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NYG4lifeNYK
04-27-2013, 10:41 PM
C-Web
Prince
T2
Hosley
Ross


Then we have DEPTH aka #6 or #7 CB's:

Trumaine McBride
Antonio Dennard
Terrence Frederick
Buddy Jackson
David Caldwell

nYg24
04-27-2013, 10:45 PM
You just answered your own question. T2 is coming off injury who knows how he will play. Corey is getting old, hopefully he can bounce back but who knows. Ross isn't a starter, Hosley is unproven, and so is Prince although I like what i've seen.

Oh and those other guys...cmon.

GiantsFan27
04-27-2013, 10:48 PM
i was worried about the first group of corners you listed

but that 2nd group totally refeshed my memory and won me over!!

come on bro let's be real here....

Rudyy
04-27-2013, 10:48 PM
All those guys on the bottom are unproven. Webster is old and is coming off an injury. TT is coming back from 3 ACL tears. Ross? Lol yeah okay..Hosley still has a lot of learning to do. Prince is the only one.

NYG4lifeNYK
04-27-2013, 10:48 PM
You just answered your own question. T2 is coming off injury who knows how he will play. Corey is getting old, hopefully he can bounce back but who knows. Ross isn't a starter, Hosley is unproven, and so is Prince although I like what i've seen.

Oh and those other guys...cmon.

This was not the draft to go for a CB. There's always next year.

Ross doesn't need to be a starter with Webster and Prince. Giants are putting a lot of stock into Webster becoming the C-Web of old.

Hosley showed a ton of potential. This will be his second year in the defense, he should be good to go this season.

Prince is not unproven. He allowed ONE TD all season.


Those other guys would be nothing more than last CB on the depth chart. McBride was impressing in camp last season. One of them has to be good enough to be a #6 or #7

FlyingTruck
04-27-2013, 10:49 PM
You just answered your own question. T2 is coming off injury who knows how he will play. Corey is getting old, hopefully he can bounce back but who knows. Ross isn't a starter, Hosley is unproven, and so is Prince although I like what i've seen.

Oh and those other guys...cmon.Because we should have more faith in rookies who have done nothing in the NFL yet?

Rudyy
04-27-2013, 10:50 PM
Also, our corners get depleted almost every offseason, you should know that.

NYG4lifeNYK
04-27-2013, 10:53 PM
Also, our corners get depleted almost every offseason, you should know that.

You can't plan on 5 or 6 CB's going down every season... even thought the past 2 seasons that's been the case lol

How would a rookie do any better than any of the listed?

Rudyy
04-27-2013, 10:55 PM
You can't plan on 5 or 6 CB's going down every season... even thought the past 2 seasons that's been the case lolHow would a rookie do any better than any of the listed?Ok so since that's been the trend, you have to plan for it lol.

NYG4lifeNYK
04-27-2013, 11:47 PM
Ok so since that's been the trend, you have to plan for it lol.

Pretty sure we have plenty of depth

We needed depth in other areas. I love this draft.

Rudyy
04-27-2013, 11:52 PM
Pretty sure we have plenty of depthWe needed depth in other areas. I love this draft.Yeah, no we don't..

myles2424
04-28-2013, 12:04 AM
Why? Because we only have 1 GOOD cb on the team....that's why....Webster is on his way out....Ross just isn't good....T2 has the odds stacked against him....Hosley, we have no clue what were getting....

so let's assume there's a good chance we go into 2014 with only Prince & Hosley.....

Rudyy
04-28-2013, 12:07 AM
Why? Because we only have 1 GOOD cb on the team....that's why....Webster is on his way out....Ross just isn't good....T2 has the odds stacked against him....Hosley, we have no clue what were getting....so let's assume there's a good chance we go into 2014 with only Prince & Hosley.....+1

Buddy333
04-28-2013, 12:07 AM
Maybe because they only have one reliable CB on the team. Webster was bad last year and only getting older. Ross was not that good two years ago and he was cut from a horrible team after just one year. Even if TT plays this year he will probably be a Safety. Maybe Hosely will be better this year.

PRGiant
04-28-2013, 05:08 AM
C-Web
Prince
T2
Hosley
Ross


Then we have DEPTH aka #6 or #7 CB's:

Trumaine McBride
Antonio Dennard
Terrence Frederick
Buddy Jackson
David Caldwell

I like Price and Hosley as a nickel back...We still need a #2 if Websters has the same kind of season. Ross sucks and T2 might play safety or probably doesn't make it out of training camp with an injury. Hopefully Webster plays better but I would have been happier with a round 1-3 CB pick.

Rat_bastich
04-28-2013, 05:28 AM
Ross only shows up in the play-offs, but he should be refreshed after his long vacation.

Antwuan
04-28-2013, 05:45 AM
Why? Because we only have 1 GOOD cb on the team....that's why....Webster is on his way out....Ross just isn't good....T2 has the odds stacked against him....Hosley, we have no clue what were getting....

so let's assume there's a good chance we go into 2014 with only Prince & Hosley.....

And this is why the Giants should look to draft a CB in the early rounds of 2014.

myles2424
04-28-2013, 06:00 AM
And this is why the Giants should look to draft a CB in the early rounds of 2014.
Well that's our only choice now.....going into 2014 with prince,Hosley in his 3rd year & jamar Taylor in his sophomore season wouldve sounded amazing....

bigjeep
04-28-2013, 06:56 AM
You just answered your own question. T2 is coming off injury who knows how he will play. Corey is getting old, hopefully he can bounce back but who knows. Ross isn't a starter, Hosley is unproven, and so is Prince although I like what i've seen.

Oh and those other guys...cmon.

Yup!

Redeyejedi
04-28-2013, 08:57 AM
This was not the draft to go for a CB. There's always next year.

Ross doesn't need to be a starter with Webster and Prince. Giants are putting a lot of stock into Webster becoming the C-Web of old.

Hosley showed a ton of potential. This will be his second year in the defense, he should be good to go this season.

Prince is not unproven. He allowed ONE TD all season.


Those other guys would be nothing more than last CB on the depth chart. McBride was impressing in camp last season. One of them has to be good enough to be a #6 or #7

As far as im concerned Prince is the only CB on this team that is proven and will be here for the next 3 seasons

Webster-had a bad year probably wont be back next season.

Ross- is what he is depth probably here 1 year

Hosley- Here for the next 3 years but not proven and looked terrible at times.Not convinced he is anything more then depth

TT- Seriously I wouldnt even bank on him playing. He shouldnt be penciled in at all in a spot

There was easily a back end roster spot for another high end corner as carrying 6 even if Thomas makes it is common.Next season the Giants will most likely be forced into grabbing 1 high in the draft. U could say the same thing about DT and they took 1 of them

Redeyejedi
04-28-2013, 08:58 AM
Well that's our only choice now.....going into 2014 with prince,Hosley in his 3rd year & jamar Taylor in his sophomore season wouldve sounded amazing....Most likely are going to need a DE next year still as Moore wont solve their edge rushing issues

Giantslb66
04-28-2013, 09:04 AM
Because we should have more faith in rookies who have done nothing in the NFL yet? Why does it work for so many other teams that actually PLAY their draft picks then?

Ok, now hit me with the 2 Super Bowls in 5 years now........

wideright91
04-28-2013, 12:50 PM
Most likely are going to need a DE next year still as Moore wont solve their edge rushing issues

I'm optimistic about Hosley & feel great about Prince, but the rest of the CB roster is pretty dicey.

Rhodes woulda been nice...

BlueSanta
04-28-2013, 01:06 PM
C-Web
Prince
T2
Hosley
Ross


Then we have DEPTH aka #6 or #7 CB's:

Trumaine McBride
Antonio Dennard
Terrence Frederick
Buddy Jackson
David Caldwell

We had the 31st ranked pass defense last year. That's why. Do I need to go more into it?

juice33s
04-28-2013, 01:45 PM
C-Web
Prince
T2
Hosley
Ross


Then we have DEPTH aka #6 or #7 CB's:

Trumaine McBride
Antonio Dennard
Terrence Frederick
Buddy Jackson
David Caldwell
Lol I consider myself to be a pretty hard core Giant fan (though I've lost a little bit of track since I live in San Diego now), but I gotta admit, I've never even heard of the last 5 guys you listed....But lets be honest Corey Webster sucked last year, T2 may never play again, Hosley is probably at best a nickel guy and Ross is burnt toast and nothing more...Their pass defense was one of the worst in the league last season and they are in dire need of mutliple upgrades

DownWitJPP
04-28-2013, 02:46 PM
why did everyone want a corner well lets take a look...

1. Webster is coming into the last year of his contract, prob will not be re-signed
2. Prince is the only starting caliber corner currently on the roster (let's hope C-web regains his form)
3. T2 is one hit away from retiring
4. Ross is Ross...hes a decent backup but not a starting caliber corner
5. Hosley is undersized to be a outside corner, and let's face it he didn't look that great last year. Maybe he will turn into a good slot corner at best

31st in passing yards per game..atrocious
18 pass plays of more than 30 yards this season (tied for the third-most in the league)

that is why we think we need corners

Redeyejedi
04-28-2013, 02:55 PM
Lol I consider myself to be a pretty hard core Giant fan (though I've lost a little bit of track since I live in San Diego now), but I gotta admit, I've never even heard of the last 5 guys you listed....But lets be honest Corey Webster sucked last year, T2 may never play again, Hosley is probably at best a nickel guy and Ross is burnt toast and nothing more...Their pass defense was one of the worst in the league last season and they are in dire need of mutliple upgradesSome of those guys may not even make it to camp once we sign draft picks and FA

B&RWarrior
04-28-2013, 04:45 PM
Most likely are going to need a DE next year still as Moore wont solve their edge rushing issues

We have Kiwi and that Ojomo guy as depth. Moore is not a s down linemen. I see him as a pass rush specialist.

nycsportzfan
04-28-2013, 05:52 PM
I didn't nessecarily want a corner, but there was great value at CB, and were not exactly lighting the world on fire with our pass defense, so why not take a guy like Xavier Rhodes in RD1, or Jamar Taylor in RD2, both of whom provided great value at a positon that is clearly a questoin mark?

Sovereign
04-29-2013, 12:35 AM
Corey Webster.

/thread

I mean just look at week one. Week freaking one Justin Tryon had to play in clutch time. If that doesn't show you that CB depth is a must then I don't know what to do.

BlessedinBlue22
04-29-2013, 01:28 AM
Most likely are going to need a DE next year still as Moore wont solve their edge rushing issues

I agree Moore is very over rated. Okafor could rush the passer and play the Run. I woulda passed, there was a reason he fell from the top 10 to 3rd round. Devin Taylor, Q. Smith, Okafor all would of been better players opposite JPP.

penguinfarmer
04-29-2013, 07:59 AM
Because we should have more faith in rookies who have done nothing in the NFL yet?

That's certainly looking like the scenario next year when three of those veteran contracts expire.

The alternative is a possibly cost-effective signing of a mid tier veteran for a team that has some important free agents next offseason.

Redeyejedi
04-29-2013, 08:27 AM
I agree Moore is very over rated. Okafor could rush the passer and play the Run. I woulda passed, there was a reason he fell from the top 10 to 3rd round. Devin Taylor, Q. Smith, Okafor all would of been better players opposite JPP.I would of taken Moore over all those guys. I just dont think he is going to be flying around the corner to often. A lot of u guys love Devin Taylor guy looks like the tin man to me out there. He has no bend in his game whatsoever.I think Taylor needs to gain a lot of weight and become a 5 tech if he is going to have any success. Okafor I thought was a borderline 3rd 4th round pick I really didnt like his tape. Q Smith intrigued me the most out of those 3 u mentioned because he was so flexible around the corner. had the Giants taken him instead I wouldnt of minded.

Imgrate
04-29-2013, 09:58 AM
I would of taken Moore over all those guys. I just dont think he is going to be flying around the corner to often. A lot of u guys love Devin Taylor guy looks like the tin man to me out there. He has no bend in his game whatsoever.I think Taylor needs to gain a lot of weight and become a 5 tech if he is going to have any success. Okafor I thought was a borderline 3rd 4th round pick I really didnt like his tape. Q Smith intrigued me the most out of those 3 u mentioned because he was so flexible around the corner. had the Giants taken him instead I wouldnt of minded.

What about lemonier. That's the guy I wanted.

BlueSabbath
04-29-2013, 11:00 AM
Maybe because we had one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL last year?

Giant303
04-29-2013, 01:31 PM
It takes awhile for most corners in the league to even become decent. I'm more surprised that the giants didn't go after a cheaper vet with something still left in the tank. Like mike jenkins.. Hopefully Jayron has a better sophmore campaign although he wasn't terrible his rookie season..just nothing special. I'm not putting a whole lot of faith in t2's knees,but if the secondary stays healthy it should have a bounce back year.

giantscolombia
04-29-2013, 03:18 PM
C-Web: I think you called him "toaster" or "toast"
Prince: solid, no complaints here except for lack of playing time
T2: three ACL or whatever tears... extremely unreliable.
Hosley: Unproven... slot corner for the most part
Ross: Took a "vacation" in FL- Nough' said...


Then we have DEPTH aka #6 or #7 CB's: DEPTH!?!?!?

i'll make this whole group simple and describe them in one word: WHO?
Trumaine McBride
Antonio Dennard
Terrence Frederick
Buddy Jackson
David Caldwell

SMH AT THESE POSTS... IIRC you were calling for Webster's head at the beginning of the off-season...

again, IIRC.. not calling you out...

Sovereign
04-29-2013, 07:14 PM
Maybe because we had one of the worst pass defenses in the NFL last year?

...Too logical, man.

TAILGATIN'
04-29-2013, 08:33 PM
SMH AT THESE POSTS... IIRC you were calling for Webster's head at the beginning of the off-season...

again, IIRC.. not calling you out...
Dude talk English, not robot. I dont understand a word you're saying.

BlessedinBlue22
04-29-2013, 08:43 PM
I didn't nessecarily want a corner, but there was great value at CB, and were not exactly lighting the world on fire with our pass defense, so why not take a guy like Xavier Rhodes in RD1, or Jamar Taylor in RD2, both of whom provided great value at a positon that is clearly a questoin mark?

because that would take too much common sense

ALLnygIN
04-30-2013, 12:52 PM
good corners become mediocre under perry fewell. It's hard to be good in his system. Even though that was half a joke I oddly enough want to believe it. Anyway, if c-webb plays how he did last year expect ross to fill in for him. I like hosley, but I don't know if he'll be good on the outside, I look foward to seeing what he can do this season. As for the rest, prince is really our only solid CB as of now unless webster can get his **** together. Thats why people wanted a cb this draft. As long as prince can stay healthy, and c webb can play better than last year and hosely makes improvements we'll survive.

TAILGATIN'
04-30-2013, 02:16 PM
I wish I could change the name of this thread to, "Why does NYG4life not want a CB?"

I know we all have our opinions, but was I watching a different team last year? Our corners reek and if they dont step it up they will be exposed early again this year. Im as hopeful as anyone that Webbys back to his old self, T2 stays healthy, and Ross, well not much to be said there. JR desperately failed to fill this hole in a corner-friendly draft. I just hope this group can turn it up a notch, but have trouble believing in them since its pretty much the same guys as last year.

Came back to add that Im pulling for Hosley to grab a starting role, as he was sick to watch in college.

GTGiantsFan
04-30-2013, 02:35 PM
Simply because they wanted a top flight corner next too Prince. I don't think the Giants had two great CB's next too each other a lot, and they had an oppurtunity for it this year.