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UKAnt14
05-14-2013, 11:08 AM
Per Patricia Traina of Inside Football on Twitter today (14th May):

"Some Victor Cruz news. A little birdie, who is at an ESPN event where Victor Cruz is appearing...


...said that Cruz is "getting close" on getting his deal done and that "he is ready."

Some more positive news, especially as this news comes seven days after the news that things would start to heat up with regards to Cruz's contract in the next 7-10 days.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/07/next-week-or-so-deemed-important-for-cruz-talks/


*Just to clarify - Pat Traina's tweets come from today. The Pro Football Talk story was from last week, talking about this week.


EDIT:

http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/14/victor-cruz-confirms-things-are-moving-on-his-contract-negotiations-with-new-york-giants/ - RF

Excerpt: "Earlier this morning, a source said the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants and restricted free agent (RFA) Victor Cruz (http://www.giants101.com/tag/victor-cruz/) were "getting close (http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/14/new-york-giants-victor-cruz-getting-close-on-new-deal-eli-manning-hopeful-he-returns-for-otas/)" on a new deal and that the wide receiver "was ready" to return to the field. Well, Cruz has now confirmed that, telling the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Post that things "are moving" on his negotiations with Big Blue (https://twitter.com/LennRobbins/status/334335265948717056)." Read more...

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 11:09 AM
Per Patricia Traina of Inside Football on Twitter:

"Some Victor Cruz news. A little birdie, who is at an ESPN event where Victor Cruz is appearing...


...said that Cruz is "getting close" on getting his deal done and that "he is ready."

Some more positive news, especially as this news comes seven days after the news that things would start to heat up with regards to Cruz's contract in the next 7-10 days.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/07/next-week-or-so-deemed-important-for-cruz-talks/


CRUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ

This link is from May7th

Rudyy
05-14-2013, 11:09 AM
:D

Rudyy
05-14-2013, 11:10 AM
This link is from May7th:(

giants8493
05-14-2013, 11:10 AM
He is ready for what though??? I hope it isnt retirement....

UKAnt14
05-14-2013, 11:11 AM
This link is from May7th

The link relates to the story posted a week ago that stated that things would start to get going from today onwards.

Patricia Traina's tweets come from today... https://twitter.com/Patricia_Traina

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 11:13 AM
The link relates to the story posted a week ago that stated that things would start to get going from today onwards.

Patricia Traina's tweets come from today... https://twitter.com/Patricia_Traina

I wrote that because no one will look and assume it is a NEW event. Pat Traina is a pretty reliable source so let's hope this story has some legs. The timing is about right so here's hoping.

Rudyy
05-14-2013, 11:13 AM
The link relates to the story posted a week ago that stated that things would start to get going from today onwards.Patricia Traina's tweets come from today... https://twitter.com/Patricia_Traina:D

UKAnt14
05-14-2013, 11:14 AM
I wrote that because no one will look and assume it is a NEW event. Pat Traina is a pretty reliable source so let's hope this story has some legs. The timing is about right so here's hoping.

Got'cha! Here's hoping...

ryan12
05-14-2013, 11:15 AM
:D

he is ready to pick you up in a new van

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 11:15 AM
:D

I'd think his wife would at least nod her head if there were something to this

UKAnt14
05-14-2013, 11:16 AM
Cruz is at a BTIG Commissions event today - let's see whether he finally speaks.

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 11:21 AM
I don't want to burst any bubbles, but if this is the "I'm ready" tweet, it's maybe not the news we're hoping for.

Victor Cruz (https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=19548850) @TeamVic (https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=19548850)
I’m getting ready for @StampOutHunger (https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=32429074)! What are you donating on Saturday?
(http://twitter.com/) 11 May (http://twitter.com/TeamVic/status/333238139650969600)

Carter.525
05-14-2013, 11:24 AM
Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

ImElectric2
05-14-2013, 11:41 AM
I don't want to burst any bubbles, but if this is the "I'm ready" tweet, it's maybe not the news we're hoping for. Victor Cruz (https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=19548850) @TeamVic (https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=19548850)Iím getting ready for @StampOutHunger (https://twitter.com/intent/user?user_id=32429074)! What are you donating on Saturday? (http://twitter.com/) 11 May (http://twitter.com/TeamVic/status/333238139650969600)Lolol. I knewit was too good to be true!

dezzzR
05-14-2013, 11:55 AM
I just hope we dont over pay him. Ill be disappointed.

giantscolombia
05-14-2013, 11:59 AM
I just hope we dont over pay him. Ill be disappointed.
I'm completely with you. DEFINITELY not worth paying him 10-11 mil

UKAnt14
05-14-2013, 12:02 PM
Per Lenn Robbins, NPP writer:

Victor Cruz at BTIG tells The Post things are moving on his contract negotiations with the Giants

He's stayed silent up till now. Surely a good sign?

UKAnt14
05-14-2013, 12:07 PM
Now Bart Hubbuch, New York Post writer on Twitter:

"Lots of buzz swirling that this could be a big day in the Victor Cruz negotiations, Giants fans."

Carter.525
05-14-2013, 12:16 PM
Now Bart Hubbuch, New York Post writer on Twitter:

"Lots of buzz swirling that this could be a big day in the Victor Cruz negotiations, Giants fans."

C'mon!! get this done

Rudyy
05-14-2013, 12:18 PM
@Giants_101: Could the Victor Cruz saga finally come to an end today? The magic 8 ball says.... http://t.co/FyY3dEuZYe #nyg #giants

Rudyy
05-14-2013, 12:20 PM
@art_stapleton: BREAKING: Victor Cruz said hello. That's where we are right now. #NYG. LOL

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 12:22 PM
Per Lenn Robbins, NPP writer:

Victor Cruz at BTIG tells The Post things are moving on his contract negotiations with the Giants

He's stayed silent up till now. Surely a good sign?

You know what's been a good sign, seriously, is the lack of public comments other than John Mara's occasional reassurance. The deal will get done and then we can move on to football.

ryan12
05-14-2013, 12:27 PM
You know what's been a good sign, seriously, is the lack of public comments other than John Mara's occasional reassurance. The deal will get done and then we can move on to football.

8.5 mil per year for 5 years $42millon contract $20 million guarnteed should get the deal signed

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 12:34 PM
8.5 mil per year for 5 years $42millon contract $20 million guarnteed should get the deal signed

Could be. I don't think they'd go above 8, but if Condon could get Osi another $1M last year, this would be a cakewalk by comparison lol

Carter.525
05-14-2013, 12:38 PM
@art_stapleton: BREAKING: Victor Cruz said hello. That's where we are right now. #NYG. LOL

YES!!... this makes me feel better :mad:

ashleymarie
05-14-2013, 12:41 PM
8.5 mil per year for 5 years $42millon contract $20 million guarnteed should get the deal signed

That's a lot of moolah. Perhaps Cruz will accept a tad less.

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 12:43 PM
That's a lot of moolah. Perhaps Cruz will accept a tad less.

They were already at 8 two weeks ago. I don't think the annual $ was the biggest sticking point. I think it was the term and the guarantee.

UKAnt14
05-14-2013, 12:45 PM
I just hope we can look back on this situation after Cruz catches the winning TD in the Super Bowl next Feb.

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 12:46 PM
I just hope we can look back on this situation after Cruz catches the winning TD in the Super Bowl next Feb.

Keep the faith!

gmen46
05-14-2013, 12:58 PM
8.5 mil per year for 5 years $42millon contract $20 million guarnteed should get the deal signed

Given the context of recent premier WR contracts--from Mike Wallace and Dwayne Bowe inflated contracts to C Johnson's "face of the franchise" $18 million per" contract--I think this is very close to what the final contract looks like for Cruz, in general terms, especially in light of recent reports of Giants offers to him.

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 01:04 PM
I'm completely with you. DEFINITELY not worth paying him 10-11 mil

They aren't offering him that amount

speedman
05-14-2013, 01:24 PM
They were already at 8 two weeks ago. I don't think the annual $ was the biggest sticking point. I think it was the term and the guarantee.Who was at 8 and how do you know? Has anyone made it public?

JsBigBlue
05-14-2013, 03:27 PM
8.5 mil per year for 5 years $42millon contract $20 million guarnteed should get the deal signed I like this deal but I think it should have a stipulation that the next time he throws a game against Dallas we get to deduct $1 million per game.

Morehead State
05-14-2013, 03:30 PM
8.5 mil per year for 5 years $42millon contract $20 million guarnteed should get the deal signed
If we sign this deal with Cruz, that will hurt our team.

drewz
05-14-2013, 03:36 PM
I like this deal but I think it should have a stipulation that the next time he throws a game against Dallas we get to deduct $1 million per game.

You like that deal, even though you admit he's a receiver that can't beat press coverage?

drewz
05-14-2013, 03:41 PM
Nothing going on at the moment

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/25534/sources-nothing-imminent-in-victor-cruz-contract-talks (http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/25534/sources-nothing-imminent-in-victor-cruz-contract-talks)

JsBigBlue
05-14-2013, 04:13 PM
I like this deal but I think it should have a stipulation that the next time he throws a game against Dallas we get to deduct $1 million per game.


You like that deal, even though you admit he's a receiver that can't beat press coverage? Where did you get the idea that he cant play press coverage from what I said?

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 04:16 PM
Who was at 8 and how do you know? Has anyone made it public? It was reported within the past few weeks and posted here. Every $$ amount reported is speculation except for the $7 M Tisch let out.

ryan12
05-14-2013, 04:17 PM
If we sign this deal with Cruz, that will hurt our team.

how would this contract hurt team do you know what the cap ramifactions would be or are you just saying this

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 04:17 PM
I like this deal but I think it should have a stipulation that the next time he throws a game against Dallas we get to deduct $1 million per game. How did he "throw" the game?

JsBigBlue
05-14-2013, 04:38 PM
How did he "throw" the game? Go back and watch it. Wide open passes he just dropped. Players have there bad days and I get that but to me it just looked like he was throwing the game. I could be wrong but he had never played that poorly.

Toadofsteel
05-14-2013, 04:47 PM
Go back and watch it. Wide open passes he just dropped. Players have there bad days and I get that but to me it just looked like he was throwing the game. I could be wrong but he had never played that poorly.

I had a feeling he was "throwing" the game, but then he had a couple of other equally disastrous showings (Pittsburgh and Atlanta come to mind)... now I just know why he went undrafted: Hit him hard once and he's pretty much taken out for the rest of the game because he's seeing ghosts like Tom Brady... Even if it's a penalty and you give up a TD after that, it's worth it strategically... scumbag decision, but strategically viable.

Rudyy
05-14-2013, 04:50 PM
I had a feeling he was "throwing" the game, but then he had a couple of other equally disastrous showings (Pittsburgh and Atlanta come to mind)... now I just know why he went undrafted: Hit him hard once and he's pretty much taken out for the rest of the game because he's seeing ghosts like Tom Brady... Even if it's a penalty and you give up a TD after that, it's worth it strategically... scumbag decision, but strategically viable.Uh...he went undrafted for academic reasons..

gmen46
05-14-2013, 05:12 PM
how would this contract hurt team do you know what the cap ramifactions would be or are you just saying this

You know he likes to provoke, don't you?

danielboone
05-14-2013, 05:15 PM
I had a feeling he was "throwing" the game, but then he had a couple of other equally disastrous showings (Pittsburgh and Atlanta come to mind)... now I just know why he went undrafted: Hit him hard once and he's pretty much taken out for the rest of the game because he's seeing ghosts like Tom Brady... Even if it's a penalty and you give up a TD after that, it's worth it strategically... scumbag decision, but strategically viable.

If you think he threw the Dallas game, then you must think he threw those other games too. More games thrown, more money under the table. So you must think we shouldn't offer this guy any kind of long-term contract. Just a tender offer and once he's signed we sell him. Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Sell off the guy that had the most receiving yards in your team and was among the league leaders in receiving yards. He's just a bum anyway. Completely useless after you hit him once. Yeah, that describes all of this guy's career. Forget about all those games where he came back to make plays after being hammered in the slot. Those were just forgettable details. We have so many football geniuses on these boards. Of course, I would put the last few sentences in red if I knew how.

FBomb
05-14-2013, 05:35 PM
Cruz: "I'm ready to think about making a decision about deciding to make a decision"

Toadofsteel
05-14-2013, 06:17 PM
If you think he threw the Dallas game, then you must think he threw those other games too. More games thrown, more money under the table. So you must think we shouldn't offer this guy any kind of long-term contract. Just a tender offer and once he's signed we sell him. Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Sell off the guy that had the most receiving yards in your team and was among the league leaders in receiving yards. He's just a bum anyway. Completely useless after you hit him once. Yeah, that describes all of this guy's career. Forget about all those games where he came back to make plays after being hammered in the slot. Those were just forgettable details. We have so many football geniuses on these boards. Of course, I would put the last few sentences in red if I knew how.

You misunderstand what I was saying. I USED to think he threw the game, UNTIL the showings at pittsburgh and atlanta...

GameTime
05-14-2013, 06:39 PM
Go back and watch it. Wide open passes he just dropped. Players have there bad days and I get that but to me it just looked like he was throwing the game. I could be wrong but he had never played that poorly.

**** that......

UKAnt14
05-14-2013, 06:40 PM
http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/giantsblog/giants_cruz_on_yard_line_of_contract_nv6gUI4JCX29c CErG7c8xH#axzz2TDp9jeSb

A source told The Post that Cruz and the Giants, 'are on the 2-yard line,' in successfully completing their lengthy negotiation on a new, lucrative long-term contract.


"Both sides just need to give a little bit,'' said the source. "But it's going to happen.'


Cruz, who was been remarkably professional in not going public with his thoughts and feelings throughout the process, Tuesday offered The Post his first hints that his dream of remaining in New York are close to fruition.


"In a perfect world I want to finish my career here,'' Cruz said in an exclusive interview. "I'm from here, born and raised in New Jersey. I wouldn't want to play anywhere else. But I understand it's a business and all of that. In a perfect world, this is there I'd like to be.''


When asked he thought a deal with the Giants is close, Cruz said, "I'd rather not answer any type of questions now but it's moving.''
Is he cautiously optimistic?


"It's moving,'' he said with a smile."

Alive741
05-14-2013, 06:58 PM
I've been a pretty big Victor Cruz supporter throughout this contract mess and obviously the past seasons..but, even I'm getting annoyed with all of this now. He'd better have one hell of a season when he's done "negotiating." Otherwise, it will be chalked up to him missing all the stuff going on now.

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 09:00 PM
Go back and watch it. Wide open passes he just dropped. Players have there bad days and I get that but to me it just looked like he was throwing the game. I could be wrong but he had never played that poorly.

Throwing the game as in a crime?

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 09:01 PM
I've been a pretty big Victor Cruz supporter throughout this contract mess and obviously the past seasons..but, even I'm getting annoyed with all of this now. He'd better have one hell of a season when he's done "negotiating." Otherwise, it will be chalked up to him missing all the stuff going on now.

Help me understand what "all of this now" is?

RoanokeFan
05-14-2013, 09:04 PM
I had a feeling he was "throwing" the game, but then he had a couple of other equally disastrous showings (Pittsburgh and Atlanta come to mind)... now I just know why he went undrafted: Hit him hard once and he's pretty much taken out for the rest of the game because he's seeing ghosts like Tom Brady... Even if it's a penalty and you give up a TD after that, it's worth it strategically... scumbag decision, but strategically viable.

WOW

Morehead State
05-14-2013, 09:27 PM
how would this contract hurt team do you know what the cap ramifactions would be or are you just saying this
I suppose we could manipulate the cap consequences, but eventually it would be a huge cap hit for our #2.
We have to prioritize better.

giantsfan420
05-14-2013, 09:30 PM
i dunno what the issue is at this point. cruz wants to be paid more than just a slot WR. So give him top 5 #2 WR avg.d out. That way we dont overpay, bc hes not really a #1. But he's like as good as u r gonna gett from the slot and as the 2. So thats what I expect to see here with the contract soon.

ElIteManning10
05-14-2013, 10:58 PM
Cruz is a guy who was undrafted with pretty much no hype.. and he's put up two straight 1000 yard seasons with at least 9TD.. He will get more than a slot receiver does whether its from the Giants or someone else.

JsBigBlue
05-14-2013, 11:11 PM
Plain and simple he is not a number #1 WR...This is another Shockey & Osi way of handling things which is a bad way of showing true Giants fans how he truely feels about our team...We supported him when he was a no-body and now he feels as if his shorts are to big with his tango dance moves and some of his questionable game play...Like the Dallas game...End this contract stand off because he is not better then this team and not a number #1 WR...So end the stand off and get to work.

Gmen2005
05-15-2013, 04:20 AM
Man, I hope it's not too much money. I love Cruz but I'd hate to be strapped in for an absurd amount of money when we have some key players coming up soon who need extensions.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 05:32 AM
I suppose we could manipulate the cap consequences, but eventually it would be a huge cap hit for our #2.
We have to prioritize better.

I think Reese knows best as to the CAP implications over time. If we believe Reese won't "overpay" for any player, how can we lament whatever he agrees to pay a player?

Flip Empty
05-15-2013, 05:41 AM
I think Reese knows best as to the CAP implications over time.
His fondness for restructuring would suggest otherwise

Rat_bastich
05-15-2013, 05:41 AM
Plain and simple he is not a number #1 WR...This is another Shockey & Osi way of handling things which is a bad way of showing true Giants fans how he truely feels about our team...We supported him when he was a no-body and now he feels as if his shorts are to big with his tango dance moves and some of his questionable game play...Like the Dallas game...End this contract stand off because he is not better then this team and not a number #1 WR...So end the stand off and get to work.

This makes absolutely no sense. Osi and Shockey were disgruntled and let it be known via the media, Osi even calling Reese a liar at one point. This, if anything, is no news and has been no news since the beginning. Neither side has said anything negative about each other or negative about the situation. There is plenty of time for a contract to get done and it would be asinine for either side to rush into something. Cruz wants security and the Giants want to make sure they will get their moneys worth. Both deserve it. What that amounts to will be determined by both parties as neither will get what they totally want and will meet somewhere in the middle.

If anything this has been one of the quietest negotiations I have ever seen and maybe thats why people are getting annoyed.

If Cruz and the Giants are not in a rush, as a fan I'm not in a rush. Get the deal done eventually and factor in Nicks next season.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 05:42 AM
His fondness for restructuring would suggest otherwise

Is he the only GM who restructures? It's not an exact science, but to suggest Reese doesn't have more informatoin available to him than we do is hard to imagine.

Moke
05-15-2013, 08:59 AM
YO THAT'S AWESOME!!

ryan12
05-15-2013, 09:29 AM
You know he likes to provoke, don't you?

haha yeah i know good ole morehead lol

ryan12
05-15-2013, 09:31 AM
I suppose we could manipulate the cap consequences, but eventually it would be a huge cap hit for our #2.
We have to prioritize better.

cruz has been one of the most productive wr in nfl past 2 seasons. losing him would be devestating to our team

Rudyy
05-15-2013, 09:34 AM
@art_stapleton: If Victor Cruz contract's on 2-yd line as source told the Post, for his sake hopefully #NYG have improved in short yardage #BringOnTynes LOLOLOL

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 10:08 AM
cruz has been one of the most productive wr in nfl past 2 seasons. losing him would be devestating to our team
To us he's a $6MM WR. He's very good and I love the kid. But we will actually have to cut some solid vets in order to make the deal you suggest.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 12:00 PM
To us he's a $6MM WR. He's very good and I love the kid. But we will actually have to cut some solid vets in order to make the deal you suggest.

I'm thinking you are giong to be very disappointed with the contract my friend. They have reportedly already upped the $7M to $8M

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 12:02 PM
I'm thinking you are giong to be very disappointed with the contract my friend. They have reportedly already upped the $7M to $8M
I would be disappointed. I would also be shocked if that is true. (And I mean IF) That would be a huge hit to our ability to improve our team in the future, along with making the signing of JPP and Nicks more problematical.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 12:08 PM
I would be disappointed. I would also be shocked if that is true. (And I mean IF) That would be a huge hit to our ability to improve our team in the future, along with making the signing of JPP and Nicks more problematical.

I don't think it's as big a problem as you portray it to be. You have said, as have most here, "Reese won't overpay." If we believe that, and I do, how can Cruz's contract hurt the team in either the short or long term? Contracts are not entered into in a vacuum because of the CAP. But after 2013, the CAP situation improves by virtue of the free agent list in 2014.

It would be better to just wait and see what the terms are an d then assault the parapets.

You recall Tisch saying the deal was better than Welker's? That puts in in the $7M range. In the last two weeks it was reported it has nudged up another notch to $8M. It's all speculation after $7M but it's not going to "break the bank."

Shimmy
05-15-2013, 12:10 PM
"Sources tell the New York Daily News that restricted free agent Victor Cruz has lowered his contract demands"

He's not going anywhere. He's realized he's not going to get No. 1 wideout type money. He will accept more towards the $8M per that the Giants are offering.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 12:12 PM
"Sources tell the New York Daily News that restricted free agent Victor Cruz has lowered his contract demands"

He's not going anywhere. He's realized he's not going to get No. 1 wideout type money. He will accept more towards the $8M per that the Giants are offering.

That's about right. There is the term and guarantee to work out as well.

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 12:18 PM
That's about right. There is the term and guarantee to work out as well.
$8MM is ridiculous. Let him sign his tender and then franchise him next year. That's about $6.5MM average.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 12:20 PM
$8MM is ridiculous. Let him sign his tender and then franchise him next year. That's about $6.5MM average.

Why should he do that with the offer now, reportedly, at $8M?

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 12:22 PM
Why should he do that with the offer now, reportedly, at $8M?
Because I don't believe it. It would be a terrible move for us.
Why would we offer $8MM when the team has all the advantages? Makes no sense at all.
Plus that sets a huge precident for Nicks which would put him in the $10 to $12MM catagory.

No sir....I simply don't believe it. And if it turns out to be true, it will hurt the team.

We would have to have $20MM tied to our two top WR's. Then if Randle proves himself, we will be in a terrible position.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 12:25 PM
Because I don't believe it. It would be a terrible move for us.
Why would we offer $8MM when the team has all the advantages? Makes no sense at all.
Plus that sets a huge precident for Nicks which would put him in the $10 to $12MM catagory.

No sir....I simply don't believe it. And if it turns out to be true, it will hurt the team.

We, yet again, will agree to disagree. Nicks is going to have his own issues getting $10 - 12M because of his injury history and Reese's ability to use Cruz's numbers for two years as leverage which he will do as he uses Nicks' #1 status to reduce Cruz's value.

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 12:27 PM
Plus you guys are getting preoccupied with the annual salary. It doesn't mean that much.
Its about the years and the guaranteed money. If the guarantee is lower, we can always either release or renegotiate down the road.

So $7mm, $6mm, $8mm....all mean nothing. Tell me what our obligation is and for how long. Tell me what the dead money is if we cut him or if he gets hurt.

You guys are too fixed on the annual salary.

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 12:30 PM
We, yet again, will agree to disagree. Nicks is going to have his own issues getting $10 - 12M because of his injury history and Reese's ability to use Cruz's numbers for two years as leverage which he will do as he uses Nicks' #1 status to reduce Cruz's value.
If Nicks has 1400 yards and 12 TD's which he is completely capable of then we will be screwed next season. Look at his history. He hasn't missed as many games as some think. This past season was much more a matter of coming back too soon from the foot and creating other physical problems as a product.
Nicks is a great player and WILL command a huge payday. We screw ourselves into the ground by overpaying for Cruz. WE are holding the cards, we don't have to pay him what you are suggesting.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 12:32 PM
If Nicks has 1400 yards and 12 TD's which he is completely capable of then we will be screwed next season. Look at his history. He hasn't missed as many games as some think. This past season was much more a matter of coming back too soon from the foot and creating other physical problems as a product.
Nicks is a great player and WILL command a huge payday. We screw ourselves into the ground by overpaying for Cruz. WE are holding the cards, we don't have to pay him what you are suggesting.

I have Edible Arrangements on speed dial for you when Cruz's contract details are finally publicized. :o

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 12:33 PM
I have Edible Arrangements on speed dial for you when Cruz's contract details are finally publicized. :o

I am a tad surprised that you are citing "reports" when you and I have both spent the last 2 months dismissing them as rumors.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 12:35 PM
I am a tad surprised that you are citing "reports" when you and I have both spent the last 2 months dismissing them as rumors.

Read what I am writing. I an taking what Steve Tisch said as gospel. Everything else is speculation.

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 12:38 PM
Read what I am writing. I an taking what Steve Tisch said as gospel. Everything else is speculation.
Didn't you just say within the last hour that we upped our offer to $8MM?
I agree that his comments from a few months ago suggest that the teams offer is better than what Welker got. But that could be the total offer for more years, and/or more guarantee. Not necessarily more annual pay.

BigBlue wins
05-15-2013, 12:46 PM
If Cruz was offered around 7m/year, I'm scratching my head on that one.

It's always nice to have a lot of money, but come on man, that's a ton of dough. If I were him I'd take 7-8 mill per year and be perfectly fine with that.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 01:20 PM
Didn't you just say within the last hour that we upped our offer to $8MM?
I agree that his comments from a few months ago suggest that the teams offer is better than what Welker got. But that could be the total offer for more years, and/or more guarantee. Not necessarily more annual pay.

I said it was reported that we raised the offer to $8M which can't be a shock since it started at $7M.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 01:21 PM
If Cruz was offered around 7m/year, I'm scratching my head on that one.

It's always nice to have a lot of money, but come on man, that's a ton of dough. If I were him I'd take 7-8 mill per year and be perfectly fine with that.

He's going to take it

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 01:26 PM
I said is was reported that we raised the offer to $8M which can't be a shock since it started at $7M.
I strongly doubt we started at $7MM/year, unless much of that is voidable.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 01:29 PM
I strongly doubt we started at $7MM/year, unless much of that is voidable.

Condon won't take a voidable deal for a play maker in his prime.

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 01:32 PM
Condon won't take a voidable deal for a play maker in his prime.
Then have him sign the tender and our options are endless.
It makes no sense to offer what you are suggesting when he's a RFA with no offers and staring at a tender of less than $3MM. NO sense at all.
Why would we do it and compromise our abilty to improve our team in other areas.
You set this standard for a #2 WR and what do you think Nicks' agent and JPP's agent are going to ask for?

giantsfan420
05-15-2013, 01:33 PM
He's going to take itmaybe maybe not. are u implying that its a done deal bc of the article or...?cant see how u could make that claim unless it was ur opinion, it just seems like a definitive statement.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 01:36 PM
Then have him sign the tender and our options are endless.
It makes no sense to offer what you are suggesting when he's a RFA with no offers and staring at a tender of less than $3MM. NO sense at all.
Why would we do it and compromise our abilty to improve our team in other areas.
You set this standard for a #2 WR and what do you think Nicks' agent and JPP's agent are going to ask for?

He didn't get any offers because of the tender, not because of his potential/talent. I don't agree with your premise that the ship will sink because of Cruz's contract.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 01:37 PM
maybe maybe not. are u implying that its a done deal bc of the article or...?cant see how u could make that claim unless it was ur opinion, it just seems like a definitive statement.

It's my opinion, I am allowed to have one

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 02:40 PM
He didn't get any offers because of the tender, not because of his potential/talent. I don't agree with your premise that the ship will sink because of Cruz's contract.
I obviously understand that. It wasn't a point made to describe his marketability. It was a point to show his limited options this season.
He could certainly play for the tender amount and become a free agent next year. And I'm sure he would command a larger pay day.
But would he ever get back the amount he loses by playing for the tender, and is he willing to risk an injury where he would have far less worth on the market?
This is what he faces.

BigBlue wins
05-15-2013, 03:17 PM
He's going to take it


I hope so RF, I hope so

Morehead State
05-15-2013, 03:19 PM
I hope so RF, I hope so
It would be better for the Giants if he didn't.

RoanokeFan
05-15-2013, 03:45 PM
It would be better for the Giants if he didn't.

The Giants will do what's best for the team and the long term