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sethm
03-21-2013, 09:49 AM
Reports have circulated that the Giants want to restructure the contract of David Diehl, but no agreement has yet been announced.
According ESPN the Giants are very interested in signing Boothe but have a CAP problem. According to Spotrak the Giants are at $121,359,531
of the 123 million. Apparently they are talking with Diehl to restructure his contract.

on a related issue this paragraph re Eli restructure from in todays Post quoting John Mara"

ďThatís always an option at some point in time, but heís proven to be worth the amount of salary-cap space thatís been allocated to him,íí Mara said. ďThatís something you could always do at some point to create more room. But again, the more room you create in current years, you have to pay that back at some point in time, and you donít want to put yourself in a position where you are in salary-cap jail and youíre forced to cut an inordinate number of players. Thatís something that may be discussed at some point in the future, but thatís not on our radar right now.Ē

Simply put we are nowhere without a better than Avg OL. I am not saying Boothe is an all pro but he was I think one of the most versatile and at times best of the bunch.

Mercury
03-21-2013, 09:53 AM
Boothe is a solid LG. You can do better and you can do worse. We need $$$ to resign.

titwio
03-21-2013, 09:55 AM
I thought they already restructured Diehl.

I don't agree that Boothe needs to be locked up. It would be a good thing but he's not elite at the position and he could end up getting overpaid. The Giants have guys like Mosley and Cordle who IMO are not far off in overall talent. Granted they're not proven but the Giants still have a chance of landing guys in the draft like Cooper or Warford also.

I don't think the re-signing of Boothe should be all that urgent....not yet just in my opinion.

Shockeyitus
03-21-2013, 10:01 AM
I disagree that he needs to be "locked up". Boothe is a good player, but he has a Super Bowl ring now and he will be looking to cash in. Its nothing personal from him, but he wants to be paid and I dont think the Giants should give a long term deal to a SOLID player.

Drez
03-21-2013, 10:34 AM
If we're an average OL, it'll be an improvement over the last two seasons, lol.

sethm
03-21-2013, 10:37 AM
I disagree that he needs to be "locked up". Boothe is a good player, but he has a Super Bowl ring now and he will be looking to cash in. Its nothing personal from him, but he wants to be paid and I dont think the Giants should give a long term deal to a SOLID player.

Huh? Your point is if I understand it, is that if you have a reliable piece of a team that as you state is a "SOLID" player you are against signing a long term deal. I really do not get that philosophy. Not every position, in fact most positions are not all-pro caliber. You want a team that is solid in all areas. You get a piece that is as you say solid you try to keep them.

That said, he is in my opinion the best option at this time. A known commodity that is very familiar with the system and a continued continuity on the OL pays larger dividends down the road.

TheAnalyst
03-21-2013, 10:44 AM
We just need to draft well if we are in salary cap hell. Plug holes through the draft instead of paying in FA. Thats how good teams become great. I would not be opposed to draft a OL in the first, even though I hate it, I completely understand it. You have to have solid trenches. DTs who can stuff the run and push back the LOS, DE's who can explode and attack in the backfield, C's and G's who can open lanes and T's who can block speed/power rushers. If you have all those bases covered, I dont care who else you have on your team, you are going to be a playoff team.

FishinTheSalt
03-21-2013, 10:59 AM
I gotta think we can't lock down boothe and cruz. I'm thinking one or the other. I could be wrong, I just don't see us keeping both. Gotta see what happens with cruz first.

Shockeyitus
03-21-2013, 11:00 AM
Huh? Your point is if I understand it, is that if you have a reliable piece of a team that as you state is a "SOLID" player you are against signing a long term deal. I really do not get that philosophy. Not every position, in fact most positions are not all-pro caliber. You want a team that is solid in all areas. You get a piece that is as you say solid you try to keep them.

That said, he is in my opinion the best option at this time. A known commodity that is very familiar with the system and a continued continuity on the OL pays larger dividends down the road.

Boothe will be 30 years old at the start of the season. Giving him a long term deal and tying up funds would be unwise. Develop Mosley, pick up a Willie Colon or draft a young stud to replace Boothe is the most cost efficient option.

Redeyejedi
03-21-2013, 11:13 AM
Define Locked up, he is an average LG. locked up like 2 years 5 million or are u talking 4 years 16 million

sethm
03-21-2013, 11:27 AM
Define Locked up, he is an average LG. locked up like 2 years 5 million or are u talking 4 years 16 million

That's the rub, I am no coach so my opinion of his ability relies on the eyeball test and in my opinion he is average or better against top Dline play. He is partial to penalties but they may be all due to the different positioning he has had to adjust to. He seems to have good feet and good burst to get out front. I think that your question is very valid so I will be a coward and answer that it should be 3 years 11 million 2 million signing bonus

KATKAVAGE75
03-21-2013, 11:27 AM
Yes. Solid B+ guard. I think he stays. I think he would have left already if the crazy money was offered.
Just get Boothe & Cruz on board and I like our chances vs any team in the league.

darrin99
03-21-2013, 11:39 AM
Yes. Solid B+ guard. I think he stays. I think he would have left already if the crazy money was offered.
Just get Boothe & Cruz on board and I like our chances vs any team in the league.

B+ would put him in above average territory which he is not. He's average at best. I'd like to see him back at the right price, but I'm not going to shed any tears if he leaves.

RagTime Blue
03-21-2013, 11:49 AM
Most athletes play with the most motivation, and perform best, during their year prior to free agency. If you agree with this, then we can assume that last season is the absolute best that Boothe will play. With that as his ceiling (not likely to be matched), how much do you pay him?

giants8493
03-21-2013, 11:49 AM
B+ would put him in above average territory which he is not. He's average at best. I'd like to see him back at the right price, but I'm not going to shed any tears if he leaves. Right he is a c+ guard.

Morehead State
03-21-2013, 12:10 PM
Reports have circulated that the Giants want to restructure the contract of David Diehl, but no agreement has yet been announced.
According ESPN the Giants are very interested in signing Boothe but have a CAP problem. According to Spotrak the Giants are at $121,359,531
of the 123 million. Apparently they are talking with Diehl to restructure his contract.

on a related issue this paragraph re Eli restructure from in todays Post quoting John Mara"

ďThatís always an option at some point in time, but heís proven to be worth the amount of salary-cap space thatís been allocated to him,íí Mara said. ďThatís something you could always do at some point to create more room. But again, the more room you create in current years, you have to pay that back at some point in time, and you donít want to put yourself in a position where you are in salary-cap jail and youíre forced to cut an inordinate number of players. Thatís something that may be discussed at some point in the future, but thatís not on our radar right now.Ē

Simply put we are nowhere without a better than Avg OL. I am not saying Boothe is an all pro but he was I think one of the most versatile and at times best of the bunch.
I' feel a lot better focusing on a RT. Maybe Vollmer or Winston. I'm actually OK with a rook at LG if that's necessary.

ryan12
03-21-2013, 12:16 PM
I' feel a lot better focusing on a RT. Maybe Vollmer or Winston. I'm actually OK with a rook at LG if that's necessary.

agreed but curious to see what mosley brings to table at lg

StrahanSoup92
03-21-2013, 12:25 PM
Right he is a c+ guard.

Agreed, like most players discussed on these boards, Boothe is overhyped. Hes nothing special.

StrahanSoup92
03-21-2013, 12:26 PM
I' feel a lot better focusing on a RT. Maybe Vollmer or Winston. I'm actually OK with a rook at LG if that's necessary.

It would be nice, but Diehl hasnt been cut. They just arent looking for a RT, thats obvious. Diehl will be the starting RT next season.

RoanokeFan
03-21-2013, 12:30 PM
Reports have circulated that the Giants want to restructure the contract of David Diehl, but no agreement has yet been announced.
According ESPN the Giants are very interested in signing Boothe but have a CAP problem. According to Spotrak the Giants are at $121,359,531
of the 123 million. Apparently they are talking with Diehl to restructure his contract.

on a related issue this paragraph re Eli restructure from in todays Post quoting John Mara"

“That’s always an option at some point in time, but he’s proven to be worth the amount of salary-cap space that’s been allocated to him,’’ Mara said. “That’s something you could always do at some point to create more room. But again, the more room you create in current years, you have to pay that back at some point in time, and you don’t want to put yourself in a position where you are in salary-cap jail and you’re forced to cut an inordinate number of players. That’s something that may be discussed at some point in the future, but that’s not on our radar right now.”

Simply put we are nowhere without a better than Avg OL. I am not saying Boothe is an all pro but he was I think one of the most versatile and at times best of the bunch.

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Drez
03-21-2013, 12:34 PM
Huh? Your point is if I understand it, is that if you have a reliable piece of a team that as you state is a "SOLID" player you are against signing a long term deal. I really do not get that philosophy. Not every position, in fact most positions are not all-pro caliber. You want a team that is solid in all areas. You get a piece that is as you say solid you try to keep them.

That said, he is in my opinion the best option at this time. A known commodity that is very familiar with the system and a continued continuity on the OL pays larger dividends down the road.I think his point is that he doesn't want to have to overpay for Boothe, as Boothe is likely looking for his big payday.

RoanokeFan
03-21-2013, 01:07 PM
Boothe will be 30 years old at the start of the season. Giving him a long term deal and tying up funds would be unwise. Develop Mosley, pick up a Willie Colon or draft a young stud to replace Boothe is the most cost efficient option.

If the goal is to be in contention you'd rather have Boothe. He hasn't gotten any offers as far as we know, so his accepting price might not be prohibitive now.

giantsfan420
03-21-2013, 01:11 PM
id rather just draft warmack/cooper, get a much higher level of play for cheaper because of the rookie pay scale...itd be nice if we could wait til after the draft to decide what to do with boothe

RoanokeFan
03-21-2013, 01:13 PM
id rather just draft warmack/cooper, get a much higher level of play for cheaper because of the rookie pay scale...itd be nice if we could wait til after the draft to decide what to do with boothe

How do you know what level of play you're going to get from any draft pick?

sethm
03-21-2013, 02:22 PM
I think his point is that he doesn't want to have to overpay for Boothe, as Boothe is likely looking for his big payday.

The logic fails me sorry. Bird in the hand...at the right price I agree though

JJC7301
03-21-2013, 11:47 PM
I thought they already restructured Diehl.

I don't agree that Boothe needs to be locked up. It would be a good thing but he's not elite at the position and he could end up getting overpaid. The Giants have guys like Mosley and Cordle who IMO are not far off in overall talent. Granted they're not proven but the Giants still have a chance of landing guys in the draft like Cooper or Warford also.

I don't think the re-signing of Boothe should be all that urgent....not yet just in my opinion.
I like Boothe, but I agree with you. And with all due respect to Diehl who I really loved as a Giant, he needs a serious pay cut. I'd really like to have him back as a back-up, but he's best days or WAAAAYYYY gone and he's only worthy maybe 1/3 of his current salary.

jomo
03-22-2013, 01:19 AM
We need better than Boothe if our OL is going to be upgraded from last year. I would like Boothe as depth for several spots along the OL and at a modest price. As our starter, we need a masher who can actually move a DL off the line of scrimmage. If we can't find that person then we need someone of equal talent at a low price. If Boothe has suiters for big numbers, we don't need to chase him.

L.T.56
03-22-2013, 01:27 AM
there are some good lineman in the draft. if not jockel they could go get menlik watson or howie long's other son, chris long.

jomo
03-22-2013, 01:35 AM
there are some good lineman in the draft. if not jockel they could go get menlik watson or howie long's other son, chris long.I'll take an upgrade wherever we can find it. We need to get back to physical. We have too many dancing bears on this team including Beatty, Osi, Boothe etc.

sethm
03-22-2013, 12:22 PM
We need better than Boothe if our OL is going to be upgraded from last year. I would like Boothe as depth for several spots along the OL and at a modest price. As our starter, we need a masher who can actually move a DL off the line of scrimmage. If we can't find that person then we need someone of equal talent at a low price. If Boothe has suiters for big numbers, we don't need to chase him.

I agree no chasing Boothe if he gets a sniff from someone else. I do not agree that he is not good enough to be a solid starter in this league.