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Turbo
05-03-2013, 04:55 PM
We all know TC is huge on ball security...as he should be. We also know he benched Wilson due to his fumble early in the year and it took forever to dig himself out of that. I was looking at stats earlier today and was shocked to see that Barry Sanders fumbled 10 times his rookie year and four more the following year. I am not equating Wilson to Barry Sanders, but the point is that dynamic play makers have had rookie issues before and they were not benched. I have no idea what Sanders was like in pass protection that year, so please don't throw that one out. We know Wilson struggled that way, but it was not why he was benched. Just sayin'...


edit: spelling

DownWitJPP
05-03-2013, 05:00 PM
Wilson had 1 fumble all year...he didn't struggle with fumbles his rookie year. He didn't play because his pass protection wasn't good. It would of been easy for the opponent to figure out when he comes into the game its a run.

FishinTheSalt
05-03-2013, 05:02 PM
Well we know tc doesnt like fumblers but he fixed tikis issue so he knows how to do it. I'm not worried at all.

jomo
05-03-2013, 05:23 PM
We all know TC is huge on ball security...as he should be. We also know he benched Wilson due to his fumble early in the year and it took forever to dig himself out of that. I was looking at stats earlier today and was shocked to see that Barry Sanders fumbled 10 times his rookie year and four more the following year. I am not equating Wilson to Barry Sanders, but the point is that dynamic play makers have had rookie issues before and they were not benched. I have no idea what Sanders was like in pass protection that year, so please don't throw that one out. We know Wilson struggled that way, but it was not why he was benched. Just sayin'...


edit: spellingBecause the Lions didn't view themselves as being in the hunt for the SB every year back then. Turnovers are coach killers and any coach that likes there position is going to go with guys who minimize giveaways. TC would always take a sure handed punt returner versus an explosive type for the same reason................it is a winning strategy plain and simple.

Turbo
05-03-2013, 05:23 PM
Wilson had 1 fumble all year...he didn't struggle with fumbles his rookie year. He didn't play because his pass protection wasn't good. It would of been easy for the opponent to figure out when he comes into the game its a run.

So TC benched him immediately after his fumble because of pass protection?

Moke
05-03-2013, 05:24 PM
Fumbling is a huge issue. I think Wilson just needs to be comfortable a bit and he'll be fine. With the way our RB roster is looking, I'll start to believe that Wilson is going to get really good time.

njg85m
05-03-2013, 05:24 PM
We all know TC is huge on ball security...as he should be. We also know he benched Wilson due to his fumble early in the year

Not saying I agree or disagree with you, but that second statement is pure opinion and not fact.

Turbo
05-03-2013, 05:26 PM
Not saying I agree or disagree with you, but that second statement is pure opinion and not fact.

Fact is he fumbled and was benched starting the next play. If that was not due to him fumbling then you would be correct.

njg85m
05-03-2013, 05:31 PM
Fact is he fumbled and was benched starting the next play. If that was not due to him fumbling then you would be correct.

Again, I get very frustrated when people seem to have selective memory of how things actually happened.

Bradshaw was hurt at the time, No one had any expectations of Andre Brown let alone did anyone think that he would come OUT OF NO WHERE and play like a pro bowler the very next week, Bradshaw got healthy. There were numerous things that happened.

I'm not saying his contribution was not limited THAT DAY because of the fumble, in fact it is extremely common for many teams in the league to limit a players touches or bench them altogether after a fumble for that game. I'm simply pointing out that it is ridiculous and shortsighted to assume that David Wilsons fumble in the season opener somehow prevented him from being our #1 back when that simply isn't the case.

Again, you need to look back and put things in perspective. Brown surprised absolutely everybody, Bradshaw played better than expected. It's insane to think that Tom Coughlin changed his entire gameplanning for a year because of one fumble. He's a future HOF coach, not a moron.

RoanokeFan
05-03-2013, 05:34 PM
We all know TC is huge on ball security...as he should be. We also know he benched Wilson due to his fumble early in the year and it took forever to dig himself out of that. I was looking at stats earlier today and was shocked to see that Barry Sanders fumbled 10 times his rookie year and four more the following year. I am not equating Wilson to Barry Sanders, but the point is that dynamic play makers have had rookie issues before and they were not benched. I have no idea what Sanders was like in pass protection that year, so please don't throw that one out. We know Wilson struggled that way, but it was not why he was benched. Just sayin'...


edit: spelling

First, Wilson wasn't "benched." Had he been benched, he would not have broken the record for the most all purpose yards in a single game. His offensive snaps were limited for a variety of reasons to include the infamous fumble.

BigBlue1971
05-03-2013, 06:05 PM
TC could afford to send a stern message or messages to Wilson. Bradshaw was there to pick up the load at running back demoting Wilson to a lesser role!

the fumble did benefit Wilson greatly by (1 he hasnt dropped another ball since and (2 that first fumble in his first game will always be on his mind!

i wouldnt be surprised if Wilson never fumbled again! lol

jomo
05-03-2013, 06:37 PM
TC could afford to send a stern message or messages to Wilson. Bradshaw was there to pick up the load at running back demoting Wilson to a lesser role!

the fumble did benefit Wilson greatly by (1 he hasnt dropped another ball since and (2 that first fumble in his first game will always be on his mind!

i wouldnt be surprised if Wilson never fumbled again! lolFumbles lose games. Fumbles cost HC their jobs because they are judged on their W-L record. Fumbles need to be minimized. Guys who fumble more need to play less. I like winning. Fumbles cost us wins. The difference between 8-8 and 10-6 teams in the NFL is not that great. Turnovers are usually the reason that a 10-6 team finishes 8-8. Fumbles are bad.

JesseJames
05-03-2013, 06:39 PM
its no mystery how Coughlin feels about fumbling but he has to remember that I'm sure those feelings go back to a time when players did not try to rip the ball out before they even try to tackle the ball carrier. These are different times and I watch the defensive players ripping at the ball 2 and 3 at a time and wonder how the hell does the ball carrier even have a chance of holding on to it. For this reason I have a lot of sympathy and understanding when I see the ball get ripped out. I know we all hate to see a fumble but from where I sit its getting very hard to hang on to it these days and I think TC needs to understand that ...

TheAussieGiant
05-03-2013, 06:46 PM
Wow, I think everyone is forgetting the most important thing about Wilson's fumble.

He was emotionally DISTRAUGHT on the sideline. You cannot absolutely cannot put that guy back on the field. TC gave him time to grow in confidence and used him in situations to facilitate that. If TC had put him straight back in the game and he fumbled again (highly likely from the state he was in) it could have undermined his confidence for the entire year.

B&RWarrior
05-03-2013, 07:02 PM
I think it he learned a good lesson. The difference between winning and losing many times is turnovers. We were trying to repeat as SB Champs.

Let this be the last Sanders and Wilson comparison. It's a bad comparison for several reasons.

RoanokeFan
05-03-2013, 07:08 PM
I think it he learned a good lesson. The differenced between winning and losing many times is turnovers. We were trying to repeat as SB Champs. Let this be the last Sanders and Wilson comparison. It's a bad comparison for several reasons.

Our win/loss record is something like 52/9 when we win the turnover battle.

Turbo
05-03-2013, 07:47 PM
We win more when we turnover the ball less. Wilson turned over the ball once all year. Wilson was not the reason we lost the turnover battle during the year. Wilson was not the reason we lost games during the year when it came down to turnovers.

If you agree with the above then it is not fair to say he didn't get many snaps because of his fumbling, but this is the constant refrain people use. It is why I made the initial post, to show that fumbling issues are not a new thing and, even if Wilson was prone to do so, it would not mean he should be limited in snaps.

Flip Empty
05-03-2013, 07:51 PM
It seems almost customary for Giants RBs to fumble out of the gates.

JimC
05-03-2013, 07:54 PM
and I think TC needs to understand that ...

YOU think TC needs to understand that!!!!!!!!!!!!

RoanokeFan
05-03-2013, 07:55 PM
We win more when we turnover the ball less. Wilson turned over the ball once all year. Wilson was not the reason we lost the turnover battle during the year. Wilson was not the reason we lost games during the year when it came down to turnovers.

If you agree with the above then it is not fair to say he didn't get many snaps because of his fumbling, but this is the constant refrain people use. It is why I made the initial post, to show that fumbling issues are not a new thing and, even if Wilson was prone to do so, it would not mean he should be limited in snaps.

I didn't suggest Wilson was responsible for any losses, including the game he fumbled. I can buy TC kept him out of the offense that day because of the fumble. Wilson's negatives also included pre-snap reads and picking up blitzes. Nothing he can't improve.

But Brown came on strong after Bradshaw was hurt and he was clearly the hot hand on offense until he broke his leg. If fumbling was TC"s biggest concern re: Wilson, he would never have put him back as a returner where losing the ball, more often than not, results in points for the other team. I think TC used Wilson's strength, running the ball, to keep him successfully involved in the game every week using the skills he brought from VT - running the ball.