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a50yrfan
01-03-2012, 09:44 AM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

TrueBlue07
01-03-2012, 09:48 AM
and what are his day to day duties for the team? If he isn't a DC, it sounds like we're basically paying two men to do the job of one. Not to mention TC may have an objection or two to that.

Kruunch
01-03-2012, 09:49 AM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

Why would we want to keep Fewell again?

buddy33
01-03-2012, 09:50 AM
Why would they want him as a head coach? He just got fired.

MikeIsaGiant
01-03-2012, 11:41 AM
I want him as DC and that's all, but I really doubt Perry gets fired unless he lays a HUGE stinker this weekend, which is possible bearing how nasty Atlanta's offense is

NYSPORTS
01-03-2012, 11:53 AM
I want him as DC and that's all, but I really doubt Perry gets fired unless he lays a HUGE stinker this weekend, which is possible bearing how nasty Atlanta's offense is

Hate his defense but it's likely true.

TrueBlue07
01-03-2012, 11:53 AM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

Why would we want to keep Fewell again?

It's amazing how stupid, and consequentially smart Fewell became when Tuck started playing like we expect him to.


We may disagree with how Fewell handled the crappy situation (guys out for the year, guys battling injuries and not performing to the best of their abilities) we were in, but there really is no question, Fewell is a good DC.

RagTime Blue
01-03-2012, 12:15 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

Why would we want to keep Fewell again?

It's amazing how stupid, and consequentially smart Fewell became when Tuck started playing like we expect him to.


We may disagree with how Fewell handled the crappy situation (guys out for the year, guys battling injuries and not performing to the best of their abilities) we were in, but there really is no question, Fewell is a good DC.


Yeah, he stopped with the 3-man (ain't no) rush on 3rd and longs. I guess he can stay.

All this talk about Spags is IMO futile. There's no place for him, and he was only here for two seasons. Somebody else might still offer him a HC job, anyway.

Kruunch
01-03-2012, 01:01 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

Why would we want to keep Fewell again?

It's amazing how stupid, and consequentially smart Fewell became when Tuck started playing like we expect him to.


We may disagree with how Fewell handled the crappy situation (guys out for the year, guys battling injuries and not performing to the best of their abilities) we were in, but there really is no question, Fewell is a good DC.


Fewell never became smart.

He's stuck with a base zone defense after we made Grossman look like a HoF QB for the second time this year and everyone (including his own players) were screaming at him.

We have a lot of talent on defense ... what we don't have is a particularly good DC or scheme. Any of a dozen quality DCs would have this defense in the top 10 if not top 5 defenses this year.

Including injuries.

We are currently ranked 27th in total defense.

This is the first time that I can ever remember being in the playoffs and our defense being considered the liability of the team.

Fewell's contract is over this year and they can't get him out of the building fast enough.

burier
01-03-2012, 01:20 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires. Why would we want to keep Fewell again?

It's amazing how stupid, and consequentially smart Fewell became when Tuck started playing like we expect him to.


We may disagree with how Fewell handled the crappy situation (guys out for the year, guys battling injuries and not performing to the best of their abilities) we were in, but there really is no question, Fewell is a good DC.
Fewell never became smart. He's stuck with a base zone defense after we made Grossman look like a HoF QB for the second time this year and everyone (including his own players) were screaming at him. We have a lot of talent on defense ... what we don't have is a particularly good DC or scheme. Any of a dozen quality DCs would have this defense in the top 10 if not top 5 defenses this year. Including injuries. We are currently ranked 27th in total defense. This is the first time that I can ever remember being in the playoffs and our defense being considered the liability of the team. Fewell's contract is over this year and they can't get him out of the building fast enough.</P>


The thing is that the Giants looks ready for a serious playoff run. If that happens it becomes very difficult to justify firing anyone.</P>


There something wrong when the DC takes 16 weeks to figure out that its time to simplify the defense.I also think its silly to say that the defense looks better because Tuck is playing better. </P>

buddy33
01-03-2012, 01:27 PM
The Rams where dealing with a lot of injuries in their secondary this year and so are the Giants. PF also lost Goff for the year and basically Tuck was a non factor until just a couple of weeks ago. Osi has also missed a lot of time.

Does anyone think that this defense would have been so much better with TT, Goff, and Tuck being healthy all year?

Kruunch
01-03-2012, 02:32 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires. Why would we want to keep Fewell again?

It's amazing how stupid, and consequentially smart Fewell became when Tuck started playing like we expect him to.


We may disagree with how Fewell handled the crappy situation (guys out for the year, guys battling injuries and not performing to the best of their abilities) we were in, but there really is no question, Fewell is a good DC.
Fewell never became smart. He's stuck with a base zone defense after we made Grossman look like a HoF QB for the second time this year and everyone (including his own players) were screaming at him. We have a lot of talent on defense ... what we don't have is a particularly good DC or scheme. Any of a dozen quality DCs would have this defense in the top 10 if not top 5 defenses this year. Including injuries. We are currently ranked 27th in total defense. This is the first time that I can ever remember being in the playoffs and our defense being considered the liability of the team. Fewell's contract is over this year and they can't get him out of the building fast enough.</P>


The thing is that the Giants looks ready for a serious playoff run. If that happens it becomes very difficult to justify firing anyone.</P>


There something wrong when the DC takes 16 weeks to figure out that its time to simplify the defense.**I also think its silly to say that the defense looks better because Tuck is playing better. </P>

Actually if you noticed Tuck started playing "better" when Osi came back two weeks ago.

Tuck is a good player ... but he tends to disappear when he's the focal point of attention.

We're getting healthy .... Fewell has at least given our guys a scheme they seem to be able to follow. Hopefully it's enough to see us through.

I agree that making the playoffs may stave off letting Fewell go, but by the same comparison, they may just decide not to renew his contract (it is up this year after all).

I think it will really depend how much noise we make in the playoffs.

Kruunch
01-03-2012, 02:33 PM
Does anyone think that this defense would have been so much better with TT, Goff, and Tuck being healthy all year?

It would have probably made the difference in the Seattle, 49ers, Packers and second Eagles game.

So yeah.

JesseJames
01-03-2012, 02:59 PM
if the defense plays well in the payoffs it may be enough to keep Fewells job but it doesn't explain why it took 13 weeks for him to figure out that his scheme wasn't going to work and for that reason alone I would like a new DC who isn't so set in his ways that he won't bend...

gabagool
01-03-2012, 03:00 PM
Osi didnt play against the Jets, and Tuck played a very good game. Bottom line is he hasnt been healthy. He isnt a leader, and he needs to be motivated. But when healthy, he is a stud.

JimC
01-03-2012, 03:12 PM
I hope Spags gets hired soon by someone so we can end all this silly talk.

G-Man67
01-03-2012, 03:17 PM
sounds like something the Jets would do, no thanks



so what happens when we give up 40 points in an early season game? ... do we go, oh hey Perry we are gonna let Steve devise the game plan this week



then we get a 12 man penalty on game day and next week we go, hey Perry we're going to not only have Steve design the game plan, but also to do the signal calling



then the next week we tell Perry that he needs to move his desk into the supply closet like that poor red stapler fella from office space



all joking aside, these decisions have to be all or nothing .... frankly, i trust the organization to do the right thing, whatever that is, but all i would say is that the decision is far more complicated than simply saying Steve is an A- DC and Perry is only a B+ DC ... you also have to look long term



let's look at it this way ... i think TC is a better HC than Jeff Fisher, but TC is only going to be HC for a year or 2 more, so we could technically say, well TC did a good job this year, but let's sell him down the river b/c Fisher might be our coach for 5-8 more years and he is almost good



Steve might be a great move for us, but only if we consider him to be the best candidate for HC when TC leaves, otherwise, Spags will simply apply for HC jobs elsewhere and be gone again, meanwhile Fewell might be doing a great job at DC for the Eagles or Cowboys

TrueBlue07
01-03-2012, 03:20 PM
The Fewell haters refuse to acknowledge the idea that maybe the defense he was running was not the scheme he wanted to run, but the one he felt he needed to due to injuries/lack of experience for the unit. He was always a "bend but don't break" defense, and that worked last. Part of the "bend but don't break" philosophy is that you feel eventually the offense will turn the ball over, and when we had our play makers/guys healthy, we lead the league in take aways.

I'm not saying I liked Fewell's scheme for most of the season, I didn't. But I also don't think he was running the scheme he wanted to either, and that is usually overlooked by too many fans.



and as others have pointed out, Osi was not back vs the Jets, when Tuck finally came around again.

daynemustgo
01-03-2012, 03:21 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

Why? Did you see the job he did in St Louis? We can do better than him.

dave56dj
01-03-2012, 03:27 PM
The old we have a lot of talent on D argument. Lets take a look at ALL OUR TALENT.

Tuck - Coming into the year our best all around defender has been hurt almost all year.

OSI - our pass rushing specialist out more then half the year.

Goff - our starting MLB out the year.

Kiwi - A nice DE forced to play LB

Boley - Missed only 3 games.

TT - perhaps our best all around corner - at least second to webby out the year.

NOT TO MENTION EVERY POTENTIAL NICKEL OUT THE YEAR.

Rolle - a good safety is being forced to play nickel.

Grant a vet rotational saftey is forced into an every down safety.

Blackburn is out starting mlb after being on a couch all year.

LETS GO EASY ON WE HAVE A LOT OF TALENT. We have a great pass rush when healthy - Below avg linebacking core - razor thin secondary.

Im not giving fewell a complete pass - but my god this is the second most injured team in the last 20 years.

BParcells777
01-03-2012, 03:27 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

I had that thought too but the Mara's still have the 1st Pennie they ever earned and it pinched in the middle

buddy33
01-03-2012, 03:49 PM
I don't get how this team could be over the cap to start the season yet be called cheap.

TrueBlue10
01-03-2012, 03:50 PM
I thought Spags was already signing on with Filthadelphia?

Did that never come to fruition? I would love to get him back as our DC.

JMGGIANTS
01-03-2012, 03:52 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.
First, I don't understand the assumption that Spags can't wait to get back to the Giants. I hope that is the case but don't think for one second if we make an offer he is in like Flynn. As far as him being the G-Men's next HC I wasn't very impressed with what he did in 3 years with Rams. Based on this I don't think he is in line for Giants next HC.

dave56dj
01-03-2012, 04:11 PM
No true it was a rumor as was him back to the giants reported by sal palontonio.

Nothing has happened as of yet. And although many giant fans love to kill our coordinators odds are they aren't going anywhere. If there are questions why on fewell see my above post and on gilbride - TOP 5 OFFENSE, and top 10 almost every year here. But some fans can call a draw when we are in shotgun so they'd like to see him go - all the points we score be damned.

Check out the derek martin post too - loyalty means more then what have you done for me one second ago IMO.

JimC
01-03-2012, 04:16 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

I had that thought too but the Mara's still have the 1st Pennie they ever earned and it pinched in the middle



Ridiculous statement

GMENAGAIN
01-03-2012, 04:21 PM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

I had that thought too but the Mara's still have the 1st Pennie they ever earned and it pinched in the middle



Ridiculous statement
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dave56dj
01-03-2012, 04:48 PM
You mean JAKKKKKKK.

redbeardxxv
01-03-2012, 05:21 PM
Assistant HC in charge of Defense, Let him learn under Spags, so that when Spags becomes HC, he has a capable man in place....

elifan10
01-03-2012, 06:09 PM
Assistant HC in charge of Defense, Let him learn under Spags, so that when Spags becomes HC, he has a capable man in place....</P>


Lets bring back Spags and get rid of fewell altogther. I cant believe people will forget about this horrific season on defense.</P>

redbeardxxv
01-03-2012, 06:44 PM
Assistant HC in charge of Defense, Let him learn under Spags, so that when Spags becomes HC, he has a capable man in place....</P>


Lets bring back Spags and get rid of fewell altogther. I cant believe people will forget about this horrific season on defense.</P>

I agree that Fewell needs to go, but the FO will give him a pass based on injures and the fact that we made the post season. Putting Spags in as AHC in charge of Defense allows him to train PF with an eye toward continuity when TC retires. AHC becomes HC, and DC stays the same, with no adjustment period.

For those saying Spags is not a good HC, Keep in mind, this was his first shot, and he took over a team with ZERO talent** or discipline. In his second year, he barely missed the playoffs. In the third, injuries played a huge factor, but the team played EVERY game with heart.

**Except at RB

Gianthunter
01-03-2012, 07:03 PM
Ya short-bus people understand the Giants are still playing? Whats that mean whaAoosssssssss. Ya can't look for a COACH.

elifan10
01-03-2012, 07:44 PM
Assistant HC in charge of Defense, Let him learn under Spags, so that when Spags becomes HC, he has a capable man in place....</P>


Lets bring back Spags and get rid of fewell altogther. I cant believe people will forget about this horrific season on defense.</P>


I agree that Fewell needs to go, but the FO will give him a pass based on injures and the fact that we made the post season. Putting Spags in as AHC in charge of Defense allows him to train PF with an eye toward continuity when TC retires. AHC becomes HC, and DC stays the same, with no adjustment period. For those saying Spags is not a good HC, Keep in mind, this was his first shot, and he took over a team with ZERO talent** or discipline. In his second year, he barely missed the playoffs. In the third, injuries played a huge factor, but the team played EVERY game with heart. **Except at RB</P>


I agree man. Spagnuolo always has his team playing with heart, something the Giants lack a lot.</P>

sc_markt
01-03-2012, 11:35 PM
Why would they want him as a head coach? He just got fired.

Similar to Bill Bilicheck when he got fired from Cleveland (or some team) before he went to NE.

sc_markt
01-03-2012, 11:36 PM
If we don't get Spags, I hope he doesn't go to any of the other NFC East teams.

gumby742
01-03-2012, 11:37 PM
Few ell needs to go.

nhpgiantsfan
01-03-2012, 11:48 PM
What exactly would his role be as assistant head coach? I don't get it. Is he supposed to be Fewell's babysitter. That is def not the right way to go about things. Either you show confidence in Fewell and let him run his defense or you get rid of him and bring Spags in and let him run his own defense. there is no in between. This is not a realistic idea.

Redeyejedi
01-04-2012, 12:07 AM
The Rams where dealing with a lot of injuries in their secondary this year and so are the Giants. PF also lost Goff for the year and basically Tuck was a non factor until just a couple of weeks ago. Osi has also missed a lot of time.

Does anyone think that this defense would have been so much better with TT, Goff, and Tuck being healthy all year?I posted something from Football Outsiders yesterday that said the NY Giants suffered the 3rd most injuries to a defense in the last decade.The 2 that had more the 0-16 Lions and the 2008 Bills that went 6-10

Out of Exile
01-04-2012, 06:37 AM
The Fewell haters refuse to acknowledge the idea that maybe the defense he was running was not the scheme he wanted to run, but the one he felt he needed to due to injuries/lack of experience for the unit.* He was always a "bend but don't break" defense, and that worked last.* Part of the "bend but don't break" philosophy is that you feel eventually the offense will turn the ball over, and when we had our play makers/guys healthy, we lead the league in take aways.

I'm not saying I liked Fewell's scheme for most of the season, I didn't.* But I also don't think he was running the scheme he wanted to either, and that is usually overlooked by too many fans.



and as others have pointed out, Osi was not back vs the Jets, when Tuck finally came around again.


People are forgetting that this D run by Perry Fewell was 7th last year overall, and led the league if I am correct in interceptions/takeaways.

JesseJames
01-05-2012, 11:31 AM
The Fewell haters refuse to acknowledge the idea that maybe the defense he was running was not the scheme he wanted to run, but the one he felt he needed to due to injuries/lack of experience for the unit.* He was always a "bend but don't break" defense, and that worked last.* Part of the "bend but don't break" philosophy is that you feel eventually the offense will turn the ball over, and when we had our play makers/guys healthy, we lead the league in take aways.

I'm not saying I liked Fewell's scheme for most of the season, I didn't.* But I also don't think he was running the scheme he wanted to either, and that is usually overlooked by too many fans.



and as others have pointed out, Osi was not back vs the Jets, when Tuck finally came around again.
Fewell ran the scheme he said he was going to run when he got here and he also said that fans most likely wouldn't like it...how right he was..

Firenugget
01-05-2012, 11:44 AM
This way we keep Fewell. No one gets hurt and Spags is groomed to take over for TC when he retires.

wth? You've all gone freakin nuts.

JesseJames
01-05-2012, 05:41 PM
I'm beginning to get the same feeling about wishing to get Spags back as I do when I read posts about people wanting Reese to bring in some good LBers, probably not gonna happen...