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RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 03:30 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/16/dwight-freeneys-father-hugh-says-son-cant-play-for-new-york-giants-because-theyre-broke/

Excerpt: "Back in mid-February, free agent defensive end Dwight Freeney (http://www.giants101.com/tag/dwight-freeney/) said playing for the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants "would be a dream. (http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/20/dwight-freeney-says-playing-for-new-york-giants-would-be-a-dream/)" And briefly, it appeared as if Big Blue would give him serious consideration when General Manager Jerry Reese (http://www.giants101.com/tag/jerry-reese/) said the team would "investigate" him (http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/23/new-york-giants-jerry-reese-wont-rule-out-use-of-franchise-tag-will-investigate-dwight-freeney/). However, nothing materialized and Freeney remains unsigned.

That may soon be coming to an end, however. The San Diego (http://www.giants101.com/tag/san-diego/) Chargers are reportedly pursuing him aggressively, but Freeney's heart remains set on New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) … or so says his Father, Hugh (https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/dwight-freeneys-father-hugh).

So, why won't he be in East Rutherford in 2013? Well, apparently, it's because the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants are completely "broke."


"He'd love to be with the Giants, but the Giants unfortunately don't have the money for him. They're broke," Hugh said told Adam Schein.


On the contrary, the Giants have cleared a significant amount of cap room and prior to the Aaron Curry deal, were an estimated $4,580,958 under the cap (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154634/article/remaining-salarycap-space-for-each-nfl-team). So the more likely problem was Hugh's admission right out of the gate: "it's about money now." Read more...

EnragedYouth85
05-16-2013, 03:35 PM
lol, like the Giant's would tell Freeney that..

jomo
05-16-2013, 03:36 PM
...............and Freeney's dad is a rocket scientist.

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 03:36 PM
He probably wants more than they would pay him regardless of the CAP. It could be a face saving thing.

gmen0820
05-16-2013, 03:36 PM
Oh well. Sorry, Dwight.

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 03:37 PM
Oh well. Sorry, Dwight.

Yet another sleepless night coming :(

EnragedYouth85
05-16-2013, 03:38 PM
Yet another sleepless night coming :(

Have you tried cuddling a stuffed animal, I hear it helps...

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 03:41 PM
Have you tried cuddling a stuffed animal, I hear it helps...

It may come to that

pacco_diablo
05-16-2013, 03:42 PM
Martha Stewart broke or M.C. Hammer broke?

EnragedYouth85
05-16-2013, 03:49 PM
It may come to that

lol thats what my 2 year old does..

I hear with old are you start to regress so that might just work with you :p

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 03:52 PM
lol thats what my 2 year old does..

I hear with old are you start to regress so that might just work with you :p

You clearly me have me confused with someone I'm not. Now if I could only remember who I am....

Harooni
05-16-2013, 03:53 PM
(shakes head at FO cap and salary managment)

EnragedYouth85
05-16-2013, 03:54 PM
You clearly me have me confused with someone I'm not. Now if I could only remember who I am....

lol, your that old dude that moderates the GMB and usually has some pretty logical posts :)

jomo
05-16-2013, 03:55 PM
You clearly me have me confused with someone I'm not. Now if I could only remember who I am....I've got several good jokes on that topic!

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 03:55 PM
lol, your that old dude that moderates the GMB and usually has some pretty logical posts :)

Seriously? Damn Skippy!

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 03:56 PM
I've got several good jokes on that topic!

I can only imagine

EnragedYouth85
05-16-2013, 03:57 PM
Seriously? Damn Skippy!

Plus a post count that I will never get to, haha.

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:02 PM
Plus a post count that I will never get to, haha.

Just keep plugging along, you can do it. By that time we'll be in a newer even drabbier building in the Meadowlands.

Morehead State
05-16-2013, 04:05 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/16/dwight-freeneys-father-hugh-says-son-cant-play-for-new-york-giants-because-theyre-broke/

Excerpt: "Back in mid-February, free agent defensive end Dwight Freeney (http://www.giants101.com/tag/dwight-freeney/) said playing for the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants "would be a dream. (http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/20/dwight-freeney-says-playing-for-new-york-giants-would-be-a-dream/)" And briefly, it appeared as if Big Blue would give him serious consideration when General Manager Jerry Reese (http://www.giants101.com/tag/jerry-reese/) said the team would "investigate" him (http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/23/new-york-giants-jerry-reese-wont-rule-out-use-of-franchise-tag-will-investigate-dwight-freeney/). However, nothing materialized and Freeney remains unsigned.

That may soon be coming to an end, however. The San Diego (http://www.giants101.com/tag/san-diego/) Chargers are reportedly pursuing him aggressively, but Freeney's heart remains set on New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) or so says his Father, Hugh (https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/dwight-freeneys-father-hugh).

So, why won't he be in East Rutherford in 2013? Well, apparently, it's because the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants are completely "broke."


"He'd love to be with the Giants, but the Giants unfortunately don't have the money for him. They're broke," Hugh said told Adam Schein.


On the contrary, the Giants have cleared a significant amount of cap room and prior to the Aaron Curry deal, were an estimated $4,580,958 under the cap (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154634/article/remaining-salarycap-space-for-each-nfl-team). So the more likely problem was Hugh's admission right out of the gate: "it's about money now." Read more...

He's right. What's going to happen when we sign our draftees (which will be about $4.5 to $5MM) AND then overpay for Victor Cruz?

Freeney's Dad actually has his pulse on the New York Football Giants.

FBomb
05-16-2013, 04:06 PM
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gumby74
05-16-2013, 04:06 PM
that's pretty funny

FBomb
05-16-2013, 04:08 PM
He's right. What's going to happen when we sign our draftees (which will be about $4.5 to $5MM) AND then overpay for Victor Cruz?

Freeney's Dad actually has his pulse on the New York Football Giants.


Are you going to be doing that in every thread? I will be sorely disappointed.

Harooni
05-16-2013, 04:08 PM
Juzst keep plugging along, you can do it. By that time we'll be in a newer even drabbier building in the Meadowlands.

oh come on Roa could have let that cruz thread go on a little at least. lol

Morehead State
05-16-2013, 04:11 PM
Are you going to be doing that in every thread? I will be sorely disappointed.
I'm just saying our cap situation is dire and it could very well keep us from addressing needs. I actually think that we would be better off without Dwight Freeney. Good player but we need to get younger on the D line.
But it is the reason we haven't been able to sign a guy like Eric Winston.

Just because we are under the cap doesn't mean we have the free money with other obligations to address.

jomo
05-16-2013, 04:12 PM
oh come on Roa could have let that cruz thread go on a little at least. lolRF chopped my legs out from under me on my reply! lol what I said to 'rooni was............."nicely played as the first one to run this at us but the next guy is gonna get hammered.

Harooni
05-16-2013, 04:13 PM
morehead is correct once again, its not the point we missed out on freeney, but who else we missed out on and again we dont have real starting Linebackers and maybe some other improvements on D or Oline.

Harooni
05-16-2013, 04:14 PM
RF chopped my legs out from under me on my reply! lol what I said to 'rooni was............."nicely played as the first one to run this at us but the next guy is gonna get hammered. haha im lucky we have cool mods i could of got a vaca for it, but technically i didnt report false news. just a clever play on words. hehe

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:16 PM
He's right. What's going to happen when we sign our draftees (which will be about $4.5 to $5MM) AND then overpay for Victor Cruz?

Freeney's Dad actually has his pulse on the New York Football Giants.

I think it was you pretending to be the senior Freeney

Morehead State
05-16-2013, 04:17 PM
haha im lucky we have cool mods i could of got a vaca for it, but technically i didnt report false news. just a clever play on words. hehe
Yeah but BigJeep did the exact same thing a couple of days ago. They may never find his body.

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:17 PM
RF chopped my legs out from under me on my reply! lol what I said to 'rooni was............."nicely played as the first one to run this at us but the next guy is gonna get hammered.

Haroni was actually late to the party, someone else attempted this non-humorous ploy a few days ago.

jomo
05-16-2013, 04:18 PM
Haroni was actually late to the party, someone else attempted this non-humorous ploy a few days ago.In that case, I hate 'rooni. ;)

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:20 PM
Yeah but BigJeep did the exact same thing a couple of days ago. They may never find his body.

I actually tried this myself before BigJeep and the first FIVE posts were "sure, he's a MOD, if I tried that..." so in the interests of fair play, I deleted my own failed attempt at humor and, ergo, everyone else's lest we offend the truly comedic deprived.

Harooni
05-16-2013, 04:21 PM
Yeah but BigJeep did the exact same thing a couple of days ago. They may never find his body. i guess i missed it. he doesnt have my flare though. ;)

Harooni
05-16-2013, 04:23 PM
hahaa ok Roa . well getting back on topic. Our salary cap is in a state that you would think Vince young was our treasurer

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:24 PM
i guess i missed it. he doesnt have my flare though. ;)

NO ONE, has your "flare."

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:25 PM
hahaa ok Roa . well getting back on topic. Our salary cap is in a state that you would think Vince young was our treasurer

In this very report, it is noted that our CAP until the Curry signing, was close to $5M

Harooni
05-16-2013, 04:28 PM
In this very report, it is noted that our CAP until the Curry signing, was close to $5M thats minus cruz and some rookies that didnt sign yet . even so ok we get under the cap , but the point is we dont have $$$ to sign others we might have wanted

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:30 PM
thats minus cruz and some rookies that didnt sign yet . even so ok we get under the cap , but the point is we dont have $$$ to sign others we might have wanted

That will always be the case. BTW, I don't think Cruz will get an $8M salary in 2013. I suspect it will be closer to $4M.

FBomb
05-16-2013, 04:31 PM
I'm just saying our cap situation is dire and it could very well keep us from addressing needs. I actually think that we would be better off without Dwight Freeney. Good player but we need to get younger on the D line.
But it is the reason we haven't been able to sign a guy like Eric Winston.

Just because we are under the cap doesn't mean we have the free money with other obligations to address.

Yeah....I don't want him either but I'm refering to the "overpaying Cruz" craziness.

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:35 PM
Yeah....I don't want him either but I'm refering to the "overpaying Cruz" craziness.

Younger players are also less expensive, generally speaking

Morehead State
05-16-2013, 04:36 PM
Yeah....I don't want him either but I'm refering to the "overpaying Cruz" craziness.
That was just Morehead being Morehead.

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 04:36 PM
Wesley Snipes could do a better job managing cap space

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:37 PM
Wesley Snipes could do a better job managing cap space

From his cell?

TCHOF
05-16-2013, 04:44 PM
Wesley Snipes could do a better job managing cap space

Show me a team with a franchise QB who has gotten paid that doesn't have salary cap issues.

Harooni
05-16-2013, 04:55 PM
Show me a team with a franchise QB who has gotten paid that doesn't have salary cap issues.

packers have almost 16mill in space.

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 04:56 PM
packers have almost 16mill in space.

Before or after his newest contract?

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 05:01 PM
Show me a team with a franchise QB who has gotten paid that doesn't have salary cap issues.

I don't know of any franchise qbs with salary cap issues

Harooni
05-16-2013, 05:06 PM
Before or after his newest contract? as of april 23rd.

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 05:07 PM
as of april 23rd.

Didn't he just get the "highest salary" award?

As of April 27th:

Excerpt: Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers) have agreed on a five-year, $110 million contract extension, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Rodgers is guaranteed an NFL-record $62.5 million, sources told Schefter, which includes the three-year cash total and guarantee in the contract.The deal will also set the highest salary per season in NFL history, eclipsing the $120.6 million over six years the Baltimore Ravens (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens) gave quarterback Joe Flacco (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11252/joe-flacco) in March." Read more...

pacco_diablo
05-16-2013, 05:08 PM
Martha Stewart broke or M.C. Hammer broke?

I guess no one picked up on the quote from White Chicks. Thought it was pretty funny myself.

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 05:15 PM
I guess no one picked up on the quote from White Chicks. Thought it was pretty funny myself.

No one picked up on it because no one has seen that terrible movie

Harooni
05-16-2013, 05:17 PM
Didn't he just get the "highest salary" award?

As of April 27th:

Excerpt: Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packers (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/gb/green-bay-packers) have agreed on a five-year, $110 million contract extension, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

Rodgers is guaranteed an NFL-record $62.5 million, sources told Schefter, which includes the three-year cash total and guarantee in the contract.The deal will also set the highest salary per season in NFL history, eclipsing the $120.6 million over six years the Baltimore Ravens (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/bal/baltimore-ravens) gave quarterback Joe Flacco (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/11252/joe-flacco) in March." Read more...


i guess it aldepends whats salary and prorated bonus. could be back loaded

EnragedYouth85
05-16-2013, 05:19 PM
i guess it aldepends whats salary and prorated bonus. could be back loaded

Could def be backloaded.. I'd say a good 18 - 25% of a teams cap is usually a francise QB's salary.. whether they deserve it or not..

RoanokeFan
05-16-2013, 05:19 PM
That was just Morehead being Morehead.

And who better to accomplish that than Morehead?

TCHOF
05-16-2013, 05:22 PM
I don't know of any franchise qbs with salary cap issues

Maybe take a look at the Ravens, last year's SB champs.

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 05:22 PM
Maybe take a look at the Ravens, last year's SB champs.

Joe Flacco has cap issues? Hmm news to me.

TCHOF
05-16-2013, 05:29 PM
Joe Flacco has cap issues? Hmm news to me.

Guess that I can't expect you to understand the salary cap if you can't read.

pacco_diablo
05-16-2013, 05:47 PM
No one picked up on it because no one has seen that terrible movie

hahaha. Dude. I grew up watching In Living Color so maybe it's just my type of humor, but that shizz was funny, especially that part.

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 05:49 PM
Guess that I can't expect you to understand the salary cap if you can't read.

I was poking fun at you, because the way you worded your OP you made it seem as if the franchise QBs are the ones that have to worry about the salary cap. Nice insult though, too bad my little jab went WHOOSH right over your head!

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 05:49 PM
hahaha. Dude. I grew up watching In Living Color so maybe it's just my type of humor, but that shizz was funny, especially that part.

In living color was great, the whole white face idea behind white chicks was pretty stupid though imo

TCHOF
05-16-2013, 05:59 PM
I was poking fun at you, because the way you worded your OP you made it seem as if the franchise QBs are the ones that have to worry about the salary cap. Nice insult though, too bad my little jab went WHOOSH right over your head!

Wow, what a funny guy! LOL. I won't stop laughing about this one for quite a while!

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 06:17 PM
Wow, what a funny guy! LOL. I won't stop laughing about this one for quite a while!

My fault I guess, then again I really couldn't have made it more obvious if I tried. I have to say though its nice to see that you've maintained that same cheerful demeanor as you had with your previous handle that got banned.

TCHOF
05-16-2013, 06:32 PM
My fault I guess, then again I really couldn't have made it more obvious if I tried. I have to say though its nice to see that you've maintained that same cheerful demeanor as you had with your previous handle that got banned.

You continue to make no sense whatsoever. I had no previous handle that got banned. Maybe it's possible that there are two people in the world that don't find your jokes funny?

Your reference to my "cheerful demeanor" are laughable given your own posts on this thread. Also, you may want to take note that when you "poke fun" at other posters, you may get a less than "cheerful" response.

In the end, though, all you are doing is avoiding a response to my football statement because you recognize that your statement that Wesley Snipes could handle the salary cap better than the Giants FO (what a cheerful statement!) is unsupportable.

Have a good night.

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 06:41 PM
You continue to make no sense whatsoever. I had no previous handle that got banned. Maybe it's possible that there are two people in the world that don't find your jokes funny?

Your reference to my "cheerful demeanor" are laughable given your own posts on this thread.

In the end, though, all you are doing is avoiding a response to my football statement because you recognize that your statement that "a monkey could handle the salary cap better than the Giants FO" (what a cheerful statement!) is unsupportable.

The same style of writing as well as using the same avatar makes it painfully obvious, sorry but you aren't fooling anyone.

As far as your football statement is concerned, you are just wrong. Go look at the numbers, Packers have over 13 mil in cap space, which is the most out of anyone in their division, The Broncos have 8.5 mil in cap space, again the most cap room in their division, and pats have 8.7 mil in cap space. Those teams have arguably the best 3 Quarterbacks in the league on their respective teams, so why do they not have cap issues?

As far as my "monkey" statement is concerned, are you trying to imply that Wesley Snipes is a monkey? If not, then what the hell are you talking about?

egyptian420
05-16-2013, 06:46 PM
In other news, the sky is blue

TCHOF
05-16-2013, 06:48 PM
The same style of writing as well as using the same avatar makes it painfully obvious, sorry but you aren't fooling anyone.

As far as your football statement is concerned, you are just wrong. Go look at the numbers, Packers have over 13 mil in cap space, which is the most out of anyone in their division, The Broncos have 8.5 mil in cap space, again the most cap room in their division, and pats have 8.7 mil in cap space. Those teams have arguably the best 3 Quarterbacks in the league on their respective teams, so why do they not have cap issues?

As far as my "monkey" statement is concerned, are you trying to imply that Wesley Snipes is a monkey? If not, then what the hell are you talking about?

Does the Packers' number include Aaron Rogers recent deal as well as Clay Matthews deal?

The other teams have $3M more in cap space than the Giants, which is an insignificant number. What about the Ravens and the Steelers . . . . two very well run organizations?

See, isn't it easier to just talk about football? Problems always arise when someone who isn't funny tries to be . . . .

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 07:03 PM
Does the Packers' number include Aaron Rogers recent deal as well as Clay Matthews deal?

The other teams have $3M more in cap space than the Giants, which is an insignificant number.

See, isn't it easier to just talk about football? Problems always arise when someone who isn't funny tries to be . . . .

Those numbers are from April 30th, which were the most recent figures I could find and yes they include Rodger's contract. As far as the other teams are concerned, they do have a lot of cap room relative to the rest of the league with a few exceptions like the Jags/Browns/Eagles. Its obvious why we are having so many problems with the cap this off season, it has to do with the numerous contracts we recently restructured, such as Eli's and Rolle's.

It's fun to talk football when the person on the other side of the screen actually has some knowledge about the topic at hand, in this case however you weren't even aware of the cap numbers but you still made a blanket statement which is clearly wrong. Not exactly worthy of intelligent discussion is it?

TCHOF
05-16-2013, 07:12 PM
Those numbers are from April 30th, which were the most recent figures I could find and yes they include Rodger's contract. As far as the other teams are concerned, they do have a lot of cap room relative to the rest of the league with a few exceptions like the Jags/Browns/Eagles. Its obvious why we are having so many problems with the cap this off season, it has to do with the numerous contracts we recently restructured, such as Eli's and Rolle's.

It's fun to talk football when the person on the other side of the screen actually has some knowledge about the topic at hand, in this case however you weren't even aware of the cap numbers but you still made a blanket statement which is clearly wrong. Not exactly worthy of intelligent discussion is it?

What blanket statement did I make that was clearly wrong? My initial statement was: "Show me a team with a franchise QB who has gotten paid that doesn't have salary cap issues."

In response, you have identified one team with a franchise QB (the Packers) that appears to have significantly more salary cap space than the Giants. The majority of the teams falling into that category (having franchise QB's that have gotten paid) do not have a significantly better cap situation than the Giants, and a few have a significantly worse cap situation than the Giants (Steelers, Ravens).

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 07:22 PM
What blanket statement did I make that was clearly wrong? My initial statement was: "Show me a team with a franchise QB who has gotten paid that doesn't have salary cap issues."

In response, you have identified one team with a franchise QB (the Packers) that appears to have significantly more salary cap space than the Giants. The majority of the teams falling into that category (having franchise QB's that have gotten paid) do not have a significantly better cap situation than the Giants, and a few have a significantly worse cap situation than the Giants (Steelers, Ravens).

So the difference between 3.92mil(giants cap space) and 3.84mil(Ravens) is significant, as well as the difference between 3.92mil and 467,000(Steelers) according to you, but the differences between 8.7mil(Pats) and 3.92(Giants), as well as 8.4mil(Broncos) and 3.92mil(Giants) are not? That makes complete sense!

Redeyejedi
05-16-2013, 09:05 PM
He probably wants more than they would pay him regardless of the CAP. It could be a face saving thing.I wouldnt give him that money. I wouldnt give him anything more then C Jenkins got per and even thats pushing it

Redeyejedi
05-16-2013, 09:15 PM
Does the Packers' number include Aaron Rogers recent deal as well as Clay Matthews deal?

The other teams have $3M more in cap space than the Giants, which is an insignificant number. What about the Ravens and the Steelers . . . . two very well run organizations?

See, isn't it easier to just talk about football? Problems always arise when someone who isn't funny tries to be . . . .Aaron Rodgers extension has his cap number at 12 million this year. What i dont get is if they have all this cap room get as much guaranteed money out of the way that u can.No point in saving it because u cant. When it balloons to 18 million in 2014 that extra cap space doesnt help

TCHOF
05-16-2013, 09:17 PM
So the difference between 3.92mil(giants cap space) and 3.84mil(Ravens) is significant, as well as the difference between 3.92mil and 467,000(Steelers) according to you, but the differences between 8.7mil(Pats) and 3.92(Giants), as well as 8.4mil(Broncos) and 3.92mil(Giants) are not? That makes complete sense!

You are making the mistake of comparing the current salary cap numbers without considering what the teams had to do to get to those numbers because of their cap "issues". Also, you are failing to consider that it takes about $5M to sign a team's rookies. When those things are taken into account, it seems pretty clear that all of the teams you mention (with the possible exception of the Packers) had salary cap issues that needed to be addressed this offseason.

Both the Ravens and the Steelers had to let a bunch of players go to even get to the salary cap situation where they are now. Their cap situation when the season ended was significantly worse than the Giants.

The Pats had to restructure Brady's deal to get $15M in cap relief over the next two years.

Salary cap concerns basically caused the Broncos to botch the Dumervill deal.

You also left the Saints out of your analysis.

By the way, just curious-- what FA's did you want the Giants to sign that they weren't able to sign because of the salary cap?

Redeyejedi
05-16-2013, 09:19 PM
Does the Packers' number include Aaron Rogers recent deal as well as Clay Matthews deal?

The other teams have $3M more in cap space than the Giants, which is an insignificant number. What about the Ravens and the Steelers . . . . two very well run organizations?

See, isn't it easier to just talk about football? Problems always arise when someone who isn't funny tries to be . . . . Look at the Ravens they are only paying Flacco 6 million this season lets see how great that FO is in 2 years when they have a 30 million dollar cap hit on Flacco

ShakeandBake
05-16-2013, 09:44 PM
You are making the mistake of comparing the current salary cap numbers without considering what the teams had to do to get to those numbers because of their cap "issues". Also, you are failing to consider that it takes about $5M to sign a team's rookies. When those things are taken into account, it seems pretty clear that all of the teams you mention (with the possible exception of the Packers) had salary cap issues that needed to be addressed this offseason.

Both the Ravens and the Steelers had to let a bunch of players go to even get to the salary cap situation where they are now. Their cap situation when the season ended was significantly worse than the Giants.

The Pats had to restructure Brady's deal to get $15M in cap relief over the next two years.

Salary cap concerns basically caused the Broncos to botch the Dumervill deal.

By the way, what FA's did you want the Giants to sign that they weren't able to sign because of the salary cap?

That's a matter of opinion, the Giants can not make a deal with Cruz with the amount of cap space we currently have, nor could we pickup a decent FA linebacker which everyone can agree is a glaring need(someone like Dansby comes to mind). Every team has to make concessions here and there and their team's roster as well as cap space are fluid. This conversation however was originally in regards to franchise QBs and the cap space of their respective teams. Trying to predict the future of salary cap room of a respective team is very difficult if not impossible when factoring in injuries, extensions, restructures, etc. As it stands now, those 3 teams I mentioned are in a better situation cap wise than we are right now, and all three of those teams have franchise quarterbacks as well. We will find out which FO made the right concessions once the season is in full swing.

Getting back to the Giants, if Cruz does get signed, and if we plan on keeping Nicks, we are going to be dedicating about 1/3 of our cap space to those 3 players alone, which will put a tremendous amount of pressure on our offense. Maybe we will make up some ground if we get rid of say Rolle and Diehl for example(next year) but even still its not a great situation to be in. Putting that much money in to the offense is going to come back to bite us in the *** when we aren't going to be able to bring back guys like Joesph. We have too many players on the team that are making more than they should(including Eli, though not his fault due to restructuring) and that's not to take anything away from him and others in the same situation, but something has to give eventually.

Rat_bastich
05-16-2013, 11:04 PM
Cruz' numbers are already figured into the cap this year. His hit will begin next season. No matter what they decided to pay him this year it doesn't matter.

TCHOF
05-17-2013, 07:21 AM
That's a matter of opinion, the Giants can not make a deal with Cruz with the amount of cap space we currently have, nor could we pickup a decent FA linebacker which everyone can agree is a glaring need(someone like Dansby comes to mind). Every team has to make concessions here and there and their team's roster as well as cap space are fluid. This conversation however was originally in regards to franchise QBs and the cap space of their respective teams. Trying to predict the future of salary cap room of a respective team is very difficult if not impossible when factoring in injuries, extensions, restructures, etc. As it stands now, those 3 teams I mentioned are in a better situation cap wise than we are right now, and all three of those teams have franchise quarterbacks as well. We will find out which FO made the right concessions once the season is in full swing.

Getting back to the Giants, if Cruz does get signed, and if we plan on keeping Nicks, we are going to be dedicating about 1/3 of our cap space to those 3 players alone, which will put a tremendous amount of pressure on our offense. Maybe we will make up some ground if we get rid of say Rolle and Diehl for example(next year) but even still its not a great situation to be in. Putting that much money in to the offense is going to come back to bite us in the *** when we aren't going to be able to bring back guys like Joesph. We have too many players on the team that are making more than they should(including Eli, though not his fault due to restructuring) and that's not to take anything away from him and others in the same situation, but something has to give eventually.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the FO let's Cruz, Nicks or JPP walk, they get ripped by the fans. If the FO re-signs all of these guys, they will be ripped ny the same fans for the salary cap issues that will inevitably ensue.

In the end, it seems like a lot of these issues arise when you draft well and have to pony up big money to keep good players. I'm ok with that.

TheAnalyst
05-17-2013, 09:11 AM
Man, this would of been the year of the Syracuse players...

Nassib, Pugh, Sales, Provo... Freeney, sign Tyree back, get McNabb to back up Eli... Bail Marvin Harrison out of jail.

Harooni
05-17-2013, 05:44 PM
Cruz' numbers are already figured into the cap this year. His hit will begin next season. No matter what they decided to pay him this year it doesn't matter. thats not true at all he has no contract as of now. so how would a number not known be already added to the cap?

Giant303
05-17-2013, 06:13 PM
I was under the impression his FA tender was part of the cap figure.

giantsfan420
05-17-2013, 08:11 PM
So the difference between 3.92mil(giants cap space) and 3.84mil(Ravens) is significant, as well as the difference between 3.92mil and 467,000(Steelers) according to you, but the differences between 8.7mil(Pats) and 3.92(Giants), as well as 8.4mil(Broncos) and 3.92mil(Giants) are not? That makes complete sense!see heres the problem, ur using teams that JUST SIGNED NEW CONTRACTS WITH THEIR FRANCHISE QB...NE, they are just an enigma bc they always seem to be plush. But, Denver, GB, and even NE just finished new contracts so the cap #s will of course look better, as did ours when we first signed Eli to the current contract. Denver is going to be in cap hell in 2 yrs I saw ESPN do a story IIRC...he's right. In todays game, unless you are willing to not be compettive and just have ONLY a franchise QB, teams will have to work with the cap...something JR has done pretty well given...

giantsfan420
05-17-2013, 08:12 PM
That's a matter of opinion, the Giants can not make a deal with Cruz with the amount of cap space we currently have, nor could we pickup a decent FA linebacker which everyone can agree is a glaring need(someone like Dansby comes to mind). Every team has to make concessions here and there and their team's roster as well as cap space are fluid. This conversation however was originally in regards to franchise QBs and the cap space of their respective teams. Trying to predict the future of salary cap room of a respective team is very difficult if not impossible when factoring in injuries, extensions, restructures, etc. As it stands now, those 3 teams I mentioned are in a better situation cap wise than we are right now, and all three of those teams have franchise quarterbacks as well. We will find out which FO made the right concessions once the season is in full swing.

Getting back to the Giants, if Cruz does get signed, and if we plan on keeping Nicks, we are going to be dedicating about 1/3 of our cap space to those 3 players alone, which will put a tremendous amount of pressure on our offense. Maybe we will make up some ground if we get rid of say Rolle and Diehl for example(next year) but even still its not a great situation to be in. Putting that much money in to the offense is going to come back to bite us in the *** when we aren't going to be able to bring back guys like Joesph. We have too many players on the team that are making more than they should(including Eli, though not his fault due to restructuring) and that's not to take anything away from him and others in the same situation, but something has to give eventually.you realize we're invested more in our D than O right (financially)?

giantsfan420
05-17-2013, 08:13 PM
Look at the Ravens they are only paying Flacco 6 million this season lets see how great that FO is in 2 years when they have a 30 million dollar cap hit on Flaccoexactly

B&RWarrior
05-17-2013, 08:30 PM
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the FO let's Cruz, Nicks or JPP walk, they get ripped by the fans. If the FO re-signs all of these guys, they will be ripped ny the same fans for the salary cap issues that will inevitably ensue.

In the end, it seems like a lot of these issues arise when you draft well and have to pony up big money to keep good players. I'm ok with that.

Rolle, Bass, and Canty were questionable investments, IMO. Canty not as bad as the first 2, but all them were free agent pickups.

BigBlueAllDay
05-18-2013, 07:50 PM
Dwight Freeney has signed with the Chargers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/San-Diego-Chargers-Dwight-Freeney-agree-to-2-year-deal-051813

ShakeandBake
05-18-2013, 10:11 PM
you realize we're invested more in our D than O right (financially)?

You do realize that that balance changes from year to year right? Also, if you actually bothered to read my post before responding, you would realize that it was referring to NEXT YEAR when we will have to sign Nicks and Cruz if we plan on keeping both of them which will tip the balance to the offense. Most of the money spent on the defense is tied up in Rolle's, Tuck's, Kiwi's and Webster's contracts, so yeah its not as if these guys are going to be around a lot longer the amount of money they are getting paid.

appodictic
05-18-2013, 10:29 PM
Rolle, Bass, and Canty were questionable investments, IMO. Canty not as bad as the first 2, but all them were free agent pickups. Rolle had to be aquired, you remember the cc brown incident. We lost phillips and we had to throw that year away. We could have been a contender that season bradhshaw was peaking, eli and the wrs were good. We just had 0 ability to stop anyone. Smart if you think about it because phillips got hurt again. Rolle plays well most days, makes more tackles then our linebackers....

giantyankee1976
05-18-2013, 10:31 PM
LOL San Diego Super-who gives a ****

P_Simms_#11
05-18-2013, 11:20 PM
Dwight Freeney has signed with the Chargers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/San-Diego-Chargers-Dwight-Freeney-agree-to-2-year-deal-051813

I guess they aren't broke like the Giants are.

B&RWarrior
05-18-2013, 11:24 PM
Rolle had to be aquired, you remember the cc brown incident. We lost phillips and we had to throw that year away. We could have been a contender that season bradhshaw was peaking, eli and the wrs were good. We just had 0 ability to stop anyone. Smart if you think about it because phillips got hurt again. Rolle plays well most days, makes more tackles then our linebackers....

I like Rolle, but not at that price point.

B&RWarrior
05-18-2013, 11:25 PM
I'm glad we didn't sign Freeney. He's a speed rusher that can't hold up against the run, and he is past his prime.

BigBlueAllDay
05-18-2013, 11:44 PM
Not broke, just limited on cap spenditure. Giants would love to pay more if they can for players like Cruz, but the salary cap is a harsh reality.

gmen0820
05-19-2013, 12:59 AM
Not broke, just limited on cap spenditure. Giants would love to pay more if they can for players like Cruz, but the salary cap is a harsh reality.Well broke is a fitting description, and basically what you just described. Had he said "poor," then I'd strongly disagree.

giantsfan420
05-19-2013, 04:37 AM
if mathis were the FA, and he was iirc but indy chose him over freeney and rightly so imo, itd be a diff subject. mathis has produced consistently to the level osi has at his prime, and mathis can play the run. freeney would be taking a step back overall imo but id love the pressre he brings...but he signed with SD so its moot

jomo
05-19-2013, 08:37 AM
Not broke, just limited on cap spenditure. Giants would love to pay more if they can for players like Cruz, but the salary cap is a harsh reality.Giants aren't nearly as broke as his son's about to be.

nycisgreat
05-19-2013, 02:02 PM
...............and Freeney's dad is a rocket scientist.

lmao.

RoanokeFan
05-19-2013, 02:06 PM
You have to wonder what his father is even being interviewed for?????

bigjeep
05-19-2013, 03:20 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/16/dwight-freeneys-father-hugh-says-son-cant-play-for-new-york-giants-because-theyre-broke/

Excerpt: "Back in mid-February, free agent defensive end Dwight Freeney (http://www.giants101.com/tag/dwight-freeney/) said playing for the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants "would be a dream. (http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/20/dwight-freeney-says-playing-for-new-york-giants-would-be-a-dream/)" And briefly, it appeared as if Big Blue would give him serious consideration when General Manager Jerry Reese (http://www.giants101.com/tag/jerry-reese/) said the team would "investigate" him (http://www.giants101.com/2013/02/23/new-york-giants-jerry-reese-wont-rule-out-use-of-franchise-tag-will-investigate-dwight-freeney/). However, nothing materialized and Freeney remains unsigned.

That may soon be coming to an end, however. The San Diego (http://www.giants101.com/tag/san-diego/) Chargers are reportedly pursuing him aggressively, but Freeney's heart remains set on New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) or so says his Father, Hugh (https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmsports/dwight-freeneys-father-hugh).

So, why won't he be in East Rutherford in 2013? Well, apparently, it's because the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants are completely "broke."


"He'd love to be with the Giants, but the Giants unfortunately don't have the money for him. They're broke," Hugh said told Adam Schein.


On the contrary, the Giants have cleared a significant amount of cap room and prior to the Aaron Curry deal, were an estimated $4,580,958 under the cap (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000154634/article/remaining-salarycap-space-for-each-nfl-team). So the more likely problem was Hugh's admission right out of the gate: "it's about money now." Read more...


I don't care what they say, its always about the money!

Eli TO Shockey
05-19-2013, 05:00 PM
You have to wonder what his father is even being interviewed for?????


I cant stand parents who get involved with their kids careers. Almost like they're living their dream through their children. Barry Sanders dad was the worst. Anyone remember him?

Eli TO Shockey
05-19-2013, 05:01 PM
I don't care what they say, its always about the money!

If the giants wanted a pass rusher who cant stop the run they would of just kept Osi.

Morehead State
05-20-2013, 09:10 AM
I think we have to understand him comments. Its not that we are "broke". Its that we don't have the cap room. Its a big difference but it has the same result.

flashnando
05-20-2013, 09:54 AM
Martha Stewart broke or M.C. Hammer broke?

White Chicks? lol

pacco_diablo
05-20-2013, 01:23 PM
White Chicks? lol

Hahaa! Yes sir. I was starting to think that I was the only lame-o that thought the movie was kind of funny, certain parts at least. Thanks for helping me feel not so alone. lol.