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Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:23 PM
This according to Jay Glazer!

more info to come.

UKAnt14
07-08-2013, 01:23 PM
Is it me or is that a huge win for us?!

Moke
07-08-2013, 01:24 PM
Better than $10mil lol

TAILGATIN'
07-08-2013, 01:24 PM
5 yr $43 mil.... thoughts? Thats a lot of money! 8.6 a year. Too much imo

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:24 PM
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 1m
Average per year for Cruz: $8.6 million ... Guaranteed money: Little over $15 million, I'm told.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 3m
RT @MikeGarafolo So all in all, that's six years, $45.879 million for Cruz through the 2018 season


comes out to roughly 7.7mil annual. Doesnt add up with previous report.

UKAnt14
07-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Cruz gets $15.6mill guaranteed early! Also leaves us enough room to get Pugh & Nassib signed up - I'd imagine their deals have been delayed due to this being pushed through!

J. Tuck Rule
07-08-2013, 01:26 PM
NOW I can go buy his jersey.

IamGiantsfan
07-08-2013, 01:26 PM
Seems fair

Moke
07-08-2013, 01:27 PM
time to replace that shockey jersey doe

UKAnt14
07-08-2013, 01:27 PM
Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 3m
RT @MikeGarafolo So all in all, that's six years, $45.879 million for Cruz through the 2018 season


comes out to roughly 7.7mil annual. Doesnt add up with previous report.

It's reduced because of his tender salary this year. He'll be earning $8.6mill a year from 2014!

gumby74
07-08-2013, 01:27 PM
Hmm. It could have been worse ....

nhpgiantsfan
07-08-2013, 01:30 PM
The tender year stays as is, so its essentially about 46 million for 6 years. Great job Jerry Reese!!

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:31 PM
WINNING

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:32 PM
The tender year stays as is, so its essentially about 46 million for 6 years. Great job Jerry Reese!!

agreed. 7.7 mil a year. How much did Welker get? not much less if im not mistaken.

Ruttiger711
07-08-2013, 01:32 PM
agreed. 7.7 mil a year. How much did Welker get? not much less if im not mistaken.

Welker actually got more 2yr - 12 mill PLUS 4 mil signing bonus

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:33 PM
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 3m
So he's now signed through 2018. And as @MikeGarafolo just noted, it's really a 6-year, $45.879M deal (with $15.6M guaranteed). #NYG

Moke
07-08-2013, 01:34 PM
5 yr $43 mil.... thoughts? Thats a lot of money! 8.6 a year. Too much imo

Gotta read between the lines

speedman
07-08-2013, 01:34 PM
agreed. 7.7 mil a year. How much did Welker get? not much less if im not mistaken.If that's the deal it sounds pretty good for the FO.

J. Tuck Rule
07-08-2013, 01:35 PM
Another 32 page Victor Cruz thread on it's way. :cool:

nhpgiantsfan
07-08-2013, 01:35 PM
Seems like Jerry really held the line on this negotiation. Good for him.

BigBlue1971
07-08-2013, 01:36 PM
if true great news. we need Cruz here for a long while.

speedman
07-08-2013, 01:37 PM
5 yr $43 mil.... thoughts? Thats a lot of money! 8.6 a year. Too much imoTheyre saying plus the tender year, so it comes to approx 7.7 a year. Pretty good for the FO.

NYGabriel
07-08-2013, 01:37 PM
5 yr $43 mil.... thoughts? Thats a lot of money! 8.6 a year. Too much imo

He's playing out the tender of $2.8mil so it works out at 7.7

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 01:38 PM
Beware with thesse initial estimates, they almost always change when the NFL signs off and the terms are made public.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:38 PM
Another 32 page Victor Cruz thread on it's way. :cool:

The kind of thread ive been looking forward to all offseason.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:39 PM
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 2m
If you use the full terms of Cruz's deal -- six year, $45.879M -- it's an annual avg. of $7.6M. ... WAY below what he originally wanted.


I honestly didnt think he'd be taking anything less than 8.5.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 01:40 PM
Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 3m
RT @MikeGarafolo So all in all, that's six years, $45.879 million for Cruz through the 2018 season


comes out to roughly 7.7mil annual. Doesnt add up with previous report.

No mention of a signing bonus either. Whatever it turns out to be it's a win-win situation

J. Tuck Rule
07-08-2013, 01:41 PM
The kind of thread ive been looking forward to all offseason.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/enthusiasm.gif

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:41 PM
No mention of a signing bonus either. Whatever it turns out to be it's a win-win situation

thats true. Glad this is done before training camp.

GameTime
07-08-2013, 01:42 PM
at least we know that its prob a done deal. The true numbers will be released...

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 01:42 PM
I wish Hooligans wasn't banned...

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 01:42 PM
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 2m
If you use the full terms of Cruz's deal -- six year, $45.879M -- it's an annual avg. of $7.6M. ... WAY below what he originally wanted.


I honestly didnt think he'd be taking anything less than 8.5.

It depends on whether we are talking about two contracts or one extension. If the tender is going to be for this season, then it's likely a separate 5 year contract starting in 2014.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:42 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/enthusiasm.gif

lmao awesome

byron
07-08-2013, 01:43 PM
Aditi Kinkhabwala ‏@AKinkhabwala 3m
RT @MikeGarafolo So all in all, that's six years, $45.879 million for Cruz through the 2018 season


comes out to roughly 7.7mil annual. Doesnt add up with previous report. so he plays for the tender this year 2.8...next year and beyond its 8.6 per or there abouts ?

NYGabriel
07-08-2013, 01:44 PM
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 2m
If you use the full terms of Cruz's deal -- six year, $45.879M -- it's an annual avg. of $7.6M. ... WAY below what he originally wanted.


I honestly didnt think he'd be taking anything less than 8.5.

He's taking 8.6mil. He had to play out the tender anyway as no teams came in for him. It's not a bad deal for Cruz.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 01:44 PM
so he plays for the tender this year 2.8...next year and beyond its 8.6 per or there abouts ?Yep.

Buddy333
07-08-2013, 01:44 PM
How much is guaranteed? All those numbers seem great but its the guarantee that's what's most important.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:45 PM
He's taking 8.6mil. He had to play out the tender anyway as no teams came in for him. It's not a bad deal for Cruz.

this years tender amount averages into the total amount and length of the contract.

FishinTheSalt
07-08-2013, 01:47 PM
Yay! Good deal imo. Now RF can stop his tireless defense that a deal would be done before the season starts.

J. Tuck Rule
07-08-2013, 01:49 PM
How much is guaranteed? All those numbers seem great but its the guarantee that's what's most important.

$15.6 mil in guarantees.

NYGabriel
07-08-2013, 01:50 PM
this years tender amount averages into the total amount and length of the contract.

You could look at it that way or you can say he was going to play out the tender anyway. If he was to be a free agent at the end of the season he'd get $9 or $10mil. This way he takes 8.6 but has added security in guaranteed money.

Buddy333
07-08-2013, 01:50 PM
See, now that's what's important. Now he is officially set. Good deal for him and the team.

TAILGATIN'
07-08-2013, 01:51 PM
Forgot about the tender year. Works out a little better. Still the highest paid slot in the game tho. I trust the FO and happy they reached an agreement. Now for JPP and Nicks.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 01:52 PM
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 7m
Hey, Hakeem Nicks: You've got next.

PRGiant
07-08-2013, 01:52 PM
6 @ 7.5 per. I'll take it!

Carter.525
07-08-2013, 01:56 PM
Boo-Yah..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BigBlue1971
07-08-2013, 01:56 PM
thats true. Glad this is done before training camp.

yea I agree. we didn't need any contract issues going into camp. Jerry Reese done a hellva job.

Broadway Blue
07-08-2013, 01:56 PM
Awesome!!

GameTime
07-08-2013, 01:57 PM
wonder what the "sticking points" were to cause the hold up???

titwio
07-08-2013, 01:58 PM
hooray

slipknottin
07-08-2013, 02:01 PM
Now they can franchise tag Nicks next year. Would love to see him get a similar deal though.

BigBlue1971
07-08-2013, 02:04 PM
Now they can franchise tag Nicks next year. Would love to see him get a similar deal though.

id like to see Nicks get a deal like that but don't ya think he has to have an exceptional year to qualify?

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 02:07 PM
Now they can franchise tag Nicks next year. Would love to see him get a similar deal though.

I think your research a few months back makes signing Nicks and JPP very doable, assuming both return from their injuries and play at their best. If I'm Reese, I am preparing to exercise the exclusive rights franchise tag to keep the wolves away while the work out a long term deal.

But the pieces are starting to fall into place to keep Eli, Cruz, and Nicks together for an extended period of time.

Kruunch
07-08-2013, 02:07 PM
Now they can franchise tag Nicks next year. Would love to see him get a similar deal though.

Ditto.

BigBlue1971
07-08-2013, 02:08 PM
wonder what the "sticking points" were to cause the hold up???

Idk. it could've been the 9-10 mil per year Cruz wanted as reported several times.

the article said the Giants never moved from their initial offer.

UKAnt14
07-08-2013, 02:10 PM
wonder what the "sticking points" were to cause the hold up???

Apparently this has been the figure for a long time, so I'd imagine it was Cruz looking for more money before realising he wasn't going to get it. Apparently this deal has been agreed for over a week...

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 02:12 PM
wonder what the "sticking points" were to cause the hold up???

We may never know.

Buddy333
07-08-2013, 02:13 PM
Think it was the guaranteed money holding it up.

Kruunch
07-08-2013, 02:16 PM
ANOTHER Cruz thread?!

Jeez can we at least save these for when he actually gets signed. :rolleyes:

















































(did I forget the red again?)

tonyt830
07-08-2013, 02:20 PM
Glad to hear of the news. So if I am understanding this correctly, Cruz will play this year under the 1yr tender(approx $2.8 million), and the new contract kicks in next season for 5yrs 43mil. 8.6 mil a year is a fair number, in my opinion.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 02:22 PM
Glad to hear of the news. So if I am understanding this correctly, Cruz will play this year under the 1yr tender(approx $2.8 million), and the new contract kicks in next season for 5yrs 43mil. 8.6 mil a year is a fair number, in my opinion.

That's the understanding, but no one has seen the official contract details yet and we won't until the NFL signs off after Cruz and Reese have signed off.

UKAnt14
07-08-2013, 02:22 PM
Glad to hear of the news. So if I am understanding this correctly, Cruz will play this year under the 1yr tender(approx $2.8 million), and the new contract kicks in next season for 5yrs 43mil. 8.6 mil a year is a fair number, in my opinion.

Correct. Allows us to sign Pugh and Nassib and likely, sign another free agent. Although it's expecting Eli will re-do soon..

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 02:23 PM
Correct. Allows us to sign Pugh and Nassib and likely, sign another free agent. Although it's expecting Eli will re-do soon..

Actually, Pugh and Nassib are already counted under the current CAP numbers.

B-Red22
07-08-2013, 02:23 PM
Great, now lets see if Cruz leads the team in drops again

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 02:25 PM
Great, now lets see if Cruz leads the team in drops again

I knew it wouldn't take long

repeatchamps
07-08-2013, 02:28 PM
Great, now lets see if Cruz leads the team in drops again

Wow, let us not acknowledge all of his other production which basically broke most of the Giants single season WR records each of the last two seasons.

GameTime
07-08-2013, 02:29 PM
Moorhead must be on vaca. He most certainly would think this deal was too much....

Drez
07-08-2013, 02:32 PM
Moorhead must be on vaca. He most certainly would think this deal was too much....MS caught a ban.

GameTime
07-08-2013, 02:35 PM
MS caught a ban.

ahh....
been there and done that myself....

Carter.525
07-08-2013, 02:37 PM
this is a great day.. Viva Cruz!!!

repeatchamps
07-08-2013, 02:41 PM
MS caught a ban.

Yup, a vaca but not a voluntary one unfortunately for him.

J. Tuck Rule
07-08-2013, 02:42 PM
Signing bonus just shy of $10.

gmenfan0488
07-08-2013, 02:42 PM
Very fair deal for everyone involved in my opinion, I thought cruz deserved something in the 7-8 million range, this works.

egyptian420
07-08-2013, 02:43 PM
Woooooooohoooooooooo!!! 5 more years of salsas!! Deal with it NFCE!!!!

egyptian420
07-08-2013, 02:44 PM
MS caught a ban.Really? For what?

Mercury
07-08-2013, 02:45 PM
Win-Win-Win! Good for VC. (Finally getting paid like a star.) Good for the Giants. (Not too steep) Good for the fans! (Is there a Giants fan who doesn't love Victor?)

Antwuan
07-08-2013, 02:48 PM
Congrats to Victor Cruz on the new deal!!!

Victor Cruz earned it and its a fair deal on both sides, it leaves room for the Giants to hopefully re-sign Hakeem Nicks soon.

UKAnt14
07-08-2013, 02:57 PM
The photo we've all been waiting for...

https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/354311419287724032/photo/1

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 02:58 PM
P. Schrager ‏@PSchrags 8m
BREAKING- Vic Cruz (@TeamVic) is at the Giants facility, inking his contract, right now. Just sent me this picture: pic.twitter.com/gUgblrLMBP

Cool Papa B.
07-08-2013, 03:07 PM
As a lot of people have aleady said, it is a fair deal and a win-win for both parties. That 415.6 mill. garraunteed money is the key.

Does anyone know if there will be a press conference to officially announce it?

Cool Papa B.
07-08-2013, 03:09 PM
The photo we've all been waiting for...

https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/354311419287724032/photo/1

We had Tebowing; then eliing; now we have Cruzing!!!!! I called it first!!!!!

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 03:12 PM
As a lot of people have aleady said, it is a fair deal and a win-win for both parties. That 415.6 mill. garraunteed money is the key.

Does anyone know if there will be a press conference to officially announce it?

A press conference would be very unusual

JJC7301
07-08-2013, 03:13 PM
I think that its an excellent deal. Many thought that he'd be asking, or demanding, $10M+ per year. He's getting about $7.5 millon on average over 6 years. If you just consider the 5 years of the contract after the RFA contract of $2.879 million, it comes out to a little over $8 million per season for the final 5 years of the contract.

For a WR that's 26 years old, posted over 2,600 yards and 19 TDS combined over the past 2 seasons, that's a deal for the Giants.

Maybe, just maybe, we'll have enough $$ to resign Nicks now.

Congrats to the Giants AND Victor Cruz. I'm very happy that he'll be with OUR team for a long time to come.

B-Red22
07-08-2013, 03:15 PM
Wow, let us not acknowledge all of his other production which basically broke most of the Giants single season WR records each of the last two seasons.

I acknowledge his production over the last 2 years, I also acknowledge that this whole cruz thing took way too long

repeatchamps
07-08-2013, 03:16 PM
A press conference would be very unusual

Agreed that really is not the Giants style. I don't expect one.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 03:18 PM
Really? For what?Some users here are sensitive and run to the report button.

repeatchamps
07-08-2013, 03:18 PM
I acknowledge his production over the last 2 years, I also acknowledge that this whole cruz thing took way too long

It probably took a tad too long but all in all it got done well before training camp and to me that is really all that matters. There'll be no distractions at all now.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 03:18 PM
I acknowledge his production over the last 2 years, I also acknowledge that this whole cruz thing took way too longHow did it take long?

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 03:19 PM
Some users here are sensitive and run to the report button.

Let it go

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 03:19 PM
I acknowledge his production over the last 2 years, I also acknowledge that this whole cruz thing took way too long

What's too long?

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 03:19 PM
Let it goI was explaining to a user what happened. Not a big deal.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 03:23 PM
I was explaining to a user what happened. Not a big deal.

It is a big deal as it's a private matter.

egyptian420
07-08-2013, 03:24 PM
I was explaining to a user what happened. Not a big deal.Im still not sure exactly what happened but do not bother telling me since this seems to be a touchy issue lol... Thanks anyways

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 03:24 PM
Im still not sure exactly what happened but do not bother telling me since this seems to be a touchy issue lol... Thanks anywaysYup.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 03:25 PM
Yup.

Use a PM if you have the need to discuss it.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 03:27 PM
Use a PM if you have the need to discuss it.I don't lol, that one sentence was the only thing I was saying on the matter. Whatever, it's done anyway lol.

speedman
07-08-2013, 03:39 PM
Some users here are sensitive and run to the report button.These boards need to be more transparent or do a better job explaining the code of conduct.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 03:40 PM
I acknowledge his production over the last 2 years, I also acknowledge that this whole cruz thing took way too long

too long would have been after training camp. I call it perfect timing.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 03:43 PM
These boards need to be more transparent or do a better job explaining the code of conduct.


not the place for this type of convo.

egyptian420
07-08-2013, 03:44 PM
too long would have been after training camp. I call it perfect timing.lol do people still use AIM for messaging?

Giantz4Life
07-08-2013, 03:44 PM
too long would have been after training camp. I call it perfect timing.

Yessir...You are correct. Having a contract situation ala Revis and the Jets a few years back when they did Hard Knocks would have been detrimental to our team.

We got this mess sorted out right before camp/preseason and now Cruz is back to business.

Great job JR.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 03:47 PM
lol do people still use AIM for messaging?

lmao good find. that needs to come down. hahaha.

TopleyBird
07-08-2013, 03:48 PM
Exciting news. Love to keep our talent, breaks my heart to groom these guys and let other teams reap the rewards.

CRUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZ

devilsadvocate
07-08-2013, 03:48 PM
Good for Cruz getting the big contract. Its a bit on the high side to me (Cruz's reported demands weren't even realistic) but what's done is done. This just smells of a restructure in 3-4 years.

egyptian420
07-08-2013, 03:50 PM
lmao good find. that needs to come down. hahaha.Lol the logo caught my eye and took me back to about a decade ago

giant-4-life
07-08-2013, 03:53 PM
was this deal worth it? this season will tell. it will hurt our cap space but it secures cruz too. man, these things piss me off

giantsfan420
07-08-2013, 04:58 PM
this is the #'s I had in mind were we to make a serious push for Nicks. I estimate we offer 9-10 mil.


but thats another topic, way to go FO, JR and Co., TC and Co...thanks to the players who took pay cuts.

really glad for Cruz n the offense.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 05:04 PM
In Reese We Trust
Cruz was emotional on his way to sign his deal. "I was talking to my girlfriend. She said, 'You fight 26 years all your life, up and down, going through the trials and tribulations, for this one day," Cruz said (via the Giants). "To come from where Iíve come from - a lot of guys donít see graduation day in college, let alone this day in the National Football League. Words canít even describe how I feel. Words canít even describe the energy thatís flowing through my body right now. Itís a beautiful, great feeling.Ē - From Ralph Vacchiano

Bing Crosby
07-08-2013, 05:11 PM
Congrats to a job well done by the front office.

NYGabriel
07-08-2013, 05:14 PM
Cruz better not start tip toeing and short arming.

Eli TO Shockey
07-08-2013, 05:17 PM
http://www.giants.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/WR-Cruz-signs/ce9eb038-71cd-4f95-a36c-be050f4dec50#edeb7900-c137-48b3-944a-5422e13e9337

Roosevelt
07-08-2013, 05:27 PM
Party at my house. Salsa and Chunky Soup for everyone!

miked1958
07-08-2013, 05:31 PM
I'm am ecstatic that this deal got done!! Now we have Cruz locked up for next six seasons! Guess professor CrŁe was wrong, lol! Now to get nicks and JPP under long term contracts!!!

Harooni
07-08-2013, 05:33 PM
im very happy its just odd looking at the numbers why it took this long. he is basically playing for 6 years 43 mil. but hey its a win for us. so party up.

Roosevelt
07-08-2013, 05:34 PM
Really? For what?

I would guess for being himself.

BigBlueAllDay
07-08-2013, 05:34 PM
Cruz's hard work has finally paid off big time. Good for him and his family.

BigBlueAllDay
07-08-2013, 05:57 PM
It depends on whether we are talking about two contracts or one extension. If the tender is going to be for this season, then it's likely a separate 5 year contract starting in 2014.

RK, it's one whole contract with the one-year tender included plus the 5-year $43 mil extension starting 2014.

"Cruz will earn $43 million on a five-year extension that will be added to his current one-year, $2.879 million restricted tender. NFL.com's Albert Breer reported Monday that Cruz will receive $15.6 million guaranteed (https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/354291424449142784), according to a source involved in the negotiations. That would make the entire contract a six-year, $45.879 million contract. Jay Glazer of FOX Sports first reported the news."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000216712/article/victor-cruz-new-york-giants-agree-to-45879m-deal

Here's the reason for having one whole contract: The $15.6 million guaranteed money can be prorated over six years including 2013 instead of five years starting 2014 and therefore reducing the per-year cap hit of the guaranteed money.

Also from the same article,
"The contract is a win-win for both sides. The extension can be advertised as worth $8.6 million annually by Cruz's agent, which puts him knocking on the door of a top-10 receiver. In reality, the entire six-year contract is a team-friendly contract worth under $8 million per year."

I think the Giants had no way to fit in a brand new contract for Cruz in 2013 with the cap space they have. Having Cruz play under the tender money in 2013 was just perfect with the cap situation.

titwio
07-08-2013, 05:59 PM
http://prod.images.giants.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/GIANTS/assets/images/imported/NYG/photos/clubimages/2013/07-July/tempcruz-fb-center--nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:02 PM
Party at my house. Salsa and Chunky Soup for everyone!+1

titwio
07-08-2013, 06:04 PM
Party at my house. Salsa and Chunky Soup for everyone!

What's the address?

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:05 PM
What's the address?123 Sesame Street.

kNicksGiants
07-08-2013, 06:06 PM
awesome news. locking him up for 6 years is ideal. time to buy me a cruz jersey :D

titwio
07-08-2013, 06:07 PM
123 Sesame Street.

Can you tell me how to get to Sesame Street....

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:08 PM
Can you tell me how to get to Sesame Street....Make a left and keep going straight.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 06:08 PM
RK, it's one whole contract with the one-year tender included plus the 5-year $43 mil extension starting 2014.

"Cruz will earn $43 million on a five-year extension that will be added to his current one-year, $2.879 million restricted tender. NFL.com's Albert Breer reported Monday that Cruz will receive $15.6 million guaranteed (https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/354291424449142784), according to a source involved in the negotiations. That would make the entire contract a six-year, $45.879 million contract. Jay Glazer of FOX Sports first reported the news."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000216712/article/victor-cruz-new-york-giants-agree-to-45879m-deal

Here's the reason for having one whole contract: The $15.6 million guaranteed money can be prorated over six years including 2013 instead of five years starting 2014 and therefore reducing the per-year cap hit of the guaranteed money.

Also from the same article,
"The contract is a win-win for both sides. The extension can be advertised as worth $8.6 million annually by Cruz's agent, which puts him knocking on the door of a top-10 receiver. In reality, the entire six-year contract is a team-friendly contract worth under $8 million per year."

I think the Giants had no way to fit in a brand new contract for Cruz in 2013 with the cap space they have. Having Cruz play under the tender money in 2013 was just perfect with the cap situation.

you said this perfectly, the only thing that puzzles me is why he would play 2013 for so little? i dont think id have my client sign this. but as afan im happy as heck he did.

titwio
07-08-2013, 06:12 PM
Make a left and keep going straight.

"Can you tell me how to get to Sesame Street" is the theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqMzmFSX_4

N (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqMzmFSX_4)ever mind though. I was joking.

Delicreep
07-08-2013, 06:13 PM
you said this perfectly, the only thing that puzzles me is why he would play 2013 for so little? i dont think id have my client sign this. but as afan im happy as heck he did.

You might.

If I am not mistaken, he gets the full tender PLUS a huge chunk of the guaranteed money by the 27th.

He could be playing this year for a $1 on paper; he's gonna get handed 12+ in the real world.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:13 PM
"Can you tell me how to get to Sesame Street" is the theme song.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqMzmFSX_4N (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqMzmFSX_4)ever mind though. I was joking.I know, but I like ruining things.

titwio
07-08-2013, 06:15 PM
I know, but I like ruining things.

Good thing cause your awesome at it.

BigBlueAllDay
07-08-2013, 06:15 PM
you said this perfectly, the only thing that puzzles me is why he would play 2013 for so little? i dont think id have my client sign this. but as afan im happy as heck he did.

The Giants organization can't give what they aren't allowed to give for 2013. Both sides understood that. However, I think the Giants and JR had the foresight of not ending up with Cruz and Nick both as UFAs after 2013. The closer you get to the end of the season, the harder it is to negotiate contracts with high caliber players that have UFA and low-tier teams willing to overpay in their sights.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:16 PM
Good thing cause your awesome at it.Well thanks for ruining my day :(

Rusty192
07-08-2013, 06:16 PM
Some users here are sensitive and run to the report button.Reporting somebody doesn't automatically get them banned. The Mods take a look first and then ultimately make their own decision to see if it's warranted or not. They don't need to be told by other posters what's wrong, that's their job. Also, we don't even know for sure if anyone actually reported anything in the first place.


Anyway, glad all that contract drama is over with. Glad to have Cruz on long term.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 06:16 PM
You might.

If I am not mistaken, he gets the full tender PLUS a huge chunk of the guaranteed money by the 27th.

He could be playing this year for a $1 on paper; he's gonna get handed 12+ in the real world. yeah i know he will get the signing bonus up front, but i thinking 6 years 46mil as a whole isnt what i thought they were looking for.

lets just say i wouldnt want J Z representing me.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:17 PM
Reporting somebody doesn't automatically get them banned. The Mods take a look first and then ultimately make their own decision to see if it's warranted or not. They don't need to be told by other posters what's wrong, that's their job. Also, we don't even know for sure if anyone actually reported anything in the first place.Anyway, glad all that contract drama is over with. Glad to have Cruz on long term.I know it doesn't, but because you don't know what happened, it doesn't make any sense to you. We also shouldn't be talking about this publicly, sir.

titwio
07-08-2013, 06:19 PM
Well thanks for ruining my day :(

You know I was kidding. I like kidding with things and it's a good thing cause I'm mediocre at it.

Delicreep
07-08-2013, 06:20 PM
yeah i know he will get the signing bonus up front, but i thinking 6 years 46mil as a whole isnt what i thought they were looking for.

lets just say i wouldnt want J Z representing me.

The devil is in the details.

Cruz may be looking at a deal with a lot very doable markers that makes most of that 46 earnable.

We shall see...right now, as a fan, I am really psyched

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:20 PM
You know I was kidding. I like kidding with things and it's a good thing cause I'm mediocre at it.Oh so I'm a thing now? Wow, self-esteem is going right down the drain......

titwio
07-08-2013, 06:21 PM
Oh so I'm a thing now? Wow, self-esteem is going right down the drain......

Your a good thing.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 06:22 PM
The Giants organization can't give what they aren't allowed to give for 2013. Both sides understood that. However, I think the Giants and JR had the foresight of not ending up with Cruz and Nick both as UFAs after 2013. The closer you get to the end of the season, the harder it is to negotiate contracts with high caliber players that have UFA and low-tier teams willing to overpay in their sights. i think its great for the giants side, im only thinking why did cruz's side agree to basically 6 years 46mil?? he could have played out this year for the almost 3mil plus his endorments (,he will not be hurting for money )and then he could sign a bigger deal at the end of the season or hit FA.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:23 PM
Your a good thing.-wipes tears- Much better.

Rusty192
07-08-2013, 06:25 PM
I know it doesn't, but because you don't know what happened, it doesn't make any sense to you. We also shouldn't be talking about this publicly, sir.I've been reading here a lot the past few days. It makes plenty of sense.

NYGabriel
07-08-2013, 06:26 PM
you said this perfectly, the only thing that puzzles me is why he would play 2013 for so little? i dont think id have my client sign this. but as afan im happy as heck he did.

He's getting a signing bonus far larger than the tender amount. It's not a bad deal for Cruz. If he played out the year and became a free agent he'd do well to get a $9mil avg. contract. This way he plays out the year knowing he might have got a little more as a free agent but he gets 15mil guaranteed incase of injury and he gets to stay a Giant. The giants had the leverage but Cruz still got a good deal.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 06:26 PM
I've been reading here a lot the past few days. It makes plenty of sense.PM me, monkey butt.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 06:29 PM
He's getting a signing bonus far larger than the tender amount. It's not a bad deal for Cruz. If he played out the year and became a free agent he'd do well to get a $9mil avg. contract. This way he plays out the year knowing he might have got a little more as a free agent but he gets 15mil guaranteed incase of injury and he gets to stay a Giant. The giants had the leverage but Cruz still got a good deal. well i still think cruz could have got way more later, prob 4 years 40m. but i applaud reese on this one. he gave them that fast slick vacuum cleaner salesmen talk.

Rusty192
07-08-2013, 06:29 PM
PM me, monkey butt.K loser

NYGabriel
07-08-2013, 06:38 PM
well i still think cruz could have got way more later, prob 4 years 40m. but i applaud reese on this one. he gave them that fast slick vacuum cleaner salesmen talk.

Maybe Cruz blinked. He had visions of shopping in his local grocery store and seeing Steve Smith bagging at the checkout.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 06:52 PM
i think its great for the giants side, im only thinking why did cruz's side agree to basically 6 years 46mil?? he could have played out this year for the almost 3mil plus his endorments (,he will not be hurting for money )and then he could sign a bigger deal at the end of the season or hit FA.

I'm not sure it's a six year deal. I know media heads are saying over the next six years.....but it's technically, it seems, two separate contracts. We should know a few days after it's signed and approved by the NFL

The reports are suggesting a five year deal that begins in 2014 (having already signed a contract for 2013) and runs through 2018.

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2013/07/deal_for_victor_cruz_reportedly_close_worth_betwee n_8-9_million.html

FBomb
07-08-2013, 06:54 PM
Party at my house. Salsa and Chunky Soup for everyone!

I totally stole this for my FB page, Rosie.;)

jomo
07-08-2013, 06:55 PM
i think its great for the giants side, im only thinking why did cruz's side agree to basically 6 years 46mil?? he could have played out this year for the almost 3mil plus his endorments (,he will not be hurting for money )and then he could sign a bigger deal at the end of the season or hit FA.Or he could have gone down Steve Smith boulevard and never realized the (potentially) bigger payday next year. Whatever the guarentee inside the $46M, it is many multipes of the $2.95M tender which would have been his guarantee if he didn't sign this deal. My guess is that it reflects the realities of the current market or neither side would have signed it.

GameTime
07-08-2013, 06:56 PM
well i still think cruz could have got way more later, prob 4 years 40m. but i applaud reese on this one. he gave them that fast slick vacuum cleaner salesmen talk.
injury....to himself
injury....to Eli....

a smart move to sign now.

airban
07-08-2013, 06:56 PM
For those that think Cruz caved, don't forget about his endorsement deals now and in the future. Worth millions more, and that wouldn't be as easy in a city other than NY. He will still make more than Nicks even if Nicks signs for 10 mil/yr.

He did the right thing for him, the Giants did the right thing for them. Win/win, thanks Jerry!

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 06:57 PM
Or he could have gone down Steve Smith boulevard and never realized the (potentially) bigger payday next year. Whatever the guarentee inside the $46M, it is many multipes of the $2.95M tender which would have been his guarantee if he didn't sign this deal. My guess is that it reflects the realities of the current market or neither side would have signed it.

It's a contract both sides can claim victory over, perfect

jomo
07-08-2013, 06:59 PM
well i still think cruz could have got way more later, prob 4 years 40m. but i applaud reese on this one. he gave them that fast slick vacuum cleaner salesmen talk.Rooni, I think you are playing the what if game on the upside but ignoring the what if scenario on the downside. That is why he signs for less than an unrestricted free agent, because of risking injury. True, if he does 100 catches for 21 TD's and 1300 yards he is sitting on even more money next year (if the market doesn't shrink again as it did this year). But equally true, his market value could evaporate if he has a career ending injury. That is why restricted free agents sign for less than unrestricted ones. It is just economics I think.

FBomb
07-08-2013, 07:06 PM
This is a great thing for both sides, but more so for the Giants, I think. Questioning Reese's contract negotiating skills has become an exercise in futility.

Oh if only MS were here to debate with!!!

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 07:07 PM
Rooni, I think you are playing the what if game on the upside but ignoring the what if scenario on the downside. That is why he signs for less than an unrestricted free agent, because of risking injury. True, if he does 100 catches for 21 TD's and 1300 yards he is sitting on even more money next year (if the market doesn't shrink again as it did this year). But equally true, his market value could evaporate if he has a career ending injury. That is why restricted free agents sign for less than unrestricted ones. It is just economics I think.


+1 and, for a five year deal, he's done pretty well for himself.

kNicksGiants
07-08-2013, 07:08 PM
giants had the leverage. they could have forced him to play out this year on the 1 year tender and then if they wanted next year they could slap him with a franchise tag. so he'd be forced to play the next 2 years on 1 year deals with no insurance or long term security.

cruz made the smart move by signing. it's still a lot of money. fair deal for both sides imo

byron
07-08-2013, 07:10 PM
Rooni, I think you are playing the what if game on the upside but ignoring the what if scenario on the downside. That is why he signs for less than an unrestricted free agent, because of risking injury. True, if he does 100 catches for 21 TD's and 1300 yards he is sitting on even more money next year (if the market doesn't shrink again as it did this year). But equally true, his market value could evaporate if he has a career ending injury. That is why restricted free agents sign for less than unrestricted ones. It is just economics I think. agreed.... a bird in the hand is worth two in bush ... Cruz made the right move....he put 15 mil in the bank today.... pretty sure he be smiling

giantsfan420
07-08-2013, 07:23 PM
He's getting a signing bonus far larger than the tender amount. It's not a bad deal for Cruz. If he played out the year and became a free agent he'd do well to get a $9mil avg. contract. This way he plays out the year knowing he might have got a little more as a free agent but he gets 15mil guaranteed incase of injury and he gets to stay a Giant. The giants had the leverage but Cruz still got a good deal.yeah nice post I agree. I'm really hopeful we will get nicks taken care of before the end of the season...but thats looking way ahead.

pretty fair contract for both parties, like you said. Cruz should be ahappy camper this season. Hopefully he wont get complacent, but I dont see how thatd happen

Carter.525
07-08-2013, 07:25 PM
CRUUUUUUUUUZ..!!!!!

Flip Empty
07-08-2013, 07:27 PM
Happy with this, still want to see the final structure, though.

ShineOnForever
07-08-2013, 07:34 PM
Excellent deal for both sides

Carter.525
07-08-2013, 07:41 PM
Excellent deal for both sides

Everybody wins..

jomo
07-08-2013, 07:42 PM
CRUUUUUUUUUZ..!!!!!+1

njsean
07-08-2013, 07:50 PM
Do you guys realize the Bears pay Devin frickin Hester north of 10m/yr? Reese is the man.

jomo
07-08-2013, 07:51 PM
Do you guys realize the Bears pay Devin frickin Hester north of 10m/yr? Reese is the man.I opened this thread to say just that. Thank you JR for playing this one professionally, methodically............perfectly.

zimonami
07-08-2013, 08:03 PM
I opened this thread to say just that. Thank you JR for playing this one professionally, methodically............perfectly.Everyone wins.... Organization, Victor, and the fans are all happy.
Congrats VC, and may you remain healthy throughout

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 08:06 PM
Everyone wins.... Organization, Victor, and the fans are all happy.
Congrats VC, and may you remain healthy throughout

+1

Redeyejedi
07-08-2013, 08:41 PM
Outstanding job by Jerry Reese ,compared to some of the WR contracts out there this is an absolute steal

Harooni
07-08-2013, 08:53 PM
Do you guys realize the Bears pay Devin frickin Hester north of 10m/yr? Reese is the man. yeah fans dont realize this is a great deal for us. Cruz didnt get sucha great deal.

i just hope by year 3 -4 he isnt pulling an osi.

TheAnalyst
07-08-2013, 08:56 PM
Wow, some of you completely changed your opinions. I saw what Percy, Wallace, Hester got, and thought $10M/yr is about what Cruz deserves comparbly. This is a great signing. It is harder to replace Cruz then Nicks, but hopefully we get both our boys in blue for a long time, at least the remainder of Eli's career.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 08:57 PM
yeah fans dont realize this is a great deal for us. Cruz didnt get sucha great deal.

i just hope by year 3 -4 he isnt pulling an osi.

How didn't Cruz get a good deal?

nhpgiantsfan
07-08-2013, 08:59 PM
How didn't Cruz get a good deal?

I'd say the deal is very good for both sides. But IMO, the fact that its on top of the tender year makes this a win for JR. But still, Cruz will be a very rich man.

TheAnalyst
07-08-2013, 09:02 PM
I'd say the deal is very good for both sides. But IMO, the fact that its on top of the tender year makes this a win for JR. But still, Cruz will be a very rich man.

Victor Cruz just made enough for him, his family and his kids kids to be ok without working. I think Cruz got a hell of a deal.

drewz
07-08-2013, 09:04 PM
YEAR
BASE
S. BONUS
MISC.
CAP HIT
DEAD


2013
630,000
1,900,000
-
2,530,000
14,130,000


2014
4,000,000
1,900,000
1,500,000
7,400,000
11,600,000


2015
6,150,000
1,900,000
-
8,050,000
5,700,000


2016
7,900,000
1,900,000
-
9,800,000
3,800,000


2017
7,400,000
1,900,000
-
9,300,000
1,900,000


2018
8,400,000
-
-
8,400,000





At first I was skeptical of the deal, but after seeing the way it's structured. I have no issues with it, good job by Reese..

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:04 PM
How didn't Cruz get a good deal? trust me we got the better deal. you will see what the top tier wR's will be getting
next year.

also look at these guys base salaries for 13

1
Andre Johnson at Wide Receiver $9,500,000
2
Brandon Marshall at Wide Receiver $9,100,000
3
Sidney Rice at Wide Receiver $8,500,000
4
Santonio Holmes at Wide Receiver $7,500,000
5
DeSean Jackson at Wide Receiver $6,750,000

Cruz gets an avg of 7,600,000 thats including his bonus

by 2015 -16 others will be making 10plus easy.

now of course its not a bad deal for cruz, but think about it Reese got the upper hand here

FBomb
07-08-2013, 09:05 PM
How didn't Cruz get a good deal?

lol....Harooni now has the perfect avatar. He's the Giants board Si. His opinion is odd, but he's funny so we keep him around. :p

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:08 PM
lol....Harooni now has the perfect avatar. He's the Giants board Si. His opinion is odd, but he's funny so we keep him around. :p

hey , what can I say. my theorys are just too advanced for some.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:08 PM
I'd say the deal is very good for both sides. But IMO, the fact that its on top of the tender year makes this a win for JR. But still, Cruz will be a very rich man.

He reportedly gets $15.6M guarantee paid out over the first two years of the contract, a $9.5M signing bonus, and a 1.5 roster bonus in 2014. We need to wait for the actual details to be released but if the first year of the guarantee is paid out in 2014, then its a 5 year contract. If the first year guarantee is paid in 2013 he's going to get about 12.579M this season when you factor in the non-salary money. It's a win all the way around.

nhpgiantsfan
07-08-2013, 09:08 PM
Victor Cruz just made enough for him, his family and his kids kids to be ok without working. I think Cruz got a hell of a deal.

What you think is enough money to support 3 generations of Cruz's, has nothing to do with whether it is a great deal for him in comparison to the WR market. In that regard I think Jerry handled it perfectly and didn't overpay at all.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:09 PM
lol....Harooni now has the perfect avatar. He's the Giants board Si. His opinion is odd, but he's funny so we keep him around. :p

And so avant garde :cool:

FBomb
07-08-2013, 09:12 PM
hey , what can I say. my theorys are just too advanced for some.

"Lissin here Jack"......Cruz is getting right around what he should be getting. RF and I have called this thing from the start. Nearly exact on the money,

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:12 PM
He reportedly gets $15.6M guarantee paid out over the first two years of the contract, a $9.5M signing bonus, and a 1.5 roster bonus in 2014. We need to wait for the actual details to be released but if the first year of the guarantee is paid out in 2014, then its a 5 year contract. If the first year guarantee is paid in 2013 he's going to get about 12.579M this season when you factor in the non-salary money. It's a win all the way around.

a bunch of money up front doesnt always equal best deal overall, think Osi. sure its great if you cant wait, but there was no rush cruz makes good money already.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:14 PM
"Lissin here Jack"......Cruz is getting right around what he should be getting. RF and I have called this thing from the start. Nearly exact on the money, I just didnt think his side would settle for an avg below 8mill. advantage Reese. J Z should stick to Rapping. Cruz should have got someone with gold or stein in his last name.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:15 PM
a bunch of money up front doesnt always equal best deal overall, think Osi. sure its great if you cant wait, but there was no rush cruz makes good money already.

You are looking at it in one dimension, money. Others have already pointed out the "I" word as a really good reason not to go into the season with bupkus for a guarantee. He's signed for the rest Eli's likely tenure and if they can snag Nicks, it's all good.

FBomb
07-08-2013, 09:16 PM
I just didnt think his side would settle for an avg below 8mill. advantage Reese. J Z should stick to Rapping. Cruz should have got someone with gold or stein in his last name.

I now hear Si's voice everytime I read your posts!!!:D

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:16 PM
trust me we got the better deal. you will see what the top tier wR's will be getting
next year.

also look at these guys base salaries for 13

1
Andre Johnson at Wide Receiver $9,500,000
2
Brandon Marshall at Wide Receiver $9,100,000
3
Sidney Rice at Wide Receiver $8,500,000
4
Santonio Holmes at Wide Receiver $7,500,000
5
DeSean Jackson at Wide Receiver $6,750,000

Cruz gets an avg of 7,600,000 thats including his bonus

by 2015 -16 others will be making 10plus easy.

now of course its not a bad deal for cruz, but think about it Reese got the upper hand here

You also think Tiki is a saint

Drez
07-08-2013, 09:17 PM
I just didnt think his side would settle for an avg below 8mill. advantage Reese. J Z should stick to Rapping. Cruz should have got someone with gold or stein in his last name.Condon negotiated his deal, not Jay-Z.

Drez
07-08-2013, 09:18 PM
trust me we got the better deal. you will see what the top tier wR's will be getting
next year.

also look at these guys base salaries for 13

1
Andre Johnson at Wide Receiver $9,500,000
2
Brandon Marshall at Wide Receiver $9,100,000
3
Sidney Rice at Wide Receiver $8,500,000
4
Santonio Holmes at Wide Receiver $7,500,000
5
DeSean Jackson at Wide Receiver $6,750,000

Cruz gets an avg of 7,600,000 thats including his bonus

by 2015 -16 others will be making 10plus easy.

now of course its not a bad deal for cruz, but think about it Reese got the upper hand hereAnd if you look at that list, all those guys are outside receivers, not slot guys.

TheAnalyst
07-08-2013, 09:20 PM
What you think is enough money to support 3 generations of Cruz's, has nothing to do with whether it is a great deal for him in comparison to the WR market. In that regard I think Jerry handled it perfectly and didn't overpay at all.

Yes, yes it is. Playing a football game 20-24 times a year and getting paid millions of dollars is awesome if he got 10M or 100M. Its an awesome deal for Cruz. Is he worth more in the market? Probably. But it is still a great deal for him. Retire at 32 (which he wont) and never worry about another thing in his life. Sip a ****tail on the beach. Done and done.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:20 PM
Condon negotiated his deal, not Jay-Z.

You are wasting your time with this one, no one seems to understand the linkage

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:20 PM
Condon negotiated his deal, not Jay-Z. who Tom Condom? elis agent? well i guess he got us on that one, this one went our way.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:22 PM
Yes, yes it is. Playing a football game 20-24 times a year and getting paid millions of dollars is awesome if he got 10M or 100M. Its an awesome deal for Cruz. Is he worth more in the market? Probably. But it is still a great deal for him. Retire at 32 (which he wont) and never worry about another thing in his life. Sip a ****tail on the beach. Done and done.

I think his off field interests will get a bump from his celebrity and cash flow will never be a problem for young Victor Cruz

Drez
07-08-2013, 09:23 PM
who Tom Condom? elis agent? well i guess he got us on that one, this one went our way.Eli's contract wasn't bad at all before the restructuring.

Drez
07-08-2013, 09:23 PM
You are wasting your time with this one, no one seems to understand the linkageIt really is mind-boggling. It isn't a difficult concept to grasp. At all.

Roosevelt
07-08-2013, 09:27 PM
I totally stole this for my FB page, Rosie.;)

Cool F, it's definitely worth celebrating!

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:28 PM
Eli's contract wasn't bad at all before the restructuring. not bad??? it made him the highest paid player in the nfl at the time and he wasnt even top 5 at his position.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 09:29 PM
not bad??? it made him the highest paid player in the nfl at the time and he wasnt even top 5 at his position.So what? Without him, where would we be?

nhpgiantsfan
07-08-2013, 09:29 PM
Yes, yes it is. Playing a football game 20-24 times a year and getting paid millions of dollars is awesome if he got 10M or 100M. Its an awesome deal for Cruz. Is he worth more in the market? Probably. But it is still a great deal for him. Retire at 32 (which he wont) and never worry about another thing in his life. Sip a ****tail on the beach. Done and done.

You answered the question when you said "is he worth more on the market? Probably." Any contract he was going to get was going to set him up for life. But did Cruz get what he was looking for or did Jerry pay what he wanted to pay. I'd say its closer to what Jerry wanted to pay.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:31 PM
So what? Without him, where would we be? we would have a stud young QB and plenty of cap space for a bad #@@ defense. hehe but yeah SB's are good i guess

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:31 PM
You answered the question when you said "is he worth more on the market? Probably." Any contract he was going to get was going to set him up for life. But did Cruz get what he was looking for or did Jerry pay what he wanted to pay. I'd say its closer to what Jerry wanted to pay. thank you finally someone gets it. we all know some team was going to pay him 10 /yr easy

Carter.525
07-08-2013, 09:32 PM
So what? Without him, where would we be?

the Jaguars.. :(

jomo
07-08-2013, 09:32 PM
Yes, yes it is. Playing a football game 20-24 times a year and getting paid millions of dollars is awesome if he got 10M or 100M. Its an awesome deal for Cruz. Is he worth more in the market? Probably. But it is still a great deal for him. Retire at 32 (which he wont) and never worry about another thing in his life. Sip a ****tail on the beach. Done and done.I think over the past 4 months we have found out that he is not worth more "in the market". If he were worth more, he would have received it from another team or from us. That's the beautiful thing about the market. Only the market can say where the market is and Victor just discovered that. Great news for the young man. I have a feeling that he will use it as a stepping stone to more good things in his life. Congrats VC!

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 09:33 PM
the Jaguars.. :(But we'd have a young stud QB!!

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:35 PM
No jomo , we found out that teams didnt want to give up a first and pay 8-10mil a season. but i can tell you, one more 1,000 yard season and he would be the hottest thing to hit FA in 2014 . I tell you what

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:35 PM
thank you finally someone gets it. we all know some team was going to pay him 10 /yr easy

Where were all these teams?

Roosevelt
07-08-2013, 09:35 PM
yeah fans dont realize this is a great deal for us. Cruz didnt get sucha great deal.

i just hope by year 3 -4 he isnt pulling an osi.

I think Cruz did very well in this day and age of free agency. We've seen every team (that is managed properly) use more discretion due to the limits of the salary cap.

Consider all issues: He was un-drafted. He wanted to stay here. He knew he would get fair treatment fro the Giants. His potential for income outside football is huge.

All is well for Victor and us. The only downside is if he doesn't live up to his end and (the obvious) injury issue.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:36 PM
I think Cruz did very well in this day and age of free agency. We've seen every team (that is managed properly) use more discretion due to the limits of the salary cap.

Consider all issues: He was un-drafted. He wanted to stay here. He knew he would get fair treatment fro the Giants. His potential for income outside football is huge.

All is well for Victor and us. The only downside is if he doesn't live up to his end and (the obvious) injury issue.


+1

blueomaha
07-08-2013, 09:37 PM
he better produce....

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 09:39 PM
he better produce....Yup, on and off the field....

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:41 PM
you got to treat these contracts like women. sometimes you have to blow a little smoke.

Reese is to be congratulated

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:42 PM
you got to treat these contracts like woman. sometimes you have to blow a little smoke.

Reese is to be congratulated

Did we need to go sexist?

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:43 PM
Yup, on and off the field....

Hasn't he been doing both?

jomo
07-08-2013, 09:43 PM
No jomo , we found out that teams didnt want to give up a first and pay 8-10mil a season. but i can tell you, one more 1,000 yard season and he would be the hottest thing to hit FA in 2014 . I tell you whatYes 'Rooni, but those are the types of parameters that set "the market." He was not an unrestricted free agent, he was a restricted free agent with many more strings attached to him.

Maybe we are just dancing around symantics. Maybe you are saying this: "if Victor Cruz were able to get through another season, with big numbers and without serious injury he would almost certainly command a bigger contract" I would agree with you. However he weighed the risk of that not happening against the certainty of the Giants forking over an nice chunk of change now at something of a discount off of what he might earn as an unrestricted free agent.

His agent will always (and should always) argue in his favor as if he were unrestricted. The realities on the ground are that he was in fact restricted. Hence he got less which is fair for the Giants and fair for him. His family is secure financially (unlike Steve Smith's) and the Giants lock him down for the long term at a discount. That is how the market should work and it strikes me as a win, win.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:44 PM
Did we need to go sexist? oh i thought it was a shot at men,. bsing to women.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 09:44 PM
Hasn't he been doing both?NO. DEFINITELY NOT.

Delicreep
07-08-2013, 09:44 PM
No jomo , we found out that teams didnt want to give up a first and pay 8-10mil a season. but i can tell you, one more 1,000 yard season and he would be the hottest thing to hit FA in 2014 . I tell you what

I mentioned this before: Cruz has two agents.
The one that negotiated his contract with the Giants does not care a whit about his other outside deals.
The one that does the outside deals cares very much where Cruz plays and not as much about how much he makes on the field.

You know where Cruz plays makes all the difference in the world as to his total income; and to play with a winning team that should at least make the playoffs most years just makes it sweater financially.

There are not many teams that are major market, have an excellent achieving organization and would be willing to overspend on a slot receiver.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:46 PM
Yes 'Rooni, but those are the types of parameters that set "the market." He was not an unrestricted free agent, he was a restricted free agent with many more strings attached to him.

Maybe we are just dancing around symantics. Maybe you are saying this: "if Victor Cruz were able to get through another season, with big numbers and without serious injury he would almost certainly command a bigger contract" I would agree with you. However he weighed the risk of that not happening against the certainty of the Giants forking over an nice chunk of change now at something of a discount off of what he might earn as an unrestricted free agent.

His agent will always (and should always) argue in his favor as if he were unrestricted. The realities on the ground are that he was in fact restricted. Hence he got less which is fair for the Giants and fair for him. His family is secure financially (unlike Steve Smith's) and the Giants lock him down for the long term at a discount. That is how the market should work and it strikes me as a win, win.

i agree injury risk, and staying near home, NYG, money now, all factor in, but i have a feeling they werent scared to play for that tender and hit FA in 14. but thats just my feeling.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:47 PM
NO. DEFINITELY NOT.

Where have I been for the past two years?

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 09:48 PM
Where have I been for the past two years?Now when I say off the field..............

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:48 PM
Yes 'Rooni, but those are the types of parameters that set "the market." He was not an unrestricted free agent, he was a restricted free agent with many more strings attached to him.

Maybe we are just dancing around symantics. Maybe you are saying this: "if Victor Cruz were able to get through another season, with big numbers and without serious injury he would almost certainly command a bigger contract" I would agree with you. However he weighed the risk of that not happening against the certainty of the Giants forking over an nice chunk of change now at something of a discount off of what he might earn as an unrestricted free agent.

His agent will always (and should always) argue in his favor as if he were unrestricted. The realities on the ground are that he was in fact restricted. Hence he got less which is fair for the Giants and fair for him. His family is secure financially (unlike Steve Smith's) and the Giants lock him down for the long term at a discount. That is how the market should work and it strikes me as a win, win.

That's all that matters in the end. Cruz is happy, the Giants are happy, the fans are, well... fans.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:49 PM
Now when I say off the field..............

OUTSIDE THE HOUSE

Roosevelt
07-08-2013, 09:49 PM
he better produce....

Um...that kinda goes without saying, ya?

jomo
07-08-2013, 09:49 PM
i agree injury risk, and staying near home, NYG, money now, all factor in, but i have a feeling they werent scared to play for that tender and hit FA in 14. but thats just my feeling.All of that plays into the parties coming together somewhere............and when that happens it IS the market plain and simple. Next year, after a big year, no injuries different deal. That would be the market next year but not this year. That is all I am saying. From every indication both parties are pleased with the outcome. That makes me happy and I prefer to be happy.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 09:51 PM
OUTSIDE THE HOUSEOh. Well yeah, he's good in that department.

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:53 PM
Oh. Well yeah, he's good in that department.

Who's this "girlfriend" he's talking about in another thread? Is that code for Rudyy???

Harooni
07-08-2013, 09:55 PM
All of that plays into the parties coming together somewhere............and when that happens it IS the market plain and simple. Next year, after a big year, no injuries different deal. That would be the market next year but not this year. That is all I am saying. From every indication both parties are pleased with the outcome. That makes me happy and I prefer to be happy. hey we all should be happy , we got him below 8mil /per . you will see what i mean by 2015

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 09:55 PM
Who's this "girlfriend" he's talking about in another thread? Is that code for Rudyy???I'd rather not discuss that.....

RoanokeFan
07-08-2013, 09:56 PM
I'd rather not discuss that.....

My bad, sorry. He's just protecting your privacy :rolleyes:

Harooni
07-08-2013, 10:01 PM
I'd rather not discuss that..... i think Partner is the pc term.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 10:09 PM
i found what she looks like. nice lil bubble

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/victor-elaina.jpg

GameTime
07-08-2013, 10:12 PM
i found what she looks like. nice lil bubble

http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/victor-elaina.jpg
RUDYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 10:16 PM
RUDYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Psshhhhhhhh......

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 10:17 PM
i found what she looks like. nice lil bubble http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/victor-elaina.jpgmeh

Delicreep
07-08-2013, 10:20 PM
meh

Meh may well be the best description.

move along...nothing to see here.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 10:21 PM
Meh may well be the best description.move along...nothing to see here.LOL

Harooni
07-08-2013, 10:22 PM
id be upgrading after I signed that dotted line.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 10:23 PM
id be upgrading after I signed that dotted line.I need to make a trip to Patterson..

GameTime
07-08-2013, 10:24 PM
Psshhhhhhhh......
just being sarcastic.....
I am sure you are beautiful.......:cool:

Delicreep
07-08-2013, 10:25 PM
I need to make a trip to Patterson..

Hell...for that kinda dough I have to make a trip to Patterson.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 10:25 PM
I need to make a trip to Patterson.. go there and pull her wig off. lol

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 10:26 PM
Hell...for that kinda dough I have to make a trip to Patterson.stop being funny for once.

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 10:27 PM
go there and pull her wig off. lolYeah..her wig is ridiculous. Women aren't real these days.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 10:27 PM
stop being funny for once. who is this , this is not delicreep, this guy has a personality :p

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 10:28 PM
just being sarcastic.....I am sure you are beautiful.......:cool:oooooohhhh stoppppp

Rudyy
07-08-2013, 10:28 PM
who is this , this is not delicreep, this guy has a personality :pstop being mean for once.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 10:35 PM
Yeah..her wig is ridiculous. Women aren't real these days.

http://t.qkme.me/3u99gk.jpg

jomo
07-08-2013, 10:51 PM
stop being mean for once.You must not have experienced the old Harooni who had a much stronger edge. I miss that guy.......sometimes lol. He sure did keep it interesting around here.

Harooni
07-08-2013, 11:21 PM
You must not have experienced the old Harooni who had a much stronger edge. I miss that guy.......sometimes lol. He sure did keep it interesting around here. well you slow down with age i guess

giantsfan420
07-08-2013, 11:22 PM
anyone have the #s comared to other #2 WRs?