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Roosevelt
05-22-2013, 09:19 PM
What the **** is this ****?

If Eli Manning is at the OTA's you need to be at the OTA's.

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 09:22 PM
I don't tink it's anything. He has been participating and would not have been all that involved anyway

giantyankee1976
05-22-2013, 09:22 PM
so far I'm not liking any of the pre-season drama at all...from anyone.

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 09:23 PM
What drama?

GameTime
05-22-2013, 09:24 PM
ehh....he'll be here...

NWKEffectElement
05-22-2013, 09:27 PM
I was about to ask the same question. Great way to show that you want that contract.

Flip Empty
05-22-2013, 09:27 PM
He may not feel 100%. The last thing he'd want is a repeat of 2012.

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 09:28 PM
I was about to ask the same question. Great way to show that you want that contract.

Seriously? Maybe we should wait to see if he shows up tomorrow?

Drez
05-22-2013, 09:29 PM
Get your panties out of a bunch, lol. Nicks would have been limited anyway. They've been playing with each other long enough now where the chemistry will come quick when camp starts.

Rudyy
05-22-2013, 09:29 PM
Everyone calm down..

NWKEffectElement
05-22-2013, 09:33 PM
Seriously? Maybe we should wait to see if he shows up tomorrow?

True indeed, but after an injury plagued season not at least showing up for treatment is just not responsible.

B&RWarrior
05-22-2013, 09:34 PM
much to do about nothing

Eli TO Shockey
05-22-2013, 09:34 PM
Nicks needs to be there. Practice or not. no excuses

SimmsandLT
05-22-2013, 09:34 PM
so far I'm not liking any of the pre-season drama at all...from anyone.

What drama exactly has happened with the team? Unless you mean this message board? :)

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 09:38 PM
True indeed, but after an injury plagued season not at least showing up for treatment is just not responsible.

He knew he wouldn't be doing too much anyway. All of the guys coming back from injury were on the sidelines.

RoanokeFan
05-22-2013, 09:38 PM
What drama exactly has happened with the team? Unless you mean this message board? :)

Now here we have D R A M A

nhpgiantsfan
05-22-2013, 10:03 PM
He knew he wouldn't be doing too much anyway. All of the guys coming back from injury were on the sidelines.

So then let him be on the sidelines. I saw an article earlier about how he is ready to be a leader. Well he isn't off to a great start. It doesn't matter if he was gonna get many reps or not. If your team is suiting up for a workout, you need to be there showing your dedication, even if you are limited due to injury.

I'm a big time Nicks homer, but I can't defend him here.

Roosevelt
05-22-2013, 10:09 PM
TC and EM were expecting you. You have to be there.

Bad move Hakeem. Didn't expect you to be that guy. I'm all over your *** now.

BigBlue1971
05-22-2013, 10:10 PM
i would like Nicks to be here for this 1st ota but he gets a pass for being a good player!

i'll really be concerned if hes not here for the next one.

B&RWarrior
05-22-2013, 10:43 PM
Now here we have D R A M A

Triple the size of that font and then you would be spot on.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 10:44 PM
Ugghhhh!!!
In Reese We Trust (https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855?ref=stream&hc_location=stream)
Yahoo! Sports' Jason Cole reports Hakeem Nicks is unhappy with his contract, which is why he didn't show up to OTAs on Wednesday. The Giants now have a double dose of financially unhappy receivers in Nicks and restricted free agent Victor Cruz. Coach Tom Coughlin was noticeably irritated that Nicks was a no-show for "voluntary" OTAs, saying that the receiver "should be here." With Cruz seeking $8-10 million annually on a long-term deal, Cole expects Nicks to seek "closer to the range" of $10 million per year and possibly more. Nicks is expected to show up to the facility sometime this week, and we really wouldn't expect a long-term contract worked out before training camp.

NYGAiG88
05-22-2013, 10:44 PM
Did you see the idiot on Yahoo already speculating that Nicks skipped workouts because he's unhappy with his contract..lol Can't wait for some Giants fans to see this..lol

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 10:44 PM
giants clearly need to sign Tebow to straighten out all this drama.

Eli TO Shockey
05-22-2013, 10:45 PM
thats why we signed ramses. What a nightmare situation we have on our hands at WR

Flip Empty
05-22-2013, 10:46 PM
Well, this situation is less than optimum.

The #1 and #2 receivers are both unhappy.

Carter.525
05-22-2013, 10:47 PM
This is bad..

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 10:47 PM
Jason Cole has no clue about anything.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 10:47 PM
This is why we have to hold strong with Cruz. Its a double hit if we sign Cruz to the kind of money some are talking about.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 10:48 PM
Jason Cole has no clue about anything.
I saw it on IRWT.
If its BS then I apologize.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 10:48 PM
Doesnt even bother me anyway, I would prefer Randle, Jernigan, and Murphy get a ton of snaps now.

Drez
05-22-2013, 10:49 PM
Meaningless.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 10:49 PM
Hope Randle and JJ have a great summer then get a chance to shine. Nicks and Cruz can walk.

gumby74
05-22-2013, 10:49 PM
Meaningless.

How so? Where there's smoke there's usually fire.

NYGAiG88
05-22-2013, 10:50 PM
giants clearly need to sign Tebow to straighten out all this drama.

It will solve all of our problems at QB, TE, and possibly FB..he can do it all!! Because he has GOD behind him! lol

gumby74
05-22-2013, 10:50 PM
Hope Randle and JJ have a great summer then get a chance to shine. Nicks and Cruz can walk.

+1.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 10:50 PM
Doesnt even bother me anyway, I would prefer Randle, Jernigan, and Murphy get a ton of snaps now.This.

Cool Papa B.
05-22-2013, 10:50 PM
A part of me was fearing this might happen.

I don't know how Reese & Mara are going to handle this. It has the potential of being a distraction and frankly Cruz is not the same WR without Nicks. And they can't pay both. At least not this year.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 10:51 PM
How so? Where there's smoke there's usually fire.Agreed. He sees what's going on with Cruz and he wants to get paid. He isn't getting a dime more than what he is due this year so maybe it is meaningless. They simply don't have it.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 10:52 PM
A part of me was fearing this might happen.

I don't know how Reese & Mara are going to handle this. It has the potential of being a distraction and frankly Cruz is not the same WR without Nicks. And they can't pay both. At least not this year.
Pay Nicks and tender Cruz. Then we have options next season with Cruz and Randle.
Nicks is a top 5 WR in the NFL.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 10:54 PM
A part of me was fearing this might happen.

I don't know how Reese & Mara are going to handle this. It has the potential of being a distraction and frankly Cruz is not the same WR without Nicks. And they can't pay both. At least not this year.

Nicks has to play, fines will get out of hand quickly.

Cruz isnt under contract, so he could hold out without fines.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 10:54 PM
ehhh....**** it. Its the FO's problem. As a fan I can only sit here and root for the guys they put on the field....

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 10:55 PM
Pay Nicks and tender Cruz. Then we have options next season with Cruz and Randle.Nicks is a top 5 WR in the NFL.Don't give him a dime. He is under contract. Let him walk next year if he wants.

GoDeep80
05-22-2013, 10:56 PM
...You know what. ****'em both...Just ****'em

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 10:58 PM
Nicks has to play, fines will get out of hand quickly.

Cruz isnt under contract, so he could hold out without fines.
No fines but no pay either.

DVision
05-22-2013, 10:58 PM
Did Nick's agent reach out to Jason Cole? How'd he get the scoop before anyone else? By the way, who is Jason Cole?

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 10:58 PM
ehhh....**** it. Its the FO's problem. As a fan I can only sit here and root for the guys they put on the field....
He's a great football player and he needs to be signed.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 10:59 PM
No fines but no pay either.?

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:00 PM
?
?? to your ?

M00KIE
05-22-2013, 11:01 PM
Doesnt even bother me anyway, I would prefer Randle, Jernigan, and Murphy get a ton of snaps now.

Me too. Nicks isn't likely to play injury free. More reps for these guys now, the better.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:01 PM
?? to your ?Seriously. What did you mean?

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:01 PM
He's a great football player and he needs to be signed.He is a very good player and is under contract.

Piddy283
05-22-2013, 11:02 PM
Nicks is too often banged up for a 10+ million dollar contract. Cruz will either get a new contract or he'll sign his tender. Let nicks play out his current contract. He'll either get hurt diminishing his hopes for a huge deal or we continue to groom Randle as his replacement. Reese is always looking 2-3 years down the road when drafting. Randle wasn't drafted to be our #3 WR in my opinion.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 11:02 PM
He's a great football player and he needs to be signed.
I dont disagree but there is nothing you or I can do about it except to piss and moan. I prefer to say **** it....

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 11:02 PM
Seriously. What did you mean?

Cruz wont get any money if he holds out.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:04 PM
Cruz wont get any money if he holds out.Yeah but why say no fines but no pay either?

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:05 PM
He is a very good player and is under contract.
I agree. And I think redoing his deal before this season may be premature. But he needs to be assured that they will try to sign him during the 2013 season.

But my real point here is Cruz. If you pay Cruz $40MM, you will have a near impossible time signing Nicks. And Nicks is the #1 guy.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 11:06 PM
Yeah but why say no fines but no pay either?

Eh?

If Cruz holds out he cant be fined, but he also wont be paid.

If Nicks holds out he can be fined.

nycsportzfan
05-22-2013, 11:06 PM
Good timing, nicks!!!lol These dudes are incredible..lol

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:07 PM
Yeah but why say no fines but no pay either?
What I mean is that he won't incur fines but since he is without a contract, he won't be collecting any pay either.

Why am I having to explain what seems obvious to me all night tonight?

fansince69
05-22-2013, 11:07 PM
Eh?

If Cruz holds out he cant be fined, but he also wont be paid.

If Nicks holds out he can be fined.exactly

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:07 PM
I agree. And I think redoing his deal before this season may be premature. But he needs to be assured that they will try to sign him during the 2013 season.But my real point here is Cruz. If you pay Cruz $40MM, you will have a near impossible time signing Nicks. And Nicks is the #1 guy.We don't know how much they are offering Cruz just yet. If they pay him that money Nicks might as well get ready to pack his bags.

GameTime
05-22-2013, 11:07 PM
when they mentioned his broken pinky toe bone this afternoon I knew there was more to the story...
WTF Nicks....he knows the situation the Giants are in.....
I am not sold on this story yet.....

njg85m
05-22-2013, 11:08 PM
Pretty miserable timing with Nicks. Definitely not happy about this.

As far as Cruz goes.... All it's going to take are solid reports of someone stepping up and even mildly impressing in the slot for him to realize that $8 mil isn't a bad deal.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:08 PM
Eh?

If Cruz holds out he cant be fined, but he also wont be paid.

If Nicks holds out he can be fined.
Well the reality is that these are voluntary work outs. He can't be fined for not showing up. Its probably a little tantrum over the preoccupation with Cruz.

GiantFanatic55
05-22-2013, 11:10 PM
Jason Cole has no clue about anything.

This

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:12 PM
This
I would not be surprised if its true.
Not showing up for OTA's is a way to not have to work, AND show a little displeasure with the team and your contract.
If he holds out of mandatory mini-camps then we have a problem. But I strongly doubt he'll do that.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:13 PM
What I mean is that he won't incur fines but since he is without a contract, he won't be collecting any pay either.Why am I having to explain what seems obvious to me all night tonight?Well there where two guys mentioned in the previous statement.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:13 PM
Well there where two guys mentioned in the previous statement.
I'm sorry...I meant Cruz would not get paid if he held out.

fansince69
05-22-2013, 11:14 PM
What I mean is that he won't incur fines but since he is without a contract, he won't be collecting any pay either.

Why am I having to explain what seems obvious to me all night tonight?maybe it is the full moon

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:17 PM
Hope Randle has a great year and they let him walk. Then Reese drafts another WR for when Randle starts complaining.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:19 PM
Hope Randle has a great year and they let him walk. Then Reese drafts another WR for when Randle starts complaining.
Cruz walking after next year?....OK.
Nicks walking after next year?......NO FRIGGIN WAY!!!

Harooni
05-22-2013, 11:26 PM
oh boy, bad time to have cap problems, sort of biting us now for the next few years.

egyptian420
05-22-2013, 11:27 PM
Meh... This is a non issue, week 1 against the Cowboys I can almost assure your with absolute certainty that Nicks and Cruz will be out there barring injury. You could quote me on that.

B&RWarrior
05-22-2013, 11:31 PM
Meh... This is a non issue, week 1 against the Cowboys I can almost assure your with absolute certainty that Nicks and Cruz will be out there barring injury. You could quote me on that.

THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

giantsfan420
05-22-2013, 11:35 PM
this could be a pre-emptive ploy by nicks agent team to ensure the giants have enough money for his contract and its not all spent on cruz. nicks is clearly putting the team in an either him or me situation (if he actually is malcontent and refuses to show up bc of contract)

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:38 PM
this could be a pre-emptive ploy by nicks agent team to ensure the giants have enough money for his contract and its not all spent on cruz. nicks is clearly putting the team in an either him or me situation (if he actually is malcontent and refuses to show up bc of contract)
This actually makes perfect sense.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:43 PM
Cruz walking after next year?....OK.Nicks walking after next year?......NO FRIGGIN WAY!!!Why not? Every year a new WR has a break out season. There are only a handful of consistent WR's.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 11:44 PM
this could be a pre-emptive ploy by nicks agent team to ensure the giants have enough money for his contract and its not all spent on cruz. nicks is clearly putting the team in an either him or me situation (if he actually is malcontent and refuses to show up bc of contract)

Giants have the cap space to spend on both nicks and Cruz. They would be in good shape if they could get both locked up for the future for under 15 mil a season

B&RWarrior
05-22-2013, 11:46 PM
this could be a pre-emptive ploy by nicks agent team to ensure the giants have enough money for his contract and its not all spent on cruz. nicks is clearly putting the team in an either him or me situation (if he actually is malcontent and refuses to show up bc of contract)

I like it from the business perspective.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:46 PM
Giants have the cap space to spend on both nicks and Cruz. They would be in good shape if they could get both locked up for the future for under 15 mil a seasonYeah but they also have to sign JPP and Joseph. Not to long after that it will be Prince. Eh, Reese will get it done. His job is tough though.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:46 PM
Giants have the cap space to spend on both nicks and Cruz. They would be in good shape if they could get both locked up for the future for under 15 mil a season
How are they going to do that?

fansince69
05-22-2013, 11:47 PM
Giants have the cap space to spend on both nicks and Cruz. They would be in good shape if they could get both locked up for the future for under 15 mil a seasonThat doesn't seem likely considering the numbers that everyone seems to be suggesting are 7-8 mil/yr for cruz....I don't see Nicks taking less

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:47 PM
How are they going to do that?Next year they may have in he neighborhood of $60 million.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:48 PM
Why not? Every year a new WR has a break out season. There are only a handful of consistent WR's.
Because Nicks is special. He's a great player. I like Cruz but he's not Nicks. Nicks can beat press coverage. Nicks is a great playmaker with great hands.
In my opinion, he's a top 5 WR in the NFL.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:49 PM
Next year they may have in he neighborhood of $60 million.
Where did you hear that?

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:50 PM
Because Nicks is special. He's a great player. I like Cruz but he's not Nicks. Nicks can beat press coverage. Nicks is a great playmaker with great hands.In my opinion, he's a top 5 WR in the NFL.Eh, he is a very good player. Dominant at times, but not sure he is top 5.

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:50 PM
Where did you hear that?Believe slip posted it.

Morehead State
05-22-2013, 11:54 PM
Believe slip posted it.
I'm sorry....You are quoting Slippy as a solid source?

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 11:54 PM
Yeah but they also have to sign JPP and Joseph. Not to long after that it will be Prince. Eh, Reese will get it done. His job is tough though.

They have the room for all of them at this point. They don't really have any large contracts moving forward

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:56 PM
They have the room for all of them at this point. They don't really have any large contracts moving forwardOk, but would it be smart to lock up so much in those two? Also, if Cruz got something like $7 million a year wouldn't Nicks probably ask for closer to $10 million?

Buddy333
05-22-2013, 11:57 PM
I'm sorry....You are quoting Slippy as a solid source?You have to let him chime in on this. He posted it a while back and it looked to be possible.

slipknottin
05-22-2013, 11:59 PM
I'm sorry....You are quoting Slippy as a solid source?

You can use overthecap.com.

Giants right now with current contracts will have about 25 or so million in space next season. Cutting Rolle or Snee would add 7 mil a piece to the space. And at some point they will have to change Eli's contract. Doubt they let that run down to a year or less remaining. We don't know what the cap will be in 2014 yet, but it should go up a bit from current. Which may add another whatever couple of mil.

2015 the giants only currently would have 22 players under contract, for a total of ~60 million. Assuming the cap keeps growing, giants would have roughly 70 million in room. Have to add in rookie classes (assume ~6 mil a year per rookie class) which adds ~14 players for 12 mil. So that gives the giants 36 players under contract in 2015 with 60+ mil in cap space

SimmsandLT
05-23-2013, 12:02 AM
I'm sorry....You are quoting Slippy as a solid source?

Is Jason Cole a credible source? The article has nothing but speculation on his part. No quotes from anyone on the Giants or Nicks representation mentioning his contract.

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 12:04 AM
Eh, he is a very good player. Dominant at times, but not sure he is top 5.
He sure is in the playoffs.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:07 AM
You can use overthecap.com.

Giants right now with current contracts will have about 25 or so million in space next season. Cutting Rolle or Snee would add 7 mil a piece to the space. And at some point they will have to change Eli's contract. Doubt they let that run down to a year or less remaining. We don't know what the cap will be in 2014 yet, but it should go up a bit from current. Which may add another whatever couple of mil.

2015 the giants only currently would have 22 players under contract, for a total of ~60 million. Assuming the cap keeps growing, giants would have roughly 70 million in room. Have to add in rookie classes (assume ~6 mil a year per rookie class) which adds ~14 players for 12 mil. So that gives the giants 36 players under contract in 2015 with 60+ mil in cap space

I have a feeling that we can't win with 36 players on the roster. Color me reactionary....but I still don't see it......

Sundown
05-23-2013, 12:08 AM
Lock up Nicks and let Cruz go, team above all else.

giantsfan420
05-23-2013, 12:10 AM
Because Nicks is special. He's a great player. I like Cruz but he's not Nicks. Nicks can beat press coverage. Nicks is a great playmaker with great hands.
In my opinion, he's a top 5 WR in the NFL.i agree but its such a tough decision. its not cut n dry.


i really hope that the statements made by some of our resident members about the cap being significantly more operable after 2013. id love to just keep both. doubt we could for 15 mil slip...more like 18 imo.

Buddy333
05-23-2013, 12:11 AM
He sure is in the playoffs.Think he is a very good player and has the ability to take over a game. Not so easily replaced, but trust the ability of the FO to replace him.

giantsfan420
05-23-2013, 12:11 AM
He sure is in the playoffs.he's top 1 in that regard as far as im concerned.

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 12:14 AM
I have a feeling that we can't win with 36 players on the roster. Color me reactionary....but I still don't see it......

Then do the math. Top 51 contracts count towards the cap.

36 players for 70 million means

60 million left for the remaining 15.

60/15 = 4 mil per person.

Now figure at least 5 or so other guys will be vet minimum, UDFA, etc.

That leaves really 60 mil to be spent on ~10 players.

Which means Cruz for 7 mil is right in line with it.
Nicks for 7 or 8 is just a bit over, but certainly manageable

JPP is the concern, he will probably get over 10 a year.

But they can afford good sized contracts for Cruz, nicks, Joseph, Prince, and JPP without having cap problems.

If they chose to spend even more on other guys then players like Baas can be released in 2015 and save ~5 mil on the cap.


And if they can convince Eli to take a Tom Brady deal, they save even more room

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:19 AM
Then do the math. Top 51 contracts count towards the cap.

36 players for 70 million means

60 million left for the remaining 15.

60/15 = 4 mil per person.

Now figure at least 5 or so other guys will be vet minimum, UDFA, etc.

That leaves really 60 mil to be spent on ~10 players.

Which means Cruz for 7 mil is right in line with it.
Nicks for 7 or 8 is just a bit over, but certainly manageable

JPP is the concern, he will probably get over 10 a year.

But they can afford good sized contracts for Cruz, nicks, Joseph, Prince, and JPP without having cap problems.

If they chose to spend even more on other guys then players like Baas can be released in 2015 and save ~5 mil on the cap.


And if they can convince Eli to take a Tom Brady deal, they save even more room
Yeah but all those expiring contracts have to be replaced. Many of the players will resign with the team.
Our starting TE, LG etc. are all on one year deals. (in Meyer's case a voidable deal)
All that will be backfilled. You have to field a team.

ELI_HOF_NYG
05-23-2013, 12:20 AM
Lock up Nicks and let Cruz go, team above all else.

nicks? you mean the guy who has been hurt more than not during his giants career? this past season his injuries hurt our offense. makes perfect sense.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:22 AM
nicks? you mean the guy who has been hurt more than not during his giants career? this past season his injuries hurt our offense. makes perfect sense.
Yes that guy.

BTW....he's great!

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 12:23 AM
Yeah but all those expiring contracts have to be replaced. Many of the players will resign with the team.
Our starting TE, LG etc. are all on one year deals. (in Meyer's case a voidable deal)
All that will be backfilled. You have to field a team.

Right. 14 draft picks, a handful of UDFAs, some vet min deals.

That gives them 10 or so spots to spend an average of 4 mil on to replace other positions.

Say they need a LG, spend 3 mil at that position and have an extra mil left to spend on Jpp.

giantsfan420
05-23-2013, 12:28 AM
Then do the math. Top 51 contracts count towards the cap.

36 players for 70 million means

60 million left for the remaining 15.

60/15 = 4 mil per person.

Now figure at least 5 or so other guys will be vet minimum, UDFA, etc.

That leaves really 60 mil to be spent on ~10 players.

Which means Cruz for 7 mil is right in line with it.
Nicks for 7 or 8 is just a bit over, but certainly manageable

JPP is the concern, he will probably get over 10 a year.

But they can afford good sized contracts for Cruz, nicks, Joseph, Prince, and JPP without having cap problems.

If they chose to spend even more on other guys then players like Baas can be released in 2015 and save ~5 mil on the cap.


And if they can convince Eli to take a Tom Brady deal, they save even more roompls be right lol

Buddy333
05-23-2013, 12:31 AM
Right. 14 draft picks, a handful of UDFAs, some vet min deals. That gives them 10 or so spots to spend an average of 4 mil on to replace other positions. Say they need a LG, spend 3 mil at that position and have an extra mil left to spend on Jpp.Sounds good.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:45 AM
Right. 14 draft picks, a handful of UDFAs, some vet min deals.

That gives them 10 or so spots to spend an average of 4 mil on to replace other positions.

Say they need a LG, spend 3 mil at that position and have an extra mil left to spend on Jpp.
I promise you that we will be up against the cap next year as well. And we have to be careful with the Cruz/Nicks thing.
I still think Cruz needs to settle for less than an average of $7MM/year.

JJC7301
05-23-2013, 12:53 AM
I don't think that we can afford to keep both and I would trade one of them now instead of dealing with 2 unhappy WR's. Although Nicks is the slightly better WR, I'd rather keep Cruz because he appears to be less injury prone.

appodictic
05-23-2013, 12:56 AM
Too bad we let unicorn Bradshaw Jacobs manning ham go when they want almost nothing. And our coddled wrs don't want to play no matter how much money we throw at them.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:56 AM
I don't think that we can afford to keep both and I would trade one of them now instead of dealing with 2 unhappy WR's. Although Nicks is the slightly better WR, I'd rather keep Cruz because he appears to be less injury prone.
Its going to be tough since Randle may be on the horizon as well. Just think we have to be careful with Cruz, otherwise the dominos might fall to hard to sign Nicks and then down the road...Randle.

JJC7301
05-23-2013, 01:03 AM
Its going to be tough since Randle may be on the horizon as well. Just think we have to be careful with Cruz, otherwise the dominos might fall to hard to sign Nicks and then down the road...Randle.
Just keep one of them -- Cruz or Nicks -- and then keep work on developing WR's, but have that one # 1 WR as your anchor.

MM didn't get much from SF, did he? We should have signed him to have him around for when either Cruz or Nicks is gone. You just can't keep two # 1 WR's and an elite QB and expect to be able to pay the rest of your team.

And if RR shows continued development this year, then I would offer him an extension before he enters his 3rd year hoping that we can get him for a bit of a deal.

MattyD21
05-23-2013, 01:08 AM
If we Tag Nicks next season he will be gone in the blink of an eye. anyways how much water does this story hold? coulda sworn i read he was under the weather today and the report was coming from a direct statement hence why couglin complained due to him being at the charity event the night before

gmen46
05-23-2013, 01:29 AM
Hope Randle and JJ have a great summer then get a chance to shine. Nicks and Cruz can walk.

If you think Randle (who I liked what I saw of him in 2012) and Jernigan will replace even one half of what Nicks and Cruz contribute to our offense, then.....

You know nothing, Jon Snow.

tcseacliff
05-23-2013, 01:40 AM
this is getting messy!

New York Giants Wide Receiver Hakeem Nicks a No-Show at Practice Today 1 hour ago by thegiantexile (http://www.giantexile.com/members/thegiantexile)
Oh boy, a little surprise here today at the Giant Exile HQ…. Looks like we are in for a little bit of a contract dispute with Giant wide receiver Hakeem Nicks. We knew this was coming with Victor Cruz, but Nicks? Not so much.
Apparently, Coach Coughlin was not very pleased by Nicks’ decision to not show up, saying: “He should be here.” Cue the scary Tomorrow Coughlin music folks….
Since today’s workouts were not mandatory, there’s nothing that the Giants can do about Nicks’ decision, but looks like we’re in for stormy (http://www.giantexile.com/new-york-giants-wide-receiver-hakeem-nicks-a-no-show-at-practice-today/#) weather.
Now, we think that Nicks is probably just trying to send a signal that he wants some more cash but in any case, Eli’s throwing to Moe, Larry and Curly as he waits for his two star receivers to come on home.
By the way, shout out to our chapter leaders who tipped us off on this story. This coming year, we’re going to be organizing chapters of the The Giant Exile all over the country, so you will be able to meet up and hang out with Giants fans wherever you live in the world! Join a chapter here. (http://pln28762yu2)
Anyone else getting psyched for football pre season?!?!
http://www.giantexile.com/assets/20130522-203340.jpg (http://www.giantexile.com/assets/20130522-203340.jpg)

Sovereign
05-23-2013, 02:30 AM
What's this report based on? He provide sno sources on Nicks behalf. It's speculation. Might be true and it WILL be true next year but right now it means jack.

Flip Empty
05-23-2013, 05:59 AM
What's this report based on? He provide sno sources on Nicks behalf. It's speculation. Might be true and it WILL be true next year but right now it means jack.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--wr-hakeem-nicks-skips-giants--workout--irritates-coach-tom-coughlin--234525717.html

That was the unstated goal of Nicks' not attending the Giants' organized team activity practice, a team source indicated Wednesday. However, Nicks' agent Peter Schaffer strongly denied that the wide receiver missed the practice because of contractual reasons. Schaffer said only he and Nicks were fully aware of the reason for the player's absence and was unwilling to further discuss.

UKAnt14
05-23-2013, 07:09 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--wr-hakeem-nicks-skips-giants--workout--irritates-coach-tom-coughlin--234525717.htmlThe 'team source' is most probably TC, who told the media that he wasn't present for physical reasons. Could be anything.

TCHOF
05-23-2013, 07:33 AM
Jason Cole has no clue about anything.

Most of his stuff seems made up

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 07:43 AM
This is why we have to hold strong with Cruz. Its a double hit if we sign Cruz to the kind of money some are talking about.

They will hold around $8M for Cruz

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 07:45 AM
I promise you that we will be up against the cap next year as well. And we have to be careful with the Cruz/Nicks thing.
I still think Cruz needs to settle for less than an average of $7MM/year.

We are supposed to be up against the CAP if we want to keep quality players.

njersey
05-23-2013, 07:50 AM
Ugghhhh!!!
In Reese We Trust (https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855?ref=stream&hc_location=stream)
Yahoo! Sports' Jason Cole reports Hakeem Nicks is unhappy with his contract, which is why he didn't show up to OTAs on Wednesday. The Giants now have a double dose of financially unhappy receivers in Nicks and restricted free agent Victor Cruz. Coach Tom Coughlin was noticeably irritated that Nicks was a no-show for "voluntary" OTAs, saying that the receiver "should be here." With Cruz seeking $8-10 million annually on a long-term deal, Cole expects Nicks to seek "closer to the range" of $10 million per year and possibly more. Nicks is expected to show up to the facility sometime this week, and we really wouldn't expect a long-term contract worked out before training camp.



I've been saying this for ,months. Cruz is a primma donna and a cancer. All you Cruz defenders, strap yourselves in. This is going to be a bumpy ride! And yes, I blame Cruz for all this. Nobody deserves to make 8 or 10 million dollars on a team that has a salary cap of 120 million dollars (except the QB, of course). They went 9-7 last year and missed the playoffs. Just how important can one player possibly be? How many wins would they have without Cruz? There ar 52 other players that also need to be paid. These jerks have no thought of team or unity. They don't care about their fellow players. It's all about Me Me Me. And especially in today's economy where people are working 2-3 jobs just to put food on the table. The whole thing makes me sick.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 07:54 AM
The 'team source' is most probably TC, who told the media that he wasn't present for physical reasons. Could be anything.

TC is not that stupid

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 07:57 AM
I've been saying this for ,months. Cruz is a primma donna and a cancer. All you Cruz defenders, strap yourselves in. This is going to be a bumpy ride! And yes, I blame Cruz for all this. Nobody deserves to make 8 or 10 million dollars on a team that has a salary cap of 120 million dollars (except the QB, of course). They went 9-7 last year and missed the playoffs. Just how important can one player possibly be? How many wins would they have without Cruz? There ar 52 other players that also need to be paid. These jerks have no thought of team or unity. They don't care about their fellow players. It's all about Me Me Me. And especially in today's economy where people are working 2-3 jobs just to put food on the table. The whole thing makes me sick.


There aren't 52 players negotiating contracts. You are going to be disappointed when Cruz signs, I'm afraid. Is it the players' fault that they are "given" obscene money to play a game that we fund?

Joe Morrison
05-23-2013, 08:21 AM
Sorry, this is a slap in the face, Nicks has barely played 1/2 his games here due to tweaks and injuries and he's not happy with 2.7 million? Give him his walking papers.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 08:34 AM
Sorry, this is a slap in the face, Nicks has barely played 1/2 his games here due to tweaks and injuries and he's not happy with 2.7 million? Give him his walking papers.

Really? This despite his agent saying it has nothing to do with his contract?

giantyankee1976
05-23-2013, 08:41 AM
What drama?

"...me want more $$$"

by the by is there any legs to Ramses III returning to NYG ?


giants clearly need to sign Tebow to straighten out all this drama.



aggghhhhhh

actually I'd prefer Chuck Norris

Redeyejedi
05-23-2013, 08:41 AM
Jason Cole has no clue about anything. I dont think a team is giving Nicks a 10 million dollar a year deal with his injury history. At least not 10 million with the proper amount of guaranteed money. Might get a fake deal like Harvin

Buddy333
05-23-2013, 08:46 AM
Maybe there is no story here, but didn't you think this wold happen at some point? It probably came a little earlier than expected, especially since last year he was a not factor, but its not like tis wasn't going to happen. With all the news about Cruz and his contract you would have to figure he will be unhappy at some point and want more. Again, the timing is just horrible. They have no money, he is under contract, and he is coming off his worst season as a pro. If he has a good season be ready for him to leave.

Redeyejedi
05-23-2013, 08:46 AM
Yeah but they also have to sign JPP and Joseph. Not to long after that it will be Prince. Eh, Reese will get it done. His job is tough though.Joseph is gone if he wants more then the Giants offer that why they drafted Hankins

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 08:49 AM
I dont think a team is giving Nicks a 10 million dollar a year deal with his injury history. At least not 10 million with the proper amount of guaranteed money. Might get a fake deal like Harvin

Nicks has to put in a full season to get that monkey off his back.

Buddy333
05-23-2013, 08:51 AM
Joseph is gone if he wants more then the Giants offer that why they drafted HankinsDepending on how that pick pans out that could be the case. That's why you have to like what Reese has been doing. Even at WR, he does still have JJ and Randle. Two guys that where just drafted over the last two seasons.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 08:53 AM
Maybe there is no story here, but didn't you think this wold happen at some point? It probably came a little earlier than expected, especially since last year he was a not factor, but its not like tis wasn't going to happen. With all the news about Cruz and his contract you would have to figure he will be unhappy at some point and want more. Again, the timing is just horrible. They have no money, he is under contract, and he is coming off his worst season as a pro. If he has a good season be ready for him to leave.

Of course it was going to happen, I question that it's happening now though. The timing, IF he is sending a message, is not in his favor as he's coming off yet another injury (2) season with not so good numbers. All players are going to do their best to get paid what they feel they are worth. Nicks has less leverage than Cruz at the moment simply because he's under contract for 2013.

You always want to negotiate from a position of strength. Nicks needs to play a full season and up his game which I believe he can do.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 08:58 AM
Triple the size of that font and then you would be spot on.


D R A M A :cool:

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 08:59 AM
giants clearly need to sign Tebow to straighten out all this drama.

Oy

Kruunch
05-23-2013, 09:09 AM
Because Nicks is special. He's a great player. I like Cruz but he's not Nicks. Nicks can beat press coverage. Nicks is a great playmaker with great hands.
In my opinion, he's a top 5 WR in the NFL.

I like Nicks, but if it was a choice between the two, I'd take Cruz over Nicks.

Cruz has had higher production than Nicks, been more of a home run threat and has stayed healthy over the past two years.

Hopefully this is just a show and an excuse for Nicks to sit out of voluntary OTAs.

Kruunch
05-23-2013, 09:15 AM
giants clearly need to sign Tebow to straighten out all this drama.

Best post ever.

Ruttiger711
05-23-2013, 09:17 AM
Have to lay some blame on Reese and company for this one. Didn't they make a public statement about Nicks being the priority when all the Cruz talk was just starting to ramp up? Nothing but crickets since then.

...and IMO, Nicks is by the clear priority for the team.

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 09:22 AM
Have to lay some blame on Reese and company for this one. Didn't they make a public statement about Nicks being the priority when all the Cruz talk was just starting to ramp up? Nothing but crickets since then.

...and IMO, Nicks is by the clear priority for the team.

No the giants have never said anything. That was just rumors.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 09:24 AM
They will hold around $8M for Cruz
If its $8MM, then we will probably lose Nicks. Its just way too much for Cruz.

Ruttiger711
05-23-2013, 09:25 AM
No the giants have never said anything. That was just rumors.My bad then - I could have sworn it was a statement made by Reese himself.

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 09:31 AM
Ugghhhh!!!
In Reese We Trust (https://www.facebook.com/pages/In-Reese-We-Trust/204765974855?ref=stream&hc_location=stream)
Yahoo! Sports' Jason Cole reports Hakeem Nicks is unhappy with his contract, which is why he didn't show up to OTAs on Wednesday. The Giants now have a double dose of financially unhappy receivers in Nicks and restricted free agent Victor Cruz. Coach Tom Coughlin was noticeably irritated that Nicks was a no-show for "voluntary" OTAs, saying that the receiver "should be here." With Cruz seeking $8-10 million annually on a long-term deal, Cole expects Nicks to seek "closer to the range" of $10 million per year and possibly more. Nicks is expected to show up to the facility sometime this week, and we really wouldn't expect a long-term contract worked out before training camp.

If you read this article... that disgusting nasty tool Cole is just speculating that Nicks wants a new contract.

This guy has no credibility. I mean come on guys! it's a Yahoo article.... these people are low-lives.

Diamondring
05-23-2013, 09:31 AM
If its $8MM, then we will probably lose Nicks. Its just way too much for Cruz.I'm right with you.

Buddy333
05-23-2013, 09:45 AM
If its $8MM, then we will probably lose Nicks. Its just way too much for Cruz.Well they can probably afford to pay $10 million to Nicks next season even if they do give $8 million to Cruz this year. Do they want to have $38 million locked into 3 guys next year?

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 09:46 AM
If you read this article... that disgusting nasty tool Cole is just speculating that Nicks wants a new contract.

This guy has no credibility. I mean come on guys! it's a Yahoo article.... these people are low-lives.
Maybe so...but he's probably right. It probably a little protest by Nicks. Seems like the most logical conclusion as to why he would blow off OTA's.

BlueJayC
05-23-2013, 09:46 AM
Jason Cole has no clue about anything.

This......end of story.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:02 AM
This......end of story.
I love some of the folks around here. We are quick to dismiss this story (which is fine with me) but we treat as Gospel any reports about what Victor Cruz is demanding or what the Giants have offered.
Which is the same kind of reporting of rumor and conjecture that is regurgitated throughout the media.

Roosevelt
05-23-2013, 10:07 AM
much to do about nothing

Really? How about if all our veteran players decided to do the same thing? After all, the OTA's are not mandatory.

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 10:12 AM
Maybe so...but he's probably right. It probably a little protest by Nicks. Seems like the most logical conclusion as to why he would blow off OTA's.
It may be dude, but it's just one day... I don't understand why he would throw a tantrum now considering we are dealing with Cruz.

NYGabriel
05-23-2013, 10:17 AM
If Nicks spent as much time on the field as he does on the physios table he might actually earn a contract he's happy with.

Flip Empty
05-23-2013, 10:20 AM
If Nicks spent as much time on the field as he does on the physios table he might actually earn a contract he's happy with.

Nah, he's on the final year of his rookie deal. He's being paid peanuts.

He signed the deal, though.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:22 AM
It may be dude, but it's just one day... I don't understand why he would throw a tantrum now considering we are dealing with Cruz.
I agree. I don't think its a big deal at all. I'm just saying that the report makes sense.

NYGabriel
05-23-2013, 10:25 AM
Nah, he's on the final year of his rookie deal. He's being paid peanuts.

He signed the deal, though.

Last year he was a shell of himself. Now is not the time to negotiate a new deal. Nicks needs to prove he's still a top wideout.

Ruttiger711
05-23-2013, 10:28 AM
Last year he was a shell of himself. Now is not the time to negotiate a new deal. Nicks needs to prove he's still a top wideout. Already a top wideout, no proof needed - just needs to be healthy

byron
05-23-2013, 10:29 AM
I love some of the folks around here. We are quick to dismiss this story (which is fine with me) but we treat as Gospel any reports about what Victor Cruz is demanding or what the Giants have offered.
Which is the same kind of reporting of rumor and conjecture that is regurgitated throughout the media. I've been told numerous times not to believe anything you read when it comes to Cruz....yeah so why is this any different .....Far to much drama for my taste... time will tell on all fronts.. till then **** it

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:30 AM
I've been told numerous times not to believe anything you read when it comes to Cruz....yeah so why is this any different .....Far to much drama for my taste... time will tell on all fronts.. till then **** it
So my work is done B.

byron
05-23-2013, 10:33 AM
So my work is done B. I guess so... or can we have it both ways?

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:34 AM
I guess so... or can we have it both ways?
Don't get it but lets go with it.

byron
05-23-2013, 10:38 AM
Don't get it but lets go with it. haha yeah now I'm lost.....to believe or not to believe that is the question

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:41 AM
haha yeah now I'm lost.....to believe or not to believe that is the question
There is nuance in life B. The Nicks story is probably based on rumor but its probably still true. Its not unusual for a player to skip OTA's because he's not happy with his deal.
Now if this reporter made specific claims about what Nicks is demanding in a new contract I would dismiss that out of hand. What probably happened is someone gave an opinion about why Nicks wasn't there it it got reported.
Is it true? Probably. Is the report based on known facts? Probably not.

BlueJayC
05-23-2013, 10:42 AM
I love some of the folks around here. We are quick to dismiss this story (which is fine with me) but we treat as Gospel any reports about what Victor Cruz is demanding or what the Giants have offered.
Which is the same kind of reporting of rumor and conjecture that is regurgitated throughout the media.

I've never commented on the speculation of the Cruz "saga".......or any other BS media story that cites "sources"........I dismiss all stories if a specific source is not named......the problem is 99% of stories use the "source" BS........

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 10:46 AM
D R A M A :cool:

DUDE!!! why was my thread closed?!??!

OP i'm not trying to hijack the thread lol

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 10:46 AM
giants clearly need to sign Tebow to straighten out all this drama.
Lol!!! I heard him say he wanted to play WR for the Giants.
Home-town discount too.

byron
05-23-2013, 10:50 AM
There is nuance in life B. The Nicks story is probably based on rumor but its probably still true. Its not unusual for a player to skip OTA's because he's not happy with his deal.
Now if this reporter made specific claims about what Nicks is demanding in a new contract I would dismiss that out of hand. What probably happened is someone gave an opinion about why Nicks wasn't there it it got reported.
Is it true? Probably. Is the report based on known facts? Probably not. but he is making specific claims on why Nicks isn't at ota's....whatever off to work for me have fun

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:52 AM
but he is making specific claims on why Nicks isn't at ota's....whatever off to work for me have fun
I'm not saying the reporter knows anything. I'm only saying the conclusion makes sense.
I'm also saying that its no big deal if he avoids OTA's because he's having a temper tantrum.

ryan12
05-23-2013, 10:53 AM
i am unhappy with nicks health. stay healthy and earn it

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:54 AM
i am unhappy with nicks health. stay healthy and earn it
You make it sound like staying healthy is a choice.
All you can do is work hard. If someone lands on your foot and breaks it, what the heck can you do about it?

fansince69
05-23-2013, 10:55 AM
You make it sound like staying healthy is a choice.
All you can do is work hard. If someone lands on your foot and breaks it, what the heck can you do about it?duh....move your foot

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 10:56 AM
duh....move your foot
Maybe that will be the title of his book.

BigBlueFanNJ
05-23-2013, 10:58 AM
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/05/report_giants_hakeem_nicks_wan.html


seems there might be something to this!!

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 10:58 AM
True indeed, but after an injury plagued season not at least showing up for treatment is just not responsible. OTAs aren't for rehab and Nicks did show for strength and conditioning.

Ruttiger711
05-23-2013, 11:00 AM
duh....move your footI needed a laugh this morning - thanks

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 11:02 AM
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/05/report_giants_hakeem_nicks_wan.html


seems there might be something to this!!

What a tool!
i'm not buying it until Hakeem says something...

J. Tuck Rule
05-23-2013, 11:04 AM
Hakeem Nicks is a beast WR who knows the offense and won't need hardly any time to get his timing down with Eli. I'm glad he's not at OTA's. Last time he was OTA's he broke his foot.

The risk of him being there does not outweigh the reward.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 11:10 AM
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/05/report_giants_hakeem_nicks_wan.html


seems there might be something to this!!
I already read this article. It cites the original Yahoo story as its source. This doesn't confirm anything.

Joe Morrison
05-23-2013, 11:11 AM
Anyone at OTA Today to see if he shows?

Joe Morrison
05-23-2013, 11:12 AM
Hakeem Nicks is a beast WR who knows the offense and won't need hardly any time to get his timing down with Eli. I'm glad he's not at OTA's. Last time he was OTA's he broke his foot.

The risk of him being there does not outweigh the reward.
We are talking about the same guy who is injured 50% of the time, maybe a little prep work will pay off.

J. Tuck Rule
05-23-2013, 11:13 AM
We are talking about the same guy who is injured 50% of the time, maybe a little prep work will pay off.

Henry Hynoski disagrees.

Ruttiger711
05-23-2013, 11:26 AM
We are talking about the same guy who is injured 50% of the time, maybe a little prep work will pay off.

50% eh?

sheli no more
05-23-2013, 11:42 AM
Hakeem Nicks is a beast WR who knows the offense and won't need hardly any time to get his timing down with Eli. I'm glad he's not at OTA's. Last time he was OTA's he broke his foot.

The risk of him being there does not outweigh the reward.

Yup, the timing will be there. Eli just has to underthrow him because Nicks isn't running by anybody.

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 11:51 AM
Henry Hynoski disagrees.
AHAHA that's rough dude.

Joe Morrison
05-23-2013, 11:56 AM
50% eh?
Just because he lined up doesn't mean he was healthy, 50% at best.

Ruttiger711
05-23-2013, 11:59 AM
Just because he lined up doesn't mean he was healthy, 50% at best.

so you mean last season... or career

J. Tuck Rule
05-23-2013, 12:21 PM
Yup, the timing will be there. Eli just has to underthrow him because Nicks isn't running by anybody.

False.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/558836/hakeem-nicks-o.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/3325277/hakeem-nicks-o.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs1/1329018_o.gif

Rudyy
05-23-2013, 12:33 PM
I don't believe what that guy speculated. It doesn't make any sense. In the mist of Cruz-Gate..why would he at this time be holding out for a new contract knowing his injury history? Also, if he was indeed goingto hold out, why would he proclaim to be a leader the day before? I'm going to believe Nicks is much smarter than that. I think someone just gave their opinion and it spread just like the Cruz reports. I am curious as to why Nicks did not show up, but people shouldn't be spewing nonsense out. Oh the media...

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 12:33 PM
Lol like I said. http://t.co/upm2DqjSQ2

Yahoo reporters have no sources. They just make things up.

Has nothing to do with his contract and there are no indications Nicks is going to hold out at all

Rudyy
05-23-2013, 12:34 PM
Lol like I said. http://t.co/upm2DqjSQ2Yahoo reporters have no sources. They just make things up. Has nothing to do with his contract and there are no indications Nicks is going to hold out at allLol wow. I hope everyone sees this.

rxc999
05-23-2013, 12:35 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/23/agent-of-new-york-giants-wr-hakeem-nicks-says-his-absence-from-otas-is-not-contract-related/

In addition to correcting his original story, Cole took to Twitter, saying "I misunderstood my source. I apologize for the error."

Good news...maybe...hope he's here soon...

Rudyy
05-23-2013, 12:36 PM
Cole misunderstood his source because he had NO source. He made that crap up.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 12:36 PM
DUDE!!! why was my thread closed?!??!

OP i'm not trying to hijack the thread lol

I didn't close it

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:36 PM
Lol wow. I hope everyone sees this.
Wow! Unbelievable.
This guy will never be believed again.

FBomb
05-23-2013, 12:36 PM
It's a good thing no one panicked!!!




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Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:37 PM
I didn't close it
I was surprised by that one as well. Seemed fine to me.

J. Tuck Rule
05-23-2013, 12:40 PM
Funny because, the first reply in the first thread made about this situation (dont know who it was) said something along the lines of 'Jason Cole doesnt know jack sh!t.' LOL

rxc999
05-23-2013, 12:41 PM
Agent of Nicks Says His Absence from OTAs is not Contract Related.

In addition to correcting his original story, Cole took to Twitter, saying "I misunderstood my source. I apologize for the error."

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:43 PM
Agent of Nicks Says His Absence from OTAs is not Contract Related.

In addition to correcting his original story, Cole took to Twitter, saying "I misunderstood my source. I apologize for the error."
He'll probably be an ex-reporter from Yahoo.

FBomb
05-23-2013, 12:44 PM
Never ceases to make me shake my finger in shame at the media. Everyday they prove that getting things "right the first time" is no longer a priority.

J. Tuck Rule
05-23-2013, 12:44 PM
He'll probably be an ex-reporter from Yahoo.

Please. Yahoo doesnt hold their reporters to standards. lol

Yahoo might as well be The Sun. :-)

Sundown
05-23-2013, 12:46 PM
Best troll ever! Board was on suicide watch, hide the shoe laces and rope.

FBomb
05-23-2013, 12:46 PM
Wow! Unbelievable.
This guy will never be believed again.

And yet, he'll continue you to blog his nonsense for no pay, between his shifts at Burger King.

FBomb
05-23-2013, 12:47 PM
He'll probably be an ex-reporter from Yahoo.

See above

ny06
05-23-2013, 12:47 PM
I guess I'll ask the question, why wasn't he there then?

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 12:48 PM
He needs to be fired and ridiculed like a fool that he is....
Some people on this board nearly burned down the place.

FBomb
05-23-2013, 12:50 PM
I guess I'll ask the question, why wasn't he there then?

Could be a million reasons. It's voluntary.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:51 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/23/agent-of-new-york-giants-wr-hakeem-nicks-says-his-absence-from-otas-is-not-contract-related/

In addition to correcting his original story, Cole took to Twitter, saying "I misunderstood my source. I apologize for the error."

Good news...maybe...hope he's here soon...

Not good news for Mrs. Cole....who just became the primary bread winner in the family.

Rudyy
05-23-2013, 12:52 PM
I guess I'll ask the question, why wasn't he there then?Nobody knows. What we do know is that it wasn't contract related.

drewz
05-23-2013, 12:54 PM
Maybe he's doing his own workouts while taking it easy on his knee and foot?

It's voluntary.. take it easy, it's a good thing while Rueben Randle, Louis Murphy get extra reps.

EliDaMANning
05-23-2013, 12:54 PM
Tired of this media garbage. It's always about who reports something first rather than accurate information.

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 12:55 PM
And yet, he'll continue you to blog his nonsense for no pay, between his shifts at Burger King.
ghahahahaha!!!

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:56 PM
And yet, he'll continue you to blog his nonsense for no pay, between his shifts at Burger King.
I've always found that Burger King employees got their stories straight for the most part.

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 12:57 PM
I didn't close it
Oh, no sweat... i'm not sour about it. I didn't see anything wrong with it. For once, people were not ranting against each other in a thread.
I was confused...

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:58 PM
Oh, no sweat... i'm not sour about it. I didn't see anything wrong with it. For once, people were not ranting against each other in a thread.
I was confused...
I was too, but i usually am.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 12:59 PM
Nobody knows. What we do know is that it wasn't contract related.
Maybe it was "lack of contract" related.......

Hmm.............

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 01:01 PM
This "Jason Cole" character is just trying to bring views to the terrible yahoo website.

His article was extremely vague to begin with. If you re-read it, he never provides concrete evidence or even a source.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 01:03 PM
This "Jason Cole" character is just trying to bring views to the terrible yahoo website.

His article was extremely vague to begin with. If you re-read it, he never provides concrete evidence or even a source.
I actually blame In Reese We Trust for pointing it out. Then some newspapers reported on it this morning.
All from one dope's speculations. Amazing how people run with this crap.

Like the Cruz reports.

Rudyy
05-23-2013, 01:03 PM
This "Jason Cole" character is just trying to bring views to the terrible yahoo website.His article was extremely vague to begin with. If you re-read it, he never provides concrete evidence or even a source.Right. Then he says he "misunderstood" his source. What source??? You had no source! You speculated it, and then tried to say oh I got it from a source.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 01:05 PM
Right. Then he says he "misunderstood" his source. What source??? You had no source! You speculated it, and then tried to say oh I got it from a source.
Maybe it was his other personality.

Rudyy
05-23-2013, 01:06 PM
Maybe it was his other personality.Lol

Sovereign
05-23-2013, 01:08 PM
lol

nhpgiantsfan
05-23-2013, 01:09 PM
I would feel better if they actually came up with a legit reason. Just seems fishy.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 01:13 PM
Lol wow. I hope everyone sees this.

His agent said it was false in the original article. It's the hunger to pile on that we get to witness.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 01:14 PM
Oh, no sweat... i'm not sour about it. I didn't see anything wrong with it. For once, people were not ranting against each other in a thread.
I was confused...

You can't participate here without being confused.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 01:14 PM
His agent said it was false in the original article. It's the hunger to pile on that we get to witness.
I apologize for the sidebar RF, but how do we know all the Cruz reports didn't start this way?

Just asking?.....Don't ban me.

Kruunch
05-23-2013, 01:27 PM
http://www.giants101.com/2013/05/23/agent-of-new-york-giants-wr-hakeem-nicks-says-his-absence-from-otas-is-not-contract-related/

In addition to correcting his original story, Cole took to Twitter, saying "I misunderstood my source. I apologize for the error."

Good news...maybe...hope he's here soon...

What a jack ***.

UKAnt14
05-23-2013, 01:28 PM
Personal reasons apparently.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 01:29 PM
I apologize for the sidebar RF, but how do we know all the Cruz reports didn't start this way?

Just asking?.....Don't ban me.

They actually did. The $10-11M was born at Giants 101 as pure speculation based on what other receivers had been paid. But when Steve Tisch says "more than Welker" that's factual and it's not hard to suggest that's around $7M since the NFL doesn't deal in change.

PS - Banning you is what we all live for :cool:

GameTime
05-23-2013, 01:30 PM
just more preseason horse****

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 01:31 PM
They actually did. The $10-11M was born at Giants 101 as pure speculation based on what other receivers had been paid. But when Steve Tisch says "more than Welker" that's factual and it's not hard to suggest that's around $7M since the NFL doesn't deal in change.
Welker's deal was 2 years and about $12MM.
Wouldn't 5 years and $25MM be a lot more.
Its all the way one looks at it. Again....the annual average isn't especially relevant.

BuffyBlueII
05-23-2013, 01:33 PM
Hopefully all this stuff gets straightened out soon.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 01:37 PM
I guess I'll ask the question, why wasn't he there then?

I don't want to seem ugly, but it's none of our business. Honestly, it's not. It's a voluntary program and players don't always show up.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 01:37 PM
Hopefully all this stuff gets straightened out soon.
I saw that you were agreeing with good Ol Morehead.
You can't hide it.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 01:40 PM
Welker's deal was 2 years and about $12MM.
Wouldn't 5 years and $25MM be a lot more.
Its all the way one looks at it. Again....the annual average isn't especially relevant.

The annual average is relevant if it's your paycheck. Front loaded, back loaded, bonuses, guarantee, term, it all matters.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 01:44 PM
The annual average is relevant if it's your paycheck. Front loaded, back loaded, bonuses, guarantee, term, it all matters.
But its not my paycheck. (sorry to say)

The most important factors are the years and the guarantee. As you know the team can terminate at any time.

But Mr. Tisch could have been referring to the total size of the offer and not the annual average. It was far from specific.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 01:56 PM
But its not my paycheck. (sorry to say)

The most important factors are the years and the guarantee. As you know the team can terminate at any time.

But Mr. Tisch could have been referring to the total size of the offer and not the annual average. It was far from specific.

LOL

Joe Morrison
05-23-2013, 02:23 PM
But its not my paycheck. (sorry to say)

The most important factors are the years and the guarantee. As you know the team can terminate at any time.

But Mr. Tisch could have been referring to the total size of the offer and not the annual average. It was far from specific.
The only thing that counts is the guaranteed money, they rest can go away on one play.

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 02:28 PM
But its not my paycheck. (sorry to say)

The most important factors are the years and the guarantee. As you know the team can terminate at any time.

But Mr. Tisch could have been referring to the total size of the offer and not the annual average. It was far from specific.

Signing bonus matters as much or more than guarantee does

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 02:29 PM
The only thing that counts is the guaranteed money, they rest can go away on one play.
The years matter to the team because its the length of time the team controls the player under the contract. The guarantee is what matters to the player.

TuckandRolle
05-23-2013, 02:29 PM
Nicks is too often banged up for a 10+ million dollar contract. Cruz will either get a new contract or he'll sign his tender. Let nicks play out his current contract. He'll either get hurt diminishing his hopes for a huge deal or we continue to groom Randle as his replacement. Reese is always looking 2-3 years down the road when drafting. Randle wasn't drafted to be our #3 WR in my opinion.

Dude, he was our 1st round pick and is a main reason we won the Super Bowl 2 years ago. You're nuts if you think we are letting him walk. We will franchise tag him...numerous years in a row, before we let him walk.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 02:30 PM
Signing bonus matters as much or more than guarantee does
While they aren't exactly the same thing. They are often the same thing.

slipknottin
05-23-2013, 02:31 PM
While they aren't exactly the same thing. They are often the same thing.

Not as far as the cap is concerned


And I know you believe it's rare for players to get more than what they are guaranteed, but it's simply not true. The entire contract matters.

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 02:32 PM
Not as far as the cap is concerned
Not really true either but who the hell wants to get into this now?

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 02:32 PM
Not good news for Mrs. Cole....who just became the primary bread winner in the family.
HAHAHAH you guys are killing me.

giantscolombia
05-23-2013, 02:37 PM
You can't participate here without being confused.
lol the being confused usually happens when I read some posts on here...

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 02:38 PM
lol the being confused usually happens when I read some posts on here...

That's about right

TuckandRolle
05-23-2013, 02:38 PM
When they say it's not about the mone (contract), it's obviously about the money. haha

I'm assuming his agent is covering for Nicks so he can protect his image. I'm sure Nicks will be at mandatory training camp...but I bet this is about his contract. Just my personal opinion.

RoanokeFan
05-23-2013, 02:46 PM
When they say it's not about the mone (contract), it's obviously about the money. haha

I'm assuming his agent is covering for Nicks so he can protect his image. I'm sure Nicks will be at mandatory training camp...but I bet this is about his contract. Just my personal opinion.

Why wouldn't we just believe his agent??

Nassib
05-23-2013, 02:47 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/23/nicks-agent-says-absence-was-not-related-to-contract/

egyptian420
05-23-2013, 02:50 PM
Lool Jason Cole you pathetic incompetent ####..... I shouldve gone into journalism, I could bull#### and speculate for $ too

repeatchamps
05-23-2013, 03:16 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/23/nicks-agent-says-absence-was-not-related-to-contract/


Lool Jason Cole you pathetic incompetent ####..... I shouldve gone into journalism, I could bull#### and speculate for $ too

Hey Jason Cole:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080830091229/uncyclopedia/images/6/6d/You-are-an-idiot.gif

http://www.bolgernow.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/idiot.gif (http://www.bolgernow.com/blog/?p=3535)

Morehead State
05-23-2013, 04:02 PM
Cole you imgrate!!!!!!!

Rudyy
05-23-2013, 04:04 PM
This shall be known as Cole-Gate!!!!!