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DragonSoul
12-27-2011, 08:56 PM
Just sad really. I remember having that argument on the forums before. Saying the year that Toomer hit 1300+ yards, he should have been selected to the Pro-bowl and wasn't.

So history repeats itself with Cruz.

Surprised Eli made it, considering he wasn't even in the top 100 players last year lol. Guess they did not want to look like complete morons.

AllTuckedUp
12-27-2011, 08:59 PM
It's a popularity contest and unfortunately for Cruz he isn't that popular. He just arrived on the scene this year.

Mod_C
12-27-2011, 09:03 PM
It's a popularity contest and unfortunately for Cruz he isn't that popular. He just arrived on the scene this year.

Cruz was selected as a second alternate, as was See

Eli2Nicks612
12-27-2011, 09:03 PM
Cruz was screwed because he wasn't a "starter" at the beginning of the season and wasn't on the ballot. Never mind Tim Tebow was on it. Cruz essentially lost 1/3 of potential votes. It just kind of shows you how great a season JPP has had.

TuckYou
12-27-2011, 09:51 PM
Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Larry Fitz, Greg Jennings...</P>


Who are you taking off? Those are 4 worthy pro bowlers as well. </P>

tripleaamin9
12-27-2011, 10:12 PM
if Jordy Nelson is an alternate then If the Packers make the super bowl Cruz will be in the pro bowl

ELIistheFRANCHISE
12-27-2011, 10:30 PM
Just sad really. I remember having that argument on the forums before. Saying the year that Toomer hit 1300+ yards, he should have been selected to the Pro-bowl and wasn't.

So history repeats itself with Cruz.

Surprised Eli made it, considering he wasn't even in the top 100 players last year lol. Guess they did not want to look like complete morons.
Why is it surprising, he is the main reason why this team isnt the NFC version of the Colts. He made the pro bowl bc he deserved it and the majority of the year, he has been playing like a..... pro bowler

BlueSanta
12-27-2011, 11:42 PM
Cruz was screwed because he wasn't a "starter" at the beginning of the season and wasn't on the ballot. Never mind Tim Tebow was on it. Cruz essentially lost 1/3 of potential votes. It just kind of shows you how great a season JPP has had.


Actually, he was never listed as a starter.

Our starting team consists of 2 Wrs and a FB, not 3 wrs. Its a dumb formality.

Imho they shouldnt even take a fullback to the pro bowl. Or, at the very least they should take the most vote getter between the FBs, H-backs and 3rd Wrs.

A majority of teams in the NFL dont even use a fullback anymore.

TheEnigma
12-27-2011, 11:45 PM
Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Larry Fitz, Greg Jennings...</P>


Who are you taking off? Those are 4 worthy pro bowlers as well. </P>Both Cruz and Nicks had better years stats wise than Jennings has. The argument for Jennings apparently was, "well he did good for missing some games".

Uhm, what about Nicks last year?

It's great that Eli and JPP got Pro Bowl nominations but the whole process is still a joke.

Edit: Hell, even GB's own Jordy Nelson had a better year than Greg Jennings and he got snubbed too.

gumby742
12-27-2011, 11:57 PM
Just sad really. I remember having that argument on the forums before. Saying the year that Toomer hit 1300+ yards, he should have been selected to the Pro-bowl and wasn't.

So history repeats itself with Cruz.

Surprised Eli made it, considering he wasn't even in the top 100 players last year lol. Guess they did not want to look like complete morons.

probowl is ingeneral a crap popularity contest but is done on a yearly performance basis - or should be. That top 100 poll obviously was not a one year thing, but an evaluation of the career of the individual. totally different.

PoloGroundsFan
12-28-2011, 12:04 AM
If GB goes to the SB then Cruz will be on the team. If the Giants go then Cruz will not care. Cannot argue with Johnson or Fitzgerald or for that matter with Smith, but there was no way a Packer was not going to make it. Cruz is exciting and belongs with the first 3, hopefully if the NYG do not go to the SB the Packers do & Cruz wins.

TuckYou
12-28-2011, 12:15 AM
Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Larry Fitz, Greg Jennings...</P>


Who are you taking off? Those are 4 worthy pro bowlers as well. </P>


Both Cruz and Nicks had better years stats wise than Jennings has. The argument for Jennings apparently was, "well he did good for missing some games". Uhm, what about Nicks last year? It's great that Eli and JPP got Pro Bowl nominations but the whole process is still a joke. Edit: Hell, even GB's own Jordy Nelson had a better year than Greg Jennings and he got snubbed too.</P>


Lets be honest, Jennings is a better WR then Nicks or Cruz.</P>

TheEnigma
12-28-2011, 12:26 AM
Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Larry Fitz, Greg Jennings...</P>


Who are you taking off? Those are 4 worthy pro bowlers as well. </P>


Both Cruz and Nicks had better years stats wise than Jennings has. The argument for Jennings apparently was, "well he did good for missing some games". Uhm, what about Nicks last year? It's great that Eli and JPP got Pro Bowl nominations but the whole process is still a joke. Edit: Hell, even GB's own Jordy Nelson had a better year than Greg Jennings and he got snubbed too.</P>


Lets be honest, Jennings is a better WR then Nicks or Cruz.</P>Career wise? No doubt but you're not supposed to consider previous accomplishments for a recent Pro Bowl. Adrian Peterson didn't get nominated but he's arguably the best RB in the league.

Here are the following NFC receivers with more yards than Jennings that didn't get into the Pro Bowl. I'll add TD's also to give more perspective:

Victor Cruz (1358) (8)
Roddy White (1227) (8)
Hakeem Nicks (1116) (6)
Jordy Nelson (1101) (12)
Marques Colston (998) (6)

Greg Jennings (949) (9)

Is one more touchdown really more valuable than 400+ extra yards? The fact is one of his own guys had better yards and more TD's yet got snubbed. It's another case of the fans just voting for the big name and not doing research.

DragonSoul
12-28-2011, 01:44 AM
Just sad really. I remember having that argument on the forums before. Saying the year that Toomer hit 1300+ yards, he should have been selected to the Pro-bowl and wasn't.

So history repeats itself with Cruz.

Surprised Eli made it, considering he wasn't even in the top 100 players last year lol. Guess they did not want to look like complete morons. That top 100 poll obviously was not a one year thing, but an evaluation of the career of the individual. totally different.Sorry to say it was more of a pop contest then the pro bowl. If it had anything to do with the Career it would have been different, well at least w/ppl that at least had half a brain.

DragonSoul
12-28-2011, 01:45 AM
Calvin Johnson, Steve Smith, Larry Fitz, Greg Jennings...</P>


Who are you taking off? Those are 4 worthy pro bowlers as well. </P>


Both Cruz and Nicks had better years stats wise than Jennings has. The argument for Jennings apparently was, "well he did good for missing some games". Uhm, what about Nicks last year? It's great that Eli and JPP got Pro Bowl nominations but the whole process is still a joke. Edit: Hell, even GB's own Jordy Nelson had a better year than Greg Jennings and he got snubbed too.</P>


Lets be honest, Jennings is a better WR then Nicks or Cruz.</P>Career wise? No doubt but you're not supposed to consider previous accomplishments for a recent Pro Bowl. Adrian Peterson didn't get nominated but he's arguably the best RB in the league.

Here are the following NFC receivers with more yards than Jennings that didn't get into the Pro Bowl. I'll add TD's also to give more perspective:

Victor Cruz (1358) (8)
Roddy White (1227) (8)
Hakeem Nicks (1116) (6)
Jordy Nelson (1101) (12)
Marques Colston (998) (6)

Greg Jennings (949) (9)

Is one more touchdown really more valuable than 400+ extra yards? The fact is one of his own guys had better yards and more TD's yet got snubbed. It's another case of the fans just voting for the big name and not doing research.Just saying!

Sarcasman
12-28-2011, 01:52 AM
It's a popularity contest and unfortunately for Cruz he isn't that popular. He just arrived on the scene this year.

This.

SweetZombieJesus
12-28-2011, 02:24 PM
On the flip side, since this is a popularity contents he has a chance to make it next year even if he doesn't have that good a year on the field. Everybody knows the salsa now...

MattMeyerBud
12-28-2011, 02:29 PM
Just sad really. I remember having that argument on the forums before. Saying the year that Toomer hit 1300+ yards, he should have been selected to the Pro-bowl and wasn't.

So history repeats itself with Cruz.

Surprised Eli made it, considering he wasn't even in the top 100 players last year lol. Guess they did not want to look like complete morons.

because Cruz is a young player in his second year when he was IR'd in his first year.... Toomer was in his 7th year...

he did get alternate right? He'll def play

but it is bull****, besides Calvin he had the best year out of every WR in the NFC besides Calvin

G-Man67
12-28-2011, 02:41 PM
the pro bowl is a weird thang and really nobody should care



ha, as i post in a pro bowl thread



since nobody in the media said ... ooo watch out for Victor Cruz this year ... he had no chance



Nicks with the same numbers makes it