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Kovalchuk71
05-22-2013, 08:07 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2013/05/giants-may-reunite-with-ramses-barden

Toadofsteel
05-22-2013, 08:17 PM
Oh for the love of crap...

GiantFanatic55
05-22-2013, 08:19 PM
Ohm Youngmisuk ‏@NotoriousOHM 3m

Confirming Ramses Barden will be at Giants facility tomorrow for a physical and could potentially re-sign as tweetd by @RVacchianoNYDN

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 08:19 PM
Didn't see that coming lol

cornerback30
05-22-2013, 08:22 PM
got Murphy dude has great speed,Barden had his chance and since no one wanted him out there now he wants to return,train has left the station.

NYGabriel
05-22-2013, 08:22 PM
You can't teach height. The only problem with that is, seemingly, you can't teach Ramses Barden how to get separation or snag a football in the end zone.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 08:23 PM
whew that was close.....thought we lost him for good.....
he is tall you know

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 08:25 PM
I wonder why his previous team let him walk?

Flip Empty
05-22-2013, 08:26 PM
Move on. Christ.

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 08:27 PM
Move on. Christ.

Barden, not Christ

NYGabriel
05-22-2013, 08:33 PM
I wonder why his previous team let him walk?

He's been in the league for 4 seasons and he can't get any separation. He also has no TD's. Is this a trick question?

Toadofsteel
05-22-2013, 08:33 PM
He's been in the league for 4 seasons and he can't get any separation. He also has no TD's. Is this a trick question?

I'm pretty sure that was redfont...

B&RWarrior
05-22-2013, 08:37 PM
I like him as depth. I think Barden has talent.

NWKEffectElement
05-22-2013, 08:38 PM
Championship!!!!!!

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 08:39 PM
Maybe it's a message for Jernigan

GameTime
05-22-2013, 08:41 PM
Maybe it's a message for Jernigan
why??...He's not tall....:)

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 08:42 PM
why??...He's not tall....:)

Errrr

jomo
05-22-2013, 08:43 PM
"Rumored interest by the Panthers never materialized" hmmmmmmmmmmm.

In a pinch Barden can play special teams for us.........................whoops.

Well, in a pinch Barden still is tall.

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 08:44 PM
"Rumored interest by the Panthers never materialized" hmmmmmmmmmmm.

In a pinch Barden can play special teams for us.........................whoops.

Well, in a pinch Barden still is tall.

Tall is the new fail :p

SuperNYGiants
05-22-2013, 08:52 PM
Barden at least has shown some promise vs Carolina last season, I'd rather keep Barden than Jernigan.

Carter.525
05-22-2013, 08:52 PM
The New York Daily News reports the Giants are bringing free agent WR Ramses Barden in for a physical on Thursday.
If all checks out well, Barden could sign a one-year deal to return. The 27-year-old former third-round pick said in February that it was "probably best to move on" from the Giants, but he hasn't generated any interest on the open market. He'll be back at the minimum salary and as the No. 5 receiver.
Related: Giants

Source: New York Daily News May 22 - 8:24 PM

:eek:

Carter.525
05-22-2013, 08:56 PM
Dang, sorry.. Didn't know this had a thread already

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 08:58 PM
Barden at least has shown some promise vs Carolina last season, I'd rather keep Barden than Jernigan.

Yes, which is why we offered him a long term deal.... OH WAIT

SuperNYGiants
05-22-2013, 09:10 PM
Yes, which is why we offered him a long term deal.... OH WAIT
Come back to me when Jernigan gets cut will you.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 09:26 PM
Barden at least has shown some promise vs Carolina last season, I'd rather keep Barden than Jernigan.

Cant be serious.

SuperNYGiants
05-22-2013, 09:30 PM
Cant be serious.
I see how it works, when Barden is on the roster he's the next Randy Moss and Reese is genius, but when he's not on the roster, I get the blame.

You clowns never cease to make me laugh.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 09:35 PM
I see how it works, when Barden is on the roster he's the next Randy Moss and Reese is genius.

Uh what?

GameTime
05-22-2013, 09:36 PM
I see how it works, when Barden is on the roster he's the next Randy Moss and Reese is genius, but when he's not on the roster, I get the blame.

You clowns never cease to make me laugh.
WTF are you talking about. Many have been bashing Barden after year 2 on the Giants roster
I wouldnt blame you or credit you with anything Giants related...
you have proven you really dont know how anything works on this team

B&RWarrior
05-22-2013, 09:46 PM
Cant be serious.

What has JJ done to come close to what Barden did in the Carolina game? Neither have done much, but at least Barden showed something.

SuperNYGiants
05-22-2013, 09:48 PM
Uh what?
You are suggesting that Barden is not worthy, yet Jernigan is, I don't see it AT ALL. What has Jernigan done? NOTHING.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 09:49 PM
You are suggesting that Barden is not worthy, yet Jernigan is, I don't see it AT ALL. What has Jernigan done? NOTHING.
they both havent done much to deserve to be on the roster....

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 09:50 PM
You are suggesting that Barden is not worthy, yet Jernigan is, I don't see it AT ALL. What has Jernigan done? NOTHING.

Jernigan has had a year and a half(yes, i cut the draft class that had no OTAs and a shortened preseason a break), and during that time he was at least a capable kick returner. More than Barden ever did.

Jernigan will get to play out his rookie contract, if he doesnt make an impact by the time its up, then he can walk.

Barden already had that opportunity, and never did anything.


Barden in his first three seasons had a total of 174 receiving yards. Jernigan has only been around for 2 seasons.

B&RWarrior
05-22-2013, 09:53 PM
Jernigan has had a year and a half(yes, i cut the draft class that had no OTAs and a shortened preseason a break), and during that time he was at least a capable kick returner. More than Barden ever did.

Jernigan will get to play out his rookie contract, if he doesnt make an impact by the time its up, then he can walk.

Barden already had that opportunity, and never did anything.

Not true, he was often injured. You make it sound like he was a starter for 3 years.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 09:57 PM
Not true, he was often injured. You make it sound like he was a starter for 3 years.
all themore reason to bail on Barden. He was injure without much playing time. He was a project that didnt pan out for what ever reason. I was a huge supporter of barden the first 3 years. Jernigan has to show something or he should go this pre season too....

SuperNYGiants
05-22-2013, 09:58 PM
Jernigan has had a year and a half(yes, i cut the draft class that had no OTAs and a shortened preseason a break), and during that time he was at least a capable kick returner. More than Barden ever did.

Jernigan will get to play out his rookie contract, if he doesnt make an impact by the time its up, then he can walk.

Barden already had that opportunity, and never did anything.
Well that's just a lie, Barden was the leading receiver in Carolina game, Jernigan caught 3 balls for a whopping 22 yards all of last season.
If you are going to go by "He didn't do ANYTHING", it's Jernigan.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 09:59 PM
Not true, he was often injured. You make it sound like he was a starter for 3 years.

Barden was on the giants for 4 full seasons. He amounted to 394 yards and 0 TDs in that time.

Dont give me excuses for him not doing anything. Cruz came in as a UDFA, and forced the giants to play him, and kept making plays.

This Barden was never given an opportunity thing is such crap.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 10:01 PM
Well that's just a lie, Barden was the leading receiver in Carolina game, Jernigan caught 3 balls for a whopping 22 yards all of last season.
If you are going to go by "He didn't do ANYTHING", it's Jernigan.

So in 4 seasons, Barden had 1 good game against a rookie 5th round CB. And that shows Barden has more upside than Jernigan who has only been in the league for 2 years?

Barden's first two seasons in the league he contributed a total of 80 yards. Jernigan has contributed 274 yards.

Lets wait till the end of this season then compare them through 3 years. Then after 4 years.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 10:01 PM
Well that's just a lie, Barden was the leading receiver in Carolina game, Jernigan caught 3 balls for a whopping 22 yards all of last season.
If you are going to go by "He didn't do ANYTHING", it's Jernigan.
Barden is not and NFL reciever.He had one good game. Jernigan may prove to be the same.....

SuperNYGiants
05-22-2013, 10:03 PM
Let's be real, Jernigan is no better than Barden, it's a 100% financial move by the FO, Barden is not top flight WR but he'll still ask for a bigger salary than Jernigan's base salary.

And to say Jernigan is expected to fill Cruz's shoes when Barden outplayed Jernigan last season, just utter comedy.

gmen0820
05-22-2013, 10:03 PM
Blow-den.

M00KIE
05-22-2013, 10:03 PM
If they feel he's better than our crappiest Wr, then why not sign him? We all know he's no starter but depth is always good even if it's just to have a tall WR to practice against.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 10:04 PM
Let's be real, Jernigan is no better than Barden, it's a 100% financial move by the FO, Barden is not top flight WR but he'll still ask for a bigger salary than Jernigan's base salary.

And to say Jernigan is expected to fill Cruz's shoes when Barden outplayed Jernigan last season, just utter comedy.

Jernigan is still under contract and Barden wasnt.....

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 10:07 PM
Let's be real, Jernigan is no better than Barden, it's a 100% financial move by the FO, Barden is not top flight WR but he'll still ask for a bigger salary than Jernigan's base salary.

This entire post makes no sense.

fansince69
05-22-2013, 10:08 PM
This entire post makes no sense.Not much of anything he says ever does....I stopped replying to him last year

Cool Papa B.
05-22-2013, 10:09 PM
Maybe Reese is more concern about the Cruz/Nicks situation than what he's letting on.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 10:09 PM
This entire post makes no sense.
now you get it .....

:)

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 10:10 PM
Maybe Reese is more concern about the Cruz/Nicks situation than what he's letting on.

or they just need a camp body, and Barden is better than the UDFAs left.

fansince69
05-22-2013, 10:11 PM
or they just need a camp body, and Barden is better than the UDFAs left.That was the thought I had...

Shockeystays08
05-22-2013, 10:13 PM
Maybe it's a message for Jernigan

Jernigan and Barden play different positions and have two separate skill sets, so that's unlikely. If they bring in Barden it will most likely be to fight it out for the 6th WR spot, if we carry 6. Jernigan clearly surpassed Barden on the depth chart by the end of last season.

Cool Papa B.
05-22-2013, 10:14 PM
or they just need a camp body, and Barden is better than the UDFAs left.

You might be right.....

Shockeystays08
05-22-2013, 10:18 PM
So in 4 seasons, Barden had 1 good game against a rookie 5th round CB. And that shows Barden has more upside than Jernigan who has only been in the league for 2 years?

Barden's first two seasons in the league he contributed a total of 80 yards. Jernigan has contributed 274 yards.

Lets wait till the end of this season then compare them through 3 years. Then after 4 years.

I would describe that as an accurate point of view!

Cool Papa B.
05-22-2013, 10:44 PM
or they just need a camp body, and Barden is better than the UDFAs left.

Or maybe Barden is a project Reese just refuses to give up on.

SuperNYGiants
05-22-2013, 10:50 PM
Jernigan is still under contract and Barden wasnt.....
FO took the cheap way out, what else is new.

SuperNYGiants
05-22-2013, 10:51 PM
This entire post makes no sense.
Playing dumb won't win you arguments.

JJC7301
05-22-2013, 10:54 PM
I'll take him back for 1 more year.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 11:38 PM
FO took the cheap way out, what else is new.

Again, what?

How is possibly signing Barden to what is probably a vet min deal "the cheap way out"? The cheap way out of what, exactly?

Rat_bastich
05-23-2013, 01:10 AM
Can anyone confirm the rumor that he is tall? Link or something?

G-Men Surg.
05-23-2013, 01:17 AM
Didn't see that coming lol
Maybe there's more unexpected things to come, the offseason is far from ending .

Captain Chaos
05-23-2013, 02:41 AM
Wow I really missed all the Barden hating on this board, glad he's coming back....

luni
05-23-2013, 07:30 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/22/report-ramses-barden-close-to-reuniting-with-giants/

not sure if already posted but this is a good thing.

Mercury
05-23-2013, 08:48 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/22/report-ramses-barden-close-to-reuniting-with-giants/

not sure if already posted but this is a good thing.

Especially if you are Barden. Otherwise, not so much.

ryan12
05-23-2013, 08:58 AM
whew that was close.....thought we lost him for good.....
he is tall you know

lmfao

ryan12
05-23-2013, 09:00 AM
Barden at least has shown some promise vs Carolina last season, I'd rather keep Barden than Jernigan.

ding ding ding

ryan12
05-23-2013, 09:01 AM
What has JJ done to come close to what Barden did in the Carolina game? Neither have done much, but at least Barden showed something.

nothing cuz jj is horrific

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 09:02 AM
Barden, not Christ
hahaha perfect!

RonJon
05-23-2013, 09:07 AM
I would be glad to see Barden back. He had that great game against Carolina last year but then they never really used him much. I nver felt he got a real oipprtunity becuase Eli relies on Nicks and Cruz so much. Injuries have derailed him too somewhat. Of course he did have that fateful offensive pass interference penalty late in the Pilly game when Giants were driving for the winning FG. That was a killer. But I still feel he can cpntribute of they give him a fair chance

pacco_diablo
05-23-2013, 09:55 AM
I like him as depth. I think Barden has talent.

I'm with you. His inexperience did cost us a game last year but he showed a flash of what he's capable of in the Carolina game. Dude has good hands. The nay-sayers will say how he was covered by a rookie, blah blah blah. Most don't like him and are stuck to their side, and that's fine to have your opinion, but I'd still take him over JJ. That of course is my opinion.

EliDaMANning
05-23-2013, 12:01 PM
One big mistake against the Eagles and our dinosaur coaching staff stops playing him. Barden doesn't need to get too much separation, he has Eli as his QB. He just needs to get some playing time but our dinosaurs with headsets refuse to play healthy WR and put in one legged Nicks

ryan12
05-23-2013, 12:19 PM
he is signed

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:21 PM
I like the Barden signing.
I like him a lot. He's a fine young man. Hope we use him this time around in the red zone.

GameTime
05-23-2013, 12:28 PM
ehh whatever. I am not sold on him at all anymore. I used to be a huge supporter of him. Now....not so much.

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 12:29 PM
I like the Barden signing.
I like him a lot. He's a fine young man. Hope we use him this time around in the red zone.


They tried. He is just terrible at high pointing the ball. The only route he can win on is the slant.

GameTime
05-23-2013, 12:31 PM
They tried. He is just terrible at high pointing the ball. The only route he can win on is the slant.
he has all that height and he may be better in the slot....

ryan12
05-23-2013, 12:34 PM
bye bye jj

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 12:35 PM
he has all that height and he may be better in the slot....Whoa, easy, that slot notion is blasphemous on this board. Trust me, I've tried to assert that opinion.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:40 PM
They tried. He is just terrible at high pointing the ball. The only route he can win on is the slant.
You forgot to mention that he's very good at wrapping up on defenders.

tdawg1413
05-23-2013, 12:42 PM
bye bye jj

This signing has zero to do with Jernigan. Either Barden wins a spot as the 6th WR or he gets cut. I am fairly certain JJ is pretty safe for this year. Now if only KG can learn how to use him.

drewz
05-23-2013, 12:43 PM
This is awesome..

We finally have an big redzone threat that we've been missing all these years since Plaxico has been gone

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 12:45 PM
This is awesome..

We finally have an big redzone threat that we've been missing all these years since Plaxico has been gonelol

nygpolishpunk
05-23-2013, 12:48 PM
Barden, not Christ
Yeah, Barden is taller, a LOT taller

gumby74
05-23-2013, 01:06 PM
i don't think he ever got a fair shot here.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 01:09 PM
i don't think he ever got a fair shot here.Why, because he never earned a role?

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 01:15 PM
Why, because he never earned a role?

Yep. Cruz wasent given a shot outside of camp, he earned it. Don't make excuses for Barden not playing much. Everyone else was better than him

Joe Morrison
05-23-2013, 01:20 PM
No Cruz, No Nicks, Biggest Challenge is JJ, he's a lock!

Rudyy
05-23-2013, 01:47 PM
Yep. Cruz wasent given a shot outside of camp, he earned it. Don't make excuses for Barden not playing much. Everyone else was better than him+1

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 01:57 PM
Yep. Cruz wasent given a shot outside of camp, he earned it. Don't make excuses for Barden not playing much. Everyone else was better than him

But the Carolina game??????????????????????????

gumby74
05-23-2013, 09:10 PM
Why, because he never earned a role?

Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a clearer statement might have been he never got the full opportunity to show what he could do. When he did get them he did well. If he's behind better players in the depth chart then so be it, but that doesn't take away that the guy has shown he can play when given the opportunity.

jomo
05-23-2013, 09:12 PM
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a clearer statement might have been he never got the full opportunity to show what he could do. When he did get them he did well. If he's behind better players in the depth chart then so be it, but that doesn't take away that the guy has shown he can play when given the opportunity..................and so he shopped himself around the entire NFL as a totally free agent and got no offers. Just had to put that out there for perspective. It's not just our coaches and front office who believe he has minimal value.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 09:14 PM
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe a clearer statement might have been he never got the full opportunity to show what he could do. When he did get them he did well. If he's behind better players in the depth chart then so be it, but that doesn't take away that the guy has shown he can play when given the opportunity.29 games, 29 receptions. Rationalize it all you want, it's dog-**** production.

Flip Empty
05-23-2013, 09:25 PM
Ramses Barden: 4 seasons; 29 receptions; 394 yards; 0 TDs
Sinorice Moss: 4 seasons; 39 receptions; 421 yards; 3 TDs

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 09:30 PM
Ramses Barden: 4 seasons; 29 receptions; 394 yards; 0 TDs
Sinorice Moss: 4 seasons; 39 receptions; 421 yards; 3 TDsWell that's not fair, because Sinorice never got the full opportunity to show what he could do. When he did get them he did well. If he's behind better players in the depth chart then so be it, but that doesn't take away that the guy has shown he can play when given the opportunity.

jomo
05-23-2013, 09:31 PM
Well that's not fair, because Sinorice never got the full opportunity to show what he could do. When he did get them he did well. If he's behind better players in the depth chart then so be it, but that doesn't take away that the guy has shown he can play when given the opportunity.And so Sinorice moved on from the Giants to make his mark where?

appodictic
05-23-2013, 09:32 PM
Wouldn't it be great it Barden somehow did something useful. I know Im asking alot.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 09:35 PM
And so Sinorice moved on from the Giants to make his mark where?http://unknowninkdesign.com/UID/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/facepalm-849x10241.png

gumby74
05-23-2013, 09:46 PM
.................and so he shopped himself around the entire NFL as a totally free agent and got no offers. Just had to put that out there for perspective. It's not just our coaches and front office who believe he has minimal value.

I'm not saying that he's a great player or any such thing. I'm just saying that he could have been a better player for us if he got the chance. The one full game he had, didn't he have over 100 yards receiving?

gumby74
05-23-2013, 09:47 PM
29 games, 29 receptions. Rationalize it all you want, it's dog-**** production.
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Absolutely, but when he did get a chance to start a game, he had 100 yards receiving no? again, not saying he was going to be a good player and that we should have given him another shot blah blah. all i'm saying is that if he gets another shot, he may do some good things. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 09:53 PM
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Absolutely, but when he did get a chance to start a game, he had 100 yards receiving no? again, not saying he was going to be a good player and that we should have given him another shot blah blah. all i'm saying is that if he gets another shot, he may do some good things. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I think he's got a shot to contribute.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:26 PM
all i'm saying is that if he gets another shot, he may do some good things. Nothing more. Nothing less.You're saying he never got many opportunities, implying a "fair shot."

Do you also feel that Moss never got his fair shot with us?

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:26 PM
I think he's got a shot to contribute.Walking a verbal tightrope there. Way to go out on a limb.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:29 PM
Walking a verbal tightrope there. Way to go out on a limb.
I think it was aptly succinct.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:33 PM
I think it was aptly succinct.Hardly succinct.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:33 PM
Hardly succinct.
Oh yeah?

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:34 PM
Oh yeah?Unequivocally.

jomo
05-23-2013, 10:36 PM
I'm not saying that he's a great player or any such thing. I'm just saying that he could have been a better player for us if he got the chance. The one full game he had, didn't he have over 100 yards receiving?One good game in 4 years and the coaches didn't allow him to repeat that because they don't like their jobs?

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:36 PM
Unequivocally.
Gutfeld loves Morehead.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:38 PM
Gutfeld loves Morehead.Opposites attract, I suppose. Because we all know Gutfeld isn't tight-lipped.

gumby74
05-23-2013, 10:38 PM
You're saying he never got many opportunities, implying a "fair shot."

Do you also feel that Moss never got his fair shot with us?

Probably not. But then a lot of NFL players don't get "fair shots". But then again, Moss hasn't done anything even when he did get a chance to start.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:39 PM
Probably not. But then a lot of NFL players don't get "fair shots". But then again, Moss hasn't done anything even when he did get a chance to start.When was Moss ever given a shot to start?

jomo
05-23-2013, 10:40 PM
When was Moss ever given a shot to start?He was about 6" short of starting.

gumby74
05-23-2013, 10:40 PM
One good game in 4 years and the coaches didn't allow him to repeat that because they don't like their jobs?

You totally lost me there. I think you're reading too much into what I'm saying.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:40 PM
Opposites attract, I suppose. Because we all know Gutfeld isn't tight-lipped.
Back to the thread. I like Barden a lot. I think he's just had some guys beat him out. I can see him continue to contribute on ST's and if he gets some opportunities on offense, I think he will help the team.

gumby74
05-23-2013, 10:40 PM
When was Moss ever given a shot to start? Didn't he? When someone was injured etc?

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:42 PM
Back to the thread. I like Barden a lot. I think he's just had some guys beat him out. I can see him continue to contribute on ST's and if he gets some opportunities on offense, I think he will help the team.Basically a triple-length version of "I think he's got a shot to contribute."

Which is an inherently redundant post.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:43 PM
Didn't he? When someone was injured etc?He started two games in 2007 and put up 50 yards in each.

jomo
05-23-2013, 10:44 PM
You totally lost me there. I think you're reading too much into what I'm saying.I'm just saying that if he was good and OUR coaches missed it, some other teams' coaches would have picked up on it. But NO ONE saw anything worth offering him a contract. I think that JR brought him back to allow us to have a smooth running camp regardless of what Cruz and Nick may do in terms of a hold out. Barden is worth more to us than any other team because he knows our system, QB and coaches and he can run the plays. To other teams he is just some guy and therefore worthless to them.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:45 PM
Basically a triple-length version of "I think he's got a shot to contribute."

Which is an inherently redundant post.
I'm not getting your point here.
Do I need to take a strong, black and white, in your face position on Ramses Barden?

If so.......I'm sorry I don't have one. Its just another piece of the puzzle for 2013.

gumby74
05-23-2013, 10:47 PM
I'm just saying that if he was good and OUR coaches missed it, some other teams' coaches would have picked up on it. But NO ONE saw anything worth offering him a contract. I think that JR brought him back to allow us to have a smooth running camp regardless of what Cruz and Nick may do in terms of a hold out. Barden is worth more to us than any other team because he knows our system, QB and coaches and he can run the plays. To other teams he is just some guy and therefore worthless to them.

Time out. I never said he was a "good player" as if it was a mistake to let him walk. I said that he was never given a fair shot and that with limited playing time he still did some good things for us. That being said, a lot of NFL players aren't given a fair shot. So this isn't a take pity on Barden post by any means.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:50 PM
I'm not getting your point here.
Do I need to take a strong, black and white, in your face position on Ramses Barden?

If so.......I'm sorry I don't have one. Its just another piece of the puzzle for 2013."I think he's got a shot" -- in other words, he might, but he might not, who knows, too early to tell.

"..to contribute" -- in other words, maybe he'll pick up three yards in garbage time, or maybe he will be a subpar gunner or rusher on punts, or maybe he puts up 1K receiving, who knows, too early to tell.

Doesn't have to be a strong position, but maybe something that can leave a little bit of accountability, or convey something.

gumby74
05-23-2013, 10:50 PM
He started two games in 2007 and put up 50 yards in each.

And if i remember right 2 very unimpressive games. Barden had a good game and showed flashes when he started. After that game, had Barden needed to step in again, I would have had confidence that he'd do an adequate job.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:54 PM
And if i remember right 2 very unimpressive games. Barden had a good game and showed flashes when he started. After that game, had Barden needed to step in again, I would have had confidence that he'd do an adequate job.Barden could've stepped up in Philly before he mauled Asomugha. Barden could've stepped up and shown the coaches something to justify resting Nicks, instead of marching out a 50% player who is blanketed by mediocre strong safeties in man coverage.

And while adequate is a proper word to use in this context, it's highly subjective as to what it means. Moot, however, because Barden never did step in despite our issues at WR last year.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 10:57 PM
And if i remember right 2 very unimpressive games. Barden had a good game and showed flashes when he started. After that game, had Barden needed to step in again, I would have had confidence that he'd do an adequate job.Moss' starts weren't that unimpressive. Many first downs.

Though I admittedly can't remember if he was feasting on late round rookies in single coverage. Slips my mind..

jomo
05-23-2013, 11:06 PM
Time out. I never said he was a "good player" as if it was a mistake to let him walk. I said that he was never given a fair shot and that with limited playing time he still did some good things for us. That being said, a lot of NFL players aren't given a fair shot. So this isn't a take pity on Barden post by any means.Did you just give me a time out? lol

I'm saying that unless you (and I) are smarter than our coaches, he got a fair shot here. They see him every day in practice and in the off season. They watch film of him and pick apart everything he does and doesn't do. Then they decide how much playing time he gets. They decided he didn't get much more than the Carolina game. I am fine with that. Now, if the Giants coaches aren't smart enough to give this young man his opportunity, then the other smart coaches in the NFL should be thrilled that the Gmen served Barden up to them for nothing. And the response from the rest of the NFL coaches and GMs? SILENCE, which affirms the Giants position which is that Barden is a marginal player.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 11:07 PM
Did you just give me a time out? lol

I'm saying that unless you (and I) are smarter than our coaches, he got a fair shot here. They see him every day in practice and in the off season. They watch film of him and pick apart everything he does and doesn't do. Then they decide how much playing time he gets. They decided he didn't get much more than the Carolina game. I am fine with that. Now, if the Giants coaches aren't smart enough to give this young man his opportunity, then the other smart coaches in the NFL should be thrilled that the Gmen served Barden up to them for nothing. And the response from the rest of the NFL coaches and GMs? SILENCE, which affirms the Giants position which is that Barden is a marginal player.Now that is succinct.

Moke
05-23-2013, 11:26 PM
Give Barden (a)nother chance

gumby74
05-23-2013, 11:46 PM
Did you just give me a time out? lol

I'm saying that unless you (and I) are smarter than our coaches, he got a fair shot here. They see him every day in practice and in the off season. They watch film of him and pick apart everything he does and doesn't do. Then they decide how much playing time he gets. They decided he didn't get much more than the Carolina game. I am fine with that. Now, if the Giants coaches aren't smart enough to give this young man his opportunity, then the other smart coaches in the NFL should be thrilled that the Gmen served Barden up to them for nothing. And the response from the rest of the NFL coaches and GMs? SILENCE, which affirms the Giants position which is that Barden is a marginal player.

I give 2 time outs on a good day. Whats one more?

I'm not disagreeing with you that he's a marginal player. As a fan, I'm playing arm chair GM and coach as much as anyone else here. And all I'm saying is that if Barden gets another shot, he can do some good things and surprise some people. He showed flashes when he had the opportunity. If he had to step in and be a stop gap, I have ever confidence that he'd get the job done.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 11:49 PM
I give 2 time outs on a good day. Whats one more?

I'm not disagreeing with you that he's a marginal player. As a fan, I'm playing arm chair GM and coach as much as anyone else here. And all I'm saying is that if Barden gets another shot, he can do some good things and surprise some people. He showed flashes when he had the opportunity. If he had to step in and be a stop gap, I have ever confidence that he'd get the job done.Provided he doesn't have to earn the spot, right?

gumby74
05-23-2013, 11:52 PM
Barden could've stepped up in Philly before he mauled Asomugha. Barden could've stepped up and shown the coaches something to justify resting Nicks, instead of marching out a 50% player who is blanketed by mediocre strong safeties in man coverage.

And while adequate is a proper word to use in this context, it's highly subjective as to what it means. Moot, however, because Barden never did step in despite our issues at WR last year.

He showed enough that if we needed him to be productive for a game, that I would have confidence that he'd get it done. Barden got one shot to step in and that was against Carolina. And he passed.

ShakeandBake
05-23-2013, 11:53 PM
I give 2 time outs on a good day. Whats one more?

I'm not disagreeing with you that he's a marginal player. As a fan, I'm playing arm chair GM and coach as much as anyone else here. And all I'm saying is that if Barden gets another shot, he can do some good things and surprise some people. He showed flashes when he had the opportunity. If he had to step in and be a stop gap, I have ever confidence that he'd get the job done.

When would he see any playing time? We have at least 4 other WRs on the team that are better on the outside than he is. He more than likely won't even make the team.

gumby74
05-23-2013, 11:54 PM
Provided he doesn't have to earn the spot, right? Huh? He has to earn a spot like any other player. How did you come to that conclusion?

gumby74
05-23-2013, 11:56 PM
When would he see any playing time? We have at least 4 other WRs on the team that are better on the outside than he is. He more than likely won't even make the team.

Fine by me. If he makes the team is does. If he doesn't he doesn't. I don't care either way. If he does make it, I have confidence that he'll do well if the chance arises.

gmen0820
05-23-2013, 11:57 PM
Huh? He has to earn a spot like any other player. How did you come to that conclusion?Stepping in and being a stop-gap starter is different than earning the starting role. I'm not talking about his far-from-guaranteed roster spot.

ShakeandBake
05-23-2013, 11:59 PM
Fine by me. If he makes the team is does. If he doesn't he doesn't. I don't care either way. If he does make it, I have confidence that he'll do well if the chance arises.

Yeah maybe, I just don't understand why we would bring him in because I think we are very strong at that position. Oh well.

gumby74
05-24-2013, 12:01 AM
Yeah maybe, I just don't understand why we would bring him in because I think we are very strong at that position. Oh well. Worst thing that happens is he doesn't make the cut. No risk there.

giantsfan420
05-24-2013, 01:47 AM
Barden could've stepped up in Philly before he mauled Asomugha. Barden could've stepped up and shown the coaches something to justify resting Nicks, instead of marching out a 50% player who is blanketed by mediocre strong safeties in man coverage.

And while adequate is a proper word to use in this context, it's highly subjective as to what it means. Moot, however, because Barden never did step in despite our issues at WR last year.he did step up vs philly imo. he made a couple key grabs, esp 1 on a go route iirc occurred on the final drive. and that PI, that coulda been viewed as heads up bc if he does nothing, its prob an INT. had feeley, i mean tynes, had any sort of leg and made the kick (which he had 2 tries on), Barden woulda been the hero for many. he actually had a few other under the radar key grabs too.

giantsfan420
05-24-2013, 01:52 AM
Did you just give me a time out? lol

I'm saying that unless you (and I) are smarter than our coaches, he got a fair shot here. They see him every day in practice and in the off season. They watch film of him and pick apart everything he does and doesn't do. Then they decide how much playing time he gets. They decided he didn't get much more than the Carolina game. I am fine with that. Now, if the Giants coaches aren't smart enough to give this young man his opportunity, then the other smart coaches in the NFL should be thrilled that the Gmen served Barden up to them for nothing. And the response from the rest of the NFL coaches and GMs? SILENCE, which affirms the Giants position which is that Barden is a marginal player.that is completely illogical and inaccurate. by ur reasoning, Cruz was affirmed to suck too by being an UDFA, same with hyno, same with james harrison who was an UDFA, the list is endless of players who teams passed on that turned out to be talented.
whats the central, most important aspect to this is not what other teams did or did not do, its what the NYG did. and, they arent UNICEF. they re-signed hm bc theres obviously aspects the NYG like about this kid. They'd know more about Barden than any other of the teams, and they decided he was well wrth the current value. Im not gonna disagree when theres no reason too.

fansince69
05-24-2013, 05:59 AM
that is completely illogical and inaccurate. by ur reasoning, Cruz was affirmed to suck too by being an UDFA, same with hyno, same with james harrison who was an UDFA, the list is endless of players who teams passed on that turned out to be talented.
whats the central, most important aspect to this is not what other teams did or did not do, its what the NYG did. and, they arent UNICEF. they re-signed hm bc theres obviously aspects the NYG like about this kid. They'd know more about Barden than any other of the teams, and they decided he was well wrth the current value. Im not gonna disagree when theres no reason too.There is some logic to what your saying but....the examples you give are guys that were undiscovered coming out of college.....Barden had had 4 yrs in the NFL to show what he has....and still NO ONE wanted him.....honestly I think we signed him back because....we are short on guys in camp....he knows the system...he is cheap....he may be better than whatever udfa agent that was out there or on our roster

giantsfan420
05-24-2013, 07:11 AM
There is some logic to what your saying but....the examples you give are guys that were undiscovered coming out of college.....Barden had had 4 yrs in the NFL to show what he has....and still NO ONE wanted him.....honestly I think we signed him back because....we are short on guys in camp....he knows the system...he is cheap....he may be better than whatever udfa agent that was out there or on our rosterjames harrison was cut by pitt like 4 diff times and he was available to every team. he must def. suck too?

fansince69
05-24-2013, 07:13 AM
james harrison was cut by pitt like 4 diff times and he was available to every team. he must def. suck too?I am assuming that was before he had been in the league for 4 yrs?

ALLnygIN
05-24-2013, 07:20 AM
what for? cut ties already.

jomo
05-24-2013, 07:43 AM
that is completely illogical and inaccurate. by ur reasoning, Cruz was affirmed to suck too by being an UDFA, same with hyno, same with james harrison who was an UDFA, the list is endless of players who teams passed on that turned out to be talented.
whats the central, most important aspect to this is not what other teams did or did not do, its what the NYG did. and, they arent UNICEF. they re-signed hm bc theres obviously aspects the NYG like about this kid. They'd know more about Barden than any other of the teams, and they decided he was well wrth the current value. Im not gonna disagree when theres no reason too.How do you make the leap from this entire discussion of Barden to Cruz? Cruz was an UDFA coming out of college and showed flash immediately. Every team would sign Cruz for big money if he were a free agent now. No team was willing to pay Barden anything as a free agent. Barden was drafted and had 4 years to show something that would interest anyone in the league and didn't. He was re-signed by us simply as cheap insurance until we resolve Cruz and Nicks. Until then we have a guy who knows the system and is familiar to Eli and therefore will allow us to run our plays in camp efficiently.

P.S. He was also demoted from special teams last year due to his lack of production. This common theme "lack of production" has a common denominator and his initials are RB.