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TCHOF
02-24-2013, 08:12 PM
What are the things that turn you off the most about a draft prospect when you see it in his scouting report?

For me its "questionable motor" and "takes plays off".

For you guys who watch a lot of film, what turns you off about a prospect on film?

titwio
02-24-2013, 08:17 PM
"Lacks physicality"...."not a hands catcher"

BigBlueAllDay
02-24-2013, 08:26 PM
Character issues. A history of DUI, theft, and failing a drug test for Alec Ogletree while Teo is getting his balls broken over a fake girlfriend. lol

Carter.525
02-24-2013, 08:39 PM
LSU DE Sam Montgomery admitted to taking plays, and even full games, off during his NFL Combine interview.

"Some weeks when we didn’t have to play the harder teams, there were some times when effort was not needed," Montgomery said. "But when we had the big boys coming in, the ‘Bamas or the South Carolinas, I grabbed close to those guys and went all out." Montgomery has a side bet with former teammate Barkevious Mingo on who will be drafted first, and we think the latter has it in the bag. This only solidifies that.
Source: ProFootballTalk on NBC Sports

this ^^^

RoanokeFan
02-24-2013, 08:49 PM
Women with....OH WAIT :o

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 09:13 PM
Lots of things. Character issues, hot/cold motor. Any sort of issues with coaching. Then a lot of specific stuff for every position. Length on defense I find particularly important.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 09:45 PM
For some reason when I hear, " He is not the fastest, not the biggest or the strongest but he is a football player ".

Carter.525
02-24-2013, 09:46 PM
"tweener"

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 09:55 PM
"tweener"

really? I love lots of those guys.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 10:14 PM
really? I love lots of those guys.
Clint Sintim comes to mind.

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 10:15 PM
Clint Sintim comes to mind.

Yea, but the reason he didnt pan out had nothing to do with him being a tweener.

BlueBlooded1979
02-24-2013, 10:16 PM
For some reason when I hear, " He is not the fastest, not the biggest or the strongest but he is a football player ".

I like those guys and guys that are "better pro prospect than collegiate player"

Scary phrases are "workout warrior with limited production", "heavy legged waisted bender", "cover 2 corner", "box safety", "2 down LB" ,"projects as a <insert different position>"

It is also very creepy when Mayock, who I think is a great evaluator, says guys have "big beautiful bodies"

Toadofsteel
02-24-2013, 10:18 PM
My biggest worry is people who think they know everything. There's always something to learn when adjusting to the NFL. Look at Wilson... he thought he knew everything he needed to play RB.

Carter.525
02-24-2013, 10:18 PM
really? I love lots of those guys.

I'm talking the 3-4 OLBs.. if they can play 4-3 DE or 4-3 LB..

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 10:22 PM
I'm talking the 3-4 OLBs.. if they can play 4-3 DE or 4-3 LB..

A lot of those guys would fit fine in a 4-3 though.

Being an undersized DE and a decent player in space works fine. Use them at LB and at DE. Just like Denver does with Von miller.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 10:26 PM
Clint Sintim comes to mind.


Yea, but the reason he didnt pan out had nothing to do with him being a tweener.
I don't know if the fact that he just could not stay healthy was a big part of him not progressing as a pro but he was highly ranked coming out of college, had good coaching under Al Groh that had nothing but good things to say about him.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 10:27 PM
Clint Sintim comes to mind.


I'm talking the 3-4 OLBs.. if they can play 4-3 DE or 4-3 LB..
Clint Sintim name comes out again.

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 10:28 PM
I don't know if the fact that he just could not stay healthy was a big part of him not progressing as a pro but he was highly ranked coming out of college, had good coaching under Al Groh that had nothing but good things to say about him.

He was just soft. He was athletic enough to play in the nfl. But gave no effort and got pushed around. At 255 pounds he should have been pushing offensive players around.

Carter.525
02-24-2013, 10:29 PM
He was just soft. He was athletic enough to play in the nfl. But gave no effort and got pushed around. At 255 pounds he should have been pushing offensive players around.

I thought NY had the starting SAM for the next 10 years with Sintim..

penguinfarmer
02-24-2013, 10:31 PM
Plenty of college defensive ends translate to LBs in both schemes. 4-3 is more prevalent, and plenty are used as an elephant end in college anyway. Sintim was far too tentative to play any position.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 10:32 PM
Clint Sintim comes to mind.


I like those guys and guys that are "better pro prospect than collegiate player"

Scary phrases are "workout warrior with limited production", "heavy legged waisted bender", "cover 2 corner", "box safety", "2 down LB" ,"projects as a <insert different position>"

It is also very creepy when Mayock, who I think is a great evaluator, says guys have "big beautiful bodies"
Its a crap shot. If a GM takes this kind of player ( " the football player ) and pan out he is a genious but more often than the project goes south.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 10:40 PM
Clint Sintim comes to mind.


He was just soft. He was athletic enough to play in the nfl. But gave no effort and got pushed around. At 255 pounds he should have been pushing offensive players around.
That wasn't the case when he was in VT. He was relentless and very physical. He played DE as well as any LB position. Something went very wrong with Clint and I can't put my finger on the reason why he faded. That been said the ACL injuries didn't help much.

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 10:44 PM
That wasn't the case when he was in VT. He was relentless and very physical. He played DE as well as any LB position. Something went very wrong with Clint and I can't put my finger on the reason why he faded. That been said the ACL injuries didn't help much.

He wasent that physical in college either. He ran around guys a lot and danced around. Didn't see him run through guys often.

ELI_HOF_NYG
02-24-2013, 10:46 PM
He wasent that physical in college either. He ran around guys a lot and danced around. Didn't see him run through guys often.

are jerry and the boys just that bad at rating LB talent? or not enough value placed on position?

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 10:49 PM
are jerry and the boys just that bad at rating LB talent? or not enough value placed on position?

I think they just haven't found value when they picked in the early rounds there. And if you look back it's not like they always pass on top guys.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 11:05 PM
Clint Sintim comes to mind.


He wasent that physical in college either. He ran around guys a lot and danced around. Didn't see him run through guys often.
The odd part is that Reese and Co. were very highy on him and quite frankly never knew what role they had in mind for him. The name of Reggie Torbor comes to mind too when I think about Sintim but Reggie was an above average ST player and I will always be thankful for his contributions in SB 42.

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 11:08 PM
The odd part is that Reese and Co. were very highy on him and quite frankly never knew what role they had in mind for him. The name of Reggie Torbor comes to mind too when I think about Sintim but Reggie was an above average ST player and I will always be thankful for his contributions in SB 42.

Eh? They absolutely had a well defined role for Sintim. Sheridan had installed a 50 front defense which is similar to what Dallas runs, and Sintim would have been the giants equivalent of Anthony spencer. Same exact position.

And frankly, sintim being awful played a large part in Sheridan getting fired. Those two went hand in hand. Once Sheridan was gone then sintim had no future with the giants, but he already showed he had no future in the Nfl anyway.

G-Men Surg.
02-24-2013, 11:17 PM
Clint Sintim comes to mind.


Eh? They absolutely had a well defined role for Sintim. Sheridan had installed a 50 front defense which is similar to what Dallas runs, and Sintim would have been the giants equivalent of Anthony spencer. Same exact position.
Ha, like you said, would have but he never did. At first it looked like the coaches didn't had confidence in him and the rest is history.

slipknottin
02-24-2013, 11:20 PM
Ha, like you said, would have but he never did. At first it looked like the coaches didn't had confidence in him and the rest is history.

Well he was given a role that should have suited him perfectly. But he just got manhandled by TEs and FBs and even HBs. Even on STs where someone his size should scare the heck out of people he was a total non factor

G-Men Surg.
02-25-2013, 12:54 AM
Clint Sintim comes to mind.


Well he was given a role that should have suited him perfectly. But he just got manhandled by TEs and FBs and even HBs. Even on STs where someone his size should scare the heck out of people he was a total non factor

Sad ending for a promising young talent.
One thing I banking on is if Reese goes thru the draft to find Blackburn's replacement even if he gets resigned I don't want any more projects or so called LB tweeners playing in the middle of the D. Its time to find a true MLB with some " teeth " and well needed attitude.