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nycsportzfan
12-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Kendall Wright is so freaking explosive He was the first SLEEPER i wrote about this season and hes way past that now! Hes probably a 2nd rounder to a team like Tampa who needs explosion to pair with Williams going forward

Redeyejedi
12-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Georgias Oline is getting killed by LSU's front 4. Kind of what the Giants thought there front 4 could do. Nowhere to thow the ball when 7 are in coverage

tonyt830
12-03-2011, 08:51 PM
Mathieu will be in jail or dead before he makes the NFL or makes any impact in the NFL. He's only a sophmore---we know he wont be of any significance this year.</P>


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Well Georgia gave it their best I guess. But nothing to be ashamed about though. At least they are not from adirty and corrupt state in Louisiana. </P>


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My tv ratings wont be going to LSU and the BCS. I'd rather work with a hangover on New Years Day than support that waste of a BCS.</P>

Redeyejedi
12-03-2011, 09:13 PM
Theres Andre Branch wreaking havoc on Logan Thomas again.Hey Sportzfan didnt he have like 12 sacks the last time they played,LOL

Redeyejedi
12-03-2011, 09:17 PM
Man I wish the Giants would get Dwayne Allen

tonyt830
12-03-2011, 09:20 PM
Man I wish the Giants would get Dwayne AllenI would like that as well. Dwayne Allen and Jake Ballard would be a nice duo. Allen is a good all around TE from what I have observed and read from other posters. He is a good vertical threat and a good blocker. I like Fleener and Eifert at TE as well. But maybe we nab one of them in the 2nd or 3rd rd?

nycsportzfan
12-03-2011, 09:47 PM
Man I wish the Giants would get Dwayne AllenI would like that as well. Dwayne Allen and Jake Ballard would be a nice duo. Allen is a good all around TE from what I have observed and read from other posters. He is a good vertical threat and a good blocker. I like Fleener and Eifert at TE as well. But maybe we nab one of them in the 2nd or 3rd rd? Ya those are the 3guys that i'd like most George Bryan TE Nc State is also out there as a well rounded TE

nycsportzfan
12-03-2011, 09:48 PM
God we gotta get our hands on one of those Wisconsin O-Lineman! Zeitler Konz and Wagner are all freaking sensational! Also montee ball has grown on me and i like Aaron Henry as a safety prospect as well! Wisconsin is the team i like watching most this yr

nycsportzfan
12-03-2011, 09:50 PM
God we gotta get our hands on one of those Wisconsin O-Lineman! Zeitler Konz and Wagner are all freaking sensational! Also montee ball has grown on me and i like Aaron Henry as a safety prospect as well! Wisconsin is the team i like watching most this yr
Another TD run by ball! Great interior blocking and it wasen't all blocking as Ball finishes with power! Plays under review but he was in i think Ball also threw a perfect pass to Russell WIlson

Redeyejedi
12-03-2011, 09:53 PM
God we gotta get our hands on one of those Wisconsin O-Lineman! Zeitler Konz and Wagner are all freaking sensational! Also montee ball has grown on me and i like Aaron Henry as a safety prospect as well! Wisconsin is the team i like watching most this yr
There one of the better teams. really they should be undefeated

nycsportzfan
12-03-2011, 09:58 PM
God we gotta get our hands on one of those Wisconsin O-Lineman! Zeitler Konz and Wagner are all freaking sensational! Also montee ball has grown on me and i like Aaron Henry as a safety prospect as well! Wisconsin is the team i like watching most this yr
There one of the better teams. really they should be undefeated 13carry 105yrd 2td and 1completion for Ball in the 1st qter!! Hes sensational!

tonyt830
12-03-2011, 10:00 PM
God we gotta get our hands on one of those Wisconsin O-Lineman! Zeitler Konz and Wagner are all freaking sensational! Also montee ball has grown on me and i like Aaron Henry as a safety prospect as well! Wisconsin is the team i like watching most this yr
Yeah there is something about O-linemen from the Wisconsin! I would love to see Konz or Zeitler. </P>


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In walters football latest mock, he has Konz going to the Titans or Texansin rd 1 I believe and the Giants getting Zeitler in rd 3. Maybe he goes round 2, what do you think?</P>


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But Ball would be a nice addition to the giants, especially if jacobs is gone next year.</P>

tonyt830
12-03-2011, 10:03 PM
Man I wish the Giants would get Dwayne AllenI would like that as well. Dwayne Allen and Jake Ballard would be a nice duo. Allen is a good all around TE from what I have observed and read from other posters. He is a good vertical threat and a good blocker. I like Fleener and Eifert at TE as well. But maybe we nab one of them in the 2nd or 3rd rd? Ya those are the 3guys that i'd like most George Bryan TE Nc State is also out there as a well rounded TE
I havent see a lot of NC State and George Bryan. You think he could be a 4th or 5th rd draft pick? I just want the Travis Beckum experiment to be done with.

Redeyejedi
12-03-2011, 10:11 PM
God we gotta get our hands on one of those Wisconsin O-Lineman! Zeitler Konz and Wagner are all freaking sensational! Also montee ball has grown on me and i like Aaron Henry as a safety prospect as well! Wisconsin is the team i like watching most this yr
There one of the better teams. really they should be undefeated 13carry 105yrd 2td and 1completion for Ball in the 1st qter!! Hes sensational!
Dont forget 32 yards passing.

Raptor22
12-03-2011, 11:14 PM
*God we gotta get our hands on one of those Wisconsin* O-Lineman! Zeitler Konz and Wagner are all freaking sensational!** Also montee ball has grown on me and* i like Aaron Henry as a* safety prospect as well!** Wisconsin is the team i like watching most this yr


Did you happen to catch the ESPN segment on him? He's really grown on me as well. (threatening Barry Sanders' record doesn't hurt either)

Definitely a Giants type player.

Redeyejedi
12-04-2011, 12:30 AM
Nick Toon is overrated because of his last name.If his name wasnt Toon he would be an UFA. Have u ever seen him take over a game.Seriously like every other good receiver in this class ive seen them go for 150 yards and be unstoppable in at least 1 game. He gets manned up by medicore corners every week in the Big 10

Redeyejedi
12-04-2011, 12:36 AM
Why does Gus Johnson have to scream like that on every big play

nycsportzfan
12-04-2011, 12:38 AM
Nick Toon is overrated because of his last name.If his name wasnt Toon he would be an UFA. Have u ever seen him take over a game.Seriously like every other good receiver in this class ive seen them go for 150 yards and be unstoppable in at least 1 game. He gets manned up by medicore corners every week in the Big 10 i agree! I mean how is Bj Cunningham never talked about in the 2nd 3rd round area but Toon always is? Its ridiculous ! I've mocked Cunningham to us a couple of times in RD 5 I dont know though he may go earlier then that the way hes played What is he slow or something? Seems fast enough to me!

Heck of a game though!

nycsportzfan
12-04-2011, 12:59 AM
God we gotta get our hands on one of those Wisconsin O-Lineman! Zeitler Konz and Wagner are all freaking sensational! Also montee ball has grown on me and i like Aaron Henry as a safety prospect as well! Wisconsin is the team i like watching most this yr
Yeah there is something about O-linemen from the Wisconsin! I would love to see Konz or Zeitler. </p>


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In walters football latest mock, he has Konz going to the Titans or Texansin rd 1 I believe and the Giants getting Zeitler in rd 3. Maybe he goes round 2, what do you think?</p>


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But Ball would be a nice addition to the giants, especially if jacobs is gone next year.</p> With all the suprises come draft time its hard to tell exactly what round Zeitler will go I am Thinking mid-Late rd 2 as hes the 2nd best G in football but i could see possibly RD 3 Konz is going in the Late 1st i think I'd be surprised if he goes to a team in the teens and the Titans got bigger fish to fry then C I could see them go after michael floyd to be honest

Raptor22
12-04-2011, 10:33 AM
Question about Ball and Sanders' record: Are they counting total TD's, or just rushing TD's?.

Redeyejedi
12-05-2011, 05:55 PM
Rumor on Twitter is that Cliff Harris has been kicked off the Oregon Football team

Redeyejedi
12-05-2011, 11:06 PM
I watching Baylor Texas and Kendall Wright is really explosive.Ive seen this alot this year.The 2nd play of the game he draws bracket coverage.He makes Blake Gideon think he is going to run a deep post ,Gideon cheats inside for just a millisecond but Wright going to run a 9 route . Gideon reacts quickly but its to late Wrights already blown by him.Just like that 6 points. K Wright has electric speed but he isnt a great route runner and his hands are a little suspect but his big play ability is undeniable

nycsportzfan
12-06-2011, 08:02 AM
I watching Baylor Texas and Kendall Wright is really explosive.Ive seen this alot this year.The 2nd play of the game he draws bracket coverage.He makes Blake Gideon think he is going to run a deep post ,Gideon cheats inside for just a millisecond but Wright going to run a 9 route . Gideon reacts quickly but its to late Wrights already blown by him.Just like that 6 points. K Wright has electric speed but he isnt a great route runner and his hands are a little suspect but his big play ability is undeniable Wright would be perfect in Tampa I just keep seeing him teamed up with mike williams and Kellen Winslow going forward He is super explosive and when you run deep routes often of course your gonna drop a few as its not as easy as running little 6yrd stop and turn and catch lol Your gonna drop some deep ones But overall his hands are plenty good enough and hes gonna be electric in the NFL It'd be something if a team like the Deadskins drafts Robert Griffin and then snatches up Kendall Wright in Round 2 I hope not because Washington is slowely starting to build a good offense with Helu Hankerson fred davis trent williams and u add robert griffin and kendall wright to the mix watch out!!! Hopefully we'll be able to counter with Jerrnigan if they do get those guys I can't wait for the draft to get here!

bleedinblue27
12-06-2011, 08:39 AM
Defense, Defense, Defense!!!! and maybe a lil Oline!

Redeyejedi
12-06-2011, 12:37 PM
I watching Baylor Texas and Kendall Wright is really explosive.Ive seen this alot this year.The 2nd play of the game he draws bracket coverage.He makes Blake Gideon think he is going to run a deep post ,Gideon cheats inside for just a millisecond but Wright going to run a 9 route . Gideon reacts quickly but its to late Wrights already blown by him.Just like that 6 points. K Wright has electric speed but he isnt a great route runner and his hands are a little suspect but his big play ability is undeniable* Wright would be perfect in Tampa** I just keep seeing him teamed up with mike williams and Kellen Winslow* going forward******* He is super explosive and when you run deep routes often** of course your gonna drop a few as its not as easy as running little 6yrd stop and turn and catch lol Your gonna drop some deep ones**** But overall his hands are plenty good enough and hes gonna be electric in the NFL**** It'd be something if a team like the Deadskins drafts Robert Griffin and then snatches up Kendall Wright in Round 2** I hope not because Washington is slowely starting to build a good offense with Helu Hankerson** fred davis trent williams* and u add robert griffin and kendall wright to the mix** watch out!!!**** Hopefully we'll be able to counter with Jerrnigan if they do get those guys** I can't wait for the draft to get here!

He is actually a lot like Desean Jackson.Not quite as fast but has some of the same positives and negatives on the football field

Raptor22
12-06-2011, 01:53 PM
So, reading through Walter Football's mock draft (12/1), the G-Men are selecting:
RD 1) Luke Kuechly (LB Boston College)
RD 2) Brandon Thomson (DT Clemson)
RD 3) Kevin Zeitler (G, Wisconsin)

...HOLY CARP that's a kickass draft. REESE, GET IT DONE!

In other news, they don't have Montee Ball going at all in the first 3 rounds. I'm extending the draft to 4 rounds and giving him to the Giants then. That could be a dynastic draft.

In other news, Charlie Cambell REALLY likes the LB's this year:
10) Upshaw (Chargers)
11) Kuechly (Bucks)
13) Burfict ('skins)
14) Zach Brown (eagles)
15) Te'o (Bills)

22) Brandon Jenkins -DE/LB- (Browns)
27) Ronnell Lewis -OLB/DE- (Steelers)
28) Vinny Curry -DE/LB- (Patriots)

Really? 8 linebackers going in the first round?

Also he has the Giants taking DeCastro at 17, passing on Dre Kirkpatrick, Micheal Floyd, Janoris Jenkins,

BlueSanta
12-06-2011, 05:05 PM
So, reading through Walter Football's mock draft (12/1), the G-Men are selecting:
RD 1) Luke Kuechly (LB Boston College)
RD 2) Brandon Thomson (DT Clemson)
RD 3) Kevin Zeitler (G, Wisconsin)

...HOLY CARP that's a kickass draft. REESE, GET IT DONE!

In other news, they don't have Montee Ball going at all in the first 3 rounds. I'm extending the draft to 4 rounds and giving him to the Giants then. That could be a dynastic draft.

In other news, Charlie Cambell REALLY likes the LB's this year:
10) Upshaw (Chargers)
11) Kuechly (Bucks)
13) Burfict ('skins)
14) Zach Brown (eagles)
15) Te'o (Bills)

22) Brandon Jenkins -DE/LB- (Browns)
27) Ronnell Lewis -OLB/DE- (Steelers)
28) Vinny Curry -DE/LB- (Patriots)

Really? 8 linebackers going in the first round?

Also he has the Giants taking DeCastro at 17, passing on Dre Kirkpatrick, Micheal Floyd, Janoris Jenkins,


well, every year there are guys who rise and fall after the season is over, the scouts hit the tape, and the combine occurs and people reevaluate.

But, Im only talking my opinion here I think there is a real chance Kuechly, when all is said and done, is a top 10 pick. I think this for a couple reasons:1) The more tape the scouts see the more they will like him, I know I did and 2) I watch his tape and I see speed and quickness. Most seem to consider him a moderate athlete and I think there is a real chance he does way better than expected at the combine only adding to his late riser category.

I could be wrong, I thought Akeem Ayers would do well at the combine last year and was dead wrong there. But, as I have said in other threads I watched Kuechly run down a freshamn back from FSU who is very fast. I also saw him get deep and to the sideline very quickly several times as well. I do not see a guy who is hampered by so-so athletic ability at all.

So, I guess what I am saying is I think there is a real chance Kuechly is off the board when we select.

As to Montee Ball. I do like him, I just am not as high on him as many. I think it is a strong RB class. I know he is a popular guy right now, and my opinion of him has improved in recent weeks, but his Oline is incredible and I see plays where he does nothing special but run to a hole and isnt touched until he gets to the secondary because the blocking is just that good. This isnt a negative at all for him. I just dont know, nor can anyone know, how good he is if there wasnt an imediate interstate of a hole for him to run through because he hasnt had much experience behind a mediocre oline. There is a lot to like, he is durable and runs north south. But, in the NFL nobody gets holes like the ones he is running through now.

nycsportzfan
12-06-2011, 09:18 PM
ake

So, reading through Walter Football's mock draft (12/1), the G-Men are selecting:
RD 1) Luke Kuechly (LB Boston College)
RD 2) Brandon Thomson (DT Clemson)
RD 3) Kevin Zeitler (G, Wisconsin)

...HOLY CARP that's a kickass draft. REESE, GET IT DONE!

In other news, they don't have Montee Ball going at all in the first 3 rounds. I'm extending the draft to 4 rounds and giving him to the Giants then. That could be a dynastic draft.

In other news, Charlie Cambell REALLY likes the LB's this year:
10) Upshaw (Chargers)
11) Kuechly (Bucks)
13) Burfict ('skins)
14) Zach Brown (eagles)
15) Te'o (Bills)

22) Brandon Jenkins -DE/LB- (Browns)
27) Ronnell Lewis -OLB/DE- (Steelers)
28) Vinny Curry -DE/LB- (Patriots)

Really? 8 linebackers going in the first round?

Also he has the Giants taking DeCastro at 17, passing on Dre Kirkpatrick, Micheal Floyd, Janoris Jenkins,


well, every year there are guys who rise and fall after the season is over, the scouts hit the tape, and the combine occurs and people reevaluate.

But, Im only talking my opinion here I think there is a real chance Kuechly, when all is said and done, is a top 10 pick. I think this for a couple reasons:1) The more tape the scouts see the more they will like him, I know I did and 2) I watch his tape and I see speed and quickness. Most seem to consider him a moderate athlete and I think there is a real chance he does way better than expected at the combine only adding to his late riser category.

I could be wrong, I thought Akeem Ayers would do well at the combine last year and was dead wrong there. But, as I have said in other threads I watched Kuechly run down a freshamn back from FSU who is very fast. I also saw him get deep and to the sideline very quickly several times as well. I do not see a guy who is hampered by so-so athletic ability at all.

So, I guess what I am saying is I think there is a real chance Kuechly is off the board when we select.

As to Montee Ball. I do like him, I just am not as high on him as many. I think it is a strong RB class. I know he is a popular guy right now, and my opinion of him has improved in recent weeks, but his Oline is incredible and I see plays where he does nothing special but run to a hole and isnt touched until he gets to the secondary because the blocking is just that good. This isnt a negative at all for him. I just dont know, nor can anyone know, how good he is if there wasnt an imediate interstate of a hole for him to run through because he hasnt had much experience behind a mediocre oline. There is a lot to like, he is durable and runs north south. But, in the NFL nobody gets holes like the ones he is running through now.
Ya Kuechly could definetly be a AJ HAWK type top 10 pick lb His instincts are just incredible and as u said I see nothing wrong with his speed I actually saw him Catch Lamar miller in Space when Lamar had gotten a nice little 3yrd head of steam and Kuechly came and got him or it would of been like a 50yrd gain at least! It was incredible! Dude is outstanding!

Ayers is playing really well for TEnnesee right now and seems to have a bright future with them Just goes to show the combine can really screw ya if u take to much from it

BlueSanta
12-07-2011, 12:25 AM
Ayers is playing really well for TEnnesee right now and seems to have a bright future with them Just goes to show the combine can really screw ya if u take to much from it

He has been decent, they also got Colin McCarthy in the 4th who took over for Rudd in early November and he has been even better. But Ayers combine was such a shocker. Ive never seen a guy who was expected to light up the combine, like virtually everyone said he would, perform so horribly.

He hurt himself a ton, he went from a top 10 prospect to a 2nd round pick. I can only assume he didnt train for the combine and that choice cost him a lot of money.

Lets not kid ourselves though, obviously the combine isnt everything. But it matters. I guarantee if Ayers hat to do over again he would have taken the offseason more seriously cause we all know that combine performance wasnt what he is capable of had he trained for it. He was just too athletic on tape for that combine performance.

nycsportzfan
12-07-2011, 07:38 AM
Ayers is playing really well for TEnnesee right now and seems to have a bright future with them Just goes to show the combine can really screw ya if u take to much from it

He has been decent, they also got Colin McCarthy in the 4th who took over for Rudd in early November and he has been even better. But Ayers combine was such a shocker. Ive never seen a guy who was expected to light up the combine, like virtually everyone said he would, perform so horribly.

He hurt himself a ton, he went from a top 10 prospect to a 2nd round pick. I can only assume he didnt train for the combine and that choice cost him a lot of money.

Lets not kid ourselves though, obviously the combine isnt everything. But it matters. I guarantee if Ayers hat to do over again he would have taken the offseason more seriously cause we all know that combine performance wasnt what he is capable of had he trained for it. He was just too athletic on tape for that combine performance.
Well there was actually a few people on here who thought he was perdicted to go higher then where he was ranked I never saw him as high as TOP 10 anywhere but i was thinking somewhere from late teens to end of RD 1 The combine is way overrated in my opinion and if anything its just so popular beccause of when it occurs People are craving football and the combine gives us a taste Its become a spectacle all most U see guys like Victor Cruz Arian Foster Ahmad Bradshaw and all these other guys who either weren't invited or didn't perform all that well and look at them? I could make just as big a list of players who succeeded after not having eye popping combine numbers or weren't even invited as i could of players who did excel at the combine The diffrence being the guys who either weren't there or didnt do well more often then not are being past over rd after rd while teams pick busts early on If a guys good Chances are "hes good!" The diffrence in times at the combine are so minescule anyways and the events are nothing like being on a football field with 11players movements and actions all playing a part I believe in the combine to a degree but not nearly that much I still ike it though

Raptor22
12-07-2011, 12:05 PM
Ayers is playing really well for TEnnesee right now and seems to have a bright future with them Just goes to show the combine can really screw ya if u take to much from it

He has been decent, they also got Colin McCarthy in the 4th who took over for Rudd in early November and he has been even better. But Ayers combine was such a shocker. Ive never seen a guy who was expected to light up the combine, like virtually everyone said he would, perform so horribly.

He hurt himself a ton, he went from a top 10 prospect to a 2nd round pick. I can only assume he didnt train for the combine and that choice cost him a lot of money.

Lets not kid ourselves though, obviously the combine isnt everything. But it matters. I guarantee if Ayers hat to do over again he would have taken the offseason more seriously cause we all know that combine performance wasnt what he is capable of had he trained for it. He was just too athletic on tape for that combine performance.
Well there was actually a few people on here who thought he was perdicted to go higher then where he was ranked I never saw him as high as TOP 10 anywhere but i was thinking somewhere from late teens to end of RD 1 The combine is way overrated in my opinion and if anything its just so popular beccause of when it occurs People are craving football and the combine gives us a taste Its become a spectacle all most U see guys like Victor Cruz Arian Foster Ahmad Bradshaw and all these other guys who either weren't invited or didn't perform all that well and look at them? I could make just as big a list of players who succeeded after not having eye popping combine numbers or weren't even invited as i could of players who did excel at the combine The diffrence being the guys who either weren't there or didnt do well more often then not are being past over rd after rd while teams pick busts early on If a guys good Chances are "hes good!" The diffrence in times at the combine are so minescule anyways and the events are nothing like being on a football field with 11players movements and actions all playing a part I believe in the combine to a degree but not nearly that much I still ike it though


The combine IS fun to watch. Especially when Rich races the O linemen and gets smoked :-D

And you know I agree that it weighs unfairly on too many prospects. That being said, I can see it from the GM's side: Okay, he can rack up 200 tackles in college, but can he get 2 against an NFL offense? No clue, but at least we KNOW he can turn a 4.5sec 40. With so much money (and their jobs) riding on it, I can understand wanting to be SURE on as much as you can...

It ain't right, but it is what it is. I'd rather guys get drafted on what they do on the field (and character), but if it forces great football players down to us, I'll take it (b^.^)b

BlueSanta
12-07-2011, 01:01 PM
Ayers is playing really well for TEnnesee right now and seems to have a bright future with them Just goes to show the combine can really screw ya if u take to much from it

He has been decent, they also got Colin McCarthy in the 4th who took over for Rudd in early November and he has been even better. But Ayers combine was such a shocker. Ive never seen a guy who was expected to light up the combine, like virtually everyone said he would, perform so horribly.

He hurt himself a ton, he went from a top 10 prospect to a 2nd round pick. I can only assume he didnt train for the combine and that choice cost him a lot of money.

Lets not kid ourselves though, obviously the combine isnt everything. But it matters. I guarantee if Ayers hat to do over again he would have taken the offseason more seriously cause we all know that combine performance wasnt what he is capable of had he trained for it. He was just too athletic on tape for that combine performance.
Well there was actually a few people on here who thought he was perdicted to go higher then where he was ranked I never saw him as high as TOP 10 anywhere but i was thinking somewhere from late teens to end of RD 1


You had him going to detriot at 13 prior to the combine with an outside chance of him falling to us.

Quite a few had him going in the top 10 prior to the combine.


His stock fell almost an entire round, which is what I predicted would happen after seeing his combine results which were the poorest of any LB at the combine. Everyone knows he could play b/c of his film. But you cannot say it doesnt matter to these guys if they eat a few big macs and it costs them a mil a year because they fell an entire round.

Raptor22
12-08-2011, 01:11 PM
NFL.com is coming out with top 10 lists for various positions:

O-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc19f/article/top-10-olinemen-uscs-kalil-stanford-duo-lead-the-way)

D-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc87e/article/top-10-dlinemen-versatility-will-help-coples-ingram)

Running Backs (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d3dd9/article/top-10-rbs-alabamas-richardson-is-the-total-package?module=HP11_content_stream)

Linebackers (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d4504/article/top-10-lbs-physicality-agility-common-among-nations-best)

(Note: Kuechly is listed as his No. 1 LB)

Redeyejedi
12-08-2011, 01:57 PM
dkaplanSBJ daniel kaplan
NFL says it will 4 the 1st time host regional combines in 2012, eight of them, for pro prospects, and pros that have been out of the game
Intended for people not invited to the Scouting combine

Raptor22
12-08-2011, 02:03 PM
dkaplanSBJ daniel kaplan
NFL says it will 4 the 1st time host regional combines in 2012, eight of them, for pro prospects, and pros that have been out of the game
Intended for people not invited to the Scouting combine

Nice. That might shake the draft up some.

I wonder if that will supplant pro days? Also, I wonder if Eisen will run 8 more 40's?

juice33s
12-08-2011, 03:05 PM
NFL.com is coming out with top 10 lists for various positions:

O-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc19f/article/top-10-olinemen-uscs-kalil-stanford-duo-lead-the-way)

D-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc87e/article/top-10-dlinemen-versatility-will-help-coples-ingram)

Running Backs (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d3dd9/article/top-10-rbs-alabamas-richardson-is-the-total-package?module=HP11_content_stream)

Linebackers (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d4504/article/top-10-lbs-physicality-agility-common-among-nations-best)

(Note: Kuechly is listed as his No. 1 LB)

<strong id="yui_3_3_0_1_13233707562973392">1. Luke Kuechly*, Boston College, ILB (6-2, 237):[/b]
Kuechly is not as athletic as some of the others on the list, but it is
hard to find a more productive player at the position. His combination
of instincts, awareness and anticipation is unrivaled in the college
game, and his impressive tackling production is the result of his superb
play diagnosis. Though his athleticism and coverage rate as concerns,
his ability to thrive as a "two-down" linebacker is too much to ignore.

IMO thats a big time misconception of Kuechly (Probably because he's white). The guys got better speed and quickness then both Burfict and Teo and his astronomical tackle numbers clearly back that up. He's also got 7 career INT's which is 6 more then Burfict and Teo have combined.

The guys going to blow both of them out of the water come combine time

Raptor22
12-09-2011, 11:14 AM
NFL.com is coming out with top 10 lists for various positions:

O-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc19f/article/top-10-olinemen-uscs-kalil-stanford-duo-lead-the-way)

D-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc87e/article/top-10-dlinemen-versatility-will-help-coples-ingram)

Running Backs (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d3dd9/article/top-10-rbs-alabamas-richardson-is-the-total-package?module=HP11_content_stream)

Linebackers (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d4504/article/top-10-lbs-physicality-agility-common-among-nations-best)

(Note: Kuechly is listed as his No. 1 LB)

<a href="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824dcc62/article/top-10-wrtes-osus-blackmon-headlines-explosive-group">
Wide Receivers</a>
<a href="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824db531/article/top-10-dbs-lsu-corner-claiborne-leads-talented-sec-trio-">
Defensive Backs</a>

...Okay, who expects (at some point over the draft weekend) to hear "The New York Giants Select: Mark Barron S, Alabama"

Spizi
12-09-2011, 11:56 AM
NFL.com is coming out with top 10 lists for various positions:

O-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc19f/article/top-10-olinemen-uscs-kalil-stanford-duo-lead-the-way)

D-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc87e/article/top-10-dlinemen-versatility-will-help-coples-ingram)

Running Backs (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d3dd9/article/top-10-rbs-alabamas-richardson-is-the-total-package?module=HP11_content_stream)

Linebackers (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d4504/article/top-10-lbs-physicality-agility-common-among-nations-best)

(Note: Kuechly is listed as his No. 1 LB)

<strong id="yui_3_3_0_1_13233707562973392">1. Luke Kuechly*, Boston College, ILB (6-2, 237):[/b]
Kuechly is not as athletic as some of the others on the list, but it is
hard to find a more productive player at the position. His combination
of instincts, awareness and anticipation is unrivaled in the college
game, and his impressive tackling production is the result of his superb
play diagnosis. Though his athleticism and coverage rate as concerns,
his ability to thrive as a "two-down" linebacker is too much to ignore.

IMO thats a big time misconception of Kuechly (Probably because he's white). The guys got better speed and quickness then both Burfict and Teo and his astronomical tackle numbers clearly back that up. He's also got 7 career INT's which is 6 more then Burfict and Teo have combined.

The guys going to blow both of them out of the water come combine time


Wait what? Are we watching the same player? Te'o is much faster than Kuechly.

Raptor22
12-09-2011, 12:04 PM
So, reading through Walter Football's mock draft (12/1), the G-Men are selecting:
RD 1) Luke Kuechly (LB Boston College)
RD 2) Brandon Thomson (DT Clemson)
RD 3) Kevin Zeitler (G, Wisconsin)

...HOLY CARP that's a kickass draft. REESE, GET IT DONE!

In other news, they don't have Montee Ball going at all in the first 3 rounds. I'm extending the draft to 4 rounds and giving him to the Giants then. That could be a dynastic draft.

In other news, Charlie Cambell REALLY likes the LB's this year:
10) Upshaw (Chargers)
11) Kuechly (Bucks)
13) Burfict ('skins)
14) Zach Brown (eagles)
15) Te'o (Bills)

22) Brandon Jenkins -DE/LB- (Browns)
27) Ronnell Lewis -OLB/DE- (Steelers)
28) Vinny Curry -DE/LB- (Patriots)

Really? 8 linebackers going in the first round?

Also he has the Giants taking DeCastro at 17, passing on Dre Kirkpatrick, Micheal Floyd, Janoris Jenkins,


This week's 3 round mock:
Rd 1) David DeCastro (G, Stanford)
Rd 2) Nick Perry (DE, USC)
Rd 3) Audie Cole (ILB, NC State)

and Cambell has the G-Men taking: Vontaze Burfict (LB, Arizona State)

(he also has the eagles taking Kuechly at 8th overall, and Taj Boyd in 2013)

Also, for the fun of it: Sideline Scouting has the Giants taking Te'o in the 1st and Polk in the 2nd.

juice33s
12-09-2011, 12:09 PM
NFL.com is coming out with top 10 lists for various positions:

O-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc19f/article/top-10-olinemen-uscs-kalil-stanford-duo-lead-the-way)

D-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc87e/article/top-10-dlinemen-versatility-will-help-coples-ingram)

Running Backs (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d3dd9/article/top-10-rbs-alabamas-richardson-is-the-total-package?module=HP11_content_stream)

Linebackers (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d4504/article/top-10-lbs-physicality-agility-common-among-nations-best)

(Note: Kuechly is listed as his No. 1 LB)

<strong id="yui_3_3_0_1_13233707562973392">1. Luke Kuechly*, Boston College, ILB (6-2, 237):[/b]
Kuechly is not as athletic as some of the others on the list, but it is
hard to find a more productive player at the position. His combination
of instincts, awareness and anticipation is unrivaled in the college
game, and his impressive tackling production is the result of his superb
play diagnosis. Though his athleticism and coverage rate as concerns,
his ability to thrive as a "two-down" linebacker is too much to ignore.

IMO thats a big time misconception of Kuechly (Probably because he's white). The guys got better speed and quickness then both Burfict and Teo and his astronomical tackle numbers clearly back that up. He's also got 7 career INT's which is 6 more then Burfict and Teo have combined.

The guys going to blow both of them out of the water come combine time


Wait what? Are we watching the same player? Te'o is much faster than Kuechly.
Teo isn't considered an elite athlete either, but thats besides the point. Kuechly just broke his own ACC single season tackle record, his sideline to sideline speed can not be questioned at this point. Also just look at the guys body type, he's ripped up, looks much more the part of an explosive athlete then Teo does

Redeyejedi
12-09-2011, 12:11 PM
The SEC flagged some of Draftbreakdowns videos.Had to make them Unlisted before they find mine.Only Alabama videos were flagged for some odd reason

Redeyejedi
12-09-2011, 12:37 PM
NFL.com is coming out with top 10 lists for various positions:

O-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc19f/article/top-10-olinemen-uscs-kalil-stanford-duo-lead-the-way)

D-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824cc87e/article/top-10-dlinemen-versatility-will-help-coples-ingram)

Running Backs (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d3dd9/article/top-10-rbs-alabamas-richardson-is-the-total-package?module=HP11_content_stream)

Linebackers (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824d4504/article/top-10-lbs-physicality-agility-common-among-nations-best)

(Note: Kuechly is listed as his No. 1 LB)

<strong id="yui_3_3_0_1_13233707562973392">1. Luke Kuechly*, Boston College, ILB (6-2, 237):[/b]
Kuechly is not as athletic as some of the others on the list, but it is
hard to find a more productive player at the position. His combination
of instincts, awareness and anticipation is unrivaled in the college
game, and his impressive tackling production is the result of his superb
play diagnosis. Though his athleticism and coverage rate as concerns,
his ability to thrive as a "two-down" linebacker is too much to ignore.

IMO thats a big time misconception of Kuechly (Probably because he's white). The guys got better speed and quickness then both Burfict and Teo and his astronomical tackle numbers clearly back that up. He's also got 7 career INT's which is 6 more then Burfict and Teo have combined.

The guys going to blow both of them out of the water come combine time


Wait what? Are we watching the same player? Te'o is much faster than Kuechly.
Teo isn't considered an elite athlete either, but thats besides the point. Kuechly just broke his own ACC single season tackle record, his sideline to sideline speed can not be questioned at this point. Also just look at the guys body type, he's ripped up, looks much more the part of an explosive athlete then Teo does

Teo and Burfict are faster straight line speed wise but they arent the most fluid guys .They look more like 3-4 backers

Redeyejedi
12-09-2011, 12:40 PM
Im very high on Shayne Skov but he has missed pretty much all of 2011

juice33s
12-10-2011, 01:41 AM
Redeye, do you have any footage of Houston running back Charles sims. The guy averaged 7.5 yards a carry this season and has 116 catches in the past two years.

Not sure if he's a RS soph, or just a soph, but he is 21 so I'm thinking he's draft eligible

nycsportzfan
12-10-2011, 04:15 PM
Any Chance brandon Jenkins can be a 4/3 SLB? I was curious about that Or is he strickly a 3/4 OLB or 4/3 DE?

Redeyejedi
12-10-2011, 06:43 PM
Any Chance brandon Jenkins can be a 4/3 SLB? I was curious about that Or is he strickly a 3/4 OLB or 4/3 DE?
Weird u ask about him just did this </P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Brandon Jenkins vs Maryland 2011</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYHY5BgFX9w) </P>


I dont think he is really a 4-3 LB guy but who knows Mathias Kiwanuka is the Giants SOLB</P>

nycsportzfan
12-11-2011, 09:01 AM
<span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">man Robert Griffin is just one cool dude! He just see</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">ms so genuine and thats co</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">ming fro</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m a guy(</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me) whos just totally skeptical of athletes and that true persona He really struck </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me as down to earth and very hu</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mble and even keeled He </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">must of </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mentioned BAYLOR U about 15 ti</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mes in his speech and his coach Art Briles another handful of ti</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mes Hes got a Sgt </span>mother and a Sgt father and talks with grace and dignity and i gotta admit I'm just that much more a fan of RG3 then i was yesterday! I really hope he dosen't end up in our nation's capitol LOL I would like to see him end up in Kansas City or Jacksonville(new ownership and possibly HC and cheaper Draft picks means u don't take as big a loss if u cut ties with a top pick quicker now a days) Anyhow I think RG3 is gonna be extremely good player at the next level How funny was it when Chris Fowler was running through his nicknames and said "baby jesus" and Robert got totally embaressed and i believe it was because of his family being in the audience Just a great dude!
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nycsportzfan
12-11-2011, 09:02 AM
Any Chance brandon Jenkins can be a 4/3 SLB? I was curious about that Or is he strickly a 3/4 OLB or 4/3 DE?
Weird u ask about him just did this </p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Brandon Jenkins vs Maryland 2011</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYHY5BgFX9w) </p>


I dont think he is really a 4-3 LB guy but who knows Mathias Kiwanuka is the Giants SOLB</p> true

nycsportzfan
12-11-2011, 09:05 AM
Ayers is playing really well for TEnnesee right now and seems to have a bright future with them Just goes to show the combine can really screw ya if u take to much from it

He has been decent, they also got Colin McCarthy in the 4th who took over for Rudd in early November and he has been even better. But Ayers combine was such a shocker. Ive never seen a guy who was expected to light up the combine, like virtually everyone said he would, perform so horribly.

He hurt himself a ton, he went from a top 10 prospect to a 2nd round pick. I can only assume he didnt train for the combine and that choice cost him a lot of money.

Lets not kid ourselves though, obviously the combine isnt everything. But it matters. I guarantee if Ayers hat to do over again he would have taken the offseason more seriously cause we all know that combine performance wasnt what he is capable of had he trained for it. He was just too athletic on tape for that combine performance.
Well there was actually a few people on here who thought he was perdicted to go higher then where he was ranked I never saw him as high as TOP 10 anywhere but i was thinking somewhere from late teens to end of RD 1


You had him going to detriot at 13 prior to the combine with an outside chance of him falling to us.

Quite a few had him going in the top 10 prior to the combine.


His stock fell almost an entire round, which is what I predicted would happen after seeing his combine results which were the poorest of any LB at the combine. Everyone knows he could play b/c of his film. But you cannot say it doesnt matter to these guys if they eat a few big macs and it costs them a mil a year because they fell an entire round.

I had em going at 13 as my surprise pick to Detroit though Kinda my going out on a limb pick if u will I knew it was a longshot i just thought i'd go out on that limb and i was wrong I certainly knew it very possible he drops down the line if i was wrong on DETROIT It wasen't something i'd of bet on Thats for sure I was in the minority on how early i had him going But as i expected Hes playing pretty darn good football and is looking like hes gonna be a key contributor to that TENN D for yrs to come maybe DET should of listened???lol

Redeyejedi
12-11-2011, 09:19 AM
<SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>man Robert Griffin is just one cool dude! He just see</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>ms so genuine and thats co</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>ming fro</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>m a guy(</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me) whos just totally skeptical of athletes and that true persona He really struck </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me as down to earth and very hu</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mble and even keeled He </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>must of </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mentioned BAYLOR U about 15 ti</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mes in his speech and his coach Art Briles another handful of ti</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mes Hes got a Sgt </SPAN>mother and a Sgt father and talks with grace and dignity and i gotta admit I'm just that much more a fan of RG3 then i was yesterday! I really hope he dosen't end up in our nation's capitol LOL I would like to see him end up in Kansas City or Jacksonville(new ownership and possibly HC and cheaper Draft picks means u don't take as big a loss if u cut ties with a top pick quicker now a days) Anyhow I think RG3 is gonna be extremely good player at the next level How funny was it when Chris Fowler was running through his nicknames and said "baby jesus" and Robert got totally embaressed and i believe it was because of his family being in the audience Just a great dude!

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Everything Ive read and heard about Griffin is about how great of a guy he is. I havent heard one bad thing about him.That wasnt the case with Cam Newton last year. Luck lost the Heisman against Oregon and Griffin took it with the win against Oklahoma </P>

thegreatone
12-11-2011, 09:33 AM
<span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">man Robert Griffin is just one cool dude! He just see</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">ms so genuine and thats co</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">ming fro</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m a guy(</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me) whos just totally skeptical of athletes and that true persona He really struck </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me as down to earth and very hu</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mble and even keeled He </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">must of </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mentioned BAYLOR U about 15 ti</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mes in his speech and his coach Art Briles another handful of ti</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mes Hes got a Sgt </span>mother and a Sgt father and talks with grace and dignity and i gotta admit I'm just that much more a fan of RG3 then i was yesterday! I really hope he dosen't end up in our nation's capitol LOL I would like to see him end up in Kansas City or Jacksonville(new ownership and possibly HC and cheaper Draft picks means u don't take as big a loss if u cut ties with a top pick quicker now a days) Anyhow I think RG3 is gonna be extremely good player at the next level How funny was it when Chris Fowler was running through his nicknames and said "baby jesus" and Robert got totally embaressed and i believe it was because of his family being in the audience Just a great dude!
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nycsportzfan
12-11-2011, 10:17 AM
<span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">man Robert Griffin is just one cool dude! He just see</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">ms so genuine and thats co</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">ming fro</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m a guy(</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me) whos just totally skeptical of athletes and that true persona He really struck </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me as down to earth and very hu</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mble and even keeled He </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">must of </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mentioned BAYLOR U about 15 ti</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mes in his speech and his coach Art Briles another handful of ti</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mes Hes got a Sgt </span>mother and a Sgt father and talks with grace and dignity and i gotta admit I'm just that much more a fan of RG3 then i was yesterday! I really hope he dosen't end up in our nation's capitol LOL I would like to see him end up in Kansas City or Jacksonville(new ownership and possibly HC and cheaper Draft picks means u don't take as big a loss if u cut ties with a top pick quicker now a days) Anyhow I think RG3 is gonna be extremely good player at the next level How funny was it when Chris Fowler was running through his nicknames and said "baby jesus" and Robert got totally embaressed and i believe it was because of his family being in the audience Just a great dude!

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Everything Ive read and heard about Griffin is about how great of a guy he is. I havent heard one bad thing about him.That wasnt the case with Cam Newton last year. Luck lost the Heisman against Oregon and Griffin took it with the win against Oklahoma </p> I think Luck was losing it and as u said offically lost it against oregon He was having good performances but not straight up dominatinging ones and they were really evenly RUN and PASS it seemed quite a bit toward the end He didn't throw for 300yrds in 5of his last 6 games and threw at least 1pick in 7of his last 8 Don't get me wrong He was very good just some reasons i think he lost it at the end Barkley is my num 1 QB this yr followed by Luck and RG3 all though RG3 is closer then i thought he could make it to Luck in my own personal rankings

U know a QB i think is gonna be good in the pros? Nick Foles I have seen Foles make some sensational throws and i think if hes on a better team Hes a 1st rounder I like him better then Tannehill and Cousins

Redeyejedi
12-11-2011, 11:27 AM
*<SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>man* Robert Griffin is just one cool dude!* He just see</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>ms so genuine and thats co</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>ming fro</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>m a* guy(</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me) whos just totally skeptical of athletes and that true persona** He really struck </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me as down to earth and very hu</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mble and even keeled*** He </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>must of </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mentioned BAYLOR U about 15 ti</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mes in his speech and his coach Art Briles another handful of ti</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mes*** Hes got a Sgt </SPAN>mother and a Sgt father and talks with grace and dignity and i gotta admit*** I'm just that much more a fan of RG3 then i was yesterday! I really hope he dosen't end up in our nation's capitol LOL** I would like to see him end up in* Kansas City or Jacksonville(new ownership and possibly HC and cheaper Draft picks* means u don't take as big a loss if u cut ties with a top pick quicker now a days)**** Anyhow* I think RG3 is gonna be extremely good player at the next level******* How funny was it when Chris Fowler was running through his nicknames and said "baby jesus" and Robert got totally embaressed and i believe it was because of his family being in the audience****** Just a great dude!

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Everything Ive read and heard about Griffin is about how great of a guy he is. I havent heard one bad thing about him.That wasnt the case with Cam Newton last year. Luck lost the Heisman against Oregon and Griffin took it with the win against Oklahoma </P>


I think Luck was losing it and as u said offically lost it against oregon*** He was having good performances but not straight up dominatinging ones* and they were really evenly* RUN and PASS it seemed* quite a bit** toward the end*** He didn't throw for 300yrds in 5of his last 6 games and threw at least 1pick in 7of his last 8*** Don't get me wrong*** He was very good**** just some reasons i think he lost it at the end**** Barkley is my num 1 QB this yr**** followed by* Luck* and RG3***** all though RG3 is closer then i thought he could make it to Luck in my own personal rankings

*U know a QB i think is gonna be good in the pros?* Nick Foles**** I have seen Foles make some sensational throws and i think if hes on a better team*** Hes a 1st rounder***** I like him better then Tannehill and Cousins
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Foles has improved a lot from 2010. He looked like a late round guy from his tape last year.I think he is a third round pick physical talent wise *but with the way people draft QB's who knows.After watching Christian Ponder who I thought was a 3rd round talent go Pick number 12 last year.Colt Mccoy who I thought was a late round pick go in the 3rd I have no idea anymore.</P>

BlueSanta
12-11-2011, 01:10 PM
Any Chance brandon Jenkins can be a 4/3 SLB? I was curious about that Or is he strickly a 3/4 OLB or 4/3 DE?
Weird u ask about him just did this </p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Brandon Jenkins vs Maryland 2011</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYHY5BgFX9w) </p>


I dont think he is really a 4-3 LB guy but who knows Mathias Kiwanuka is the Giants SOLB</p> true


I've seen this kid play a lot. I think he is either a 34 OLB or a 43 DE.

FSU has used him at LB a good bit early in the season, but he is clearly at his best when getting after the QB.

nycsportzfan
12-12-2011, 01:51 AM
I coulden't wait to do this weeks mock after a victory for a change!!! What a great game !! We certainly got shredded deep though! Like i'd never seen in Fooball before!!!lol Anyhow I got us picking 25th this week after the WIN Up from pick 20 last week


1 Peter Konz C Wisconsin - We gotta solifify this positon with young talent! Konz is a load inside and a heck of a run blocker and we need that badly!

2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma- I know about his injuries but this kids got Pro Bowl potential and was looked at as a future 1st round just last yr! I can look past this injury season and see the value and upside in this pick!

3 Kawaan Short DT Purdue- Playmaker at the DT positon where we really gotta start getting more pressure from! Short Joseph and Austin form a potent Trio going forward fot the Giants(at least on paper)

4 Aaronn Henry S Wisconsin- A solid all around safety whos not a liability in Coverege but can also play the run Seems to have a nose for the ball wheater ind the air or on the ground and we gotta get depth at this positon bigtime!

5 Vick Ballard RB miss St- Ballard is a nice Sleeper RB who has solid size and could be a better pro then COllege Player if finds right situation We like to give later round RB's chances and Ballard fits the description

6 mike Ryan OT UCONN- A big expierenced tackle whos played left and right tackle and has decent feet from what i've seen and is kinda in the mold of a Giants OT(gritty tough strong determined) We could use Depth at Tackle

7 Chandler Harnish- qb no illinois all read wrote about before

Redeyejedi
12-12-2011, 09:36 AM
*I coulden't wait to do this weeks mock after a victory for a change!!!*** What a great game !!* We certainly got shredded deep though! Like i'd never seen in Fooball before!!!lol** Anyhow** I got us picking 25th this week after the WIN*** Up from pick 20 last week


1 Peter Konz C Wisconsin* - We gotta solifify this positon with young talent! Konz is a load inside and a heck of a run blocker** and we need that*** badly!

2 Travis Lewis OLB* Oklahoma-** I know about his injuries* but this kids got Pro Bowl potential and was looked at as a future 1st round just last yr!* I can look past this injury season and see the value and upside in this pick!*

3 Kawaan Short DT Purdue-* Playmaker at the DT positon*** where we really gotta start getting more pressure from! Short Joseph and Austin form a* potent Trio going forward fot the Giants(at least on paper)

4 Aaronn Henry S Wisconsin- A solid all around safety whos not a liability in Coverege but can also play the run*** Seems to have a nose for the ball wheater ind* the air or on the ground and we gotta get depth at this positon bigtime!

5* Vick Ballard RB miss St- Ballard is a nice Sleeper RB who has solid size and could be a better pro then COllege Player if finds right situation** We like to give later round RB's chances and Ballard fits the description

6 mike Ryan OT UCONN-* A big expierenced tackle whos played left and right tackle and has decent feet from what i've seen and* is kinda in the mold of a Giants OT(gritty tough* strong* determined) We could use Depth at Tackle

7 Chandler Harnish- qb no illinois all read wrote about before


Man I wish we somehow got Titus Young in the 2011 draft. He would fit so well with these other guys.

U know im a huge fan of Peter Konz.. I would have no problem with the Giants selecting him.The other guys are all good players.Everyone is just sleeping on Travis Lewis ignoring he has been injured the whole year

Raptor22
12-12-2011, 12:35 PM
I coulden't wait to do this weeks mock after a victory for a change!!! What a great game !! We certainly got shredded deep though! Like i'd never seen in Fooball before!!!lol Anyhow I got us picking 25th this week after the WIN Up from pick 20 last week


1 Peter Konz C Wisconsin - We gotta solifify this positon with young talent! Konz is a load inside and a heck of a run blocker and we need that badly!

2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma- I know about his injuries but this kids got Pro Bowl potential and was looked at as a future 1st round just last yr! I can look past this injury season and see the value and upside in this pick!

3 Kawaan Short DT Purdue- Playmaker at the DT positon where we really gotta start getting more pressure from! Short Joseph and Austin form a potent Trio going forward fot the Giants(at least on paper)

4 Aaronn Henry S Wisconsin- A solid all around safety whos not a liability in Coverege but can also play the run Seems to have a nose for the ball wheater ind the air or on the ground and we gotta get depth at this positon bigtime!

5 Vick Ballard RB miss St- Ballard is a nice Sleeper RB who has solid size and could be a better pro then COllege Player if finds right situation We like to give later round RB's chances and Ballard fits the description

6 mike Ryan OT UCONN- A big expierenced tackle whos played left and right tackle and has decent feet from what i've seen and is kinda in the mold of a Giants OT(gritty tough strong determined) We could use Depth at Tackle

7 Chandler Harnish- qb no illinois all read wrote about before


Man I wish we somehow got Titus Young in the 2011 draft. He would fit so well with these other guys.

U know im a huge fan of Peter Konz.. I would have no problem with the Giants selecting him.The other guys are all good players.Everyone is just sleeping on Travis Lewis ignoring he has been injured the whole year

I love Lewis... I just hate the injuries. Considering how this team gets hit by injuries, particularly guys with NO injury history, I just wouldn't want to chance it. Lewis would be a fantastic addition if he could stay healthy. He's exactly the type of LB the team needs.

Spizi
12-12-2011, 01:00 PM
*I coulden't wait to do this weeks mock after a victory for a change!!!*** What a great game !!* We certainly got shredded deep though! Like i'd never seen in Fooball before!!!lol** Anyhow** I got us picking 25th this week after the WIN*** Up from pick 20 last week


1 Peter Konz C Wisconsin* - We gotta solifify this positon with young talent! Konz is a load inside and a heck of a run blocker** and we need that*** badly!

2 Travis Lewis OLB* Oklahoma-** I know about his injuries* but this kids got Pro Bowl potential and was looked at as a future 1st round just last yr!* I can look past this injury season and see the value and upside in this pick!*

3 Kawaan Short DT Purdue-* Playmaker at the DT positon*** where we really gotta start getting more pressure from! Short Joseph and Austin form a* potent Trio going forward fot the Giants(at least on paper)

4 Aaronn Henry S Wisconsin- A solid all around safety whos not a liability in Coverege but can also play the run*** Seems to have a nose for the ball wheater ind* the air or on the ground and we gotta get depth at this positon bigtime!

5* Vick Ballard RB miss St- Ballard is a nice Sleeper RB who has solid size and could be a better pro then COllege Player if finds right situation** We like to give later round RB's chances and Ballard fits the description

6 mike Ryan OT UCONN-* A big expierenced tackle whos played left and right tackle and has decent feet from what i've seen and* is kinda in the mold of a Giants OT(gritty tough* strong* determined) We could use Depth at Tackle

7 Chandler Harnish- qb no illinois all read wrote about before


Man I wish we somehow got Titus Young in the 2011 draft. He would fit so well with these other guys.

U know im a huge fan of Peter Konz.. I would have no problem with the Giants selecting him.The other guys are all good players.Everyone is just sleeping on Travis Lewis ignoring he has been injured the whole year

I love Lewis... I just hate the injuries. Considering how this team gets hit by injuries, particularly guys with NO injury history, I just wouldn't want to chance it. Lewis would be a fantastic addition if he could stay healthy. He's exactly the type of LB the team needs.


At this point if I was JR if any player has a prior injury I would take them off the draft board completely lol.

nycsportzfan
12-12-2011, 04:57 PM
I coulden't wait to do this weeks mock after a victory for a change!!! What a great game !! We certainly got shredded deep though! Like i'd never seen in Fooball before!!!lol Anyhow I got us picking 25th this week after the WIN Up from pick 20 last week


1 Peter Konz C Wisconsin - We gotta solifify this positon with young talent! Konz is a load inside and a heck of a run blocker and we need that badly!

2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma- I know about his injuries but this kids got Pro Bowl potential and was looked at as a future 1st round just last yr! I can look past this injury season and see the value and upside in this pick!

3 Kawaan Short DT Purdue- Playmaker at the DT positon where we really gotta start getting more pressure from! Short Joseph and Austin form a potent Trio going forward fot the Giants(at least on paper)

4 Aaronn Henry S Wisconsin- A solid all around safety whos not a liability in Coverege but can also play the run Seems to have a nose for the ball wheater ind the air or on the ground and we gotta get depth at this positon bigtime!

5 Vick Ballard RB miss St- Ballard is a nice Sleeper RB who has solid size and could be a better pro then COllege Player if finds right situation We like to give later round RB's chances and Ballard fits the description

6 mike Ryan OT UCONN- A big expierenced tackle whos played left and right tackle and has decent feet from what i've seen and is kinda in the mold of a Giants OT(gritty tough strong determined) We could use Depth at Tackle

7 Chandler Harnish- qb no illinois all read wrote about before


Man I wish we somehow got Titus Young in the 2011 draft. He would fit so well with these other guys.

U know im a huge fan of Peter Konz.. I would have no problem with the Giants selecting him.The other guys are all good players.Everyone is just sleeping on Travis Lewis ignoring he has been injured the whole year I still am holding out hope for Jerrell Jerrnigan If Titus was on our team he'd probably be sitting like Jerrell but he is a terriffic young player! As for Lewis I'll always take the chance to get a STUD all around LB like that in RD 2 based on the fact his numbers were down a bit because of injuries Shoot we have plenty of guys who get hurt who aren't supposedly injury prone so maybe getting a injury prone guy will change momentum lol

The more i think about it though I think mike ryan will be gone before we pick in the 6th

nycsportzfan
12-12-2011, 06:45 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!

Redeyejedi
12-12-2011, 06:59 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

Redeyejedi
12-12-2011, 07:03 PM
Kinda worried my Youtube page is going to get shut down.Put everything unlisted

BlueSanta
12-12-2011, 08:19 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

I remember that stat. But it was misleading anyways. Last year JPP lined up inside quite a bit. It is much more difficult to get after the QB from a DT position. Even this year when Osi was in and JPP went inside he was far less effective. However, last year since he was listed as a DE all his snaps for that stat counted as DE stats. I knew it wasnt gonna be accurate.

nycsportzfan
12-12-2011, 09:12 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

I remember that stat. But it was misleading anyways. Last year JPP lined up inside quite a bit. It is much more difficult to get after the QB from a DT position. Even this year when Osi was in and JPP went inside he was far less effective. However, last year since he was listed as a DE all his snaps for that stat counted as DE stats. I knew it wasnt gonna be accurate.
Those stats usually are not foretelling of the actual play on the field I watched the games and if u coulden't see this coming from JPP based on how he played last yr then u weren't watching him lol It wasen't because he showed nothing that we all thought he was prepared for a huge season thats for sure! Didn't they even have him in coverege from time to time as well last yr? JPP played fine last yr! I thought he would based on how quickly he picked up football through all his stops at diffrent levels of talent in a short period

nycsportzfan
12-12-2011, 09:16 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane Pretty sure he got more snaps as he went along last yr I mean we did have 2 veteran DE"s and Kiwi to start the yr He got more snaps becuase of the Kiwi injury and also becasue he then started to make plays It wasen't that he just didn't play well early on or anything he just didn't have the snaps and i'll give u it took him alittle while to pick it up but considering it was still his rookie yr and he was supposed to do nothing as a "raw" rookie and his snap count progressed considerably as the season wore on I think he did extremely good! I think U Just as well as most of us had a good idea this type season was coming from him just based on his Rookie season whcih kinda gives u a idea about how he did as the season and his getting real playing time wore on

Spizi
12-12-2011, 11:27 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length* combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him!*** Dudes a beast* and its not often i see guys who don't have a* TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP** was one guy i did!* Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what* 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball?**** He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels* and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has!* most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him**** but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels***** he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly!**** Great pick!


Ok Mr. Fortuneteller, tell me who is going to be this years JPP and while you're at it call Jerry Reese and let him know too lol.

Raptor22
12-12-2011, 11:27 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

Want something really scary/awesome to think about? Try this:

What if JPP is actually following something like a normal rookie learning curve? Moderate contributions year 1, steps forward year 2... and then a leap up in year 3 (and he'll actually have a full off/pre-season following a full year). And, he should be about done maturing... I think he's added about 15lbs since the start of last year, and I don't see any lack of speed.

Just think what it could mean if the past two games are just a stepping stone to something greater (and more importantly, what it could mean playing across from a healthy Tuck, with a healthy secondary behind him)...

Redeyejedi
12-12-2011, 11:42 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

Want something really scary/awesome to think about? Try this:

What if JPP is actually following something like a normal rookie learning curve? Moderate contributions year 1, steps forward year 2... and then a leap up in year 3 (and he'll actually have a full off/pre-season following a full year). And, he should be about done maturing... I think he's added about 15lbs since the start of last year, and I don't see any lack of speed.

Just think what it could mean if the past two games are just a stepping stone to something greater (and more importantly, what it could mean playing across from a healthy Tuck, with a healthy secondary behind him)...




Yeah that was the point of my post.Im saying he had his learning curve push forward by Kiwanukas injury. He wouldnt of played as many snaps last year had Kiwanuka not been injured.Hence he is a year ahead of schedule in his development. The best thing that happened to the Giants was letting him get on the field as much as he did because he learned the speed of the game. This year he came in and took off because he got to play so much last year because Kiwi was gone

Raptor22
12-13-2011, 12:25 AM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

Want something really scary/awesome to think about? Try this:

What if JPP is actually following something like a normal rookie learning curve? Moderate contributions year 1, steps forward year 2... and then a leap up in year 3 (and he'll actually have a full off/pre-season following a full year). And, he should be about done maturing... I think he's added about 15lbs since the start of last year, and I don't see any lack of speed.

Just think what it could mean if the past two games are just a stepping stone to something greater (and more importantly, what it could mean playing across from a healthy Tuck, with a healthy secondary behind him)...




Yeah that was the point of my post.Im saying he had his learning curve push forward by Kiwanukas injury. He wouldnt of played as many snaps last year had Kiwanuka not been injured.Hence he is a year ahead of schedule in his development. The best thing that happened to the Giants was letting him get on the field as much as he did because he learned the speed of the game. This year he came in and took off because he got to play so much last year because Kiwi was gone

I got that... Kiwi going down basically made is 1st year more like what he would have had if he was drafted by any team other than the Giants (ie: a team that didn't already have 3 great passrushing DE's).

But what if he still has the 3rd year leap ahead of him? How awesome (in the literal "Something that inspires an overwhelming feeling of reverence, admiration, fear, etc., produced
by that which is grand, sublime, extremely powerful, or the like: in awe
of God" sense of the word) would that be?

nycsportzfan
12-13-2011, 08:09 AM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!


Ok Mr. Fortuneteller, tell me who is going to be this years JPP and while you're at it call Jerry Reese and let him know too lol. Wow This is your contribution to this thread??? lol Why even come in here if its just to show us your on your time of the month again? We talk about tons and tons and tons and tons and tons of Prospects Sorry if we like to mention being right on something from time to time ! Idiot!

By the way you'll really love this! I called Victor Cruz the day we signed him as a UDF as a player to watch out for and not to be surprised if he made the team and Started a thread the Day of the JETS preseason game last yr titled " cruz is gonna break out in big way tonight" Does that make u angry that i mentioned this? I sure hope so!

nycsportzfan
12-13-2011, 08:17 AM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

Want something really scary/awesome to think about? Try this:

What if JPP is actually following something like a normal rookie learning curve? Moderate contributions year 1, steps forward year 2... and then a leap up in year 3 (and he'll actually have a full off/pre-season following a full year). And, he should be about done maturing... I think he's added about 15lbs since the start of last year, and I don't see any lack of speed.

Just think what it could mean if the past two games are just a stepping stone to something greater (and more importantly, what it could mean playing across from a healthy Tuck, with a healthy secondary behind him)...




Yeah that was the point of my post.Im saying he had his learning curve push forward by Kiwanukas injury. He wouldnt of played as many snaps last year had Kiwanuka not been injured.Hence he is a year ahead of schedule in his development. The best thing that happened to the Giants was letting him get on the field as much as he did because he learned the speed of the game. This year he came in and took off because he got to play so much last year because Kiwi was gone I here ya but the point is he contributed and played well as a rookie Certainly enough that we could all see this coming clear as day I didn't know the ones who said he was raw and gonna take awhile meant it was gonna be a whole 6games or so of his first Regular season lol To me when someone is supposedly so raw and what not coming outta college it means its gonna take em a yr or 2 before there playing fantastic football I think its safe to say that if u thought it was gonna take awhile for JPP to be a beast u were simply wrong No big deal though as in your case your right alot more then wrong on draft stuff

I do like bringing up our hits and misses as kinda a in good fun competitve thing between Giants mb draft nuts lol As much time as we put in on this stuff U gotta enjoy being right seeing how its so easy to be wrong lol

Redeyejedi
12-13-2011, 09:23 AM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

Want something really scary/awesome to think about? Try this:

What if JPP is actually following something like a normal rookie learning curve? Moderate contributions year 1, steps forward year 2... and then a leap up in year 3 (and he'll actually have a full off/pre-season following a full year). And, he should be about done maturing... I think he's added about 15lbs since the start of last year, and I don't see any lack of speed.

Just think what it could mean if the past two games are just a stepping stone to something greater (and more importantly, what it could mean playing across from a healthy Tuck, with a healthy secondary behind him)...




Yeah that was the point of my post.Im saying he had his learning curve push forward by Kiwanukas injury. He wouldnt of played as many snaps last year had Kiwanuka not been injured.Hence he is a year ahead of schedule in his development. The best thing that happened to the Giants was letting him get on the field as much as he did because he learned the speed of the game. This year he came in and took off because he got to play so much last year because Kiwi was gone I here ya but the point is he contributed and played well as a rookie Certainly enough that we could all see this coming clear as day I didn't know the ones who said he was raw and gonna take awhile meant it was gonna be a whole 6games or so of his first Regular season lol To me when someone is supposedly so raw and what not coming outta college it means its gonna take em a yr or 2 before there playing fantastic football I think its safe to say that if u thought it was gonna take awhile for JPP to be a beast u were simply wrong No big deal though as in your case your right alot more then wrong on draft stuff

I do like bringing up our hits and misses as kinda a in good fun competitve thing between Giants mb draft nuts lol As much time as we put in on this stuff U gotta enjoy being right seeing how its so easy to be wrong lol
Never said awhile I thought it would be year 3 before we saw this kind of production. He would of never played the snaps he had if Kiwi wasnt hurt in Week 3.He as a4th pass rusher playing maybe 20 snaps a game.Instead he got on the field playing twice that.You guys have selective memory but JPP was largley ineffective last year until the end of the season.

Redeyejedi
12-13-2011, 09:25 AM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

Want something really scary/awesome to think about? Try this:

What if JPP is actually following something like a normal rookie learning curve? Moderate contributions year 1, steps forward year 2... and then a leap up in year 3 (and he'll actually have a full off/pre-season following a full year). And, he should be about done maturing... I think he's added about 15lbs since the start of last year, and I don't see any lack of speed.

Just think what it could mean if the past two games are just a stepping stone to something greater (and more importantly, what it could mean playing across from a healthy Tuck, with a healthy secondary behind him)...




Yeah that was the point of my post.Im saying he had his learning curve push forward by Kiwanukas injury. He wouldnt of played as many snaps last year had Kiwanuka not been injured.Hence he is a year ahead of schedule in his development. The best thing that happened to the Giants was letting him get on the field as much as he did because he learned the speed of the game. This year he came in and took off because he got to play so much last year because Kiwi was gone I here ya but the point is he contributed and played well as a rookie Certainly enough that we could all see this coming clear as day I didn't know the ones who said he was raw and gonna take awhile meant it was gonna be a whole 6games or so of his first Regular season lol To me when someone is supposedly so raw and what not coming outta college it means its gonna take em a yr or 2 before there playing fantastic football I think its safe to say that if u thought it was gonna take awhile for JPP to be a beast u were simply wrong No big deal though <FONT size=4>as in your case your right alot more then wrong on draft stuff

</FONT>I do like bringing up our hits and misses as kinda a in good fun competitve thing between Giants mb draft nuts lol As much time as we put in on this stuff U gotta enjoy being right seeing how its so easy to be wrong lol
Still dont think im wrong because of the snap totals I was expecting but thanks</P>

nycsportzfan
12-13-2011, 10:02 AM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him! Dudes a beast and its not often i see guys who don't have a TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP was one guy i did! Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball? He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has! most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly! Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growthnow to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night is insane

Want something really scary/awesome to think about? Try this:

What if JPP is actually following something like a normal rookie learning curve? Moderate contributions year 1, steps forward year 2... and then a leap up in year 3 (and he'll actually have a full off/pre-season following a full year). And, he should be about done maturing... I think he's added about 15lbs since the start of last year, and I don't see any lack of speed.

Just think what it could mean if the past two games are just a stepping stone to something greater (and more importantly, what it could mean playing across from a healthy Tuck, with a healthy secondary behind him)...




Yeah that was the point of my post.Im saying he had his learning curve push forward by Kiwanukas injury. He wouldnt of played as many snaps last year had Kiwanuka not been injured.Hence he is a year ahead of schedule in his development. The best thing that happened to the Giants was letting him get on the field as much as he did because he learned the speed of the game. This year he came in and took off because he got to play so much last year because Kiwi was gone I here ya but the point is he contributed and played well as a rookie Certainly enough that we could all see this coming clear as day I didn't know the ones who said he was raw and gonna take awhile meant it was gonna be a whole 6games or so of his first Regular season lol To me when someone is supposedly so raw and what not coming outta college it means its gonna take em a yr or 2 before there playing fantastic football I think its safe to say that if u thought it was gonna take awhile for JPP to be a beast u were simply wrong No big deal though as in your case your right alot more then wrong on draft stuff

I do like bringing up our hits and misses as kinda a in good fun competitve thing between Giants mb draft nuts lol As much time as we put in on this stuff U gotta enjoy being right seeing how its so easy to be wrong lol
Never said awhile I thought it would be year 3 before we saw this kind of production. He would of never played the snaps he had if Kiwi wasnt hurt in Week 3.He as a4th pass rusher playing maybe 20 snaps a game.Instead he got on the field playing twice that.You guys have selective memory but JPP was largley ineffective last year until the end of the season. U yourself said by week 11 he was figuring it out though So if Kiwi played the first 3wk's it means he wasen't even getting any real snaps untill week 4 and that is only about 7wks before we were seeing solid production! The guy didn't start one game regardless of Kiwi being around or not! You were talking about JPP being ridiculously raw and gonna have to take awhile with any real production before u even knew the situation he was gonna be in So how were u to know he wasen't gonna go somewhere he was gonna be thrown right into the fire anyways? Like a team that didn't have Kiwi Osi and Tuck all ready playing ?
It just dosen't make sense to me that a guy whos supposedly so raw and gonna need all sorts of time can start producing after like 6-7 weeks? If thats the case i would never worry about a guy being raw or whatever as 7weeks to get results from your investment is nothing Why not just thrown a guy into the fire and let em get his learning period outta the way if its only gonna take such a short time?

Redeyejedi
12-13-2011, 04:18 PM
I knew Jason pIerre paul's arm length* combined with his athletic ability was gonna be a huge weapon for who ever drafted him!*** Dudes a beast* and its not often i see guys who don't have a* TON of expierence and think there gonna be good rather quickly in the NFL but JPP** was one guy i did!* Becasue of how quickly he produced from his what* 1yr of high school ball to 1yr of Community college to one yr of Bigtime college ball?**** He didn't need any time to pick it up at those levels* and i figured then that he was just one of those rare breeds of player that just has a calling card to play football and picks it up quickly and he has!* most were downright fearful of picking him in RD 1 as they thought he had BUST written all over him**** but because of how quickly he seemed to pick things up at his prior levels***** he grew on me and became a guy i wanted and thought would produce quickly!**** Great pick!
U have to remember JPP struggled for the first 10 games last year.He graded out last year as one of the worst pass rushers in the NFL.*He got way more snaps then he was supposed to because of Kiwis injury.This allowed him to work out the kinks and by week 11 he started to figure it out.Kiwis injury I believe pushed his development a year up. That being said the growth*now *to Year 2 has been staggering. To go from where he was at South Florida to the player that was on the field last night *is insane

Want something really scary/awesome to think about? Try this:

What if JPP is actually following something like a normal rookie learning curve? Moderate contributions year 1, steps forward year 2... and then a leap up in year 3 (and he'll actually have a full off/pre-season following a full year). And, he should be about done maturing... I think he's added about 15lbs since the start of last year, and I don't see any lack of speed.

Just think what it could mean if the past two games are just a stepping stone to something greater (and more importantly, what it could mean playing across from a healthy Tuck, with a healthy secondary behind him)...




Yeah that was the point of my post.Im saying he had his learning curve push forward by Kiwanukas injury. He wouldnt of played as many snaps last year had Kiwanuka not been injured.Hence he is a year ahead of schedule in his development. The best thing that happened to the Giants was letting him get on the field as much as he did because he learned the speed of the game. This year he came in and took off because he got to play so much last year because Kiwi was gone I here ya* but the point is he contributed and played well as a rookie*** Certainly* enough that we could all see this coming clear as day***** I didn't know* the ones who said he was raw and gonna take awhile* meant* it was gonna be a whole 6games or so of his first Regular season lol** To me when someone is supposedly so raw and what not* coming outta college****** it means its gonna take em a yr or 2* before there playing fantastic football****** I think its safe to say* that if u thought it was gonna take awhile for JPP to be a beast*** u were simply wrong**** No big deal though**** as in your case your right alot more then wrong on draft stuff****

I do like bringing up our hits and misses* as kinda* a in good fun competitve thing between Giants mb draft nuts lol** As much time as we put in on this stuff**** U gotta enjoy being right*** seeing how its so easy to be wrong lol
Never said awhile I thought it would be year 3 before we saw this kind of production. He would of never played the snaps he had if Kiwi wasnt hurt in Week 3.He as a*4th pass rusher playing maybe 20 snaps a game.Instead he got on the field playing twice that.You guys have selective memory but JPP was largley ineffective last year until the end of the season.* U yourself said by week 11 he was figuring it out though*** So if Kiwi played the first 3wk's** it means he wasen't even getting any real snaps untill week 4* and that is only about 7wks before we were seeing solid production!* The guy didn't start one game regardless of Kiwi being around or not!** You were talking about JPP being ridiculously raw and gonna have to take awhile with any real production before u even knew the situation he was gonna be in***** So how were u to know he wasen't gonna go somewhere he was gonna be thrown right into the fire anyways? Like* a team that didn't have Kiwi Osi and Tuck all ready playing ?***
*It just dosen't make sense to me that a guy whos supposedly so raw and gonna need all sorts of time can start producing after like 6-7 weeks?* If thats the case* i would never worry about a guy being raw or whatever as 7weeks to get results from your investment is nothing********* Why not just thrown a guy into the fire and let em get his learning period outta the way if its only gonna take such a short time?*
he did have lots of problems against the run which was my actual argument. I never said he couldnt contribute as a situational pass rusher or Blitzer. Either way he has exceeded my expectations to this point.

Redeyejedi
12-16-2011, 04:40 PM
Im thinking Bobby Wagner may be my number 1 SOLB target for the Giants. Here is a piece from Alo on Draftbreakdown.</P>


http://draftbreakdown.com/getting-to-know-bobby-wagner</P>

nycsportzfan
12-16-2011, 09:26 PM
Im thinking Bobby Wagner may be my number 1 SOLB target for the Giants. Here is a piece from Alo on Draftbreakdown.</p>


http://draftbreakdown.com/getting-to-know-bobby-wagner</p> Oh ya! Wagner is Def one of my fave sleepers and alot of Sleepers i like this early before the Draft do end up moving up in the Draft by the time it's here I thought Wagner could slip into the 4/5th rd of the draft back in October and i could easily see him being one of the surprises of the 3rd=4th round this season and outside shot of being this yr's Jonas mouton all though i still see Rd 3-4 more then going as a Top 50 prospect I Think that carmen messina also will be a 4th / early 5th guy at worst To be honest theres alot of solid looking LB prospects in the 3=5 range again this yr I could see a guy like Audie Cole Bobby Wagner Carmen messina Jerry Franklin being guys looked at a few yrs down the road and wondering why they went so late or behind Keenan Robinson or the Acho kid etc etc


Bobby Wagner is gonna be playing Ohio U tommorow by the way

ELIistheFRANCHISE
12-16-2011, 10:01 PM
Im thinking Bobby Wagner may be my number 1 SOLB target for the Giants. Here is a piece from Alo on Draftbreakdown.</P>


http://draftbreakdown.com/getting-to-know-bobby-wagner</P>


</P>


Redeye,</P>


What corners do you like coming out? And who do you think would be a good fit for us?</P>

nycsportzfan
12-17-2011, 07:14 AM
Im thinking Bobby Wagner may be my number 1 SOLB target for the Giants. Here is a piece from Alo on Draftbreakdown.</p>


http://draftbreakdown.com/getting-to-know-bobby-wagner</p>


</p>


Redeye,</p>


What corners do you like coming out? And who do you think would be a good fit for us?</p> I'll give Redeye a hand on this one because i'm sure hes got a similar list The obvious top guys are Claiborne Kirkpatrick Dennard and Jenkins all though there are 2 guys after that i think are gonna be sensational players and i would not be surprised to see both either in RD 1 or very early RD 2 and if they go later someones getting a steal! Casey Hayward CB Vandy and Chase minnifield CB Virginia Those 2 are the complete package!

heres some guys outside of the TOP 4 and the 2 i mentioned(claiborne kirkpatrick dennard jenkins hayward minnifield)

Stephon Gilmore CB S Carolina
Jayron Hosley CB Va Tech
Trumaine Johnson CB/S montana(solid sleeper)
Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
Donnie Fletcher CB B College
Shaun Prater CB Iowa(his teammate micah hyde is a beast but could return)
Leonard Johnson CB Iowa St( one of my TOP CB SLEEPERS)

Theres about 13 Corners right there with solid potential and i left out a handful of guys who i like as sleepers And i left out Jr's as well
Donnie Fletcher

tonyt830
12-17-2011, 12:30 PM
Im thinking Bobby Wagner may be my number 1 SOLB target for the Giants. Here is a piece from Alo on Draftbreakdown.</P>


http://draftbreakdown.com/getting-to-know-bobby-wagner</P>


</P>


Redeye,</P>


What corners do you like coming out? And who do you think would be a good fit for us?</P>


I'll give Redeye a hand on this one because i'm sure hes got a similar list The obvious top guys are Claiborne Kirkpatrick Dennard and Jenkins all though there are 2 guys after that i think are gonna be sensational players and i would not be surprised to see both either in RD 1 or very early RD 2 and if they go later someones getting a steal! Casey Hayward CB Vandy and Chase minnifield CB Virginia Those 2 are the complete package!

heres some guys outside of the TOP 4 and the 2 i mentioned(claiborne kirkpatrick dennard jenkins hayward minnifield)

Stephon Gilmore CB S Carolina
Jayron Hosley CB Va Tech
Trumaine Johnson CB/S montana(solid sleeper)
Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
Donnie Fletcher CB B College
Shaun Prater CB Iowa(his teammate micah hyde is a beast but could return)
Leonard Johnson CB Iowa St( one of my TOP CB SLEEPERS)

Theres about 13 Corners right there with solid potential and i left out a handful of guys who i like as sleepers And i left out Jr's as well
Donnie Fletcher
Hey nycsportzfan, living in SEC country I have seen a lot of Hayward and Boykin as well. I know Vandy is sometimes the forgotten in the SEC but every once in a while, they have a player or 2 that turns some heads. I like what I have seen from Hayward. I'm only an amateur when it comes to viewing talent. But Hayward was 3rd in the SEC in INTs this year and 2nd in passes defensed. I think I read somewhere that he is 2nd all-time for career INTs at Vandy. He is also pretty good in run support and was voted All-SEC 2nd team. Not bad playing in the same conference as Claiborne and Kirkpatrick. You think he would be a possible 3rd or 4th rd draft pick? If so and he is there, I would love to see the Giants grab him.</P>


</P>


But Boykin is another CB that I would not mind seeing in a Giants uni next season. He can return kicks as well as being a solid corner. Maybe a 3rd rounder? </P>


</P>


Either way, with Ross and Thomas being FAs and Thomas coming off a 2nd acl surgery on the same knee, I think the Gmen should look at some young talent at CB in the draft. I like Claiborne and Kirkpatrick, but like you said they may be gone by the time the Giants pick in the 1st rd. But who knows, right? There are other needs that should be addressed as well. I would be good with a O-line/LB/RB or CB, with the first 3 picks in the 2012 draft for the Giants.</P>

Redeyejedi
12-17-2011, 12:59 PM
3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</P>


San Diego State</P>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </P>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</P>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</P>


Wyoming</P>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS 6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</P>


Temple</P>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</P>


Utah State</P>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</P>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</P>


Ohio </P>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</P>


LA Lafyette-</P>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</P>


</P>


</P>

nycsportzfan
12-17-2011, 02:36 PM
3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</p>


San Diego State</p>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </p>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</p>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</p>


Wyoming</p>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS 6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</p>


Temple</p>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</p>


Utah State</p>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</p>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</p>


Ohio </p>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</p>


LA Lafyette-</p>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</p>


</p>


</p> U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least UDF status

Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands

Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009 Team Captain Voted mac 1st team by mac news media assosiation for 2011 Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr after getting 13 in 2009 and 3 and a half in 2010 Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns,
Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team
for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head
coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team
All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming
in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He
ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season,
with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in
forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss,
and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0.

nycsportzfan
12-17-2011, 02:40 PM
Im thinking Bobby Wagner may be my number 1 SOLB target for the Giants. Here is a piece from Alo on Draftbreakdown.</p>


http://draftbreakdown.com/getting-to-know-bobby-wagner</p>


</p>


Redeye,</p>


What corners do you like coming out? And who do you think would be a good fit for us?</p>


I'll give Redeye a hand on this one because i'm sure hes got a similar list The obvious top guys are Claiborne Kirkpatrick Dennard and Jenkins all though there are 2 guys after that i think are gonna be sensational players and i would not be surprised to see both either in RD 1 or very early RD 2 and if they go later someones getting a steal! Casey Hayward CB Vandy and Chase minnifield CB Virginia Those 2 are the complete package!

heres some guys outside of the TOP 4 and the 2 i mentioned(claiborne kirkpatrick dennard jenkins hayward minnifield)

Stephon Gilmore CB S Carolina
Jayron Hosley CB Va Tech
Trumaine Johnson CB/S montana(solid sleeper)
Brandon Boykin CB Georgia
Donnie Fletcher CB B College
Shaun Prater CB Iowa(his teammate micah hyde is a beast but could return)
Leonard Johnson CB Iowa St( one of my TOP CB SLEEPERS)

Theres about 13 Corners right there with solid potential and i left out a handful of guys who i like as sleepers And i left out Jr's as well
Donnie Fletcher
Hey nycsportzfan, living in SEC country I have seen a lot of Hayward and Boykin as well. I know Vandy is sometimes the forgotten in the SEC but every once in a while, they have a player or 2 that turns some heads. I like what I have seen from Hayward. I'm only an amateur when it comes to viewing talent. But Hayward was 3rd in the SEC in INTs this year and 2nd in passes defensed. I think I read somewhere that he is 2nd all-time for career INTs at Vandy. He is also pretty good in run support and was voted All-SEC 2nd team. Not bad playing in the same conference as Claiborne and Kirkpatrick. You think he would be a possible 3rd or 4th rd draft pick? If so and he is there, I would love to see the Giants grab him.</p>


</p>


But Boykin is another CB that I would not mind seeing in a Giants uni next season. He can return kicks as well as being a solid corner. Maybe a 3rd rounder? </p>


</p>


Either way, with Ross and Thomas being FAs and Thomas coming off a 2nd acl surgery on the same knee, I think the Gmen should look at some young talent at CB in the draft. I like Claiborne and Kirkpatrick, but like you said they may be gone by the time the Giants pick in the 1st rd. But who knows, right? There are other needs that should be addressed as well. I would be good with a O-line/LB/RB or CB, with the first 3 picks in the 2012 draft for the Giants.</p> I don't think hayward makes it outta RD 2/ very early 3rd round at latest Hes a exceptional CB who is underrated because he plays at vandy I would have no problem if the Giants took him in RD 2 as we need playmakers and hes one of the best playmakers in the country at the CB positon

I also like Boykin alot and have said that in the past Hes a guy i could see in the late 3rd 4th round and would certainly not mind Giants getting to fill Aaron Ross's spot on the team assuming he leaves in FA'cy

Leonard Johnson is a guy i love as a Sleeper for the CB positon and would not mind us getting him if hes still there in RD 4 and we haven't gone CB yet

nycsportzfan
12-17-2011, 05:36 PM
3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</p>


San Diego State</p>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </p>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</p>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</p>


Wyoming</p>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS 6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</p>


Temple</p>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</p>


Utah State</p>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</p>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</p>


Ohio </p>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</p>


LA Lafyette-</p>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</p>


</p>


</p> U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least UDF status

Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands

Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009 Team Captain Voted mac 1st team by mac news media assosiation for 2011 Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr after getting 13 in 2009 and 3 and a half in 2010 Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns,
Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team
for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head
coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team
All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming
in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He
ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season,
with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in
forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss,
and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0. Adrian Robinson looked great against WY!

Redeyejedi
12-17-2011, 07:07 PM
3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</p>


San Diego State</p>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </p>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</p>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</p>


Wyoming</p>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS *6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</p>


Temple</p>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</p>


Utah State</p>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</p>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</p>


Ohio </p>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</p>


LA Lafyette-</p>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</p>


*</p>


*</p> U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least* UDF status

Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season*** and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio****** Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands****

Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009***** Team Captain** Voted* mac 1st team* by mac news media* assosiation for 2011**** Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr** after getting** 13 in 2009* and 3 and* a half in 2010**** Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns,
Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team
for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head
coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team
All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming
in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He
ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season,
with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in
forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss,
and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0.* Adrian Robinson looked great against WY!*
That guy is so inconsistent.Sometimes he looks like a Top of the draft player and some times he looks like an UDFA

I did mention Brazil

Also I think the Temple guards both looked good

nycsportzfan
12-17-2011, 07:32 PM
u





3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</p>


San Diego State</p>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </p>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</p>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</p>


Wyoming</p>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS 6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</p>


Temple</p>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</p>


Utah State</p>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</p>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</p>


Ohio </p>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</p>


LA Lafyette-</p>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</p>


</p>


</p> U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least UDF status

Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands

Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009 Team Captain Voted mac 1st team by mac news media assosiation for 2011 Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr after getting 13 in 2009 and 3 and a half in 2010 Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns,
Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team
for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head
coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team
All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming
in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He
ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season,
with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in
forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss,
and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0. Adrian Robinson looked great against WY!
That guy is so inconsistent.Sometimes he looks like a Top of the draft player and some times he looks like an UDFA

I did mention Brazil

Also I think the Temple guards both looked good He may be inconsistent but hes certainly worthy of a late round Draft pick with upside I totally could see a team like the Ravens taking him in RD 6 or so He was sensational today!

ELIistheFRANCHISE
12-17-2011, 07:42 PM
u






3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</P>


San Diego State</P>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </P>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</P>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</P>


Wyoming</P>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS 6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</P>


Temple</P>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</P>


Utah State</P>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</P>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</P>


Ohio </P>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</P>


LA Lafyette-</P>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</P>


</P>


</P>


U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least UDF status

Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands

Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009 Team Captain Voted mac 1st team by mac news media assosiation for 2011 Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr after getting 13 in 2009 and 3 and a half in 2010 Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns, Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season, with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss, and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0. Adrian Robinson looked great against WY!
That guy is so inconsistent.Sometimes he looks like a Top of the draft player and some times he looks like an UDFA I did mention Brazil Also I think the Temple guards both looked good He may be inconsistent but hes certainly worthy of a late round Draft pick with upside I totally could see a team like the Ravens taking him in RD 6 or so He was sensational today!
</P>


nyc what about TEorson charles from Georgia , what do you think of him n what rd?</P>

nycsportzfan
12-17-2011, 11:35 PM
wow San Diego St is embaressing ! They make the dumbest mistakes i've seen!!!

Redeyejedi
12-18-2011, 02:17 AM
u






3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</P>


San Diego State</P>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </P>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</P>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</P>


Wyoming</P>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS 6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</P>


Temple</P>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</P>


Utah State</P>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</P>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</P>


Ohio </P>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</P>


LA Lafyette-</P>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</P>


</P>


</P>


U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least UDF status

Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands

Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009 Team Captain Voted mac 1st team by mac news media assosiation for 2011 Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr after getting 13 in 2009 and 3 and a half in 2010 Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns, Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season, with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss, and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0. Adrian Robinson looked great against WY!
That guy is so inconsistent.Sometimes he looks like a Top of the draft player and some times he looks like an UDFA I did mention Brazil Also I think the Temple guards both looked good He may be inconsistent but hes certainly worthy of a late round Draft pick with upside I totally could see a team like the Ravens taking him in RD 6 or so He was sensational today!
</P>


nyc what about TEorson charles from Georgia , what do you think of him n what rd?</P>


Charles is an outstanding receiver.He is the best pure receiver in the draft at the TE spot.Part of the reason he is such a good receiver is because he is basically a WR. 6'3" 230 is real small for a TE. i just dont see the giants drafting a guy like him.He has 2nd round talent though</P>


not sure if u saw this but i put this up not 2 long ago</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TqsdLRzk2g</P>

ELIistheFRANCHISE
12-18-2011, 02:36 AM
u






3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</P>


San Diego State</P>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </P>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</P>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</P>


Wyoming</P>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS 6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</P>


Temple</P>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</P>


Utah State</P>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</P>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</P>


Ohio </P>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</P>


LA Lafyette-</P>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</P>


</P>


</P>


U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least UDF status

Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands

Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009 Team Captain Voted mac 1st team by mac news media assosiation for 2011 Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr after getting 13 in 2009 and 3 and a half in 2010 Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns, Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season, with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss, and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0. Adrian Robinson looked great against WY!
That guy is so inconsistent.Sometimes he looks like a Top of the draft player and some times he looks like an UDFA I did mention Brazil Also I think the Temple guards both looked good He may be inconsistent but hes certainly worthy of a late round Draft pick with upside I totally could see a team like the Ravens taking him in RD 6 or so He was sensational today!
</P>


nyc what about TEorson charles from Georgia , what do you think of him n what rd?</P>


Charles is an outstanding receiver.He is the best pure receiver in the draft at the TE spot.Part of the reason he is such a good receiver is because he is basically a WR. 6'3" 230 is real small for a TE. i just dont see the giants drafting a guy like him.He has 2nd round talent though</P>


not sure if u saw this but i put this up not 2 long ago</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TqsdLRzk2g</P>


</P>


Yeah I agree needs about 2-3 more inches and about 20 more lbs for a prototypical TE in the NFL...would u take him in the 3rd if he was still there??</P>

Redeyejedi
12-19-2011, 11:52 AM
u






3 Bowl games today with small school guys.</P>


San Diego State</P>


QB-Ryan Lindley- + Arm Developmental QB prospect with accuracy issues </P>


LB-Miles Burris A player I like who has an eye popping 37 TFL over the last 2 seasons</P>


RB-Ronnie Hillman-One of the top RB's in Div1 I believe he will be declaring</P>


Wyoming</P>


Tashaun Gipson- Big corner/FS *6'0 200lbs who played very well against Boise State</P>


Temple</P>


Bernard Pierce-One of the better RB prospects in College Football</P>


Utah State</P>


Robert Turbin-Another underclassman RB who I believe is declaring</P>


Bobby Wagner-Maybe my favorite player playing today. 6'0 232 with long arms that can stack and shed. SOLB prospect that can blitz ,play sideline to sideline and can tackle well</P>


Ohio </P>


WR/KR- Lavon Brazil good KR YAC guy</P>


LA Lafyette-</P>


Ladarius Green TE-Heard alot of good things about his receiving skills but was left unimpressed in the one game against Troy i saw</P>


*</P>


*</P>


U got most of the main players but left a few out that could get Draft Consideration or at least* UDF status

Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Has 64recept 1042yrd 10td and 5rush 73yrd 1td on the season*** and is the bigtime threat in the recieving game for Ohio****** Pretty Speedy and has above avg hands****

Adrian Robinson DE Temple- First Team all mac and mac player of the yr in 2009***** Team Captain** Voted* mac 1st team* by mac news media* assosiation for 2011**** Leads owls in sacks with 6 this yr** after getting** 13 in 2009* and 3 and* a half in 2010**** Dude is a bit undersized for NFL DE but could be a late round pick for a 3/4 team or UDF for someone

Josh Biezuns DE Wyoming- 2011 ALL-MOUNTAIN WEST FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM (COACHES): DL Josh Biezuns, Sr., Wyoming, has been selected All-Mountain West Conference Second Team for the 2011 college football season as voted on by the eight head coaches and select media panel. Josh Biezuns earned Second Team All-Conference honors for the second consecutive season. He led Wyoming in tackles for loss, with 9.5, and in forced fumbles, with five. He ranked No. 3 in the MW in tackles among defensive linemen this season, with 60. Biezuns ranked No. 2 in the league and No. 8 in the nation in forced fumbles. He ranked No. 7 in the conference in tackles for loss, and ranked No. 9 in sacks, with 5.0.* Adrian Robinson looked great against WY!*
That guy is so inconsistent.Sometimes he looks like a Top of the draft player and some times he looks like an UDFA I did mention Brazil Also I think the Temple guards both looked good He may be inconsistent but hes certainly worthy of a late round Draft pick with upside**** I totally could see a team like the Ravens taking him in RD 6 or so** He was sensational today!*
</P>


nyc what about TE*orson charles from Georgia , what do you think of him n what rd?</P>


Charles is an outstanding receiver.He is the best pure receiver in the draft at the TE spot.Part of the reason he is such a good receiver is because he is basically a WR. 6'3" 230 is real small for a TE. i just dont see the giants drafting a guy like him.He has 2nd round talent though</P>


not sure if u saw this but i put this up not 2 long ago</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TqsdLRzk2g</P>


</P>


Yeah I agree needs about 2-3 more inches and about 20 more lbs for a prototypical TE in the NFL...would u take him in the 3rd if he was still there??</P>Not with these coaches.If we had a different coaching staff Id take him in a second.U put him on NE,GB, or the Saints this guy would kill it. For a team like that he has late first round pick value.

What i find frustrating is a lot of us on this board loved Jimmy Graham coming out and its amazing to me how all these teams missed the boat on him.

nycsportzfan
12-19-2011, 07:31 PM
Heres this weeks mock after another dispicable letdown game by a team that clearly needs to think about a new coaching staff and letting some of these Vets go or trade that have been here for along time and just are not getting it done I'm going heavy on the Defensive End in this mock!

1 Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- This guys gonna probably rise bigtime by Draftday but if were picking 18th and hes there We gotta get him! We need a legit pass rusher who can consistently get to the QB opposite JPP Whitney and JPP would be a dynamic pass rush DUO!

2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma- Obviously a young talented LB needs to be added and i remember just last yr Lewis being a 1st round talked about LB and i'm not letting a injury plaqued yr get in the way of my thought process This guys very good and has a nice all around skill set and is great value midway through the 2nd

3 Cliff Harris CB Oregon- Obviously we need speed in the secondary and a guy who can make plays on teh ball and as much upside as possible Harris is a unique talent who also can be involved in Returns and the upside is to high to pass up in the 3rd round I'd take harris and hope hes learned from his offfield mistakes If he has u may get yourself one heck of a corner!

4 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- I really like Aaron Henry and could see him as a starter in the NFL He comes from a Winning Program and has produced! Solid size and speed and is not a weakness against the pass or run Henry at worst adds depth to a Secondary that needs to play better

5 mike ryan OT Uconn- A big strong tackle that would be solid value in RD 5 and can really help the Run game Hes the kinda prospect that could end up being a starter in a few yrs or a pinch

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- A nice late Round RB prospect whos been a workhorser the small school hilltoppers He ranked 2nd nationally in per game rushing yards and is solidly fast Hes worth a shot this late in the Draft and all the top RB's off the board

7 Derek moye WR Penn St- One of the better WR's in the country who was plaqued by horrible QB play which will certainly drop him down to the last rounds or undrafted weather its his fault or not This is a guy who could easily find a niche in the NFL because of great hands size and smarts Hes really probably better then alot of more talked about WR's to be honest

Raptor22
12-20-2011, 11:25 AM
Heres this weeks mock after another dispicable letdown game by a team that clearly needs to think about a new coaching staff and letting some of these Vets go or trade that have been here for along time and just are not getting it done I'm going heavy on the Defensive End in this mock!

1 Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- This guys gonna probably rise bigtime by Draftday but if were picking 18th and hes there We gotta get him! We need a legit pass rusher who can consistently get to the QB opposite JPP Whitney and JPP would be a dynamic pass rush DUO!

2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma- Obviously a young talented LB needs to be added and i remember just last yr Lewis being a 1st round talked about LB and i'm not letting a injury plaqued yr get in the way of my thought process This guys very good and has a nice all around skill set and is great value midway through the 2nd

3 Cliff Harris CB Oregon- Obviously we need speed in the secondary and a guy who can make plays on teh ball and as much upside as possible Harris is a unique talent who also can be involved in Returns and the upside is to high to pass up in the 3rd round I'd take harris and hope hes learned from his offfield mistakes If he has u may get yourself one heck of a corner!

4 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- I really like Aaron Henry and could see him as a starter in the NFL He comes from a Winning Program and has produced! Solid size and speed and is not a weakness against the pass or run Henry at worst adds depth to a Secondary that needs to play better

5 mike ryan OT Uconn- A big strong tackle that would be solid value in RD 5 and can really help the Run game Hes the kinda prospect that could end up being a starter in a few yrs or a pinch

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- A nice late Round RB prospect whos been a workhorser the small school hilltoppers He ranked 2nd nationally in per game rushing yards and is solidly fast Hes worth a shot this late in the Draft and all the top RB's off the board

7 Derek moye WR Penn St- One of the better WR's in the country who was plaqued by horrible QB play which will certainly drop him down to the last rounds or undrafted weather its his fault or not This is a guy who could easily find a niche in the NFL because of great hands size and smarts Hes really probably better then alot of more talked about WR's to be honest


I would LOVE that draft. Harris in the 3rd would be a steal, and he'd make a great nickle/dime CB, and might just give the return game a spark.

The only part that worries me is Lewis. His injury history is enough to scare me away (considering this teams' injury problems). I'm not saying there's any S&amp;C problems in Giantsland, but just a general air of bad mojo. That being said, if Lewis can put it behind him, and Herz can return to form (which I don't want to bet against), The two of them + JWill could be a SCARY LB corp (and capable against the pass).

(Note: I'm also not writing of Sintim just yet. I'd want to see him in training camp/preseason before I'd cut him. He looked very good before he got hurt. Nice a fluid, and was actually good in coverage).


Edit: A couple alternates (after looking harder at Mercilus and thinking on Lewis some more): Melvin Ingram and Jared Crick.

I love watching SC's D-line play, and Ingram is a similar player to Tuck (IMO). Good burst, long arms, good motor, and the right size to be kicked inside. He needs to put on a bit of weight and could use some technique help, but this is a line that could nurture his positives. Mercilus' height might get him gone before the G-Men pick, so I would take Ingram in a heartbeat.

Crick proved to be just as productive sans Suh as with him. He's got great length at 6'6", but is light enough to get moved around as well. He's an explosive hitter who also has great quickness and mobility (not a bad thing to have in a DT/E when you have to play Vick/McCoy twice a year). Had he not been injured, he'd probably be a 1st rounder, but his weight + injury probably push him down.

Kase-1
12-20-2011, 01:25 PM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us

Redeyejedi
12-20-2011, 04:53 PM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL.* And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us

Burfict had an awful season.He over runs plays,has terrible instincts and didnt take to coaching while he was at ASU.

heavyhitter
12-21-2011, 09:56 AM
<font size="3">UNC standout WR Dwight Jones suspended and won't be playing in the Independence Bowl. I was actually looking forward to seeing him play in that game. Not sure where scouts have him projected to go in the draft but I would imagine in the first few rounds.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/e...56338/33973105 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33973105)</font>

heavyhitter
12-21-2011, 10:29 AM
<font size="3">Surprised nobody is talking about FSU CB Mike Harris. He was one of the top JUCO prospects in the nation before transferring to Florida State. Very versatile DB, great instincts, good tackler and always seems to be in the right place to make a play on the ball. Maybe not talked about a lot because he was the 3rd CB behind Greg Reid and Xavier Rhodes IDK? Call me crazy but I think Harris is a much better CB than Greg Reid, hands down. 6"0, 195 lbs, said to have run in the high 4.3's low 4.4's. Plays both inside and out and is a great cover corner. Definitely worth picking in the mid to later rounds IMO (if he's still on the board).

<span dir="ltr" class="title" title="FSU CB Mike Harris Senior Season Highlights (2012 NFL DRAFT STEAL!!!!!)">FSU CB Mike Harris Senior Season Highlights </span><span class="stat"><span class="yt-user-name " dir="ltr"></span></span><span class="stat view-count"></span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQASDlA6YY&amp;feature=related)</font>

GMENAGAIN
12-21-2011, 10:36 AM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
Burfict had an awful season.He over runs plays,has terrible instincts and didnt take to coaching while he was at ASU.
Other than that though, what do you think?

heavyhitter
12-21-2011, 10:37 AM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
<font size="3">The guy is a beast, an animal, top 10 talent for sure but has got some serious on-field character issues. Would have been playing for USC if not for academics. I can see him drafted as high as in the top 10 or as low as the 2nd round. All it takes is one team to fall in love w/ him. </font>

Raptor22
12-21-2011, 11:11 AM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
Burfict had an awful season.He over runs plays,has terrible instincts and didnt take to coaching while he was at ASU.
Other than that though, what do you think?

Burfict has great speed for his size, and hits a ton. However, he hasn't taken the time to learn the finer points of his position. He plays like he's been the biggest, strongest, fastest guy on the field his whole life, and hasn't needed anything else (which is probably true).

That's just not going to fly at the next level. Add in he penchant for fouls, and he could hand the opposing offense more yards than he prevents.

He's got all the physical tools to be another Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis, but if he doesn't get his mind right and develop the mental tools that those guys have, he'll be another Aaron Curry... but with James Harrison's track record. (in other words, he could wind up being the offenses best weapon).

IF he gets drafted into the correct situation (Ravens, Steelers, Bears), he could be an all pro. But if he doesn't, he could be a massive bust, and out of the league before his rookie contract is up.

Honestly, given the state of the Giants' LB corps, and the potential upheaval in the coaching staff, I'd MUCH rather have Kuechly, Zach Brown, Red**** (if he comes out), Travis Lewis, or maybe even Hightower.

Edit: Add Tank Carder to that list.

Kase-1
12-21-2011, 11:50 AM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
<font size="3">The guy is a beast, an animal, top 10 talent for sure but has got some serious on-field character issues. Would have been playing for USC if not for academics. I can see him drafted as high as in the top 10 or as low as the 2nd round. All it takes is one team to fall in love w/ him. </font>
So he's like Jimmy Smith from last year, cept Smith had the 'off-field' issues and Burfict has 'on-field' issues???

What kind of issues are we talking?? Complaining to the ref, unnecessary flags, mis-communication, stomping on people while theyre on the ground??

Raptor22
12-21-2011, 12:14 PM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
<font size="3">The guy is a beast, an animal, top 10 talent for sure but has got some serious on-field character issues. Would have been playing for USC if not for academics. I can see him drafted as high as in the top 10 or as low as the 2nd round. All it takes is one team to fall in love w/ him. </font>
So he's like Jimmy Smith from last year, cept Smith had the 'off-field' issues and Burfict has 'on-field' issues???

What kind of issues are we talking?? Complaining to the ref, unnecessary flags, mis-communication, stomping on people while theyre on the ground??


...He's head butted a ref when he didn't like the call. Go watch some of Redeye's tape of him in the Film Room topic. Like I said before. He has potential, but he has zero discipline, and not nearly as much football IQ as one would expect from such a highly touted prospect. He can't seem to figure out how to play hard within the rules.

thegreatone
12-22-2011, 02:58 AM
Heres this weeks mock after another dispicable letdown game by a team that clearly needs to think about a new coaching staff and letting some of these Vets go or trade that have been here for along time and just are not getting it done I'm going heavy on the Defensive End in this mock!

1 Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- This guys gonna probably rise bigtime by Draftday but if were picking 18th and hes there We gotta get him! We need a legit pass rusher who can consistently get to the QB opposite JPP Whitney and JPP would be a dynamic pass rush DUO!

2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma- Obviously a young talented LB needs to be added and i remember just last yr Lewis being a 1st round talked about LB and i'm not letting a injury plaqued yr get in the way of my thought process This guys very good and has a nice all around skill set and is great value midway through the 2nd

3 Cliff Harris CB Oregon- Obviously we need speed in the secondary and a guy who can make plays on teh ball and as much upside as possible Harris is a unique talent who also can be involved in Returns and the upside is to high to pass up in the 3rd round I'd take harris and hope hes learned from his offfield mistakes If he has u may get yourself one heck of a corner!

4 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- I really like Aaron Henry and could see him as a starter in the NFL He comes from a Winning Program and has produced! Solid size and speed and is not a weakness against the pass or run Henry at worst adds depth to a Secondary that needs to play better

5 mike ryan OT Uconn- A big strong tackle that would be solid value in RD 5 and can really help the Run game Hes the kinda prospect that could end up being a starter in a few yrs or a pinch

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- A nice late Round RB prospect whos been a workhorser the small school hilltoppers He ranked 2nd nationally in per game rushing yards and is solidly fast Hes worth a shot this late in the Draft and all the top RB's off the board

7 Derek moye WR Penn St- One of the better WR's in the country who was plaqued by horrible QB play which will certainly drop him down to the last rounds or undrafted weather its his fault or not This is a guy who could easily find a niche in the NFL because of great hands size and smarts Hes really probably better then alot of more talked about WR's to be honest

speed, dirty, nasty speed
1. Chase Minnefield CB Virginia while i would love whitney i think we have to get faster at the DB position. Not sure how spags got them to playh man so well but ever since he left it hasnt worked as well. Throw in coe,ross,TT, and bruce are all FA's and all but ross are coming off injury and imo DB makes a ton of sense. (ALT. Cordy Glenn OG Ala)

2.Tyler Eifert TE ND-we havent had a true playmaking TE since shockey. I think its time for another. While i love jake he is a little inconsistent at times and it could never hurt to have ler waiting in the wings. (ALT. Kelechi Osemele OG Iowa state)

3.Kevin Zeitler OG Wisc- gotta get this oline in order, its a joke. I trully think petrus future is at center (hopefully). (ALT. sean spence OLB U)

4.Andre Branch DE Clem- not sure why cbs sports has him rated this low but if we could get him here WOW what a steal. since i know there is no way he'll be here we'll go with my alt as the more "realistic: pick. (alt. TY Hilton WR FIU)

5.Tank Carder OLB TCU- we have a lot of potential at lb'r but idk if herz will ever return to form (although we are ALL pulling for him) and even though jones lost his job doesnt mean he is done. having said that i dont think it would hurt to add this guy to our corps

6.Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly- i love the rainey pick but id rather have more speed at the DB position. Of course depending on how our dbs recover and how many resign can change this pick but this much speed this late in the draft...take a shot.

7.Corey Moseley FS Virginia- little undersized height wise but has speed and lets face it a DB that is harder to see is a plus not a minus. oh and he is fast :)

Raptor22
12-22-2011, 05:10 PM
Matt Barkley decided to return to USC next year...

heavyhitter
12-22-2011, 07:40 PM
Matt Barkley decided to return to USC next year...<font size="3">Smart move if you ask me. He'll be the talk of CFB next year. Probably win Heisman, take USC to a major bowl game, break every USC passing record, and most importantly have a great shot a being the #1 overall pick.</font>

heavyhitter
12-22-2011, 07:47 PM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL. And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
<font size="3">The guy is a beast, an animal, top 10 talent for sure but has got some serious on-field character issues. Would have been playing for USC if not for academics. I can see him drafted as high as in the top 10 or as low as the 2nd round. All it takes is one team to fall in love w/ him. </font>
So he's like Jimmy Smith from last year, cept Smith had the 'off-field' issues and Burfict has 'on-field' issues???

What kind of issues are we talking?? Complaining to the ref, unnecessary flags, mis-communication, stomping on people while theyre on the ground??
<font size="3">Something like that. Look what happened w/ Jimmy Smith. He was a top 10 talent and fell to the back end of round 1. If Burfict is there for the Giants in round 2, you gotta take him, but I wouldn't take him in the 1st round. </font>

Redeyejedi
12-22-2011, 07:59 PM
I finally started to get a little interested in the draft (I usually wait until we're out of the playoffs, but its a slow week)

What do you guys think about Vontaze Burfict MLB from ASU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI)?? The guy looks like he has an ever-running motor and there were a few plays where he straight up blew up the OL.* And the guy seems to be the MIKE in a 4-3 D so that would be a nice and seamless transition for us
<font size="3">The guy is a beast, an animal, top 10 talent for sure but has got some serious on-field character issues. Would have been playing for USC if not for academics. I can see him drafted as high as in the top 10 or as low as the 2nd round. All it takes is one team to fall in love w/ him. </font>
So he's like Jimmy Smith from last year, cept Smith had the 'off-field' issues and Burfict has 'on-field' issues???

What kind of issues are we talking?? Complaining to the ref, unnecessary flags, mis-communication, stomping on people while theyre on the ground??
<font size="3">Something like that. Look what happened w/ Jimmy Smith. He was a top 10 talent and fell to the back end of round 1. If Burfict is there for the Giants in round 2, you gotta take him, but I wouldn't take him in the 1st round. </font>
Im more worried about how bad his instincts are.He freelances leaving his responsibility allowing teams to gauge them for big plays.

XxBigWhitxX
12-22-2011, 08:24 PM
Heres this weeks mock after another dispicable letdown game by a team that clearly needs to think about a new coaching staff and letting some of these Vets go or trade that have been here for along time and just are not getting it done**** I'm going heavy on the Defensive End in this mock!

1* Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- This guys gonna probably rise bigtime by Draftday but if were picking 18th and hes there** We gotta get him!* We need a legit pass rusher who can consistently get to the QB opposite JPP*** Whitney and JPP would be a dynamic pass rush DUO!

2 Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma-* Obviously a young talented LB needs to be added and i remember just last yr** Lewis being a 1st round talked about LB and i'm not letting a injury plaqued yr get in the way of my thought process*** This guys very good and has a nice all around skill set and is great value midway through the 2nd

3 Cliff Harris CB Oregon-* Obviously we need speed in the secondary and a guy who can make plays on teh ball and as much upside as possible**** Harris is a unique talent who also can be involved in Returns and the upside is to high to pass up in the 3rd round*** I'd take harris and hope hes learned from his offfield mistakes*** If he has* u may get yourself one heck of a corner!

4 Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- I really like Aaron Henry and could see him as a starter in the NFL** He comes from a Winning Program and has produced!** Solid size and speed and is not a weakness against the pass or run** Henry at worst adds depth to a Secondary that needs to play better

5 mike ryan OT Uconn-* A* big strong tackle that would be solid value in RD 5 and can really help the Run game*** Hes the kinda prospect that could end up being a starter in a few yrs or a pinch

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky-* A nice late Round RB prospect whos been a workhorser the small school hilltoppers*** He ranked 2nd nationally in per game rushing yards and is solidly fast*** Hes worth a shot this late in the Draft and all the top RB's off the board

7* Derek moye WR Penn St- One of the better WR's in the country who was plaqued by horrible QB play which will certainly drop him down to the last rounds or undrafted weather its his fault or not*** This is a guy who could easily find a niche in the NFL because of great hands** size and smarts* Hes really probably better then alot of more talked about WR's to be honest

speed, dirty, nasty speed
1. Chase Minnefield CB Virginia while i would love whitney i think we have to get faster at the DB position. Not sure how spags got them to playh man so well but ever since he left it hasnt worked as well. Throw in coe,ross,TT, and bruce are all FA's and all but ross are coming off injury and imo DB makes a ton of sense. (ALT. Cordy Glenn OG Ala)

2.Tyler Eifert TE ND-we havent had a true playmaking TE since shockey. I think its time for another. While i love jake he is a little inconsistent at times and it could never hurt to have ler waiting in the wings. (ALT. Kelechi Osemele OG Iowa state)

3.Kevin Zeitler OG* Wisc- gotta get this oline in order, its a joke. I trully think petrus future is at center (hopefully). (ALT. sean spence OLB U)

4.Andre Branch DE Clem- not sure why cbs sports has him rated this low but if we could get him here WOW what a steal. since i know there is no way he'll be here we'll go with my alt as the more "realistic: pick. (alt. TY Hilton WR FIU)

5.Tank Carder OLB TCU- we have a lot of potential at lb'r but idk if herz will ever return to form (although we are ALL pulling for him) and even though jones lost his job doesnt mean he is done. having said that i dont think it would hurt to add this guy to our corps

6.Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly- i love the rainey pick but id rather have more speed at the DB position. Of course depending on how our dbs recover and how many resign can change this pick but this much speed this late in the draft...take a shot.

7.Corey Moseley FS Virginia- little undersized height wise but has speed and lets face it a DB that is harder to see is a plus not a minus. oh and he is fast :)
1. Quinton Coples DE N.C. For some reason I see him falling an if he does he is a no brainer for Reese. Osi will most likely be gone, Tuck is to injury prone, and Tollefson is...well...Tollefson. Coples brings many of the some things that Tuck bring to the table like ability to play the run, and slide and be dominant from the inside as a DT.

2Peter Konz C WisconsinBaas isn't cutting it and I like what Petrus has shown in the couple games he has played and I think he will be the starter next season. Konz is a road grader at Center and has the athletic ability to snap and pull from the center spot and become a lead blocker. he has great size and comes from a school that provides premium O-lineman.

3. Xavier Rhodes CB FSU Has exceptional size for a CB at 6"2, is a sound tackler and provides good run support. also possesses exceptional agility and flexibility for a guy his size. been shutting down the opposing teams best WR all year.

4.A.J. Jenkins WR Illinois shifty wide out that would excel in the slot. runs good routes ad has enough wiggle to make defenders miss.

5. Nick Provo TE SyracuseBig Tight end with great hands and has the ability to improve as a blocker.

6. Tauren Poole RB Tennessee Has nice mixture of wiggle and power. also a nice receiver out of the backfield.

7. Toss up.

Redeyejedi
12-22-2011, 09:41 PM
Had to Boise lose to TCU?They are just dominating a Pac12 Team like there nothing

Redeyejedi
12-22-2011, 09:44 PM
Theres a Sack for Shea Mcclenin , thats 2 TFL already

Redeyejedi
12-22-2011, 10:04 PM
and the first 15 yarder of the night from Vontaze Burfict.The guy is benched he goes out there for 10 snaps and gets an unsportsmanlike penalty

Redeyejedi
12-23-2011, 12:12 AM
Doug Martin was incredible tonight against ASU would love to draft the Boise State RB

tonyt830
12-23-2011, 09:16 AM
Doug Martin was incredible tonight against ASU would love to draft the Boise State RBYeah I'm liking what I see out of Martin. Maybe a 3rd or 4th rd pick for the Giants? How about Nate Potter in the 3rd rd?


But yeah I had a little bit of a chuckle when I saw Burfict get his 15 yarder, and benched again---LOL!!! I really can see him dropping to the 2nd rd in the draft.

Redeyejedi
12-23-2011, 09:39 AM
Doug Martin was incredible tonight against ASU would love to draft the Boise State RBYeah I'm liking what I see out of Martin. Maybe a 3rd or 4th rd pick for the Giants? How about Nate Potter in the 3rd rd?


But yeah I had a little bit of a chuckle when I saw Burfict get his 15 yarder, and benched again---LOL!!! I really can see him dropping to the 2nd rd in the draft.Over 300 yards of total offense.He was far better then his rushing total would indicate.So many yards after contact.ASU actually did a good job containing him for the most part he just ran over guys. I like him because he can block some as well. So many of these RB's Ive watched this season cant block or dont block a lick.He looks a little like Bradshaw

Redeyejedi
12-23-2011, 02:17 PM
I was very impressed with Shea Mcclenin again last night who constantly beat whoever who was in front of him, Also ran step for step in man coverage with Kyle Middlebrooks the WR from ASU.
Also George Lloka really stood out. Safeties then can come up and play press coverage is a +.Really improved his draft stock at least in my eyes.
Billy Wynn looked good last night as well.
Nate Potter has LT upside but he needs a lot of work. Didnt have a good game last night

Redeyejedi
12-24-2011, 12:54 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>

ELIistheFRANCHISE
12-24-2011, 01:03 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>

thegreatone
12-24-2011, 11:19 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


</p>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>andre branch from clemson. kids a beast but i think his stock will soar coming up into the draft so not really sure where he'll be.

Redeyejedi
12-24-2011, 12:44 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


</P>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.

nycsportzfan
12-25-2011, 10:41 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


</P>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd.* Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..

Redeyejedi
12-25-2011, 12:36 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


</P>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd.* Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.

nycsportzfan
12-25-2011, 05:18 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith. ya we definetly disagree about Whitney then I see a bit more athletic ability then u do and i think Whitney is one of the bigger risers in this draft and goes in the teens We shall see

nycsportzfan
12-25-2011, 05:20 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>andre branch from clemson. kids a beast but i think his stock will soar coming up into the draft so not really sure where he'll be.
Andre Branch is another one i really like alot Also i'll add Julian miller to the mix Julian can get after the passer and also line up inside at DT like tuck has done for us throughout his career Vinny Curry is another one who has sky high potential all though i don't like him as much as mercilus branch or miller

nycsportzfan
12-25-2011, 05:23 PM
Doug Martin was incredible tonight against ASU would love to draft the Boise State RB I've all ready compared him to Ray Rice and i'll stand by that I absoulutley love Doug martin and have for awhile now He can do somany diffrent things for u as well

Redeyejedi
12-25-2011, 07:22 PM
Didnt say he wouldnt get drafted high.this draft is weak on the defensive side of the ball especially on the line.the guys i mentioned were picked high

heavyhitter
12-25-2011, 07:42 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>

nycsportzfan
12-25-2011, 10:15 PM
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Raptor22
12-25-2011, 10:24 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>andre branch from clemson. kids a beast but i think his stock will soar coming up into the draft so not really sure where he'll be.
Andre Branch is another one i really like alot Also i'll add Julian miller to the mix Julian can get after the passer and also line up inside at DT like tuck has done for us throughout his career Vinny Curry is another one who has sky high potential all though i don't like him as much as mercilus branch or miller


Mercilus, Branch, and Ingram are 3 guys I definitely would not mind seeing lined up in Blue next season. Ingram kinda reminds me of Tuck (and, like I've said before, I do like watching that SC line play. They're nasty).

Also, call me crazy but I think Jared Crick could be a wildcard. He could be a situational tackle (such as replacing Joseph in more obvious passing situations if you still want to keep some firepower against the run, or lining up outside at end in a heavy line). He's got a strange build for a tackle at 6'6", 285, but damned if he can't crush the QB (or whoever has the ball, really).

He'll probably get drafted as a 5-tech, but I think that with the right DC (Spags... &gt;_&gt;), he could be vicious in a 43.

Spizi
12-26-2011, 12:31 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd.* Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.

I feel the same way. The closest thing to JPP since JPP was Aldon Smith. And if we're going to get a DE why don't we just trade Osi and Tuck and sign Mario Williams in free agency? He's a proven vet.

nycsportzfan
12-26-2011, 06:49 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!

nycsportzfan
12-26-2011, 06:50 PM
UNC's Defense is trash! For so much supposed NFL talent they really suck! To many invisible men I would rather have Whitney mercilus then Quentin Coples

Redeyejedi
12-27-2011, 12:18 AM
*UNC's Defense is trash! For so much supposed NFL talent** they really suck!** To many invisible men* I would rather have Whitney mercilus then Quentin Coples****
Quinton Coples has been horrible this year.He has motor issues. I would be very worried about drafting him in the first round.He is better off getting a little bigger and becoming a 3-4 end.He is reminding me a lot of how Carlos Dunlap was.Remember he was looked at as a real high draft pick then slipped to the 2nd round because of motor issues.Dunlap had a better frame and more upside in my opinion then Coples.

nycsportzfan
12-27-2011, 07:35 AM
UNC's Defense is trash! For so much supposed NFL talent they really suck! To many invisible men I would rather have Whitney mercilus then Quentin Coples
Quinton Coples has been horrible this year.He has motor issues. I would be very worried about drafting him in the first round.He is better off getting a little bigger and becoming a 3-4 end.He is reminding me a lot of how Carlos Dunlap was.Remember he was looked at as a real high draft pick then slipped to the 2nd round because of motor issues.Dunlap had a better frame and more upside in my opinion then Coples. Worded perfectly I coulden't agree more

nycsportzfan
12-27-2011, 07:40 AM
What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25 where i think we are now? I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now Linval is progressing and we got Austin but Still is a beast ! Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol

nycsportzfan
12-27-2011, 08:41 AM
U guys want to be in for a treat go watch kawaan short dt purdue against w michigan today

nycsportzfan
12-27-2011, 08:36 PM
Jordan White WR W mich is a freaking beast! I have a feelinge hes going in the first 3rounds of the draft He kinda reminds me of Victor Cruz

Redeyejedi
12-27-2011, 09:03 PM
*Jordan White WR W mich is a freaking beast!* I have a feelinge* hes going in the first 3rounds of the draft*** He kinda reminds me of Victor Cruz
I thought the same thing when I rewatched that vid I made of him today.He had 16 catches against Toledo and 3 TD's in that one. He fumbled twice though

nycsportzfan
12-27-2011, 09:10 PM
Jordan White WR W mich is a freaking beast! I have a feelinge hes going in the first 3rounds of the draft He kinda reminds me of Victor Cruz
I thought the same thing when I rewatched that vid I made of him today.He had 16 catches against Toledo and 3 TD's in that one. He fumbled twice though13recept 259yrd 1td today against PURDUE Jesus! Dudes a beast! He reminds me of Cruz becasue of his aiblity to be a big play threat but also a complete WR who just knows how to get open Hes a dangerous WR! He may of jumped a few wr's with his performance today! I think he'll go before guys like Ryan Broyles and Jeff Fuller

Spizi
12-28-2011, 04:15 AM
* What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25******* where i think we are now?* I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now***** Linval is progressing and we got Austin*** but Still is a beast !* Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol


My favorite DT is Jerel Worthy because he has the potential to dominate. His first step is elite and he creates havoc in the backfield because of it. Now if we could get him in round 2 and straighten him out he could be a huge steal.

nycsportzfan
12-28-2011, 06:17 AM
What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25 where i think we are now? I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now Linval is progressing and we got Austin but Still is a beast ! Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol


My favorite DT is Jerel Worthy because he has the potential to dominate. His first step is elite and he creates havoc in the backfield because of it. Now if we could get him in round 2 and straighten him out he could be a huge steal. I don't like lazy players and as much as i like the upside i see Worthy as a lazy player He takes 2 many plays off and isn't involved in enough plays for a guy with his talent STILL is known for his motor and brings it every play and is a hard hitter and is involved all the time I'd take STILL over Worthy any day of the week I do see your point about the upside though!

nycsportzfan
12-28-2011, 06:18 AM
Congrats to Earl Thomas on his first Probowl selection! Also are guys of course! Boy it didn't take long for JPP to become a pro bowl stud!

Raptor22
12-28-2011, 10:13 AM
What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25 where i think we are now? I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now Linval is progressing and we got Austin but Still is a beast ! Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol


My favorite DT is Jerel Worthy because he has the potential to dominate. His first step is elite and he creates havoc in the backfield because of it. Now if we could get him in round 2 and straighten him out he could be a huge steal. I don't like lazy players and as much as i like the upside i see Worthy as a lazy player He takes 2 many plays off and isn't involved in enough plays for a guy with his talent STILL is known for his motor and brings it every play and is a hard hitter and is involved all the time I'd take STILL over Worthy any day of the week I do see your point about the upside though!


Here here...

I want players with a nonstop motor. Its that Drive that makes players great at the next level. That's why I've like Mike Martin. Great motor, and some serious power to his play too. I want players (not just defenders) who are just relentless.

And that's what soured me on Coples this weekend. I was hoping that his drop in play was a result of losing their head coach... but no. They were in the bowl game, but Coples play belonged in the Kohler Toilet Bowl.

On the plus side, Zach Brown looked pretty good. From what I was able to see, he was everywhere.

Redeyejedi
12-28-2011, 11:09 AM
* What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25******* where i think we are now?* I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now***** Linval is progressing and we got Austin*** but Still is a beast !* Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol


My favorite DT is Jerel Worthy because he has the potential to dominate. His first step is elite and he creates havoc in the backfield because of it. Now if we could get him in round 2 and straighten him out he could be a huge steal. I don't like lazy players and as much as i like the upside i see Worthy as a lazy player*** He takes 2 many plays off and isn't involved in enough plays for a guy with his talent**** STILL is known for his motor and brings it every play and is a hard hitter and is involved all the time*** I'd take STILL over Worthy any day of the week***** I do see your point about the upside though!
Worthy scares me.

Redeyejedi
12-28-2011, 11:13 AM
* What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25******* where i think we are now?* I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now***** Linval is progressing and we got Austin*** but Still is a beast !* Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol


My favorite DT is Jerel Worthy because he has the potential to dominate. His first step is elite and he creates havoc in the backfield because of it. Now if we could get him in round 2 and straighten him out he could be a huge steal. I don't like lazy players and as much as i like the upside i see Worthy as a lazy player*** He takes 2 many plays off and isn't involved in enough plays for a guy with his talent**** STILL is known for his motor and brings it every play and is a hard hitter and is involved all the time*** I'd take STILL over Worthy any day of the week***** I do see your point about the upside though!


Here here...

I want players with a nonstop motor. Its that Drive that makes players great at the next level. That's why I've like Mike Martin. Great motor, and some serious power to his play too. I want players (not just defenders) who are just relentless.

And that's what soured me on Coples this weekend. I was hoping that his drop in play was a result of losing their head coach... but no. They were in the bowl game, but Coples play belonged in the Kohler Toilet Bowl.

On the plus side, Zach Brown looked pretty good. From what I was able to see, he was everywhere.
Giants have enough players that dont play hard.Coples plays like a 5tech. He knows how to use his hands and leverage just not explosive at all.
My favorite player on there line is Sylvester Williams.

Redeyejedi
12-28-2011, 11:16 AM
James Michael Johnson of Nevada is one of my favorite Linebackers. Guy makes plays all over the field

Redeyejedi
12-28-2011, 11:21 AM
Zach Brown 6-2 220 WLB- Brown hasnt played much but he is one of those guys that I could see coming from nowhere and become a first round pick. Brown timed out twice a 4.28 40 on 4 of 5 stop watches at the spring practices. He obviously needs to gain more weight but the tools are certainly there. Brown was a highly sought after recruit that should play a bigger role this year

I dont want to toot my own horn but that was before anybody knew who he was before the 2010 CFB season

Spizi
12-28-2011, 02:11 PM
* What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25******* where i think we are now?* I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now***** Linval is progressing and we got Austin*** but Still is a beast !* Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol


My favorite DT is Jerel Worthy because he has the potential to dominate. His first step is elite and he creates havoc in the backfield because of it. Now if we could get him in round 2 and straighten him out he could be a huge steal. I don't like lazy players and as much as i like the upside i see Worthy as a lazy player*** He takes 2 many plays off and isn't involved in enough plays for a guy with his talent**** STILL is known for his motor and brings it every play and is a hard hitter and is involved all the time*** I'd take STILL over Worthy any day of the week***** I do see your point about the upside though!


haha Worthy is lazy as **** and yeah still over him any day.

Spizi
12-28-2011, 02:29 PM
* What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25******* where i think we are now?* I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now***** Linval is progressing and we got Austin*** but Still is a beast !* Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol


If we CAN sign Curtis Lofton or Stephen Tulloch, I'm all for drafting still in the 1st. We need a dominant DT because everything starts up front.

nycsportzfan
12-28-2011, 05:04 PM
What do u guys think of Devon Still in RD 1 if were picking say 25 where i think we are now? I like Still and forgot about him the other day when i brought up the guys i was hoping for if we pick where we are slated right now Linval is progressing and we got Austin but Still is a beast ! Linval Still and Austin would be a sick trio to rotate in and out for yrs to come!



God i gotta get a new computer! These few buttons that don't work make it tough to post lol


My favorite DT is Jerel Worthy because he has the potential to dominate. His first step is elite and he creates havoc in the backfield because of it. Now if we could get him in round 2 and straighten him out he could be a huge steal. I don't like lazy players and as much as i like the upside i see Worthy as a lazy player He takes 2 many plays off and isn't involved in enough plays for a guy with his talent STILL is known for his motor and brings it every play and is a hard hitter and is involved all the time I'd take STILL over Worthy any day of the week I do see your point about the upside though!


Here here...

I want players with a nonstop motor. Its that Drive that makes players great at the next level. That's why I've like Mike Martin. Great motor, and some serious power to his play too. I want players (not just defenders) who are just relentless.

And that's what soured me on Coples this weekend. I was hoping that his drop in play was a result of losing their head coach... but no. They were in the bowl game, but Coples play belonged in the Kohler Toilet Bowl.

On the plus side, Zach Brown looked pretty good. From what I was able to see, he was everywhere.
Ya zach brown is a fine LB Outta all the NC players hes the only one that really does anything for me

nycsportzfan
12-28-2011, 05:36 PM
ERic Page WR Toledo is really something

heavyhitter
12-28-2011, 09:37 PM
Thoughts on LB Nigel Bradham and where he will be drafted? Florida State vs Notre Dame tomorrow, should be a good one.

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 06:41 PM
Thoughts on LB Nigel Bradham and where he will be drafted? Florida State vs Notre Dame tomorrow, should be a good one.


He has flashes of great play. A very streaky player. His coaches rave about his leadership and the FSU defense did suffer a lot when he was out for a bit earlier this year.

However, I have to wait till the combine with this kid to let team docs get a look at him. There is a rumor that he has an interesting medical condition. It may only be a rumor and it is correctable if it is true but it would hurt his draft stock a good bit.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 06:59 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 06:59 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:00 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.
great minds think alike! Fla St's offense is dreadful!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:01 PM
I'd be surprised if Fla St scores in this game

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 07:07 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!
Not sure what you don't understand about freshman? Pretty self explanatory if you ask me. Last year around this time these kids were playing HS Football. Florida State is a very young football team. Their Freshman RT Bobby Hart is only 17 years old.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 07:10 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.
great minds think alike! Fla St's offense is dreadful!
They actually have a lot of talent on offense, but they have got to protect their QB.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:11 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!
Not sure what you don't understand about freshman? Pretty self explanatory if you ask me. Last year around this time these kids were playing HS Football. Florida State is a very young football team. Their Freshman RT Bobby Hart is only 17 years old.
uhhh Its the bowl game!!!lol There not Freshman anymore! THey've been here for a Entire season and there getting just lambasted! I see alot of freshman play and units filled with freshman and this Oline unit is downright dreadful! I don't care how old dude is! Hes been here for a entire season playing against this Fla St team in practice and is obviously supposedly pretty good hence being at Fla St U would expect troubles but not just totally embaressed

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:13 PM
This Fla St Offense flat out sucks! Ej manuel can't throw a crisp pass to save his life and there oline is in shambles and they have no real killer WR or RB and i don't even know who there TE is?? A lousy unit to say the least!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:16 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.
great minds think alike! Fla St's offense is dreadful!
They actually have a lot of talent on offense, but they have got to protect their QB.
I don't know man EJ didn't look all to impressive against Fla or Virginia and has very few stand out games I know they don't have Andrew Datko but at some point they did and i still don't see any games where your like "whoa this EJ kid is really good!" Of course im talking about teams that have at least a tad bit of talent and not bum squads like NC STATE or DUKE

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:23 PM
This Fla St offense is hard to stomach! Those freshman have got to be playing the worst football i've ever seen a group of freshman play in my life ! There utterly useless out there I litteraly have yet to see them do anything good Tough to watch

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 07:27 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.
great minds think alike! Fla St's offense is dreadful!
They actually have a lot of talent on offense, but they have got to protect their QB.
I don't know man EJ didn't look all to impressive against Fla or Virginia and has very few stand out games I know they don't have Andrew Datko but at some point they did and i still don't see any games where your like "whoa this EJ kid is really good!" Of course im talking about teams that have at least a tad bit of talent and not bum squads like NC STATE or DUKE
Look man, EJ Manuel is a good QB (not great) but he needs some protection from his O-Line and anyone watching this game can see that.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 07:33 PM
Really like Lamarcus Joyners' style of play at saftey for FSU. He's all over the place this game. Reminds me of Bob Sanders.

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 07:38 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever. They are the definition of freshman.

But, all the stars on FSU are on defense. There are 2 offensive freshman who are going to be good, but thats a few years from happening.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:38 PM
Really like Lamarcus Joyners' style of play at saftey for FSU. He's all over the place this game. Reminds me of Bob Sanders.
ya hes really good! Theres nothing wrong with that Defense THere good! Its the offense that lags behind with no real studs anywhere

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:40 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 07:42 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.
great minds think alike! Fla St's offense is dreadful!
They actually have a lot of talent on offense, but they have got to protect their QB.
I don't know man EJ didn't look all to impressive against Fla or Virginia and has very few stand out games I know they don't have Andrew Datko but at some point they did and i still don't see any games where your like "whoa this EJ kid is really good!" Of course im talking about teams that have at least a tad bit of talent and not bum squads like NC STATE or DUKE
Look man, EJ Manuel is a good QB (not great) but he needs some protection from his O-Line and anyone watching this game can see that.


EJ is athletic but extremely dumb. He has some horrendously stupid mistakes this year.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:43 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.
great minds think alike! Fla St's offense is dreadful!
They actually have a lot of talent on offense, but they have got to protect their QB.
I don't know man EJ didn't look all to impressive against Fla or Virginia and has very few stand out games I know they don't have Andrew Datko but at some point they did and i still don't see any games where your like "whoa this EJ kid is really good!" Of course im talking about teams that have at least a tad bit of talent and not bum squads like NC STATE or DUKE
Look man, EJ Manuel is a good QB (not great) but he needs some protection from his O-Line and anyone watching this game can see that.
Oh i agree BUt regardless he hasen't show much even when hes got a healthy line Hes very inaccurate and dosen't run as well as you'd think Seems he has no confidence in his throwing ability I'd be surprised if he was anything more then a later round draft pick Topping out in the 5th round area Just my opinion

There Defesne is great though!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:43 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.
great minds think alike! Fla St's offense is dreadful!
They actually have a lot of talent on offense, but they have got to protect their QB.
I don't know man EJ didn't look all to impressive against Fla or Virginia and has very few stand out games I know they don't have Andrew Datko but at some point they did and i still don't see any games where your like "whoa this EJ kid is really good!" Of course im talking about teams that have at least a tad bit of talent and not bum squads like NC STATE or DUKE
Look man, EJ Manuel is a good QB (not great) but he needs some protection from his O-Line and anyone watching this game can see that.


EJ is athletic but extremely dumb. He has some horrendously stupid mistakes this year.
agreed

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 07:44 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:44 PM
wow manuel just took a Sack that he had no bussiness taking! Hes to skittish and falls to easy for a big guy I don't like anything about his game

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:47 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 07:48 PM
If you talk FSU, you need to look at their defense and their special teams.

There are about 8 guys on that defense who may end up in the NFL, maybe more. A bunch of them are too young to come out this year though.


The special teams is amazing as well. That punter leads the nation in gross AND net punting....how rare is that?


Greg Reid is 1 of the best punt returners of the last decade.

And they have a very good place kicker as well.


On offense Davtone Freeman is going to be a very good back in a couple years. But he is still in diapers right now. And of course, Nick O'leary is going to be a good TE. But, these 2 guys are way too green to carry an offense right now.

They either win on defense/special teams or not at all.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 07:49 PM
I'd be surprised if Fla St scores in this game
I think i'm gonna be right on with this one LOL

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 07:52 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

Hate to tell you, 4th string freshman guards who would have never even dressed for games had there not been massive injuries do not practice against 1st string all americans all year long.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 07:56 PM
I realize Florida State has got 4 freshmen starting on their O-Line but they've gotta step up their play if they want to win this game. They are not helping out EJ Manuel one bit. Defense has looked good so far.
great minds think alike! Fla St's offense is dreadful!
They actually have a lot of talent on offense, but they have got to protect their QB.
I don't know man EJ didn't look all to impressive against Fla or Virginia and has very few stand out games I know they don't have Andrew Datko but at some point they did and i still don't see any games where your like "whoa this EJ kid is really good!" Of course im talking about teams that have at least a tad bit of talent and not bum squads like NC STATE or DUKE
Look man, EJ Manuel is a good QB (not great) but he needs some protection from his O-Line and anyone watching this game can see that.
Oh i agree BUt regardless he hasen't show much even when hes got a healthy line Hes very inaccurate and dosen't run as well as you'd think Seems he has no confidence in his throwing ability I'd be surprised if he was anything more then a later round draft pick Topping out in the 5th round area Just my opinion

<font size="3">There Defesne is great though!</font>
Yeah, they've got a really good defense. Call it a homer statement or whatever you want but I think Florida State has got the 3rd best overall defense in CFB. If they could only move the ball on offense and score some damn points.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:08 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

Hate to tell you, 4th string freshman guards who would have never even dressed for games had there not been massive injuries do not practice against 1st string all americans all year long.
THat would be fine if we were talking about 4th string Guards lol Looking at there depth chart I'm not seeing anyone whos 4th string to even start the season outta this group Especially guys like Bobby Hart whos been dreadful

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 08:21 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

Hate to tell you, 4th string freshman guards who would have never even dressed for games had there not been massive injuries do not practice against 1st string all americans all year long.
THat would be fine if we were talking about 4th string Guards lol Looking at there depth chart I'm not seeing anyone whos 4th string to even start the season outta this group <font size="3">Especially guys like Bobby Hart whos been dreadful</font>
The kid is a 17 year old freshman sportzfan, take it easy on the young fella. He'll get better, a lot better in time (believe that) and you will see him starting in the NFL one day.

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 08:25 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

Hate to tell you, 4th string freshman guards who would have never even dressed for games had there not been massive injuries do not practice against 1st string all americans all year long.
THat would be fine if we were talking about 4th string Guards lol Looking at there depth chart I'm not seeing anyone whos 4th string to even start the season outta this group Especially guys like Bobby Hart whos been dreadful

Lets talk about Bobby Hart then....

He was not even listed on the depth chart at the start of the season. There were 5 listed tackles(3 left tackles) none of which was Hart. So, that makes him AT BEST 4th string. Feel free to verify it here (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2011/08/prediction-florida-states-opening-week-depth-chart.html). Thank you for proving my point.

He was 16 years old at the start of the season. He turned 17 in September.

He is playing against very good ND defensive line.

Your being a little hard.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 08:26 PM
Damn, that's not good having CB Xavier Rhodes out. Time for Mike Harris to step up.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 08:32 PM
Greg Reid looks like he has no clue where he's at after falling on his head like that. Hope he's ok, could be a concussion.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:34 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

Hate to tell you, 4th string freshman guards who would have never even dressed for games had there not been massive injuries do not practice against 1st string all americans all year long.
THat would be fine if we were talking about 4th string Guards lol Looking at there depth chart I'm not seeing anyone whos 4th string to even start the season outta this group Especially guys like Bobby Hart whos been dreadful

Lets talk about Bobby Hart then....

He was not even listed on the depth chart at the start of the season. There were 5 listed tackles(3 left tackles) none of which was Hart. So, that makes him AT BEST 4th string. Feel free to verify it here (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2011/08/prediction-florida-states-opening-week-depth-chart.html). Thank you for proving my point.

He was 16 years old at the start of the season. He turned 17 in September.

He is playing against very good ND defensive line.

Your being a little hard.


Bobby Hart has started 8games this yr for godsake LOL Hes not a 4th string Tackle LOL U do realize theres 2tackles spots right? And ND's D Line is not good at all Its averege at best Everyone moves the ball on ND In fact FLA ST is gonna probably score less points then anyone of ND's opponets on the season

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 08:35 PM
Gotta love em. Lamarcus Joyner nearly broke that for a TD. All around great game for Joyner.

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:36 PM
This Fla St run game is straight garbage!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:37 PM
wow this team is trash! Fla St is straight trash! Looks like the same offense that coulden't do squat against FLA and VIRGINIA Pathetic!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:37 PM
Fla St coulden't score if u put em on the 1 with 5downs! Useless!

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 08:42 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

Hate to tell you, 4th string freshman guards who would have never even dressed for games had there not been massive injuries do not practice against 1st string all americans all year long.
THat would be fine if we were talking about 4th string Guards lol Looking at there depth chart I'm not seeing anyone whos 4th string to even start the season outta this group Especially guys like Bobby Hart whos been dreadful

Lets talk about Bobby Hart then....

He was not even listed on the depth chart at the start of the season. There were 5 listed tackles(3 left tackles) none of which was Hart. So, that makes him AT BEST 4th string. Feel free to verify it here (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2011/08/prediction-florida-states-opening-week-depth-chart.html). Thank you for proving my point.

He was 16 years old at the start of the season. He turned 17 in September.

He is playing against very good ND defensive line.

Your being a little hard.


Bobby Hart has started 8games this yr for godsake LOL Hes not a 4th string Tackle LOL U do realize theres 2tackles spots right?<font size="3"> And ND's D Line is not good at all Its averege at best</font> Everyone moves the ball on ND In fact FLA ST is gonna probably score less points then anyone of ND's opponets on the season
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/iw7mkn.gif

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 08:46 PM
wow this team is trash! Fla St is straight trash! Looks like the same offense that coulden't do squat against FLA and VIRGINIA Pathetic!
Sportzfan, you seem pretty pissed. How much did you bet on this game, lol??

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:49 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

Hate to tell you, 4th string freshman guards who would have never even dressed for games had there not been massive injuries do not practice against 1st string all americans all year long.
THat would be fine if we were talking about 4th string Guards lol Looking at there depth chart I'm not seeing anyone whos 4th string to even start the season outta this group Especially guys like Bobby Hart whos been dreadful

Lets talk about Bobby Hart then....

He was not even listed on the depth chart at the start of the season. There were 5 listed tackles(3 left tackles) none of which was Hart. So, that makes him AT BEST 4th string. Feel free to verify it here (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2011/08/prediction-florida-states-opening-week-depth-chart.html). Thank you for proving my point.

He was 16 years old at the start of the season. He turned 17 in September.

He is playing against very good ND defensive line.

Your being a little hard.


Bobby Hart has started 8games this yr for godsake LOL Hes not a 4th string Tackle LOL U do realize theres 2tackles spots right?<font size="3"> And ND's D Line is not good at all Its averege at best</font> Everyone moves the ball on ND In fact FLA ST is gonna probably score less points then anyone of ND's opponets on the season
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/iw7mkn.gif Watched Every ND game this yr Extremely AVG outside of Aaron Lynch whos got big potential They play some crap teams but outside of the crap teams THey gave up big yardage( S Fla Wolverines Spartans USC Stanford) Sure they did ok against Boston College and Navy LoL Thats about it Wake Forest moved the ball well against em etc The Terps ran on em If they played crap teams like BC all yr they'd of played well but against any type of good team offensively they did not do well This is by far the best game defensively that ND has played all yr long

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:51 PM
wow this team is trash! Fla St is straight trash! Looks like the same offense that coulden't do squat against FLA and VIRGINIA Pathetic!
Sportzfan, you seem pretty pissed. How much did you bet on this game, lol??
2 much lol THe worst part is i loved ND but changed because of some stupid websites I just want Fla St to win by 3 and push but there not scoring a TD in this game NO WAY!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:52 PM
jeez FLA ST has more ST's yards then from scrimmage lol wowsers!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 08:53 PM
That was a nice completion there by FLA ST but if EJ didn't overthrow it it would of been a TD

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 08:55 PM
Love it, Rashad Green w/ the big catch. Btw, he's a freshman also sportzfan. He's probably trash too, right?

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 09:03 PM
Why do they still talk about Freshman like there still freshman? I mean were how far into the season now? There basically sophmores now Not to mention if u can play U can play! Right now Fla St's Oline looks to be in very bad hands on the interior as they are just being dismantled! Te'o is gonna have 4sacks in this game against this wack unit!


2 of those guys on FSU's Oline are staring their 1st game ever.
Thats fine and dandy Ive seen freshman start the first game ever on the first game of the season of there freshman yr and do better then this unit's doing There is no excuse to be as bad as they are They've been a part of this football team for a full season now and that is a TON of practice and i understand its not just like a Game but they should be a bit more prepared then they seem to be They are playing pathetically!


I agree they are garbage. But you said they arent freshman at this piont in the season because of all the playtime they have had. Thats not true. FSU has lost 7 offensive lineman to injury this year. 2 of those guys have barely played this year if at all. Those guys are the definition of freshman.
I never once mentioned there playtime in any post I'm just saying they have been with the team for a full season going against guys like Brandon Jenkins and they are absoulutley no better today then they would of been if they started Day 1 agaisnt Charleston Southern or whoever they opened up against I don't see alot of promise in this group of interior lineman judged by how bad they are with a full season of practice and video studying

Hate to tell you, 4th string freshman guards who would have never even dressed for games had there not been massive injuries do not practice against 1st string all americans all year long.
THat would be fine if we were talking about 4th string Guards lol Looking at there depth chart I'm not seeing anyone whos 4th string to even start the season outta this group Especially guys like Bobby Hart whos been dreadful

Lets talk about Bobby Hart then....

He was not even listed on the depth chart at the start of the season. There were 5 listed tackles(3 left tackles) none of which was Hart. So, that makes him AT BEST 4th string. Feel free to verify it here (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2011/08/prediction-florida-states-opening-week-depth-chart.html). Thank you for proving my point.

He was 16 years old at the start of the season. He turned 17 in September.

He is playing against very good ND defensive line.

Your being a little hard.


Bobby Hart has started 8games this yr for godsake LOL Hes not a 4th string Tackle LOL U do realize theres 2tackles spots right? And ND's D Line is not good at all Its averege at best Everyone moves the ball on ND In fact FLA ST is gonna probably score less points then anyone of ND's opponets on the season


I dont get what your saying. I am not argueing any point about FL state in general. Their offense is abysmal I already said that.

Im saying your being way hard on a KID. A KID who just turned 17.......

Now, let me quote you


Looking at there depth chart I'm not
seeing anyone whos 4th string to even start the season outta this
group Especially guys like Bobby Hart whos been dreadful


You obviously made that up because as I linked above[/url] in [url="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2011/08/prediction-florida-states-opening-week-depth-chart.html"]this depth chart from the start of the season (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college_fsu/2011/08/prediction-florida-states-opening-week-depth-chart.html), Hart isnt listed on the depth chart top 3 left tackle(or right). In fact, he isnt listed at all. Which PROVES my point that they are starting 4th stringer. So THANK YOU for bringing him up.

Fl state has had 7 different starting combinations along the line. They lost 2 offensive lineman for the year in camp. Its a clear weakness. But ragging on a barely 17 year old kid who got pushed into service because he isnt hanging with a very good defense is just weak.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:04 PM
Touchdown Bert Reed! Time to go for two??

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:09 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if sophomore saftey Lamarcus Joyner makes another big play. Joyner is playing great and is a game changer.

Redeyejedi
12-29-2011, 09:13 PM
LOL he hit Bradham right in the gut with the ball

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:13 PM
Nigel Bradham baby, now FRESHMAN WR Rashad Greene w/ the big TD! Damn it feels good!

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:19 PM
Hell of a game- Tank w/ the sack!!

sinn fein
12-29-2011, 09:21 PM
mark ingram or no prince.hmmmm.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:24 PM
Nigel Bradham is having a great game as well, his stock has got to be on the rise. Should be interesting to see how he plays at the Senior Bowl and he will test off the charts at the combine!

Redeyejedi
12-29-2011, 09:27 PM
Thoughts on LB Nigel Bradham and where he will be drafted? Florida State vs Notre Dame tomorrow, should be a good one.
Ive always liked Bradham.Very impressive player physically. He moves well in space and very fluid for his size. The problem with Bradham is he makes a ton of mental mistakes. I think he is probably a mid 3rd- mid 4th round pick

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:28 PM
Incredible catch by Rashad Greene. Might be the best WR Florida State has had since Peter Warrick!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 09:35 PM
Come on Defnes! Don't let em drive down your throat now!

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 09:36 PM
what a play by mike harris!

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:36 PM
Thoughts on LB Nigel Bradham and where he will be drafted? Florida State vs Notre Dame tomorrow, should be a good one.
Ive always liked Bradham.Very impressive player physically. He moves well in space and very fluid for his size. The problem with Bradham is he makes a ton of mental mistakes. I think he is probably a mid 3rd- mid 4th round pickI'd draft Bradham over both Travis Lewis and Sean Spence. I think he'll make an impact in the NFL if placed in the right system.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:39 PM
You gotta love this Florida State defense. They play w/ attitude and heart, I just hope the Giants will show up w/ this come Sunday night and kick some Cowboy ***.

heavyhitter
12-29-2011, 09:42 PM
what a play by mike harris!
I've got Mike Harris on your "sleeper thread".

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 10:22 PM
what a play by mike harris!
I've got Mike Harris on your "sleeper thread".
i know u do! good call! Also shout out to that Oline for picking up there game after a dreadful 3qters or so They played well in the 4th

nycsportzfan
12-29-2011, 10:56 PM
Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW! That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one So far hes been quiet I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish Hes a big bruiser! Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season

BlueSanta
12-29-2011, 11:25 PM
Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW! That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one So far hes been quiet I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish Hes a big bruiser! Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season


I dunno if there is an offensive player in college football over the last few years that I would rather watch than RG3.

Redeyejedi
12-30-2011, 12:45 AM
Anyone watching this crap the Baylor Washington game is just beyond bad.There is no defense whatsoever.Its hard to credit Griffin when guys are wide open on every play

BlueSanta
12-30-2011, 01:37 AM
Anyone watching this crap the Baylor Washington game is just beyond bad.There is no defense whatsoever.Its hard to credit Griffin when guys are wide open on every play

this is where the NFL is going too. I know you and I agree on this.

Redeyejedi
12-30-2011, 02:47 AM
Some of the stats from this game are eye popping but there really meaningless when u look at them within the context of the game.

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 07:29 AM
Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW! That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one So far hes been quiet I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish Hes a big bruiser! Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season


I dunno if there is an offensive player in college football over the last few years that I would rather watch than RG3.
very true Dudes explosive Chris Polk and Ganaway both put there imprints on the game I've been talking about Polk since Sept but Ganaway has slowley climbed my personal rankings as well Polks number 2 in my rankings and will stay there after last night Hes the complete package Strength Catching Ability Enough Speed Size Somewhat Shifty etc etc Hes really good!

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 07:31 AM
One of my bigger sleepers is playing today and thats Leonard Johnson CB Iowa St Hes got Shutdown ability and i think someone gets a steal on this kid in RD 3-4 area of the draft Unless he gets totally unconvered at the Combine and flys up draft boards I wouldent be surprised to see him go early 3rd He'll have his hands full with Sanu today

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 07:36 AM
I have been meaning to ask u guys if U felt like this Draft class is somewhat weak this yr? I really loved this class at one point early on but for some reason i feel there is alot of busts in this yrs draft crop and i just don't feel its as deep as i once percieved All though there is alot of players i like don't get me wrong Just not the overall knock your socks off Draft Class i thought it was gonna be(no biggie though)

Redeyejedi
12-30-2011, 09:36 AM
*I have been meaning to ask u guys if** U felt like this Draft class is somewhat weak this yr? I really loved this class at one point early on** but for some reason i feel there is alot of busts in this yrs draft crop and i just don't feel its as deep as i once percieved*** All though there is alot of players i like** don't get me wrong**** Just not the overall** knock your socks off Draft Class i thought it was gonna be(no biggie though)
Its the worst one Ive seen since I started really looking at games. I like the WR's, RB's thats about it

Redeyejedi
12-30-2011, 09:44 AM
*Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW!** That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!*

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one** So far hes been quiet***** I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish*** Hes a big bruiser!* Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season


I dunno if there is an offensive player in college football over the last few years that I would rather watch than RG3.
** very true*** Dudes explosive****** Chris Polk and Ganaway both put there imprints on the game** I've been talking about Polk since Sept*** but Ganaway has slowley climbed my personal rankings as well** Polks number 2 in my rankings* and will stay there after last night*** Hes the complete package*** Strength* Catching Ability** Enough Speed* Size** Somewhat Shifty** etc etc**** Hes really good!
Gannaway is a middle round back but this game his stats are completely inflated. He was running through 7 feet holes and no one could tackle.Most pathetic display of defense Ive seen from a DIv 1 Football game this year

thegreatone
12-30-2011, 12:40 PM
Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW! That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one So far hes been quiet I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish Hes a big bruiser! Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season


I dunno if there is an offensive player in college football over the last few years that I would rather watch than RG3.
unfortunately i feel like your gonna get to see him twice a year when he becomes a redskin. unless the browns pull the plug on colt every other team took a QB early last year. sucks, but unless a team moves up he is gonna be a redskin :(

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 01:32 PM
Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW! That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one So far hes been quiet I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish Hes a big bruiser! Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season


I dunno if there is an offensive player in college football over the last few years that I would rather watch than RG3.
very true Dudes explosive Chris Polk and Ganaway both put there imprints on the game I've been talking about Polk since Sept but Ganaway has slowley climbed my personal rankings as well Polks number 2 in my rankings and will stay there after last night Hes the complete package Strength Catching Ability Enough Speed Size Somewhat Shifty etc etc Hes really good!
Gannaway is a middle round back but this game his stats are completely inflated. He was running through 7 feet holes and no one could tackle.Most pathetic display of defense Ive seen from a DIv 1 Football game this year Ya I've seen Ganaway as high as RD 3 in a few <span class="echo-item-text">mocks and i'</span><span class="echo-item-text">m thinkin </span><span class="echo-item-text">more of a RD 4 Back </span><span class="echo-item-text">myself Your right the Defense was bad last night but it is what it is and Polk and Ganaway have been doing it all yr so you gotta give the</span><span class="echo-item-text">m so</span><span class="echo-item-text">me credit
</span>

BlueSanta
12-30-2011, 01:46 PM
Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW! That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one So far hes been quiet I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish Hes a big bruiser! Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season


I dunno if there is an offensive player in college football over the last few years that I would rather watch than RG3.
very true Dudes explosive Chris Polk and Ganaway both put there imprints on the game I've been talking about Polk since Sept but Ganaway has slowley climbed my personal rankings as well Polks number 2 in my rankings and will stay there after last night Hes the complete package Strength Catching Ability Enough Speed Size Somewhat Shifty etc etc Hes really good!
Gannaway is a middle round back but this game his stats are completely inflated. He was running through 7 feet holes and no one could tackle.Most pathetic display of defense Ive seen from a DIv 1 Football game this year Ya I've seen Ganaway as high as RD 3 in a few <span class="echo-item-text">mocks and i'</span><span class="echo-item-text">m thinkin </span><span class="echo-item-text">more of a RD 4 Back </span><span class="echo-item-text">myself Your right the Defense was bad last night but it is what it is and Polk and Ganaway have been doing it all yr so you gotta give the</span><span class="echo-item-text">m so</span><span class="echo-item-text">me credit
</span>

I had fun watching those fun offensive weapons.

But to be honest, I got much more enjoyment from the FSU v ND game where the defense was the highlights.

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 03:29 PM
Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW! That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one So far hes been quiet I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish Hes a big bruiser! Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season


I dunno if there is an offensive player in college football over the last few years that I would rather watch than RG3.
very true Dudes explosive Chris Polk and Ganaway both put there imprints on the game I've been talking about Polk since Sept but Ganaway has slowley climbed my personal rankings as well Polks number 2 in my rankings and will stay there after last night Hes the complete package Strength Catching Ability Enough Speed Size Somewhat Shifty etc etc Hes really good!
Gannaway is a middle round back but this game his stats are completely inflated. He was running through 7 feet holes and no one could tackle.Most pathetic display of defense Ive seen from a DIv 1 Football game this year Ya I've seen Ganaway as high as RD 3 in a few <span class="echo-item-text">mocks and i'</span><span class="echo-item-text">m thinkin </span><span class="echo-item-text">more of a RD 4 Back </span><span class="echo-item-text">myself Your right the Defense was bad last night but it is what it is and Polk and Ganaway have been doing it all yr so you gotta give the</span><span class="echo-item-text">m so</span><span class="echo-item-text">me credit
</span>

I had fun watching those fun offensive weapons.

But to be honest, I got much more enjoyment from the FSU v ND game where the defense was the highlights.
Ya I actually usually get peeved about ga<span class="echo-item-text">mes that bad Defensively But when u consider that Baylor has been doing that offensively all yr and Washington has had spurts where they've looked good offensively I have trouble taking anything away fro</span><span class="echo-item-text">m there offenses If that was Rutgers VS Penn St then i </span><span class="echo-item-text">might have a proble</span><span class="echo-item-text">m with it lol

I </span><span class="echo-item-text">mean u got Kendall Wright and Robert Griffin and Jer</span><span class="echo-item-text">maine Kearse and Chris Polk and senio kele</span><span class="echo-item-text">mete and Ganaway and Phillip Blake who will all be playing on sundays and thats just off the top of </span><span class="echo-item-text">my head! Not to </span><span class="echo-item-text">mention WASH has a outstanding fresh TE(i forget his na</span><span class="echo-item-text">me)</span>

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 03:32 PM
Another WR to look for Next yr if he co<span class="echo-item-text">mes out is BYU's Cody Hoff</span><span class="echo-item-text">man Dude is nasty!
</span>

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 08:26 PM
I never did <span class="echo-item-text">my weekly </span><span class="echo-item-text">mock after the JET WIN Here we go! Picking 23rd is what i got us

1 Devon Still DT Penn St- Dudes a beast with a non stop </span><span class="echo-item-text">motor and great size With Canty getting older and Austin being outta football for 2yrs by the ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me next season rolls around i think its a good idea taking Still here for his Upside and for the fact we need one </span><span class="echo-item-text">more reliable big upside DT for the rotation going forward Still has 17TFL and 4 and a Half Sacks so far

2 Travis Lewis LB Oklaho</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- I love Lewis! I think hes gonna be a huge steal if he goes this late in the 2nd round Hes a ALL AROUND LB who </span><span class="echo-item-text">makes plays against the run and in the pass ga</span><span class="echo-item-text">me I see a pro bowl in his future

3 Julian </span><span class="echo-item-text">miller DE W Virginia- Another player i love! Julian re</span><span class="echo-item-text">minds </span><span class="echo-item-text">me of a young Justin Tuck for his size and Versatility as he lines up inside at DT for the WV club as well JPP and Julian would be a fearso</span><span class="echo-item-text">me DUO at End going forward Julian has 11 TFL and 6sacks to go along with 2 FF so far this yr

4 Willia</span><span class="echo-item-text">m Vlachos C Alaba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- A nasty </span><span class="echo-item-text">mauling C whos been blocking for 2 rugged s</span><span class="echo-item-text">mash </span><span class="echo-item-text">mouth runners in his ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me at Ba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma(ingra</span><span class="echo-item-text">m and richardson) and we could use a upgrade at C and possible long ter</span><span class="echo-item-text">m answer

5 Tashaun Gipson CB Wyo</span><span class="echo-item-text">ming- A nice Depth CB who really helps in Run support and has solid size/speed co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mbonation

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- This kid flat out was W Kent's offense and a bruising workhorse ! A nice kid to take a chance on in RD 6 At worst could be a nice change of pace back and at best u strike lighting in a bottle again(bradshaw being other)

7 Evan Rodriguez TE Te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple- Good hands and Solid size Blocked for a great RB DUO at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple while also being one of there bigger threats through the Air albeit they don't air it out at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple Evan has a chance
</span>

Redeyejedi
12-30-2011, 08:40 PM
*I never did <span class="echo-item-text">my weekly </span><span class="echo-item-text">mock after the JET WIN*** Here we go!* Picking 23rd is what i got us

1** Devon Still DT Penn St-** Dudes a beast with a non stop </span><span class="echo-item-text">motor and great size***** With Canty getting older and Austin being outta football for 2yrs by the ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me next season rolls around** i think its a good idea taking Still here for his Upside and for the fact we need one </span><span class="echo-item-text">more reliable big upside DT for the rotation going forward*** Still has 17TFL and 4 and a Half Sacks so far

2 Travis Lewis LB Oklaho</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma-* I love Lewis! I think hes gonna be a huge steal if he goes this late in the 2nd round*** Hes a ALL AROUND LB who </span><span class="echo-item-text">makes plays against the run and in the pass ga</span><span class="echo-item-text">me* I see a pro bowl in his future

3 Julian </span><span class="echo-item-text">miller DE W Virginia-* Another player i love!* Julian re</span><span class="echo-item-text">minds </span><span class="echo-item-text">me of a young Justin Tuck for his size and Versatility as he lines up inside at DT for the WV club as well*** JPP and Julian would be a fearso</span><span class="echo-item-text">me DUO at End going forward** Julian has* 11 TFL and 6sacks to go along with 2 FF so far this yr

4 Willia</span><span class="echo-item-text">m Vlachos C Alaba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma-** A nasty </span><span class="echo-item-text">mauling C whos been blocking for 2 rugged s</span><span class="echo-item-text">mash </span><span class="echo-item-text">mouth runners in his ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me at Ba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma(ingra</span><span class="echo-item-text">m and richardson)** and we could use a upgrade at C and possible long ter</span><span class="echo-item-text">m answer

5 Tashaun Gipson CB Wyo</span><span class="echo-item-text">ming-* A nice Depth CB who really helps in Run support and has solid size/speed co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mbonation

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky-* This kid flat out was W Kent's offense and a bruising workhorse !* A nice kid to take a chance on in RD 6* At worst could be a nice change of pace back and at best u strike lighting in a bottle again(bradshaw being other)

7 Evan Rodriguez TE Te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple-* Good hands and Solid size**** Blocked for a great RB DUO at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple while also being one of there bigger threats through the Air*** albeit they don't air it out at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple**** Evan has a chance
</span>Evan Rodriugez is a good player been meaning to do the Maryland game its still on my hard drive

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 09:26 PM
I never did <span class="echo-item-text">my weekly </span><span class="echo-item-text">mock after the JET WIN Here we go! Picking 23rd is what i got us

1 Devon Still DT Penn St- Dudes a beast with a non stop </span><span class="echo-item-text">motor and great size With Canty getting older and Austin being outta football for 2yrs by the ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me next season rolls around i think its a good idea taking Still here for his Upside and for the fact we need one </span><span class="echo-item-text">more reliable big upside DT for the rotation going forward Still has 17TFL and 4 and a Half Sacks so far

2 Travis Lewis LB Oklaho</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- I love Lewis! I think hes gonna be a huge steal if he goes this late in the 2nd round Hes a ALL AROUND LB who </span><span class="echo-item-text">makes plays against the run and in the pass ga</span><span class="echo-item-text">me I see a pro bowl in his future

3 Julian </span><span class="echo-item-text">miller DE W Virginia- Another player i love! Julian re</span><span class="echo-item-text">minds </span><span class="echo-item-text">me of a young Justin Tuck for his size and Versatility as he lines up inside at DT for the WV club as well JPP and Julian would be a fearso</span><span class="echo-item-text">me DUO at End going forward Julian has 11 TFL and 6sacks to go along with 2 FF so far this yr

4 Willia</span><span class="echo-item-text">m Vlachos C Alaba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- A nasty </span><span class="echo-item-text">mauling C whos been blocking for 2 rugged s</span><span class="echo-item-text">mash </span><span class="echo-item-text">mouth runners in his ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me at Ba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma(ingra</span><span class="echo-item-text">m and richardson) and we could use a upgrade at C and possible long ter</span><span class="echo-item-text">m answer

5 Tashaun Gipson CB Wyo</span><span class="echo-item-text">ming- A nice Depth CB who really helps in Run support and has solid size/speed co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mbonation

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- This kid flat out was W Kent's offense and a bruising workhorse ! A nice kid to take a chance on in RD 6 At worst could be a nice change of pace back and at best u strike lighting in a bottle again(bradshaw being other)

7 Evan Rodriguez TE Te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple- Good hands and Solid size Blocked for a great RB DUO at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple while also being one of there bigger threats through the Air albeit they don't air it out at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple Evan has a chance
</span>Evan Rodriugez is a good player been meaning to do the Maryland game its still on my hard drive ya he really is decent Definetly a guy i could see carving out a niche in the NFL We could use a TE to go with Ballard next yr If it worked out I'd love to get Dwayne Allen but if it don't shake out like that I certainly would have no prob adding a Rodriguez or Nick Provo late

BlueSanta
12-30-2011, 10:25 PM
Anyone see that amazing TD run by RG3? WOW! That dude is gonna be good! I can't wait to watch Cam Newton VS RG3 in the pros!

Waiting for Chris Polk to get going in this one So far hes been quiet I wonder what rd Terrrance Ganaway is gonna go in? Noticed some got him moving up to RD 3-4 ish Hes a big bruiser! Probably be a nice replacement for Brandon Jacobs assuming BJ is gone after this season


I dunno if there is an offensive player in college football over the last few years that I would rather watch than RG3.
very true Dudes explosive Chris Polk and Ganaway both put there imprints on the game I've been talking about Polk since Sept but Ganaway has slowley climbed my personal rankings as well Polks number 2 in my rankings and will stay there after last night Hes the complete package Strength Catching Ability Enough Speed Size Somewhat Shifty etc etc Hes really good!
Gannaway is a middle round back but this game his stats are completely inflated. He was running through 7 feet holes and no one could tackle.Most pathetic display of defense Ive seen from a DIv 1 Football game this year Ya I've seen Ganaway as high as RD 3 in a few <span class="echo-item-text">mocks and i'</span><span class="echo-item-text">m thinkin </span><span class="echo-item-text">more of a RD 4 Back </span><span class="echo-item-text">myself Your right the Defense was bad last night but it is what it is and Polk and Ganaway have been doing it all yr so you gotta give the</span><span class="echo-item-text">m so</span><span class="echo-item-text">me credit
</span>

I had fun watching those fun offensive weapons.

But to be honest, I got much more enjoyment from the FSU v ND game where the defense was the highlights.
Ya I actually usually get peeved about ga<span class="echo-item-text">mes that bad Defensively But when u consider that Baylor has been doing that offensively all yr and Washington has had spurts where they've looked good offensively I have trouble taking anything away fro</span><span class="echo-item-text">m there offenses If that was Rutgers VS Penn St then i </span><span class="echo-item-text">might have a proble</span><span class="echo-item-text">m with it lol

I </span><span class="echo-item-text">mean u got Kendall Wright and Robert Griffin and Jer</span><span class="echo-item-text">maine Kearse and Chris Polk and senio kele</span><span class="echo-item-text">mete and Ganaway and Phillip Blake who will all be playing on sundays and thats just off the top of </span><span class="echo-item-text">my head! Not to </span><span class="echo-item-text">mention WASH has a outstanding fresh TE(i forget his na</span><span class="echo-item-text">me)</span>

Yep yep

I am not saying anything negative about those guys. I hope it doesnt come across like that.

But, I would like to have seen SOMEONE make a defensive play. Conversely, FSU v ND game was all defense, but some guys on both sides made occasional offensive plays. Tyler Eifert looked very good in a game where defense won the day. A couple FSU recievers made some nice plays as well.

Maybe its just me, but I have a hard time watching a game where defense doesnt matter even if it is because the offensive weapons are that incredible.

BlueSanta
12-30-2011, 10:38 PM
I never did <span class="echo-item-text">my weekly </span><span class="echo-item-text">mock after the JET WIN Here we go! Picking 23rd is what i got us

1 Devon Still DT Penn St- Dudes a beast with a non stop </span><span class="echo-item-text">motor and great size With Canty getting older and Austin being outta football for 2yrs by the ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me next season rolls around i think its a good idea taking Still here for his Upside and for the fact we need one </span><span class="echo-item-text">more reliable big upside DT for the rotation going forward Still has 17TFL and 4 and a Half Sacks so far

2 Travis Lewis LB Oklaho</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- I love Lewis! I think hes gonna be a huge steal if he goes this late in the 2nd round Hes a ALL AROUND LB who </span><span class="echo-item-text">makes plays against the run and in the pass ga</span><span class="echo-item-text">me I see a pro bowl in his future

3 Julian </span><span class="echo-item-text">miller DE W Virginia- Another player i love! Julian re</span><span class="echo-item-text">minds </span><span class="echo-item-text">me of a young Justin Tuck for his size and Versatility as he lines up inside at DT for the WV club as well JPP and Julian would be a fearso</span><span class="echo-item-text">me DUO at End going forward Julian has 11 TFL and 6sacks to go along with 2 FF so far this yr

4 Willia</span><span class="echo-item-text">m Vlachos C Alaba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- A nasty </span><span class="echo-item-text">mauling C whos been blocking for 2 rugged s</span><span class="echo-item-text">mash </span><span class="echo-item-text">mouth runners in his ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me at Ba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma(ingra</span><span class="echo-item-text">m and richardson) and we could use a upgrade at C and possible long ter</span><span class="echo-item-text">m answer

5 Tashaun Gipson CB Wyo</span><span class="echo-item-text">ming- A nice Depth CB who really helps in Run support and has solid size/speed co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mbonation

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- This kid flat out was W Kent's offense and a bruising workhorse ! A nice kid to take a chance on in RD 6 At worst could be a nice change of pace back and at best u strike lighting in a bottle again(bradshaw being other)

7 Evan Rodriguez TE Te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple- Good hands and Solid size Blocked for a great RB DUO at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple while also being one of there bigger threats through the Air albeit they don't air it out at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple Evan has a chance
</span>

Heh I love Still, but he seems to me to be gone before we pick? He would be a perfect fit for us because I dont know if anyone gets more up-the-middle push than he does. I would feel bad for poor QBs who had to step up into the pocket because of Tuck, JPP, Osi only to find Still in your face. The big difference between the now Giants and the 2007 Giants is we dont have that Fred Robbins pocket crumbler. Still will blow up any pocket.

I know we have talked about Lewis. I would love him here. Giants like versatility in LBs. OKlahoma demands the same from its LBs. He is a good player.

All the other picks are good, though I am not in love with some of them as you are. But I wouldnt mind em either. I still think we need to take the TE position more seriously than a 7th rounder. At the very least, we need depth.

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 11:25 PM
I never did <span class="echo-item-text">my weekly </span><span class="echo-item-text">mock after the JET WIN Here we go! Picking 23rd is what i got us

1 Devon Still DT Penn St- Dudes a beast with a non stop </span><span class="echo-item-text">motor and great size With Canty getting older and Austin being outta football for 2yrs by the ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me next season rolls around i think its a good idea taking Still here for his Upside and for the fact we need one </span><span class="echo-item-text">more reliable big upside DT for the rotation going forward Still has 17TFL and 4 and a Half Sacks so far

2 Travis Lewis LB Oklaho</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- I love Lewis! I think hes gonna be a huge steal if he goes this late in the 2nd round Hes a ALL AROUND LB who </span><span class="echo-item-text">makes plays against the run and in the pass ga</span><span class="echo-item-text">me I see a pro bowl in his future

3 Julian </span><span class="echo-item-text">miller DE W Virginia- Another player i love! Julian re</span><span class="echo-item-text">minds </span><span class="echo-item-text">me of a young Justin Tuck for his size and Versatility as he lines up inside at DT for the WV club as well JPP and Julian would be a fearso</span><span class="echo-item-text">me DUO at End going forward Julian has 11 TFL and 6sacks to go along with 2 FF so far this yr

4 Willia</span><span class="echo-item-text">m Vlachos C Alaba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- A nasty </span><span class="echo-item-text">mauling C whos been blocking for 2 rugged s</span><span class="echo-item-text">mash </span><span class="echo-item-text">mouth runners in his ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me at Ba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma(ingra</span><span class="echo-item-text">m and richardson) and we could use a upgrade at C and possible long ter</span><span class="echo-item-text">m answer

5 Tashaun Gipson CB Wyo</span><span class="echo-item-text">ming- A nice Depth CB who really helps in Run support and has solid size/speed co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mbonation

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- This kid flat out was W Kent's offense and a bruising workhorse ! A nice kid to take a chance on in RD 6 At worst could be a nice change of pace back and at best u strike lighting in a bottle again(bradshaw being other)

7 Evan Rodriguez TE Te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple- Good hands and Solid size Blocked for a great RB DUO at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple while also being one of there bigger threats through the Air albeit they don't air it out at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple Evan has a chance
</span>

Heh I love Still, but he seems to me to be gone before we pick? He would be a perfect fit for us because I dont know if anyone gets more up-the-middle push than he does. I would feel bad for poor QBs who had to step up into the pocket because of Tuck, JPP, Osi only to find Still in your face. The big difference between the now Giants and the 2007 Giants is we dont have that Fred Robbins pocket crumbler. Still will blow up any pocket.

I know we have talked about Lewis. I would love him here. Giants like versatility in LBs. OKlahoma demands the same from its LBs. He is a good player.

All the other picks are good, though I am not in love with some of them as you are. But I wouldnt mind em either. I still think we need to take the TE position more seriously than a 7th rounder. At the very least, we need depth.
I don't know if STILL will be there when we pick? He could be or then again he could be gone I re<span class="echo-item-text">me</span><span class="echo-item-text">mber we all thought Dan Willia</span><span class="echo-item-text">ms was gonna be gone alot earlier then he went and i think he went pick 23 if i a</span><span class="echo-item-text">m not </span><span class="echo-item-text">mistaken? I think its a toss up right now as to if he still there where i got us pickcing which is pick 23

I thought Linval was gonna get </span><span class="echo-item-text">more push then he has and thats one of the reasons he was one of </span><span class="echo-item-text">my fave prospects when he ca</span><span class="echo-item-text">me out and why i wanted hi</span><span class="echo-item-text">m so badly! Your totally correct as what were </span><span class="echo-item-text">missing fro</span><span class="echo-item-text">m our 2007 club Linval and Still would be a beastly duo! Especially if it beco</span><span class="echo-item-text">mes a Trio and Austin plays well!

I</span><span class="echo-item-text">m not nessecarily in love with all the picks at the end of the </span><span class="echo-item-text">mock its just the way this paticular one worked out We got plenty of positons that are in need of Depth or legit talent but only so </span><span class="echo-item-text">many picks U gotta try and fill a few and find a couple dia</span><span class="echo-item-text">monds in the ruff later on
</span>

nycsportzfan
12-30-2011, 11:27 PM
I never did <span class="echo-item-text">my weekly </span><span class="echo-item-text">mock after the JET WIN Here we go! Picking 23rd is what i got us

1 Devon Still DT Penn St- Dudes a beast with a non stop </span><span class="echo-item-text">motor and great size With Canty getting older and Austin being outta football for 2yrs by the ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me next season rolls around i think its a good idea taking Still here for his Upside and for the fact we need one </span><span class="echo-item-text">more reliable big upside DT for the rotation going forward Still has 17TFL and 4 and a Half Sacks so far

2 Travis Lewis LB Oklaho</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- I love Lewis! I think hes gonna be a huge steal if he goes this late in the 2nd round Hes a ALL AROUND LB who </span><span class="echo-item-text">makes plays against the run and in the pass ga</span><span class="echo-item-text">me I see a pro bowl in his future

3 Julian </span><span class="echo-item-text">miller DE W Virginia- Another player i love! Julian re</span><span class="echo-item-text">minds </span><span class="echo-item-text">me of a young Justin Tuck for his size and Versatility as he lines up inside at DT for the WV club as well JPP and Julian would be a fearso</span><span class="echo-item-text">me DUO at End going forward Julian has 11 TFL and 6sacks to go along with 2 FF so far this yr

4 Willia</span><span class="echo-item-text">m Vlachos C Alaba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma- A nasty </span><span class="echo-item-text">mauling C whos been blocking for 2 rugged s</span><span class="echo-item-text">mash </span><span class="echo-item-text">mouth runners in his ti</span><span class="echo-item-text">me at Ba</span><span class="echo-item-text">ma(ingra</span><span class="echo-item-text">m and richardson) and we could use a upgrade at C and possible long ter</span><span class="echo-item-text">m answer

5 Tashaun Gipson CB Wyo</span><span class="echo-item-text">ming- A nice Depth CB who really helps in Run support and has solid size/speed co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mbonation

6 Bobby Rainey RB W Kentucky- This kid flat out was W Kent's offense and a bruising workhorse ! A nice kid to take a chance on in RD 6 At worst could be a nice change of pace back and at best u strike lighting in a bottle again(bradshaw being other)

7 Evan Rodriguez TE Te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple- Good hands and Solid size Blocked for a great RB DUO at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple while also being one of there bigger threats through the Air albeit they don't air it out at te</span><span class="echo-item-text">mple Evan has a chance
</span>

Heh I love Still, but he seems to me to be gone before we pick? He would be a perfect fit for us because I dont know if anyone gets more up-the-middle push than he does. I would feel bad for poor QBs who had to step up into the pocket because of Tuck, JPP, Osi only to find Still in your face. The big difference between the now Giants and the 2007 Giants is we dont have that Fred Robbins pocket crumbler. Still will blow up any pocket.

I know we have talked about Lewis. I would love him here. Giants like versatility in LBs K. OKlahoma demands the same from its LBs. He is a good player.

All the other picks are good, though I am not in love with some of them as you are. But I wouldnt mind em either. I still think we need to take the TE position more seriously than a 7th rounder. At the very least, we need depth.
Could u i<span class="echo-item-text">magine on 3rd and 6 running out a Dline of Tuck </span><span class="echo-item-text">miller still and JPP with kiwi blitzing fro</span><span class="echo-item-text">m the LB positon? Beastly!
</span>

nycsportzfan
12-31-2011, 09:16 AM
Some of my favorite Defensive players going at it in there respective bowl games today! U got

Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- Absoulute Stud! Bigtime promise from the kid who leads country in Sacks and FF's!

Casey Hayward CB Vandy- Super Underrated and i think is better prospect and player then guys like Stephon Gilmore and possibly Chase minnifield(who i also love!)

Chase minnifeild CB Virginia

Derek Wolfe DT Cincy- playmaker!

Raptor22
12-31-2011, 10:49 AM
Some of my favorite Defensive players going at it in there respective bowl games today! U got

Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- Absoulute Stud! Bigtime promise from the kid who leads country in Sacks and FF's!

Casey Hayward CB Vandy- Super Underrated and i think is better prospect and player then guys like Stephon Gilmore and possibly Chase minnifield(who i also love!)

Chase minnifeild CB Virginia

Derek Wolfe DT Cincy- playmaker!




According to McShay, Mercilus is going early 2nd day... So maybe he might not be such a reach at 32nd overall...

(I can only come up with 2 reasons why McShay has him as a 2nd day prospect: 1) McShay's an idiot. 2) the huge jump in sacks from last year to this year might have teams questioning his motor or whatever)

Redeyejedi
12-31-2011, 11:23 AM
Some of my favorite Defensive players going at it in there respective bowl games today! U got

Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- Absoulute Stud! Bigtime promise from the kid who leads country in Sacks and FF's!

Casey Hayward CB Vandy- Super Underrated and i think is better prospect and player then guys like Stephon Gilmore and possibly Chase minnifield(who i also love!)

Chase minnifeild CB Virginia

Derek Wolfe DT Cincy- playmaker!




According to McShay, Mercilus is going early 2nd day... So maybe he might not be such a reach at 32nd overall...

(I can only come up with 2 reasons why McShay has him as a 2nd day prospect: 1) McShay's an idiot. 2) the huge jump in sacks from last year to this year might have teams questioning his motor or whatever)
First off Mcshay is just a face.Whitney has a good motor,great hands its his athletic ability.He is a Strongside end,He isnt a corner bending edge rusher like Aldon Smith.He looks like a First Rounder for sure though to me

Raptor22
12-31-2011, 01:12 PM
Some of my favorite Defensive players going at it in there respective bowl games today! U got

Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- Absoulute Stud! Bigtime promise from the kid who leads country in Sacks and FF's!

Casey Hayward CB Vandy- Super Underrated and i think is better prospect and player then guys like Stephon Gilmore and possibly Chase minnifield(who i also love!)

Chase minnifeild CB Virginia

Derek Wolfe DT Cincy- playmaker!




According to McShay, Mercilus is going early 2nd day... So maybe he might not be such a reach at 32nd overall...

(I can only come up with 2 reasons why McShay has him as a 2nd day prospect: 1) McShay's an idiot. 2) the huge jump in sacks from last year to this year might have teams questioning his motor or whatever)
First off Mcshay is just a face.Whitney has a good motor,great hands its his athletic ability.He is a Strongside end,He isnt a corner bending edge rusher like Aldon Smith.He looks like a First Rounder for sure though to me

Myself as well... but like I said, McShay's an idiot (and Kiper is a tool... or is it the other way around?)

By the by, I'm feeling like Landry Jones goes back to school. He just has not ended on a good note, and he could benefit from some polishing (IMO, anyway)

nycsportzfan
12-31-2011, 03:09 PM
Some of my favorite Defensive players going at it in there respective bowl games today! U got

Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- Absoulute Stud! Bigtime promise from the kid who leads country in Sacks and FF's!

Casey Hayward CB Vandy- Super Underrated and i think is better prospect and player then guys like Stephon Gilmore and possibly Chase minnifield(who i also love!)

Chase minnifeild CB Virginia

Derek Wolfe DT Cincy- playmaker!




According to McShay, Mercilus is going early 2nd day... So maybe he might not be such a reach at 32nd overall...

(I can only come up with 2 reasons why McShay has him as a 2nd day prospect: 1) McShay's an idiot. 2) the huge jump in sacks from last year to this year might have teams questioning his motor or whatever)
I got Whitney as a big riser by Draft time and i'd be shocked if hes on the board at pick 21 I see him going within the top 20picks

nycsportzfan
12-31-2011, 03:11 PM
Some of my favorite Defensive players going at it in there respective bowl games today! U got

Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- Absoulute Stud! Bigtime promise from the kid who leads country in Sacks and FF's!

Casey Hayward CB Vandy- Super Underrated and i think is better prospect and player then guys like Stephon Gilmore and possibly Chase minnifield(who i also love!)

Chase minnifeild CB Virginia

Derek Wolfe DT Cincy- playmaker!




According to McShay, Mercilus is going early 2nd day... So maybe he might not be such a reach at 32nd overall...

(I can only come up with 2 reasons why McShay has him as a 2nd day prospect: 1) McShay's an idiot. 2) the huge jump in sacks from last year to this year might have teams questioning his motor or whatever)
First off Mcshay is just a face.Whitney has a good motor,great hands its his athletic ability.He is a Strongside end,He isnt a corner bending edge rusher like Aldon Smith.He looks like a First Rounder for sure though to me

Myself as well... but like I said, McShay's an idiot (and Kiper is a tool... or is it the other way around?)

By the by, I'm feeling like Landry Jones goes back to school. He just has not ended on a good note, and he could benefit from some polishing (IMO, anyway)
Landry Jones has Blaine Gabbert written all over him I'm not a big Landry Jones fan and i think Nick Foles has a better chance at being a solid NFL QB then Landry Jones does

nycsportzfan
12-31-2011, 04:10 PM
As i've said most of this yr and again i feel is true Today Ryan Tannehill not overly impressive against a NW D that is dreadful He let them back in the game and his play has dropped considerbly as the games gone on and with a ridiculous heap of weapons to boot Hes a guy i woulden't touch untill RD3 at the earliest I would rather have Nick Foles I wonder how Foles would be if he were on a good team?

nycsportzfan
12-31-2011, 05:25 PM
Whitney mercilus is relentless! Hes having a whale of game early in the 2nd qter still All ready got a Sack and a TFL Hes a brut!

Redeyejedi
12-31-2011, 06:02 PM
*As i've said most of this yr and again i feel is true Today** Ryan Tannehill not overly impressive against a NW D that is dreadful*** He let them back in the game and his play has dropped considerbly as the games gone on***** and with a ridiculous heap of weapons to boot*** Hes a guy i woulden't touch untill RD3 at the earliest*** I would rather have Nick Foles* I wonder how Foles would be if he were on a good team?Disagree there I would much rather have Tannehill. Much more to work with Tannehill.

Redeyejedi
12-31-2011, 06:20 PM
*Whitney mercilus is relentless!* Hes having a whale of* game early in the 2nd qter still* All ready got a Sack and a* TFL** Hes a brut!
He really knows how to use leverage well.

Cant wait to see who gets the first pick in this draft. If its the Rams what do u do.I think Bradfords ceiling is somewhere between the 10th-16th best QB in the NFL. If U believe Luck can be a Rodgers or Brady do U trade him away.They were saying on the NFL Network they could get 3 first rounders for Luck

Raptor22
12-31-2011, 09:12 PM
How about #94 on the Virginia D line? He's got to be one of the most athletic DT's I've seen in a while. Vicious too... he knocked Auburn's starting QB out already.

Redeyejedi
01-01-2012, 11:51 AM
Im watching Oklahoma Iowa right now and CB Jamal Fleming had a really strong game going to make a video for it

Redeyejedi
01-01-2012, 11:56 AM
How about #94 on the Virginia D line? He's got to be one of the most athletic DT's I've seen in a while. Vicious too... he knocked Auburn's starting QB out already.
Matt Conrath I noticed him last year when I made the Tyron Smith vs Virginia video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YK50adKy-Y.

He really isnt a Defensive tackle though.He is more of a 3-4 End prospect. He was originally a 3-4 end when Al Groh was the Head coach.Virginia ran a 3-4 scheme. When he got fired the new guy switched to a 4-3 and they moved him to tackle. He would have to gain a lot of weight to be a full time DT. He is 6'7 so leverage will be an issue playing inside in the NFL.He is kind of like Canty who came from UVA as well.
Giants seem to like versatile tweeners a lot though. I could see them being intrigued by Cam Johnson and Minnifield as well

heavyhitter
01-01-2012, 05:37 PM
How about #94 on the Virginia D line? He's got to be one of the most athletic DT's I've seen in a while. Vicious too... he knocked Auburn's starting QB out already.
Matt Conrath I noticed him last year when I made the Tyron Smith vs Virginia video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YK50adKy-Y.

He really isnt a Defensive tackle though.He is more of a 3-4 End prospect. He was originally a 3-4 end when Al Groh was the Head coach.Virginia ran a 3-4 scheme. When he got fired the new guy switched to a 4-3 and they moved him to tackle. He would have to gain a lot of weight to be a full time DT. He is 6'7 so leverage will be an issue playing inside in the NFL.He is kind of like Canty who came from UVA as well.
Giants seem to like versatile tweeners a lot though. I could see them being intrigued by Cam Johnson and Minnifield as wellEvery time I see the name Al Groh I think of Clint Sintim. He played in his 3-4 scheme and was supposed to be one of the best pass rushing linebackers in the draft. I actually thought the Giants grabbed a stud in the 2nd round of that draft but I guess things haven't exactly worked out for him. Not sure if you blame the system or Sintim for his lack of production.

heavyhitter
01-01-2012, 05:39 PM
How about #94 on the Virginia D line? He's got to be one of the most athletic DT's I've seen in a while. Vicious too... he knocked Auburn's starting QB out already.
Matt Conrath I noticed him last year when I made the Tyron Smith vs Virginia video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YK50adKy-Y.

He really isnt a Defensive tackle though.He is more of a 3-4 End prospect. He was originally a 3-4 end when Al Groh was the Head coach.Virginia ran a 3-4 scheme. When he got fired the new guy switched to a 4-3 and they moved him to tackle. He would have to gain a lot of weight to be a full time DT. He is 6'7 so leverage will be an issue playing inside in the NFL.He is kind of like Canty who came from UVA as well.
Giants seem to like versatile tweeners a lot though. I could see them being intrigued by Cam Johnson and Minnifield as wellEvery time I see the name Al Groh I think of Clint Sintim. He played in his 3-4 scheme and was supposed to be one of the best pass rushing linebackers in the draft. I actually thought the Giants grabbed a stud in the 2nd round of that draft but I guess things haven't exactly worked out for him. Not sure if you blame the system or Sintim for his lack of production.
<h3>NFL Draft 2009: Giants selected Clint Sintim (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnsLn1ylV0)</h3>

nycsportzfan
01-01-2012, 05:47 PM
Some of my favorite Defensive players going at it in there respective bowl games today! U got

Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- Absoulute Stud! Bigtime promise from the kid who leads country in Sacks and FF's!

Casey Hayward CB Vandy- Super Underrated and i think is better prospect and player then guys like Stephon Gilmore and possibly Chase minnifield(who i also love!)

Chase minnifeild CB Virginia

Derek Wolfe DT Cincy- playmaker!




According to McShay, Mercilus is going early 2nd day... So maybe he might not be such a reach at 32nd overall...

(I can only come up with 2 reasons why McShay has him as a 2nd day prospect: 1) McShay's an idiot. 2) the huge jump in sacks from last year to this year might have teams questioning his motor or whatever)
I could care less what mcshay says mark my words that Whitney goes in 1st round and probably makes one of the bigger jumps up the first round as the draft approaches Hes utterly insane! He just dominated again yesterday and without him Illinois litteraly dosen't beat UCLA His athletic ability is extremely underrated He was making insane moves all game and also was using his insane strength and instincts Dudes also got perfect 4/3 DE size Trust me hes going 1st round and fairly earlier then where hes perdicted to go now

nycsportzfan
01-01-2012, 05:51 PM
Some of my favorite Defensive players going at it in there respective bowl games today! U got

Whitney mercilus DE Illinois- Absoulute Stud! Bigtime promise from the kid who leads country in Sacks and FF's!

Casey Hayward CB Vandy- Super Underrated and i think is better prospect and player then guys like Stephon Gilmore and possibly Chase minnifield(who i also love!)

Chase minnifeild CB Virginia

Derek Wolfe DT Cincy- playmaker!


welp mercilus was straight up dominant and Casey Hayward picked off not 1 but 2passes giving him 7picks on the season I don't know what Wolfe did and minnifield didn't play which had alot to do with why Auburn was so dominant offnesively

nycsportzfan
01-01-2012, 06:07 PM
Guys that have 22 and a half TFL and 16sacks and 9forced fumbles simply don't go on the 2nd day of the draft when they also have all the size requirements Shoot thats a good career for some people! People will be calling me Whitneys Agent by draft time this yr because i just love him! Hes this yrs Kenny Britt Earl Thomas Akeem Ayers for me This guys a freaking stud!