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rainierjef
02-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Question to you redeye since your the resident expert here.

if
like projected the packers take Dwyane allen. and Fleener drops to 32
would you consider him the BPA at 32. TE is of great need and i know
allen is gone anywhere between 20-28.

BluGiantPies
02-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Hey red eye how is it that yoshi hardrick isn't talked about as one of the top tackles in the draft I know he didn't start many games and his run blocking looks like it needs a bit of work but he is a mountain of a man and like you said about zebrie sanders teams are always looking for tackles. I watched every vid of him on YouTube I could find and it doesn't make sense to me.

Redeyejedi
02-14-2012, 01:29 AM
Hey red eye how is it that yoshi hardrick isn't talked about as one of the top tackles in the draft I know he didn't start many games and his run blocking looks like it needs a bit of work but he is a mountain of a man and like you said about zebrie sanders teams are always looking for tackles. I watched every vid of him on YouTube I could find and it doesn't make sense to me.Yoshi Hardwick has technique issues and doesnt have the quickest feet.Some say he is soft up top and isnt a hard worker.i have a hard time believing that reading the kids story.I think he has more to work with then some of the later round guys though.He blocks with attitude as well.



When Hardrick was being recruited out of the small Kansas community college, he had some heavy-hitting SEC schools knocking on his door. In fact, Hardrick originally committed to LSU while at Fort Scott. A southern boy himself, Hardrick couldn’t wait to get back.

There was only one thing stopping him: Lavonte David.

LSU didn’t want David. Neither did any of the other SEC schools Hardrick talked to. It was clear that Hardrick wanted to stick with his best friend, though. He wanted them to keep playing with the playmaking linebacker. Where Yoshi ended up as a result was in the air.

Enter Bo Pelini.

Nebraska offered Hardrick, but before the lineman would commit, he had a single request: Offer David too. The next day, the Cornhuskers did just that.

The rest is really history. Any fan would agree that LSU’s loss is one of Nebraska greatest gains.

Redeyejedi
02-14-2012, 01:53 AM
Question to you redeye since your the resident expert here.

if
like projected the packers take Dwyane allen. and Fleener drops to 32
would you consider him the BPA at 32. TE is of great need and i know
allen is gone anywhere between 20-28. Not sure if he will be the absolute best player but he would be in the discussion. Fleener is a very early second round pick to me

critters
02-14-2012, 10:02 AM
Hey red eye how is
it that yoshi hardrick isn't talked about as one of the top tackles in
the draft I know he didn't start many games and his run blocking looks
like it needs a bit of work but he is a mountain of a man and like you
said about zebrie sanders teams are always looking for tackles. I
watched every vid of him on YouTube I could find and it doesn't make
sense to me.Yoshi Hardwick has technique issues and doesnt have
the quickest feet.Some say he is soft up top and isnt a hard worker.i
have a hard time believing that reading the kids story.I think he has
more to work with then some of the later round guys though.He blocks
with attitude as well.



When Hardrick was being recruited out of the small Kansas community
college, he had some heavy-hitting SEC schools knocking on his door. In
fact, Hardrick originally committed to LSU while at Fort Scott. A
southern boy himself, Hardrick couldn’t wait to get back.

There was only one thing stopping him: Lavonte David.

LSU didn’t want David. Neither did any of the other SEC schools Hardrick
talked to. It was clear that Hardrick wanted to stick with his best
friend, though. He wanted them to keep playing with the playmaking
linebacker. Where Yoshi ended up as a result was in the air.

Enter Bo Pelini.

Nebraska offered Hardrick, but before the lineman would commit, he had a
single request: Offer David too. The next day, the Cornhuskers did just
that.

The rest is really history. Any fan would agree that LSU’s loss is one
of Nebraska greatest gains.

Are you "huskerlocker" or are you just reposting his article?

Kase-1
02-14-2012, 12:23 PM
Hey GMB draft Guru's what do you guys think about Mitchell Schwartz from Cal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE89Q4Gkebg). I like Mike Adams, and Jonathan Martin, but if we miss out on the bigger named OT's do you think Schwartz would be a nice addition in the 2nd, maybe mid 3rd if we finagle a deal??

Redeyejedi
02-14-2012, 12:48 PM
Hey red eye how is
it that yoshi hardrick isn't talked about as one of the top tackles in
the draft I know he didn't start many games and his run blocking looks
like it needs a bit of work but he is a mountain of a man and like you
said about zebrie sanders teams are always looking for tackles. I
watched every vid of him on YouTube I could find and it doesn't make
sense to me.Yoshi Hardwick has technique issues and doesnt have
the quickest feet.Some say he is soft up top and isnt a hard worker.i
have a hard time believing that reading the kids story.I think he has
more to work with then some of the later round guys though.He blocks
with attitude as well.



When Hardrick was being recruited out of the small Kansas community
college, he had some heavy-hitting SEC schools knocking on his door. In
fact, Hardrick originally committed to LSU while at Fort Scott. A
southern boy himself, Hardrick couldn’t wait to get back.

There was only one thing stopping him: Lavonte David.

LSU didn’t want David. Neither did any of the other SEC schools Hardrick
talked to. It was clear that Hardrick wanted to stick with his best
friend, though. He wanted them to keep playing with the playmaking
linebacker. Where Yoshi ended up as a result was in the air.

Enter Bo Pelini.

Nebraska offered Hardrick, but before the lineman would commit, he had a
single request: Offer David too. The next day, the Cornhuskers did just
that.

The rest is really history. Any fan would agree that LSU’s loss is one
of Nebraska greatest gains.

Are you "huskerlocker" or are you just reposting his article?

I reposted the bottom part thats why I separated it. I should of qouted it.Figured people would know that I didnt write that part by the writing style , guess I was wrong.Usually the same 10 people on this thread all the time.Im sure they knew. U guys should read up on him.Im rooting for him hope he does well. He needs a ton of technique work though,

critters
02-14-2012, 01:21 PM
Well, had I realized that was you that posted that I would have guessed you are not a husker fan named "huskerlocker" (I'm familiar with your posts)... I was thinking it was BluGiantPies. Since he seemed familiar with Hardrick and is a new poster I was thinking he could have been the same blogger. Your post didn't seem like it needed a quote to make it clear it was from an article. Sorry for the mix up.

heavyhitter
02-14-2012, 03:10 PM
<font size="2">Anyone think Bama CB Dre Kirkpatrick may play a few years at CB and then convert over to the saftey position kinda like Antrel Rolle? There's a lot to like about Kirkpatrick, I'm anxious to see how he does in the speed &amp; agility drills at the combine. </font>

critters
02-14-2012, 03:49 PM
I don't personally see it happening.

Speaking of safeties and Alabama players though, I would love to see us take a shot at Mark Barron if he slides down because of his injury. He'll miss a lot of camp but his value that late would be tough to pass on.

Redeyejedi
02-14-2012, 03:50 PM
Well, had I realized that was you that posted that I would have guessed you are not a husker fan named "huskerlocker" (I'm familiar with your posts)... I was thinking it was BluGiantPies. Since he seemed familiar with Hardrick and is a new poster I was thinking he could have been the same blogger. Your post didn't seem like it needed a quote to make it clear it was from an article. Sorry for the mix up.
Its cool I didnt want anyone to think I was trying to steal somebody's words

Redeyejedi
02-14-2012, 03:53 PM
<font size="2">Anyone think Bama CB Dre Kirkpatrick may play a few years at CB and then convert over to the saftey position kinda like Antrel Rolle? There's a lot to like about Kirkpatrick, I'm anxious to see how he does in the speed & agility drills at the combine. </font>
Giants seem to like those tweener guys,People said the same thing about TT,Ross and Amukumara.

heavyhitter
02-14-2012, 04:07 PM
<u><font size="4">Andre Debose vs Dre Kirkpatrick</font></u>

Play No. 1: Debose's 65-yard touchdown reception against Alabama:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR1_medium.png

<font size="2">Debose (yellow circle) is going to be one-on-one with <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dre Kirkpatrick</span>
(green circle). Kirkpatrick as we know, is one of the top cover corners
in the SEC and maybe even in the entire country. But Debose has elite
speed, and in most cases, speed wins.
</font>
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR2_medium.png

<font size="2">As the two come into view (yellow square) the ball (red circle) is in
very good location. Debose has about a two-yard distance between his
hands and Kirkpatrick's.</font>

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR3_medium.png

<font size="2">Just as Debose is about to make the catch (yellow circle), you can see that Kirkpatrick has closed the gap, but only slightly.</font>

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR4_medium.png

<font size="2">Debose makes the catch.
</font>
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR5_medium.png

<font size="2">Kirkpatrick (green circle) dives, but is unable to corral Debose who runs in for the touchdown.</font>

heavyhitter
02-14-2012, 04:13 PM
<u><font size="4">Andre Debose vs Dre Kirkpatrick</font></u>

Play No. 1: Debose's 65-yard touchdown reception against Alabama:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR1_medium.png

<font size="2">Debose (yellow circle) is going to be one-on-one with <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Dre Kirkpatrick</span>
(green circle). Kirkpatrick as we know, is one of the top cover corners
in the SEC and maybe even in the entire country. But Debose has elite
speed, and in most cases, speed wins.
</font>
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR2_medium.png

<font size="2">As the two come into view (yellow square) the ball (red circle) is in
very good location. Debose has about a two-yard distance between his
hands and Kirkpatrick's.</font>

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR3_medium.png

<font size="2">Just as Debose is about to make the catch (yellow circle), you can see that Kirkpatrick has closed the gap, but only slightly.</font>

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR4_medium.png

<font size="2">Debose makes the catch.
</font>
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/WR5_medium.png

<font size="2">Kirkpatrick (green circle) dives, but is unable to corral Debose who runs in for the touchdown.</font>
<h3 id="video-long-title-CKJQbiaOgyY">Andre Debose touchdown catch vs Alabama 10/1/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKJQbiaOgyY)</h3>

heavyhitter
02-14-2012, 04:26 PM
<font size="2">Kirkpatrick reminds me a bit of Antonio Cromartie. Neither one of the guys are the brightest crayons in the crayon box, but they can sure play some damn football. I remember on NSD when Kirkpatrick chose to go to Alabama, here's his announcement:</font>
<h3>Dre Kirkpatrick Commits (with Subtitles/Translation) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaqAVleIw_Q)</h3>

BluGiantPies
02-14-2012, 06:01 PM
Well, had I realized that was you that posted that I would have guessed you are not a husker fan named "huskerlocker" (I'm familiar with your posts)... I was thinking it was BluGiantPies. Since he seemed familiar with Hardrick and is a new poster I was thinking he could have been the same blogger. Your post didn't seem like it needed a quote to make it clear it was from an article. Sorry for the mix up.

I've been lurking on these boards for a couple yrs and I am a draft fanatic so this yr I joined to talk a lil about it, and get my football fix. There r some really knowledable people on here and I really enjoy reading what these guys gotta say about all the potential draftees

BluGiantPies
02-14-2012, 06:04 PM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech?
I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there.

Neverend
02-14-2012, 08:40 PM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech?
I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there.

I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high

rainierjef
02-15-2012, 02:30 AM
is it his O-line, the fact that he always is running out of the shotgun or that Isaih Pead is really really good.

i wonder how he would do in a pro style offense

if he works on and gets better at blocking blitzers he would be a steal in the third/fourth round.

i woud love to see him in New york reminds me of a young tiki the way he cuts to the hole and splits the defenders, even the way he holds the ball pre high and tight ( coughlin ) which is why he fumbles coughlin can groom this kid well to be an every down back

BlueSanta
02-15-2012, 08:36 AM
is it his O-line, the fact that he always is running out of the shotgun or that Isaih Pead is really really good.

i wonder how he would do in a pro style offense

if he works on and gets better at blocking blitzers he would be a steal in the third/fourth round.

i woud love to see him in New york reminds me of a young tiki the way he cuts to the hole and splits the defenders, even the way he holds the ball pre high and tight ( coughlin ) which is why he fumbles coughlin can groom this kid well to be an every down back

I think his offseason stock has shot up because of his senior bowl week, and the game itself.

I even read that the coaches were liking how much fight he had in him in pass protect drills. He is 1 of those early/mid round guys that I hope we have our eye on. There are a quite few good backs this year though.

Redeyejedi
02-15-2012, 10:18 AM
is it his O-line, the fact that he always is running out of the shotgun or that Isaih Pead is really really good.

i wonder how he would do in a pro style offense

if he works on and gets better at blocking blitzers he would be a steal in the third/fourth round.

i woud love to see him in New york reminds me of a young tiki the way he cuts to the hole and splits the defenders, even the way he holds the ball pre high and tight ( coughlin ) which is why he fumbles coughlin can groom this kid well to be an every down back
I was impressed with how well he returned punts at the Senior Bowl.He didnt do it much and he broke 2 long ones there.He could have some value in that department as well.Why he isnt a good Blocker there is at least some blocking on tape.At least he is used to pass protection.Guys like Chris Polk dont have it on tape.</P>


Here is my Pead Videos</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px">Isaiah Pead vs Vanderbilt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy67p2raIqY)</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><FONT color=#1c62b9>Isaiah Pead vs West Virginia 2011</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHVbBOPM7h4)</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><FONT color=#0033cc>Isaiah Pead vs NC State 2011</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDz_jliFPwM)</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><FONT color=#0033cc>Isaiah Pead vs Tennessee 2011</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eifDKZKw60k)</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"><FONT color=#0033cc>Isaiah Pead vs Louisville 2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta_1WsdgNqk)</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title style="WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 11px Arial, Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(255,255,255); TEXT-ALIGN: left; orphans: 2; widows: 2; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px"></DIV>

critters
02-15-2012, 11:16 AM
In regards to that Dre vs Debose play. Debose is one of the fastest players in college football and after missing a jam, Dre was still able to hang with him. I think Debose had 2 catches in that game. It says in most cases speed wins, but that was the only TD Florida got in that game. It was the very first play of the game and my guess is that they caught DK a bit off guard because Debose didn't do much in that game after that play.

Redeyejedi
02-15-2012, 11:30 AM
Keenan Robinson is a guy that I have a hard time grading.I love his athletic ability,size, and Fluidity in pass coverage,He just does not have good instincts. Nigel Bradham is the same thing. Both guys are around the same size, have the same upside, same type of flaws.Both just dont defend the run well. Can get over powered and have only average instincts. I keep coming back to the 2010 game tape with Robinson against Oklahoma when he was just all over the field making plays. If someone can unlock that player they could have a Star on there hands.</P>


I do think the Giants are set with those tyoe of LB's though.Boley and Jacquain Williams are solid OLB's in that type of player mold. If the Giants draft a LB its probably a MLB. Ive said many times I like James Michael Johnson. I think he fits the Giants need and value well. He is aggressive with a mean streak without being stupid like Burfict. i just put up the Idaho tape 2 days ago.He didnt tackle all that well which bothered me but showed some pass coverage skill</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>James Michael Johnson vs Boise State 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJDYldPnlZE) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>James Michael Johnson vs Idaho 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Ux7AdRYlM) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>James Michael Johnson vs Southern Miss … (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zVW6xDPHU) </DIV>

heavyhitter
02-15-2012, 08:53 PM
In regards to that Dre vs Debose play. Debose is one of the fastest players in college football and after missing a jam, Dre was still able to hang with him. I think Debose had 2 catches in that game. It says in most cases speed wins, but that was the only TD Florida got in that game. It was the very first play of the game and my guess is that they caught DK a bit off guard because Debose didn't do much in that game after that play.
<font size="2">I thought it was a good post. Kirkpatrick seems to be the complete package at CB, so I was trying to find a flaw in his game &amp; that game vs Florida happened to be the only one I could find where he was really exposed. Kirkpatrick lined up too tight in man coverage w/ a speedster and Debose made him pay by flying by him on a simple go route. There's a lot of good corners in this draft and I think the Giants may take a couple depending on how free agency shakes out.</font>

rainierjef
02-16-2012, 03:03 AM
Keenan Robinson is a guy that I have a hard time grading.I love his athletic ability,size, and Fluidity in pass coverage,He just does not have good instincts. Nigel Bradham is the same thing. Both guys are around the same size, have the same upside, same type of flaws.Both just dont defend the run well. Can get over powered and have only average instincts. I keep coming back to the 2010 game tape with Robinson against Oklahoma when he was just all over the field making plays. If someone can unlock that player they could have a Star on there hands.</p>


I do think the Giants are set with those tyoe of LB's though.Boley and Jacquain Williams are solid OLB's in that type of player mold. If the Giants draft a LB its probably a MLB. Ive said many times I like James Michael Johnson. I think he fits the Giants need and value well. He is aggressive with a mean streak without being stupid like Burfict. i just put up the Idaho tape 2 days ago.He didnt tackle all that well which bothered me but showed some pass coverage skill</p>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Boise State 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJDYldPnlZE) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Idaho 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Ux7AdRYlM) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Southern Miss … (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zVW6xDPHU) </div>

ugggghhhhh.... i dont know red not impressive what i saw. going up against pro nfl talent line men it looks like he will get stood up alot, he takes good angles to the ball. lets not discuss that idaho game smfh

Redeyejedi
02-16-2012, 08:22 AM
Keenan Robinson is a guy that I have a hard time grading.*I love his athletic ability,size, and Fluidity in pass coverage,He just does not *have good instincts. Nigel Bradham is the same thing. Both guys are around the same size, have the same upside, same type of flaws.Both just dont defend the run well. Can get over powered and have only average instincts. I keep coming back to the 2010 game tape with Robinson against Oklahoma when he was just all over the field making plays. If someone can unlock that player they could have a Star on there hands.</p>


I do think the Giants are set with those tyoe of LB's though.Boley and Jacquain Williams are solid OLB's in that type of player mold. If the Giants draft a LB its probably a MLB. Ive said many times I like James Michael Johnson. I think he fits the Giants need and value well. He is aggressive with a mean streak without being stupid like Burfict. i just put up the Idaho tape 2 days ago.He didnt tackle all that well which bothered me but showed some pass coverage skill</p>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Boise State 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJDYldPnlZE) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title">*</div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Idaho 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Ux7AdRYlM) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title">*</div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Southern Miss … (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zVW6xDPHU) </div>

ugggghhhhh.... i dont know red not impressive what i saw. going up against pro nfl talent line men it looks like he will get stood up alot, he takes good angles to the ball. lets not discuss that idaho game smfh
The Idaho game was poor. The previous games I saw he didnt tackle like that. Remember this is a Middle round LB prospect im talking about here so there will be flaws.I see good Instincts,experience calling a defense, a leader, competes, solid pass coverage skills ,requisite size with some room to add.Stout enough between the tackles. Solid Blitzer, Great burst closing on the ball carrier. When your talking 3rd to 4th round LB prospects I think this is a good one.

Kruunch
02-16-2012, 02:01 PM
Keenan Robinson is a guy that I have a hard time grading.*I love his athletic ability,size, and Fluidity in pass coverage,He just does not *have good instincts. Nigel Bradham is the same thing. Both guys are around the same size, have the same upside, same type of flaws.Both just dont defend the run well. Can get over powered and have only average instincts. I keep coming back to the 2010 game tape with Robinson against Oklahoma when he was just all over the field making plays. If someone can unlock that player they could have a Star on there hands.</p>


I do think the Giants are set with those tyoe of LB's though.Boley and Jacquain Williams are solid OLB's in that type of player mold. If the Giants draft a LB its probably a MLB. Ive said many times I like James Michael Johnson. I think he fits the Giants need and value well. He is aggressive with a mean streak without being stupid like Burfict. i just put up the Idaho tape 2 days ago.He didnt tackle all that well which bothered me but showed some pass coverage skill</p>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Boise State 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJDYldPnlZE) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title">*</div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Idaho 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Ux7AdRYlM) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Southern Miss … (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zVW6xDPHU) </div>

ugggghhhhh.... i dont know red not impressive what i saw. going up against pro nfl talent line men it looks like he will get stood up alot, he takes good angles to the ball. lets not discuss that idaho game smfh
The Idaho game was poor. The previous games I saw he didnt tackle like that. Remember this is a Middle round LB prospect im talking about here so there will be flaws.I see good Instincts,experience calling a defense, a leader, competes, solid pass coverage skills ,requisite size with some room to add.Stout enough between the tackles. Solid Blitzer, Great burst closing on the ball carrier. When your talking 3rd to 4th round LB prospects I think this is a good one.

My problems with JMJ is that you can't use him in a Tampa 2 scheme (his pass coverage just isn't good enough) and he's small enough to get overpowered (on top of having a weak POA tackling grade) and he doesn't have sideline-to-sideline speed.

We already have that guy in Goff no? (and Goff is much better down hill)

Redeyejedi
02-16-2012, 02:51 PM
Keenan Robinson is a guy that I have a hard time grading.*I love his athletic ability,size, and Fluidity in pass coverage,He just does not *have good instincts. Nigel Bradham is the same thing. Both guys are around the same size, have the same upside, same type of flaws.Both just dont defend the run well. Can get over powered and have only average instincts. I keep coming back to the 2010 game tape with Robinson against Oklahoma when he was just all over the field making plays. If someone can unlock that player they could have a Star on there hands.</p>


I do think the Giants are set with those tyoe of LB's though.Boley and Jacquain Williams are solid OLB's in that type of player mold. If the Giants draft a LB its probably a MLB. Ive said many times I like James Michael Johnson. I think he fits the Giants need and value well. He is aggressive with a mean streak without being stupid like Burfict. i just put up the Idaho tape 2 days ago.He didnt tackle all that well which bothered me but showed some pass coverage skill</p>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Boise State 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJDYldPnlZE) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title">*</div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Idaho 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Ux7AdRYlM) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title">*</div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Southern Miss … (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zVW6xDPHU) </div>

ugggghhhhh.... i dont know red not impressive what i saw. going up against pro nfl talent line men it looks like he will get stood up alot, he takes good angles to the ball. lets not discuss that idaho game smfh
The Idaho game was poor. The previous games I saw he didnt tackle like that. Remember this is a Middle round LB prospect im talking about here so there will be flaws.I see good Instincts,experience calling a defense, a leader, competes, solid pass coverage skills ,requisite size with some room to add.Stout enough between the tackles. Solid Blitzer, Great burst closing on the ball carrier. When your talking 3rd to 4th round LB prospects I think this is a good one.

My problems with JMJ is that you can't use him in a Tampa 2 scheme (his pass coverage just isn't good enough) and he's small enough to get overpowered (on top of having a weak POA tackling grade) and he doesn't have sideline-to-sideline speed.

We already have that guy in Goff no? (and Goff is much better down hill)Goff's a FA.If he is brought back MLB isnt as much of a need. He is actually similar to Goff in a lot of ways.I think Goff is better against the run while Johnson is better against the pass. He is definitely a better prospect then Greg Jones though. James Michael Johnson is way more fluid in pass coverage then Chase Blackburn and they won the Super Bowl playing him

Redeyejedi
02-16-2012, 09:40 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/trapj99/status/170334944315453441/photo/1

Bruce irvin jumping over the head of Travis johnson

BigBlue2010
02-17-2012, 12:52 AM
What's up with Texas DT Kheeston Randall. I don't see his name on many DT lists but thought some of his youtube highlights looked promising. Should I assume he's inconsistent?

Redeyejedi
02-17-2012, 08:11 AM
What's up with Texas DT Kheeston Randall.* I don't see his name on many DT lists but thought some of his youtube highlights looked promising.* Should I assume he's inconsistent? Not enough of a pass rusher for the Giants , has good length though.Could be a 3-4 end

Redeyejedi
02-17-2012, 09:58 AM
Where is Sportzfan? havent seen him on here for a week

Raptor22
02-17-2012, 10:07 AM
Where is Sportzfan? havent seen him on here for a week

He posted a little while back that he was moving and wouldn't be able to get on for a while...

Hopefully he's back by the combine.

Iowa Giant
02-17-2012, 11:16 AM
Keenan Robinson is a guy that I have a hard time grading.*I love his athletic ability,size, and Fluidity in pass coverage,He just does not *have good instincts. Nigel Bradham is the same thing. Both guys are around the same size, have the same upside, same type of flaws.Both just dont defend the run well. Can get over powered and have only average instincts. I keep coming back to the 2010 game tape with Robinson against Oklahoma when he was just all over the field making plays. If someone can unlock that player they could have a Star on there hands.</p>


I do think the Giants are set with those tyoe of LB's though.Boley and Jacquain Williams are solid OLB's in that type of player mold. If the Giants draft a LB its probably a MLB. Ive said many times I like James Michael Johnson. I think he fits the Giants need and value well. He is aggressive with a mean streak without being stupid like Burfict. i just put up the Idaho tape 2 days ago.He didnt tackle all that well which bothered me but showed some pass coverage skill</p>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Boise State 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJDYldPnlZE) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title">*</div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Idaho 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Ux7AdRYlM) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title">*</div>
<div class="vm-video-title">James Michael Johnson vs Southern Miss … (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zVW6xDPHU) </div>

ugggghhhhh.... i dont know red not impressive what i saw. going up against pro nfl talent line men it looks like he will get stood up alot, he takes good angles to the ball. lets not discuss that idaho game smfh
The Idaho game was poor. The previous games I saw he didnt tackle like that. Remember this is a Middle round LB prospect im talking about here so there will be flaws.I see good Instincts,experience calling a defense, a leader, competes, solid pass coverage skills ,requisite size with some room to add.Stout enough between the tackles. Solid Blitzer, Great burst closing on the ball carrier. When your talking 3rd to 4th round LB prospects I think this is a good one.

My problems with JMJ is that you can't use him in a Tampa 2 scheme (his pass coverage just isn't good enough) and he's small enough to get overpowered (on top of having a weak POA tackling grade) and he doesn't have sideline-to-sideline speed.

We already have that guy in Goff no? (and Goff is much better down hill)Goff's a FA.If he is brought back MLB isnt as much of a need. He is actually similar to Goff in a lot of ways.I think Goff is better against the run while Johnson is better against the pass. He is definitely a better prospect then Greg Jones though. James Michael Johnson is way more fluid in pass coverage then Chase Blackburn and they won the Super Bowl playing himBlackburn was a completely different player after returning from being cut. I think we keep him and he has a legitimate shot at remaining the starter. He will never be the most athletic player, but he plays hard, makes plays(and misses the occasional tackle) and knows where he supposed to be. For the first time in a long time LB is NOT a primary need for us imo.

nycsportzfan
02-17-2012, 01:55 PM
i'm back guys!!! Just got some cheesy used toshiba for now, but at least its something...lol Now i gotta get back up to date with my research! Can't believe i haven't talked to u guys since before we won ourselves a SUPER BOWL and LINSANITY began!!!lol Great work in this thread since i've been gone guys! Congrats to the Giants and Knicks! Look forward to catching up with u guys over the next few days!

nycsportzfan
02-17-2012, 01:56 PM
Where is Sportzfan? havent seen him on here for a week It was a struggle watching the Giants win the SB and not be able to talk with u guys! Surprised howmuch i missed this MB!

nycsportzfan
02-17-2012, 02:44 PM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof, because of his playing in a option offense, u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill... Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3, u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well.... If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us(i think Mario is 100pct gone)

juice33s
02-17-2012, 05:38 PM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof, because of his playing in a option offense, u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill... Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3, u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well.... If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us<font size="5">(i think Mario is 100pct gone)</font>

Sadly I think you're right. From what I gather, Manningham feels he can be a star in this league and playing behind Cruz and Nicks will simply not give him the opportunity to do so....Peter King said something along the lines of some team will offer him around 7mil per, which is far more then the G-Men will be willing to spend

nycsportzfan
02-17-2012, 07:09 PM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof, because of his playing in a option offense, u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill... Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3, u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well.... If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us<FONT size=5>(i think Mario is 100pct gone)</FONT>

Sadly I think you're right. From what I gather, Manningham feels he can be a star in this league and playing behind Cruz and Nicks will simply not give him the opportunity to do so....Peter King said something along the lines of some team will offer him around 7mil per, which is far more then the G-Men will be willing to spend
Ya, i could see Mario with the Jags or 49ers, come Free Agency period...

heavyhitter
02-17-2012, 08:07 PM
<font size="2">Looks to be a deep class for CB's and WR's. Touchdown Tommy Streeter is a real intriguing prospect. 6"4, 215 lbs, great size/speed, and one of the better deep ball threats in this class. Would be nice if the Giants could snatch him up in the mid rounds of the draft! </font>

heavyhitter
02-17-2012, 08:08 PM
https://twitter.com/#!/trapj99/status/170334944315453441/photo/1

Bruce irvin jumping over the head of Travis johnson<font size="2">Damn, that's crazy</font>

nycsportzfan
02-18-2012, 06:42 AM
<FONT size=2>Looks to be a deep class for CB's and WR's. Touchdown Tommy Streeter is a real intriguing prospect. 6"4, 215 lbs, great size/speed, and one of the better deep ball threats in this class. Would be nice if the Giants could snatch him up in the mid rounds of the draft! </FONT>
RB is pretty deep as well.. Even after the top of the RB crop, theres a good crop of RB's who could be steals in the 4th-5th rd range.. Guys like Dan Herron, Vick Ballard, Marc Tyler, Terrance Ganaway, and so on and so fourth.. Davin Meggett is a guy i like as a late rd sleeper....

nycsportzfan
02-18-2012, 06:48 AM
I wonder how the Giants brass is feeling about James Brewer? I could see Bobbie Massie as a guy the giants would love to get last pick in RD 2.. I could see them trade up a few picks for him, to be hoenst.. I think Massie is gonna be a stout RT in the NFL, and many had em as a 1st rder going into this season..

Redeyejedi
02-18-2012, 08:07 AM
I think Fletcher Cox may be the best DT in this class. The last 7 games of the season he just mauled people. He has elite agility,great speed and a high running motor. The only thing holding him back is his technique which is sloppy.I think he will run faster then Austin at the combine as well. He is scheme specific as he really only is a gap shooter. I have seen Mock drafts with the Eagles taking him.I really hope they dont.he would be an absolute terror in there defense

BillTheGreek
02-18-2012, 09:54 AM
Isn't it a LITTLE too early for this?????????? Who knows how our new picks will fare this year?</P>


In case U didnt notice Ive been touching on the spots we didnt address. Im projecting are needs for 2011** LB/C/RB* and next CB and RT. If your not interested U dont have to contribute. I follow CFB and its players so Im informed when the draft rolls around. Im sharing with others, players that I will be watching this coming season and asking*posters to do the same.*Unlike most I watch the games and have my own opinions that are*not formed by reading Draftdog 2 months before the draft*</P>

i think we go O-line in next years draft, everyone on our line is over thirty or close to it exception being snee

I want a running back with speed please.

I want a running back with speed also,on the order of Wes Welker............

Redeyejedi
02-18-2012, 10:26 AM
Isn't it a LITTLE too early for this?????????? Who knows how our new picks will fare this year?</P>


In case U didnt notice Ive been touching on the spots we didnt address. Im projecting are needs for 2011** LB/C/RB* and next CB and RT. If your not interested U dont have to contribute. I follow CFB and its players so Im informed when the draft rolls around. Im sharing with others, players that I will be watching this coming season and asking*posters to do the same.*Unlike most I watch the games and have my own opinions that are*not formed by reading Draftdog 2 months before the draft*</P>

i think we go O-line in next years draft, everyone on our line is over thirty or close to it exception being snee

I want a running back with speed please.

I want a running back with speed also,on the order of Wes Welker............that post is from before the last draft it is almost 2 years old.

BluGiantPies
02-18-2012, 10:38 AM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof*, because of his playing in a option offense,* u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill...* Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks* were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3,* u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..*The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well....* If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us(i think Mario is 100pct gone)
I feel the same way about hill he needs some polish but he's
got serious potential. I really wouldn't mind him as our second rd pick if he's there.

Redeyejedi
02-18-2012, 10:49 AM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof*, because of his playing in a option offense,* u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill...* Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks* were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3,* u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..*The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well....* If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us(i think Mario is 100pct gone)
I feel the same way about hill he needs some polish but he's
got serious potential. I really wouldn't mind him as our second rd pick if he's there.Hills hands are suspect and shows lapses of concentration. The concentration thing could be he only gets thrown to 3 times a game.

Streeter is an awful route runner

nycsportzfan
02-18-2012, 03:04 PM
I think Fletcher Cox may be the best DT in this class. The last 7 games of the season he just mauled people. He has elite agility,great speed and a high running motor. The only thing holding him back is his technique which is sloppy.I think he will run faster then Austin at the combine as well. He is scheme specific as he really only is a gap shooter. I have seen Mock drafts with the Eagles taking him.I really hope they dont.he would be an absolute terror in there defenseI've been high on Fletcher COx, and hes a guy id love if somehow snuck to the giants... I got em right there with Devon Still, and that is pretty close, and ahead of brockers... Cox has mauling strength and just bulldozes his way into the backfield... I would hate the Eagles to draft him...

nycsportzfan
02-18-2012, 06:29 PM
never got to do my last mock after the super bowl, so i'm doing it now.. What a ride, the 2011 season was for us.. </P>


1. Dwayne Allen Te Clemson- I think Allen makes to much sense, and if hes there, with the injury to ballard and beckum, will be the pick... Allen would also help ease the pain of losing mario as well(if we do lose mario, which i think we will)</P>


2. Bobbie Massie Ot Ole Miss- A really solid tackle prospect, whos under the radar some , for the bad season the rebels had this past yr, but i can remember seeing Massie as a 1st rder by some going into this past season.. Massie would give us depth at the Tackle positon, which is a need, and he could challenge James Brewer for the future at RT, and probably fill in for Will Beatty down the line at LT if need be...</P>


3. Nigel Bradham Lb Fla St- Good looking thumper from FLA ST, who could probably play Strongside, and weakside if need be.... Great intensity, which would fit well with the young players we got coming along on defnese..</P>


4. Vick Ballard Rb Miss St- Thumper would be great duo back with Bradshaw going forward, regardless if we keep BJ or not.. Very underrated in a class full of depth at RB...</P>


5. Tysyn Hartman S Kan St- good size and length, and makes plays.. Was heart of backfield on stong defensive unit at K-st this past season... Kinda flying under the radar, and could fill the role Deon Grant played for us the past couple seasons..</P>


6. Chandler Harnish Qb No Illinois- Nice developmental QB, who can run with the ball and throw it..</P>


7. D'anton Lynn Cb Penn St- fits the giants prefrence of bigger stronger CB's, and could possibly stick..</P>

BlueSanta
02-18-2012, 07:25 PM
never got to do my last mock after the super bowl, so i'm doing it now.. What a ride, the 2011 season was for us.. </p>


1. Dwayne Allen Te Clemson- I think Allen makes to much sense, and if hes there, with the injury to ballard and beckum, will be the pick... Allen would also help ease the pain of losing mario as well(if we do lose mario, which i think we will)</p>


2. Bobbie Massie Ot Ole Miss- A really solid tackle prospect, whos under the radar some , for the bad season the rebels had this past yr, but i can remember seeing Massie as a 1st rder by some going into this past season.. Massie would give us depth at the Tackle positon, which is a need, and he could challenge James Brewer for the future at RT, and probably fill in for Will Beatty down the line at LT if need be...</p>


3. Nigel Bradham Lb Fla St- Good looking thumper from FLA ST, who could probably play Strongside, and weakside if need be.... Great intensity, which would fit well with the young players we got coming along on defnese..</p>


4. Vick Ballard Rb Miss St- Thumper would be great duo back with Bradshaw going forward, regardless if we keep BJ or not.. Very underrated in a class full of depth at RB...</p>


5. Tysyn Hartman S Kan St- good size and length, and makes plays.. Was heart of backfield on stong defensive unit at K-st this past season... Kinda flying under the radar, and could fill the role Deon Grant played for us the past couple seasons..</p>


6. Chandler Harnish Qb No Illinois- Nice developmental QB, who can run with the ball and throw it..</p>


7. D'anton Lynn Cb Penn St- fits the giants prefrence of bigger stronger CB's, and could possibly stick..</p>

I would be VERY happy with those picks, particularly round 1-4

nycsportzfan
02-19-2012, 12:25 AM
never got to do my last mock after the super bowl, so i'm doing it now.. What a ride, the 2011 season was for us.. </P>


1. Dwayne Allen Te Clemson- I think Allen makes to much sense, and if hes there, with the injury to ballard and beckum, will be the pick... Allen would also help ease the pain of losing mario as well(if we do lose mario, which i think we will)</P>


2. Bobbie Massie Ot Ole Miss- A really solid tackle prospect, whos under the radar some , for the bad season the rebels had this past yr, but i can remember seeing Massie as a 1st rder by some going into this past season.. Massie would give us depth at the Tackle positon, which is a need, and he could challenge James Brewer for the future at RT, and probably fill in for Will Beatty down the line at LT if need be...</P>


3. Nigel Bradham Lb Fla St- Good looking thumper from FLA ST, who could probably play Strongside, and weakside if need be.... Great intensity, which would fit well with the young players we got coming along on defnese..</P>


4. Vick Ballard Rb Miss St- Thumper would be great duo back with Bradshaw going forward, regardless if we keep BJ or not.. Very underrated in a class full of depth at RB...</P>


5. Tysyn Hartman S Kan St- good size and length, and makes plays.. Was heart of backfield on stong defensive unit at K-st this past season... Kinda flying under the radar, and could fill the role Deon Grant played for us the past couple seasons..</P>


6. Chandler Harnish Qb No Illinois- Nice developmental QB, who can run with the ball and throw it..</P>


7. D'anton Lynn Cb Penn St- fits the giants prefrence of bigger stronger CB's, and could possibly stick..</P>




I would be VERY happy with those picks, particularly round 1-4
thanks.. Alot of offense in first 4rds, but solid value, and at positons that could become area's of need real quick with injuries and or age/ guys gettting cut... Vick Ballard won't light up the combine, but on the field, he shows a good burst, power, and balance... I could see him being a lead horse one day, possibly... </P>


I watched Tysyn Hartman play towards end of season, and was really impressed with his all around game, despite not being a total blazer.. Whats your take on him, just outta curiousity? I did have Sean Cattouse as my safety in the rd 4-6 range, but now i got Tysyn Hartman ahead of him by a bit, if we go safety in mid rd's..</P>

slipknottin
02-19-2012, 03:20 AM
I think Fletcher Cox may be the best DT in this class. The last 7 games of the season he just mauled people. He has elite agility,great speed and a high running motor. The only thing holding him back is his technique which is sloppy.I think he will run faster then Austin at the combine as well. He is scheme specific as he really only is a gap shooter. I have seen Mock drafts with the Eagles taking him.I really hope they dont.he would be an absolute terror in there defense

I could see Cox actually being a great fit for a 1 gap 3-4 team. He is a really good penetrating 5 tech, which he was asked to do a ton in college.

Im not sure what size he played at in college, but i somewhat doubt he was over 290. Either way though, he still played like he was a 260 pound end.

Would be interesting if he was on the board at 32. That lateral agility he has, if he ever mastered a swim move, lookout, would be quite the terror inside.

nycsportzfan
02-19-2012, 09:02 AM
I think Fletcher Cox may be the best DT in this class. The last 7 games of the season he just mauled people. He has elite agility,great speed and a high running motor. The only thing holding him back is his technique which is sloppy.I think he will run faster then Austin at the combine as well. He is scheme specific as he really only is a gap shooter. I have seen Mock drafts with the Eagles taking him.I really hope they dont.he would be an absolute terror in there defense I could see Cox actually being a great fit for a 1 gap 3-4 team. He is a really good penetrating 5 tech, which he was asked to do a ton in college. Im not sure what size he played at in college, but i somewhat doubt he was over 290. Either way though, he still played like he was a 260 pound end. Would be interesting if he was on the board at 32. That lateral agility he has, if he ever mastered a swim move, lookout, would be quite the terror inside. He reminds me of a bulldog, which is ironic, because he played for the bulldogs.. I think hes got underrated strength, that probably has something to do with his tenacious motor, which never stops.. He plays angry and always at 100pct, which i love.. Its a trait i seen in JPP and Whitney Mercilus as well.. Those are the type of guys i really like to have on the team, talented guys with big motors, that force turnovers... I think hes gonna weight 300 at least, and possibly a few lbs more.. He looks like hes jacked for a DT and muscle weighs...

nycsportzfan
02-19-2012, 09:07 AM
Heres a great Scouting Report on Whitney Mercilus from Walts site.. I pretty much coulden't agree more, and he sees him as a riser by draft day, just as i do... </P>


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<LI>Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


<LI>Defensive End


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<CENTER><FONT size=3><FONT size=5>Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </FONT>
<FONT size=3>By Charlie Campbell </FONT>

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<DIV class=article>Strengths:
<LI>Raw speed to turn the edge
<LI>Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
<LI>Strength
<LI>Repertoire of moves
<LI>Active hands
<LI>Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
<LI>Always looking to force fumbles
<LI>Quick get off
<LI>Shedding blocks when pass rushing
<LI>Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
<LI>Extremely athletic



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Weaknesses:
<LI>One-year wonder
<LI>Lacks complete body of work in college
<LI>Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


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Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus.
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bLuereverie
02-19-2012, 09:16 AM
It seems that we also have the scouting report on Mercilus' social security, love for anime and potential future baby daughter. That's what I call thorough analysis!

nycsportzfan
02-19-2012, 10:29 AM
It seems that we also have the scouting report on Mercilus' social security, love for anime and potential future baby daughter. That's what I call thorough analysis! ya, my bad, didn't mean to copy all that junk with the scouting report..lol

nycsportzfan
02-19-2012, 12:34 PM
watching this college football all star challenge on ESPNU, and its funny as they had a Marine do the Obstacle Course before the players, and i swear, the marine looked 100pct better then all the LB's and Isaiah Pead...lol They bumbled around and the marine was totally smooth and not nearly as tired after the event as the players...lol

vinnie_vegas69
02-19-2012, 12:42 PM
Weird additional code aside, we can't really be thinking about drafting another top end DE, can we? If we lose Osi, using Kiwi more at DE behind Tuck and JPP and drafting a proper LB makes more sense than drafting yet another DE, doesn't it?

Ah, who am I kidding? This is the Giants we're talking about, so it will be no LBs and a DE in the 1st or 2nd, to my shock and amazement, yet again. I could see us taking Nick Perry or Mercilus in the first and having everyone scratching their heads like they were (and I was, admittedly) when we took JPP and Linval in 2010, and passed up the top LBs altogether. I'm man enough to admit that I thought we were crazy to pass on Brandon Spikes when he was still there for our #46 pick, and while Spikes is pretty nice, Linval is probably more valuable in the end.

Now that I expect it, they'll probably draft DLs at both #32 and #64 just to make my head explode again. Trying to pick the Giants' drafting strategy is pointless.

Real talk though - It is pretty crazy to think that we're all sitting here discussing the possibility that a team that has basically won two Superbowls in five years on the strength of their DL, might actually be using a 1st or 2nd round pick on a DE.

Michael Vick, Tony Romo and whoever ends up starting for Washington must <u>hate</u> the Giants front office with a passion :D. What other division in football has to deal with a team so consistently and openly focused on committing violent assault on opposing QBs?

JPP reserved 9 of his 16.5 sacks just for our divisional rivals [:O] You'd almost feel sorry for them if it wasn't happening to teams that so thoroughly, thoroughly deserved it... [6]

BlueSanta
02-19-2012, 01:24 PM
never got to do my last mock after the super bowl, so i'm doing it now.. What a ride, the 2011 season was for us.. </p>


1. Dwayne Allen Te Clemson- I think Allen makes to much sense, and if hes there, with the injury to ballard and beckum, will be the pick... Allen would also help ease the pain of losing mario as well(if we do lose mario, which i think we will)</p>


2. Bobbie Massie Ot Ole Miss- A really solid tackle prospect, whos under the radar some , for the bad season the rebels had this past yr, but i can remember seeing Massie as a 1st rder by some going into this past season.. Massie would give us depth at the Tackle positon, which is a need, and he could challenge James Brewer for the future at RT, and probably fill in for Will Beatty down the line at LT if need be...</p>


3. Nigel Bradham Lb Fla St- Good looking thumper from FLA ST, who could probably play Strongside, and weakside if need be.... Great intensity, which would fit well with the young players we got coming along on defnese..</p>


4. Vick Ballard Rb Miss St- Thumper would be great duo back with Bradshaw going forward, regardless if we keep BJ or not.. Very underrated in a class full of depth at RB...</p>


5. Tysyn Hartman S Kan St- good size and length, and makes plays.. Was heart of backfield on stong defensive unit at K-st this past season... Kinda flying under the radar, and could fill the role Deon Grant played for us the past couple seasons..</p>


6. Chandler Harnish Qb No Illinois- Nice developmental QB, who can run with the ball and throw it..</p>


7. D'anton Lynn Cb Penn St- fits the giants prefrence of bigger stronger CB's, and could possibly stick..</p>




I would be VERY happy with those picks, particularly round 1-4
thanks.. Alot of offense in first 4rds, but solid value, and at positons that could become area's of need real quick with injuries and or age/ guys gettting cut... Vick Ballard won't light up the combine, but on the field, he shows a good burst, power, and balance... I could see him being a lead horse one day, possibly... </p>


If we choose not to go for 1 of the early RB prospects, then I love Ballard for us. Although, I do not think he will last until the last pick in the 4th round, not after the senior bowl week he had.

The thing I really like about him, and the reason I think he fits well for us, is the instinctive way he waits for his blocks. It would be very disapointing to see him get drafted by a team that doesnt use a fullback. I mean no disrespect to Bradshaw or Jacobs, but these are 2 guys who have never been good at waiting for blocks. Jacobs has a bad habbit of tying to go outside if the hole isnt immediately there and Bradshaw will cutback or find another crack. But, we dont have a guy who waits for the Fullback or pulling guard to set his block. I think we need it for short yardage situations.


I like his stout compact build, the way he carries the football, his north south tendency and the way he will just plant and drive if the play seems to have broken down. This kid has what it takes to be a good short yardage back. I also think he is faster than given credit.

BlueSanta
02-19-2012, 01:26 PM
watching this college football all star challenge on ESPNU, and its funny as they had a Marine do the Obstacle Course before the players, and i swear, the marine looked 100pct better then all the LB's and Isaiah Pead...lol They bumbled around and the marine was totally smooth and not nearly as tired after the event as the players...lol

Marine is bpa!

critters
02-20-2012, 11:02 AM
I wonder how the Giants brass is feeling about James Brewer? I could see Bobbie Massie as a guy the giants would love to get last pick in RD 2.. I could see them trade up a few picks for him, to be hoenst.. I think Massie is gonna be a stout RT in the NFL, and many had em as a 1st rder going into this season..

Be prepared to give Massie some time if we get him. He shouldn't leave college yet IMO. He hasn't at all lived up to his potential but can probably develop into a good player in time. I think the 2nd is too early for him based on what I've seen from him at college. I really didn't think he had a chance of going in the first 3 rounds but tackles tend to get a little overhyped in drafts so sometimes you have to reach. He's definitely got a lot of upside though.

heavyhitter
02-20-2012, 04:50 PM
<font size="2">Carolina Panthers seem to be showing a lot of interest in LSU DT Michael Brockers. This will be his second time meeting up w/ the team.</font>
<font size="3"><span class="tl">Carolina Panthers hosting Michael Brockers on March 8 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=michael+brockers+news&amp;source=web&amp; cd=6&amp;ved=0CEYQqQIwBQ&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mockingt hedraft.com%2F2012%2F2%2F17%2F2806920%2Fcarolina-panthers-hosting-michael-brockers-on-march-8&amp;ei=8L5CT7i4DMXh0gGg1dW2Bw&amp;usg=AFQjCNFFwLisU1UPTH Nmmd2C90RTUWDI7A&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>

nycsportzfan
02-20-2012, 05:40 PM
I wonder how the Giants brass is feeling about James Brewer? I could see Bobbie Massie as a guy the giants would love to get last pick in RD 2.. I could see them trade up a few picks for him, to be hoenst.. I think Massie is gonna be a stout RT in the NFL, and many had em as a 1st rder going into this season..

Be prepared to give Massie some time if we get him. He shouldn't leave college yet IMO. He hasn't at all lived up to his potential but can probably develop into a good player in time. I think the 2nd is too early for him based on what I've seen from him at college. I really didn't think he had a chance of going in the first 3 rounds but tackles tend to get a little overhyped in drafts so sometimes you have to reach. He's definitely got a lot of upside though.
i dissagree totally.. He just happened to be on a dreadful team, but the one thing they did well, was run the ball and not allow sacks, and alot of that was due to the play of Bobbie Massie.. Hes light on his feet, especially for a guy his size, and hes got bigtime power , and durability.. Hes got a great attitude from what i've read as well.. I think hes gonna be a bigtime steal if u get him anywhere outside of the first round...

nycsportzfan
02-20-2012, 05:43 PM
never got to do my last mock after the super bowl, so i'm doing it now.. What a ride, the 2011 season was for us.. </P>


1. Dwayne Allen Te Clemson- I think Allen makes to much sense, and if hes there, with the injury to ballard and beckum, will be the pick... Allen would also help ease the pain of losing mario as well(if we do lose mario, which i think we will)</P>


2. Bobbie Massie Ot Ole Miss- A really solid tackle prospect, whos under the radar some , for the bad season the rebels had this past yr, but i can remember seeing Massie as a 1st rder by some going into this past season.. Massie would give us depth at the Tackle positon, which is a need, and he could challenge James Brewer for the future at RT, and probably fill in for Will Beatty down the line at LT if need be...</P>


3. Nigel Bradham Lb Fla St- Good looking thumper from FLA ST, who could probably play Strongside, and weakside if need be.... Great intensity, which would fit well with the young players we got coming along on defnese..</P>


4. Vick Ballard Rb Miss St- Thumper would be great duo back with Bradshaw going forward, regardless if we keep BJ or not.. Very underrated in a class full of depth at RB...</P>


5. Tysyn Hartman S Kan St- good size and length, and makes plays.. Was heart of backfield on stong defensive unit at K-st this past season... Kinda flying under the radar, and could fill the role Deon Grant played for us the past couple seasons..</P>


6. Chandler Harnish Qb No Illinois- Nice developmental QB, who can run with the ball and throw it..</P>


7. D'anton Lynn Cb Penn St- fits the giants prefrence of bigger stronger CB's, and could possibly stick..</P>




I would be VERY happy with those picks, particularly round 1-4
thanks.. Alot of offense in first 4rds, but solid value, and at positons that could become area's of need real quick with injuries and or age/ guys gettting cut... Vick Ballard won't light up the combine, but on the field, he shows a good burst, power, and balance... I could see him being a lead horse one day, possibly... </P>

If we choose not to go for 1 of the early RB prospects, then I love Ballard for us. Although, I do not think he will last until the last pick in the 4th round, not after the senior bowl week he had.

The thing I really like about him, and the reason I think he fits well for us, is the instinctive way he waits for his blocks. It would be very disapointing to see him get drafted by a team that doesnt use a fullback. I mean no disrespect to Bradshaw or Jacobs, but these are 2 guys who have never been good at waiting for blocks. Jacobs has a bad habbit of tying to go outside if the hole isnt immediately there and Bradshaw will cutback or find another crack. But, we dont have a guy who waits for the Fullback or pulling guard to set his block. I think we need it for short yardage situations.


I like his stout compact build, the way he carries the football, his north south tendency and the way he will just plant and drive if the play seems to have broken down. This kid has what it takes to be a good short yardage back. I also think he is faster than given credit.
Great Insight! I also agree about his stout build being appealling and the way he waits for blocks will be huge for us, especially when u got a guy like Hynoski leading the way...

critters
02-20-2012, 05:53 PM
I wonder how the Giants brass is feeling about James Brewer? I could see Bobbie Massie as a guy the giants would love to get last pick in RD 2.. I could see them trade up a few picks for him, to be hoenst.. I think Massie is gonna be a stout RT in the NFL, and many had em as a 1st rder going into this season..

Be prepared to give Massie some time if we get him. He shouldn't leave college yet IMO. He hasn't at all lived up to his potential but can probably develop into a good player in time. I think the 2nd is too early for him based on what I've seen from him at college. I really didn't think he had a chance of going in the first 3 rounds but tackles tend to get a little overhyped in drafts so sometimes you have to reach. He's definitely got a lot of upside though.
i dissagree totally.. He just happened to be on a dreadful team, but the one thing they did well, was run the ball and not allow sacks, and alot of that was due to the play of Bobbie Massie.. Hes light on his feet, especially for a guy his size, and hes got bigtime power , and durability.. Hes got a great attitude from what i've read as well.. I think hes gonna be a bigtime steal if u get him anywhere outside of the first round...

If we get him, I hope you're right. I watched him coming out of high school and throughout college and was always a big fan. Just don't view him right now as a guy that would push for time as a rookie, but is definitely loaded with potential. And you are right on his attitude, I've always heard good things about him in that regard. Don't get me wrong, he's a guy I'd like to have, but a guy I think could benefit from another year in college. In the 2nd round there are guys I would rather have. I never really complain with early OL picks though.

lawl
02-20-2012, 06:13 PM
If you're evaluating a rb based purely on his ability in the passing game who are the top 3 or 5 guys this year?

heavyhitter
02-20-2012, 06:17 PM
If you're evaluating a rb based purely on his ability in the passing game who are the top 3 or 5 guys this year?<font size="2">Are you talking about RB's w/ pass catching ability?</font>

Redeyejedi
02-20-2012, 06:18 PM
I didnt do this one its from Marioclp at Draftbreakdown thought there would be interest

George Iloka vs SDSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9t16HkFMmz4&feature=youtu.be

lawl
02-20-2012, 06:28 PM
If you're evaluating a rb based purely on his ability in the passing game who are the top 3 or 5 guys this year?<font size="2">Are you talking about RB's w/ pass catching ability?</font>


Yes

heavyhitter
02-20-2012, 06:36 PM
If you're evaluating a rb based purely on his ability in the passing game who are the top 3 or 5 guys this year?<font size="2">Are you talking about RB's w/ pass catching ability?</font>


Yes<font size="2">Outside of Trent Richardson, Virginia Tech RB David Wilson may have the best hands (stats won't show it). Doug Martin (Boise St.) and Isaiah Pead (Cincinnati) are also both big time threats catching the ball &amp; in open space. </font>

slipknottin
02-20-2012, 06:54 PM
After listening to Mayock a bit, turned on some games of Midwestern state to watch Amini Silatolu.

Played LT for them, but he is only 6'3, he needs to have really long arms to stay outside, but my god the kid moves well and is really really nasty.

juice33s
02-20-2012, 07:43 PM
After listening to Mayock a bit, turned on some games of Midwestern state to watch Amini Silatolu.

Played LT for them, but he is only 6'3, he needs to have really long arms to stay outside, but my god the kid moves well and is really really nasty.
Where do you get Midwestern State games from? I'd like to watch

slipknottin
02-20-2012, 08:01 PM
After listening to Mayock a bit, turned on some games of Midwestern state to watch Amini Silatolu.

Played LT for them, but he is only 6'3, he needs to have really long arms to stay outside, but my god the kid moves well and is really really nasty.
Where do you get Midwestern State games from? I'd like to watch


Actually I just watched youtube highlight videos of the team. There are a few on there.

I swear some of their games used to be on espn3 too, but i guess they took all the football games down

nycsportzfan
02-21-2012, 06:49 AM
I wonder how the Giants brass is feeling about James Brewer? I could see Bobbie Massie as a guy the giants would love to get last pick in RD 2.. I could see them trade up a few picks for him, to be hoenst.. I think Massie is gonna be a stout RT in the NFL, and many had em as a 1st rder going into this season..

Be prepared to give Massie some time if we get him. He shouldn't leave college yet IMO. He hasn't at all lived up to his potential but can probably develop into a good player in time. I think the 2nd is too early for him based on what I've seen from him at college. I really didn't think he had a chance of going in the first 3 rounds but tackles tend to get a little overhyped in drafts so sometimes you have to reach. He's definitely got a lot of upside though.
i dissagree totally.. He just happened to be on a dreadful team, but the one thing they did well, was run the ball and not allow sacks, and alot of that was due to the play of Bobbie Massie.. Hes light on his feet, especially for a guy his size, and hes got bigtime power , and durability.. Hes got a great attitude from what i've read as well.. I think hes gonna be a bigtime steal if u get him anywhere outside of the first round...

If we get him, I hope you're right. I watched him coming out of high school and throughout college and was always a big fan. Just don't view him right now as a guy that would push for time as a rookie, but is definitely loaded with potential. And you are right on his attitude, I've always heard good things about him in that regard. Don't get me wrong, he's a guy I'd like to have, but a guy I think could benefit from another year in college. In the 2nd round there are guys I would rather have. I never really complain with early OL picks though.
I was a big James Brewer fan last yr, and spoke highly of him going into the draft, and was hoping he was our pick when we got him, but i don't know for sure how hes done in practice this yr, and i'm all about having a guy with some competiton anyways, and Tackle is extremely old positon for us, and depth is a concern, and Massie is a guy i could see possibly being able to help at LT in a pinch , and certainly be a cog at the RT positon.. Those long arms, and ability to drive block are big turn ons, and the fact hes got a good head on his shoulders is a big bonus as well.. I believe if Ole Miss was a better team, he'd be a possible 1st roudner , but because they were so dreadful, i feel hes kinda getting over looked a bit.. I think he'd be a huge steal in RD 2, albeit, theres plenty of other players i would like as well

nycsportzfan
02-21-2012, 06:51 AM
After listening to Mayock a bit, turned on some games of Midwestern state to watch Amini Silatolu. Played LT for them, but he is only 6'3, he needs to have really long arms to stay outside, but my god the kid moves well and is really really nasty. Its funny u mention Amini Silatolu, becuase about a month and a half ago, i did a bit of research on em, and was really intrigued, and posted in this thread, asking if anyone knew anything about the kid, but got no responses.. Mayock is high on the kid, i take it? Makes sense, judged by what i read awhile back.. I'm certainly intrigued..

nycsportzfan
02-21-2012, 06:57 AM
A guy i mentioned awhile back in the "SLEEPER" thread, who i'm really intrigued by, and can't wait to see how he does at the combine, is Demario Davis LB Arkansas St.. Dude is tenacious, and very fiery and hard hitting... He was a late add to the Sr Bowl, and supposedly held his own, and i watched his bowl game, where he was pretty solid making plays behind the line of scrimmage(6tck 2tfl 1sack).. Keep a eye on this kid in the RD 4-6 range...

slipknottin
02-21-2012, 04:52 PM
Mayock is high on the kid, i take it?** Makes sense, judged by what i read awhile back.. I'm certainly intrigued..

Mayock said he moves very well for a big kid, and hes really nasty. Thinks he is a 2nd round pick

critters
02-22-2012, 10:54 AM
A guy i mentioned awhile back in the "SLEEPER" thread, who i'm really intrigued by, and can't wait to see how he does at the combine, is Demario Davis LB Arkansas St.. Dude is tenacious, and very fiery and hard hitting... He was a late add to the Sr Bowl, and supposedly held his own, and i watched his bowl game, where he was pretty solid making plays behind the line of scrimmage(6tck 2tfl 1sack).. Keep a eye on this kid in the RD 4-6 range...

Agreed. Been listing him as one of my top sleepers in all my mock drafts (and in the top 5 sleepers thread). Hadn't seen anyone else mention him so glad to see someone else is on the same page. Really want him.

Kase-1
02-22-2012, 01:08 PM
Whats the deal with Cody Glenn, it seems like every other report I read he's changing from OG to OT. The guy is a MONSTER just based on size alone, but can he step up and handle the speed guys he'll face on the outside in the NFL??

nycsportzfan
02-22-2012, 04:58 PM
Whats the deal with Cody Glenn, it seems like every other report I read he's changing from OG to OT. The guy is a MONSTER just based on size alone, but can he step up and handle the speed guys he'll face on the outside in the NFL??
Some think he tops out as a road grading RT, and at worst a road grading G is all.. I think the Giants will show interest in Cordy Glenn, based on the fact that hes a road grader and could possibly be versatile enough to play G and T... Mike Adams and Cordy Glenn are 2 guys i expect the Giants to work out...

tonyt830
02-22-2012, 05:07 PM
Whats the deal with Cody Glenn, it seems like every other report I read he's changing from OG to OT. The guy is a MONSTER just based on size alone, but can he step up and handle the speed guys he'll face on the outside in the NFL??
Some think he tops out as a road grading RT, and at worst a road grading G is all.. I think the Giants will show interest in Cordy Glenn, based on the fact that hes a road grader and could possibly be versatile enough to play G and T... Mike Adams and Cordy Glenn are 2 guys i expect the Giants to work out...nyc, I would not mind seeing Adams drop to us at 32. I think there were a couple sites/mocks(can't remember which)that mentioned Adams or Glenn being there for the Giants at 32.

nycsportzfan
02-22-2012, 05:19 PM
Whats the deal with Cody Glenn, it seems like every other report I read he's changing from OG to OT. The guy is a MONSTER just based on size alone, but can he step up and handle the speed guys he'll face on the outside in the NFL??
Some think he tops out as a road grading RT, and at worst a road grading G is all.. I think the Giants will show interest in Cordy Glenn, based on the fact that hes a road grader and could possibly be versatile enough to play G and T... Mike Adams and Cordy Glenn are 2 guys i expect the Giants to work out...nyc, I would not mind seeing Adams drop to us at 32. I think there were a couple sites/mocks(can't remember which)that mentioned Adams or Glenn being there for the Giants at 32. I've always expected Mike Adams to Go eariler then i seen mocks have him go, based on the fact, hes had a good career at a a Top School, and has just a perfect NFL OT body, with nice long arms... I really expect the Giants would have to trade up to select Adams, and to be honest, i woulden't be surprised if they were to move up for adams.. Not that there gonna, but if there was a player i thought the giants might trade up for, Mike Adams would be right near the top of my list... I think Mike Adams is gonna be a very solid OT in the NFL for the next 10yrs..

nycsportzfan
02-23-2012, 12:37 PM
Glad to see people give Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St alittle love.. I seen hes made Brandt's hot 100, and i noticed him in i believe it was Walt Footballs 4rd mock.. I remember seeing him as a 5th-7th rd draft pick for awhile, which had me put him on my sleeper list and in the sleeper thread, as the guys just really productive, mind u not that athletic, but very very strong... Tyrone Crawford would be a nice 4th rd draftpick for the Giants, if there in a positon to snag another pass rusher, and the draft lines up that way..

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 12:46 PM
Whats the deal with Cody Glenn, it seems like every other report I read he's changing from OG to OT. The guy is a MONSTER just based on size alone, but can he step up and handle the speed guys he'll face on the outside in the NFL??
Some think he tops out as a road grading RT, and at worst a road grading G is all.. I think the Giants will show interest in Cordy Glenn, based on the fact that hes a road grader and could possibly be versatile enough to play G and T... Mike Adams and Cordy Glenn are 2 guys i expect the Giants to work out...nyc, I would not mind seeing Adams drop to us at 32. I think there were a couple sites/mocks(can't remember which)that mentioned Adams or Glenn being there for the Giants at 32. I've always expected Mike Adams to Go eariler then i seen mocks have him go, based on the fact, hes had a good career at a a Top School, and has just a perfect NFL OT body, with nice long arms... I really expect the Giants would have to trade up to select Adams, and to be honest, i woulden't be surprised if they were to move up for adams.. Not that there gonna, but if there was a player i thought the giants might trade up for, Mike Adams would be right near the top of my list... I think Mike Adams is gonna be a very solid OT in the NFL for the next 10yrs..Maybe its wishful thinking, but I have a feeling that this year like every year, someone will plummet in the draft and like we did with Prince last season, hopefully we can pounce on someone like Adams if teams look at a player like Jon Martin before Adams..... Then again it could be either one who slips

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 12:48 PM
Whats the deal with Taze Burfict slipping in everyones rankings, its not like he's a problem OFF of the field. LOL

(isnt it funny, his ON field behavior not off field behavior is whats making him drop)

The guy seems to be a damned beast on the field, the way it sounds he may be available in the 2nd round, Id love for us to make a move and snatch him up in the mid 2nd, kinda like how we missed out on Maualuga when he dropped

gmen0820
02-23-2012, 12:56 PM
never got to do my last mock after the super bowl, so i'm doing it now.. What a ride, the 2011 season was for us.. </P>


1. Dwayne Allen Te Clemson- I think Allen makes to much sense, and if hes there, with the injury to ballard and beckum, will be the pick... Allen would also help ease the pain of losing mario as well(if we do lose mario, which i think we will)</P>


2. Bobbie Massie Ot Ole Miss- A really solid tackle prospect, whos under the radar some , for the bad season the rebels had this past yr, but i can remember seeing Massie as a 1st rder by some going into this past season.. Massie would give us depth at the Tackle positon, which is a need, and he could challenge James Brewer for the future* at RT, and probably fill in for Will Beatty down the line at LT if need be...</P>


3. Nigel Bradham Lb Fla St-* Good looking thumper from FLA ST, who could probably play Strongside, and weakside if need be.... Great intensity, which would fit well with the young players we got coming along on defnese..</P>


4. Vick Ballard Rb Miss St- Thumper would be great duo back with Bradshaw going forward, regardless if we keep BJ or not..* Very underrated in a class full of depth at RB...</P>


5. Tysyn Hartman S Kan St- good size and length, and makes plays.. Was heart of backfield on stong defensive unit at K-st this past season... Kinda flying under the radar, and could fill the role Deon Grant played for us the past couple seasons..</P>


6. Chandler Harnish Qb No Illinois- Nice developmental QB, who can run with the ball and throw it..</P>


7.* D'anton Lynn Cb Penn St- fits the giants prefrence of bigger stronger CB's, and could possibly stick..</P>Love rounds 2-4.

I like Allen, I just prefer Fleener and I really don't even want a TE with the first pick. So overall, very good. Massie will be a stud.

Redeyejedi
02-23-2012, 01:35 PM
Vontaze is slipping because his tape this year is not top 3 round quality. He has sub par instincts.He either cant be coached or had awful coaching because he didnt improve at all since his freshman year. He has zero gap discipline refusing to maintain his assignments.

nycsportzfan
02-23-2012, 06:11 PM
never got to do my last mock after the super bowl, so i'm doing it now.. What a ride, the 2011 season was for us.. </P>


1. Dwayne Allen Te Clemson- I think Allen makes to much sense, and if hes there, with the injury to ballard and beckum, will be the pick... Allen would also help ease the pain of losing mario as well(if we do lose mario, which i think we will)</P>


2. Bobbie Massie Ot Ole Miss- A really solid tackle prospect, whos under the radar some , for the bad season the rebels had this past yr, but i can remember seeing Massie as a 1st rder by some going into this past season.. Massie would give us depth at the Tackle positon, which is a need, and he could challenge James Brewer for the future at RT, and probably fill in for Will Beatty down the line at LT if need be...</P>


3. Nigel Bradham Lb Fla St- Good looking thumper from FLA ST, who could probably play Strongside, and weakside if need be.... Great intensity, which would fit well with the young players we got coming along on defnese..</P>


4. Vick Ballard Rb Miss St- Thumper would be great duo back with Bradshaw going forward, regardless if we keep BJ or not.. Very underrated in a class full of depth at RB...</P>


5. Tysyn Hartman S Kan St- good size and length, and makes plays.. Was heart of backfield on stong defensive unit at K-st this past season... Kinda flying under the radar, and could fill the role Deon Grant played for us the past couple seasons..</P>


6. Chandler Harnish Qb No Illinois- Nice developmental QB, who can run with the ball and throw it..</P>


7. D'anton Lynn Cb Penn St- fits the giants prefrence of bigger stronger CB's, and could possibly stick..</P>


Love rounds 2-4. I like Allen, I just prefer Fleener and I really don't even want a TE with the first pick. So overall, very good. Massie will be a stud.ya, i'm extremely high on Bobbie massie, and think hes gonna be one of the more consistent T's to come outta this class.. If Massie played for Alabama, he'd be a top 15 pick... </P>


If we wait on TE, which is fine by me, if were to get a Fletcher Cox, Whitney Mercilus, Mike Adams, or someone like that, then i'd like to see George Bryan, Brian Linthicum, David Paulson, Ladarious Green, or a real sleeper of mine, Nick provo brought in.. I think those are the best TE's outside of the top few on the list...</P>

nycsportzfan
02-23-2012, 06:20 PM
God, Michael Egnew has got some great size to him.. 6ft 5inch 252lbs 33in arms... If u can get that guy blocking just on a medicore level, then he could be a bigtime player.. Kevin Boss learned how to block with us, Egnew could probably do the same... </P>


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Also, Coby Fleeners weigh in was pretty good, coming in at 6ft 6in 247lb 33 3/8 hands and 10in hands..</P>


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And Ladarious Green might leave a bit to be desired with the WT, but hes got some big mitts 10 1/8in, and long arms at 34 1/2 inch...</P>


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finally, i'm gonna be very interested in David Paulson, who i think could be to us, what Ed ****son is to the ravens, which is pretty darn solid.. He weighed in at 6ft 3in 246lbs... I really like David Paulson if u get him in RD 5...</P>

nycsportzfan
02-23-2012, 06:22 PM
never got to do my last mock after the super bowl, so i'm doing it now.. What a ride, the 2011 season was for us.. </P>


1. Dwayne Allen Te Clemson- I think Allen makes to much sense, and if hes there, with the injury to ballard and beckum, will be the pick... Allen would also help ease the pain of losing mario as well(if we do lose mario, which i think we will)</P>


2. Bobbie Massie Ot Ole Miss- A really solid tackle prospect, whos under the radar some , for the bad season the rebels had this past yr, but i can remember seeing Massie as a 1st rder by some going into this past season.. Massie would give us depth at the Tackle positon, which is a need, and he could challenge James Brewer for the future at RT, and probably fill in for Will Beatty down the line at LT if need be...</P>


3. Nigel Bradham Lb Fla St- Good looking thumper from FLA ST, who could probably play Strongside, and weakside if need be.... Great intensity, which would fit well with the young players we got coming along on defnese..</P>


4. Vick Ballard Rb Miss St- Thumper would be great duo back with Bradshaw going forward, regardless if we keep BJ or not.. Very underrated in a class full of depth at RB...</P>


5. Tysyn Hartman S Kan St- good size and length, and makes plays.. Was heart of backfield on stong defensive unit at K-st this past season... Kinda flying under the radar, and could fill the role Deon Grant played for us the past couple seasons..</P>


6. Chandler Harnish Qb No Illinois- Nice developmental QB, who can run with the ball and throw it..</P>


7. D'anton Lynn Cb Penn St- fits the giants prefrence of bigger stronger CB's, and could possibly stick..</P>Love rounds 2-4. I like Allen, I just prefer Fleener and I really don't even want a TE with the first pick. So overall, very good. Massie will be a stud. Massie weighed in at 6ft 6in 316lbs with 35in arms... I like em more and more... This guys gonna be a freaking stud!~

nycsportzfan
02-23-2012, 06:25 PM
A guy i think will rise come draft time as i've said before, is Matt McCants OT UAB.. He is a high upside player with bigtime athletic ability and he came in at a solid 6ft 6in 308lb 35 3/8 arms... This guys got RISER written all over him...

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 06:26 PM
Could one of you guys post some footage on Massie, I cant find anything about him video wise on youtube

juice33s
02-23-2012, 08:48 PM
Combine measurements for OL and TE's
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php

and analysis
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php

CGYgiant
02-23-2012, 10:30 PM
Combine measurements for OL and TE's
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php

and analysis
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php


Travis Beckum:

Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 243 lb (110 kg)

Dwayne Allen:

Height: 6 ft 3 in 255 lb

Sure Allen is a bit stockier but would we really spend a first rounder who can run block a little better then Beckum? I mean both are great receivers but.... im not sold.

I think Fleeners runs a faster 40, he has better production, he is that H-W-S guy the Giants look for.

Why is Allen a better prospect again?

Neverend
02-23-2012, 10:45 PM
Combine measurements for OL and TE's
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php

and analysis
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php


Travis Beckum:

Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 243 lb (110 kg)

Dwayne Allen:

Height: 6 ft 3 in 255 lb

Sure Allen is a bit stockier but would we really spend a first rounder who can run block a little better then Beckum? I mean both are great receivers but.... im not sold.

I think Fleeners runs a faster 40, he has better production, he is that H-W-S guy the Giants look for.

Why is Allen a better prospect again?

Well guys like Mayock and Bunting have Fleener over Allen. But if there is a reason why Allen would be considered better than Fleener by some is because Allen is more of a finished product as a blocker and is better in jump ball situations than Fleener too.

Otherwise, I think Fleener is just as good (if not better) than Allen in every other category you would evaluate a prospect

CGYgiant
02-23-2012, 11:40 PM
Combine measurements for OL and TE's
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php

and analysis
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php


Travis Beckum:

Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 243 lb (110 kg)

Dwayne Allen:

Height: 6 ft 3 in 255 lb

Sure Allen is a bit stockier but would we really spend a first rounder who can run block a little better then Beckum? I mean both are great receivers but.... im not sold.

I think Fleeners runs a faster 40, he has better production, he is that H-W-S guy the Giants look for.

Why is Allen a better prospect again?

Well guys like Mayock and Bunting have Fleener over Allen. But if there is a reason why Allen would be considered better than Fleener by some is because Allen is more of a finished product as a blocker and is better in jump ball situations than Fleener too.

Otherwise, I think Fleener is just as good (if not better) than Allen in every other category you would evaluate a prospect

I understand but with the failed project that is Beckum, would it be wise to select a hybrid TE like Allen? (Im calling him hybrid cause he doesn't seem to have the size for a 'Giants' TE)

I think Fleener is going to be able to separate better and has a higher ceiling in the pros for sure..

Redeyejedi
02-24-2012, 12:37 AM
Could one of you guys post some footage on Massie, I cant find anything about him video wise on youtube
I will have the Bama game up today

BlueSanta
02-24-2012, 01:23 AM
Combine measurements for OL and TE's
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php

and analysis
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php


Travis Beckum:

Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 243 lb (110 kg)

Dwayne Allen:

Height: 6 ft 3 in 255 lb

Sure Allen is a bit stockier but would we really spend a first rounder who can run block a little better then Beckum? I mean both are great receivers but.... im not sold.

I think Fleeners runs a faster 40, he has better production, he is that H-W-S guy the Giants look for.

Why is Allen a better prospect again?

Well guys like Mayock and Bunting have Fleener over Allen. But if there is a reason why Allen would be considered better than Fleener by some is because Allen is more of a finished product as a blocker and is better in jump ball situations than Fleener too.

Otherwise, I think Fleener is just as good (if not better) than Allen in every other category you would evaluate a prospect

I understand but with the failed project that is Beckum, would it be wise to select a hybrid TE like Allen? (Im calling him hybrid cause he doesn't seem to have the size for a 'Giants' TE)

I think Fleener is going to be able to separate better and has a higher ceiling in the pros for sure..

I think its not an argument of who is better. I think it is an argument of which guys gets in the right system for their style.

I do not know which guy I like more. If I am going by what we traditionally do at TE, then I like Fleener. But, if I consider into the equation the loss of MM. Then i wonder if Allen doesnt fill 2 needs because he absolutely is more adept at outside route running and is quicker off the los making him a potential split out guy as well as a Tight to the line guy.

I do think Allen measuring under 6'4 hurts him though. But on the same note, Fleener is not performing at this combine so we need to wait before we can see him run, which does hurt him a little. Pro days are nice and all, but they arent an even playing field.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 07:09 AM
Combine measurements for OL and TE's
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php

and analysis
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php
Travis Beckum: Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 243 lb (110 kg) Dwayne Allen: Height: 6 ft 3 in 255 lb Sure Allen is a bit stockier but would we really spend a first rounder who can run block a little better then Beckum? I mean both are great receivers but.... im not sold. I think Fleeners runs a faster 40, he has better production, he is that H-W-S guy the Giants look for. Why is Allen a better prospect again? well, the first thing that sticks out to me is that Dwayne Allen didn't have Andrew Luck throwing to em his entire career, and all though Allen had a pretty good QB this past season, in Tahj Boyd, Boyd was in his first yr starting and had his ups and downs.. TO be honest, i think Dwayne ALlen would of absoulutley destroyed records had he had Andrew Luck his entire career, and not guys like Kyle Parker and a freshman, albeit, a solid freshman.. As much as i like Fleener, and i like em enough, that i would not mind em being our first rd pick, especially if Dwayne Allen is off the board, he did have plenty of games where he wasent involved in long stretches of the game.. U can say that about both guys, but again, Allen didn't have the talent at QB that Fleener had, and Clemson has had a much better Running game as well.. I think there pretty close talent wise, but Allen in my opinion, is the more athletic complete TE and has a bit higher upside.. U let Dwayne Allen have Eli throwing em the ball for a few yrs, and i could easily see him as a 60catch 800yrd 8td kinda guy, who is thickly built at 255lbs, and from what i read, was a chiseled 255lbs...

critters
02-24-2012, 10:04 AM
I know no one else seems to agree with the pick but I've still got my eye on Orson Charles as well. I've watched his entire career and he always sticks out. I know he doesn't have the ideal size but his athleticism and quickness is off the charts.

I also think McCants is going to be a riser. Hasn't faced the best competition but he's loaded with upside.

Redeyejedi
02-24-2012, 10:32 AM
Combine measurements for OL and TE's
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php

and analysis
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php


Travis Beckum:

Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 243 lb (110 kg)

Dwayne Allen:

Height: 6 ft 3 in 255 lb

Sure Allen is a bit stockier but would we really spend a first rounder who can run block a little better then Beckum? I mean both are great receivers but.... im not sold.

I think Fleeners runs a faster 40, he has better production, he is that H-W-S guy the Giants look for.

Why is Allen a better prospect again?

Well guys like Mayock and Bunting have Fleener over Allen. But if there is a reason why Allen would be considered better than Fleener by some is because Allen is more of a finished product as a blocker and is better in jump ball situations than Fleener too.

Otherwise, I think Fleener is just as good (if not better) than Allen in every other category you would evaluate a prospect

I understand but with the failed project that is Beckum, would it be wise to select a hybrid TE like Allen? (Im calling him hybrid cause he doesn't seem to have the size for a 'Giants' TE)

I think Fleener is going to be able to separate better and has a higher ceiling in the pros for sure..I agree the more games Ive watched Fleener has become my Top TE. I do have Fleener ,Allen and Charles fairly close though. I wouldnt have a problem with any of them.

I do like Paulson as well as a later option.Oregons offense is not TE friendly and he did not get many looks. I think he will be a better pro

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 03:04 PM
Combine measurements for OL and TE's
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php

and analysis
http://walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin1.php
Travis Beckum: Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 243 lb (110 kg) Dwayne Allen: Height: 6 ft 3 in 255 lb Sure Allen is a bit stockier but would we really spend a first rounder who can run block a little better then Beckum? I mean both are great receivers but.... im not sold. I think Fleeners runs a faster 40, he has better production, he is that H-W-S guy the Giants look for. Why is Allen a better prospect again? Well guys like Mayock and Bunting have Fleener over Allen. But if there is a reason why Allen would be considered better than Fleener by some is because Allen is more of a finished product as a blocker and is better in jump ball situations than Fleener too. Otherwise, I think Fleener is just as good (if not better) than Allen in every other category you would evaluate a prospect I understand but with the failed project that is Beckum, would it be wise to select a hybrid TE like Allen? (Im calling him hybrid cause he doesn't seem to have the size for a 'Giants' TE) I think Fleener is going to be able to separate better and has a higher ceiling in the pros for sure..I agree the more games Ive watched Fleener has become my Top TE. I do have Fleener ,Allen and Charles fairly close though. I wouldnt have a problem with any of them. I do like Paulson as well as a later option.Oregons offense is not TE friendly and he did not get many looks. I think he will be a better pro WE seem to like alot of the same prospects this yr redeye.. From Fletcher Cox to David Paulson and Casey Hayward and the 2top TE's in Allen and Fleener...etc How about Doug Martin? I absoulutley love him as well, as u know.. Dude came in at 5ft 9in 223lbs.. If he runs a good 40 time with those measuarables, he could challenge for top of the 2nd rd! A do everything back with that kinda size and center of gravity is gonna be a stud in the pros!

Redeyejedi
02-24-2012, 07:09 PM
Could one of you guys post some footage on Massie, I cant find anything about him video wise on youtube
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<A title="Bobby Massie vs Alabama 2011" target=_blank><FONT color=#980001>Bobby Massie vs Alabama 2011</FONT></A> </P>

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 02:30 AM
<font size="3"><span class="tl">2012 NFL Combine: Florida's Chris Rainey Measures Out At 5-Foot-8 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=chris+rainey+news&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1 1&amp;ved=0CGEQqQIwCg&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Ftampabay.sbnati on.com%2Ftampa-bay-buccaneers%2F2012%2F2%2F24%2F2822591%2F2012-nfl-combine-florida-gators-chris-rainey-south-florida-bulls-darrell-scott&amp;ei=Nd9JT-z0IbCw0AHoob3oCw&amp;usg=AFQjCNHHKu9jqv92i7jdww3PxCeqM 17fUw&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:12 AM
<font size="3">Rainey's 83-yard touchdown reception against Tennessee:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/RB9_medium.png

</font><span style="font-weight: bold;">Rainey (yellow circle) just runs a simple route into the middle of the field after a play-action.</span>

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/RB10_medium.png

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Rainey (yellow circle) catches the ball at the 20-yard line and there isn't a defender near him.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/RB11_medium.png

<span style="font-weight: bold;">By the time Rainey (yellow circle) is at the 40-yard line, there are a
few defenders near him, but they aren't posing any threat.</span>

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/RB12_medium.png

<p style="font-weight: bold;" align="left">One defender (green circle) makes a feeble diving attempt, but Rainey (yellow circle) is going to go untouched into the endzone.</p>
<p style="font-weight: bold;">I'm still shocked that Chris Rainey went the last nine games of the
season without scoring a touchdown on offense. The last offensive
touchdown he scored, was a receiving one against Tennessee. Though he
did have<font size="3"> a very good day running the ball against South Carolina (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/235222/chris-rainey).</font></p>

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:13 AM
<font size="3">Rainey's 83-yard touchdown reception against Tennessee:

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/RB9_medium.png

</font><span style="font-weight: bold;">Rainey (yellow circle) just runs a simple route into the middle of the field after a play-action.</span>

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/RB10_medium.png

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Rainey (yellow circle) catches the ball at the 20-yard line and there isn't a defender near him.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;">
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/RB11_medium.png

<span style="font-weight: bold;">By the time Rainey (yellow circle) is at the 40-yard line, there are a
few defenders near him, but they aren't posing any threat.</span>

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/RB12_medium.png

<p style="font-weight: bold;" align="left">One defender (green circle) makes a feeble diving attempt, but Rainey (yellow circle) is going to go untouched into the endzone.</p>
<p style="font-weight: bold;">I'm still shocked that Chris Rainey went the last nine games of the
season without scoring a touchdown on offense. The last offensive
touchdown he scored, was a receiving one against Tennessee. Though he
did have<font size="3"> a very good day running the ball against South Carolina (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/235222/chris-rainey).</font></p>
<h3>Chris Rainey: Incredible (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HOsEpbkdI)</h3>

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 11:50 AM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof, because of his playing in a option offense, u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill... Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3, u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well.... If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us(i think Mario is 100pct gone) I feel the same way about hill he needs some polish but he's got serious potential. I really wouldn't mind him as our second rd pick if he's there.Hills hands are suspect and shows lapses of concentration. The concentration thing could be he only gets thrown to 3 times a game. Streeter is an awful route runner Stepehn Hill killing it at the combine... Same with my guy Michael Floyd who i called the best WR in the class last yr, let alone this yr... Hes gonna be freaking awesome!

BluGiantPies
02-26-2012, 02:23 PM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof*, because of his playing in a option offense,* u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill...* Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks* were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3,* u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..*The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well....* If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us(i think Mario is 100pct gone) I feel the same way about hill he needs some polish but he's got serious potential. I really wouldn't mind him as our second rd pick if he's there.Hills hands are suspect and shows lapses of concentration. The concentration thing could be he only gets thrown to 3 times a game. Streeter is an awful route runner Stepehn Hill killing it at the combine...** Same with my guy Michael Floyd who i called the best WR in the class last yr, let alone this yr... Hes gonna be freaking awesome! adding Stephen hill to our core and add a shiancoe to Ballard at te our offense would be unstopable.

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 11:20 PM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof, because of his playing in a option offense, u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill... Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3, u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well.... If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us(i think Mario is 100pct gone) I feel the same way about hill he needs some polish but he's got serious potential. I really wouldn't mind him as our second rd pick if he's there.Hills hands are suspect and shows lapses of concentration. The concentration thing could be he only gets thrown to 3 times a game. Streeter is an awful route runner Stepehn Hill killing it at the combine... Same with my guy Michael Floyd who i called the best WR in the class last yr, let alone this yr... Hes gonna be freaking awesome! adding Stephen hill to our core and add a shiancoe to Ballard at te our offense would be unstopable. Ya, i think Stepehn Hill has just got himself in Eraly 2nd rd area with his super impressive combine, which i would think, would put us outta the running.. With such a ridiculously deep crop of Wideouts, trust me there is some to be had later on... Guys like Bj Cunningham, Danny Coale, Ryan Broyles, Jarious Wright, Greg Childs, and so on and so fourth, can probably be had starting from RD 4 and on... Its just a ridiculously deep group this yr..

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 12:20 AM
<div class="player"><div class="rank"><u><font size="5"><span class="postbody">Official times for RB's</span>
</font></u>
1</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533034.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Lamar-Miller?id=2533034)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Lamar Miller (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Lamar-Miller?id=2533034)</span><span class="college">Miami</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 20%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.40</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">2</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533437.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Ronnie-Hillman?id=2533437)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Ronnie Hillman (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Ronnie-Hillman?id=2533437)</span><span class="college">San Diego St.</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 35.599999999999945%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.45</span></div></div></div></div><div id="yui_3_4_1_3_1330405025140_103" class="player"><div class="rank">2</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533036.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/LaMichael-James?id=2533036)<div id="yui_3_4_1_3_1330405025140_102" class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">LaMichael James (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/LaMichael-James?id=2533036)</span><span class="college">Oregon</span></span><span id="yui_3_4_1_3_1330405025140_101" class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 35.599999999999945%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.45</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">2</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2532934.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Chris-Rainey?id=2532934)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Chris Rainey (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Chris-Rainey?id=2532934)</span><span class="college">Florida</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 35.599999999999945%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.45</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">5</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2532851.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Cyrus-Gray?id=2532851)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Cyrus Gray (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Cyrus-Gray?id=2532851)</span><span class="college">Texas A&amp;M</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 41.83999999999981%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.47</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">5</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2532926.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Isaiah-Pead?id=2532926)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Isaiah Pead (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Isaiah-Pead?id=2532926)</span><span class="college">Cincinnati</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 41.83999999999981%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.47</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">7</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533545.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Bernard-Pierce?id=2533545)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Bernard Pierce (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Bernard-Pierce?id=2533545)</span><span class="college">Temple</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 48.079999999999956%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.49</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">7</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533035.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/David-Wilson?id=2533035)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">David Wilson (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/David-Wilson?id=2533035)</span><span class="college">Virginia Tech</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 48.079999999999956%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.49</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">9</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533460.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Robert-Turbin?id=2533460)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Robert Turbin (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Robert-Turbin?id=2533460)</span><span class="college">Utah St.</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 51.19999999999989%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.50</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">10</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533540.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Edwin-Baker?id=2533540)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Edwin Baker (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Edwin-Baker?id=2533540)</span><span class="college">Michigan St.</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 60.55999999999997%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.53</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">10</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533434.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Davin-Meggett?id=2533434)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Davin Meggett (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Davin-Meggett?id=2533434)</span><span class="college">Maryland</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 60.55999999999997%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.53</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">12</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2532929.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Tauren-Poole?id=2532929)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Tauren Poole (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Tauren-Poole?id=2532929)</span><span class="college">Tennessee</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 63.6799999999999%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.54</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">13</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2532899.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Doug-Martin?id=2532899)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Doug Martin (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Doug-Martin?id=2532899)</span><span class="college">Boise St.</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 66.79999999999984%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.55</span></div></div></div></div><div class="player"><div class="rank">14</div>http://static.nfl.com/static/content//catch_all/nfl_image/combine/headshots/2533037.jpg (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Chris-Polk?id=2533037)<div class="pinfo"><span class="position">RB</span><span class="name-college"><span class="name">Chris Polk (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Chris-Polk?id=2533037)</span><span class="college">Washington</span></span><span class="topperf">
</span></div><div class="graph"><div class="bar" style="width: 73.03999999999998%;"><div class="barinfo"><span>4.57</span></div></div></div></div>

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 12:51 AM
What does everybody think about Stephen hill wr Georgia tech? I've seen him projected between late first to early third. Pretty big gap there. I think he is very underrated. One of his biggest strengths is his very good body control. Almost nearly as good as Justin Blackmon's and Alshon Jeffrey except Stephen has had a number of concentration issues. Definitely a very nice option to have in the mid rounds but I see his stock going high The thing about hill is his potential is through the roof, because of his playing in a option offense, u kinda didn't get to see how much a factor he could be in a prostyle offense, and u add in that elite size and strength, and u could really get yourself a steal with Stephen Hill... Hill's a great player to pick if your a team that needs a WR, but your 1st couple picks were other positons because of simply to good of value, and in early RD 3, u take stephen hill, becuase u still got a chance of getting RD 1 type production while still filling other positons with your first couple picks..The same could be said about Streeter of Miami... I actually woulden't mind the giants taking a gamble on either streeter or hill if they were there in RD 3(highly doubtful), to kinda fill the big redzone threat that Plax used to play for us, with the ability to get deep as well.... If we are to pick a WR, i'm thinking a big strong long striding WR is the way we'll go, with the idea that Jerrnigan will take over the Mario role down the line for us(i think Mario is 100pct gone) welp, now that Hill and Streeter had such good combines, i surely doubt they get anywhere near us in RD 3.. Like i said, teams looking for RD 1 production outta reciver in the 3rd rd, might wanna take a flier on Hill or Streeter, but there clearly risers now, and i surely doubt they make it to the 3rd, and if Streeter does, it'll be shortly there after, hes gone...

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 12:55 AM
Could one of you guys post some footage on Massie, I cant find anything about him video wise on youtube
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<A title="Bobby Massie vs Alabama 2011" target=_blank><FONT color=#980001>Bobby Massie vs Alabama 2011</FONT></A> </P>


my 2nd rder for us in my last mock was bobbie massie, and i think the kid would be a perfect RT for us, who could possibly fill in at LT in a pinch.. </P>


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http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Mississippi_logo.gif Bobby Massie, OT, Ole Miss http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Bobby Massie stood out during the weigh-ins when his arms measured in at 35 inches. His bench press (22 reps) wasn't nearly as impressive, but it was understandable considering how long his arms are. He showed solid athleticism on Saturday, so he should be drafted at some point on Day 2.

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Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 01:19 PM
Shea Mcclenin had the 2nd fastest 40 time of the Dlineman today. I knew he was faster then people were giving him credit for. All u had to do was see the INT return against ASU to see how fast he was he was running stride for stride with the CB

BluGiantPies
02-27-2012, 01:45 PM
Shea Mcclenin had the 2nd fastest 40 time of the Dlineman today. I knew he was faster then people were giving him credit for. All u had to do was see the INT return against ASU to see how fast he was he was running stride for stride with the CB actually it was the third fastest behind nick Perry and Bruce Irvin if your even counting Irvin I dunno he screams linebacker to me

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 05:52 PM
Heres a little Scouting Report fro<SPAN class=echo-item-text>m Walt football on </SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</SPAN><FONT size=4>
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<CENTER><FONT size=3><FONT size=5>Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </FONT>
<FONT size=3>By Charlie Campbell </FONT>

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<DIV class=article>Strengths:
<LI>Raw speed to turn the edge
<LI>Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
<LI>Strength
<LI>Repertoire of moves
<LI>Active hands
<LI>Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
<LI>Always looking to force fumbles
<LI>Quick get off
<LI>Shedding blocks when pass rushing
<LI>Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
<LI>Extremely athletic



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Weaknesses:
<LI>One-year wonder
<LI>Lacks complete body of work in college
<LI>Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


<CENTER><SPAN id=pubTestSpan></SPAN></CENTER>

Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </LI></DIV>


<FONT size=2>Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </FONT>
Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparing hi</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me when the draft is here <FONT size=4>Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</FONT>
</SPAN><FONT size=2>IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16720135/nfl-draft-notebook-despite-numbers-illinis-mercilus-not-firstrounder)</FONT>
Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...</P>


</P>


http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Illinois_logo.gif Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

</P>

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 07:28 PM
Heres a little Scouting Report fro<span class="echo-item-text">m Walt football on </span><span class="echo-item-text">mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</span><font size="4">
<table border="0" width="95%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width="25%">
<div align="center">http://www.walterfootball.com/images/fball/WMercilus.jpg </div></td>
<td width="70%">
<div align="left"><font color="navy" size="5">
Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


</font> <font color="navy" size="5">Defensive End

</font>
<font color="navy" size="5">Illinois </font></div></td></tr></tbody></table></font>


<center><font size="3"><font size="5">Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </font>
<font size="3">By Charlie Campbell </font>

</font></center><font size="3"></font>
<div class="article">Strengths:
Raw speed to turn the edge
Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
Strength
Repertoire of moves
Active hands
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Always looking to force fumbles
Quick get off
Shedding blocks when pass rushing
Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
Extremely athletic



<center>
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Weaknesses:
One-year wonder
Lacks complete body of work in college
Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


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Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </div>


<font size="2">Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </font>
Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mparing hi</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me when the draft is here <font size="4">Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</font>
</span><font size="2">IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16720135/nfl-draft-notebook-despite-numbers-illinis-mercilus-not-firstrounder)</font>
Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...</p>


</p>


http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Illinois_logo.gif Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

</p><font size="2">Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?</font>

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 08:44 PM
*Heres a little Scouting Report fro<span class="echo-item-text">m* Walt football on </span><span class="echo-item-text">mercilus ** I only put it on here because of the player co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mparison of JPP * I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic ** u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</span><font size="4">
<table border="0" width="95%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width="25%">
<div align="center">http://www.walterfootball.com/images/fball/WMercilus.jpg </div></td>
<td width="70%">
<div align="left"><font color="navy" size="5">
Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


</font> <font color="navy" size="5">Defensive End

</font>
<font color="navy" size="5">Illinois </font></div></td></tr></tbody></table></font>


<center><font size="3"><font size="5">Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </font>
<font size="3">By Charlie Campbell </font>

</font></center><font size="3"></font>
<div class="article">Strengths:
Raw speed to turn the edge
Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
Strength
Repertoire of moves
Active hands
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Always looking to force fumbles
Quick get off
Shedding blocks when pass rushing
Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
Extremely athletic



<center>
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Weaknesses:
One-year wonder
Lacks complete body of work in college
Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


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Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </div>


<font size="2">Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </font>
Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP** but hes saying he is a good co<span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out***** Hes also co</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mparing hi</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m to JPP* because like JPP***** Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches**** Hes* a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now** because trust </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me*** when the draft is here* <font size="4">Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</font>
</span><font size="2">IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC & SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy.* Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16720135/nfl-draft-notebook-despite-numbers-illinis-mercilus-not-firstrounder)</font>
** Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a* top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...</p>


*</p>


http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Illinois_logo.gif Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

</p><font size="2">Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?</font>
Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt.

Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade.

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 09:11 PM
Heres a little Scouting Report fro<span class="echo-item-text">m Walt football on </span><span class="echo-item-text">mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</span><span class="echo-item-text">mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</span><font size="4">
<table border="0" width="95%">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td width="25%">
<div align="center">http://www.walterfootball.com/images/fball/WMercilus.jpg </div></td>
<td width="70%">
<div align="left"><font color="navy" size="5">
Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265


</font> <font color="navy" size="5">Defensive End

</font>
<font color="navy" size="5">Illinois </font></div></td></tr></tbody></table></font>


<center><font size="3"><font size="5">Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </font>
<font size="3">By Charlie Campbell </font>

</font></center><font size="3"></font>
<div class="article">Strengths:
Raw speed to turn the edge
Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
Strength
Repertoire of moves
Active hands
Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
Always looking to force fumbles
Quick get off
Shedding blocks when pass rushing
Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
Extremely athletic



<center>
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Weaknesses:
One-year wonder
Lacks complete body of work in college
Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


<center><span id="pubTestSpan"></span></center>

Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </div>


<font size="2">Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </font>
Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">mparing hi</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </span><span id="_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription">me when the draft is here <font size="4">Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</font>
</span><font size="2">IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16720135/nfl-draft-notebook-despite-numbers-illinis-mercilus-not-firstrounder)</font>
Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...</p>


</p>


http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Illinois_logo.gif Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

</p><font size="2">Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?</font>
Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt.

Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade.<font size="2">Well said, he went back to early January to dig this post up and for what? If he was trying to call me out or make me look like as a**, he obviously failed. Looks like you shot yourself in your own foot pal.</font>
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heavyhitter
02-28-2012, 03:00 AM
Thoughts on LB Nigel Bradham and where he will be drafted?

He has flashes of great play. A very streaky player. His coaches rave about his leadership and the FSU defense did suffer a lot when he was out for a bit earlier this year.

<u>However, I have to wait till the combine with this kid to let team docs get a look at him. There is a rumor that he has an interesting medical condition. It may only be a rumor and it is correctable if it is true but it would hurt his draft stock a good bit. </u>
<font size="2">Meant to ask you about this, what was the so called rumor w/ Bradham that you're talking about? </font>

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 05:57 AM
Heres a little Scouting Report fro<SPAN class=echo-item-text>m Walt football on </SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</SPAN><FONT size=4>
<TABLE width="95%" border=0>
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<LI>Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265

</FONT>
<LI><FONT color=navy size=5>Defensive End

</FONT>
<LI><FONT color=navy size=5>Illinois </FONT></LI></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT>


<CENTER><FONT size=3><FONT size=5>Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </FONT>
<FONT size=3>By Charlie Campbell </FONT>

</FONT></CENTER><FONT size=3></FONT>
<DIV class=article>Strengths:
<LI>Raw speed to turn the edge
<LI>Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
<LI>Strength
<LI>Repertoire of moves
<LI>Active hands
<LI>Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
<LI>Always looking to force fumbles
<LI>Quick get off
<LI>Shedding blocks when pass rushing
<LI>Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
<LI>Extremely athletic



<CENTER>
<DIV id=flash_ad27255231 style="OVERFLOW: hidden; WIDTH: 300px; HEIGHT: 250px"></DIV>http://bs.serving-sys.com/BurstingPipe/adServer.bs?cn=tf&amp;c=19&amp;mc=imp&amp;pli=3121556&amp;PluID=0&amp; ord=4079858074841212829&amp;rtu=-1 </CENTER>
Weaknesses:
<LI>One-year wonder
<LI>Lacks complete body of work in college
<LI>Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


<CENTER><SPAN id=pubTestSpan></SPAN></CENTER>

Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </LI></DIV>


<FONT size=2>Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </FONT>
Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparing hi</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me when the draft is here <FONT size=4>Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</FONT>
</SPAN><FONT size=2>IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16720135/nfl-draft-notebook-despite-numbers-illinis-mercilus-not-firstrounder)</FONT>
Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...</P>


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http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Illinois_logo.gif Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

</P>


<FONT size=2>Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?</FONT>
Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt. Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade.<FONT size=2>Well said, he went back to early January to dig this post up and for what? If he was trying to call me out or make me look like as a**, he obviously failed. Looks like you shot yourself in your own foot pal.</FONT>
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Trust me, u don't need me to make yourself look like a ***, u do a good enough job of that on your own.. I brought this post up, because I was apart of it, not u.. I'll bring up any post i want, and if i could, i'd bring up posts from 2yrs ago as well.. I've been a avid contributor to the draft boards on here for yrs now, contributing as much, and if not more then anyone, so i'll do as i feel, thank u very much.. </P>


I brought this paticular post up because Whitney showcased himself at the combine, looking very good in the drills, and very fluid, as well as clocking a very nice 40 and 10yrd split, a second faster then Shea McClellins... I was saying for 2months now, that the guy was gonna be a riser the closer the draft gets, when the so called "draft advisory" adn many others were to blind to see it and had him going mid 2nd to late 2nd, and some 3rd rd...And i also said, hes pretty athletic, and it seemed most who thought he was not, and was just a "high motor" type DE, who also displayed good strength.. The bottom line is hes a All around DE who i thought would show off at the combine, and solitify himself as a 1st rder, and hes done just that.. That is why i brought this post up.. It had nothing to do with you, except that u happened to respond.. So get over yourself...</P>

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 06:05 AM
Heres a little Scouting Report fro<SPAN class=echo-item-text>m Walt football on </SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</SPAN><FONT size=4>
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<TBODY>
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<DIV align=center>http://www.walterfootball.com/images/fball/WMercilus.jpg </DIV></TD>
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<LI>Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265

</FONT>
<LI><FONT color=navy size=5>Defensive End

</FONT>
<LI><FONT color=navy size=5>Illinois </FONT></LI></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT>


<CENTER><FONT size=3><FONT size=5>Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </FONT>
<FONT size=3>By Charlie Campbell </FONT>

</FONT></CENTER><FONT size=3></FONT>
<DIV class=article>Strengths:
<LI>Raw speed to turn the edge
<LI>Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
<LI>Strength
<LI>Repertoire of moves
<LI>Active hands
<LI>Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
<LI>Always looking to force fumbles
<LI>Quick get off
<LI>Shedding blocks when pass rushing
<LI>Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
<LI>Extremely athletic



<CENTER>
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Weaknesses:
<LI>One-year wonder
<LI>Lacks complete body of work in college
<LI>Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


<CENTER><SPAN id=pubTestSpan></SPAN></CENTER>

Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </LI></DIV>


<FONT size=2>Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </FONT>
Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparing hi</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me when the draft is here <FONT size=4>Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</FONT>
</SPAN><FONT size=2>IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16720135/nfl-draft-notebook-despite-numbers-illinis-mercilus-not-firstrounder)</FONT>
Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...</P>


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http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Illinois_logo.gif Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

</P>


<FONT size=2>Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?</FONT>
Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt. Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade. I never said u didn't like em, did i? I actually never said anything about anyone in paticular on this board, it was more of a consensus that i got from around the draft world, and the Draft Advisory is even more so why i re-posted the scouting report, becuase of how way out in LF they were, and usually are.. Should i say, Good Work to them or something for being so wrong? I just don't see the draft advisorys grade, and go "oh, thats where hes going"..lol I thought he was gonna be a sure fire riser by watching him play, especially against UCLA and the games u put up, and could clear as day see his non stop motor mixed with alot of athletic ability and a ability to create turnovers, and on top of that, he came out of nowhere, and the first guy i thought of was JPP.. Sure, JPP is a animal, and whitney has proven nothing yet, but hes obviously got similarities , and were just talking about comparisons at the same point in there careers, and WHitney and JPP have alot, when comparing where whitney is now, and where JPP was at the same time.. </P>


No one said he wasen't a good player, but they debated that he wasen't athletic, and that he wasen't a clear cut 1st rder, and some had em as a 2nd rder... I went against the grain, and stepped out on a limb and called em a clear cut 1st rder, who in a dream scenario would fall to us in RD 1, but pretty much knew that was not gonna happen, and i'll gurantee it dosen't...</P>

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 06:05 AM
Heres a little Scouting Report fro<SPAN class=echo-item-text>m Walt football on </SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</SPAN><FONT size=4>
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<TBODY>
<TR>
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<LI>Whitney Mercilus, 6-4/265

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<LI><FONT color=navy size=5>Defensive End

</FONT>
<LI><FONT color=navy size=5>Illinois </FONT></LI></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></FONT>


<CENTER><FONT size=3><FONT size=5>Whitney Mercilus Scouting Report </FONT>
<FONT size=3>By Charlie Campbell </FONT>

</FONT></CENTER><FONT size=3></FONT>
<DIV class=article>Strengths:
<LI>Raw speed to turn the edge
<LI>Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
<LI>Strength
<LI>Repertoire of moves
<LI>Active hands
<LI>Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
<LI>Always looking to force fumbles
<LI>Quick get off
<LI>Shedding blocks when pass rushing
<LI>Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
<LI>Extremely athletic



<CENTER>
<DIV id=flash_ad27255231 style="OVERFLOW: hidden; WIDTH: 300px; HEIGHT: 250px"></DIV>http://bs.serving-sys.com/BurstingPipe/adServer.bs?cn=tf&amp;c=19&amp;mc=imp&amp;pli=3121556&amp;PluID=0&amp; ord=4079858074841212829&amp;rtu=-1 </CENTER>
Weaknesses:
<LI>One-year wonder
<LI>Lacks complete body of work in college
<LI>Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


<CENTER><SPAN id=pubTestSpan></SPAN></CENTER>

Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </LI></DIV>


<FONT size=2>Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </FONT>
Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparing hi</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me when the draft is here <FONT size=4>Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</FONT>
</SPAN><FONT size=2>IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16720135/nfl-draft-notebook-despite-numbers-illinis-mercilus-not-firstrounder)</FONT>
Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...</P>


</P>


http://www.walterfootball.com/college/Illinois_logo.gif Whitney Mercilus, DE/OLB, Illinois http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

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<FONT size=2>Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?</FONT>
Yeah I never said he wasnt a First Rounder, I think his value is on the borderline of the first /2nd round. All I said is his game doesnt remind me of JPP or Aldon Smith. Always thought he was a good player.I dont remember anyone saying he wasnt. Just so U know though Sportzfan the Draft advisory board gave him a 3rd round grade. I never said u didn't like em, did i? I actually never said anything about anyone in paticular on this board, it was more of a consensus that i got from around the draft world, and the Draft Advisory is even more so why i re-posted the scouting report, becuase of how way out in LF they were, and usually are.. Should i say, Good Work to them or something for being so wrong? I just don't see the draft advisorys grade, and go "oh, thats where hes going"..lol I thought he was gonna be a sure fire riser by watching him play, especially against UCLA and the games u put up, and could clear as day see his non stop motor mixed with alot of athletic ability and a ability to create turnovers, and on top of that, he came out of nowhere, and the first guy i thought of was JPP.. Sure, JPP is a animal, and whitney has proven nothing yet, but hes obviously got similarities , and were just talking about comparisons at the same point in there careers, and WHitney and JPP have alot, when comparing where whitney is now, and where JPP was at the same time.. </P>


No one said he wasen't a good player, but they debated that he wasen't athletic, and that he wasen't a clear cut 1st rder, and some had em as a 2nd rder... I went against the grain, and stepped out on a limb and called em a clear cut 1st rder, who in a dream scenario would fall to us in RD 1, but pretty much knew that was not gonna happen, and i'll gurantee it dosen't...</P>

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 06:10 AM
Heres a little Scouting Report fro<SPAN class=echo-item-text>m Walt football on </SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mercilus I only put it on here because of the player co</SPAN><SPAN class=echo-item-text>mparison of JPP I agree with Walt about Whitney being pretty athletic. Even if u don't think hes that athletic u gotta love Whitney as a prospect</SPAN><FONT size=4>
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<FONT size=3>By Charlie Campbell </FONT>

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<DIV class=article>Strengths:
<LI>Raw speed to turn the edge
<LI>Agility to sink his hips/shoulder
<LI>Strength
<LI>Repertoire of moves
<LI>Active hands
<LI>Has the strength to anchor and hold his ground vs. the run
<LI>Always looking to force fumbles
<LI>Quick get off
<LI>Shedding blocks when pass rushing
<LI>Ability to bull rush heavy tackles and guards
<LI>Extremely athletic



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Weaknesses:
<LI>One-year wonder
<LI>Lacks complete body of work in college
<LI>Quality of tackles he faced

Summary: Whitney Mercilus was the most productive pass-rusher in college football in 2011. He led the nation in sacks (16) and forced fumbles (9). It was a record-setting season as Mercilus topped Simeon Rice's school record for sacks in a year. Like Rice, Mercilus is a fabulous athlete. He has a special combination of size, speed and strength to go along with excellent technique. Mercilus also recorded 57 tackles and 22.5 tackles for a loss.

Entering the NFL, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher. He got the better of the best tackles he faced this season. Against Ohio State's Mike Adams, Mercilus recorded 1.5 sacks with a forced fumble. The Wisconsin Badgers' powerful offensive line couldn't contain Mercilus. He bull rushed through massive right tackle Josh Oglesby to get a sack-fumble on Russell Wilson. Mercilus also knocked out left tackle Ricky Wagner for part of the game.

Mercilus has a very impressive repertoire of pass rushing moves. He attacks with speed around the edge. As a counter to the speed, he has the strength to execute rip moves and shed offensive linemen. Mercilus has the raw power to get under offensive linemen's pads and bull rush into the pocket. That catches linemen by surprise as they are so cognizant of being ready for his speed rush. Beyond his great physical skill set, Mercilus is an advanced pass-rusher technically.

Mercilus holds up well in run defense. Linemen don't push him around, as he is strong at the point of attack. He also will burst into the backfield to disrupt running plays.

The big question regarding Mercilus is why didn't break into the lineup sooner and why didn't he produce more earlier. In 2009 and 2010, Mercilus combined to record 24 tackles with two sacks and 6.5 tackles for a loss.


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Player Comparison: Jason Pierre-Paul. There are a lot of similarities between Mercilus and JPP. Both are fantastic athletes who come to the NFL with a special combination of speed and strength. They also were one-year wonders at the college level. Mercilus had more production than JPP in their final college season, and the latter has turned into one of the best pass-rushers in the NFL.

Right now, it looks like Mercilus should get drafted in the same range as JPP. However, it is possible that Mercilus will be this year's Aldon Smith and surprise some by cracking the top 10. It is not out of the question for him to pass North Carolina's Quinton Coples in the lead up to the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php). JPP did that with Derrick Morgan in 2010. Projecting Mercilus to the pros, I see a player similar to Pierre-Paul.

NFL Matches: Jacksonville, Chicago, San Diego, New York Jets, Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit

What team couldn't use another pass-rusher? Mercilus has the athletic ability to be a stand-up edge-rusher in 3-4 defenses, and that opens him up to consideration from a lot of teams. He looks like a natural right defensive end in a 4-3 defense who will challenge left tackles.

The Jaguars will have the first crack at Mercilus, and they need an edge rusher. Buffalo, San Diego and the Jets are all 3-4 defenses that need to find a player who can put heat on the quarterback. If Mercilus gets past all of those teams, he could end up in Chicago. They need some young talent for their defense. It would be a significant fall for Mercilus to get to the Browns' second first-round selection, but they could use an end to complete their young front four. The Lions almost took a defensive end last year, and if they don't re-sign Cliff Avril, they might consider trading up to land Mercilus. </LI></DIV>


<FONT size=2>Who is Charlie Campbell? Not a knock on Mercilus, but to compare him to JPP is just ridiculous. </FONT>
Why is it ridiculous? Hes not saying hes gonna be JPP but hes saying he is a good co<SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparison of where Whitney could be if everything works out Hes also co</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>mparing hi</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>m to JPP because like JPP Whitney is a one yr wonder who ca</SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me outta nowhere and will likely fly up draft boards as the draft approaches Hes a sensational prospect and don't fall for Whitney being what hes talked about now because trust </SPAN><SPAN id=_ctl0__ctl1_bcr_PostForm___ForumDescription>me when the draft is here <FONT size=4>Whitney will be going in the pick 15-23ish of the 1st round</FONT>
</SPAN><FONT size=2>IDK Sportzfan, I haven't watched enough on him so I really can't speak but just by reading all different kinds of scouting reports he seems like a classic "boom or bust" type of guy. Like I said, I keep up w/ the ACC &amp; SEC guys down here in Florida so I don't know enough to pass judgement on the guy. Do you really want to take that risk in the 1st round w/ Mercilus? If he's projected to go somewhere in the 15-23 overall range, then that makes him a bargain for the Giants, right? Check out this article Rob Rang wrote up on Mercilus. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...t-firstrounder (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/16720135/nfl-draft-notebook-despite-numbers-illinis-mercilus-not-firstrounder)</FONT>
Welp, i think the combine showed that Mercilus is pretty athletic, just as i said.. Also, as i was saying for months, hes gonna be a riser come draft time, and i think this combine performance gurantees him a top 20-25 pick, and possibly a bit earlier.. I knew he wasen't gonna be going in RD 2 or wherever some of these sites had him going a month ago...</P>


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Whitney Mercilus showed off his athleticism in Indianapolis. He ran a 4.63 with a 1.56 10-yard split and also notched a 32-inch vertical. He really impressed in the drills, solidifying his top-25 status.

</P><FONT size=2>Umm, I remember this post from like early January, you must be trying to prove something, I'm confused. What's the point of this post?</FONT>
OH ya, and YES, if WHitney is there at pick 31, he'd be a BIG bargain for the giants.. And he'll probably be going between picks 15-23 as i suggested...

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 07:24 AM
Whats the deal with Chase Minnifield? Dude came in at 5ft 10in which is a couple inches shorter then expected, and then lifts only 7 times on the b.press? And on top of that, hes injury prone.. Dude is going to drop a bit, id imagine...</P>


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Redeyejedi
02-28-2012, 07:56 AM
*Whats the deal with Chase Minnifield? Dude came in at 5ft 10in which is a couple inches shorter then expected, and then lifts only 7 times on the b.press?* And on top of that, hes injury prone..* Dude is going to drop a bit, id imagine...</P>


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*</P>He doesnt look weak during the games. He is a willing tackler.Never see him shy away from contact. I always subtract an 1" when i see listed height . Guys are very rarely what they say. 2" though then the school is purposely trying to deceive and that pisses me off.

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 08:41 AM
Whats the deal with Chase Minnifield? Dude came in at 5ft 10in which is a couple inches shorter then expected, and then lifts only 7 times on the b.press? And on top of that, hes injury prone.. Dude is going to drop a bit, id imagine...</P>


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</P>He doesnt look weak during the games. He is a willing tackler.Never see him shy away from contact. I always subtract an 1" when i see listed height . Guys are very rarely what they say. 2" though then the school is purposely trying to deceive and that pisses me off. which again makes u wonder what to take from these combines... I try to just use it as one little tool outta many, but for instance, in Dwayne Allen's case, it didn't matter to me what he did, i all most know hes gonna be good, and that hes got hops, but yet, his vertical at the combine left alot to be desired... Some guys i like to see do well though, guys like Stephen Hill and such, because u just don't have a ton of game reps to go on, in his case, because he didn't get balls thrown his way all the time.. Its tough to decifer what to take from these combines..

heavyhitter
02-28-2012, 09:39 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!

heavyhitter
02-28-2012, 09:46 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP.. I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="2">Well said, Mercilus doesn't remind me of JPP at all.</font>

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 09:57 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <FONT size=4>I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</FONT> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<FONT size=3>Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </FONT>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
I don't think he said hes nowhere near the level of JPP, but hes nowhere near the level Athletically.. One things for sure, half the people who think no ones near JPP's level, thought JPP was gonna bust and/or take a very long time before he was playing productive ball on a NFL level.. I felt Whitney was very athletic and much more then just a "hustle" player, and i think he showed that at the combine.. But we all are allowed to disagree on what we see with these guys.. I just know i saw a guy who was gonna rise much higher then where he was when people started getting a closer look and paying more attention to him, and he pretty much has done just that.. Hes gone from a fringe 1st rder/2nd rder, to a just about sure fire 1st rder, and more likely top 15-23 pick.. I'd be shocked if TENN passes on him with there pick, unless someone really good drops..

heavyhitter
02-28-2012, 10:05 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus.</font>

heavyhitter
02-28-2012, 10:08 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
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nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 10:08 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <FONT size=4>I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</FONT> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<FONT size=3>Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </FONT>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<FONT size=2>I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus.</FONT>
nick perry is going before mercilus though, and was never really in discussion at all with a possibility of going to the Giants.. Its like me saying i like Trent Richardson more then Lamar Miller or something...

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 10:13 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <FONT size=4>I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</FONT> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<FONT size=3>Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </FONT>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<FONT size=2>I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
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<TD><FONT size=2>38.5 inch vertical jump</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD><FONT size=2>124 inch broad jump</FONT></TD></TR>
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<TD><FONT size=2>7.25 3 cone drill</FONT></TD></TR>
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Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..

heavyhitter
02-28-2012, 10:36 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</font>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<tbody>
<tr class="tableizer-firstrow">
<th><font size="2">Nick Perry Combine Results</font></th></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.64 40 yard dash</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">35 bench reps of 225 pounds</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">38.5 inch vertical jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">124 inch broad jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">7.25 3 cone drill</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.66 20 yard shuttle</font></td></tr></tbody></table>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<font size="2">I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</font>

<table border="1" align="center"><tbody><tr style="background-color: #193561;"><td style="color: #ffffff;" align="center">Rank</td>
<td style="color: #ffffff;" align="center">Previous Ranking (1/24)
</td>
<td style="color: #ffffff;" align="center">Updated Rank (2/14)
</td>
<td style="color: #ffffff;" align="center">Change</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">1</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">2</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">3</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">4</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="2" align="center">5 (tie)</td>
<td>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</td>
<td>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>
<font size="2">*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</font>

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 06:41 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


</P>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <FONT size=4>I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</FONT> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<FONT size=3>Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </FONT>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<FONT size=2>I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</FONT>
<TABLE class=tableizer-table>
<TBODY>
<TR class=tableizer-firstrow>
<TH><FONT size=2>Nick Perry Combine Results</FONT></TH></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.64 40 yard dash</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>35 bench reps of 225 pounds</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>38.5 inch vertical jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>124 inch broad jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>7.25 3 cone drill</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.66 20 yard shuttle</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<FONT size=2>I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</FONT>


<TABLE align=center border=1>
<TBODY>
<TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Rank</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Previous Ranking (1/24)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Updated Rank (2/14)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Change</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>1</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>2</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>3</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>4</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle rowSpan=2>5 (tie)</TD>
<TD>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</TD>
<TD>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



<FONT size=2>*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</FONT>
I said most sites,my freind..its not surprising someguys like mayock would have the guy who had 8.5 more TFL, and 6.5 more sacks, and 6more Forced Fumbles... Mayock dosen't just judge these guys by there combines...lol I didn't see u say much about Nick Perry ever really, so touche if u did have perry ranked higher then mercilus awhile back... I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</P>


Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</P>

nycsportzfan
03-02-2012, 05:53 AM
Brandon Brooks G Miami Oh, ran a Sub 5.00 40 at his proday at 6ft 5in 346lbs.. Only one olineman at the combine would of ran a faster 40time(Donald Stephensen).. He also had 36reps on the bench press.. Brandon Brooks stock is surely on the rise..

tonyt830
03-02-2012, 06:31 AM
* Brandon Brooks G Miami Oh, ran a Sub 5.00 40 at his proday at 6ft 5in 346lbs.. Only one olineman at the combine would of ran a faster 40time(Donald Stephensen)..** He also had 36reps on the bench press..* Brandon Brooks stock is surely on the rise..Yeah nyc, I saw his name mentioned in the 3rd or 4th rd in one of the mocks, not usre if it was Walt's or drafttek.

Raptor22
03-02-2012, 08:36 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


</p>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</font>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<tbody>
<tr class="tableizer-firstrow">
<th><font size="2">Nick Perry Combine Results</font></th></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.64 40 yard dash</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">35 bench reps of 225 pounds</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">38.5 inch vertical jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">124 inch broad jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">7.25 3 cone drill</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.66 20 yard shuttle</font></td></tr></tbody></table>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<font size="2">I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</font>


<table align="center" border="1">
<tbody>
<tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Rank</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Previous Ranking (1/24)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Updated Rank (2/14)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Change</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">1</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">2</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">3</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">4</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="2" align="center">5 (tie)</td>
<td>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</td>
<td>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>



<font size="2">*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</font>
I said most sites,my freind..its not surprising someguys like mayock would have the guy who had 8.5 more TFL, and 6.5 more sacks, and 6more Forced Fumbles... Mayock dosen't just judge these guys by there combines...lol I didn't see u say much about Nick Perry ever really, so touche if u did have perry ranked higher then mercilus awhile back... I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</p>


Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</p>

Depends who takes whom. If either one winds up on the Giants, he's not going to get many opportunities (I'd say 5 sacks, 2 FF's)

Personally, if I get around to doing a mock today or tomorrow (4 rounds, after that it gets too murky for me), I'll have Nick Perry going to the G-Men in the first. I still think there could be 3+ QB's going in the 1st, and between that and the depth at DT, it could push Perry down to 32.

Likewise, I also see Ingram, Coples, Upshaw, Branch, and Mercilus going before Perry.

Ingram, Upshaw, Branch, and Mercilus all have the ability (although I think it would be wasted in Ingram and Mercilus) to be 34 OLB's as well as 43 DE's, and that versatility will get them drafted higher. Also, GM's SHOULD (probably not, but SHOULD) respect Mercilus' production.

Despite actually playing "OLB" at USC, IMHO, Perry doesn't have the hips to drop into coverage routinely in the NFL. He just didn't look smooth or really comfortable in space, particularly compared to Branch, Ingram, and Mercilus.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 08:39 AM
Doing an expert mock today they are on Pick 9 right now.I see all these guys trading way before their pick i dont quite get it

. Indianapolis Colts: Andrew Luck-Quarterback-Stanford

2. Cleveland Browns (STL):Robert Griffin III-Quarterback-Baylor

3. Minnesota Vikings: Matt Kalil-Offensive Tackle-USC

4. St. Louis Rams (CLE): Morris Claiborne-Cornerback-LSU

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Justin Blackmon-Wide Receiver-Oklahoma State

6. Washington Redskins: Riley Reiff-Offensive Tackle-Iowa

TRADE: The Jacksonville Jaguars send pick #7 to the Kansas City Chiefs for picks #11 and 75



7. Kansas City Chiefs: Dontari Poe-Nose Tackle-Memphis



TRADE: The Miami Dolphins send their 1st Rounder (#8), 3rd Rounder (#73), 4th Rounder (104), and 5th Rounder (#136) to the Dallas Cowboys for their 1st Rounder (#14). 2nd rounder (#45), 3rd Rounder (#85), and 7th Rounder (#206)

8.: Cowboys Melvin Ingram-Outside Linebacker-South Carolina

9.Panthers -Devon Still DT PSU

10. Bills - Michael Floyd

11. Jaguars - Coples


If Fletcher Cox Falls to me Im taking him. I think he is the best defensive lineman in the draft

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 08:43 AM
* Brandon Brooks G Miami Oh, ran a Sub 5.00 40 at his proday at 6ft 5in 346lbs.. Only one olineman at the combine would of ran a faster 40time(Donald Stephensen)..** He also had 36reps on the bench press..* Brandon Brooks stock is surely on the rise..Giants have stayed away from guys that big

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 08:56 AM
NFL Mocks Crew ? @NFLMocks
New York Giants attended Missouri's Pro Day yesterday, I'd assume they were looking at Michael Egnew

Raptor22
03-02-2012, 09:08 AM
Brandon Brooks G Miami Oh, ran a Sub 5.00 40 at his proday at 6ft 5in 346lbs.. Only one olineman at the combine would of ran a faster 40time(Donald Stephensen).. He also had 36reps on the bench press.. Brandon Brooks stock is surely on the rise..Giants have stayed away from guys that big

Well, the trend I can see is that they prefer athletic linemen who can get out and move/block in space, but also play with leverage... But as absurdly athletic as the big guys are getting, we could see them draft a 330+lb'er.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 01:16 PM
Expert Mock is half way through the First round

1. Indianapolis Colts: Andrew Luck-Quarterback-Stanford

2. Cleveland Browns (STL):Robert Griffin III-Quarterback-Baylor

3. Minnesota Vikings: Matt Kalil-Offensive Tackle-USC

4. St. Louis Rams (CLE): Morris Claiborne-Cornerback-LSU

5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Justin Blackmon-Wide Receiver-Oklahoma State

6. Washington Redskins: Riley Reiff-Offensive Tackle-Iowa

TRADE: The Jacksonville Jaguars send pick #7 to the Kansas City Chiefs for picks #11 and 75



7. Kansas City Chiefs: Dontari Poe-Nose Tackle-Memphis



TRADE: The Miami Dolphins send their 1st Rounder (#8), 3rd Rounder (#73), 4th Rounder (104), and 5th Rounder (#136) to the Dallas Cowboys for their 1st Rounder (#14). 2nd rounder (#45), 3rd Rounder (#85), and 7th Rounder (#206)

8.: Melvin Ingram-Outside Linebacker-South Carolina

9. Carolina Panthers: Devon Stll-Defensive Tackle-Penn State

10. Buffalo Bills: Michael Floyd-Wide Receiver-Notre Dame

11. Jacksonville Jaguars (KC): Quinton Coples-Defensive End-North Carolina

12. Seattle Seahawks: Trent Richardson-Running Back-Alabama

13. Arizona Cardinals: David DeCastro-Guard-Stanford

14. Miami Dolphins (DAL): Nick Perry-Defensive End-USC

15. Philadelphia Eagles: Courtney Upshaw-Outside Linebacker-Alabama

16. New York Jets: Cordy Glenn Guard/Tackle Georgia

nycsportzfan
03-02-2012, 02:05 PM
Brandon Brooks G Miami Oh, ran a Sub 5.00 40 at his proday at 6ft 5in 346lbs.. Only one olineman at the combine would of ran a faster 40time(Donald Stephensen).. He also had 36reps on the bench press.. Brandon Brooks stock is surely on the rise..Giants have stayed away from guys that big Ya, i here ya, just figured i'd let it be known, seeing how it was a impressive run for such a big man.. Also, it dosen't mean were always gonna stay within these so called Peramiters just because we've seemed to, to this point.. But ya, guys like Kevin Zeitler seem more likely, or someone like that...

nycsportzfan
03-02-2012, 02:06 PM
Brandon Brooks G Miami Oh, ran a Sub 5.00 40 at his proday at 6ft 5in 346lbs.. Only one olineman at the combine would of ran a faster 40time(Donald Stephensen).. He also had 36reps on the bench press.. Brandon Brooks stock is surely on the rise..Giants have stayed away from guys that big

Well, the trend I can see is that they prefer athletic linemen who can get out and move/block in space, but also play with leverage... But as absurdly athletic as the big guys are getting, we could see them draft a 330+lb'er.
Not to mention, this paticular big man(brooks), must be pretty darn quick, if he ran a sub 5.00 as a 340plus lb lineman..

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 02:23 PM
Hey Redeye, where are you doing this expert mock? Is it a public or private thing?

BigBlue2010
03-02-2012, 02:25 PM
How many rounds are you doing Redeye? I'm beginning to think Giants get great value going DL #1, CB #2 TE/OL 3 & 4 and then hear everyone say Jerry slaughtered the draft. I'm very curious to see how your draft goes.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 03:11 PM
How many rounds are you doing Redeye? I'm beginning to think Giants get great value going DL #1, CB #2 TE/OL 3 & 4 and then hear everyone say Jerry slaughtered the draft. I'm very curious to see how your draft goes.Its 7 Rounds its on
http://nfldraftwizard.com/

17. Cincinnati Bengals (OAK): Kendall Wright-Wide Receiver-Baylor

18. San Diego Chargers: Jonathan Martin-Offensive Tackle-Stanford

19. Chicago Bears: Dre Kirkpatrick-Cornerback-Alabama

20. Tennessee Titans: Peter Konz-Center/Guard-Wisconsin

21. Denver Broncos (CIN): Stephen Hill-Wide Receiver-Georgia Tech

22. St. Louis Rams (CLE): Fletcher Cox-Defensive Tackle-Mississippi State

23. Houston Texans (Det): Mohamed Sanu-Wide Receiver-Rutgers


I was hoping Cox fell to me. The Rams draft has been great they ended up with Claiborne and Cox after trading the 2nd pick

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 03:13 PM
Oh wow, no one picked Mercilus yet? That's nuts.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 04:16 PM
Oh wow, no one picked Mercilus yet? That's nuts. Most Draftniks arent overly high on Mercilus. Most ive talked to grade him out as a 2nd rounder.

BigBlue2010
03-02-2012, 04:22 PM
Thanks for link, following along now.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 04:40 PM
I could take Alshon Jeffery he is still on the board

critters
03-02-2012, 04:41 PM
Whoever is drafting for the Bengals is going full ****** IMO.

critters
03-02-2012, 04:44 PM
I could take Alshon Jeffery he is still on the board

So is Mark Barron. Surprised the Ravens guy took Kuechly instead of Hightower. Hightower is a MUCH better fit for the Ravens.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 04:48 PM
Right now Im leaning towards taking Barron. I really like WR Reuben Randle though but this is a deep receiver draft I can grab one later.

critters
03-02-2012, 04:50 PM
Right now Im leaning towards taking Barron. I really like WR Reuben Randle though but this is a deep receiver draft I can grab one later.

I like where your head is at.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 04:51 PM
Its either
Mark Barron
Coby Fleener
Rueben Randle
Andre Branch
Kendell Reyes

critters
03-02-2012, 04:54 PM
T-t-t-TODAY Ravens guy!

critters
03-02-2012, 05:04 PM
bummer

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:05 PM
Im taking a Pass Rusher

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 05:07 PM
Going with Mercilus? I think he's great value at 32 myself but I suppose you could go in another direction.

nycsportzfan
03-02-2012, 05:07 PM
Oh wow, no one picked Mercilus yet? That's nuts. Most Draftniks arent overly high on Mercilus. Most ive talked to grade him out as a 2nd rounder. Rob Rangs got him going 20th overall, and Walts got him going 20th overall, as is his partner, and Pat Kirwins got him in 1st rd, and Pete Prisco got em in the 1st rd, and Bucky Brooks and Chad Reuter both have em 1st rd(20th overall), and Albert Breer of NFL.Com has em going 1st rd 13th overall, and Steve Wyche got em 1st rd.. </P>


I don't know what people have em not going 1st rd, but its nuts.. The guys the complete package... A explosive 1st step, with a non stop motor, and not only gets sacks and TFL, but forces turnovers... </P>

nycsportzfan
03-02-2012, 05:08 PM
Going with Mercilus? I think he's great value at 32 myself but I suppose you could go in another direction. Theres zero chance Mercilus makes it to pick 32, and if he does, its a miracle, and we better not blow it...

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:11 PM
Im doing an expert mock right now and he is on the board. Im leaning towards Branch though.
I wanted barron he just went.

Best players left are

Branch
Mercilus
Reyes
Jeffery
Randle
Fleener

http://nfldraftwizard.com/

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:13 PM
The Pats guy was going to take Barron as well he was never getting to me. I should of moved up and got Fletcher Cox but I was trying to stay realistic

nycsportzfan
03-02-2012, 05:14 PM
I could take Alshon Jeffery he is still on the board I was thinking about what we'd do if Jeffery was on the board at 32.. I like him better then Reuben Randle.. Jeffery would seem to give us a complete Mix of talents at the WR positon..

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 05:15 PM
Out of that list, it would have to be Mercilus, Branch, or Fleener for me. I guess it depends on what kind of pass rusher you like though between Mericilus and Branch.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:20 PM
Out of that list, it would have to be Mercilus, Branch, or Fleener for me. I guess it depends on what kind of pass rusher you like though between Mericilus and Branch.Thats the 3 Im deciding between. I hope they make my choice easy. I think Branch is more explosive off the edge and fits Situational pass rusher role better then Mercilus. The thing is if they resign Osi though . I wish they waited till after FA

nycsportzfan
03-02-2012, 05:28 PM
How many rounds are you doing Redeye? I'm beginning to think Giants get great value going DL #1, CB #2 TE/OL 3 &amp; 4 and then hear everyone say Jerry slaughtered the draft. I'm very curious to see how your draft goes.Its 7 Rounds its on http://nfldraftwizard.com/ 17. Cincinnati Bengals (OAK): Kendall Wright-Wide Receiver-Baylor 18. San Diego Chargers: Jonathan Martin-Offensive Tackle-Stanford 19. Chicago Bears: Dre Kirkpatrick-Cornerback-Alabama 20. Tennessee Titans: Peter Konz-Center/Guard-Wisconsin 21. Denver Broncos (CIN): Stephen Hill-Wide Receiver-Georgia Tech 22. St. Louis Rams (CLE): Fletcher Cox-Defensive Tackle-Mississippi State 23. Houston Texans (Det): Mohamed Sanu-Wide Receiver-Rutgers I was hoping Cox fell to me. The Rams draft has been great they ended up with Claiborne and Cox after trading the 2nd pick In possibly the deepest WR class ever(ya i said ever), where u coulden't convince me if u tried that guys like Juron Criner, Tommy Streeter, Ty Hilton, Marv McNutt, Brian Quick, Marvin Jones, Joe Adams, Jarious Wright, Nick Toon, Jeff Fuller, Dwight Jones, Chris Givens, Aj Jenkins, Rueben Randle, and Ryan Broyles, coulden't possibly be better then guys like Sanu and Stephen Hill, u got Hill and Sanu going in the TOP 23???lol I hope those Guys GM in the real draft!

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:30 PM
How many rounds are you doing Redeye? I'm beginning to think Giants get great value going DL #1, CB #2 TE/OL 3 & 4 and then hear everyone say Jerry slaughtered the draft. I'm very curious to see how your draft goes.Its 7 Rounds its on http://nfldraftwizard.com/ 17. Cincinnati Bengals (OAK): Kendall Wright-Wide Receiver-Baylor 18. San Diego Chargers: Jonathan Martin-Offensive Tackle-Stanford 19. Chicago Bears: Dre Kirkpatrick-Cornerback-Alabama 20. Tennessee Titans: Peter Konz-Center/Guard-Wisconsin 21. Denver Broncos (CIN): Stephen Hill-Wide Receiver-Georgia Tech 22. St. Louis Rams (CLE): Fletcher Cox-Defensive Tackle-Mississippi State 23. Houston Texans (Det): Mohamed Sanu-Wide Receiver-Rutgers I was hoping Cox fell to me. The Rams draft has been great they ended up with Claiborne and Cox after trading the 2nd pick In possibly the deepest WR class ever(ya i said ever), where u coulden't convince me if u tried that guys like Juron Criner, Tommy Streeter, Ty Hilton, Marv McNutt, Brian Quick, Marvin Jones, Joe Adams, Jarious Wright, Nick Toon, Jeff Fuller, Dwight Jones, Chris Givens, Aj Jenkins, Rueben Randle, and Ryan Broyles, coulden't possibly be better then guys like Sanu and Stephen Hill,* u got Hill and Sanu going in the TOP 23???lol** I hope those Guys GM in the real draft!I like these WR's but I think i will wait and take one who falls in the 3rd or 4th round. Fleener is the easy pick for me to make. Its 1 u cant really argue with

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 05:39 PM
Oh mah gawd...

This Lions guy needs to hurry up :P

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:40 PM
The guy from the Pats says he is on the clock but I dont see a pick up from the LIons

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:40 PM
I wonder if they will keep going or stop like they said they would

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:43 PM
Lions took Dennard . I think I will go with the safe pick, Fill a need and go with Fleener. He is worth the #32 pick. Anyone think thats a bad choice

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 05:46 PM
Lions took Dennard . I think I will go with the safe pick, Fill a need and go with Fleener. He is worth the #32 pick. Anyone think thats a bad choiceIt's not the sexiest pick but it's pretty solid.

nycsportzfan
03-02-2012, 05:46 PM
My Post Combine Mock Draft... Last one till after FA'cy, or during FA'cy...</P>


</P>


1. Peter Konz C Wisconsin- At one point, i thought no way he'd be there at 32, but its a possiblity, from what i've seen around the web.. Konz has the size to play G as well as C, and we love versatility, and he comes from a great running program, and all around Oline program.. Konz would probably have Reese rushing in the Pick for us, if hes on the board...</P>


2. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt- My 2nd ranked CB in the entire draft, is one of the most underrated prospects in the entire country.. He plays the run well, and is a true ballhawk, whos very smart and savy.. </P>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State- Cole looks great on the field, and thats where it matters, and if he falls to the end of RD 3, we should definetly pounce.. Hes got the Size to play SLB, as well as the expierence in the Middle.. Hes a gritty, hardnosed player, who can really thump ball carriers... </P>


4. Demario Davis OLB Arkansas St- To much value in RD 4 to pass us, and should really solitfy our LB unit for the forseeable future.. I've raved about Davis for awhile now, and he killed it at the Combine, looking exactly how u would expect him to look, if u seen him beast around on the field.. This guys a freaking missle! </P>


5. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think this kid would fit in perfectly to our WR unit... Hes got great hands, and knows how to get open.. Hes no slouch when it comes to the acrobatic catch as well...</P>


6. George Bryan TE Nc State- Falls to rd 6 because of slow yr, but was once a 2nd-4th rd prospect, and Reese knows value... If Bryan falls to RD 6, he'd be big value, at a positon of need..</P>


7. Sean Richardson SS Vanderbilt- Richardson was a huge part of Vandys stout Defense this past season.. He can really lay the wood, and plays the run well, and has the size to possibly take over the positon that Deon Grant played for us as a S/LB hybrid type..</P>

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:49 PM
Lions took Dennard . I think I will go with the safe pick, Fill a need and go with Fleener. He is worth the #32 pick. Anyone think thats a bad choiceIt's not the sexiest pick but it's pretty solid.
Really who else do I take
Hightower
Branch
Mercilus

critters
03-02-2012, 05:52 PM
From a pass rusher to Fleener in 10 minutes. haha. You know I say Donta Hightower but Fleener is a good get... I think you could go TE later, but it's definitely a pretty safe and solid pick.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 05:54 PM
From a pass rusher to Fleener in 10 minutes. haha. You know I say Donta Hightower but Fleener is a good get... I think you could go TE later, but it's definitely a pretty safe and solid pick.
I think the pass rushers are better players but going before FA TE makes more sense.

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 05:54 PM
From a pass rusher to Fleener in 10 minutes. haha. You know I say Donta Hightower but Fleener is a good get... I think you could go TE later, but it's definitely a pretty safe and solid pick.
Those are my exact thoughts except I'd go with Mercilus. I think 2-4 is the better value with TE myself. Fleener is a safe but good pick so I wouldn't be upset if he was our 1st rounder.

critters
03-02-2012, 05:57 PM
Nm

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 06:00 PM
My Post Combine Mock Draft... Last one till after FA'cy, or during FA'cy...</p>


*</p>


1. Peter Konz C Wisconsin-* At one point, i thought no way he'd be there at 32, but its a possiblity, from what i've seen around the web..* Konz has the size to play G as well as C, and we love versatility, and he comes from a great running program, and all around Oline program.. Konz would probably have Reese rushing in the Pick for us, if hes on the board...</p>


2. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt- My 2nd ranked CB in the entire draft, is one of the most underrated prospects in the entire country..* He plays the run well, and is a true ballhawk, whos very smart and savy..* </p>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State-* Cole looks great on the field, and thats where it matters, and if he falls to the end of RD 3, we should definetly pounce.. Hes got the Size to play SLB, as well as the expierence in the Middle.. Hes a gritty, hardnosed player, who can really thump ball carriers... </p>


4. Demario Davis OLB Arkansas St-* To much value in RD 4 to pass us, and should really solitfy our LB unit for the forseeable future.. I've* raved about Davis for awhile now, and he killed it at the Combine, looking exactly how u would expect him to look, if u seen him beast around on the field.. This guys a freaking missle! </p>


5. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think this kid would fit in perfectly to our WR unit... Hes got great hands, and knows how to get open.. Hes no slouch when it comes to the acrobatic catch as well...</p>


6. George Bryan TE Nc State- Falls to rd 6 because of slow yr, but was once a 2nd-4th rd prospect, and Reese knows value...* If Bryan falls to RD 6, he'd be big value, at a positon of need..</p>


7.* Sean Richardson SS Vanderbilt-* Richardson was a huge part of Vandys stout Defense this past season.. He can really lay the wood, and plays the run well, and has the size to possibly take over the positon that Deon Grant played for us as a* S/LB hybrid type..</p>

Definitely not aimed at you, but I keep hearing people saying they've been talking about Demario for a long time. I have as well and honestly don't recall ANYONE ever saying anything about him before or ever agreeing with me when I put him in all my mocks and called him one of the biggest sleepers in the draft. Now, I keep talking to people or seeing people post that they've been on him for so long. It's kinda weird. It's like all of a sudden he's the hot guy or something.
Thats what happens at the combine

BluGiantPies
03-02-2012, 06:01 PM
My Post Combine Mock Draft... Last one till after FA'cy, or during FA'cy...</p>


*</p>


1. Peter Konz C Wisconsin-* At one point, i thought no way he'd be there at 32, but its a possiblity, from what i've seen around the web..* Konz has the size to play G as well as C, and we love versatility, and he comes from a great running program, and all around Oline program.. Konz would probably have Reese rushing in the Pick for us, if hes on the board...</p>


2. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt- My 2nd ranked CB in the entire draft, is one of the most underrated prospects in the entire country..* He plays the run well, and is a true ballhawk, whos very smart and savy..* </p>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State-* Cole looks great on the field, and thats where it matters, and if he falls to the end of RD 3, we should definetly pounce.. Hes got the Size to play SLB, as well as the expierence in the Middle.. Hes a gritty, hardnosed player, who can really thump ball carriers... </p>


4. Demario Davis OLB Arkansas St-* To much value in RD 4 to pass us, and should really solitfy our LB unit for the forseeable future.. I've* raved about Davis for awhile now, and he killed it at the Combine, looking exactly how u would expect him to look, if u seen him beast around on the field.. This guys a freaking missle! </p>


5. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think this kid would fit in perfectly to our WR unit... Hes got great hands, and knows how to get open.. Hes no slouch when it comes to the acrobatic catch as well...</p>


6. George Bryan TE Nc State- Falls to rd 6 because of slow yr, but was once a 2nd-4th rd prospect, and Reese knows value...* If Bryan falls to RD 6, he'd be big value, at a positon of need..</p>


7.* Sean Richardson SS Vanderbilt-* Richardson was a huge part of Vandys stout Defense this past season.. He can really lay the wood, and plays the run well, and has the size to possibly take over the positon that Deon Grant played for us as a* S/LB hybrid type..</p>

Definitely not aimed at you, but I keep hearing people saying they've been talking about Demario for a long time. I have as well and honestly don't recall ANYONE ever saying anything about him before or ever agreeing with me when I put him in all my mocks and called him one of the biggest sleepers in the draft. Now, I keep talking to people or seeing people post that they've been on him for so long. It's kinda weird. It's like all of a sudden he's the hot guy or something.
I said u turned me on to him lol

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 06:02 PM
From a pass rusher to Fleener in 10 minutes. haha. You know I say Donta Hightower but Fleener is a good get... I think you could go TE later, but it's definitely a pretty safe and solid pick.
Those are my exact thoughts except I'd go with Mercilus. I think 2-4 is the better value with TE myself. Fleener is a safe but good pick so I wouldn't be upset if he was our 1st rounder. I was leaning more towards Branch actually

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 06:04 PM
From a pass rusher to Fleener in 10 minutes. haha. You know I say Donta Hightower but Fleener is a good get... I think you could go TE later, but it's definitely a pretty safe and solid pick.
Those are my exact thoughts except I'd go with Mercilus. I think 2-4 is the better value with TE myself. Fleener is a safe but good pick so I wouldn't be upset if he was our 1st rounder. I was leaning more towards Branch actuallyBranch I think would realistically be there at 32 opposed to Mercilus.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 06:07 PM
From a pass rusher to Fleener in 10 minutes. haha. You know I say Donta Hightower but Fleener is a good get... I think you could go TE later, but it's definitely a pretty safe and solid pick.
Those are my exact thoughts except I'd go with Mercilus. I think 2-4 is the better value with TE myself. Fleener is a safe but good pick so I wouldn't be upset if he was our 1st rounder. I was leaning more towards Branch actuallyBranch I think would realistically be there at 32 opposed to Mercilus.Mercilus is a Strongside end thats thats the only thing. Branch is more of the Situational Pass Rusher off the edge to replace Osi

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 06:09 PM
Im going Fleener fills the need then I can go BPA through the rest of the mock draft.

BluGiantPies
03-02-2012, 06:11 PM
From a pass rusher to Fleener in 10 minutes. haha. You know I say Donta Hightower but Fleener is a good get... I think you could go TE later, but it's definitely a pretty safe and solid pick.
Those are my exact thoughts except I'd go with Mercilus. I think 2-4 is the better value with TE myself. Fleener is a safe but good pick so I wouldn't be upset if he was our 1st rounder. I was leaning more towards Branch actually if I knew Jeffery was gonna run a 4.5 or lower with a 1.5 ten yard split or lower I'd take him in an instant.

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 06:15 PM
Im going Fleener fills the need then I can go BPA through the rest of the mock draft.Not a bad choice at all. Fleener does have upside and in this system with Nicks and Cruz, I find it hard for him not to be open constantly.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 06:16 PM
2nd round Im hoping for either Casey Heyward, Trumaine Johnson ,George Illoka, Amini Silatolu, or Bobby Massie.

critters
03-02-2012, 06:18 PM
My Post Combine Mock Draft... Last one till after FA'cy, or during FA'cy...</p>


</p>


1. Peter Konz C Wisconsin- At one point, i thought no way he'd be there at 32, but its a possiblity, from what i've seen around the web.. Konz has the size to play G as well as C, and we love versatility, and he comes from a great running program, and all around Oline program.. Konz would probably have Reese rushing in the Pick for us, if hes on the board...</p>


2. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt- My 2nd ranked CB in the entire draft, is one of the most underrated prospects in the entire country.. He plays the run well, and is a true ballhawk, whos very smart and savy.. </p>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State- Cole looks great on the field, and thats where it matters, and if he falls to the end of RD 3, we should definetly pounce.. Hes got the Size to play SLB, as well as the expierence in the Middle.. Hes a gritty, hardnosed player, who can really thump ball carriers... </p>


4. Demario Davis OLB Arkansas St- To much value in RD 4 to pass us, and should really solitfy our LB unit for the forseeable future.. I've raved about Davis for awhile now, and he killed it at the Combine, looking exactly how u would expect him to look, if u seen him beast around on the field.. This guys a freaking missle! </p>


5. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think this kid would fit in perfectly to our WR unit... Hes got great hands, and knows how to get open.. Hes no slouch when it comes to the acrobatic catch as well...</p>


6. George Bryan TE Nc State- Falls to rd 6 because of slow yr, but was once a 2nd-4th rd prospect, and Reese knows value... If Bryan falls to RD 6, he'd be big value, at a positon of need..</p>


7. Sean Richardson SS Vanderbilt- Richardson was a huge part of Vandys stout Defense this past season.. He can really lay the wood, and plays the run well, and has the size to possibly take over the positon that Deon Grant played for us as a S/LB hybrid type..</p>

Definitely not aimed at you, but I keep hearing people saying they've been talking about Demario for a long time. I have as well and honestly don't recall ANYONE ever saying anything about him before or ever agreeing with me when I put him in all my mocks and called him one of the biggest sleepers in the draft. Now, I keep talking to people or seeing people post that they've been on him for so long. It's kinda weird. It's like all of a sudden he's the hot guy or something.
I said u turned me on to him lol

haha. I'm not looking for any credit or anything like that, I just find it weird that on a lot of message boards I go to (college football boards) his name is popping up everywhere and it's like people that want to say they had someone's demo tape before they got big, everyone keeps saying they've been on this guy for so long. But it's message boards I read frequently and never saw anyone post about him (I know because he was sort of my secret guy as silly as that sounds and I would tell people to watch for the guy and get zero responses). Like I said, definitely not aimed at anyone here because I haven't followed this board closely in awhile because it wouldn't let me log in for about a year. Finally I got around to creating a new account. I have no idea what people have and haven't talked about here.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 06:19 PM
Man the Saints are in some trouble Im seeing that Lawyers are looking to file law suits for players that got injured while there bounties were going on

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 06:25 PM
2nd round Im hoping for either Casey Heyward, Trumaine Johnson ,George Illoka, Amini Silatolu, or Bobby Massie.I think Trumaine Johnson would be the best value pick in my opinion.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 07:13 PM
2nd round Im hoping for either Casey Heyward, Trumaine Johnson ,George Illoka, Amini Silatolu, or Bobby Massie.I think Trumaine Johnson would be the best value pick in my opinion.Couple guys are knocking me or taking Fleener. No way to make everybody happy though.

Neverend
03-02-2012, 09:39 PM
Wish there was more info, reports and video on Bobby massie out there. Not many people are talking about a seemingly very talented prospect

nycsportzfan
03-03-2012, 06:05 AM
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There the same size but I disagree there similar level prospects. Ingram was the best back in his class. I do like Martin but I think he goes in the third roundya, as far as round, i coulden't picture Martin getting up any higher then the 2nd round.. THe only backs i could see over the months making a push for a 1st round bid are possibly Chris Polk, Lamar Miller, and possibly bernard pierce(all though doubtful).. I could see Martin go in the 2nd round ala Shane Vereen last yr though.. Martin had another outstanding game as a Lead Horse back getting like 26carries 126yrds 1td 1catch 1td(don't quote me on the numbers, but something like that)..
I think Wes and I were dead on about Doug Martin... I was looking over the thread and some earlier posts, and this ones from OCT 22nd.. At the time, i got some gripes for agreeing with Bunting about how good Doug Martin could be..

nycsportzfan
03-03-2012, 06:39 AM
My Post Combine Mock Draft... Last one till after FA'cy, or during FA'cy...</P>


</P>


1. Peter Konz C Wisconsin- At one point, i thought no way he'd be there at 32, but its a possiblity, from what i've seen around the web.. Konz has the size to play G as well as C, and we love versatility, and he comes from a great running program, and all around Oline program.. Konz would probably have Reese rushing in the Pick for us, if hes on the board...</P>


2. Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt- My 2nd ranked CB in the entire draft, is one of the most underrated prospects in the entire country.. He plays the run well, and is a true ballhawk, whos very smart and savy.. </P>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State- Cole looks great on the field, and thats where it matters, and if he falls to the end of RD 3, we should definetly pounce.. Hes got the Size to play SLB, as well as the expierence in the Middle.. Hes a gritty, hardnosed player, who can really thump ball carriers... </P>


4. Demario Davis OLB Arkansas St- To much value in RD 4 to pass us, and should really solitfy our LB unit for the forseeable future.. I've raved about Davis for awhile now, and he killed it at the Combine, looking exactly how u would expect him to look, if u seen him beast around on the field.. This guys a freaking missle! </P>


5. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think this kid would fit in perfectly to our WR unit... Hes got great hands, and knows how to get open.. Hes no slouch when it comes to the acrobatic catch as well...</P>


6. George Bryan TE Nc State- Falls to rd 6 because of slow yr, but was once a 2nd-4th rd prospect, and Reese knows value... If Bryan falls to RD 6, he'd be big value, at a positon of need..</P>


7. Sean Richardson SS Vanderbilt- Richardson was a huge part of Vandys stout Defense this past season.. He can really lay the wood, and plays the run well, and has the size to possibly take over the positon that Deon Grant played for us as a S/LB hybrid type..</P>




Definitely not aimed at you, but I keep hearing people saying they've been talking about Demario for a long time. I have as well and honestly don't recall ANYONE ever saying anything about him before or ever agreeing with me when I put him in all my mocks and called him one of the biggest sleepers in the draft. Now, I keep talking to people or seeing people post that they've been on him for so long. It's kinda weird. It's like all of a sudden he's the hot guy or something.
Thats what happens at the combine I've been known about Demario Davis..lol I know about every prospect for the most part.. I asked REDEYE to make a Video of Demario Davis forever ago... I had Davis Mocked to us in the 6th RD back on January 23rd, and enjoyed watching his bowl game as well, where i posted about how impressed i was... Heres my Analysis on him when i mocked him in this thread on JAN 23rd... I also was very excited when he was added to the SR BOWL and posted about that as well... I'm not the type to act like i know a prospect if i dont.. For instance, a month or 2 ago, i posted in this thread asking if anyone knew anything about AMINI SILATOLU G MID WEST ST.. </P>


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nycsportzfan
03-03-2012, 06:44 AM
How many rounds are you doing Redeye? I'm beginning to think Giants get great value going DL #1, CB #2 TE/OL 3 &amp; 4 and then hear everyone say Jerry slaughtered the draft. I'm very curious to see how your draft goes.Its 7 Rounds its on http://nfldraftwizard.com/ 17. Cincinnati Bengals (OAK): Kendall Wright-Wide Receiver-Baylor 18. San Diego Chargers: Jonathan Martin-Offensive Tackle-Stanford 19. Chicago Bears: Dre Kirkpatrick-Cornerback-Alabama 20. Tennessee Titans: Peter Konz-Center/Guard-Wisconsin 21. Denver Broncos (CIN): Stephen Hill-Wide Receiver-Georgia Tech 22. St. Louis Rams (CLE): Fletcher Cox-Defensive Tackle-Mississippi State 23. Houston Texans (Det): Mohamed Sanu-Wide Receiver-Rutgers I was hoping Cox fell to me. The Rams draft has been great they ended up with Claiborne and Cox after trading the 2nd pick In possibly the deepest WR class ever(ya i said ever), where u coulden't convince me if u tried that guys like Juron Criner, Tommy Streeter, Ty Hilton, Marv McNutt, Brian Quick, Marvin Jones, Joe Adams, Jarious Wright, Nick Toon, Jeff Fuller, Dwight Jones, Chris Givens, Aj Jenkins, Rueben Randle, and Ryan Broyles, coulden't possibly be better then guys like Sanu and Stephen Hill, u got Hill and Sanu going in the TOP 23???lol I hope those Guys GM in the real draft!I like these WR's but I think i will wait and take one who falls in the 3rd or 4th round. Fleener is the easy pick for me to make. Its 1 u cant really argue with Ya, thats what i'm saying.. The people were taking Sanu and Hill before pick 25 in the draft are crazy, with all the depth there is.. </P>


I agree Fleener is a great choice, but anyhthing but easy when u got a Athletic, strong, bigtime motor DE in Mercilus on the board... I personally would take mercilus, as hes a turnover creating machine, but Fleener is also a awesome choice..</P>

Neverend
03-03-2012, 07:00 AM
I actually like that ingram, martin comparison. Both extremely balanced, polished, low to the ground runners without elite speed. obviously martin didn't face the level of competition and had the career ingram had, but as far as skill sets go its a good comparison.

nycsportzfan
03-03-2012, 07:37 AM
I actually like that ingram, martin comparison. Both extremely balanced, polished, low to the ground runners without elite speed. obviously martin didn't face the level of competition and had the career ingram had, but as far as skill sets go its a good comparison. I think Martin might be a more complete back, being able to return kicks and catch very well, but i'd give the edge to Ingram in the power game, all though Martin is no slouch there either.. I love Doug Martin as a prospect, and don't feel i'm way out tehre when i say, he could be the 2nd best RB in this class, and the next RB in the class of the MJD's and Ray Rices... I woudlen't be shocked if we look back in a couple yrs and Martin is one of the best backs in the league...

TheEnigma
03-03-2012, 07:47 AM
I actually like that ingram, martin comparison. Both extremely balanced, polished, low to the ground runners without elite speed. obviously martin didn't face the level of competition and had the career ingram had, but as far as skill sets go its a good comparison.* I think Martin might be a more complete back,* being able to return kicks and catch very well, but i'd give the edge to Ingram in the power game, all though Martin is no slouch there either..* I love Doug Martin as a prospect, and don't feel i'm way out tehre when i say, he could be the 2nd best RB in this class, and the next* RB in the class of the MJD's and Ray Rices...* I woudlen't be shocked if we look back in a couple yrs and Martin is one of the best backs in the league...I could also see a team with a big need at RB selecting him 2nd behind Trent Richardson due to what he can bring to the table but I don't think we'll see any other RB's being selected in the 1st. My guess is Doug Martin goes in the early 2nd to mid 3rd round area.

Redeyejedi
03-03-2012, 09:15 AM
How many rounds are you doing Redeye? I'm beginning to think Giants get great value going DL #1, CB #2 TE/OL 3 & 4 and then hear everyone say Jerry slaughtered the draft. I'm very curious to see how your draft goes.Its 7 Rounds its on http://nfldraftwizard.com/ 17. Cincinnati Bengals (OAK): Kendall Wright-Wide Receiver-Baylor 18. San Diego Chargers: Jonathan Martin-Offensive Tackle-Stanford 19. Chicago Bears: Dre Kirkpatrick-Cornerback-Alabama 20. Tennessee Titans: Peter Konz-Center/Guard-Wisconsin 21. Denver Broncos (CIN): Stephen Hill-Wide Receiver-Georgia Tech 22. St. Louis Rams (CLE): Fletcher Cox-Defensive Tackle-Mississippi State 23. Houston Texans (Det): Mohamed Sanu-Wide Receiver-Rutgers I was hoping Cox fell to me. The Rams draft has been great they ended up with Claiborne and Cox after trading the 2nd pick In possibly the deepest WR class ever(ya i said ever), where u coulden't convince me if u tried that guys like Juron Criner, Tommy Streeter, Ty Hilton, Marv McNutt, Brian Quick, Marvin Jones, Joe Adams, Jarious Wright, Nick Toon, Jeff Fuller, Dwight Jones, Chris Givens, Aj Jenkins, Rueben Randle, and Ryan Broyles, coulden't possibly be better then guys like Sanu and Stephen Hill,* u got Hill and Sanu going in the TOP 23???lol** I hope those Guys GM in the real draft!I like these WR's but I think i will wait and take one who falls in the 3rd or 4th round. Fleener is the easy pick for me to make. Its 1 u cant really argue with Ya, thats what i'm saying.. The people were taking Sanu and Hill before pick 25 in the draft are crazy, with all the depth there is..** </P>


I agree Fleener is a great choice, but anyhthing but easy when u got a Athletic, strong, bigtime motor DE in Mercilus on the board...* I personally would take mercilus, as hes a turnover creating machine, but* Fleener is also a awesome choice..</P>I went safe. When I do one after FA he may be the choice. At the moment it was easier to take a day 1 starter then a player who would be 5th at best for snaps at DE next season. If Osi doesnt get an extension, Giants sign a FA TE my mind will be changed. I do think Mercilus and Branch are better players though

heavyhitter
03-03-2012, 10:19 AM
Man the Saints are in some trouble Im seeing that Lawyers are looking to file law suits for players that got injured while there bounties were going on<font size="2">Yeah, I heard about this. Crazy s***, they could lose draft picks, fines/suspensions for coaches, ect. </font>
<font size="2">
NEW YORK (AP) ? New Orleans Saints players and at
least one assistant coach maintained a bounty pool of up to $50,000 the
last three seasons to reward game-ending injuries inflicted on opposing
players, including Brett Favre and Kurt Warner, the NFL said Friday.
"Knockouts" were worth $1,500 and "cart-offs" $1,000, with payments
doubled or tripled for the playoffs.
The NFL said the pool amounts reached their height in 2009, the year the Saints won the Super Bowl.
The
league said between 22 and 27 defensive players were involved in the
program and that it was administered by defensive coordinator Gregg
Williams, with the knowledge of coach Sean Payton.
</font>

heavyhitter
03-03-2012, 10:31 AM
<font size="2">Canes QB Stephen Morris had back surgery and is expected to be out for spring practice. Tough break for the Hurricanes-</font>

Raptor22
03-03-2012, 10:43 AM
While I definitely agree that Martin could be the 2nd best RB in the draft, I think Wilson and Miller will go first, based on their "home run" threat (ie: long speed). I like Martin better than either one of them, but I think he's going to be a guy where GM's talk themselves out of the pick.

Also, I hope people don't sleep on Robert Trubin. He's practically a clone of Martin. I bit faster in the straight line, but a bit worse in tight spaces... he'll be a great value pick in 3-4rd range.


Man the Saints are in some trouble Im seeing that Lawyers are looking to file law suits for players that got injured while there bounties were going on

Oh, the Saints are going to get CRUSHED by Goddell. Not only were they defying the salary cap, but very publicly trying to injure players... and it was instituted by the coaching staff. Players doing it amongst themselves is one thing, but when its the organization encouraging it... There is going to be hell to pay.

Mass player suspensions, coaching staff suspensions (Williams in St. Louis as well), and maybe the loss of several draft picks. Probably 500K in fines too.

heavyhitter
03-03-2012, 11:02 AM
<font size="2">Redeye, you plan on starting a top 100 thread? </font>

nycsportzfan
03-03-2012, 12:23 PM
I actually like that ingram, martin comparison. Both extremely balanced, polished, low to the ground runners without elite speed. obviously martin didn't face the level of competition and had the career ingram had, but as far as skill sets go its a good comparison. I think Martin might be a more complete back, being able to return kicks and catch very well, but i'd give the edge to Ingram in the power game, all though Martin is no slouch there either.. I love Doug Martin as a prospect, and don't feel i'm way out tehre when i say, he could be the 2nd best RB in this class, and the next RB in the class of the MJD's and Ray Rices... I woudlen't be shocked if we look back in a couple yrs and Martin is one of the best backs in the league...I could also see a team with a big need at RB selecting him 2nd behind Trent Richardson due to what he can bring to the table but I don't think we'll see any other RB's being selected in the 1st. My guess is Doug Martin goes in the early 2nd to mid 3rd round area. I'd be surprised if he makes it 10picks into the 2nd rd personally..

heavyhitter
03-03-2012, 07:33 PM
This MB needs a top 100 prospect thread. I'll probably start one in the next few days unless someone beats me to it.

Redeyejedi
03-03-2012, 10:10 PM
2nd round Im hoping for either Casey Heyward, Trumaine Johnson ,George Illoka, Amini Silatolu, or Bobby Massie.I think Trumaine Johnson would be the best value pick in my opinion.Thats who I picked. It pained me not to take Amini Silatolu but there is still good lineman left Silatolu,Zeitler,Massie,Brooks. I might try to trade up and get Silatolu.

heavyhitter
03-04-2012, 07:01 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


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Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
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<td><font size="2">35 bench reps of 225 pounds</font></td></tr>
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<td><font size="2">38.5 inch vertical jump</font></td></tr>
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<td><font size="2">124 inch broad jump</font></td></tr>
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<td><font size="2">7.25 3 cone drill</font></td></tr>
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<td><font size="2">4.66 20 yard shuttle</font></td></tr></tbody></table>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<font size="2">I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</font>


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<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Rank</td>
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<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
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<td align="center">2</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
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<td align="center">3</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
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<td align="center">4</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
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<td rowspan="2" align="center">5 (tie)</td>
<td>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</td>
<td>Vinny Curry, Marshall
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<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
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<font size="2">*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</font>
<font size="3">I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</font></p>


<font size="3">Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</font></p>
<font size="2">1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </font>

Redeyejedi
03-04-2012, 08:35 AM
Hey sportzfan u ever notice Mercilus is missing half a finger on his hand. Weight Room Accident

JPP
03-04-2012, 12:52 PM
Hey sportzfan u ever notice Mercilus is missing half a finger on his hand. Weight Room Accident

Screw missing a tooth eh, missing a finger now that is bad ***! lol

Redeyejedi
03-04-2012, 01:37 PM
Hey sportzfan u ever notice Mercilus is missing half a finger on his hand. Weight Room Accident

Screw missing a tooth eh, missing a finger now that is bad ***! lolIts only the top not the whole thing.He said his Nickname is Stubs or 9 piece lol. I like he can laugh about it. A 400 pound weight fell on his finger. That must of hurt like a mother. Hasnt effected him from swatting balls out of peoples hands

Raptor22
03-04-2012, 04:52 PM
Hey sportzfan u ever notice Mercilus is missing half a finger on his hand. Weight Room Accident

Screw missing a tooth eh, missing a finger now that is bad ***! lolIts only the top not the whole thing.He said his Nickname is Stubs or 9 piece lol. I like he can laugh about it. A 400 pound weight fell on his finger. That must of hurt like a mother. Hasnt effected him from swatting balls out of peoples hands

Hell, it worked out okay for Tony Iommi...

JPP
03-04-2012, 11:04 PM
Hey sportzfan u ever notice Mercilus is missing half a finger on his hand. Weight Room Accident

Screw missing a tooth eh, missing a finger now that is bad ***! lolIts only the top not the whole thing.He said his Nickname is Stubs or 9 piece lol. I like he can laugh about it. A 400 pound weight fell on his finger. That must of hurt like a mother. Hasnt effected him from swatting balls out of peoples hands

Hell, it worked out okay for Tony Iommi...


+1

myles2424
03-05-2012, 12:05 AM
I'd like to go on record for Vinny Curry.....
He's going to be what Nicks was to the 2009 WR class....
Somewhat overlooked,3rd+ taken at his position...
Possibly late 1st rounder....
But is going to ball out early in his career,while others fail/mediocre..

heavyhitter
03-05-2012, 12:08 AM
Hey sportzfan u ever notice Mercilus is missing half a finger on his hand. Weight Room Accident

Screw missing a tooth eh, missing a finger now that is bad ***! lolIts only the top not the whole thing.He said his Nickname is Stubs or 9 piece lol. I like he can laugh about it. A 400 pound weight fell on his finger. That must of hurt like a mother. Hasnt effected him from swatting balls out of peoples hands<font size="2">Lol, I think I'd take the nickname 9 piece over Stubs anyday of the week. That's some funny s***.
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nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 12:17 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


</P>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <FONT size=4>I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</FONT> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<FONT size=3>Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </FONT>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<FONT size=2>I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</FONT>
<TABLE class=tableizer-table>
<TBODY>
<TR class=tableizer-firstrow>
<TH><FONT size=2>Nick Perry Combine Results</FONT></TH></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.64 40 yard dash</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>35 bench reps of 225 pounds</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>38.5 inch vertical jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>124 inch broad jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>7.25 3 cone drill</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.66 20 yard shuttle</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<FONT size=2>I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</FONT>


<TABLE align=center border=1>
<TBODY>
<TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Rank</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Previous Ranking (1/24)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Updated Rank (2/14)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Change</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>1</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>2</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>3</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>4</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle rowSpan=2>5 (tie)</TD>
<TD>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</TD>
<TD>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



<FONT size=2>*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</FONT>
<FONT size=3>I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</FONT></P>


<FONT size=3>Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</FONT></P>
<FONT size=2>1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </FONT>
We'll do just Sacks, because its more fair.. I'd hate to lose the best when Mercilus has 5more sacks and 3more FF's, but one less TFL or something..lol

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 12:18 AM
Hey sportzfan u ever notice Mercilus is missing half a finger on his hand. Weight Room Accident ya, i actually did here that... That must of been extremely painful!! OUCH!!!!lol

heavyhitter
03-05-2012, 07:10 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


</p>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</font>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<tbody>
<tr class="tableizer-firstrow">
<th><font size="2">Nick Perry Combine Results</font></th></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.64 40 yard dash</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">35 bench reps of 225 pounds</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">38.5 inch vertical jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">124 inch broad jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">7.25 3 cone drill</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.66 20 yard shuttle</font></td></tr></tbody></table>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<font size="2">I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</font>


<table border="1" align="center">
<tbody>
<tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Rank</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Previous Ranking (1/24)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Updated Rank (2/14)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Change</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">1</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">2</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">3</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">4</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="2" align="center">5 (tie)</td>
<td>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</td>
<td>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>



<font size="2">*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</font>
<font size="3">I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</font></p>


<font size="3">Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</font></p>
<font size="2">1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </font>
We'll do just Sacks, because its more fair.. I'd hate to lose the best when Mercilus has 5more sacks and 3more FF's, but one less TFL or something..lol<font size="2">You got it, sig bet is ON. Mercilus vs Perry in 2012 for most sacks. Hope you're prepared to be sporting a Justin Beiber sig for 6 months, lol. </font>

heavyhitter
03-05-2012, 07:12 AM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


</p>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</font>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<tbody>
<tr class="tableizer-firstrow">
<th><font size="2">Nick Perry Combine Results</font></th></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.64 40 yard dash</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">35 bench reps of 225 pounds</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">38.5 inch vertical jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">124 inch broad jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">7.25 3 cone drill</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.66 20 yard shuttle</font></td></tr></tbody></table>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<font size="2">I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</font>


<table border="1" align="center">
<tbody>
<tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Rank</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Previous Ranking (1/24)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Updated Rank (2/14)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Change</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">1</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">2</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">3</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">4</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="2" align="center">5 (tie)</td>
<td>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</td>
<td>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>



<font size="2">*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</font>
<font size="3">I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</font></p>


<font size="3">Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</font></p>
<font size="2">1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </font>
We'll do just Sacks, because its more fair.. I'd hate to lose the best when Mercilus has 5more sacks and 3more FF's, but one less TFL or something..lol<font size="2">You got it, sig bet is ON. Mercilus vs Perry in 2012 for most sacks. Hope you're prepared to be sporting a Justin Beiber sig for 6 months, lol. </font>

Raptor22
03-05-2012, 09:17 AM
*Lotta quoted posts*<font size="2">You got it, sig bet is ON. Mercilus vs Perry in 2012 for most sacks. Hope you're prepared to be sporting a Justin Beiber sig for 6 months, lol. </font>


Oh come on, don't bring that Bieber carp in here...

Redeyejedi
03-05-2012, 12:11 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


</p>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd.* Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree*** Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic** Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</font>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<tbody>
<tr class="tableizer-firstrow">
<th><font size="2">Nick Perry Combine Results</font></th></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.64 40 yard dash</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">35 bench reps of 225 pounds</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">38.5 inch vertical jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">124 inch broad jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">7.25 3 cone drill</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.66 20 yard shuttle</font></td></tr></tbody></table>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<font size="2">I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</font>


<table border="1" align="center">
<tbody>
<tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Rank</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Previous Ranking (1/24)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Updated Rank (2/14)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Change</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">1</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">2</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">3</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">4</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="2" align="center">5 (tie)</td>
<td>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</td>
<td>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>



<font size="2">*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February & I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</font>
<font size="3">I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</font></p>


<font size="3">Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</font></p>
<font size="2">1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </font>
* We'll do just Sacks, because its more fair.. I'd hate to lose the best when Mercilus has 5more sacks and 3more FF's, but one less TFL or something..lol<font size="2">You got it, sig bet is ON. Mercilus vs Perry in 2012 for most sacks. Hope you're prepared to be sporting a Justin Beiber sig for 6 months, lol. </font>
What if Someone gets an ACL in training camp is the bet still good

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 01:15 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


</P>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <FONT size=4>I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</FONT> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<FONT size=3>Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </FONT>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<FONT size=2>I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</FONT>
<TABLE class=tableizer-table>
<TBODY>
<TR class=tableizer-firstrow>
<TH><FONT size=2>Nick Perry Combine Results</FONT></TH></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.64 40 yard dash</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>35 bench reps of 225 pounds</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>38.5 inch vertical jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>124 inch broad jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>7.25 3 cone drill</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.66 20 yard shuttle</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<FONT size=2>I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</FONT>


<TABLE align=center border=1>
<TBODY>
<TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Rank</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Previous Ranking (1/24)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Updated Rank (2/14)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Change</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>1</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>2</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>3</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>4</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle rowSpan=2>5 (tie)</TD>
<TD>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</TD>
<TD>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



<FONT size=2>*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</FONT>
<FONT size=3>I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</FONT></P>


<FONT size=3>Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</FONT></P>
<FONT size=2>1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </FONT>
We'll do just Sacks, because its more fair.. I'd hate to lose the best when Mercilus has 5more sacks and 3more FF's, but one less TFL or something..lol<FONT size=2>You got it, sig bet is ON. Mercilus vs Perry in 2012 for most sacks. Hope you're prepared to be sporting a Justin Beiber sig for 6 months, lol. </FONT>
lmao!! And u better be prepared for the Back Street Boys being all up in your sig!!!lol "BACKSTREETS BACK, ALL RIGHT!!!"..lol

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 01:16 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


</P>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <FONT size=4>I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</FONT> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<FONT size=3>Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </FONT>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<FONT size=2>I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</FONT>
<TABLE class=tableizer-table>
<TBODY>
<TR class=tableizer-firstrow>
<TH><FONT size=2>Nick Perry Combine Results</FONT></TH></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.64 40 yard dash</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>35 bench reps of 225 pounds</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>38.5 inch vertical jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>124 inch broad jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>7.25 3 cone drill</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.66 20 yard shuttle</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<FONT size=2>I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</FONT>


<TABLE align=center border=1>
<TBODY>
<TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Rank</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Previous Ranking (1/24)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Updated Rank (2/14)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Change</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>1</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>2</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>3</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>4</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle rowSpan=2>5 (tie)</TD>
<TD>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</TD>
<TD>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



<FONT size=2>*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</FONT>
<FONT size=3>I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</FONT></P>


<FONT size=3>Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</FONT></P>
<FONT size=2>1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </FONT>
We'll do just Sacks, because its more fair.. I'd hate to lose the best when Mercilus has 5more sacks and 3more FF's, but one less TFL or something..lol<FONT size=2>You got it, sig bet is ON. Mercilus vs Perry in 2012 for most sacks. Hope you're prepared to be sporting a Justin Beiber sig for 6 months, lol. </FONT>
What if Someone gets an ACL in training camp is the bet still good Nah, injuries gotta kill the bet.. If one of the players misses say 5games or more, i'm down for bet being off...

Redeyejedi
03-05-2012, 03:38 PM
3rd round I tried to move up to 81 to get Amini Silatolu-Guard-Midwestern State but the communication got lost somehow. Dolphins took him at 82. U guys think I should go Massie, Mccants, Brandon Brooks , Brandon Thompson

http://nfldraftwizard.com/

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 04:11 PM
Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion.. I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 04:20 PM
Looks like Brandon Brooks is off the board for ya REDEYE.. Looking at your mock, the guys i'd personally consider now are Bobbie Massie, Audie Cole, Bernard Pierce, Nigel bradham, or Juron Criner.. I can't believe Criner is still on the board.. In my order it be</P>


</P>


1. Bobbie Massie</P>


2. Juron Criner</P>


3. Bernard Pierce</P>


4. Audie Cole</P>

heavyhitter
03-05-2012, 06:42 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</p>


<font color="#1c62b9">Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</p>


</p>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</p>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <font size="4">I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</font> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<font size="3">Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </font>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<font size="2">I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</font>
<table class="tableizer-table">
<tbody>
<tr class="tableizer-firstrow">
<th><font size="2">Nick Perry Combine Results</font></th></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.64 40 yard dash</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">35 bench reps of 225 pounds</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">38.5 inch vertical jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">124 inch broad jump</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">7.25 3 cone drill</font></td></tr>
<tr>
<td><font size="2">4.66 20 yard shuttle</font></td></tr></tbody></table>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<font size="2">I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</font>


<table border="1" align="center">
<tbody>
<tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Rank</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Previous Ranking (1/24)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Updated Rank (2/14)
</td>
<td style="COLOR: #ffffff" align="center">Change</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">1</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">2</td>
<td>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</td>
<td>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">3</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td align="center">4</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td rowspan="2" align="center">5 (tie)</td>
<td>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</td>
<td>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>Andre Branch, Clemson</td>
<td>Nick Perry, USC</td>
<td align="center">http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</td></tr></tbody></table>



<font size="2">*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</font>
<font size="3">I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</font></p>


<font size="3">Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</font></p>
<font size="2">1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </font>
We'll do just Sacks, because its more fair.. I'd hate to lose the best when Mercilus has 5more sacks and 3more FF's, but one less TFL or something..lol<font size="2">You got it, sig bet is ON. Mercilus vs Perry in 2012 for most sacks. Hope you're prepared to be sporting a Justin Beiber sig for 6 months, lol. </font>
What if Someone gets an ACL in training camp is the bet still good Nah, injuries gotta kill the bet.. If one of the players misses say 5games or more, i'm down for bet being off...<font size="2">Alright, there's too many moving parts to this bet. I'm game, but someone other than you or me needs to lay down the "rules of the bet". This much is pretty clear though:
1) Mercilus (your guy) vs Perry (my guy) for most sacks in 2012
2) Loser must keep SIG up for 6 months
3) SIG can be whatever the winner of the bet chooses (as long as it doesn't violate GMB rules)

**Someone else other than Sportzfan or myself needs to lay down the rest of the rules. Ex. injuries, games missed, ect.
</font>

Redeyejedi
03-05-2012, 06:43 PM
Here is Tony Paulines Top 33 that he gets from info from NFL Scouts. Frickin Poe is #3. I havent seen much of Poe but what I have he plays nowhere near his measurements.

1. Andrew Luck – QB – Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III – QB – Baylor
3. Dontari Poe – NT – Memphis
4. Melvin Ingram – OLB – South Carolina
5. Trent Richardson – RB – Alabama
6. Matt Kalil – OT – USC
7. Justin Blackmon – WR – Oklahoma State
8. Morris Claiborne – CB – LSU
9. Fletcher Cox – DT – Mississippi State
10. Quinton Coples – DE – North Carolina
11. David DeCastro – OG – Stanford
12. Dre’ Kirkpatrick – CB – Alabama
13. Michael Brockers – DT – LSU
14. Jonathan Martin – OT – Stanford
15. Michael Floyd – WR – Notre Dame
16. Cordy Glenn – OL – Georgia
17. Devon Still – DT – Penn State
18. Whitney Mercilus – DE – Illinois
19. Coby Fleener – TE – Stanford
20. Nick Perry – DE – USC
21. Luke Kuechly – LB – Boston College
22. Kevin Zeitler – OG – Wisconsin
23. Ryan Tannehill – QB – Texas A&M
24. Doug Martin – RB – Boise State
25. Jerel Worthy – DT – Michigan State
26. Bobby Wagner – LB – Utah State
27. Stephon Gilmore – CB – South Carolina
28. Kendall Wright – WR – Baylor
29. Dwayne Allen – TE – Clemson
30. Donta Hightower – LB – Alabama
31. Kendall Reyes – DT – UConn
32. Stephen Hill – WR - Georgia Tech
33. Riley Reiff – OG – Iowa

heavyhitter
03-05-2012, 06:57 PM
Here is Tony Paulines Top 33 that he gets from info from NFL Scouts. Frickin Poe is #3. I havent seen much of Poe but what I have he plays nowhere near his measurements

1. Andrew Luck – QB – Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III – QB – Baylor
3. Dontari Poe – NT – Memphis
4. Melvin Ingram – OLB – South Carolina
5. Trent Richardson – RB – Alabama
6. Matt Kalil – OT – USC
7. Justin Blackmon – WR – Oklahoma State
8. Morris Claiborne – CB – LSU
9. Fletcher Cox – DT – Mississippi State
10. Quinton Coples – DE – North Carolina
11. David DeCastro – OG – Stanford
12. Dre’ Kirkpatrick – CB – Alabama
13. Michael Brockers – DT – LSU
14. Jonathan Martin – OT – Stanford
15. Michael Floyd – WR – Notre Dame
16. Cordy Glenn – OL – Georgia
17. Devon Still – DT – Penn State
18. Whitney Mercilus – DE – Illinois
19. Coby Fleener – TE – Stanford
20. Nick Perry – DE – USC
21. Luke Kuechly – LB – Boston College
22. Kevin Zeitler – OG – Wisconsin
23. Ryan Tannehill – QB – Texas A&amp;M
24. Doug Martin – RB – Boise State
25. Jerel Worthy – DT – Michigan State
26. Bobby Wagner – LB – Utah State
27. Stephon Gilmore – CB – South Carolina
28. Kendall Wright – WR – Baylor
29. Dwayne Allen – TE – Clemson
30. Donta Hightower – LB – Alabama
31. Kendall Reyes – DT – UConn
32. Stephen Hill – WR - Georgia Tech
33. Riley Reiff – OG – Iowa<font size="2">Not sure what to make of this right here. I'd move a lot of players around especially in the 16-33 range. </font>

heavyhitter
03-05-2012, 07:05 PM
<font size="4"><u>Georgia Pro Day </u></font>

<font size="2">* In all, there were 46 scouts in attendance, representing 30 different
NFL teams. The Cowboys and Bears were the only teams who were not
represented.


* </font>
<font size="2">Brandon Boykin
said he is still working back toward 100 percent after breaking a bone
in his leg while covering a punt at the Senior Bowl. He said he's at
about 85 percent and will hold an individual pro day workout on campus
in early April. He did participate in the bench press and completed 16
reps, which is better than the average for cornerbacks -- particularly
one who played at about 180 pounds.

<a name="more"></a>

* Orson Charles
didn't participate in bench press today, which makes sense since he
reportedly broke the tight end record with 35 reps at the combine.
However, he didn't run at the combine (he said it was because he decided
to turn pro late and felt like he wanted more time to train), so he did
so today. He was disappointed by his performance there, since he wanted
a 4.5 and came in between mid 4.6s and the 4.8s depending on if the
wind was at his back or in his face. He said he hopes to run again for
interested teams in individual workouts.


* </font>
<font size="2">Cordy Glenn and Ben Jones
sat on their numbers from the combine and did only position drills
today. Cordy, you'll recall, was one of the most buzzworthy competitors
at the combine.

* Here are some numbers scouts provided UGA from the workouts:


Anderson: 330 pounds, 32 reps on 225-pound bench.
</font>
<font size="2">
Boykin: 181 pounds, 16 reps on bench press

Charles: 4.75 40, 30.5 vertical, 9.5 long jump, 4.75 shuttle time, 4.29 3-cone drills.

Figgins: 272 pounds, 5.2 40, 23 reps on bench press, 4.3 shuttle time, 7.3 3-cone drill.

Tyson: 308 pounds, 30 reps on bench press, 4.8 40, 3-cone drill 4.6

White: 238 pounds, 22 reps on bench press, 4.73 40, 7.13 3-cone drill.


http://proxy.espn.go.com/blog/colleges/georgia/post?id=3697

</font>

heavyhitter
03-05-2012, 07:19 PM
Here is Tony Paulines Top 33 that he gets from info from NFL Scouts. Frickin Poe is #3. I havent seen much of Poe but what I have he plays nowhere near his measurements. <font size="2">I can see him putting Poe in the top 10 but #3 may be a bit high. It's all about that "Poe Power". He's definitely legit and deserves much praise. Played for small school Memphis in Conference USA most likely due to academics. Only had 1 offer coming out of HS. Sat out his 1st year at Memphis due to grades. His stats don't do him any justice because the guy was constantly double teamed. </font>

heavyhitter
03-05-2012, 07:44 PM
<font size="2">How about UCF CB Josh Robinson. Asante Samuel came out of that school as well, can Robinson get on that level? I'd say it's possible, he certainly looks and plays the part.
</font>
<h3>2012 NFL Prospect Highlights: Josh Robinson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXAsPP895Kk)</h3>

TheEnigma
03-05-2012, 07:56 PM
Mayock said that he thinks Robinson could make his way into the 1st round but I suspect he'll be an early to mid 2nd myself.

He's got all the tools for the position (except a little height) but that shouldn't hurt him too bad. I'd take this kid if he was still available at 64.

bronxvgiant
03-05-2012, 08:28 PM
Alshon Jeffrey would be awesome,Poe and Decastro

Redeyejedi
03-05-2012, 09:12 PM
*Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion..* I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...Its Massie so far

1. Coby Fleener TE

2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S

3. Bobby Massie OT

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 09:18 PM
I will put this in the film room thread as wel but just in case U didnt see this</P>


<FONT color=#1c62b9>Doug Martin vs Arizona State 2011 "Las Vegas Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONBzZDKI7IY)</P>


</P>


Redeye, whats your thoughts/film on any DE's coming in the draft this year that could fall to the 2nd or 3rd rd. Obviously you cant see the future, but some guys that could be great value in the 2nd/3rd?</P>Im not really feeling any of these pass rushers to be honest with U.Whitney Mercilus looks fantastic! I actually hope we can somehow get him to go with JPP for our future DE tandem. <FONT size=4>I think Mercilus is the closest thing to JPP since JPP..</FONT> I think he rises to far up the draft for us though.. I'm thinking Janoris Jenkins at this point because i expect mercilus, kuechly, richardson and decastro to all be gone by the time we select.. I'm now hoping for Janoris Jenkins, Chase Minnifield, Pete Konz(if he comes out), Dwayne Allen, or Jerel Worthy..I havent disagreed with U much this season but I do disagree with U about Mercilus.I dont think he is a bad prospect but I dont see anywhere near the elite level athletic ability JPP possess's .JPP had an insane burst off the line of scrimmage,Mercilus doesnt have that.What is similar about Mercilus and JPP is the motor.Both players play hard dont take plays off and are relentless.I do like that quality about Mercilus. Mercilus isnt so much about elite athleticism but hard work.Mercilus is also pretty well refined as a player.He uses his hands and arms real well. He reminds me more of a Derrick Morgan or Robert Ayers prospect then JPP or Aldon Smith.<FONT size=3>Got to agree w/ Redeye on Whitney Mercilus. Not a bad prospect, but nowhere near the level of JPP. I actually think Nick Perry of USC is a much better defensive end. </FONT>
Its fine to dissagree Either way Whitney is gonna be a stud and i think u lead the nation in sacks and forced fumbles when your litteraly the focus of offensive lines unless your very athletic Hes fantastic!
<FONT size=2>I've still got Southern Cal DE Nick Perry rated higher than Mercilus. His stock has gotta be on the rise w/ his strong combine showing the other day. Here's his results:
</FONT>
<TABLE class=tableizer-table>
<TBODY>
<TR class=tableizer-firstrow>
<TH><FONT size=2>Nick Perry Combine Results</FONT></TH></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.64 40 yard dash</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>35 bench reps of 225 pounds</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>38.5 inch vertical jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>124 inch broad jump</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>7.25 3 cone drill</FONT></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD><FONT size=2>4.66 20 yard shuttle</FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Ya, his stock on the rise from a all ready most likely 1st rder.. Hes been rated higher then mercilus... I never thought Perrys had a chacne at going to us.. regardless, i like Mercilus more, but i can understand why some like Perry, because most Sites got him ranked higher then Mercilus..<FONT size=2>I'm not gonna argue w/ you pal, here's Mayock's top 5 at DE:</FONT>


<TABLE align=center border=1>
<TBODY>
<TR style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #193561">
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Rank</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Previous Ranking (1/24)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Updated Rank (2/14)
</TD>
<TD style="COLOR: #ffffff" align=middle>Change</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>1</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>2</TD>
<TD>Melvin Ingram, South Carolina</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples, North Carolina</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>3</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gifhttp://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle>4</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD>Whitney Mercilus, Illinois</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD align=middle rowSpan=2>5 (tie)</TD>
<TD>Chandler Jones, Syracuse</TD>
<TD>Vinny Curry, Marshall
</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664581/increase.gif</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>Andre Branch, Clemson</TD>
<TD>Nick Perry, USC</TD>
<TD align=middle>http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/664578/decrease.gif</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



<FONT size=2>*That's right, he had Mercilus ranked ahead of Perry in January and February &amp; I still stick to my word that Nick Perry is a better DE than Whitney Mercilus. End of discussion-</FONT>
<FONT size=3>I think Perrys gonna be a big bust to be honest... He didn't even show up untill the last 4games of the season...</FONT></P>


<FONT size=3>Now theres a SIG BET i'll do with ya.. I'll gurantee u that Mercilus has more sacks and forced fumbles and TFL then Perry as a rookie...</FONT></P>
<FONT size=2>1) I think you've got Nick Perry all wrong
2) You're ON for the SIG BET
3) We will have to come up w/ a time frame for how long the loser of the bet has to keep the SIG up for. I'm thinking about 6 months sounds fair. </FONT>
We'll do just Sacks, because its more fair.. I'd hate to lose the best when Mercilus has 5more sacks and 3more FF's, but one less TFL or something..lol<FONT size=2>You got it, sig bet is ON. Mercilus vs Perry in 2012 for most sacks. Hope you're prepared to be sporting a Justin Beiber sig for 6 months, lol. </FONT>
What if Someone gets an ACL in training camp is the bet still good Nah, injuries gotta kill the bet.. If one of the players misses say 5games or more, i'm down for bet being off...<FONT size=2>Alright, there's too many moving parts to this bet. I'm game, but someone other than you or me needs to lay down the "rules of the bet". This much is pretty clear though:
1) Mercilus (your guy) vs Perry (my guy) for most sacks in 2012
2) Loser must keep SIG up for 6 months
3) SIG can be whatever the winner of the bet chooses (as long as it doesn't violate GMB rules)

**Someone else other than Sportzfan or myself needs to lay down the rest of the rules. Ex. injuries, games missed, ect.
</FONT>
its not that many moving parts..lol Its perfect.. Most sacks, unless a player misses 5games or more.. Loser keeps sig of there opponets chosing for 6 months.. And there it is.. GOod Luck! NOOOOTTTT!!!!lol

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 09:25 PM
Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion.. I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...Its Massie so far 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT That would be a very nice first 3rds in my opinion.. Its actually one of the better mocks i've seen, for the prospects i'm interested in... </P>


Whats taking so long for the next team to pick in RD 3? They've been on Lions pick of Jared crick in RD 3 forever..</P>

Redeyejedi
03-05-2012, 09:52 PM
*Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion..* I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...Its Massie so far 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT That would be a very nice first 3rds in my opinion..** Its actually one of the better mocks i've seen, for the prospects i'm interested in... </P>


Whats taking so long for the next team to pick in RD 3? They've been on Lions pick of Jared crick in RD 3 forever..</P>Its done the guy hasnt updated it yet. It took forever
88 Osweiler Broncos
89-Josh Norman, Dolphins
90-Brandon Thompson, Saints
91-Robert Turbin Steelers
92-Malik Jackson Lions
93. Lepnard Johnson Lions
94 Dwight Bentley Pats
95 Bobby Massie Giants

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 10:23 PM
Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion.. I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...Its Massie so far 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT That would be a very nice first 3rds in my opinion.. Its actually one of the better mocks i've seen, for the prospects i'm interested in... </P>


Whats taking so long for the next team to pick in RD 3? They've been on Lions pick of Jared crick in RD 3 forever..</P>


Its done the guy hasnt updated it yet. It took forever 88 Osweiler Broncos 89-Josh Norman, Dolphins 90-Brandon Thompson, Saints 91-Robert Turbin Steelers 92-Malik Jackson Lions 93. Lepnard Johnson Lions 94 Dwight Bentley Pats 95 Bobby Massie Giants Nice! Keep posting every 10picks or so, as i'm very interested in the results.. Are u going 7rds? I enjoy putting my 2cents in...</P>


Bernard PIerce is still out there, but i doubt he makes it to u in RD 4.. Also, u still got Nigel Bradham, Audie Cole, Juron Criner, Demario Davis, Dajohn Harris, Tyrone Crawford, Marvin Jones, Jarius Wright, Aj Jenkins, David Molk, Vick Ballard, Ryan Broyles(value, if gets over injury, u got a steal), and Derek Wolfe.. </P>


my big board would be something like this(all thoguh i could be forgetting someone..</P>


1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


2. Audie Cole LB Nc State</P>


3. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


4. Demario Davis LB Ark St</P>


5. Nigel Bradham LB Fla St</P>


6. Jarius Wright WR Ark</P>


7. Derek Wolfe DT Cincy</P>


8. Ryan Broyles WR OU</P>


9. Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St</P>


10. Aj Jenkins WR Illinois</P>


</P>

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 10:24 PM
whoops, drop everyone after number 2 down a spot, as Juron Criner would be 2 on my big board.

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 10:42 PM
Here is Tony Paulines Top 33 that he gets from info from NFL Scouts. Frickin Poe is #3. I havent seen much of Poe but what I have he plays nowhere near his measurements. 1. Andrew Luck – QB – Stanford 2. Robert Griffin III – QB – Baylor 3. Dontari Poe – NT – Memphis 4. Melvin Ingram – OLB – South Carolina 5. Trent Richardson – RB – Alabama 6. Matt Kalil – OT – USC 7. Justin Blackmon – WR – Oklahoma State 8. Morris Claiborne – CB – LSU 9. Fletcher Cox – DT – Mississippi State 10. Quinton Coples – DE – North Carolina 11. David DeCastro – OG – Stanford 12. Dre’ Kirkpatrick – CB – Alabama 13. Michael Brockers – DT – LSU 14. Jonathan Martin – OT – Stanford 15. Michael Floyd – WR – Notre Dame 16. Cordy Glenn – OL – Georgia 17. Devon Still – DT – Penn State 18. Whitney Mercilus – DE – Illinois 19. Coby Fleener – TE – Stanford 20. Nick Perry – DE – USC 21. Luke Kuechly – LB – Boston College 22. Kevin Zeitler – OG – Wisconsin 23. Ryan Tannehill – QB – Texas A&amp;M 24. Doug Martin – RB – Boise State 25. Jerel Worthy – DT – Michigan State 26. Bobby Wagner – LB – Utah State 27. Stephon Gilmore – CB – South Carolina 28. Kendall Wright – WR – Baylor 29. Dwayne Allen – TE – Clemson 30. Donta Hightower – LB – Alabama 31. Kendall Reyes – DT – UConn 32. Stephen Hill – WR - Georgia Tech 33. Riley Reiff – OG – Iowa Well, alot of these are guys i pegged awhile back as guys i raved about or expected to be risers.. So obviously i agree with alot of it. </P>


I totally understand Doug Martin, as hes a special kinda RB in my opinion, and i feel is little risk... Fletcher Cox has been one of a handful of guys i really rave about.. Dwayne Allen dosen't surprise me, even with his combine, i still expect him to be stellar, and u can see it in his on field play, that hes more of a leaper and gets off the line faster type TE then it showed at the combine.. Kendall Reyes is a guy i thought would rise, and everyone knows how i feel about Mercilus, and Wagner for that matter...</P>


I don't agree with Worthy(all though i could see the Giants being heavily intersted with him at last pick rd 1, and Tannehill i think is along way away or just isn't as good as we thought, and Kuechly should be in the 10-15range.. No surprise about Cordy Glenn after his combine...</P>

Neverend
03-05-2012, 11:24 PM
Poe at 3rd overall is completely ridiculous. Way, way too raw and unproductive to be that high

Poe seems like a more dynamic version of Linval Joseph, who was getting some hype before the draft going late into the first round but eventually was drafted in the middle of the second round. No way that guy should be in mccoy/suh range imo

nycsportzfan
03-05-2012, 11:32 PM
Poe at 3rd overall is completely ridiculous. Way, way too raw and unproductive to be that high Poe seems like a more dynamic version of Linval Joseph, who was getting some hype before the draft going late into the first round but eventually was drafted in the middle of the second round. No way that guy should be in mccoy/suh range imo The thing POE"s got going for him is being able to move well at that size... Theres just a monsterus market for NT's his size that can also move, with so few of em around... Therefore hes gonna go way higher then his on field production would have him going, just on pure size and ability to move..

Neverend
03-05-2012, 11:57 PM
Poe at 3rd overall is completely ridiculous. Way, way too raw and unproductive to be that high Poe seems like a more dynamic version of Linval Joseph, who was getting some hype before the draft going late into the first round but eventually was drafted in the middle of the second round. No way that guy should be in mccoy/suh range imo The thing POE"s got going for him is being able to move well at that size... Theres just a monsterus market for* NT's his size that can also move, with so few of em around... Therefore hes gonna go way higher then his on field production would have him going, just on pure size and ability to move..

Yeah, I agree and I can see why. Drafting him in the top 10 would be pretty risky. I think its safer he goes to a team in the 20s where he can sit behind a veteran or be under a good coaching staff and organization while he develops his technique. Thats me personally.. but hes probably going to go top 12

Redeyejedi
03-06-2012, 12:06 AM
*Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion..* I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...Its Massie so far 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT That would be a very nice first 3rds in my opinion..** Its actually one of the better mocks i've seen, for the prospects i'm interested in... </P>


Whats taking so long for the next team to pick in RD 3? They've been on Lions pick of Jared crick in RD 3 forever..</P>


Its done the guy hasnt updated it yet. It took forever 88 Osweiler Broncos 89-Josh Norman, Dolphins 90-Brandon Thompson, Saints 91-Robert Turbin Steelers 92-Malik Jackson Lions 93. Lepnard Johnson Lions 94 Dwight Bentley Pats 95 Bobby Massie Giants* Nice! Keep posting every 10picks or so, as i'm very interested in the results.. Are u going 7rds?** I enjoy putting my 2cents in...</P>


Bernard PIerce is still out there, but i doubt he makes it to u in RD 4..* Also,* u still got Nigel Bradham, Audie Cole, Juron Criner, Demario Davis, Dajohn Harris, Tyrone Crawford, Marvin Jones, Jarius Wright, Aj Jenkins, David Molk, Vick Ballard, Ryan Broyles(value, if gets over injury, u got a steal), and Derek Wolfe.. </P>


my big board would be something like this(all thoguh i could be forgetting someone..</P>


1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


2. Audie Cole LB Nc State</P>


3. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


4. Demario Davis LB Ark St</P>


5. Nigel Bradham LB Fla St</P>


6. Jarius Wright WR Ark</P>


7. Derek Wolfe DT Cincy</P>


8. Ryan Broyles WR OU</P>


9. Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St</P>


10. Aj Jenkins WR Illinois</P>


*</P>Im hoping to get either a RB WR or LB with the next pick

nycsportzfan
03-06-2012, 05:50 AM
Poe at 3rd overall is completely ridiculous. Way, way too raw and unproductive to be that high Poe seems like a more dynamic version of Linval Joseph, who was getting some hype before the draft going late into the first round but eventually was drafted in the middle of the second round. No way that guy should be in mccoy/suh range imo The thing POE"s got going for him is being able to move well at that size... Theres just a monsterus market for NT's his size that can also move, with so few of em around... Therefore hes gonna go way higher then his on field production would have him going, just on pure size and ability to move.. Yeah, I agree and I can see why. Drafting him in the top 10 would be pretty risky. I think its safer he goes to a team in the 20s where he can sit behind a veteran or be under a good coaching staff and organization while he develops his technique. Thats me personally.. but hes probably going to go top 12 Oh, i totally agree.. I figured people would learn after the Tyson jackson debacle, as hes been nowhere near the 3rd overall pick good in his career, but again, guys with big mamouth size that can move are always gonna be in ridiculous demand with so few of em around... I'm happy POE is going earlier now, because it gives us a chance to have someone else really good drop down and who knows, possibly trade up to get, or someone drops right to us...

nycsportzfan
03-06-2012, 05:53 AM
Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion.. I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...Its Massie so far 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT That would be a very nice first 3rds in my opinion.. Its actually one of the better mocks i've seen, for the prospects i'm interested in... </P>


Whats taking so long for the next team to pick in RD 3? They've been on Lions pick of Jared crick in RD 3 forever..</P>


Its done the guy hasnt updated it yet. It took forever 88 Osweiler Broncos 89-Josh Norman, Dolphins 90-Brandon Thompson, Saints 91-Robert Turbin Steelers 92-Malik Jackson Lions 93. Lepnard Johnson Lions 94 Dwight Bentley Pats 95 Bobby Massie Giants Nice! Keep posting every 10picks or so, as i'm very interested in the results.. Are u going 7rds? I enjoy putting my 2cents in...</P>


Bernard PIerce is still out there, but i doubt he makes it to u in RD 4.. Also, u still got Nigel Bradham, Audie Cole, Juron Criner, Demario Davis, Dajohn Harris, Tyrone Crawford, Marvin Jones, Jarius Wright, Aj Jenkins, David Molk, Vick Ballard, Ryan Broyles(value, if gets over injury, u got a steal), and Derek Wolfe.. </P>


my big board would be something like this(all thoguh i could be forgetting someone..</P>


1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


2. Audie Cole LB Nc State</P>


3. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


4. Demario Davis LB Ark St</P>


5. Nigel Bradham LB Fla St</P>


6. Jarius Wright WR Ark</P>


7. Derek Wolfe DT Cincy</P>


8. Ryan Broyles WR OU</P>


9. Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St</P>


10. Aj Jenkins WR Illinois</P>


</P>Im hoping to get either a RB WR or LB with the next pick I gotta feeling your gonna go Jarius Wright.. I know ur draft ways pretty well, and he seems like a guy u would be interested in in RD 4... Just a hunch though, as he could also be off the board... I'd also have DT and DE on my radar though, with guys like ROcky Bernard being a FA, and OSI and Tuck being oldish, and it playing such a big part in the GIANTS success.. Dajohn Harris, Derek Wolfe, Tyrone Crawford are solid value in RD 4...