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B&RWarrior
04-28-2013, 05:03 PM
Rd 1 Analysis: Folks, DD is in decline and we have hole at RT, and Brewer is no proven replacement. In addition to this, Snee won't play for much longer. JP can come in right now and be a starter. He can play several positions, but flexibility is no reason to draft a player at 19. At that spot you are looking for above average potential. I think JP can be a really good guard. We only have a one year deal with Boothe. The experts all say his game tape is awesome. We needed Oline help, and have needed help for the past few years. We don't have another 3 years to wait for a project pick to develop.
Rd 2 Analysis: Why in the world does anyone bring up Kuhn and Austin as a reason not to draft a DT? Neither proved they were great at anything, though Kuhn showed off limited potential. Hankins is more powerful than either one, by far. He was the second best run defending tackle after Lotulelie (sp) in the draft. We were soft up the middle last year and this may address that issue for the long term. 30 year old Mike Patterson nor 35 year old Rogers are long term solutions, and did not factor into any draft decisions.

I have been BEGGING for a run stuffing DT for years now and we finally drafted one. A guy built to play 1 tech at the 3 tech. Best pick of the draft if he comes to play. Yes, Kuhn and/or Austin are now expendable. This kid has the potential to dominate at the point of attack like Robbins and the Hammer, freeing up our LBs to make plays. I don't see how you could have watched last year's run defense and feel Joseph alone is all we need. I love this pick. Hankins is our new run stopping gangster!

Rd 3 Analysis: Great value here for Moore, but heís 250 lbs and I see him as speed rush specialist. We have time for him to develop. I hope he can stay focused with all that NYC has to offer a 20 year old kid with a phat bank account. I like that he has proven production. The kid just needs to get stronger and treat this as a job.

Rd4 Analysis: Nassib. IDK if I would have moved up to get him. We should start grooming somebody behind Eli, but it seems kind of early. Eli should have at least 5-6 years left. I understand the logic so it wasnít that upsetting.

Rd 5 Analysis: Taylor Cooper seems like a great pick. I never heard of the kid, but heís got great measurable. Heíll be a great special teams guy and a force against the run and covering TEs. He could become a LB as well. Heís only 10 lbs away from 240. He could be a good safety or a really good LB if he can handle the transition. I love this pick.

I donít see much of a future for Herman or Cox; maybe Herman develops into something as a project linemen.

Final draft grade: Need- A+, Value B+

ImElectric2
04-28-2013, 06:12 PM
Here's the thing too. Everyone looks at Brewer like he's not gonna.be a factor and, at best, he's depth. I tend to lean.that way, too......however.....what if Brewer wins out the RT spot, Snee is at least closer to his standards than.he's been and now we have Pugh next to Beatty on the left?

I realize that would require two "what ifs" to take root in.reality, but its really not out of the realm of possibility. Everyone prepares for worst case scenario with our roster (see 2011's "we'll NEVER have someone as clutch as Steve Smith in the slot!" crowd), but if we trust that this staff just might have a little bit of a clue as to what they're working with and doing then we can probably save 3 or 4 off-season heart attacks.

CDN_G-FAN
04-28-2013, 06:41 PM
i'm thrilled with our 1st round pick, because I think that reese & co don't think they need a o-lineman as much as they like Pugh.

And i'm thrilled with Nassib as well. Great to have someone who could start to develop into a legit starter, even if it means trading him.

slipknottin
04-28-2013, 07:58 PM
I wonder had the draft gone this way -

round 1 - Damontre Moore
round 2 - Justin Pugh
round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
round 4 - Cooper Taylor
round 5 - Ryan Nassib
round 7 - Eric Herman
round 7 - Michael Cox

if people would be more pleased?

I think a lot of people hate the positional values of the picks.

TCHOF
04-28-2013, 08:04 PM
I wonder had the draft gone this way -

round 1 - Damontre Moore
round 2 - Justin Pugh
round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
round 4 - Cooper Taylor
round 5 - Ryan Nassib
round 7 - Eric Herman
round 7 - Michael Cox

if people would be more pleased?

Good point

B&RWarrior
04-28-2013, 08:51 PM
I wonder had the draft gone this way -

round 1 - Damontre Moore
round 2 - Justin Pugh
round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
round 4 - Cooper Taylor
round 5 - Ryan Nassib
round 7 - Eric Herman
round 7 - Michael Cox

if people would be more pleased?

I think a lot of people hate the positional values of the picks.

Now I would question that draft. Moore seems like a very risky pick for the first round. Every player I've looked up that we've drafted I liked.

Cool Papa B.
04-28-2013, 09:53 PM
Sports illustrated gave the Giants a B grade. The more I think about the Nassib pick the more I think the Giants will use him as trade bait in about 1-2 years. Once he perfects his craft with Eli and Coughlin he will definitely be able to start on someone's team.

http://nfl.si.com/2013/04/28/2013-nfl-draft-grades-jaguars-49ers-rams-top-the-class/

Cool Papa B.
04-28-2013, 09:54 PM
I wonder had the draft gone this way -

round 1 - Damontre Moore
round 2 - Justin Pugh
round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
round 4 - Cooper Taylor
round 5 - Ryan Nassib
round 7 - Eric Herman
round 7 - Michael Cox

if people would be more pleased?

I think a lot of people hate the positional values of the picks.

Good point, but I don't think Pugh would have lasted that deep into the 2nd round.

slipknottin
04-28-2013, 10:15 PM
Good point, but I don't think Pugh would have lasted that deep into the 2nd round.

I'm not saying the giants should have drafted them in this order. I'm saying for some of us who don't like taking a RT in the first, or a QB in the forth it may seem like a better draft if you rearrange the order

myles2424
04-28-2013, 10:20 PM
Damontre Moore is promoting his "draft party" at some nightclub via his twitter.....ehh....
If I was a supposed be a top pick that slid because of immaturity issues, I'm not sure if I'd be worried about throwing a party.....
I hope the character concerns aren't accurate..

slipknottin
04-28-2013, 10:23 PM
Damontre Moore is promoting his "draft party" at some nightclub via his twitter.....ehh....
If I was a supposed be a top pick that slid because of immaturity issues, I'm not sure if I'd be worried about throwing a party.....
I hope the character concerns aren't accurate..

Lots of players have draft parties. That alone isn't a concern

B&RWarrior
04-28-2013, 10:39 PM
Lots of players have draft parties. That alone isn't a concern

Seriously, these kids are on the cusp of accomplishing a life long dream. Celebration is in order. I am worried about a young kid that has trouble following the rules coming to NYC where distractions abound, but he will be a man that will have to sleep in the bed he makes. I hope he is ready to be a true professional.

myles2424
04-28-2013, 10:39 PM
Lots of players have draft parties. That alone isn't a concern

I know that, his situation is a bit different though.....btw, I don't know a ton about Moore,I know about the prior hype...but has anyone watched much of him? I've watched most of his non-highlights & I gotta be honest I'm not impressed what so ever.....

TheEnigma
04-28-2013, 11:04 PM
I know that, his situation is a bit different though.....btw, I don't know a ton about Moore,I know about the prior hype...but has anyone watched much of him? I've watched most of his non-highlights & I gotta be honest I'm not impressed what so ever.....

The issue they had with Mathieu's draft party before the draft was the fact it said "future 1st rounder" on it which is bad form. Moore's has nothing like this so there really doesn't seem to be a problem. As for his tape, he always stood out as a mid to late 2nd rounder on film despite the production. As of now, he doesn't look like he has that rare ability to turn the corner like you want out of a top pass rusher but I think he makes a lot of sense on the left side where that isn't needed as much.

myles2424
04-28-2013, 11:12 PM
The issue they had with Mathieu's draft party before the draft was the fact it said "future 1st rounder" on it which is bad form. Moore's has nothing like this so there really doesn't seem to be a problem. As for his tape, he always stood out as a mid to late 2nd rounder on film despite the production. As of now, he doesn't look like he has that rare ability to turn the corner like you want out of a top pass rusher but I think he makes a lot of sense on the left side where that isn't needed as much.
Not talking about a draft day party, a night club party being promoted as a nfl pick demontre moore appearance type of thing...not that that's a problem, but if one of my knocks was "immature, rather party than work hard" I'd probably avoid that scene for awhile...just saying. ...
But about the tape, I think a lot of people are happy as in the picks good value, but haven't watched much of him yet. ...minus the character issues & bad combine, I still don't see the hype

TheEnigma
04-28-2013, 11:21 PM
Not talking about a draft day party, a night club party being promoted as a nfl pick demontre moore appearance type of thing...not that that's a problem, but if one of my knocks was "immature, rather party than work hard" I'd probably avoid that scene for awhile...just saying. ...
But about the tape, I think a lot of people are happy as in the picks good value, but haven't watched much of him yet. ...minus the character issues & bad combine, I still don't see the hype

He's really not a flash pass rusher like you would expect from the insane production he had. He has a relentless motor though and I haven't seen him give up on a play. Very few times though he does flash 1st round talent with a few exceptions of actually having good explosion with his hand in the dirt and there was one game where he chased down a WR to make a tackle that impressed me. He did play OLB in 10 and 11 so maybe he was still adjusting to playing on the Dline majority of his snaps? I dunno...

G-Men Surg.
04-29-2013, 02:04 AM
Damontre Moore is promoting his "draft party" at some nightclub via his twitter.....ehh....
If I was a supposed be a top pick that slid because of immaturity issues, I'm not sure if I'd be worried about throwing a party.....
I hope the character concerns aren't accurate..

Nightclub draft party ? Alcohol ? He is 20 years old and this could spell big time trouble.

BlessedinBlue22
04-29-2013, 03:11 AM
He's really not a flash pass rusher like you would expect from the insane production he had. He has a relentless motor though and I haven't seen him give up on a play. Very few times though he does flash 1st round talent with a few exceptions of actually having good explosion with his hand in the dirt and there was one game where he chased down a WR to make a tackle that impressed me. He did play OLB in 10 and 11 so maybe he was still adjusting to playing on the Dline majority of his snaps? I dunno...

I feel the same way. Very similar to Mathias Kiwanuka. can stand up be a OLB. Best when rushing standing up off the edge, then hand in the dirt. He can't even set the edge. Ojomo looks like a better fit right now. Okafor opposite JPP even Werner or Taylor would of been much better.

Redeyejedi
04-29-2013, 07:50 AM
Damontre Moore is promoting his "draft party" at some nightclub via his twitter.....ehh....
If I was a supposed be a top pick that slid because of immaturity issues, I'm not sure if I'd be worried about throwing a party.....
I hope the character concerns aren't accurate..His coaches wouldnt vouch for him which is troubling.He didnt give effort in practice. He has had an arrest as well for weed. Talent wise he was a 1/2 range of 25-45. It was good value where the Giants got him I wouldnt of said anything if they took him in the 2nd round. The practice thing bothers me a little because in college Moore could get by not being the hardest worker in the room but that isnt going to fly in the NFL.I think thats why no one wanted to use a high pick on him because if u dont work in the NFL u bust.This is a very similar pick to the Manningham and Hosley picks where the Giants took underclassmen with some character flaws but had better tape then where they were drafted

Kruunch
04-29-2013, 10:12 AM
I wonder had the draft gone this way -

round 1 - Damontre Moore
round 2 - Justin Pugh
round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
round 4 - Cooper Taylor
round 5 - Ryan Nassib
round 7 - Eric Herman
round 7 - Michael Cox

if people would be more pleased?

I think a lot of people hate the positional values of the picks.

Good point but I highly doubt Pugh makes it out of the first round considering the run on OL and Hankins probably doesn't last that long into the 3rd (or Nassib into the 5th considering the run on QBs in the 4th).

Kruunch
04-29-2013, 10:13 AM
His coaches wouldnt vouch for him which is troubling.He didnt give effort in practice. He has had an arrest as well for weed. Talent wise he was a 1/2 range of 25-45. It was good value where the Giants got him I wouldnt of said anything if they took him in the 2nd round. The practice thing bothers me a little because in college Moore could get by not being the hardest worker in the room but that isnt going to fly in the NFL.I think thats why no one wanted to use a high pick on him because if u dont work in the NFL u bust.This is a very similar pick to the Manningham and Hosley picks where the Giants took underclassmen with some character flaws but had better tape then where they were drafted

+1

TCHOF
04-29-2013, 10:28 AM
His coaches wouldnt vouch for him which is troubling.He didnt give effort in practice. He has had an arrest as well for weed. Talent wise he was a 1/2 range of 25-45. It was good value where the Giants got him I wouldnt of said anything if they took him in the 2nd round. The practice thing bothers me a little because in college Moore could get by not being the hardest worker in the room but that isnt going to fly in the NFL.I think thats why no one wanted to use a high pick on him because if u dont work in the NFL u bust.This is a very similar pick to the Manningham and Hosley picks where the Giants took underclassmen with some character flaws but had better tape then where they were drafted

What do you mean his coaches wouldn't vouch for him? (not being a wise guy, just haven't read that)

Redeyejedi
04-29-2013, 10:52 AM
What do you mean his coaches wouldn't vouch for him? (not being a wise guy, just haven't read that)I heard that A&M coaches didnt speak very highly of his work ethic practice habits

BlueSabbath
04-29-2013, 10:59 AM
I feel the same way. Very similar to Mathias Kiwanuka. can stand up be a OLB. Best when rushing standing up off the edge, then hand in the dirt. He can't even set the edge. Ojomo looks like a better fit right now. Okafor opposite JPP even Werner or Taylor would of been much better.

I agree. I know many disagree but I personally would have preferred Okafor in our system. I think he would have been awesome. Great character too.

Kruunch
04-29-2013, 11:25 AM
I agree. I know many disagree but I personally would have preferred Okafor in our system. I think he would have been awesome. Great character too.

+1

Totally agree.

blue_truth
04-29-2013, 01:06 PM
I wonder had the draft gone this way -

round 1 - Damontre Moore
round 2 - Justin Pugh
round 3 - Jonathan Hankins
round 4 - Cooper Taylor
round 5 - Ryan Nassib
round 7 - Eric Herman
round 7 - Michael Cox

if people would be more pleased?

I think a lot of people hate the positional values of the picks.



^^ i like this guy....

Kruunch
04-29-2013, 01:10 PM
Sports illustrated gave the Giants a B grade. The more I think about the Nassib pick the more I think the Giants will use him as trade bait in about 1-2 years. Once he perfects his craft with Eli and Coughlin he will definitely be able to start on someone's team.

http://nfl.si.com/2013/04/28/2013-nfl-draft-grades-jaguars-49ers-rams-top-the-class/

We tried that before and it didn't work out.

The reason being is to become trade bait you need to play at some point and then play well in that short window (enough to capture attention).

Eli being the current iron man of the league doesn't help that.

TAILGATIN'
04-29-2013, 01:18 PM
I really didnt enjoy this draft. I can see taking Pugh because OTs were flying off the board, but was suprised we passed on Floyd, Werner, and Rhodes here. Jenkins was def not one of my fav picks in 2nd, especially when we passed DT Floyd in 1st and guys like A. Brown, Bostic, and J. Taylor were there. I liked the Moore pick in the 3rd and thought it was a no-brianer for the value. The Nassib pick blew my mind, as I thought we were heading up for Greene, possibly Poyer, or even Porter or Barrett Jones. I really dont understand it, but if he ends up contributing down the road and actually sees the field somehow I can see myself eating my words. I think Cooper Taylor is boom or bust, Herman Im unsure of, and I dont know why we took someone like Cox over Maysonet (who I saw the Eagles drafted in UDFA... great!). Id grade us a low C and thats being generous. Im no expert though and dont claim to be. I hope Reese knows what he's doing because I feel he's lost a lot of my trust after this draft.

slipknottin
04-29-2013, 05:42 PM
Nightclub draft party ? Alcohol ? He is 20 years old and this could spell big time trouble.

nightclubs a lot of the time are 18 and older.

slipknottin
04-29-2013, 05:43 PM
I heard that A&M coaches didnt speak very highly of his work ethic practice habits

coughlin said same thing.. "he has issues practicing during the week, but he always shows up on saturdays"