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Providence
01-03-2012, 01:25 PM
Cue the "score more points than them" response....

I don't know much about Atlanta. As far as I recall we played them two years ago and squeezed out a win thanks to Lawrence Tynes.

The general conversation seems to suggest that our main focus needs to be stopping Michael Turner. Also, Julio Jones and Roddy White sound like they could cause a lot of headaches for us.

Of course, it also sounds like the offensive line of ATL struggles with pass protection. This is good news for us because, as we all know, our front four are really starting to get into a groove.

On the flip side of the ball I know little about ATL's D. Eli is playing the best he's ever played and the Giants for the first time in my life have two WR's that demand serious attention. Additionally, Jacobs and Bradshaw seem like they are starting to get things going a little (not nearly as much as they should be getting things going though).

I don't know what the weather report is for Sunday, not sure it'll matter given the strength of Atlanta's run game.

repeatchamps
01-03-2012, 01:30 PM
Cue the "score more points than them" response.... I don't know much about Atlanta. As far as I recall we played them two years ago and squeezed out a win thanks to Lawrence Tynes. The general conversation seems to suggest that our main focus needs to be stopping Michael Turner. Also, Julio Jones and Roddy White sound like they could cause a lot of headaches for us. Of course, it also sounds like the offensive line of ATL struggles with pass protection. This is good news for us because, as we all know, our front four are really starting to get into a groove. On the flip side of the ball I know little about ATL's D. Eli is playing the best he's ever played and the Giants for the first time in my life have two WR's that demand serious attention. Additionally, Jacobs and Bradshaw seem like they are starting to get things going a little (not nearly as much as they should be getting things going though). I don't know what the weather report is for Sunday, not sure it'll matter given the strength of Atlanta's run game.</P>


Low-mid 40's no precipitation expected. The Giants must slow Turner down and get after Ryan. I actually read that Atlanta is actually pretty good at protecting Ryan. They have only allowed 26 sacks this year which is atop 10 fewest stat. Atlanta also runs the no huddle so that will be a big challenge to deal with as well. I like the Giants offense against their defense. I think the Giantshave their biggest advantage there.</P>

buddy33
01-03-2012, 01:33 PM
I'd go with hitting the QB all day and scoring lots of points.

Seriously, that would be my game plan.

They are a very talented team. With the DL playing better hopefully they stuff the run well and make the QB rush his throws causing a mistake. Get him on the ground. Sack him. Make him nervous in the pocket. I guess that's the game plan every week.

Also, I want the offense to make sure they score especially when the defense does make a stop or turn over. I think they have actually not been very good with that.

Providence
01-03-2012, 02:44 PM
Cue the "score more points than them" response.... I don't know much about Atlanta. As far as I recall we played them two years ago and squeezed out a win thanks to Lawrence Tynes. The general conversation seems to suggest that our main focus needs to be stopping Michael Turner. Also, Julio Jones and Roddy White sound like they could cause a lot of headaches for us. Of course, it also sounds like the offensive line of ATL struggles with pass protection. This is good news for us because, as we all know, our front four are really starting to get into a groove. On the flip side of the ball I know little about ATL's D. Eli is playing the best he's ever played and the Giants for the first time in my life have two WR's that demand serious attention. Additionally, Jacobs and Bradshaw seem like they are starting to get things going a little (not nearly as much as they should be getting things going though). I don't know what the weather report is for Sunday, not sure it'll matter given the strength of Atlanta's run game.</P>


Low-mid 40's no precipitation expected. The Giants must slow Turner down and get after Ryan. I actually read that Atlanta is actually pretty good at protecting Ryan. They have only allowed 26 sacks this year which is a*top 10 fewest stat. Atlanta also runs the no huddle so that will be a big challenge to deal with as well. I like the Giants offense against their defense. I think the Giants*have their biggest advantage there.</P>

If they have only allowed 26 sacks that is damn good. I either must have read that their pass protection was lousy or the person who wrote it/said it had their stats wrong. I guess we'll find out how good they are come Sunday.

I'd love to see one of Osi's trademark, strip/sack/recovery's in this game. It'd be huge!

Kase-1
01-03-2012, 02:50 PM
I think the key is how we cover Julio Jones. I think Webster can handle Roddy White with alot of press coverage, Kiwi/Boley/JQ have been doing good handling some of the leagues best TE's (in the past few weeks) and we tend to do better stopping power backs that arent receiving threats outta the backfield.

Im just worried about Ross on Jones, that scares the crap outta me

BigBlue1971
01-03-2012, 03:06 PM
if we can limit their rushing attack to say 70 yards or less, it gives us a much better chance. </P>


i just believe in the cliche that "defense wins championships".</P>


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Kruunch
01-03-2012, 03:11 PM
Cue the "score more points than them" response....

I don't know much about Atlanta. As far as I recall we played them two years ago and squeezed out a win thanks to Lawrence Tynes.

The general conversation seems to suggest that our main focus needs to be stopping Michael Turner. Also, Julio Jones and Roddy White sound like they could cause a lot of headaches for us.

Of course, it also sounds like the offensive line of ATL struggles with pass protection. This is good news for us because, as we all know, our front four are really starting to get into a groove.

On the flip side of the ball I know little about ATL's D. Eli is playing the best he's ever played and the Giants for the first time in my life have two WR's that demand serious attention. Additionally, Jacobs and Bradshaw seem like they are starting to get things going a little (not nearly as much as they should be getting things going though).

I don't know what the weather report is for Sunday, not sure it'll matter given the strength of Atlanta's run game.

Atlanta has a fast offense which doesn't bode well for us.

Ryan holds on to the ball a tad too long in obvious passing situations, which does bode well for us.

Roddy White is going to be their main possession guy while Julio Jones will be their deep threat. Julio Jones is not consistant ... he has big play potential but often muffs the big play (think Manningham year 2). The bad news is that Julio Jones has been stellar of late.

Gonzalez is consistant but aging.

Unfortunately there is no one solid way of stopping Atlanta. Play back in zone and they beat you on the ground ... play with 7-8 in the box and they beat you through the air. They are probably the most balanced offense after the Saints in the NFL this year and they've been much better in the second half of this season as well.

The good news ... their defense is fairly mediocre (18th in ppg) and they play much better at home then on the road (4 of their 6 losses were on the road this year).

On the road (and when outdoors specifically) they run the ball A LOT more then when playing indoors which means we'll probably want to stuff the box a little more and crowd the middle with our standard zone defense (which plays well against the no-huddle).

Their defense is more suseptible to the pass then the run (20th ranked vs. 6th ranked) and they don't have a double digit sack guy this year (one of their big knocks ... lack of pressure on opposing QBs). That bodes really well for us and KGs preferred method of offense.

TrueBlue07
01-03-2012, 03:14 PM
rush the passer, don't turn the ball over. For us, it's really simple. We will go as far as our pass rush allows us to go.

C1010
01-03-2012, 03:17 PM
-Limit Michael Turner
-Contain John Abraham
-Cover their receivers and TE well.
-Force turnovers and never give up the ball.
-Must keep Pressure on Ryan constantly

spork3127
01-03-2012, 03:32 PM
Howdy all,

First, let me say that I'm a Falcon's fan. Not here to run my mouth or talk smack, but just good old civilized football talk for a little while.

The teams that have beaten us have more or less made it tough for Turner to get going in which he was held to 56 yards or less in 4 of the 6 games that we lost. The exceptions being our opening day loss to Chicago where he ran for 100 yards on 10 carries and our first loss to New Orleans where he ran for 96 on 22 carries.

I also think that Ryan can be rattled with enough pressure. Hopefully our O-Line can pick up the blitzes and pressure. He can manage an offense from the line of scrimmage with the likes of the elder Manning if given the reins, but I still think he's been held back at times. He's got the weapons, but sometimes the play calling from our OC just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Between Roddy, Julio, and Gonzalez, we've got plenty of options that can make big plays. All three have shown that they can go up against the leagues best and make plays. Roddy and Gonzalez are studs at WR and TE. Julio had a monster 2nd half and is, in my opinion anyway, the wild card. He could be the key to our offense putting up points. That's not to take anything away from you guys. Manning has emerged as a helluva QB and Cruz and Nicks are just as lethal as Roddy and Julio.

I hope to see us in and out of the no huddle all game long, but if you guys can take away Turner and get enough pressure on Ryan, it could be a long day for my birds. No matter how you look at it, we're a power running team to set up the pass and play action. Take away the first part and our OC, Mike Mularky, has shown that he gets pass happy with the play calling (47+ passing attempts in 5 of the 6 losses).

Here's to what I hope is a good game as well as an injury free one!

rebelfan1966
01-03-2012, 03:45 PM
I think if we score more points than they do.... we will win. : )

Ruttiger711
01-03-2012, 03:47 PM
if we can limit their rushing attack to say 70 yards or less, it gives us a much better chance. </P>


i just believe in the cliche that "defense wins championships".</P>


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Saw an interesting quote from Warren Sapp this weekend. "Defense does NOT win championships... Defense gives you a chance"

The way our defense has been playing as of late, we can limit Turner and pressure Ryan.....a great chance.

jhamburg
01-03-2012, 03:48 PM
Howdy all,

First, let me say that I'm a Falcon's fan.* Not here to run my mouth or talk smack, but just good old civilized football talk for a little while.

The teams that have beaten us have more or less made it tough for Turner to get going in which he was held to 56 yards or less in 4 of the 6 games that we lost.* The exceptions being our opening day loss to Chicago where he ran for 100 yards on 10 carries and our first loss to New Orleans where he ran for 96 on 22 carries.

I also think that Ryan can be rattled with enough pressure.* Hopefully our O-Line can pick up the blitzes and pressure.* He can manage an offense from the line of scrimmage with the likes of the elder Manning if given the reins, but I still think he's been held back at times.* He's got the weapons, but sometimes the play calling from our OC just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Between Roddy, Julio, and Gonzalez, we've got plenty of options that can make big plays.* All three have shown that they can go up against the leagues best and make plays.* Roddy and Gonzalez are studs at WR and TE.* Julio had a monster 2nd half and is, in my opinion anyway, the wild card.* He could be the key to our offense putting up points.* That's not to take anything away from you guys.* Manning has emerged as a helluva QB and Cruz and Nicks are just as lethal as Roddy and Julio.

I hope to see us in and out of the no huddle all game long, but if you guys can take away Turner and get enough pressure on Ryan, it could be a long day for my birds.* No matter how you look at it, we're a power running team to set up the pass and play action.* Take away the first part and our OC, Mike Mularky, has shown that he gets pass happy with the play calling (47+ passing attempts in 5 of the 6 losses).

Here's to what I hope is a good game as well as an injury free one!


Welcome to the boards. I like when we play big games against teams from the south because we always get friendly fans on here who call us "y'all" or say "howdy". It's a nice change of pace.

To your points though, I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic. Our run defense is getting hot (3.4 YPC over last 3 games) as is our pass rush. Our overall pass D is always going to be a vulnerability though.

AllDayEli10
01-03-2012, 04:00 PM
Control the clock, Actually see AB & BJ combine rushing over 125 would be lovely. Another thing is to NOT turnover the ball. I hope its freezing out there and ATL cant handle it!!

Providence
01-03-2012, 04:11 PM
Howdy all,

First, let me say that I'm a Falcon's fan.* Not here to run my mouth or talk smack, but just good old civilized football talk for a little while.

The teams that have beaten us have more or less made it tough for Turner to get going in which he was held to 56 yards or less in 4 of the 6 games that we lost.* The exceptions being our opening day loss to Chicago where he ran for 100 yards on 10 carries and our first loss to New Orleans where he ran for 96 on 22 carries.

I also think that Ryan can be rattled with enough pressure.* Hopefully our O-Line can pick up the blitzes and pressure.* He can manage an offense from the line of scrimmage with the likes of the elder Manning if given the reins, but I still think he's been held back at times.* He's got the weapons, but sometimes the play calling from our OC just doesn't make a lot of sense.

Between Roddy, Julio, and Gonzalez, we've got plenty of options that can make big plays.* All three have shown that they can go up against the leagues best and make plays.* Roddy and Gonzalez are studs at WR and TE.* Julio had a monster 2nd half and is, in my opinion anyway, the wild card.* He could be the key to our offense putting up points.* That's not to take anything away from you guys.* Manning has emerged as a helluva QB and Cruz and Nicks are just as lethal as Roddy and Julio.

I hope to see us in and out of the no huddle all game long, but if you guys can take away Turner and get enough pressure on Ryan, it could be a long day for my birds.* No matter how you look at it, we're a power running team to set up the pass and play action.* Take away the first part and our OC, Mike Mularky, has shown that he gets pass happy with the play calling (47+ passing attempts in 5 of the 6 losses).

Here's to what I hope is a good game as well as an injury free one!


Thanks for the insight. Julio, White and Gonzo scare the crap out of me. Seeing what Gronkowski of NE and Graham of NO did to us I think we need to be quite scared of Gonzon in particular. And on top of all this you guys have Turner. The one nice thing about him is that he doesn't seem to catch a lot of balls out of the backfield. That's good because the Giants haven't been good at stopping the screen in 25 years.

Sounds to me like this game is going to be high scoring. Barring any nasty weather I'd say bet the over in this one because it seems like Eli is going to have to put up more points than Ryan. I hate games like that. Hopefully it's more balanced.

Should be an interesting one!

oldgiantfan
01-03-2012, 04:30 PM
Do what New Orleans did?

Bigbluereckingcrew
01-03-2012, 04:44 PM
Hit Ryan, hit ryan hit ryan!!!!!!!
on passing downs, running downs, 4th downs....sacks r great but hits r good as well...get ryan to start looking at the d-line & not down field

BParcells777
01-03-2012, 08:19 PM
I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'd say

Show Up????

blueomaha
01-03-2012, 08:38 PM
ATL is 6-2 at home, 4-4 on the road...weather may play a part in this game...dome teams play well at home...i like our team right now, healthy and hot...T.Gonzo might be a concern....

NOVAFalcon
01-04-2012, 12:31 AM
If you can do what Green Bay and New Orleans have done to us and exploit the secondary so that we can't get off the field on 3rd down, it could be a long day for us. We can wind up with some confusion back there sometimes. Victor Cruz especially scares me if we aren't on point.

BJacobs aka The Problem
01-04-2012, 11:02 AM
If it's any relevance, Cole from Phi absolutely abused their LT during the game. ATL squeezed the win out at the end, but that LT got abused. They had no answer for it and completely left the guy out there on an island with no help from the TE or backfield chipping.

That could play to our favor on passing plays because I'd definitely put JPP in the same category as Cole being pretty good to elite pass rushers.

I would also say that we may see a healthy dose of no huddle from ATL. If they watched the Dallas game they'll see the only time Dallas was anywhere near effective on offense was when they switched to the no huddle and used short to intermediate middle of the field patterns. But then again, being up 21-0 it could be said that Fewell was leaving the underneath stuff in the middle open to prevent the big play and keep the clock running.

NYG4Life10
01-04-2012, 11:12 AM
Stop the Run!

fergy57
01-04-2012, 11:51 AM
If it's any relevance, Cole from Phi absolutely abused their LT during the game. ATL squeezed the win out at the end, but that LT got abused. They had no answer for it and completely left the guy out there on an island with no help from the TE or backfield chipping.

That could play to our favor on passing plays because I'd definitely put JPP in the same category as Cole being pretty good to elite pass rushers.

I would also say that we may see a healthy dose of no huddle from ATL. If they watched the Dallas game they'll see the only time Dallas was anywhere near effective on offense was when they switched to the no huddle and used short to intermediate middle of the field patterns. But then again, being up 21-0 it could be said that Fewell was leaving the underneath stuff in the middle open to prevent the big play and keep the clock running.

Hi- Falcons fan here, from Canada (shocking I know).

While Cole from Philly did have a field day that game, we have since put a new LT into place- Will Svitek. We have also juggled a few other players on the line, and our O-Line is really firing on all cylinders right now.

It was mentioned in another thread I was browsing on this board, but our O-line only gave up 26 total sacks this year. Of those 26, 13 of those sacks were given up in the first 3 games (including 4 from the Eagles).

I am not trying to discount the Giants pass rush here- its probably the thing that scares me most next to Eli, but they are not going to have it easy against our O-Line.

That being said, the key to beating us is limiting Turners carries (when he gets over 25, we have only lost 2 or 3 times), which in turn will limit our no huddle offense.

No huddle is where we do most of our damage. Matt Ryan is the one calling the plays, and its pretty close to 50/50 run/pass out of the no-huddle, so it makes it a nightmare for opposing D's to line up properly.

From an offensive perspective on your end, the key to beating us is converting 3rd downs and keeping your offense on the field. We are not a very good 3rd down defense.

But do not expect much in terms of running the ball against us. Our run d is our real strength on defense. The thing we are susceptible to is screen passes and quick dumps to 'scat backs.'

Big, lumbering backs will have a hard day on the inside against us. Running the ball off-tackle or to the outside may work if the RB is quick- real quick. Our LB core is very strong and quick to attack the ball. Lofton and Weatherspoon are going to be a special duo for years to come, and while we have had some injuries to our SLB tandem (Nicholas is normally the starter, Peterson is an all position backup), we still have the talent there to not miss a beat.

Looking forward to this game, its going to be a great one I think. I can stand losing- as long as its not in the fashion we lost to Green Bay in last years playoffs (that being said- I don't want to lose!).