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GrouchyGus
12-29-2011, 07:12 PM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.

jomo
12-29-2011, 07:27 PM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.Thanks for the update Jerry and don't for a second we are buyingyour disinformation campaign coming out of Texas. Swollen hands don'tgrip footballs very well.[:D]

Big_D
12-30-2011, 10:59 PM
Guess, we'll have to wait until Sunday to find out if he can grip the ball or not. I think some of you Gmen are hoping he can't. Don't be surprised when he lights you up on Sunday.

miked1958
12-31-2011, 03:44 AM
Guess, we'll have to wait until Sunday to find out if he can grip the ball or not. I think some of you Gmen are hoping he can't. Don't be surprised when he lights you up on Sunday.
Want him at 100 percent when we light you up. That way I won't have to hear your excuses when we beat you.

Knowing romo who played with broken ribs this won't be an issue for him. Had the game vs Philly actually meant something I have no doubt he would have stayed in and played the entire game. Pulling him was just precautionary.

Final prediction. Giants 35 cowboys 31

BlueBlitzer
12-31-2011, 09:42 AM
And Cruz is practicing too. ( His Salsa Dance )

miked1958
12-31-2011, 11:04 AM
And Cruz is practicing too. ( His Salsa Dance )
Let's hope we see that dance at least 3times Sunday Night

RoanokeFan
12-31-2011, 11:15 AM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.

Oddly enough there's a news article out today indicating he's been limited but is expected to start. We GIANTS fans hope he does play, it assure a win for us.

casvdry
12-31-2011, 11:30 AM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.

Oddly enough there's a news article out today indicating he's been limited but is expected to start. We GIANTS fans hope he does play, it assure a win for us.


Not sure I agree with this. People seem to think Romo has a habit of blowing games when in all actuality, there are many other failings that are to blame.

I've often heard Romo has the best 4th QTR rating of all active QB's. So I thought about it some and wondered how Romo could have a bad rap in the clutch, then. Maybe he has costly interceptions in the 4th QTR? So I did some research and I was wrong..





Since 2006 no quarterback -- not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew
Brees or Aaron Rodgers, has a better fourth-quarter passer rating than
Romo (100.0). Only Brees (39) and Philip Rivers (39) have more
fourth-quarter touchdown passes than Romo's 34. Only Brees (5,905),
Manning (4,886) and Rivers (4,751) have more fourth-quarter yards than
Romo's 4,712.</p>


has thrown 17 fourth-quarter interceptions, which is fewer than
Brees (25), Brett Favre (25), Eli Manning (27), Jay Cutler (22) and Ben
Roethlisberger (22) among others. Brady has just 11. Peyton Manning has
13.</p>

People like blaming Romo for the Cowboy's problems a little too much.
</p>

Morehead State
12-31-2011, 11:48 AM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.

Oddly enough there's a news article out today indicating he's been limited but is expected to start. We GIANTS fans hope he does play, it assure a win for us.


Not sure I agree with this. People seem to think Romo has a habit of blowing games when in all actuality, there are many other failings that are to blame.

I've often heard Romo has the best 4th QTR rating of all active QB's. So I thought about it some and wondered how Romo could have a bad rap in the clutch, then. Maybe he has costly interceptions in the 4th QTR? So I did some research and I was wrong..






Since 2006 no quarterback -- not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, has a better fourth-quarter passer rating than Romo (100.0). Only Brees (39) and Philip Rivers (39) have more fourth-quarter touchdown passes than Romo's 34. Only Brees (5,905), Manning (4,886) and Rivers (4,751) have more fourth-quarter yards than Romo's 4,712.</P>


has thrown 17 fourth-quarter interceptions, which is fewer than Brees (25), Brett Favre (25), Eli Manning (27), Jay Cutler (22) and Ben Roethlisberger (22) among others. Brady has just 11. Peyton Manning has 13.</P>


People like blaming Romo for the Cowboy's problems a little too much.
</P>


</P>


There is no one stat that accurately portrays a QB as "clutch" or even "a choker". 4th quarter TD's come in many situations, including when a team is ahead and is piling it on. Even 4th quarter picks are tough to read because they can also come when a team is way down and is taking greater risks.</P>


You have to go by what you see. The Cowboys have blown games with horrible interceptions by the QB this season, and also in previous years.</P>


Romo is a good front runner. When things are going well, when the offense is matching up well, he really can be productive. The test is when it comes down to those few moments when he has to put the team on his shoulders. It also comes when you are ahead or tied in a close game and know how to protect the ball. </P>


Looking at Romo's history, it seems that even from the Giants/Cowboys playoff game in Jan. 08, this is where he has fallen short.</P>


Romo isn't clutch. He's productive, but not clutch. Does he choke? Who knows.But he hasn't shown the ability to dig deep in adverse situations and come through.</P>

casvdry
12-31-2011, 11:59 AM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.

Oddly enough there's a news article out today indicating he's been limited but is expected to start. We GIANTS fans hope he does play, it assure a win for us.


Not sure I agree with this. People seem to think Romo has a habit of blowing games when in all actuality, there are many other failings that are to blame.

I've often heard Romo has the best 4th QTR rating of all active QB's. So I thought about it some and wondered how Romo could have a bad rap in the clutch, then. Maybe he has costly interceptions in the 4th QTR? So I did some research and I was wrong..






Since 2006 no quarterback -- not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, has a better fourth-quarter passer rating than Romo (100.0). Only Brees (39) and Philip Rivers (39) have more fourth-quarter touchdown passes than Romo's 34. Only Brees (5,905), Manning (4,886) and Rivers (4,751) have more fourth-quarter yards than Romo's 4,712.</p>


has thrown 17 fourth-quarter interceptions, which is fewer than Brees (25), Brett Favre (25), Eli Manning (27), Jay Cutler (22) and Ben Roethlisberger (22) among others. Brady has just 11. Peyton Manning has 13.</p>


People like blaming Romo for the Cowboy's problems a little too much.
</p>


</p>


There is no one stat that accurately portrays a QB as "clutch" or even "a choker". 4th quarter TD's come in many situations, including when a team is ahead and is piling it on. Even 4th quarter picks are tough to read because they can also come when a team is way down and is taking greater risks.</p>


You have to go by what you see. The Cowboys have blown games with horrible interceptions by the QB this season, and also in previous years.</p>


Romo is a good front runner. When things are going well, when the offense is matching up well, he really can be productive. The test is when it comes down to those few moments when he has to put the team on his shoulders. It also comes when you are ahead or tied in a close game and know how to protect the ball. </p>


Looking at Romo's history, it seems that even from the Giants/Cowboys playoff game in Jan. 08, this is where he has fallen short.</p>


Romo isn't clutch. He's productive, but not clutch. Does he choke? Who knows.But he hasn't shown the ability to dig deep in adverse situations and come through.</p>

This is all true, but what QB doesn't make mistakes in the 4th quarter? Moreover, what mistakes in the 4th qtr are masked when the defense rises to the occasion to prevent the other team from getting points in those situations?

Morehead State
12-31-2011, 12:15 PM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.

Oddly enough there's a news article out today indicating he's been limited but is expected to start. We GIANTS fans hope he does play, it assure a win for us.


Not sure I agree with this. People seem to think Romo has a habit of blowing games when in all actuality, there are many other failings that are to blame.

I've often heard Romo has the best 4th QTR rating of all active QB's. So I thought about it some and wondered how Romo could have a bad rap in the clutch, then. Maybe he has costly interceptions in the 4th QTR? So I did some research and I was wrong..






Since 2006 no quarterback -- not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers, has a better fourth-quarter passer rating than Romo (100.0). Only Brees (39) and Philip Rivers (39) have more fourth-quarter touchdown passes than Romo's 34. Only Brees (5,905), Manning (4,886) and Rivers (4,751) have more fourth-quarter yards than Romo's 4,712.</P>


has thrown 17 fourth-quarter interceptions, which is fewer than Brees (25), Brett Favre (25), Eli Manning (27), Jay Cutler (22) and Ben Roethlisberger (22) among others. Brady has just 11. Peyton Manning has 13.</P>


People like blaming Romo for the Cowboy's problems a little too much.
</P>


</P>


There is no one stat that accurately portrays a QB as "clutch" or even "a choker". 4th quarter TD's come in many situations, including when a team is ahead and is piling it on. Even 4th quarter picks are tough to read because they can also come when a team is way down and is taking greater risks.</P>


You have to go by what you see. The Cowboys have blown games with horrible interceptions by the QB this season, and also in previous years.</P>


Romo is a good front runner. When things are going well, when the offense is matching up well, he really can be productive. The test is when it comes down to those few moments when he has to put the team on his shoulders. It also comes when you are ahead or tied in a close game and know how to protect the ball. </P>


Looking at Romo's history, it seems that even from the Giants/Cowboys playoff game in Jan. 08, this is where he has fallen short.</P>


Romo isn't clutch. He's productive, but not clutch. Does he choke? Who knows.But he hasn't shown the ability to dig deep in adverse situations and come through.</P>




This is all true, but what QB doesn't make mistakes in the 4th quarter? Moreover, what mistakes in the 4th qtr are masked when the defense rises to the occasion to prevent the other team from getting points in those situations?
</P>


The pick against the Jets was a glairing rookie mistake. The performance against Detroit was complete ineptitude when his team needed him most.</P>


Obviously, Romo can begin the process of undoing a very well earned reputation as a QB who lacks "clutchness" with a great performance tomorrow. (we obviously hope not on the side of the good guys). But its taken him several years to develop this reputation. There comes a time to admit that this is simply what he is.</P>


Productive.....not clutch.</P>

bronxvgiant
12-31-2011, 12:21 PM
Its funny I went thru Dallas a/b a year ago,I hardly saw any local fans.No hats,car decals nothing.Seems as if their fanbase had shrunk a bunch.

jomo
12-31-2011, 12:24 PM
Its funny I went thru Dallas a/b a year ago,I hardly saw any local fans.No hats,car decals nothing.Seems as if their fanbase had shrunk a bunch.I have always found the cowboy fans in dallas to be very cool and classywhich cannot be said about their owner or national fan base.

casvdry
12-31-2011, 12:36 PM
Heh, winning against the Giants wouldn't do anything for his reputation. Unfortunately, it's likely winning a SB wouldn't either. It would be chalked up to something else, his defense, for example. It would be anything other than him. No one remembers the games he wins, only the games he loses. If we are fortunate enough to win this game, he won't get any props for it, it's added to the pile of games that don't matter and then "We'll see when he gets in to the playoffs"

No one saw us beating the Eagles a 3rd straight time in the playoffs, yet we did it. That single game should have disproved this notion that he cannot win games that matter. The fact that he has won a single one should tell Romo haters all they need to know. He can do it.

We've seen this situation before, Romo has wins in games that have "mattered" as long as the way you define matter not only being a playoff game. For that, if you cannot see beyond Seattle, then you're not really watching the games.

QB's can only throw the ball, they can't catch the balls they throw (2007 playoffs) they can't block (2009 Vikings)

I'll give you Seattle only because he's the one who fumbled the hold, but it's funny to think a QB can get his team in that position in the first place and "choke" on a simple hold. I define choking as something a QB does because he can't handle pressure. I don't see the inability to hold a football down for a kick as something you mess up on because of pressure. He could have made that mistake at many other times in the game. It was a mistake, but I don't see it as a mistake as Romo the QB.

This isn't a one player sport. I don't care how great Eli played in the 2007 Superbowl, if your defense doesn't rise to the occasion in the first place, you don't win that game. You held the 2007 Patriots offense to how many points, again? I realize Eli played much better in the 07 post-season than he had been playing but if your defense doesn't show up it's likely all for naught.

Case in point:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121113/2011/REG14/giants@cowboys#menu=highlights&amp;tab=analyze

That isn't the -only- game Romo has played well in and the team has lost. There are 2 things Romo has not had in his career as a Dallas Cowboys QB. A good defense and a solid OL. At any point that the OL was doing "good" was more a product of Romo's scrambling ability more than anything else. The 09 defense got hot at the very end of the 09 season, outside of that the only positives Romo has had around him are other great individuals. Ware, Witten, etc. Good QB's rarely win by themselves, you need a total team effort.

Now, I fully realize Romo has lost some games on his own. He doesn't fumble the ball against the Jets or toss those crazy picks, we likely beat the Lions, too. That's not the point though, the point to me is that there isn't some magical fairy dust that gets spread across the field and makes him perform well in Quarters 1-3 and not in Quarter 4 (The statistics support this, too). Besides, if it's only the big games that he folds in, why do people constantly point out every game where he makes mistakes, if those games don't matter?

The truth is, every game matters. If we have an extra win, we're in the playoffs. Anyone who acts like every game doesn't matter is just trying to help it fit their argument.

Joe Morrison
12-31-2011, 12:52 PM
Stats are that simply stats, wins and losses are what count.</P>


Romo is a good QB and for many reasons has not had a lot of bounces go his way in prime time.</P>


As fare as reports of him practicing, I would hope he could practice today if he plans on starting tomorrow evening.</P>


With him not practicing all week it cannot help his timing, we see that with Eli when Manningham and Nicks don't practice during the week.</P>


That hand looked pretty ugly, I'm not a doctor but with todays treatments I would imagine they could get rid ofthe swelling, but the bruises, they will have to have an effect with the grip on the ball. He doesn't really throw the ball down the field, I expect to see a short quick passing game like usual.</P>


GMEN are due to win the final at home, owe it to the fans after the last couple years and to themselves, you can get the feeling from listening and reading interviews, they are not going to take this game lying down, and as far as the terrible towel, ALL IN!</P>

RoanokeFan
12-31-2011, 12:53 PM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.

Oddly enough there's a news article out today indicating he's been limited but is expected to start. We GIANTS fans hope he does play, it assure a win for us.


Not sure I agree with this. People seem to think Romo has a habit of blowing games when in all actuality, there are many other failings that are to blame.

I've often heard Romo has the best 4th QTR rating of all active QB's. So I thought about it some and wondered how Romo could have a bad rap in the clutch, then. Maybe he has costly interceptions in the 4th QTR? So I did some research and I was wrong..





Since 2006 no quarterback -- not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew
Brees or Aaron Rodgers, has a better fourth-quarter passer rating than
Romo (100.0). Only Brees (39) and Philip Rivers (39) have more
fourth-quarter touchdown passes than Romo's 34. Only Brees (5,905),
Manning (4,886) and Rivers (4,751) have more fourth-quarter yards than
Romo's 4,712.</p>


has thrown 17 fourth-quarter interceptions, which is fewer than
Brees (25), Brett Favre (25), Eli Manning (27), Jay Cutler (22) and Ben
Roethlisberger (22) among others. Brady has just 11. Peyton Manning has
13.</p>

People like blaming Romo for the Cowboy's problems a little too much.
</p>

You have to allow for fan bravado, no?

casvdry
12-31-2011, 12:58 PM
Romo is looking pretty good throwing the ball today only problem he seems to be having is with the center exchange. Hopefully that will get worked out before the game. Looks like everyone that could possibly get healthy enough to play is going to be ready.

Oddly enough there's a news article out today indicating he's been limited but is expected to start. We GIANTS fans hope he does play, it assure a win for us.


Not sure I agree with this. People seem to think Romo has a habit of blowing games when in all actuality, there are many other failings that are to blame.

I've often heard Romo has the best 4th QTR rating of all active QB's. So I thought about it some and wondered how Romo could have a bad rap in the clutch, then. Maybe he has costly interceptions in the 4th QTR? So I did some research and I was wrong..





Since 2006 no quarterback -- not Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew
Brees or Aaron Rodgers, has a better fourth-quarter passer rating than
Romo (100.0). Only Brees (39) and Philip Rivers (39) have more
fourth-quarter touchdown passes than Romo's 34. Only Brees (5,905),
Manning (4,886) and Rivers (4,751) have more fourth-quarter yards than
Romo's 4,712.</p>


has thrown 17 fourth-quarter interceptions, which is fewer than
Brees (25), Brett Favre (25), Eli Manning (27), Jay Cutler (22) and Ben
Roethlisberger (22) among others. Brady has just 11. Peyton Manning has
13.</p>

People like blaming Romo for the Cowboy's problems a little too much.
</p>

You have to allow for fan bravado, no?

Of course, especially in the smack talk section. I guess I just get tired of the Romo bashing.

I'll be the last one to contest viewpoints that assert this Cowboy team is plagued with a lot of letdowns and comes up with the craziest, hilarious ways to lose. It's almost part of their DNA now. I simply recognize it as a deficiency of the organization and not one individual player.

SweetZombieJesus
12-31-2011, 01:45 PM
Guess, we'll have to wait until Sunday to find out if he can grip the ball or not. I think some of you Gmen are hoping he can't. Don't be surprised when he lights you up on Sunday.

With Tony's history of playoff anti-heroics all we can do is wonder how he will blow it this year.

Ntegrase96
12-31-2011, 03:18 PM
Too much emphasis is placed on the QB position. Defense is still key in winning in the playoffs or games that 'matter'.

It's no coincidence that Eli Manning has gotten exponentially better since the superbowl win, yet the Giants have consistently gotten worse with the inability to replace the production of key components to the superbowl winning defense.

And as Casvdry stated, Romo's never had a solid o'line or solid defense.
Great talent on the defensive side of the ball. But it has yet to come
together for the Cowboys.

I've stated that I'm done defending Romo, and to some extent, I am. I think there are better options out there for the Cowboys (maybe not at the moment) and a lot of aspects of his gameplay leave a lot to be desired.

But As critical of Romo as I've been this year I can't deny that with better team effort Romo plays much better as well. He's no different that any other QB in that regard.

He may not be the most 'clutch' QB, but I think his 'chokes' are greatly exaggerated because of two things.

1.) He's the cowboys QB.
2.) the fumbled snap to set the tone for the rest of his career.

There's only one game in Romo's entire career where I've felt that he lost the game despite winning effort from the entire team around him, and that was this year's opener against the Jets.

patsrule666
12-31-2011, 03:48 PM
Too much emphasis is placed on the QB position. Defense is still key in winning in the playoffs or games that 'matter'.

It's no coincidence that Eli Manning has gotten exponentially better since the superbowl win, yet the Giants have consistently gotten worse with the inability to replace the production of key components to the superbowl winning defense.

And as Casvdry stated, Romo's never had a solid o'line or solid defense.
Great talent on the defensive side of the ball. But it has yet to come
together for the Cowboys.

I've stated that I'm done defending Romo, and to some extent, I am. I think there are better options out there for the Cowboys (maybe not at the moment) and a lot of aspects of his gameplay leave a lot to be desired.

But As critical of Romo as I've been this year I can't deny that with better team effort Romo plays much better as well. He's no different that any other QB in that regard.

He may not be the most 'clutch' QB, but I think his 'chokes' are greatly exaggerated because of two things.

1.) He's the cowboys QB.
2.) the fumbled snap to set the tone for the rest of his career.

There's only one game in Romo's entire career where I've felt that he lost the game despite winning effort from the entire team around him, and that was this year's opener against the Jets.
I will be the first to admit that i have somewhat more limited knowledge than most here when it comes to Romo. I think he seems to press too much at times when he doesnt have to. I saw one game a few weeks back where you guys had a sizeable lead late in the game and he was making these horrible throws. I think one got picked for a TD deep in your end.....There is no denying his regular season numbers are up there with the best of them. Playoff numbers and wins are what seperate him from the rest.

patsrule666
12-31-2011, 03:48 PM
Too much emphasis is placed on the QB position. Defense is still key in winning in the playoffs or games that 'matter'.

It's no coincidence that Eli Manning has gotten exponentially better since the superbowl win, yet the Giants have consistently gotten worse with the inability to replace the production of key components to the superbowl winning defense.

And as Casvdry stated, Romo's never had a solid o'line or solid defense.
Great talent on the defensive side of the ball. But it has yet to come
together for the Cowboys.

I've stated that I'm done defending Romo, and to some extent, I am. I think there are better options out there for the Cowboys (maybe not at the moment) and a lot of aspects of his gameplay leave a lot to be desired.

But As critical of Romo as I've been this year I can't deny that with better team effort Romo plays much better as well. He's no different that any other QB in that regard.

He may not be the most 'clutch' QB, but I think his 'chokes' are greatly exaggerated because of two things.

1.) He's the cowboys QB.
2.) the fumbled snap to set the tone for the rest of his career.

There's only one game in Romo's entire career where I've felt that he lost the game despite winning effort from the entire team around him, and that was this year's opener against the Jets.
I will be the first to admit that i have somewhat more limited knowledge than most here when it comes to Romo. I think he seems to press too much at times when he doesnt have to. I saw one game a few weeks back where you guys had a sizeable lead late in the game and he was making these horrible throws. I think one got picked for a TD deep in your end.....There is no denying his regular season numbers are up there with the best of them. Playoff numbers and wins are what seperate him from the rest.

Ntegrase96
12-31-2011, 04:12 PM
Too much emphasis is placed on the QB position. Defense is still key in winning in the playoffs or games that 'matter'.

It's no coincidence that Eli Manning has gotten exponentially better since the superbowl win, yet the Giants have consistently gotten worse with the inability to replace the production of key components to the superbowl winning defense.

And as Casvdry stated, Romo's never had a solid o'line or solid defense.
Great talent on the defensive side of the ball. But it has yet to come
together for the Cowboys.

I've stated that I'm done defending Romo, and to some extent, I am. I think there are better options out there for the Cowboys (maybe not at the moment) and a lot of aspects of his gameplay leave a lot to be desired.

But As critical of Romo as I've been this year I can't deny that with better team effort Romo plays much better as well. He's no different that any other QB in that regard.

He may not be the most 'clutch' QB, but I think his 'chokes' are greatly exaggerated because of two things.

1.) He's the cowboys QB.
2.) the fumbled snap to set the tone for the rest of his career.

There's only one game in Romo's entire career where I've felt that he lost the game despite winning effort from the entire team around him, and that was this year's opener against the Jets.
I will be the first to admit that i have somewhat more limited knowledge than most here when it comes to Romo. I think he seems to press too much at times when he doesnt have to. I saw one game a few weeks back where you guys had a sizeable lead late in the game and he was making these horrible throws. I think one got picked for a TD deep in your end.....There is no denying his regular season numbers are up there with the best of them. Playoff numbers and wins are what seperate him from the rest.

Must have been against Detroit week 4. Since then I believe he's only thrown 4 ints to 22 tds. But I hear what your saying. Honestly he hasn't made that many mistakes this year, not even in the Jets game that I described.

Come to think of it, it might have been thanksgiving day against the Dolphins. He threw two early ints that game, but he was obviously having an off day early on.

The typical assumption is that Romo makes daredevil/loose cannon plays and sometimes pays for it (I've heard Mangini talking about this a lot on ESPN 1st take).

But that's something I really haven't seen from Romo since 2008. Yeah, sometimes he has his bad games, but he won't make the crazy left handed lob/behind the back type play any more unless it's absolutely clear.

The biggest problem with Romo this year since that Detroit game is that he's had to be absolutely perfect to win some of the games that the Cowboys ultimately ended up losing.

The reason? The Cowboys are a mediocre team. If Romo's not perfect in some games, the cowboys will lose. Then he'll get blamed for it because he missed one pass.

Case in point, the first Giants game. One play that could've sealed the win for the Cowboys, Romo didn't connect with Austin, and the loss was all his fault. Nevermind Miles Austin admitted to losing the ball in the lights the day after. Nevermind that the defense gave up 12 points in the final 7 minutes of the game to lose the lead-- nevermind that Romo got the Cowboys back into scoring position in under a minute with no timeouts left to tie it up for overtime before special teams failed. It was Romo's fault we lost the game. I think I heard on ESPN that it was the first time a QB posted a rating of over 140 and lost a game in 71 games played, but I could be quoting that stat wrong.

Really, outside of 2007, that's been the story of his career. If he's not perfect, he's not worth a crap.

gmen46
12-31-2011, 05:52 PM
Too much emphasis is placed on the QB position. Defense is still key in winning in the playoffs or games that 'matter'.

It's no coincidence that Eli Manning has gotten exponentially better since the superbowl win, yet the Giants have consistently gotten worse with the inability to replace the production of key components to the superbowl winning defense.

And as Casvdry stated, Romo's never had a solid o'line or solid defense.
Great talent on the defensive side of the ball. But it has yet to come
together for the Cowboys.

I've stated that I'm done defending Romo, and to some extent, I am. I think there are better options out there for the Cowboys (maybe not at the moment) and a lot of aspects of his gameplay leave a lot to be desired.

But As critical of Romo as I've been this year I can't deny that with better team effort Romo plays much better as well. He's no different that any other QB in that regard.

He may not be the most 'clutch' QB, but I think his 'chokes' are greatly exaggerated because of two things.

1.) He's the cowboys QB.
2.) the fumbled snap to set the tone for the rest of his career.

There's only one game in Romo's entire career where I've felt that he lost the game despite winning effort from the entire team around him, and that was this year's opener against the Jets.
I will be the first to admit that i have somewhat more limited knowledge than most here when it comes to Romo. I think he seems to press too much at times when he doesnt have to. I saw one game a few weeks back where you guys had a sizeable lead late in the game and he was making these horrible throws. I think one got picked for a TD deep in your end.....There is no denying his regular season numbers are up there with the best of them. Playoff numbers and wins are what seperate him from the rest.

Must have been against Detroit week 4. Since then I believe he's only thrown 4 ints to 22 tds. But I hear what your saying. Honestly he hasn't made that many mistakes this year, not even in the Jets game that I described.

Come to think of it, it might have been thanksgiving day against the Dolphins. He threw two early ints that game, but he was obviously having an off day early on.

The typical assumption is that Romo makes daredevil/loose cannon plays and sometimes pays for it (I've heard Mangini talking about this a lot on ESPN 1st take).

But that's something I really haven't seen from Romo since 2008. Yeah, sometimes he has his bad games, but he won't make the crazy left handed lob/behind the back type play any more unless it's absolutely clear.

The biggest problem with Romo this year since that Detroit game is that he's had to be absolutely perfect to win some of the games that the Cowboys ultimately ended up losing.

The reason? The Cowboys are a mediocre team. If Romo's not perfect in some games, the cowboys will lose. Then he'll get blamed for it because he missed one pass.

Case in point, the first Giants game. One play that could've sealed the win for the Cowboys, Romo didn't connect with Austin, and the loss was all his fault.* Nevermind Miles Austin admitted to losing the ball in the lights the day after. Nevermind that the defense gave up 12 points in the final 7 minutes of the game to lose the lead-- nevermind that Romo got the Cowboys back into scoring position in under a minute with no timeouts left to tie it up for overtime before special teams failed. It was Romo's fault we lost the game. I think I heard on ESPN that it was the first time a QB posted a rating of over 140 and lost a game in 71 games played, but I could be quoting that stat wrong.

Really, outside of 2007, that's been the story of his career. If he's not perfect, he's not worth a crap.


I'm compelled to understand your conclusion, and to agree with it. In part because I see Romo somewhat the same way. But largely because what you describe about Romo's undeserved criticism and fans' unquenchable need to blame the QB for most losses, applies equally to Eli and many Giants' fans over the course of his career.

jomo
12-31-2011, 06:25 PM
Too much emphasis is placed on the QB position. Defense is still key in winning in the playoffs or games that 'matter'.

It's no coincidence that Eli Manning has gotten exponentially better since the superbowl win, yet the Giants have consistently gotten worse with the inability to replace the production of key components to the superbowl winning defense.

And as Casvdry stated, Romo's never had a solid o'line or solid defense. Great talent on the defensive side of the ball. But it has yet to come together for the Cowboys.

I've stated that I'm done defending Romo, and to some extent, I am. I think there are better options out there for the Cowboys (maybe not at the moment) and a lot of aspects of his gameplay leave a lot to be desired.

But As critical of Romo as I've been this year I can't deny that with better team effort Romo plays much better as well. He's no different that any other QB in that regard.

He may not be the most 'clutch' QB, but I think his 'chokes' are greatly exaggerated because of two things.

1.) He's the cowboys QB.
2.) the fumbled snap to set the tone for the rest of his career.

There's only one game in Romo's entire career where I've felt that he lost the game despite winning effort from the entire team around him, and that was this year's opener against the Jets.
I will be the first to admit that i have somewhat more limited knowledge than most here when it comes to Romo. I think he seems to press too much at times when he doesnt have to. I saw one game a few weeks back where you guys had a sizeable lead late in the game and he was making these horrible throws. I think one got picked for a TD deep in your end.....There is no denying his regular season numbers are up there with the best of them. Playoff numbers and wins are what seperate him from the rest.

Must have been against Detroit week 4. Since then I believe he's only thrown 4 ints to 22 tds. But I hear what your saying. Honestly he hasn't made that many mistakes this year, not even in the Jets game that I described.

Come to think of it, it might have been thanksgiving day against the Dolphins. He threw two early ints that game, but he was obviously having an off day early on.

The typical assumption is that Romo makes daredevil/loose cannon plays and sometimes pays for it (I've heard Mangini talking about this a lot on ESPN 1st take).

But that's something I really haven't seen from Romo since 2008. Yeah, sometimes he has his bad games, but he won't make the crazy left handed lob/behind the back type play any more unless it's absolutely clear.

The biggest problem with Romo this year since that Detroit game is that he's had to be absolutely perfect to win some of the games that the Cowboys ultimately ended up losing.

The reason? The Cowboys are a mediocre team. If Romo's not perfect in some games, the cowboys will lose. Then he'll get blamed for it because he missed one pass.

Case in point, the first Giants game. One play that could've sealed the win for the Cowboys, Romo didn't connect with Austin, and the loss was all his fault. Nevermind Miles Austin admitted to losing the ball in the lights the day after. Nevermind that the defense gave up 12 points in the final 7 minutes of the game to lose the lead-- nevermind that Romo got the Cowboys back into scoring position in under a minute with no timeouts left to tie it up for overtime before special teams failed. It was Romo's fault we lost the game. I think I heard on ESPN that it was the first time a QB posted a rating of over 140 and lost a game in 71 games played, but I could be quoting that stat wrong.

Really, outside of 2007, that's been the story of his career. If he's not perfect, he's not worth a crap.
I'm compelled to understand your conclusion, and to agree with it. In part because I see Romo somewhat the same way. But largely because what you describe about Romo's undeserved criticism and fans' unquenchable need to blame the QB for most losses, applies equally to Eli and many Giants' fans over the course of his career.He does take more blame thanhe deservesfrom Giants fans but fans don't have to back everything up precisely. We are allowed to take too much joy in our oponents' failures and overstate certain players failings. While I respect Romo and think he is one of the better QB's in the NFL, I am happy to have him playing for the Cowboys. I think we could do worse with a replacement for him. His strength is making something from nothing but I see him as ordinary (just good) when forced to be a pocket passer throwing on rhythm. I think part of that is his height. He seems to have trouble seeing over the pass rush in "settled" situation. His arm strength is nothing special. I also think he has small hands or something else mechanical which result in alot of balls coming out funny even spinning like a chopper blade sometimes. More evidence of the small handsis that blown catch on the snap. Lastly, he gets injured an awful lot and it does grate on me when the media plays that up at how couragious he is. Even this week. "Ooooooh Tony's got a bruised hand but he's such a warrior, expect him to be out there leading his team." Pleeeeeeeeeease! So, he's a very good QB but not so good that I'd rather see him playing for Kansas City and not so good that I can't delight in his every misstep. Could he beat us tomorrow? Of course but that wouldn't change how I feel.

patsrule666
12-31-2011, 06:40 PM
Too much emphasis is placed on the QB position. Defense is still key in winning in the playoffs or games that 'matter'.

It's no coincidence that Eli Manning has gotten exponentially better since the superbowl win, yet the Giants have consistently gotten worse with the inability to replace the production of key components to the superbowl winning defense.

And as Casvdry stated, Romo's never had a solid o'line or solid defense.
Great talent on the defensive side of the ball. But it has yet to come
together for the Cowboys.

I've stated that I'm done defending Romo, and to some extent, I am. I think there are better options out there for the Cowboys (maybe not at the moment) and a lot of aspects of his gameplay leave a lot to be desired.

But As critical of Romo as I've been this year I can't deny that with better team effort Romo plays much better as well. He's no different that any other QB in that regard.

He may not be the most 'clutch' QB, but I think his 'chokes' are greatly exaggerated because of two things.

1.) He's the cowboys QB.
2.) the fumbled snap to set the tone for the rest of his career.

There's only one game in Romo's entire career where I've felt that he lost the game despite winning effort from the entire team around him, and that was this year's opener against the Jets.
I will be the first to admit that i have somewhat more limited knowledge than most here when it comes to Romo. I think he seems to press too much at times when he doesnt have to. I saw one game a few weeks back where you guys had a sizeable lead late in the game and he was making these horrible throws. I think one got picked for a TD deep in your end.....There is no denying his regular season numbers are up there with the best of them. Playoff numbers and wins are what seperate him from the rest.

Must have been against Detroit week 4. Since then I believe he's only thrown 4 ints to 22 tds. But I hear what your saying. Honestly he hasn't made that many mistakes this year, not even in the Jets game that I described.

Come to think of it, it might have been thanksgiving day against the Dolphins. He threw two early ints that game, but he was obviously having an off day early on.

The typical assumption is that Romo makes daredevil/loose cannon plays and sometimes pays for it (I've heard Mangini talking about this a lot on ESPN 1st take).

But that's something I really haven't seen from Romo since 2008. Yeah, sometimes he has his bad games, but he won't make the crazy left handed lob/behind the back type play any more unless it's absolutely clear.

The biggest problem with Romo this year since that Detroit game is that he's had to be absolutely perfect to win some of the games that the Cowboys ultimately ended up losing.

The reason? The Cowboys are a mediocre team. If Romo's not perfect in some games, the cowboys will lose. Then he'll get blamed for it because he missed one pass.

Case in point, the first Giants game. One play that could've sealed the win for the Cowboys, Romo didn't connect with Austin, and the loss was all his fault.* Nevermind Miles Austin admitted to losing the ball in the lights the day after. Nevermind that the defense gave up 12 points in the final 7 minutes of the game to lose the lead-- nevermind that Romo got the Cowboys back into scoring position in under a minute with no timeouts left to tie it up for overtime before special teams failed. It was Romo's fault we lost the game. I think I heard on ESPN that it was the first time a QB posted a rating of over 140 and lost a game in 71 games played, but I could be quoting that stat wrong.

Really, outside of 2007, that's been the story of his career. If he's not perfect, he's not worth a crap.
Well, the QB getting all the credit or blame just comes with the job. That will never change, but i do see your point..He is under a huge microscope playing for the Cowboys..I would blame 2 of your losses this year to poor coaching. Take our game for example. You guys were killing us in the passing game, and then for some strange reason, you guys decided to run on three straight plays late in the game. A couple first downs and you guys could have easily beaten us..

gmen46
12-31-2011, 07:01 PM
Too much emphasis is placed on the QB position. Defense is still key in winning in the playoffs or games that 'matter'.

It's no coincidence that Eli Manning has gotten exponentially better since the superbowl win, yet the Giants have consistently gotten worse with the inability to replace the production of key components to the superbowl winning defense.

And as Casvdry stated, Romo's never had a solid o'line or solid defense. Great talent on the defensive side of the ball. But it has yet to come together for the Cowboys.

I've stated that I'm done defending Romo, and to some extent, I am. I think there are better options out there for the Cowboys (maybe not at the moment) and a lot of aspects of his gameplay leave a lot to be desired.

But As critical of Romo as I've been this year I can't deny that with better team effort Romo plays much better as well. He's no different that any other QB in that regard.

He may not be the most 'clutch' QB, but I think his 'chokes' are greatly exaggerated because of two things.

1.) He's the cowboys QB.
2.) the fumbled snap to set the tone for the rest of his career.

There's only one game in Romo's entire career where I've felt that he lost the game despite winning effort from the entire team around him, and that was this year's opener against the Jets.
I will be the first to admit that i have somewhat more limited knowledge than most here when it comes to Romo. I think he seems to press too much at times when he doesnt have to. I saw one game a few weeks back where you guys had a sizeable lead late in the game and he was making these horrible throws. I think one got picked for a TD deep in your end.....There is no denying his regular season numbers are up there with the best of them. Playoff numbers and wins are what seperate him from the rest.

Must have been against Detroit week 4. Since then I believe he's only thrown 4 ints to 22 tds. But I hear what your saying. Honestly he hasn't made that many mistakes this year, not even in the Jets game that I described.

Come to think of it, it might have been thanksgiving day against the Dolphins. He threw two early ints that game, but he was obviously having an off day early on.

The typical assumption is that Romo makes daredevil/loose cannon plays and sometimes pays for it (I've heard Mangini talking about this a lot on ESPN 1st take).

But that's something I really haven't seen from Romo since 2008. Yeah, sometimes he has his bad games, but he won't make the crazy left handed lob/behind the back type play any more unless it's absolutely clear.

The biggest problem with Romo this year since that Detroit game is that he's had to be absolutely perfect to win some of the games that the Cowboys ultimately ended up losing.

The reason? The Cowboys are a mediocre team. If Romo's not perfect in some games, the cowboys will lose. Then he'll get blamed for it because he missed one pass.

Case in point, the first Giants game. One play that could've sealed the win for the Cowboys, Romo didn't connect with Austin, and the loss was all his fault.* Nevermind Miles Austin admitted to losing the ball in the lights the day after. Nevermind that the defense gave up 12 points in the final 7 minutes of the game to lose the lead-- nevermind that Romo got the Cowboys back into scoring position in under a minute with no timeouts left to tie it up for overtime before special teams failed. It was Romo's fault we lost the game. I think I heard on ESPN that it was the first time a QB posted a rating of over 140 and lost a game in 71 games played, but I could be quoting that stat wrong.

Really, outside of 2007, that's been the story of his career. If he's not perfect, he's not worth a crap.
I'm compelled to understand your conclusion, and to agree with it. In part because I see Romo somewhat the same way. But largely because what you describe about Romo's undeserved criticism and fans' unquenchable need to blame the QB for most losses, applies equally to Eli and many Giants' fans over the course of his career.He does take more blame than*he deserves*from Giants fans but fans don't have to back everything up precisely. We are allowed to take too much joy in our oponents' failures and overstate certain players failings. While I respect Romo and think he is one of the better QB's in the NFL, I am happy to have him playing for the Cowboys. I think we could do worse with a replacement for him. His strength is making something from nothing but I see him as ordinary (just good) when forced to be a pocket passer throwing on rhythm. I think part of that is his height. He seems to have trouble seeing over the pass rush in "settled" situation. His arm strength is nothing special. I also think he has small hands or something else mechanical which result in alot of balls coming out funny even spinning like a chopper blade sometimes. More evidence of the small hands*is that blown catch on the snap. Lastly, he gets injured an awful lot and it does grate on me when the media plays that up at how couragious he is. Even this week. "Ooooooh Tony's got a bruised hand but he's such a warrior, expect him to be out there leading his team." Pleeeeeeeeeease! So, he's a very good QB but not so good that I'd rather see him playing for Kansas City and not so good that I can't delight in his every misstep. Could he beat us tomorrow? Of course but that wouldn't change how I feel.

You'll get no argument from me re your remarks concerning Romo.

And, most assuredly, I agree with your annoyance with all the "courageous Romo" slavering earlier this year.

I was responding more to how eerily familiar ntegrase96's comments regarding Romo were to how I have felt upon reading and hearing unrealistic and often undeserving comments about Eli from certain Giants fans over the past 8 years.

His concluding "if he's not perfect, he's crap" lament, in particular, rang so true to me when it comes to the habitual Eli critics.

Of course this year we're not hearing so much from that crowd, and there have even been a few of those we have heard from this year that have admitted--finally--that Eli may not be so terrible after all.

Big_D
01-02-2012, 12:23 PM
Well, so much for Romo lighting you guys up. This was a culmination to a heartbreaking season. Don't really have much to say.

jomo
01-02-2012, 02:26 PM
Well, so much for Romo lighting you guys up. This was a culmination to a heartbreaking season. Don't really have much to say.Your boy played well. He did more than his part under enormous pressure from our defense. Only his athleticism kept him from perhaps 10 sacks.