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GiantsJersey
03-21-2013, 11:29 AM
Giants | Conditioning an issue for Jason Pierre-Paul
Thu, 21 Mar 2013 07:00:03 -0700

New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin blamed DE Jason Pierre-Paul's disappointing 2012 season on conditioning issues.



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Cloud57
03-21-2013, 11:31 AM
JPP is becoming lazy :D

JPP looked great in the probowl, I hope he continue to play like that in the regular season

dakotajoe
03-21-2013, 11:33 AM
A 23-24 year old pro athlete who can do 25 back-flips in a row has conditioning issues? ugh....Coughlin stating that is very uncomplimentary to JPP.

ShakeandBake
03-21-2013, 11:36 AM
A 23-24 year old pro athlete who can do 25 back-flips in a row has conditioning issues? ugh....Coughlin stating that is very uncomplimentary to JPP.

What does the ability to do 25 back flips in a row have to do with being able to play hard for the full 60minutes each week?

TCHOF
03-21-2013, 11:38 AM
I do not like that at all.

Rudyy
03-21-2013, 11:39 AM
http://boards.giants.com/showthread.php?26725-Did-JPP-gain-weight

dakotajoe
03-21-2013, 11:44 AM
What does the ability to do 25 back flips in a row have to do with being able to play hard for the full 60minutes each week?

It demonstrates an amazing athletic ability for his size. Anyone with that type of athletic ability at that age should have no excuse for being anything other than well conditioned. I'm just surprised if Coughlin really said that, that's all.

Flip Empty
03-21-2013, 11:44 AM
He needs to up his ice tub-dunking reps.

giants8493
03-21-2013, 11:45 AM
What does the ability to do 25 back flips in a row have to do with being able to play hard for the full 60minutes each week?It means he has good conditioning. remember its really only 10 seconds of movement and 40 seconds of rest. In addition to a rotation.

fansince69
03-21-2013, 11:50 AM
It means he has good conditioning. remember its really only 10 seconds of movement and 40 seconds of rest. In addition to a rotation.That means he WAS in good condition when he did that prior to the draft....It does not mean he hasn't gotten complacent in the last 2 years because of all the press hes gotten from the media and the fans....perhaps this was Coughlins way of lighting a fire under him...Lets all be honest....he was not quite the same player last year as the year before....it is possible he didn't work as hard as he should have.....It does happen

RagTime Blue
03-21-2013, 11:52 AM
With all due respect, the last time I saw him do 25 back flips was well before his own draft.

((Damn, someone beat me to the point))

titwio
03-21-2013, 11:54 AM
I remember him saying something like his weight gain last year was "becoming a man"...or something like that.

slipknottin
03-21-2013, 11:57 AM
He was 290 last season when the offseason started. He looked to me all season to be a bit slower and a little stiffer. But did seem stronger.

Probably a balancing act to find where they want him.
Coughlin seems to want him at ~275. So I'm sure he will come in closer to that weight this offseason and we will see how he does. He has to learn how to fight through double teams as well.

But I'm not sure conditioning is the proper word there, he played way more snaps than any of the other DL, and he's much heavier than they are

dakotajoe
03-21-2013, 11:58 AM
..perhaps this was Coughlins way of lighting a fire under him..

Probably. Sometimes players experiment with there weight to find out what works best for them. The conditioning part can always be worked on.

RagTime Blue
03-21-2013, 12:00 PM
I guess every year people talk about draftees and how "if they just BULK-UP. . .". I guess we're seeing here the upper limits of what is effective for a player.

ShakeandBake
03-21-2013, 12:01 PM
It demonstrates an amazing athletic ability for his size. Anyone with that type of athletic ability at that age should have no excuse for being anything other than well conditioned. I'm just surprised if Coughlin really said that, that's all.

Yeah it shows he has athletic ability I agree, but that has nothing to do with condition especially considering that was what over two years ago now? That being said I don't think it will be an issue I think Coughlin is just trying to motive our guys which is much needed.

ryan12
03-21-2013, 12:15 PM
he gained weight last year... he was also doubled teamed alot last year

byron
03-21-2013, 12:18 PM
Yeah it shows he has athletic ability I agree, but that has nothing to do with condition especially considering that was what over two years ago now? That being said I don't think it will be an issue I think Coughlin is just trying to motive our guys which is much needed. they played flat as hell some games they could use a real leader... someone like M Strahan would be nice ....

GameTime
03-21-2013, 12:21 PM
they mentioned that a few times during the season. Even Fewel eluded to that when JPP had to taker a bigger role when Tuck was hurt. mentioned all the extra plays was taking its toll on him later in the games.

StrahanSoup92
03-21-2013, 12:30 PM
If thats the case, then you can blaim the performance of the entire defense on conditioning. We went down this road a few years ago too, Coughlin brought in new conditioning specialists, and it actually helped the following season. Perhaps thats why Rolle is still on the roster, and Tuck for that matter.

StrahanSoup92
03-21-2013, 12:32 PM
he gained weight last year... he was also doubled teamed alot last year

A lot yes.

RoanokeFan
03-21-2013, 12:33 PM
A 23-24 year old pro athlete who can do 25 back-flips in a row has conditioning issues? ugh....Coughlin stating that is very uncomplimentary to JPP.

Sometimes the truth hurts

ShakeandBake
03-21-2013, 12:52 PM
they played flat as hell some games they could use a real leader... someone like M Strahan would be nice ....

Yeah its pathetic that he had to come back twice last year to try and motivate these guys

TheAnalyst
03-21-2013, 01:04 PM
I think him and Cruz had wake up calls last year after killing it in 2011 and winning it all. Hopefully they are ready to dominate again in 2013.

Eli also looked like he was not in great "condition". His ARM looked tired a bunch. Probably the short offseason after winning the superbowl.

NWKEffectElement
03-21-2013, 01:17 PM
What does the ability to do 25 back flips in a row have to do with being able to play hard for the full 60minutes each week?

I believe he was hinting toward his God given ability.

wayoutwest
03-21-2013, 01:18 PM
If Coughlin said it then it is true, The man is a no b.s. individual. Kind of worrisome if you ask me.

NJAquaman
03-21-2013, 01:19 PM
JPP is becoming lazy :D

JPP looked great in the probowl, I hope he continue to play like that in the regular season

I would not take his Pro Bowl play as an indicator because many players go half speed...

ShakeandBake
03-21-2013, 01:25 PM
I believe he was hinting toward his God given ability.

Yes we know he is athletic, doesn't necessarily mean he has been keeping up with his conditioning

B&RWarrior
03-21-2013, 01:29 PM
I hope he'll be back in shape this year. He's young. I think he, and perhaps the team in general, partied too hard.

kissjrj
03-21-2013, 01:55 PM
The defense needs a leader that can light a fire under their collective asses. If Tuck is that leader, how much gravitas can he possibly muster in the huddle when everyone acknowledges that even his production fell off last year?

YATittle1962
03-21-2013, 01:57 PM
It means he has good conditioning. remember its really only 10 seconds of movement and 40 seconds of rest. In addition to a rotation.

wow!
you never played the game huh?

it's pretty clear by this statement

and backflips or handsprings have absolutely nothing to do with conditioning .....zero

plus Jason put on a bit of weight on the teams recommendation which makes it harder to stay conditioned

still no excuse

GeoGoGo
03-21-2013, 01:59 PM
A 23-24 year old pro athlete who can do 25 back-flips in a row has conditioning issues? ugh....Coughlin stating that is very uncomplimentary to JPP.

I think that was Coughlin's intention.

NWKEffectElement
03-21-2013, 02:41 PM
Yes we know he is athletic, doesn't necessarily mean he has been keeping up with his conditioning

True indeed. He won young and dominated almost purely off his talent. He REALLY enjoyed the spoils, I witnessed that a club in West Palm Beach last yr. Let's just say me made the most of it.

He will be back next yr. Pretty sure he knows it won't be that easy every yr.

DownWitJPP
03-21-2013, 03:15 PM
yes these are professional athletes and they should be in tip top shape at all times, but if the coaching staff see's that it's players are having conditioning problems then that is on them also. Make these dudes run sprints and gassers until they puke like they did in high school. No excuses on JPP's part either, you are a professional, get it together man

tonyt830
03-21-2013, 03:33 PM
I too think that the double teams and extra weight both contributed to a drop off in his numbers. Like other mentioned, hopefully he comes into camp at 275, I think a good playing weight for JPP. Strength does help a D-linemen, but working on technique goes a long way as well.

Hopefully Jenkins at DT will help to get that push up the middle, especially if JPP keeps getting doubled.

B&RWarrior
03-21-2013, 03:37 PM
wow!
you never played the game huh?

it's pretty clear by this statement

and backflips or handsprings have absolutely nothing to do with conditioning .....zero

plus Jason put on a bit of weight on the teams recommendation which makes it harder to stay conditioned

still no excuse


C'mon YA give it up after reading: Quote Originally Posted by giants8493 View Post

It means he has good conditioning. remember its really only 10 seconds of movement and 40 seconds of rest. In addition to a rotation.

clearly he is "I will never admit I'm wrong" mode

B&RWarrior
03-21-2013, 03:40 PM
He put on weight really fast as a rookie so he may need to keep up his conditioning to stay in shape. This might be something new for somebody with such natural talent.

Shockeystays08
03-21-2013, 03:47 PM
It demonstrates an amazing athletic ability for his size. Anyone with that type of athletic ability at that age should have no excuse for being anything other than well conditioned. I'm just surprised if Coughlin really said that, that's all.

It's to bad you had to explain your point. I thought it was obvious.

TroyArcher
03-21-2013, 03:47 PM
JPP is becoming lazy :D

JPP looked great in the probowl, I hope he continue to play like that in the regular season

The Pro Bowl? Are you kidding?

BigBlue wins
03-21-2013, 04:04 PM
Never had to deal with weight gain but keeping the same performance...Im sure its very hard to do.

Then again I've never played football, just tons of rugby...and as a back

ironfox
03-21-2013, 04:04 PM
maybe it was because he was the only de who gave 110% on every play he was in on.

giants8493
03-21-2013, 04:18 PM
wow!
you never played the game huh?

it's pretty clear by this statement

and backflips or handsprings have absolutely nothing to do with conditioning .....zero

plus Jason put on a bit of weight on the teams recommendation which makes it harder to stay conditioned

still no excuseActually I play collage ball right now... and yes it does. Back flips are exhausting and doing 25 is really tiring. Its better conditioning IMO then running 3 miles.

YATittle1962
03-21-2013, 05:16 PM
Actually I play collage ball right now... and yes it does. Back flips are exhausting and doing 25 is really tiring. Its better conditioning IMO then running 3 miles.

backflips better conditioning than running 3 miles.....right

wow

AGiantDynasty
03-21-2013, 05:23 PM
There seemed to be a lack of passion and intensity by JPP last season. I seriously hope he hasn't already gotten complacent with his early personal and team success.. Glad coughlin is trying light a fire under his ***.

giants8493
03-21-2013, 05:26 PM
backflips better conditioning than running 3 miles.....right

wowI can run 3 miles easy. by backflip 5 im out of breath. I don't dare try a 6th.... Of coarse this is my personal experience and I suppose it could be different for you.

YATittle1962
03-21-2013, 05:30 PM
I can run 3 miles easy. by backflip 5 im out of breath. I don't dare try a 6th.... Of coarse this is my personal experience and I suppose it could be different for you.

all this means is that your body is conditioned to run and not conditioned for backflips

just as being conditioned to do back flips is completely different than being conditioned to play football

pino
03-21-2013, 07:14 PM
I have to credit my buddy for saying this day one. He said he looks fat and unconditioned. Well, turns out he was right.

Morehead State
03-21-2013, 07:52 PM
I love TC already. But he just went even higher in my view by publicly saying that JPP was a fatty.
That is awesome!

Morehead State
03-21-2013, 07:54 PM
I can run 3 miles easy. by backflip 5 im out of breath. I don't dare try a 6th.... Of coarse this is my personal experience and I suppose it could be different for you.
For the record...JPP didn't do backflips. He did back handsprings. Wilson does backflips.

Morehead State
03-21-2013, 07:57 PM
Jam your Pie hole with Pizza.

JustinTuckNYG91
03-21-2013, 07:59 PM
he gained weight last year... he was also doubled teamed alot last year

That was a point I was going to bring up as well. The formula to stop our once vaunted pass rush last year had been to double team JPP as others on the D-line weren't doing too much.

B&RWarrior
03-21-2013, 08:03 PM
I didn't think his play was that bad last year, in fact I though JPP improved against the run. Did he ever have that convo with Stray?

Morehead State
03-21-2013, 08:11 PM
I didn't think his play was that bad last year, in fact I though JPP improved against the run. Did he ever have that convo with Stray?
Biggest problem with JPP last year was that he was not playing his best position. He should stay this season at the RDE position. No more left side.
The presence of Osi cost JPP a lot of productivity.

B&RWarrior
03-21-2013, 08:14 PM
Biggest problem with JPP last year was that he was not playing his best position. He should stay this season at the RDE position. No more left side.
The presence of Osi cost JPP a lot of productivity.

Agreed

Morehead State
03-21-2013, 08:16 PM
Agreed
I think he's going to have a huge season now that Osi is gone.

Broadway Blue
03-21-2013, 08:23 PM
I think he's going to have a huge season now that Osi is gone.

Hopefully Tuck as well

GameTime
03-21-2013, 08:26 PM
Biggest problem with JPP last year was that he was not playing his best position. He should stay this season at the RDE position. No more left side
The presence of Osi cost JPP a lot of productivity.
thought there was thread the other day about Tuck going over to RDE and JPP mving to the left on a more permenent basis

penguinfarmer
03-21-2013, 08:31 PM
“There’s not a lot of body fat [with Pierre-Paul], yes, but still ...” Coughlin said, the frustration obvious in his voice.

Figured it would go to this. He bulked up to 291 to play inside better. It was a mistake in his body, but hardly due to laziness or negligence.

byron
03-21-2013, 08:34 PM
thought there was thread the other day about Tuck going over to RDE and JPP mving to the left on a more permenent basis I just read this

http://www.giants101.com/2013/03/19/new-york-giants-could-flip-the-positions-of-justin-tuck-and-jason-pierre-paul-in-2013/

Morehead State
03-21-2013, 08:35 PM
thought there was thread the other day about Tuck going over to RDE and JPP mving to the left on a more permenent basis
yeah I read that. it will never happen.

B&RWarrior
03-21-2013, 08:45 PM
I think he's going to have a huge season now that Osi is gone.

Depends on if Jenkins can take advantage of the one on one attention he'll get. If he can establish him self as a presence it will take some of the focus of JPP.

BlessedinBlue22
03-21-2013, 10:10 PM
Probably just dehydrated, they give them gatorade, not even H20.