM
<----- Can't wait to see what Jesse Williams benches.

slipknottin
02-21-2013, 04:36 PM
<----- Can't wait to see what Jesse Williams benches.

I'm not sure it will be all that much.

Being able to bench 600 once is a lot different than benching 225 35+ times.

Not saying he couldn't potentially set the record, just not sure reps of 225 will define him

titwio
02-21-2013, 04:40 PM
Fluker checked in at 339 lbs....16 lbs lighter than the Senior Bowl.

myles2424
02-21-2013, 04:43 PM
I'm not sure it will be all that much.

Being able to bench 600 once is a lot different than benching 225 35+ times.

Not saying he couldn't potentially set the record, just not sure reps of 225 will define him

If he can put up 600, he better be able to go crazy on 225....Im no where near 600 & im 20-24 on 225....

rainierjef
02-21-2013, 04:48 PM
Upset that Michael Williams did not get an invite to the combine.They say he is too slow, I doubt that he has high 4.6 speed but mid 4.7 is where i put him; we will see come Bama's proday, but excited to see what Lutzenkirchen can show, with the spotlight on him due to the surgery and the amount of time he has been out. Will he seperate himself from the H-back role and show that he can be a true TE, is what I am most interested in.

slipknottin
02-21-2013, 05:05 PM
If he can put up 600, he better be able to go crazy on 225....Im no where near 600 & im 20-24 on 225....

Im sure he can do quite a bit. But Im not sure a max rep of 1 is a similar show of strength as repeated reps. Muscle stamina vs. one exertion.

But yea, reports out of Bama are he is a legend in the weightroom and can bench 600

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 08:25 PM
Upset that Michael Williams did not get an invite to the combine.They say he is too slow, I doubt that he has high 4.6 speed but mid 4.7 is where i put him; we will see come Bama's proday, but excited to see what Lutzenkirchen can show, with the spotlight on him due to the surgery and the amount of time he has been out. Will he seperate himself from the H-back role and show that he can be a true TE, is what I am most interested in. Ya, i was surprised as well.. Also Dennis Johnson RB Ark, and Kenny Tate both didn't make it, and both needed the combine...

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 08:27 PM
If he can put up 600, he better be able to go crazy on 225....Im no where near 600 & im 20-24 on 225.... For real? Dang brother, i can't lift for cr-ap..lol Thats pretty impressive putting up 225 20-24 times my friend...

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 08:34 PM
I was saying how impressive Gavin Escobar's measurments were to me, and obviously his stock is up because of them. Can't wait to see how he does in the drill's.. Very productive player with measurables like that, and people got a 236lb 6ft 2in TE mocked ahead of em pretty much everywhere u look.. I'd never take a guy like Jordan Reed over Gavin Escobar...


Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State
Gavin Escobar had one of the more impressive measurements at Thursday's weigh-in. He checked in at 6-6, 254 pounds with 33 5/8-inch arms and 9 3/4-inch hands. There's a good chance he'll be chosen toward the end of Round 2. I have him slotted in the third round of my most recent 2013 NFL Mock Draft, but I may have to move him up a bit.

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 08:35 PM
Speaking of Jordan Reed.. I wasen't the only one who thought 236 was alittle bit of a joke for a TE.. Stock down on him in most places... I agree he could be labeled a H-Back going forward...


Jordan Reed, TE, Florida
Jordan Reed checked in as the second-lightest tight end at the Combine, being bigger than only San Jose State's Ryan Otten. Reed measured in at 6-2 1/2, 236 pounds. His hand size was nice (10 inches) but his short frame could have him labeled as an H-back.

penguinfarmer
02-21-2013, 08:38 PM
Fluker checked in at 339 lbs....16 lbs lighter than the Senior Bowl.

No surprise. Guys will overtrain just to light up the 40, even the OL.

nycsportzfan
02-21-2013, 08:43 PM
Vance McDonald TE Rice had impressive measurables at 6ft 4inch 267lbs with 34 3/8 long arms.. THis kid was running the ball on occasion with success for the Owls as well as showing impressive hands and obviously a nice looking frame for blocking... Like i keep saying before, i love this TE class...

nycsportzfan
02-22-2013, 12:17 PM
Cordarelle Patterson gots some short arms and small hands which could be why he was prone to drops during season... Otherwise, hes a nice 6ft 2in 216lb's and i'm curious to see his 40time at 216lb's..

nycsportzfan
02-22-2013, 12:18 PM
Robert Woods would be intriguing pickup if we were to lose Cruz, as our future slot/outside guy.. Came in over 200lbs at Weigh in, which should help his stock, as he has alittle more weight then anticipated for pounding u take going over the middle and underneath in NFL..

Redeyejedi
02-22-2013, 02:06 PM
Cordarelle Patterson gots some short arms and small hands which could be why he was prone to drops during season... Otherwise, hes a nice 6ft 2in 216lb's and i'm curious to see his 40time at 216lb's.. Overrated. . Inconsistent hands, concentration lapses, not a good route runner. Big fan of taking the best athletes on Defense on offense not so much. I dont think he is as fast as everyone thinks either

Redeyejedi
02-22-2013, 02:08 PM
Tv coverage starts tomorrow.

Today just weigh ins and interviews. Bench press for OL/TEs tomorrow. Field drills start saturday U can watch itat NFL.com 2 they have 2 cameras that u can toggle

TheEnigma
02-22-2013, 02:09 PM
Travis Frederick of Wisconsin weighed in at a surprising 6'4 312 versus his listed weight from WIS at 333. I knew that OL would drop some weight for the Combine but wasn't expecting a 20lb loss from this guy. It's good for him anyway imo.

slipknottin
02-22-2013, 02:15 PM
U can watch itat NFL.com 2 they have 2 cameras that u can toggle

Yea. They just don't stream the main feed. So rarely do you get any Mayock or the guys with him.

titwio
02-22-2013, 03:59 PM
No surprise. Guys will overtrain just to light up the 40, even the OL.

I think it has less to do with the 40 and more to do with being seen as tackle prospect rather than a guard.

Redeyejedi
02-22-2013, 06:33 PM
DC Jefferson the TE from Rutgers did 3 on the Bench press thats pretty bad

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-22-2013, 06:42 PM
DC Jefferson the TE from Rutgers did 3 on the Bench press thats pretty bad

thats pretty pathetic, gonna cost him.

Redeyejedi
02-22-2013, 06:59 PM
thats pretty pathetic, gonna cost him. With DC Jefferson's bench likely thrown out due to injury, Brian Winters (OG-Kent State) has lowest of 2013 class so far with nine reps.

Apparently he is hurt. 3 is worse than what the kickers do. I was going to say thats really bad

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-22-2013, 07:01 PM
With DC Jefferson's bench likely thrown out due to injury, Brian Winters (OG-Kent State) has lowest of 2013 class so far with nine reps.

Apparently he is hurt. 3 is worse than what the kickers do. I was going to say thats really bad

now that makes sense. I wanna see that kid marquis goodman run,,he's apparently aiming to break CJ's all time 40 mark.

slipknottin
02-22-2013, 11:25 PM
now that makes sense. I wanna see that kid marquis goodman run,,he's apparently aiming to break CJ's all time 40 mark.

He probably could on the old Indy field. The new one is much slower than the one cj ran on

myles2424
02-23-2013, 04:15 AM
DC Jefferson the TE from Rutgers did 3 on the Bench press thats pretty bad
Omg that's pathetic....I don't see how that's possible

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-23-2013, 04:24 AM
Omg that's pathetic....I don't see how that's possible

he was injured,,,same with brian winters.

Rat_bastich
02-23-2013, 05:03 AM
What was the arm length of Warmack and Cooper? I think 6' 2" is pretty decent leverage-wise with a low center of gravity. If they carry their weight well and have the reach to lock on to the defender then they should excel.

BlueSanta
02-23-2013, 07:24 AM
What was the arm length of Warmack and Cooper? I think 6' 2" is pretty decent leverage-wise with a low center of gravity. If they carry their weight well and have the reach to lock on to the defender then they should excel.

Chance was 34.6 (pretty good) and cooper was just over 33.

The truth is arm length matters for guards but not like it does for tackles. I do no think either of these numbers will help or hurt either of these players.

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 08:21 AM
Lane Johnson is very impressive.. Very athletic, long arms, did one more on the bench then both Joeckel and Fisher..etc I like him more and more... If somehow hes on the board, i would very much be happy if we grabbed em, as it also gives us insurance in case were to lose Beatty going forward or even in a few yrs, as we can switch Johnson over to LT...

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 08:22 AM
Overrated. . Inconsistent hands, concentration lapses, not a good route runner. Big fan of taking the best athletes on Defense on offense not so much. I dont think he is as fast as everyone thinks either I totally agree with you.. I actually like Justin Hunter and Keenan Allen better then Patterson, personally..

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 08:25 AM
Vance McDonald TE Rice had impressive measurables at 6ft 4inch 267lbs with 34 3/8 long arms.. THis kid was running the ball on occasion with success for the Owls as well as showing impressive hands and obviously a nice looking frame for blocking... Like i keep saying before, i love this TE class... Vance also added most reps on the bench press for TE's.. I love this kid! As soon as i started noticing him at some point during the season, and asked redeye for a video, i've seen nothing that i dislike about his game.. THis kids powerful, great size, solid hands, good runner with ball in his hands...etc Hes a absoulute beast!

slipknottin
02-23-2013, 09:43 AM
Richardson and Lotulelei both check in at 6024. So 6'2.5. Shorter than expected. Both were listed at 6'4. Going to hurt both of them

Unless they have extra long arms, it likely eliminates them as 5 techs for a lot of teams.

Redeyejedi
02-23-2013, 09:59 AM
Mingo at 6'4 241 like I said Linebacker

Redeyejedi
02-23-2013, 10:00 AM
NE Patriots draft have a live update of weigh in numbers

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AseLAGMydisldGJjNXlRd0JVdjdlaklpeDdWRjE4S Hc#gid=4

slipknottin
02-23-2013, 10:12 AM
Can't believe armstead ran a 4.65 at 6'5 306 pounds

giantsfan420
02-23-2013, 10:21 AM
fluker looks like a beast. i agree with mayock in that he is a starting rt day 1. he looks like he could be a LT if he can keep the weight down and agility up but that length...i was not high on him but if we could somehow get him in the 2nd...id love life...

giantsfan420
02-23-2013, 10:23 AM
and fisher is an awesome prospect but not up there with kukel or whatever dudes name is (highest rated T). i do agree hes a top 10 pick tho

Redeyejedi
02-23-2013, 10:26 AM
fluker looks like a beast. i agree with mayock in that he is a starting rt day 1. he looks like he could be a LT if he can keep the weight down and agility up but that length...i was not high on him but if we could somehow get him in the 2nd...id love life... He doesnt look like a LT from game tape

slipknottin
02-23-2013, 10:27 AM
He doesnt look like a LT from game tape

Heavy legged. Same thing that gives him his great anchor is what will prevent him from ever being a LT, and possibly a RT

juice33s
02-23-2013, 10:50 AM
Heavy legged. Same thing that gives him his great anchor is what will prevent him from ever being a LT, and possibly a RTMayock said thats where he made the mistake evaluating Mcneill. He said he didn't like his feet, but he was so long (like Fluker) it didn't matter

Sundown
02-23-2013, 10:53 AM
Wow Fluker looked un athletic in that drill. 2nd rd RT for sure.

penguinfarmer
02-23-2013, 10:56 AM
I'm not so sure Fluker is a Giants player even if he's there in the second. He belongs in a power man blocking scheme. Giants have transitioned more to a stretch zone, and have drafted their OL to correspond to that for the past few seasons.

Sundown
02-23-2013, 11:06 AM
Fluker looks bad on the pulling drill too, wow!

EliIsTheBaas
02-23-2013, 11:32 AM
I think it's pretty clear now fluker is not a combine guy, the question is to go back and look at his tape and see where he fits. All of these drills to be fair take away his biggest strength which is his power and length. I still want him as a giant.

penguinfarmer
02-23-2013, 12:07 PM
What we saw in drills was to be expected from what he has done in games.

slipknottin
02-23-2013, 12:10 PM
I think it's pretty clear now fluker is not a combine guy, the question is to go back and look at his tape and see where he fits. All of these drills to be fair take away his biggest strength which is his power and length. I still want him as a giant.

He's a guard, IMO

Sundown
02-23-2013, 12:15 PM
He's a guard, IMO

He looked clumsy on the pulling drill. I'd be hard pressed spending a 2nd rd pick on him but I guess he could be coached up.

Sundown
02-23-2013, 12:18 PM
Vinston Painter looks like a big mean SOB! Brotha is strapped!

giantsfan420
02-23-2013, 12:23 PM
flukers a starting rt day 1 pls with this guard stuff. he isnt that awkward moving...he just sucks at pulling and in Bamas downhill running scheme he prob pulled n a dozen plays a season, how often did we see locklear, dd, or kmac pull at the rt spot? i know we do it some, but hardly at all really...Id be more than psyched if we could get him rd 2. re-sign beatty, and we have 2 starting OT day 1 with talent...

giantsfan420
02-23-2013, 12:26 PM
what we generally ask of our RTs is to downblock so that the G/C can pull around him. And in that regard, Flukers good to go. He'd help our run game day 1, and could prob handle pass rushers with some rb help after a preseason of coaching. id trust fluker in that situation more than i would DD or even Brewer for that matter really

myles2424
02-23-2013, 12:32 PM
he was injured,,,same with brian winters.

But injured themselves benching right? Ive been lifting since i was a kid & 9 times out of ten that you injur yourself in the gym, its from guys trying to put up too much weight....

Sundown
02-23-2013, 12:35 PM
But injured themselves benching right? Ive been lifting since i was a kid & 9 times out of ten that you injur yourself in the gym, its from guys trying to put up too much weight....

Agreed or not warming up on low weight can cause a strain too

juice33s
02-23-2013, 12:43 PM
Lane Johnson looking very solid, 35.25 inch arms, 28 bench reps, 4.75 40, 1.61 10 yard split (fastest of oline), 34 Vert.

He's the most physically gifted of the Big 3 (Fisher, Joekel, Johnson)

keyofgmen
02-23-2013, 12:48 PM
STOP IT COOPER! 35 reps and 5.1 40...How ya gonna drop to 19 with these #s??

juice33s
02-23-2013, 12:51 PM
STOP IT COOPER! 35 reps and 5.1 40...How ya gonna drop to 19 with these #s??
Scouts are going to back on the tape on Cooper and Warmack and see if the difference is really that great, because physically Cooper seems to be noticeably superior

Evo'Ed
02-23-2013, 12:53 PM
I think we're fortunate that this is one of the deeper OL drafts (based on what experts say), being we have some big needs at G and T.

BTW that Schwenke kid from Cal was impressive and that name screams OL.

Sundown
02-23-2013, 01:00 PM
I think we're fortunate that this is one of the deeper OL drafts (based on what experts say), being we have some big needs at G and T.

BTW that Schwenke kid from Cal was impressive and that name screams OL.

Hes is really quick for a big guy

Sundown
02-23-2013, 01:03 PM
Lane Johnson looks good in the drills!

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 01:12 PM
Alex Okafor is vastly underrated and he looks the part at 6ft 5in 264lbs.. This is a kid who really should be in discussion for our 1st rd pick more often...

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 01:17 PM
Lane Johnson is very impressive.. Very athletic, long arms, did one more on the bench then both Joeckel and Fisher..etc I like him more and more... If somehow hes on the board, i would very much be happy if we grabbed em, as it also gives us insurance in case were to lose Beatty going forward or even in a few yrs, as we can switch Johnson over to LT... Add a unoffical 4.75 40 to Johnson's impressive list of accomplishments since the season ended.. Stock just continuing to soar.. I once said i could see him being a guy who ends up in RD1 before said and done, but now, i could see him challenge Fisher to be 2nd OT taken this yr..

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-23-2013, 01:18 PM
STOP IT COOPER! 35 reps and 5.1 40...How ya gonna drop to 19 with these #s??

doubt the giants take him anyway, the giants go D in the 1st round almost always and there are too many defensive prospects which will appeal to the giants in the 1st. LB/CB/DL

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 01:21 PM
Mayock is impressed with Earl Watford G James Madison.. He was one of my biggest sleepers in the east/west game... He definetly reminds me of a GIANTS Guard, as does JC Tretter, who screams NYG draft pick, with his versatility, athletic ability(Former TE) , and ability to block on 2nd level and move his feet...

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 01:23 PM
Solid 4.94 offical for Kyle Long

Sundown
02-23-2013, 01:51 PM
Alex Okafor is vastly underrated and he looks the part at 6ft 5in 264lbs.. This is a kid who really should be in discussion for our 1st rd pick more often...

I hope we get olgetree. Don't care about the his college misfortunes, I want JR to finally make a splash at LB.

drewz
02-23-2013, 02:01 PM
Wow.. Sam Montgomery only came in at 6'3

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 02:06 PM
Wow.. Sam Montgomery only came in at 6'3 I like Okafor because hes already strong against the run, and explosive, and his frame suggests he could add weight and still maintain his ability...

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 02:08 PM
Earl Watford, TJ Johnson, and JC Tretter are some sleeper type interior lineman i woulden't mind grabbing in mid to late rds...

myles2424
02-23-2013, 02:10 PM
Mines well start one of these like we do basically every yr..


I see good old Jonathan Cooper is only 6ft 2 1/2inch tall.. Good thing hes a guard, and even then, its alittle short...

6'2 & a half, lol, would you be more at ease if he was a whole inch taller at 6'3.5?

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 02:21 PM
6'2 & a half, lol, would you be more at ease if he was a whole inch taller at 6'3.5? To be honest, i didn't even think about it hard enough to wonder what i wished he stood HT wise.. lol Just simply making a observation... The thing i find funniest is everyone had em as a finesse guy who would be best fit in zone blocking scheme and now all of a sudden, after a couple drills, hes one of the stronger lineman who can pretty much fit any scheme and excel, and most likely be a top 20pick..lol I liked em for awhile, because of his abilty to move, and blast open holes for Giovanni Bernard, so i never thought he was strickly a zone blocking scheme guy...

By teh way, the sight i looked at had em at 6ft 2in, not 6ft 2in and a half as u mentioned.. Not that a inch would determine my taking a player of any positon anyhow, but just clarifying...

myles2424
02-23-2013, 02:33 PM
To be honest, i didn't even think about it hard enough to wonder what i wished he stood HT wise.. lol Just simply making a observation... The thing i find funniest is everyone had em as a finesse guy who would be best fit in zone blocking scheme and now all of a sudden, after a couple drills, hes one of the stronger lineman who can pretty much fit any scheme and excel, and most likely be a top 20pick..lol I liked em for awhile, because of his abilty to move, and blast open holes for Giovanni Bernard, so i never thought he was strickly a zone blocking scheme guy...

By teh way, the sight i looked at had em at 6ft 2in, not 6ft 2in and a half as u mentioned.. Not that a inch would determine my taking a player of any positon anyhow, but just clarifying...
just messing with u...I like cooper,but have a very hard time believing JR would go guard in the 1st....

juice33s
02-23-2013, 02:48 PM
None of these TE's are first round material...Eifert and Ertz just look like over sized WR's, don't have the elite speed of Vernon davis, Coby Fleener, Finley nor the size of Gronk, Graham, lewis ect

slipknottin
02-23-2013, 03:32 PM
None of these TE's are first round material...Eifert and Ertz just look like over sized WR's, don't have the elite speed of Vernon davis, Coby Fleener, Finley nor the size of Gronk, Graham, lewis ect

Eh? Eifert and Ertz measured in an inch shorter and 10 pounds lighter than Gronk/Graham.

Finley ran a 4.88 at the combine and a 4.66 at his proday.

And Gronk/Graham/Fleener/Finley all werent 1st round picks either.

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-23-2013, 03:45 PM
Eh? Eifert and Ertz measured in an inch shorter and 10 pounds lighter than Gronk/Graham.

Finley ran a 4.88 at the combine and a 4.66 at his proday.

And Gronk/Graham/Fleener/Finley all werent 1st round picks either.

very true,,who do you like that isnt the trendy pick at TE?

penguinfarmer
02-23-2013, 03:50 PM
How are the single official listed 40s listed? Is it the best of the two official timings, or is it a median of the two?

Sovereign
02-23-2013, 03:54 PM
just messing with u...I like cooper,but have a very hard time believing JR would go guard in the 1st....

He won't. Or a RT for that matter.

slipknottin
02-23-2013, 04:34 PM
How are the single official listed 40s listed? Is it the best of the two official timings, or is it a median of the two?

The best of the two. But there is no such thing as an "official" time. Teams all use their own hand timings.

quan the don
02-23-2013, 05:47 PM
I heard arthur brown came in as 6'0 flat and 244. Could that work at MLB?

quan the don
02-23-2013, 05:49 PM
I heard arthur brown came in as 6'0 flat and 244. Could that work at MLB?
To add to that lets say he runs a 4.5, would that be worthy of a 1sr round pick ? just asking...

slipknottin
02-23-2013, 05:54 PM
I heard arthur brown came in as 6'0 flat and 244. Could that work at MLB?

Same size as Bowman

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-23-2013, 06:10 PM
Same size as Bowman

arthur brown has grown on me a lot. I would be thrilled if we could get him. I like his game and his nickname is pretty cool,,the judge.

gabriel_1
02-23-2013, 06:11 PM
Hey waht about Gavin Escobar?! He seemed really solid catching the ball for me. I didn't watch the whole combine, but what do you guys think?

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-23-2013, 06:13 PM
he's a giants type pick, good value in a later round, probably could use some refining.

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 06:18 PM
Very impressed with Ogletree's 6ft 3in 242lb frame.. I remember people saying he was to lean to play middle LB, but he prooved that wrong, and on top of that, hes got the HT, Speed, sideline to sideline range, instincts..etc Hes my guy, if he wasen't such a idiot, but man i'd have a hard time saying no to this kid.. I can't wait to see em RUN, and his Vert..


Also, Sio Moore coming in at over 240lbs is impressive to me.. He has pass rush capabilites, and i wonder if he could play SLB in our 4/3 look? I know most think WLB, but the way he can get behind the line, and make plays in pass game, and at over 240lbs, and us having J-Will at WLB, maybe Sio Moore could step over to SLB? A J-Will, Ogletree, Moore Starting LB core would be insane!

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 06:20 PM
Hey waht about Gavin Escobar?! He seemed really solid catching the ball for me. I didn't watch the whole combine, but what do you guys think? Everyone knows how much i like this TE crop this yr and Escobar is up there in that crop, and because he ran slowley in the 40, some teams will drop him, so maybe he gets into our range with good value in a rd or something? I'm stuck on vance mcdonald, but guys like Fauria, Sims, Escobar, Kasa, and Kelce are guys i like as well..

slipknottin
02-23-2013, 06:28 PM
Very impressed with Ogletree's 6ft 3in 242lb frame..

He isnt 6'3. He is exactly 6'2.

drewz
02-23-2013, 07:55 PM
Do defensive backs get measured up tomorrow? They're the only ones that haven't done so

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 08:55 PM
He isnt 6'3. He is exactly 6'2. Ok, my bad.. I'll rephrase.. I am very impressed with Ogletrees 6ft 2in 242lb frame.. Its actually even better, because even more stocky then 6ft 3 242, and when ur talking about a athletic freak who can leap outta the building, it makes up for the 1inch anyways..

nycsportzfan
02-23-2013, 08:56 PM
Do defensive backs get measured up tomorrow? They're the only ones that haven't done so Last every yr.

gabriel_1
02-23-2013, 09:10 PM
Yeah I'm can't wait for DL and DBs. DB's are the best every year I think, I'm stoked to see hoe fast Banks, Rhodes, and Amerson runs. For DL I can't wait for ANSAH!!!!

TheEnigma
02-23-2013, 11:13 PM
Anyone else want to see Armstead line up a few times as a Jumbo TE and receive some passes now? That would be fun to watch.

Sundown
02-23-2013, 11:41 PM
Good to see pope coaching up the TEs, I'm sure he's seen some late gems to keep an eye on.

drewz
02-24-2013, 12:21 AM
Last every yr.

Yeah I know, just anxious to see their measurables as they're the only group that isn't up yet

BlueSanta
02-24-2013, 04:02 AM
I predicted that Brandon Jenkins would come in well under his listed size, and he did. He is no longer going to be considered for a 43 DE. At 6'2 250, he will be a 34 OLB.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 08:29 AM
2nd shortest arms outta all dlineman for Floyd.. So now u can add that to his unproductive resume.. I'm just not impressed with em, and i think a teams gonna make a big mistake taking him in rd 1.. I never bought the top 10 hype to begin with.. Not that i think he can't be solid, but not first rd solid..


Now Devn Taylor on the other hand impressed me.. Long arms, to go with that 6ft 7in 266lb frame.. Weighing 266 at 6ft 7is more wirey then bulky which should help him learn how to bend more consistently , and we all ready seen what he was capable of doing against good comp recently in teh sr bowl as he dominated.. I think hes gonna be a steal for someone..

Redeyejedi
02-24-2013, 09:46 AM
Great measurement for Poyer 5'11 7/8 almost 6' tall 191 pounds

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 09:48 AM
Great measurement for Poyer 5'11 7/8 almost 6' tall 191 pounds U know how much i love this kid, as i think hes the 2nd best cb in this draft... Hes athletic, instinctive, and is a "football player" if u will.. Hes the type of guy thats gonna be successful at whatever he does sports wise.. Hes just that kinda skilled athlete

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 09:52 AM
I'm very eager to see Darius Slay, Jamar Taylor, Leon McFadden, Jordan Poyer, Logan Ryan, Desmond Trufant, Micah Hyde, Xavier Rhodes today... People be sleeping on Slay because of Banks, but Slay is very talented good sized, athletic CB in his own right, with ball skills...

Redeyejedi
02-24-2013, 09:55 AM
2nd shortest arms outta all dlineman for Floyd.. So now u can add that to his unproductive resume.. I'm just not impressed with em, and i think a teams gonna make a big mistake taking him in rd 1.. I never bought the top 10 hype to begin with.. Not that i think he can't be solid, but not first rd solid..


Now Devn Taylor on the other hand impressed me.. Long arms, to go with that 6ft 7in 266lb frame.. Weighing 266 at 6ft 7is more wirey then bulky which should help him learn how to bend more consistently , and we all ready seen what he was capable of doing against good comp recently in teh sr bowl as he dominated.. I think hes gonna be a steal for someone.. The short Arms is bothersome you would like them to be at 33". Shorts arm length is fantastic for a DT. Really wish he worked out here. He is 20 pounds lighter want to see how that translated in speed and burst.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:03 AM
The short Arms is bothersome you would like them to be at 33". Shorts arm length is fantastic for a DT. Really wish he worked out here. He is 20 pounds lighter want to see how that translated in speed and burst. Ya, I can't wait for Purdues Proday to see em workout.. Short is way better player then Shariff Floyd, and i don't think its even close...

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:05 AM
6ft 1in 211lbs for the most instinctive S in this class, which is Baccari Rambo.. Also, i'm very intrested to see TJ McDonald run with that beuatiful 6ft 3in 219lb frame.. Wow!

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:07 AM
Hey Honey Badger coming in at 5ft 9in 186lbs isn't to bad for him... He could grow to 5ft 10inch, and all ready weighs more then Johnathan Banks.. I wonder what he'll run?

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:09 AM
Mayock thinks Barkley will be 2nd QB taken, thats what i said i would do as well.. If ur taking a chance on one of these QB's outside of GENO, mines well be one that just last yr was a shoe in for top 10 pick... U simply hope it was a off season for him and he gets back to how he played the yr before...

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:17 AM
Solid 4.94 offical for Kyle Longhowies son and Chris long brother

Sundown
02-24-2013, 10:17 AM
Damn Tavon Austin is crazy fast!!

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:18 AM
Holy Crap, they hand timed Tavon Austin only 1tenth of a sec slower then Chris Johnson.. Diffrence being of course, Chris Johnson was bigger, but still, very vast and explosive and versatile is mr.austin.. Albeit, with all that speed Chris Johnson has, his prime has been ridiculously small and hes very AVG all ready...

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:19 AM
howies son and Chris long brother Yup, u gotta factor in great football bloodlines as well with Kyle Long.. I gotta feeling hes on the Giants Radar...

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:21 AM
Unoffical 4.4 at 233lbs and 6ft 3in for Marcus Davis! Wowsers! Mayock says he don't bring it every play though...

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:21 AM
Damn Tavon Austin is crazy fast!!he just ran a 4.25 and they called him a best case scenario Wes Welker

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:21 AM
U guys see the Size of teh starting WR duo for E.Washington? Monsters!!!lol

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:22 AM
That's 1/100s of a second behind fastest time ever by Chris Johnson

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:23 AM
he just ran a 4.25 and they called him a best case scenario Wes Welker huh? hes way more verastile then Wes Welker.. I think hes alittle light, but still... Hes Percy Harvin like, with ability to go be a burner deep as well... Hes got serious potential as a pro.. But that 176lbs is ridiculous though..

Redeyejedi
02-24-2013, 10:23 AM
Josh Boyce sub 4.4 underrated slot receiver

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:23 AM
My guy Josh Boyce burned it up! 4.38 unoffical! I've been talking about him for 2yrs now!

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:24 AM
I was really impressed with some of the OLine guys 40 times. Couldn't believe some were putting up 4:65 to 4:80s and these guys were all over 300 pounds

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:25 AM
Josh Boyce sub 4.4 underrated slot receiver Yes sir.. Very underrated.. Alot to do with inconsistent QB play this past yr with Pachall's off field troubles and the other QB being a up and down passer.. I've been talking about Boyce ever since i first seen him play.. I thought he was a future 2nd rder.. Not really his fault though..

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:25 AM
My guy Josh Boyce burned it up! 4.38 unoffical! I've been talking about him for 2yrs now!yes I re,ember some of your threads on him

Redeyejedi
02-24-2013, 10:26 AM
huh? hes way more verastile then Wes Welker.. I think hes alittle light, but still... Hes Percy Harvin like, with ability to go be a burner deep as well... Hes got serious potential as a pro.. But that 176lbs is ridiculous though.. He would be devastating in the Patriots offense. He doesnt run great routes though. Everything with Austin is spread the field horizontally not vertically

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:26 AM
Almost time for my 2nd Ranked WR Justin Hunter... I mocked him to Panthers at 14 a month or 2 ago.. Very intereted to see how he runs...

Redeyejedi
02-24-2013, 10:27 AM
Yes sir.. Very underrated.. Alot to do with inconsistent QB play this past yr with Pachall's off field troubles and the other QB being a up and down passer.. I've been talking about Boyce ever since i first seen him play.. I thought he was a future 2nd rder.. Not really his fault though.. Ive always liked him didnt think he was that fast. Thought he was a 4.5 flat guy

Sundown
02-24-2013, 10:27 AM
Goodwin with blistering speed too! This is going to be a good little competition between the two

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:28 AM
He would be devastating in the Patriots offense. He doesnt run great routes though. Everything with Austin is spread the field horizontally not vertically Ya, u can do crazy things with him in patriots offense.. Could u imagine Gronk, Austin, Lloyd, Hernandez, Ridley, Vereen, and Brady going forward(even if they lose welker)?

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:28 AM
Ive always liked him didnt think he was that fast. Thought he was a 4.5 flat guy Ya, i didnt think he was that fast either..

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:30 AM
Goodwin with blistering speed too! This is going to be a good little competition between the twoyep another unofficial 4:25

penguinfarmer
02-24-2013, 10:31 AM
Tyrann Mattheu measures in at 5'8 6/8" and 186. That's bigger than I figured.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:31 AM
yep another unofficial 4:25 Ya, another guy under 180lbs as well.. I weigh 166lbs and i'm pretty skinny..lol U be physical with Goodwin and Austin at the line and u might negate that speed often..

Carter.525
02-24-2013, 10:32 AM
wow.. Goodwin & Austin in a battle!

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:32 AM
Tyrann Mattheu measures in at 5'8 6/8" and 186. That's bigger than I figured. I posted teh same thing.. Could be 5ft 10in before hes done growing as well.. Eager to see him run.. If he runs a 4.5 or so, could really bolt his stock up..

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:36 AM
How about Mark Harrison running a unoffical 4.47 at 231lbs and 6ft 3in?

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:38 AM
Wow, Boyce runs 4.38 exactly both runs! My man!

Redeyejedi
02-24-2013, 10:40 AM
How about Mark Harrison running a unoffical 4.47 at 231lbs and 6ft 3in? I think he is being slept on.I think someone is going to reach for him


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOiwIK_2FiE

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:41 AM
I think he is being slept on.I think someone is going to reach for him


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOiwIK_2FiE Ya, i agree.. Also have thought the same thing about Boyce...

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:43 AM
So you guys see the thread that JR won't interview Manti Ta'o this week as one of those 20 teams but will invite him in for a visit to NY... Hmm looks like they may be interested in him if he is there in 2nd round. However early returns say someone will draft him prior to 33

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:46 AM
So you guys see the thread that JR won't interview Manti Ta'o this week as one of those 20 teams but will invite him in for a visit to NY... Hmm looks like they may be interested in him if he is there in 2nd round. However early returns say someone will draft him prior to 33 Where do u get they might take em in RD2 because hes not interviewing em here but bringing em to NY?

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 10:47 AM
I think the panthers should draft either keenan allen or Justin Hunter...

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:53 AM
Where do u get they might take em in RD2 because hes not interviewing em here but bringing em to NY?well I'm just guessing since their not interviewing him here he isn't a 1st round consideration. I said maybe in the second, But the fact that their bringing him in is more personal and shows serious interest. He won't fall third round I don't think so if they are interested they'd have to draft him in 1st or 2nd round

miked1958
02-24-2013, 10:55 AM
I just didnt think the giants were take a risk with a first round pick but who knows. Maybe they liked his press conference

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 11:29 AM
How about Mark Harrison running a unoffical 4.47 at 231lbs and 6ft 3in?yes I like the numbers, albeit unofficial. But regardless, very good for someone his size.

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 11:32 AM
I'm very eager to see Darius Slay, Jamar Taylor, Leon McFadden, Jordan Poyer, Logan Ryan, Desmond Trufant, Micah Hyde, Xavier Rhodes today... People be sleeping on Slay because of Banks, but Slay is very talented good sized, athletic CB in his own right, with ball skills...nyc, I had Slay coming to the Giants in the 4th rd of my preliminary mock I posted a week or so ago. I wonder if he could go in the 3rd? I thought he was overshadowed by Banks at Miss St. But who knows, right.

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 11:34 AM
well I'm just guessing since their not interviewing him here he isn't a 1st round consideration. I said maybe in the second, But the fact that their bringing him in is more personal and shows serious interest. He won't fall third round I don't think so if they are interested they'd have to draft him in 1st or 2nd round

Or since they want even more time with him than the combine allows, perhaps they ARE considering him for the 1st.



I just didnt think the giants were take a risk with a first round pick but who knows. Maybe they liked his press conference

His off field stuff isnt a risk. Its his on field thats a bit of a question mark. He needs to run well.

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 11:36 AM
Yup, u gotta factor in great football bloodlines as well with Kyle Long.. I gotta feeling hes on the Giants Radar...yeah I heard Mayock mention yesterday that he has the skill set to play either guard or tackle in the NFL. And we know the Giants like versatility from their O-linemen.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 12:05 PM
well I'm just guessing since their not interviewing him here he isn't a 1st round consideration. I said maybe in the second, But the fact that their bringing him in is more personal and shows serious interest. He won't fall third round I don't think so if they are interested they'd have to draft him in 1st or 2nd round

Fifteen lousy minutes at the combine, thats it, not enough. Reese wants to pick TeO's brain back in NY with time to spare and be sure if Manti is worthy of the 19 pick.

miked1958
02-24-2013, 12:08 PM
Or since they want even more time with him than the combine allows, perhaps they ARE considering him for the 1st. His off field stuff isnt a risk. Its his on field thats a bit of a question mark. He needs to run well.i thought that but didnt say it for fear of the board jumping on me, lol. I for one don't put a whole lot of stock in that one game (BCSCG) where he looked terrible. I tend to think he was a solid player his whole college career. I for one have a good feeling about him and think he will be a very good Pro and wouldn't mind him drafted at 19 if he is there. Could become the Anchor in the Middle for the Giants for the next ten years...

TheEnigma
02-24-2013, 12:29 PM
Could E.J. Manuel be a 1st rounder based on his physical abilities alone? He has the frame to absorb blows better than a good amount of the scramblers and posted Andrew Luck/Cam Newton 40 time range. Really hoping at least 3 QBs (Geno, Barkely, and Manuel?) are taken before the 19th so we get an awesome DL prospect pushed back to us or maybe even one of the "big three" OTs that are impressive athletically and are technically sound.

juice33s
02-24-2013, 12:45 PM
Could E.J. Manuel be a 1st rounder based on his physical abilities alone? He has the frame to absorb blows better than a good amount of the scramblers and posted Andrew Luck/Cam Newton 40 time range. Really hoping at least 3 QBs (Geno, Barkely, and Manuel?) are taken before the 19th so we get an awesome DL prospect pushed back to us or maybe even one of the "big three" OTs that are impressive athletically and are technically sound.
Stranger things have happened, at this time in 2011 nobody really had Locker or Ponder as sure fire first rounders and they both went top 15. Even Newton was just considered perhaps a top 20 pick, not number 1 overall

TheEnigma
02-24-2013, 12:58 PM
Stranger things have happened, at this time in 2011 nobody really had Locker or Ponder as sure fire first rounders and they both went top 15. Even Newton was just considered perhaps a top 20 pick, not number 1 overall

True that. Very realistic to say that Manuel could challenge for the 1st overall selection when you compare him to guys like Geno and Bark. I guess it will depend on how much Reid thinks he could coach one of these kids up.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 01:02 PM
nyc, I had Slay coming to the Giants in the 4th rd of my preliminary mock I posted a week or so ago. I wonder if he could go in the 3rd? I thought he was overshadowed by Banks at Miss St. But who knows, right. I think Banks stole some of Slay's thunder, and Banks wasen't exactly a ringing name amongst the draft nuts, so Slay kinda fell under the radar.. Slay is similar player to Banks in my opinion and very close to him talent wise.. Long, lean, quick, ball skills..etc I do think Slay could go as early as EARLY 3rd rd to be honest.. He dosen't seem to be under teh radar anymore..

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 01:05 PM
They showed teh top 10 or so 40's in the past 6yrs or so and none of em outside of Chris Johnson(who really had a short prime) is anything special.. Jacoby Ford, Heyward Bey, Van Dyke..etc

juice33s
02-24-2013, 01:08 PM
Anybody have the arm lengths for the DB's?

juice33s
02-24-2013, 01:11 PM
Noticed my sleeper DE, Armonty Bryant measured in with 35.68 arms, 3rd best of any Dlineman

miked1958
02-24-2013, 01:47 PM
Man some of these WRs are impressive. TC taking some good notes looks like.

juice33s
02-24-2013, 01:50 PM
Eh? Eifert and Ertz measured in an inch shorter and 10 pounds lighter than Gronk/Graham.

Finley ran a 4.88 at the combine and a 4.66 at his proday.

And Gronk/Graham/Fleener/Finley all werent 1st round picks either.
I'm going to take Ertz out of the equation because he has absolutey no chance of going in the first....
As for Eifert he is noticeably smaller then Gronk
Combine measurements
Gronk- 6'6", 264, 34 1/4 arms, 10 3/4 hands,
Eifert- 6'5", 250, 33 1/8, 9 1/8

Also with Eiferts official 40 time of 4.68 he doesn't seem to match up athletically with some of the more athletic 1st TE's of recent history (Vernon Davis, Greg Olsen, Dustin Keller). Truth be told we've only had 1 first round TE the past 3 seasons, so I stand by my original assessment that there is no TE in this years class worth a first round pick.

Its not like Eifert lit it up on the field either, he had 0 hundred yard games and just 4 TD's last season

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 02:14 PM
Player School Height Weight Off. 40 Time Unoff. 40 Time 10-Yd Split Bench Vert Broad Arm
Johnny Adams Michigan State 5-10 185 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.28
Robert Alford SE Louisiana 5-10 188 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.08
David Amerson N.C. State 6-1 205 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.58
Marc Anthony California 5-11 196 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.18
Johnthan Banks Mississippi State 6-2 185 -- -- -- -- -- -- 33.78
John Boyett Oregon 5-10 204 -- -- -- -- -- -- 30.48
Adrian Bushell Louisville 5-09 186 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.08
Sanders Commings Georgia 6-0 216 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.08
Johnathan Cyprien Florida Int. 6-0 217 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.68
Will Davis Utah State 5-11 186 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.48
Mike Edwards Hawaii 5-09 189 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.58
Matt Elam Florida 5-10 208 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.58
Josh Evans Florida 6-1 207 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.78
Dwayne Gratz Connecticut 5-11 201 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.18
Terry Hawthorne Illinois 6-0 195 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.28
D.J. Hayden Houston 5-11 191 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.18
Aaron Hester UCLA 6-2 198 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.48
Micah Hyde Iowa 6-0 197 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.48
Tony Jefferson Oklahoma 5-11 213 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.58
Josh Johnson Purdue 5-09 199 -- -- -- -- -- -- 30.38
Keelan Johnson Arizona State 6-0 209 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.48
Robert Lester Alabama 6-1 220 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.08
Tyrann Mathieu LSU 5-09 186 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.18
Demetrius Mccray Appalachian State 6-1 187 -- -- -- -- -- -- 33.78
T.J. McDonald USC 6-3 219 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Bradley McDougald Kansas 6-0 215 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.48
Leon McFadden San Diego State 5-10 193 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.38
Brandon McGee Miami 5-11 193 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.08
Rontez Miles California-PA 6-0 203 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.78
Dee Milliner Alabama 6-0 201 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.08
Zeke Motta Notre Dame 6-2 213 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.38
Jordan Poyer Oregon State 6-0 191 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.68
Bacarri Rambo Georgia 6-1 211 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.08
Eric Reid LSU 6-0 213 -- -- -- -- -- -- 33.58
Greg Reid Florida State 5-08 190 -- -- -- -- -- -- 29.68
Xavier Rhodes Florida State 6-2 210 -- -- -- -- -- -- 33.68
Nickell Robey USC 5-07 169 -- -- -- -- -- -- 29.68
Logan Ryan Rutgers 5-11 191 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.38
Tharold Simon LSU 6-2 202 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.68
Jamoris Slaughter Notre Dame 6-0 195 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.38
Darius Slay Mississippi State 6-0 192 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.28
Daimion Stafford Nebraska 6-0 221 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.18
Jawanza Starling USC 6-1 202 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.08
Daxton Swanson Sam Houston State 5-10 186 -- -- -- -- -- -- 30.38
D.J. Swearinger South Carolina 5-11 208 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.38
Rod Sweeting Georgia Tech 5-11 189 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.28
Jamar Taylor Boise State 5-11 192 -- -- -- -- -- -- 30.68
Phillip Thomas Fresno State 6-1 208 -- -- -- -- -- -- 30.58
Shamarko Thomas Syracuse 5-09 213 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.48
Desmond Trufant Washington 6-0 190 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.28
Kenny Vaccaro Texas 6-0 214 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.68
B.W. Webb William & Mary 5-10 184 -- -- -- -- -- -- 30.28
Kayvon Webster South Florida 5-10 195 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.48
J.J. Wilcox Georgia Southern 6-0 213 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.08
Duke Williams Nevada -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Shawn Williams Georgia 6-0 213 -- -- -- -- -- -- 30.68
Steve Williams California 5-09 181 -- -- -- -- -- -- 30.48
Earl Wolff N.C. State 5-11 209 -- -- -- -- -- -- 31.48
Khalid Wooten Nevada 5-11 210 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.68
Blidi Wreh-Wilson Connecticut 6-1 195 -- -- -- -- -- -- 32.08

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 02:14 PM
Thats DB SIZES AND ARM LENGTH FOR ANYONE WHO DID NOT KNOW..

giantsfan420
02-24-2013, 02:16 PM
the thing with teo is, at pick #19, there could come the scenario where he actually could be the BPA. If he is, JR wont skip on him imo, hed stay true to his board. so i figure the interview with teo subject is just insuring himself if that decision needs to be made draft day

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 02:18 PM
I'm going to take Ertz out of the equation because he has absolutey no chance of going in the first....
As for Eifert he is noticeably smaller then Gronk
Combine measurements
Gronk- 6'6", 264, 34 1/4 arms, 10 3/4 hands,
Eifert- 6'5", 250, 33 1/8, 9 1/8

Also with Eiferts official 40 time of 4.68 he doesn't seem to match up athletically with some of the more athletic 1st TE's of recent history (Vernon Davis, Greg Olsen, Dustin Keller). Truth be told we've only had 1 first round TE the past 3 seasons, so I stand by my original assessment that there is no TE in this years class worth a first round pick.

Its not like Eifert lit it up on the field either, he had 0 hundred yard games and just 4 TD's last season I love ur prospective JUICEY, but i disagree about Eifert here.. Hes every bit as good as Kyle Rudolph(i'm diehard nd fan), and maybe better(Rudolph had better QB play, at least throwers), and i think Rudolph is a 1st rd talent even though he didnt go in RD1, and if u put Rudolph on a team that has more consistent thrower then PONDER, hes absoulutley tearing the league to shreds right now.. Eifert has value between pick 25 and end of rd 1 in my humble opinion.. I've watched almost every game of his career, and his numbers would be a thousand times better had he been on a team like say, Syracuse with Nassib or something...

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 02:20 PM
one of my fave prospects Jamar Taylor got some short arms.. I don't get it though, because he was a great run defender and was fine at man coverge, so i don't know where it hurt him on the field? Darius Slay at 6ft 1in 190lbs is pretty impressive, and Johnny Adams did himself a favor coming in at 186lbs , when he was listed at 178.. Adams could be a nice later rd steal at CB...

giantsfan420
02-24-2013, 02:22 PM
what do some of u guys think about the usc wr taken in a mid-late rd? he reminds me of ss12 in some regards and they run a pretty pro ready offense (or did under the previous system havent watched usc for a while) and i think the kid broke a bunch of records at usc so...

BlueSanta
02-24-2013, 02:24 PM
I'm going to take Ertz out of the equation because he has absolutey no chance of going in the first....
As for Eifert he is noticeably smaller then Gronk
Combine measurements
Gronk- 6'6", 264, 34 1/4 arms, 10 3/4 hands,
Eifert- 6'5", 250, 33 1/8, 9 1/8

Also with Eiferts official 40 time of 4.68 he doesn't seem to match up athletically with some of the more athletic 1st TE's of recent history (Vernon Davis, Greg Olsen, Dustin Keller). Truth be told we've only had 1 first round TE the past 3 seasons, so I stand by my original assessment that there is no TE in this years class worth a first round pick.

Its not like Eifert lit it up on the field either, he had 0 hundred yard games and just 4 TD's last season

I do not agree with your logic on this.

The fact is TEs are more valuable now, with the recent changes in the NFL, than they have been in the past. NFL teams are only now beginning to recognize this.

Here is how I view it:

The Pats did not spend a 1st rounder on Gronk, but his play has been worth a 1st round pick.

The Saints did not spend a 1st round pick on Graham, but he has been worth a 1st round pick.

In the new NFL, I would argue that the TE has pulled even with the WR in terms of value to an offense (for some teams) and we will start seeing some pop into the 1st round in the future who may not have been 1st rounders in past years.

I would also argue that both Eifert and Ertz are better prospects than any TE who came out last year, including Fleener. He was selected 34th so it isnt impossible for at least 1 guy to go in the 1st. .

penguinfarmer
02-24-2013, 03:05 PM
The few games I've watched of Stanford, Ertz didn't particularly stand out by chance. For Eiffert, he's as good as highpointing the ball and using every inch of his height and athleticism as an advantage as I've seen from recent TE prospects. I think he's worth a first. Just hopefully not by the Giants.

Evo'Ed
02-24-2013, 03:06 PM
Damn kid from Arkansas (Knile Davis) ran a 4.30 (unofficial), and he's listed at 6'-0" and 220 lbs.

Just looking at this stats, the kid had a great 2010 in the SEC but is coming off an average 2012 after missing all of 2011 with an ankle injury.

Could it be he's over the injury?


Might be a nice late round pickup?

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 03:14 PM
I do not agree with your logic on this.

The fact is TEs are more valuable now, with the recent changes in the NFL, than they have been in the past. NFL teams are only now beginning to recognize this.

Here is how I view it:

The Pats did not spend a 1st rounder on Gronk, but his play has been worth a 1st round pick.

The Saints did not spend a 1st round pick on Graham, but he has been worth a 1st round pick.

In the new NFL, I would argue that the TE has pulled even with the WR in terms of value to an offense (for some teams) and we will start seeing some pop into the 1st round in the future who may not have been 1st rounders in past years.

I would also argue that both Eifert and Ertz are better prospects than any TE who came out last year, including Fleener. He was selected 34th so it isnt impossible for at least 1 guy to go in the 1st. . Ya, i agree with this Santaman..

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 03:16 PM
Damn kid from Arkansas (Knile Davis) ran a 4.30 (unofficial), and he's listed at 6'-0" and 220 lbs.

Just looking at this stats, the kid had a great 2010 in the SEC but is coming off an average 2012 after missing all of 2011 with an ankle injury.

Could it be he's over the injury?


Might be a nice late round pickup?
Ya, but hes no secret after that.. Teams probably see hes healthy and he's gonna go in the rd 4range now.. Albeit, if he was our 4th rd pick, i certainly woulden't argue with it.. Thats pretty freaking amazing!

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 03:17 PM
God Dang, micael ford just raised his stock as well with great numbers for his size and running style..

Evo'Ed
02-24-2013, 03:18 PM
Ya, but hes no secret after that.. Teams probably see hes healthy and he's gonna go in the rd 4range now.. Albeit, if he was our 4th rd pick, i certainly woulden't argue with it.. Thats pretty freaking amazing!

Kid just ran his 2nd 40 @ 4.31.

Just watched some youtube clips of him and was impressed (all of the good stuff was from 2010 though).

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 03:20 PM
Dang, Robbie Rouse with a unoffical 4.78.. His NFL dream might come to a end with that number..

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 03:22 PM
Kid just ran his 2nd 40 @ 4.31.

Just watched some youtube clips of him and was impressed (all of the good stuff was from 2010 though). Ah ya, i have had many conversations about Knile Davis over the yrs, and mocked em to us once or twice during the season, and if not for injuries, ur talking about a guy who was in 1st rd consideration, and now with those numbers, he's gonna fly up draft boards.. Hes validating his 2010 running like that...

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 03:28 PM
Zac Stacy and Kerwynn Williams are still 2 backs i woulden't mind taking later in draft.. Knile Davis and Christine Michael both are going in the top 4rds most likely, so i'm kinda talking 5th-7th rd RB.. Others that intrest me are Cierre Wood, Theo Rid****(don't care about his 40, this kids a football player and very versatile), Spencer Ware, Miguel Maysonet..

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 03:30 PM
Ontario McCaleb with blistering unoffical 4.21 on his 2nd run.. Crazy!

Evo'Ed
02-24-2013, 03:31 PM
Ontario McCaleb with blistering unoffical 4.21 on his 2nd run.. Crazy!

Fun to watch.

Don't think he'll ever be a NFL RB though.


Zac Stacy and Kerwynn Williams are still 2 backs i woulden't mind taking later in draft.. Knile Davis and Christine Michael both are going in the top 4rds most likely, so i'm kinda talking 5th-7th rd RB.. Others that intrest me are Cierre Wood, Theo Rid****(don't care about his 40, this kids a football player and very versatile), Spencer Ware, Miguel Maysonet..

I want to see this kid Michael Dyer at his pro day, whose name has popped up a couple of times from various websites I've read.

Talented but off the field problems; looked good at Auburn.

DVision
02-24-2013, 03:38 PM
Ontario McCaleb with blistering unoffical 4.21 on his 2nd run.. Crazy!

You see how everyone gets set and balanced at the line? McCaleb just walked up and put his hand down :)

BlueSanta
02-24-2013, 04:06 PM
The worry with Davis is all about his ankles. He has had 2 reasonably serious ankle injuries already. He is obviously helping himself today, but the real test for him that will determine where he gets picked is happening behind doors we cant open, doors which lead to the medical evaluators.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 04:08 PM
You see how everyone gets set and balanced at the line? McCaleb just walked up and put his hand down :) Ya, hes quick. He was a track guy, and its second nature for him to do this kinda stuff.. Hes just so tiny though.. His value is gonna be on Special teams and 3rd downs.. Its funny because Theo Rid**** ran like a 4.6 something and i think hes gonna be a much better pro.. Like mayock and davis were saying, RB's 40s aren't as important as how they cut, and if there more "quick" then fast...

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 04:09 PM
Zac Stacy and Kerwynn Williams are still 2 backs i woulden't mind taking later in draft.. Knile Davis and Christine Michael both are going in the top 4rds most likely, so i'm kinda talking 5th-7th rd RB.. Others that intrest me are Cierre Wood, Theo Rid****(don't care about his 40, this kids a football player and very versatile), Spencer Ware, Miguel Maysonet..Once again nyc, I had Zac Stacy in the 7th rd of my initial mock. I saw him play quite a bit down here in SEC country. I would be ok with him with our 6th or 7th rd to be honest. I was surprised some with his bench reps at the combine.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 04:10 PM
The worry with Davis is all about his ankles. He has had 2 reasonably serious ankle injuries already. He is obviously helping himself today, but the real test for him that will determine where he gets picked is happening behind doors we cant open, doors which lead to the medical evaluators. Charles Davis gave Kerwynn Williams props on that cutback drill, and he obviously ran one of teh better 40 times outta RB's , and was awesome at Utah St this past season, and oh yeah, he can catch... I would love him behind David Wilson.. Explosive duo there...

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 04:11 PM
Ya, hes quick. He was a track guy, and its second nature for him to do this kinda stuff.. Hes just so tiny though.. His value is gonna be on Special teams and 3rd downs.. Its funny because Theo Rid**** ran like a 4.6 something and i think hes gonna be a much better pro.. Like mayock and davis were saying, RB's 40s aren't as important as how they cut, and if there more "quick" then fast...long speed is ok for a RB, but if they have great vision, balance, and cutting ability, I would sacrifice some long speed. You cant bust a 50 or 60 yard run every time you touch the ball, not even the 4.24 Chris Johnson can say that.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 04:12 PM
Mayock giving mad props to my guy from last yr, Doug Martin! Freaking beast!

miked1958
02-24-2013, 04:23 PM
Mayock giving mad props to my guy from last yr, Doug Martin! Freaking beast!yep he was a beast. So was Morris. Although I don't think any of the experts expected the kind of numbers those two put up

miked1958
02-24-2013, 04:24 PM
Although in systems where you get almost all the carries its easier to do......

miked1958
02-24-2013, 04:25 PM
Our system doesn't allow that by one Back

juice33s
02-24-2013, 04:31 PM
I do not agree with your logic on this.

The fact is TEs are more valuable now, with the recent changes in the NFL, than they have been in the past. NFL teams are only now beginning to recognize this.

Here is how I view it:

The Pats did not spend a 1st rounder on Gronk, but his play has been worth a 1st round pick.

The Saints did not spend a 1st round pick on Graham, but he has been worth a 1st round pick.

In the new NFL, I would argue that the TE has pulled even with the WR in terms of value to an offense (for some teams) and we will start seeing some pop into the 1st round in the future who may not have been 1st rounders in past years.

I would also argue that both Eifert and Ertz are better prospects than any TE who came out last year, including Fleener. He was selected 34th so it isnt impossible for at least 1 guy to go in the 1st. . Exactly my point, the guys you just named (Gronk and Graham), Eifert does not match up with as a prospect....Even Fleener, He was 6'6" and ran a 4.45

Eifert- 6'5", 250, 33 1/8 arms, 9 1/8 hands, 4.68 40 22 bench 35 1/2 vert
Fleener- 6'6" 247, 33 3/8, 10 4.45 proday 27 37

Fleener also outproduced him on the field

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 04:33 PM
Although in systems where you get almost all the carries its easier to do......yeah and we know how Shanahan can work wonders with any RB it seems. But like you said, systems vary, you can factor in how healthy that RB stays, and how well the O-line plays. I know our O-line has protected Eli in the pass game for the most part, they have not been much to write home about in the run game.

I know Martin and Morris looked great as rookies, I have a feeling that most of us fans will not be disappointed in Wilson's production. I believe Wilson has a high ceiling in this league.

miked1958
02-24-2013, 04:37 PM
yeah and we know how Shanahan can work wonders with any RB it seems. But like you said, systems vary, you can factor in how healthy that RB stays, and how well the O-line plays. I know our O-line has protected Eli in the pass game for the most part, they have not been much to write home about in the run game.I know Martin and Morris looked great as rookies, I have a feeling that most of us fans will not be disappointed in Wilson's production. I believe Wilson has a high ceiling in this league.i am hoping the combo of Wilson and brown will allow them both to excel like AB1 and BJ once did together

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 04:40 PM
I'm going to take Ertz out of the equation because he has absolutey no chance of going in the first....
As for Eifert he is noticeably smaller then Gronk
Combine measurements
Gronk- 6'6", 264, 34 1/4 arms, 10 3/4 hands,
Eifert- 6'5", 250, 33 1/8, 9 1/8

Also with Eiferts official 40 time of 4.68 he doesn't seem to match up athletically with some of the more athletic 1st TE's of recent history (Vernon Davis, Greg Olsen, Dustin Keller). Truth be told we've only had 1 first round TE the past 3 seasons, so I stand by my original assessment that there is no TE in this years class worth a first round pick.

Its not like Eifert lit it up on the field either, he had 0 hundred yard games and just 4 TD's last seasonI can respect and agree with your assessment to a point juice. But in fairness to Eifert's numbers in his senior year, he was double teamed moreso than his previous campaigns.

Vernon Davis was just a freak--he lit up the combine and has turned out to be a very good TE and not just some workout warrior.

Whether, you, me or any other fan agree on if a TE is worthy to get drafted in the 1st rd this year, all that matters is what a teams GM thinks.

Edit: The TE position has become more valuable over the past several years with a lot of teams and the offensive schemes they like to run. Its kind of like the FB position, how you dont find too many big, strong blocking bruisers to pave the way for the HB like we used to see in years past

Rudyy
02-24-2013, 04:42 PM
Why do some analyst have us taking a TE in the first?

TheEnigma
02-24-2013, 04:44 PM
Why do some analyst have us taking a TE in the first?

Because they don't understand the Giants offensive system. No TE in this draft is worth a top 20 selection imo. MAYBE end of the 1st round but that's it.

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 04:45 PM
i am hoping the combo of Wilson and brown will allow them both to excel like AB1 and BJ once did togetherI agree miked, in todays NFL it is important to have a good combo, 2 or 3, RBs, to carry the load. We all know how short of a shelf life RBs have to begin with.

I am not against the Giants bringing in another RB, via the draft, to compete for a 3rd RB position. I have nothing against Scott, but he is no lock to make the final 53, in my opinion. But we have other areas that need to be addressed earlier. I think we can find a decent RB like I mentioned above, in the later rds.

miked1958
02-24-2013, 04:45 PM
Why do some analyst have us taking a TE in the first?i saw that to... No way that happens.. Oline or LB for sure in 1st

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 04:48 PM
Because they don't understand the Giants offensive system. No TE in this draft is worth a top 20 selection imo. MAYBE end of the 1st round but that's it.ahh I think its a crap shoot with some of these mock drafts, even those put out by the "experts" or analysts. Maybe they are thinking that the Giants wont be able to re-sign Bennett. And probably some of them dont know much about Pascoe or the development of Robinson from last year.

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 04:51 PM
Because they don't understand the Giants offensive system.

That the TE is a huge part of what the giants do?

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 04:52 PM
i saw that to... No way that happens.. Oline or LB for sure in 1stI think the only positions that I am confident the Giants won draft in rd 1 would be QB(obvious), RB, P or K(we are not the Raiders--LOL). I would rank TE up there maybe, but I would not be shocked 100%, compared to the other positions I listed. I would love to see the O-line, CB, DT and LB positions addressed in the top 3 rds.

But a lot could change between now and after the FA signing period starts on March 12th. Maybe a month or so from now, it could be a little clearer, or yet maybe more cloudy--LOL!!

TheEnigma
02-24-2013, 04:54 PM
That the TE is a huge part of what the giants do?

Early round TEs are generally receiving targets first and blockers second. The value just isn't there for us at 19 to pick up either Eifert or Ertz. We can get what fits our system much better later on.

miked1958
02-24-2013, 04:55 PM
I think the only positions that I am confident the Giants won draft in rd 1 would be QB(obvious), RB, P or K(we are not the Raiders--LOL). I would rank TE up there maybe, but I would not be shocked 100%, compared to the other positions I listed. I would love to see the O-line, CB, DT and LB positions addressed in the top 3 rds.But a lot could change between now and after the FA signing period starts on March 12th. Maybe a month or so from now, it could be a little clearer, or yet maybe more cloudy--LOL!!all very true

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 04:56 PM
Early round TEs are generally receiving targets first and blockers second.

Every TE in every draft is, lol. None of them have a clue how to block.

TheEnigma
02-24-2013, 05:00 PM
Every TE in every draft is, lol. None of them have a clue how to block.

I would call Michael Williams a blocker first and receiver 2nd really. Don't think you're really being honest with that statement but that's just me.

miked1958
02-24-2013, 05:03 PM
I would call Michael Williams a blocker first and receiver 2nd really. Don't think you're really being honest with that statement but that's just me.id draft michael Williams in later rounds if he is there in 6th or 7th

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 05:08 PM
I would call Michael Williams a blocker first and receiver 2nd really. Don't think you're really being honest with that statement but that's just me.maybe slip meant that most of the TEs that are 1st and 2nd rd talent, are known more for their hands/receiving, moreso than their blocking. Thats just my take. The TE position in college now is evolving---and the offenses in the NFL are adapting to that as well. It started with Tony Gonzalez, heck you can even go back to Kellen Winslow(he might have been more of the exception back then) if you wanted.

But once guys like Gonzalez and Gates(former basketball players) succeeded in the NFL, it seemed to take off from that point. The TE became more involved in the vertical pass game than in the past.

tonyt830
02-24-2013, 05:10 PM
id draft michael Williams in later rounds if he is there in 6th or 7thI'd be ok with him as well maybe in the 6th rd. I mocked Nick Casa to the Giants in the 5th(maybe too high, maybe too low) I think he could be a sleeper type pick at TE for us, even if he is not the blocker that Williams is.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 06:01 PM
Once again nyc, I had Zac Stacy in the 7th rd of my initial mock. I saw him play quite a bit down here in SEC country. I would be ok with him with our 6th or 7th rd to be honest. I was surprised some with his bench reps at the combine. Yup, i've talked Stacy with Santaman and Redeye, as they both like em as well.. I think alot of people kinda think hes just a up the gut, one cut guy, but hes actually pretty explosive, and strong as well.. Solid hands, and can be a workhorse if need be.. Also, very productive in the tough SEC always helps.. I like Kerwynn Williams just as much, and Miguel Maysonet is very intriguing also...

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 06:04 PM
I would call Michael Williams a blocker first and receiver 2nd really. Don't think you're really being honest with that statement but that's just me.

A TE who comes out of college being a capable blocker happens like once every other year. They are incredibly rare.

The difference between the top TEs and the low TEs is just their receiving ability. TEs dont usually get drafted because of their blocking ability.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 06:04 PM
Christine Michael with a 43inch vertical! Wowsers! Kid flat out killed the combine as well as the East/West Shrine game, and has a wonderful blend of power and speed... He and Knile Davis helped themselves the most at the RB positon today..

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 06:07 PM
A TE who comes out of college being a capable blocker happens like once every other year. They are incredibly rare.

The difference between the top TEs and the low TEs is just their receiving ability. TEs dont usually get drafted because of their blocking ability. Mostly the ones who can do both are drafted in RD 1 though.. Not to many staright recieving threats going in RD1.. Jermaine Gresham, Brandon Pettigrew, Vernon Davis, are very good blockers as well as recieving threats..

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 06:08 PM
I would call Michael Williams a blocker first and receiver 2nd really. Don't think you're really being honest with that statement but that's just me.
Heck of course they can block, maybe blocking isn't their forte or they aren't blocking TE by definition but to say they don't have a clue how to block is just not an intelligent remark.

juice33s
02-24-2013, 06:15 PM
Extra interested to see what Ogletree runs the 40 in after Mccaleb ran an unofficial 4.21 (later changed to a 4.34 official)....Here Ogletree chased him down from behind at the 2:00 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBD3yxwYZ9o

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 06:15 PM
Mostly the ones who can do both are drafted in RD 1 though.. Not to many staright recieving threats going in RD1.. Jermaine Gresham, Brandon Pettigrew, Vernon Davis, are very good blockers as well as recieving threats..

They werent coming out, Veron and Gresham particularly were very poor blockers, Pettigrew was just ok.

Pretty much every TE who comes out you just have to look at their willingness to block, because none of them can.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 06:18 PM
Extra interested to see what Ogletree runs the 40 in after Mccaleb ran an unofficial 4.21 (later changed to a 4.37 official)....Here Ogletree chased him down from behind at the 2:00 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBD3yxwYZ9o
LOL! Barely .

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 06:18 PM
Extra interested to see what Ogletree runs the 40 in after Mccaleb ran an unofficial 4.21 (later changed to a 4.37 official)....Here Ogletree chased him down from behind at the 2:00 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBD3yxwYZ9o

Lol, no he didnt. He had the angle and barely got his shoelace... Half a foot and Mccaleb is off to the races.

juice33s
02-24-2013, 06:25 PM
Lol, no he didnt. He had the angle and barely got his shoelace... Half a foot and Mccaleb is off to the races.
What you failed to see, is while Mccaleb had a running head start, Ogletree was being pushed in the opposite direction and started from a stand still.....99% of the linebackers in the world don't make that play.

Ogletree is potentially a 4.4 LB and that is rarefied air

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 06:28 PM
What you failed to see, is while Mccaleb had a running head start, Ogletree was being pushed in the opposite direction and started from a stand still.....99% of the linebackers in the world don't make that play.

lol, uh huh. Either way, he didnt chase him down, he cut off the angle and barely got there.

juice33s
02-24-2013, 06:33 PM
lol, uh huh. Either way, he didnt chase him down, he cut off the angle and barely got there.
lol barely got there? the point is he got there.....Okay, well here's another one...This time chasing down a WR who had a 5 yard head start
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24FvP-tyyTs (4:35 mark)...

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 06:38 PM
lol barely got there? the point is he got there.....Okay, well here's another one...This time chasing down a WR who had a 5 yard head start
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24FvP-tyyTs (4:35 mark)...

The WR stopped to try to go around the safety.

Im not arguing that Ogletree isnt fast, but dont make it sound like he runs a 4.2 and is chasing down olympic sprinters, because hes not.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 06:40 PM
lol barely got there? the point is he got there.....Okay, well here's another one...This time chasing down a WR who had a 5 yard head start
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24FvP-tyyTs (4:35 mark)...
Joke aside, no doubt he will probably put a blazing 40 and is a gifted athlete. Its going to be interesting who takes a " flyer " on him. The Giants ? Honestly I really don't know bro.

juice33s
02-24-2013, 06:54 PM
The WR stopped to try to go around the safety.

Im not arguing that Ogletree isnt fast, but dont make it sound like he runs a 4.2 and is chasing down olympic sprinters, because hes not.
lol ur just a hater...bad juju my friend, bad juju

TheEnigma
02-24-2013, 07:10 PM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap1000000144927/article/utahs-star-lotulelei-sidelined-with-heart-condition

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 07:23 PM
http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap1000000144927/article/utahs-star-lotulelei-sidelined-with-heart-condition
Wow ! If that's true that doesn't sound good at all. Heart faliure, yikes !

Rudyy
02-24-2013, 07:59 PM
That the TE is a huge part of what the giants do?We don't NEED a TE though.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 08:20 PM
lol, uh huh. Either way, he didnt chase him down, he cut off the angle and barely got there. Barley got there? Since when does it matter if u barley get there as long as u do?

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 09:08 PM
Barley got there? Since when does it matter if u barley get there as long as u do?

Sorry, when I hear "chased him down" I think the guy ran someone down and tackled them. Not he cut off an angle and barely got their shoe.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 09:16 PM
Looking at the bench press numbers from LB's, a respectable 20 from ogletree, and a monsterus 29 outta UCONN's Sio Moore! I really hope if we don't get a LB early on, we can get a player like Sio Moore in RD3 or 4..

Anyone think Sio Moore could play SLB? He gets to the QB, clearly has strength, and isn't nearly the liability in coverege someone like Kiwi is... If we got Ogletree and Moore, we could have a JWILL OGLETREE MOORE starting LB core.. That is the type of LB core we need..

nycsportzfan
02-24-2013, 09:20 PM
Michael Mauti coming in at 6ft 2in 243lbs and puts 28up on the Bench.. Hes kinda fallen off since the injury, but u taking a chance on a falling LB that had 2nd rd draft stock prior to the injury, hes the guy.. Could be a huge steal...

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 10:07 PM
Anyone think Sio Moore could play SLB? He gets to the QB, clearly has strength, and isn't nearly the liability in coverege someone like Kiwi is... If we got Ogletree and Moore, we could have a JWILL OGLETREE MOORE starting LB core.. That is the type of LB core we need..

I think he certainly could play Sam. He is physical enough and has the size. Still think he could play MLB too.

A couple other ones, Minter is under 6'. 5117.

Arthur Brown 6' even.

There are only a couple non pass-rush linebackers that are over 6'1 in this draft. Most seem to be in the 6'-6'1 range.

So if the giants are looking for height, not a particularly good draft for that.

Khassem Greene only 17 reps, which fits what I saw on tape. Not a stack/shed player. Hes a run and chase type who needs to be kept reasonably clean.

BlueSanta
02-25-2013, 01:16 AM
Exactly my point, the guys you just named (Gronk and Graham), Eifert does not match up with as a prospect....Even Fleener, He was 6'6" and ran a 4.45

Eifert- 6'5", 250, 33 1/8 arms, 9 1/8 hands, 4.68 40 22 bench 35 1/2 vert
Fleener- 6'6" 247, 33 3/8, 10 4.45 proday 27 37

Fleener also outproduced him on the field
You are comparing measurables, I am comparing football players. And for the record, Fleener absolutely did NOT outproduce Ertz. It isnt even close. YOu lose the disagreement right there for lack of knowledge.

In 2011, with Andrew Luck at the helm, Stanford passed the ball far more than they did in 2012. Luck had 404 pass attempts and of those Fleener caught a meager 34.

In 2012, Josh Nunes had a meager 235 pass attempts and Ertz caught a whopping 69 of them. Ertz also had like 3 game winning TD catches , 2 of them against top 15 ranked teams. He also had the game tieing TD catch vs the then #1 ranked oregnon team. Fact is, he played HUGE in big games.



Its not even close.....Here is a quote for you from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/zach-ertz?id=2540158) :

"In 2012 Ertz doubled Coby Fleener’s production from the year before, earning All-American honors as a Mackey Award finalist."


So what was that about Fleener outproducing Ertz?


So you go ahead and stick with your measurables. I will stick with Football players. And for the record, Fleener's measurables were WAY better than Dwayne Allen's last year. Yet, guess who was higher in the depth chart in Indy? Even prior to Fleener's injury Dwayne Allen was the every down TE and Fleener was a situational guy.

giantsfan420
02-25-2013, 01:21 AM
You are comparing measurables, I am comparing football players. And for the record, Fleener absolutely did NOT outproduce Ertz. It isnt even close. YOu lose the disagreement right there for lack of knowledge.

In 2011, with Andrew Luck at the helm, Stanford passed the ball far more than they did in 2012. Luck had 404 pass attempts and of those Fleener caught a meager 34.

In 2012, Josh Nunes had a meager 235 pass attempts and Ertz caught a whopping 69 of them. Ertz also had like 3 game winning TD catches , 2 of them against top 15 ranked teams. He also had the game tieing TD catch vs the then #1 ranked oregnon team. Fact is, he played HUGE in big games.



Its not even close.....Here is a quote for you from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/zach-ertz?id=2540158) :

"In 2012 Ertz doubled Coby Fleener’s production from the year before, earning All-American honors as a Mackey Award finalist."


So what was that about Fleener outproducing Ertz?


So you go ahead and stick with your measurables. I will stick with Football players. And for the record, Fleener's measurables were WAY better than Dwayne Allen's last year. Yet, guess who was higher in the depth chart in Indy? Even prior to Fleener's injury Dwayne Allen was the every down TE and Fleener was a situational guy.fyi, ur incorrect about allen and indy. they were using him as a fb almost, a lot of h-back stuff and fleener as the inline TE...

BlueSanta
02-25-2013, 01:30 AM
fyi, ur incorrect about allen and indy. they were using him as a fb almost, a lot of h-back stuff and fleener as the inline TE...

He played H-back some yes, but a guy doesnt lose points because he is so versatile he can play multiple positions.

Allen got more snaps and was on the 1st team, Fleener was not. In fact, as early as the 2012 minicamp Allen was getting snaps with the 1st team and Fleener was not. The same happened in the regular season, even when Fleener was healthy. Allen played BOTH TE and H-Back last year and was on the field far more then Fleener.

He was bigger factor in the run game AND the passing game.

nycsportzfan
02-25-2013, 09:28 AM
You are comparing measurables, I am comparing football players. And for the record, Fleener absolutely did NOT outproduce Ertz. It isnt even close. YOu lose the disagreement right there for lack of knowledge.

In 2011, with Andrew Luck at the helm, Stanford passed the ball far more than they did in 2012. Luck had 404 pass attempts and of those Fleener caught a meager 34.

In 2012, Josh Nunes had a meager 235 pass attempts and Ertz caught a whopping 69 of them. Ertz also had like 3 game winning TD catches , 2 of them against top 15 ranked teams. He also had the game tieing TD catch vs the then #1 ranked oregnon team. Fact is, he played HUGE in big games.



Its not even close.....Here is a quote for you from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/zach-ertz?id=2540158) :

"In 2012 Ertz doubled Coby Fleener’s production from the year before, earning All-American honors as a Mackey Award finalist."


So what was that about Fleener outproducing Ertz?


So you go ahead and stick with your measurables. I will stick with Football players. And for the record, Fleener's measurables were WAY better than Dwayne Allen's last year. Yet, guess who was higher in the depth chart in Indy? Even prior to Fleener's injury Dwayne Allen was the every down TE and Fleener was a situational guy. Ya, people got on me bigtime for having Dwayne Allen ahead of all the TE's, but in the end, he had a really good rookie season, and showed off some verstility and really has a bright future..

juice33s
02-25-2013, 09:45 AM
You are comparing measurables, I am comparing football players. And for the record, Fleener absolutely did NOT outproduce Ertz. It isnt even close. YOu lose the disagreement right there for lack of knowledge. In 2011, with Andrew Luck at the helm, Stanford passed the ball far more than they did in 2012. Luck had 404 pass attempts and of those Fleener caught a meager 34.In 2012, Josh Nunes had a meager 235 pass attempts and Ertz caught a whopping 69 of them. Ertz also had like 3 game winning TD catches , 2 of them against top 15 ranked teams. He also had the game tieing TD catch vs the then #1 ranked oregnon team. Fact is, he played HUGE in big games. Its not even close.....Here is a quote for you from NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/zach-ertz?id=2540158) :"In 2012 Ertz doubled Coby Fleener’s production from the year before, earning All-American honors as a Mackey Award finalist."So what was that about Fleener outproducing Ertz? So you go ahead and stick with your measurables. I will stick with Football players. And for the record, Fleener's measurables were WAY better than Dwayne Allen's last year. Yet, guess who was higher in the depth chart in Indy? Even prior to Fleener's injury Dwayne Allen was the every down TE and Fleener was a situational guy. Lol, u loose the argument for not being able to read you jack wagon....I was comparing fleener to eifert, not ertz. But if you want to go there, did u ever consider that fleener not being there anymore made ertz a higher priority in the qb's progressions? And who out produced who when they were actually on the field together?....yeah that's what I thought

BlueSanta
02-25-2013, 10:25 AM
Lol, u loose the argument for not being able to read you jack wagon....I was comparing fleener to eifert, not ertz. But if you want to go there, did u ever consider that fleener not being there anymore made ertz a higher priority in the qb's progressions? And who out produced who when they were actually on the field together?....yeah that's what I thought

Typically when you make a statement like "X person outproduced Y person" you should actually research that fact and make sure it is true. Because again, it is not true at all.

Eifert had 50 receptions in a offense that barely threw the ball(318 pasing attempts.) He was double teamed on more plays than not and was the teams leading reciever. He was the best player on that offense...by far.

Fleener had 34 receptions on a team that passed far more often(404 pass attempts) and had a FAR better QB and he wasnt even close to the leading reciever. .He was not double teamed often at all and wasnt close to the best player on that offense.

Clearly you dont like doing research. So I will help you out with a link regarding Ertz vs Fleener......http://nfbc.nbcsports.com/headlines/cfb/22901/stanford-coaches-preferred-ertz-over-fleener

Here is a quote " The NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah tweeted that after speaking to "several" Stanford coaches about Coby Fleener prior to the 2012 Draft, all of them considered Zach Ertz their best TE."


Or if the Stanford coaches arent enough of a source for you here is a comment made by a scout last year at the draft :http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/22/scout-says-fleener-might-be-the-most-overrated-guy-in-the-draft/

Here is a quote from that link :“He wasn’t even the best tight end on their team,” the scout said



I beleive this topic is done. Or you can keep digging your grave with misinformation as you have done to this point.

nycsportzfan
02-25-2013, 10:47 AM
Man, Margus Hunt is a flat out frrreeaaakkk! 4.60 and 4.65 at 277lbs and very long! This guys got a bright future.. Kinda JJ Watt like..

nycsportzfan
02-25-2013, 10:51 AM
Stop arguing guys! WHy can't people just respect peoples opinions on here without being dinks? I especially get annoyed when its regular contributors, because we should all know eachother enough by now, and realize were all gonna see prospects alittle diffrently..

tdawg1413
02-25-2013, 10:57 AM
Man, Margus Hunt is a flat out frrreeaaakkk! 4.60 and 4.65 at 277lbs and very long! This guys got a bright future.. Kinda JJ Watt like..

He certainly is. Problem with him is he is still raw and is going to be 26 years old when the season starts.

BlueSabbath
02-25-2013, 10:59 AM
This a fast year for DEs it seems. Ansah looks like he moves really well for his size... and fast.

Jordan Hill moves EXTREMELY well! Datone Jones... man, these guys look great