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DragonSoul
01-09-2012, 09:15 AM
Great job by TC - But thats not my crow.

Crow for this-
Been on KG most of the year, and I did feel this week it was a very good game plan call, but not perfect all game. It was a bit static early, but a bit of it was due to the horrible offensive line play.

Fewell - Been knocking him a bit, even towards the end of the season. Hats off to a great game. The jury is still out, but its starting to look good/better.

I have to say that I was on him because of the talent we had, and we were not producing.

Remember we always had 1-2 healthy defensive ends in JPP and Kiwi, with Osi and Tuck switching out at times.

Our secondary has Web who is a very good/great DB. Ross is a decent to solid 2nd DB, and then we have KP a first rounder and Rolle another first rounder. Yet they played bad. I felt he should of had more confidence in his guys up front, and let the lbs grow during the season, instead of trying to cover for them, and then have the still get burned, and have the 2ndry get burned as well.

I also felt our LBS were ok at best. Kiwi really picked it up, and I understand he needed time to adjust once again. But Boley was our best LB, and I do understand it hurt us when he was lost and pointed it out.

I just felt with the talent we had in most spots, we really shouldn't have struggled as much as we did. Or maybe the players were just half assing it?

G-Man67
01-09-2012, 09:35 AM
well Tuck has pretty much admitted that he was mentally and physically out of it for part of the season and when your leader on D is basically going thru the motions, well it is going to have a bad affect on the entire unit



as far as the O, they weren't getting it done run blocking ... i would say it was chemistry and I would also give a big thank you to Kevin Boothe, not just for stepping in when Beatty got hurt, but for upgrading our play at LG (Diehl wasn't getting it done there) and to Diehl's credit ... he upgraded our play at LT

gumby742
01-09-2012, 11:32 AM
Sorry, but a handful of games doesn't make up for consistent ineptitude. </P>


Fewell is still horrible. He definitely needs to go. TC while still a good coach, his better days are behind him. I'm not saying we fire TC, but I have no issues with us replacing him with another qualified coach. KG is not optimal.</P>


But first things first. Fewell needs to go.</P>

GMENAGAIN
01-09-2012, 11:55 AM
Sorry, but a handful of games doesn't make up for consistent ineptitude. </P>


Fewell is still horrible. He definitely needs to go. TC while still a good coach, his better days are behind him. I'm not saying we fire TC, but I have no issues with us replacing him with another qualified coach. KG is not optimal.</P>


But first things first. Fewell needs to go.</P>


</P>


OK, I'll bite . . . . Well what coach do you want to replace TC with?</P>


Also, this seems like a very strange time for a "Fewellneeds togo" post . . . . . </P>

CDN_G-FAN
01-09-2012, 11:55 AM
was it a couple weeks ago that someone calling the game (aikman i think) mentioned that the giants have had 5 different guys wearing the radio helmut on defense.</P>


Fewell has had his issues, but the strength of this team hasn't been healthy (d line) and the rest has been kinda cobbled together (Kiwi at LBer, blackburn signed off the street, prince is the nickle with only the last few weeks to get accustomed to the NFL, not even a training camp).</P>


As usual, i think fans underestimate what this coaching staff has done.</P>


and a 2nd as usual, someone of TC's tenure and accomplishment means if you want to fire one of his coordinators, you need to fire him. he's earned the right to pick who he wants to work with.</P>

gumby742
01-09-2012, 12:30 PM
Sorry, but a handful of games doesn't make up for consistent ineptitude. </P>


Fewell is still horrible. He definitely needs to go. TC while still a good coach, his better days are behind him. I'm not saying we fire TC, but I have no issues with us replacing him with another qualified coach. KG is not optimal.</P>


But first things first. Fewell needs to go.</P>


</P>


OK, I'll bite . . . . Well what coach do you want to replace TC with?</P>


Also, this seems like a very strange time for a "Fewellneeds togo" post . . . . . </P>


</P>


No idea. But I'm not against replacing him with a proven name. Pat Riley said it best a while back. Something along the lines of "You can be a great coach and lead your team to success, but at some point you have to realize you're only holding your team back from further greatness because they start to tune you out after a while."</P>


It is what it is. I'm not going to purposely go out and be a buzzkill, but I'm also not going to waver from my stance because I'm on a playoff high. What i look for is consistency. Fewell still needs to go. Every defense has injuries, but with our talent level, being almost the worst defense in the league is inexcusable.</P>

gumby742
01-09-2012, 12:30 PM
was it a couple weeks ago that someone calling the game (aikman i think) mentioned that the giants have had 5 different guys wearing the radio helmut on defense.</P>


Fewell has had his issues, but the strength of this team hasn't been healthy (d line) and the rest has been kinda cobbled together (Kiwi at LBer, blackburn signed off the street, prince is the nickle with only the last few weeks to get accustomed to the NFL, not even a training camp).</P>


As usual, i think fans underestimate what this coaching staff has done.</P>


and a 2nd as usual, someone of TC's tenure and accomplishment means if you want to fire one of his coordinators, you need to fire him. he's earned the right to pick who he wants to work with.</P>


</P>


I'm curious CDN, do you still think ill of Jerry Reese?</P>

GameTime
01-09-2012, 12:44 PM
the Lions havent won a playoff game since 1957....</P>


most youarmchair QBs, DCs, OCs, and HCs werent even born or werent fans yet...</P>


The Lions have won four NFL Championships (/wiki/List_of_NFL_champions), the last in 1957, giving the club the second-longest NFL championship drought behind the Arizona Cardinals (/wiki/Arizona_Cardinals). The Lions are one of four current NFL teams that have yet to qualify for the Super Bowl (/wiki/Super_Bowl). The 2008 team (/wiki/2008_Detroit_Lions_season) became the only team in NFL history to lose all 16 regular season games since the NFL went to a 16-game schedule in 1978.</P>


just sayin'.....</P>


no prob with any body having their own opinions at all but lets keep things in perspective. The Giants org is one the tops in the league and as fans we are lucky that we only have to go back to 2007 for out last SB win or playoffs wins since yetserday...</P>


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giantsforce
01-09-2012, 12:46 PM
Sorry, but a handful of games doesn't make up for consistent ineptitude.* </P>


Fewell is still horrible.* He definitely needs to go.* TC while still a good coach, his better days are behind him.* I'm not saying we fire TC, but I have no issues with us replacing him with another qualified coach.* KG is not optimal.</P>


But first things first.* Fewell needs to go.</P>


</P>


OK, I'll bite . . . . Well what coach do you want to replace TC with?</P>


Also, this seems like a very strange time for a "Fewell*needs to*go" post . . . . . </P>


</P>


No idea.* But I'm not against replacing him with a proven name. Pat Riley said it best a while back.* Something along the lines of "You can be a great coach and lead your team to success, but at some point you have to realize you're only holding your team back from further greatness because they start to tune you out after a while."</P>


It is what it is.* I'm not going to purposely go out and be a buzzkill, but I'm also not going to waver from my stance because I'm on a playoff high.* What i look for is consistency.* Fewell still needs to go.* Every defense has injuries, but with our talent level, being almost the worst defense in the league is inexcusable.</P>The only consistency you get with Coughlin is the inconsistency this team has shown under him. A true Jekyll and Hyde team. The disturbing fact is that this team has a lot of talent at both sides of the ball and it needs maybe a few key players to complete the puzzle. If we had 2 speedy LB's and 2 good Olinemen, this team would have been unbeatable. However, you also need to have a system at place to take advantage of this talent. If you look at GB, they have system in place that allows Rodgers to be who he is. The Giants under Coughlin and Killdrive have no system whatsoever. They are very predictable and they do not have a variety of plays. If you just count the offensive plays, they are about 5 or 6 that they call at certain situations without fail. Why do you think we have trouble scoring from inside the 20 or 10 yard line? No misdirection, no play action, no imagination. Having the last defense in the NFL speaks volumes as to whether Fewell stays of goes. No matter how bad the Giants were in the past, the 2 things you can counted to be consistently there were the running game and a good defense that was never last in the NFL.

stormblue
01-09-2012, 12:55 PM
Sorry, but a handful of games doesn't make up for consistent ineptitude.* </P>


Fewell is still horrible.* He definitely needs to go.* TC while still a good coach, his better days are behind him.* I'm not saying we fire TC, but I have no issues with us replacing him with another qualified coach.* KG is not optimal.</P>


But first things first.* Fewell needs to go.</P>


</P>


OK, I'll bite . . . . Well what coach do you want to replace TC with?</P>


Also, this seems like a very strange time for a "Fewell*needs to*go" post . . . . . </P>


</P>


No idea.* But I'm not against replacing him with a proven name. Pat Riley said it best a while back.* Something along the lines of "You can be a great coach and lead your team to success, but at some point you have to realize you're only holding your team back from further greatness because they start to tune you out after a while."</P>


It is what it is.* I'm not going to purposely go out and be a buzzkill, but I'm also not going to waver from my stance because I'm on a playoff high.* What i look for is consistency.* Fewell still needs to go.* Every defense has injuries, but with our talent level, being almost the worst defense in the league is inexcusable.</P>The only consistency you get with Coughlin is the inconsistency this team has shown under him. A true Jekyll and Hyde team. The disturbing fact is that this team has a lot of talent at both sides of the ball and it needs maybe a few key players to complete the puzzle. If we had 2 speedy LB's and 2 good Olinemen, this team would have been unbeatable. However, you also need to have a system at place to take advantage of this talent. If you look at GB, they have system in place that allows Rodgers to be who he is. The Giants under Coughlin and Killdrive have no system whatsoever. They are very predictable and they do not have a variety of plays. If you just count the offensive plays, they are about 5 or 6 that they call at certain situations without fail. Why do you think we have trouble scoring from inside the 20 or 10 yard line? No misdirection, no play action, no imagination. Having the last defense in the NFL speaks volumes as to whether Fewell stays of goes. No matter how bad the Giants were in the past, the 2 things you can counted to be consistently there were the running game and a good defense that was never last in the NFL.

at last , a realist.

GameTime
01-09-2012, 12:58 PM
Sorry, but a handful of games doesn't make up for consistent ineptitude. </P>


Fewell is still horrible. He definitely needs to go. TC while still a good coach, his better days are behind him. I'm not saying we fire TC, but I have no issues with us replacing him with another qualified coach. KG is not optimal.</P>


But first things first. Fewell needs to go.</P>


</P>


OK, I'll bite . . . . Well what coach do you want to replace TC with?</P>


Also, this seems like a very strange time for a "Fewellneeds togo" post . . . . . </P>


</P>


No idea. But I'm not against replacing him with a proven name. Pat Riley said it best a while back. Something along the lines of "You can be a great coach and lead your team to success, but at some point you have to realize you're only holding your team back from further greatness because they start to tune you out after a while."</P>


It is what it is. I'm not going to purposely go out and be a buzzkill, but I'm also not going to waver from my stance because I'm on a playoff high. What i look for is consistency. Fewell still needs to go. Every defense has injuries, but with our talent level, being almost the worst defense in the league is inexcusable.</P>


The only consistency you get with Coughlin is the inconsistency this team has shown under him. A true Jekyll and Hyde team. The disturbing fact is that this team has a lot of talent at both sides of the ball and it needs maybe a few key players to complete the puzzle. If we had 2 speedy LB's and 2 good Olinemen, this team would have been unbeatable. However, you also need to have a system at place to take advantage of this talent. If you look at GB, they have system in place that allows Rodgers to be who he is. The Giants under Coughlin and Killdrive have no system whatsoever. They are very predictable and they do not have a variety of plays. If you just count the offensive plays, they are about 5 or 6 that they call at certain situations without fail. Why do you think we have trouble scoring from inside the 20 or 10 yard line? No misdirection, no play action, no imagination. Having the last defense in the NFL speaks volumes as to whether Fewell stays of goes. No matter how bad the Giants were in the past, the 2 things you can counted to be consistently there were the running game and a good defense that was never last in the NFL. at last , a realist.</P>


only because you agree with him.....</P>

G-Man67
01-09-2012, 01:03 PM
well obviously, at this point, no coaches are being changed unless they go for another job



i'll make the point again that the most successfull franchises are those that have continuity from year to year, so instead of looking under every rock for some reason to change coaches, we should be trying even harder to find reasons to keep the ones we have and maintain that continuity



as far as Pat Riley's quote and I do respect the guy ... I find his position is more applicable to the NBA and NHL ... not saying it can't and doesn't happen in the NFL (i.e. Coughlin at Jacksonville, but still I blame their GM more), but I think in the NFL the coaches just need a few key players that are leaders on the team buying in

Providence
01-09-2012, 01:08 PM
Sorry, but a handful of games doesn't make up for consistent ineptitude.* </P>


Fewell is still horrible.* He definitely needs to go.* TC while still a good coach, his better days are behind him.* I'm not saying we fire TC, but I have no issues with us replacing him with another qualified coach.* KG is not optimal.</P>


But first things first.* Fewell needs to go.</P>

I would think consistent ineptitude would lead to a losing season.

gumby742
01-09-2012, 01:16 PM
Sorry, but a handful of games doesn't make up for consistent ineptitude. </P>


Fewell is still horrible. He definitely needs to go. TC while still a good coach, his better days are behind him. I'm not saying we fire TC, but I have no issues with us replacing him with another qualified coach. KG is not optimal.</P>


But first things first. Fewell needs to go.</P>


I would think consistent ineptitude would lead to a losing season.</P>


Lol. Ok. Ineptitude is overstating it. But we have a really good team. And, I think we can be much, much better. 2008 better. And not have a rollercoaster year in and year out where we're left wondering what kind of team we have. Ever since Coughlin took over, that has happened ever year. The offense and the defense rarely show up in the same game. The second half collapses. etc. Great teams are consistent. And yes. I think we can be great and be up there with the Steelers, Patriots, etc.</P>

gumby742
01-09-2012, 01:34 PM
well obviously, at this point, no coaches are being changed unless they go for another job


i'll make the point again that the most successfull franchises are those that have continuity from year to year, so instead of looking under every rock for some reason to change coaches, we should be trying even harder to find reasons to keep the ones we have and maintain that continuity


as far as Pat Riley's quote and I do respect the guy ... I find his position is more applicable to the NBA and NHL ... not saying it can't and doesn't happen in the NFL (i.e. Coughlin at Jacksonville, but still I blame their GM more), but I think in the NFL the coaches just need a few key players that are leaders on the team buying in


Can't say i know anything about the NBA or NHL, but I do know that the talent on this team is among the best in the league. Especially on defense. I dare you (not you personally) to compare our collective talent to those of other teams. It's the coaches job to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Why is Andy Reid on the hot seat? Because he had all the talent in the world and failed to deliver.


Now, I'm not saying TC is bad. He's a great coach. I'm just saying we can be much, much better. This also is a tricky situation though. It's very easy to just hire any guy that would ruin everything. So count me as a Keep TC until you find a better head coach guy. That being said, i would not mind hiring Sparano or Spags. Both got fired, but both have at least shown they were able to take sub par talent and have them over achieve - at some point. </P>

lawl
01-09-2012, 01:57 PM
This defense has had the equivalent of 4 starters out per game this year.