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Redeyejedi
03-06-2012, 07:56 AM
*Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion..* I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...Its Massie so far 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT That would be a very nice first 3rds in my opinion..** Its actually one of the better mocks i've seen, for the prospects i'm interested in... </P>


Whats taking so long for the next team to pick in RD 3? They've been on Lions pick of Jared crick in RD 3 forever..</P>


Its done the guy hasnt updated it yet. It took forever 88 Osweiler Broncos 89-Josh Norman, Dolphins 90-Brandon Thompson, Saints 91-Robert Turbin Steelers 92-Malik Jackson Lions 93. Lepnard Johnson Lions 94 Dwight Bentley Pats 95 Bobby Massie Giants* Nice! Keep posting every 10picks or so, as i'm very interested in the results.. Are u going 7rds?** I enjoy putting my 2cents in...</P>


Bernard PIerce is still out there, but i doubt he makes it to u in RD 4..* Also,* u still got Nigel Bradham, Audie Cole, Juron Criner, Demario Davis, Dajohn Harris, Tyrone Crawford, Marvin Jones, Jarius Wright, Aj Jenkins, David Molk, Vick Ballard, Ryan Broyles(value, if gets over injury, u got a steal), and Derek Wolfe.. </P>


my big board would be something like this(all thoguh i could be forgetting someone..</P>


1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


2. Audie Cole LB Nc State</P>


3. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


4. Demario Davis LB Ark St</P>


5. Nigel Bradham LB Fla St</P>


6. Jarius Wright WR Ark</P>


7. Derek Wolfe DT Cincy</P>


8. Ryan Broyles WR OU</P>


9. Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St</P>


10. Aj Jenkins WR Illinois</P>


*</P>Im hoping to get either a RB WR or LB with the next pick* I gotta feeling your gonna go Jarius Wright.. I know ur draft ways pretty well, and he seems like a guy u would be interested in in RD 4...* Just a hunch though, as he could also be off the board...* I'd also have DT and DE on my radar though, with guys like ROcky Bernard being a FA, and OSI and Tuck being oldish, and it playing such a big part in the GIANTS success.. Dajohn Harris, Derek Wolfe, Tyrone Crawford are solid value in RD 4... I wish I saw the trade offer at the end of the second round. I would of moved down ang otten the extra 4th. The one guy that does also the sleeper small school prospects Josh B. Has been trading down the whole draft. I think he has like 8 picks*from the 4-6. Wright is certainly a guy im looking at. Dajohn Harris wouldnt be a bad get either. Versatile big athletic guy.Pierce I think will be gone

Redeyejedi
03-06-2012, 10:43 AM
*Bobbie Massie is great Value at the end of RD 3.. I'd take him! Also, Brandon Thompson is abum, in my opinion..* I'd consider Audie Cole for us if hes out there still, as well...Its Massie so far 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT That would be a very nice first 3rds in my opinion..** Its actually one of the better mocks i've seen, for the prospects i'm interested in... </P>


Whats taking so long for the next team to pick in RD 3? They've been on Lions pick of Jared crick in RD 3 forever..</P>


Its done the guy hasnt updated it yet. It took forever 88 Osweiler Broncos 89-Josh Norman, Dolphins 90-Brandon Thompson, Saints 91-Robert Turbin Steelers 92-Malik Jackson Lions 93. Lepnard Johnson Lions 94 Dwight Bentley Pats 95 Bobby Massie Giants* Nice! Keep posting every 10picks or so, as i'm very interested in the results.. Are u going 7rds?** I enjoy putting my 2cents in...</P>


Bernard PIerce is still out there, but i doubt he makes it to u in RD 4..* Also,* u still got Nigel Bradham, Audie Cole, Juron Criner, Demario Davis, Dajohn Harris, Tyrone Crawford, Marvin Jones, Jarius Wright, Aj Jenkins, David Molk, Vick Ballard, Ryan Broyles(value, if gets over injury, u got a steal), and Derek Wolfe.. </P>


my big board would be something like this(all thoguh i could be forgetting someone..</P>


1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


2. Audie Cole LB Nc State</P>


3. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


4. Demario Davis LB Ark St</P>


5. Nigel Bradham LB Fla St</P>


6. Jarius Wright WR Ark</P>


7. Derek Wolfe DT Cincy</P>


8. Ryan Broyles WR OU</P>


9. Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St</P>


10. Aj Jenkins WR Illinois</P>


*</P>Im hoping to get either a RB WR or LB with the next pick* I gotta feeling your gonna go Jarius Wright.. I know ur draft ways pretty well, and he seems like a guy u would be interested in in RD 4...* Just a hunch though, as he could also be off the board...* I'd also have DT and DE on my radar though, with guys like ROcky Bernard being a FA, and OSI and Tuck being oldish, and it playing such a big part in the GIANTS success.. Dajohn Harris, Derek Wolfe, Tyrone Crawford are solid value in RD 4...Jarius Wright is my highest graded guy left but Im looking for an outside guy. Dajohn Harris is up there

Jarius Wright
Dajohn Harris
Audie Cole
Keenan Robinson
Nigel Bradham
James Michael Johnson

Plenty of LB's left

I might just take Bernard Pierce though if I get the chance because he is my highest rated RB and after him I have a drop off.

Raptor22
03-06-2012, 11:17 AM
After thinking about it for a little bit, I'm shocked how much sense Stephen Hill to the Broncos makes.

1) he's an offensive threat. They need one.
2) Hill comes from a run-heavy triple option offense. The Broncos run that offense.
3) he's a got a huge catching radius. Tebow needs one.
4) Hill primarily ran deep routes. The Broncos primarily throw deep routes.
5) the Broncos need receivers who can run block. Hill is probably the 2nd best run blocking WR in the draft.

There's more, but I'm on my phone, and long posts are annoying. Basically, if there's any team for whom Hill is worth a 1st round pick, IMO, its Denver.

Redeyejedi
03-06-2012, 11:54 AM
After thinking about it for a little bit, I'm shocked how much sense Stephen Hill to the Broncos makes.

1) he's an offensive threat. They need one.
2) Hill comes from a run-heavy triple option offense. The Broncos run that offense.
3) he's a got a huge catching radius. Tebow needs one.
4) Hill primarily ran deep routes. The Broncos primarily throw deep routes.
5) the Broncos need receivers who can run block. Hill is probably the 2nd best run blocking WR in the draft.

There's more, but I'm on my phone, and long posts are annoying. Basically, if there's any team for whom Hill is worth 1st round pick, IMO, its Denver. and there other WR Demetrius Thomas came from the same offense

Redeyejedi
03-06-2012, 02:32 PM
So Cole got picked 2 picks before me. So far the Draft is

1. Coby Fleener TE

2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S

3. Bobby Massie OT

4. Dajohn Harris DT

When we do the 1 after FA I have an idea who these guys like now and will be able to trade around to get guys

nycsportzfan
03-06-2012, 04:34 PM
So Cole got picked 2 picks before me. So far the Draft is 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT 4. Dajohn Harris DT When we do the 1 after FA I have an idea who these guys like now and will be able to trade around to get guys Very nice draft so far my friend.. Very nice indeed.. I had Harris as my 3rd guy on my big board when your 4th rd began, so obviously i really like the pick... I'd love to see the whole 4th rd, hopefully its posted..

nycsportzfan
03-06-2012, 04:38 PM
So Cole got picked 2 picks before me. So far the Draft is 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT 4. Dajohn Harris DT When we do the 1 after FA I have an idea who these guys like now and will be able to trade around to get guys I see Ryan Broyles is still available.. I would have him ranked pretty high on my big board, as hes got great value if he lasts to end of RD 5, especially the way your drafts playing out... Tyrone Crawford would make a great future replacement for Tuck as well, if hes still on the board..

Redeyejedi
03-06-2012, 10:57 PM
So Cole got picked 2 picks before me. So far the Draft is 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT 4. Dajohn Harris DT When we do the 1 after FA I have an idea who these guys like now and will be able to trade around to get guys* I see Ryan Broyles is still available.. I would have him ranked pretty high on my big board, as hes got great value if he lasts to end of RD 5, especially the way your drafts playing out... Tyrone Crawford would make a great future replacement for Tuck as well, if hes still on the board..Got picked
5th Round pick Nigel Bradham FSU LB. Thought about James Michael Johnson but Bradham will be a demon on special teams

nycsportzfan
03-07-2012, 03:27 AM
So Cole got picked 2 picks before me. So far the Draft is 1. Coby Fleener TE 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/S 3. Bobby Massie OT 4. Dajohn Harris DT When we do the 1 after FA I have an idea who these guys like now and will be able to trade around to get guys I see Ryan Broyles is still available.. I would have him ranked pretty high on my big board, as hes got great value if he lasts to end of RD 5, especially the way your drafts playing out... Tyrone Crawford would make a great future replacement for Tuck as well, if hes still on the board..Got picked 5th Round pick Nigel Bradham FSU LB. Thought about James Michael Johnson but Bradham will be a demon on special teams Nice Selection.. Maybe Danny Coale WR Va Tech, Davin Meggett RB Maryland, Vick ballard RB Miss St, Greg Childs WR Ark, Bj Cunningham WR Mich St, Terrence Ganaway RB Baylor, Jeff Fuller WR A&amp;M, Levy Ad**** OT/G Ok St, Gerrell Robinson WR Arz St, Eric Page WR Toledo, Jordan White WR W. Mich, Asa Jackson CB Cal Poly, Ryan Steed CB Furman, Frank Alexander DE Oklahoma, Scott Solomon DE Rice for RD 6??

nycsportzfan
03-07-2012, 03:29 AM
Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</P>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</P>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</P>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</P>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</P>

nycsportzfan
03-07-2012, 04:18 AM
Greg Childs killed it at his proday! Ran a sub 4.5 and had a 40.5 inch vert at 6ft 3in 219! Dudes very underrated due to having a injury ravaged season where he didn't get much production... I'm telling ya, if hes on the board in the RD 5-7 area, hes gonna be tough to pass on...

nycsportzfan
03-07-2012, 04:32 AM
welp, looks like Whitney Mercilus impressed yet again, this time at his proday.. The first bigtime prospect to actually participate in the on field drills at his proday which again speaks volumes to the kids confidence in his abilitys, as he showed he feels capable of doing just as well again in the drills, as he all ready did pretty dang good at the combine... This kids insane just as i've been saying and is only rising and rising.. Hes appealing to all teams, both 3/4 and 4/3..</P>


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Illinois defensive end <FONT color=#3b5998>Whitney Mercilus </FONT> (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1689559)became the first top prospect to participate in agility tests during the <FONT color=#3b5998>Pro Day season</FONT> (http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/34809158), running an impressive 4.38-second short shuttle and a 7.03-second three-cone drill, <FONT color=#3b5998>according to NFL.com</FONT> (http://blogs.nfl.com/category/pro-days/).

One of 18 prospects to work out in front of representatives from all 32 NFL teams for Tuesday's indoor workout on field turf, Mercilus is trying to prove he can transition to edge rusher in a 3-4 scheme if asked. Rated as the No. 3 defensive end prospect and No. 26 overall by NFLDraftScout.com, Mercilus measured in at 6-3 7/8, 258 pounds.

Offensive tackle <FONT color=#3b5998>Jeff Allen</FONT> (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1619955), a rising prospect looking to crack the top three rounds, stood on his workout numbers from the Scouting Combine, although he did run a 4.78 short shuttle and 7.57 three-cone drill.

<FONT color=#3b5998>A.J. Jenkins </FONT> (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1630897)is the 18th-rated wide receiver by NFLDraftScout.com. He ran a 4.06 short shuttle and a 6.73 three-cone drill.

Cornerback Tavon Wilson is a fringe draft prospect who ran 4.5 and 4.55-second 40-yard dashes to go along with a 32-inch vertical jump, 10"4' brad jump, 4.16 short shuttle, 7.04 three-cone drill and bench pressed 225 pounds 17 times.

But there was no doubt the scouts were on hand primarily to take in Mercilus' workout. He's one of the first-round's biggest enigmas. After two mediocre season's at Illinois, he busted out as the nation's top defensive end with 16 sacks, nine forced fumbles and a whopping 22.5 tackles for loss.

"I just have a knack for it," he said at the Combine, where he ran a 4.68 40, fourth-best among defensive linemen in attendance. "Throughout the game I was able to watch the quarterback's movements and just see him open up and then I just go in there and just knock it away."

He alsobenched 225 pounds 27 times, had a 32-inch vertical jump, a 118-inch broad jump, a 7.17 three-cone drill and a 4.53 in the short shuttle in Indianapolis.

Scouts gush a list of positives traits, including quickness, agility, strength, instincts, condition, attitude ... and he is just beginning to mature and could be a great outside linebacker. Reaching for comparisons, they mention names like Simeon Rice, Dwight Freeney, Richard Dent, and even the great Reggie White.

The U.S. born son of parents who emigrated from Haiti in the 1980s, Mercilus played mostly soccer until high school. His 2011 season had an auspicious beginning when lost the tip of his left index finger last spring in a weight-room accident. Teammates were shocked when he light-heartedly dismissed the injury as only a bother when he played the keyboard or tried to pick up coins.</P></DIV></DIV>

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 08:45 AM
Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</p>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</p>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</p>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</p>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</p>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</p><font size="2">No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</font>

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 08:51 AM
Greg Childs killed it at his proday! Ran a sub 4.5 and had a 40.5 inch vert at 6ft 3in 219! Dudes very underrated due to having a injury ravaged season where he didn't get much production... I'm telling ya, if hes on the board in the RD 5-7 area, hes gonna be tough to pass on...<font size="2">Yes he did, Childs is a solid prospect. Pretty sure he had Ryan Mallett throwing him the ball in positional drills. Great pro day for Childs!</font>

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 08:53 AM
Alshon Jeffrey would be awesome,Poe and Decastro<font size="2">Forget about Poe and Decastro being available at 32. </font>

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 09:03 AM
<font size="2">Joe Adams didn't seem to help himself any on his Pro Day. He ran a 4.55 at the combine, and ran a 4.55 at his Pro Day. I really thought Adams was much faster than that. NflDraftScout.com has all 3 (Wright, Adams, and Childs) Arkansas receivers as day 3 picks. </font>

Redeyejedi
03-07-2012, 09:06 AM
*Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</p>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</p>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</p>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</p>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</p>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</p><font size="2">No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</font>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.

I wanted a RB but people kept taking them a little early I think. Im hoping to nab Vick Ballard in the 6th put it probably wont happen.
In the 2nd round Polk,James,Pead,Turbin, and Hillman went. I was eyeing Terrance Gannawy and Tauren Poole for the 6th but both got picked l in the 5th.

Vick Ballard
Cyrus Gray
Marc Tyler
Davin Megget

are options


at WR I was upset TJ Graham got picked. Im looking at Greg Childs and Gerrel Robinson

If I end up with Greg Childs,Vick Ballard or Cyrus Gray in the 6th I will be very happy

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 09:34 AM
Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</p>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</p>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</p>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</p>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</p>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</p><font size="2">No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</font>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.<font size="2">Yeah, this mock looks really good, it fills need and you're getting really great value at the same time. Where are rounds 6 and 7? We'll know about the comp picks at the end of the month, right?</font>

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 09:48 AM
<font size="2">Apparently Dre Kirkpatrick didn't interview well at all at the combine. Not really surprising though, after watching him talk on NSD, he didn't appear to be the sharpest to say the least. He's a great DB and hell of a football player though, he should excell in the NFL whether it be at CB or S. </font>

Redeyejedi
03-07-2012, 09:48 AM
*Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</p>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</p>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</p>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</p>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</p>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</p><font size="2">No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</font>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.<font size="2">Yeah, this mock looks really good, it fills need and you're getting really great value at the same time. Where are rounds 6 and 7? We'll know about the comp picks at the end of the month, right?</font>
6 and 7 are today no Comp picks yet. The one after FA will have them

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 09:57 AM
Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</p>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</p>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</p>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</p>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</p>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</p><font size="2">No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</font>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.<font size="2">Yeah, this mock looks really good, it fills need and you're getting really great value at the same time. Where are rounds 6 and 7? We'll know about the comp picks at the end of the month, right?</font>
6 and 7 are today no Comp picks yet. The one after FA will have them<font size="2">Any good RB's still left on the board? Maybe another CB to play in the slot for nickel/dime situations? This draft class seems to be deep in those two positions. What round did "Touchdown" Tommy Streeter go in?</font>

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 10:08 AM
<h4><font size="4">Exclusive Interview w/ Josh Robinson, UCF (http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/3/1/2837882/flying-up-the-boards-exclusive-interview-w-josh-robinson-ucf)</font></h4>


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heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 10:20 AM
<font size="2">Has anyone heard of Laron Scott, Georgia Southern, DB/KR? He's an undersized DB but this is the first I've seen of him. Laron Scott 95 Yard Kickoff Return for a TD (via redkees5 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=sqzUS12o25k)) Had 18 Pass Break Ups, 3 Interceptions, 53 tackles, and 1040 Kick Return Yards with 2 touchdowns. Most likely go undrafted like former Giants Kevin Dockery and Bruce Johnson. </font>

critters
03-07-2012, 10:24 AM
Vick Ballard lasted til the 6th? Does anyone watch SEC football?!

Redeyejedi
03-07-2012, 11:04 AM
*Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</p>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</p>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</p>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</p>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</p>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</p><font size="2">No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</font>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.<font size="2">Yeah, this mock looks really good, it fills need and you're getting really great value at the same time. Where are rounds 6 and 7? We'll know about the comp picks at the end of the month, right?</font>
6 and 7 are today no Comp picks yet. The one after FA will have them<font size="2">Any good RB's still left on the board? Maybe another CB to play in the slot for nickel/dime situations? This draft class seems to be deep in those two positions. What round did "Touchdown" Tommy Streeter go in?</font>

Here it is if u want to look

http://nfldraftwizard.com/

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 03:34 PM
<h4>Auburn Pro Day Results</h4> <table><thead> <tr> <th>Player</th> <th>Ht.</th> <th>Wt.</th> <th>40 Yd</th> <th>Vertical</th> <th>Long jump</th> <th>60 Yd. shuttle</th> <th>225 bench</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="last"> <td>Chandler Brooks, PK</td> <td>5-11 3/8</td> <td>178</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Wes Byrum, PK</td> <td>6-1 3/8</td> <td>220</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Eltoro Freeman, LB</td> <td>5-10 1/2</td> <td>236</td> <td>4.70/4.82</td> <td>36.5"</td> <td>9'6"/9'11 1/2"</td> <td>11.74</td> <td>28</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Josh Harris, DS</td> <td>6-0 7/8</td> <td>249</td> <td>4.95/4.85</td> <td>30"/31"</td> <td>9'7"/9'11 1/2"</td> <td>11.74</td> <td>16</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Wes Holland, RB</td> <td>5-10</td> <td>211</td> <td>4.71/4.83</td> <td>29.5"</td> <td>9'4"/9'8"</td> <td>12.29</td> <td>19</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Brandon Mosley, OL</td> <td>6-5 1/2</td> <td>311</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Eric Smith, FB</td> <td>5-9 1/2</td> <td>246</td> <td>4.96/4.99</td> <td>26"</td> <td>8'9"/8'10"</td> <td>12.22</td> <td>13</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Neiko Thorpe, DB</td> <td>6-0 1/4</td> <td>198</td> <td>4.42/4.40</td> <td>37"/38"</td> <td>11'5"/11'4"</td> <td>11.87*</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Barrett Trotter, QB</td> <td>6-0 7/8</td> <td>215</td> <td>4.95/4.82</td> <td>32.5"/34"</td> <td>9'8"/9'7 1/2"</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Jay Wisner, WR</td> <td>5-11 1/4</td> <td>192</td> <td>4.68/4.68</td> <td>34.5"/36"</td> <td>9'11"/10'3"</td> <td>11.46</td> <td>11</td> </tr><tr class="last"> <td colspan="8">* Slipped during the shuttle.</td></tr></tbody></table>

Redeyejedi
03-07-2012, 04:05 PM
Through 6 Rounds of the NFLDraftWizard.com Mock

1.Coby Fleener TE Stanford

2.Trumaine Johnson CB/s

3.Bobby Massie OT Mississippi

4. Dajohn Harris DT USC

5. Nigel Bradham LB FSU

6. Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 04:20 PM
<font size="2">Here's is a real good video even though it's been out for a while. Undrafted RB from a couple years back from East Carolina. Gilbride has ties to that program, he should bring this kid in for a workout.</font>
<h3>How Bad Do You Want It? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X38PCf7kao)</h3>

heavyhitter
03-07-2012, 04:24 PM
Through 6 Rounds of the NFLDraftWizard.com Mock

1.Coby Fleener TE Stanford

2.Trumaine Johnson CB/s

3.Bobby Massie OT Mississippi

4. Dajohn Harris DT USC

5. Nigel Bradham LB FSU

6. Vick Ballard RB Mississippi State<font size="2">I already give this mock an A and I haven't even seen the 7th or whoever the comp picks may be. </font>

Redeyejedi
03-07-2012, 04:41 PM
Just posted on twitter that Dajohn Harris has a hole in his heart. Probably wont get drafted at all. Wish i knew that yesterday. I really think he is underrated. Perfect for the giants versatile enough to play anywhere inside

bLuereverie
03-07-2012, 05:11 PM
Just posted on twitter that Dajohn Harris has a hole in his heart. Probably wont get drafted at all. Wish i knew that yesterday. I really think he is underrated. Perfect for the giants versatile enough to play anywhere inside

Depends on how bad it is. I have the same condition and have been given the green light to run marathons. He'll just go through some heavy testing.

nycsportzfan
03-07-2012, 06:34 PM
Vick Ballard lasted til the 6th? Does anyone watch SEC football?!
Thats nothing.. I seen some crazy ones on there, but then again, there will be some crazy ones come draft day as well.. Juron Criner to the jets mid 4th was crazy.. No way he lasts even close to that.. But its still really cool, and i like following it...

Redeyejedi
03-07-2012, 06:39 PM
Vick Ballard lasted til the 6th? Does anyone watch SEC football?!
* Thats nothing.. I seen some crazy ones on there, but then again, there will be some crazy ones come draft day as well..* Juron Criner to the jets mid 4th was crazy..* No way he lasts even close to that.. But its still really cool, and i like following it...Yeah still got 32 people from draft sites and team Blogs picking the players they think that fit their team. Guys fall all the time. How many would of guessed the Giants getting Greg Jones in the 6th . A lot of the Giants picks Iast year were considered steals same thing here.
I hope that Tyrone Crawford Falls to me. I think people just forgot about him.

nycsportzfan
03-07-2012, 06:44 PM
Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</P>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</P>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</P>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</P>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</P>


<FONT size=2>No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</FONT>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.<FONT size=2>Yeah, this mock looks really good, it fills need and you're getting really great value at the same time. Where are rounds 6 and 7? We'll know about the comp picks at the end of the month, right?</FONT>
6 and 7 are today no Comp picks yet. The one after FA will have them<FONT size=2>Any good RB's still left on the board? Maybe another CB to play in the slot for nickel/dime situations? This draft class seems to be deep in those two positions. What round did "Touchdown" Tommy Streeter go in?</FONT>
Here it is if u want to look http://nfldraftwizard.com/ That stinks about Dajohn Harris!!! He was pretty solid Value end of RD 4, where u got em redeye... Also, Vick Ballard right before RD 7 is solid value as well.. I love your draft if we take out the news we found out about Harris.. </P>


Theres still some good players, as this draft is ridiculously deep.. Gerrell Robinson, Danny Coale, Tim Benford, Derek Moye, Lavon Brazill, and Jordan White are there at WR... Scott Solomon is still there at DE... Also, William Vlachos and Garth Gerhart are a couple of good Centers, if your getting em in RD 7... </P>

nycsportzfan
03-07-2012, 06:51 PM
Vick Ballard lasted til the 6th? Does anyone watch SEC football?!
Thats nothing.. I seen some crazy ones on there, but then again, there will be some crazy ones come draft day as well.. Juron Criner to the jets mid 4th was crazy.. No way he lasts even close to that.. But its still really cool, and i like following it...Yeah still got 32 people from draft sites and team Blogs picking the players they think that fit their team. Guys fall all the time. How many would of guessed the Giants getting Greg Jones in the 6th . A lot of the Giants picks Iast year were considered steals same thing here. I hope that Tyrone Crawford Falls to me. I think people just forgot about him. Ya, i just assumed Ty Crawford was gone! He'd be awesome value in RD 7!! ANd your right on about Greg Jones and plenty of other guys that fall in every draft, as teams get alot of players that specifcally fit there teams.. My big board for your rd 7 would be something like this</P>


1. Tyrone Crawford DE Boise St</P>


2. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think hed fit Giants like a glove</P>


3. Gerrell Robinson WR Arz St</P>


4. Tim Benford Tenn St- nice upside player</P>


5. William Vlachos C Bama- another interior lineman is always nice to have</P>


6. Scott Solomon DE Rice- A top sleeper of mine, had very good combine</P>


7. William Vlachos C Bama- Comes from good program, and we could use interior lineman</P>


8. Lavon Brazill WR Ohio U- Productive player who has some skills</P>


9. Garth Gerhart C Arz St- One of my biggest C sleepers..</P>


10. Sean Richardson SS Vanderbilt- In the box safety with size, who has some appeal..</P>


</P>


Just missed- Sean Cattouse SS Cal, Chandler Harnish QB No Ill</P>

Redeyejedi
03-07-2012, 06:53 PM
Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</P>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</P>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</P>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</P>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</P>


<FONT size=2>No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</FONT>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.<FONT size=2>Yeah, this mock looks really good, it fills need and you're getting really great value at the same time. Where are rounds 6 and 7? We'll know about the comp picks at the end of the month, right?</FONT>
6 and 7 are today no Comp picks yet. The one after FA will have them<FONT size=2>Any good RB's still left on the board? Maybe another CB to play in the slot for nickel/dime situations? This draft class seems to be deep in those two positions. What round did "Touchdown" Tommy Streeter go in?</FONT>
Here it is if u want to look http://nfldraftwizard.com/ That stinks about Dajohn Harris!!! He was pretty solid Value end of RD 4, where u got em redeye... Also, Vick Ballard right before RD 7 is solid value as well.. I love your draft if we take out the news we found out about Harris.. </P>


Theres still some good players, as this draft is ridiculously deep.. Gerrell Robinson, Danny Coale, Tim Benford, Derek Moye, Lavon Brazill, and Jordan White are there at WR... Scott Solomon is still there at DE... Also, William Vlachos and Garth Gerhart are a couple of good Centers, if your getting em in RD 7... </P>


</P>


Yeah the pick is Tyrone Crawford until he gets taken.Was thinking QB actually Chandler Harnish,Ryan Lindley, Austin Davis,Case Keenum there all still on the board. Donte Paige Moss even crossed my mind</P>

nycsportzfan
03-07-2012, 07:05 PM
Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</P>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</P>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</P>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</P>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</P>


<FONT size=2>No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</FONT>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.<FONT size=2>Yeah, this mock looks really good, it fills need and you're getting really great value at the same time. Where are rounds 6 and 7? We'll know about the comp picks at the end of the month, right?</FONT>
6 and 7 are today no Comp picks yet. The one after FA will have them<FONT size=2>Any good RB's still left on the board? Maybe another CB to play in the slot for nickel/dime situations? This draft class seems to be deep in those two positions. What round did "Touchdown" Tommy Streeter go in?</FONT>
Here it is if u want to look http://nfldraftwizard.com/ That stinks about Dajohn Harris!!! He was pretty solid Value end of RD 4, where u got em redeye... Also, Vick Ballard right before RD 7 is solid value as well.. I love your draft if we take out the news we found out about Harris.. </P>


Theres still some good players, as this draft is ridiculously deep.. Gerrell Robinson, Danny Coale, Tim Benford, Derek Moye, Lavon Brazill, and Jordan White are there at WR... Scott Solomon is still there at DE... Also, William Vlachos and Garth Gerhart are a couple of good Centers, if your getting em in RD 7... </P>


</P>


Yeah the pick is Tyrone Crawford until he gets taken.Was thinking QB actually Chandler Harnish,Ryan Lindley, Austin Davis,Case Keenum there all still on the board. Donte Paige Moss even crossed my mind</P>


Ya, Tyrone Crawford has to be the pick if hes there.. Hes got alot of "justin tuck" in em, and could fit like a glove next to JPP when Tuck is gone.. I love the pick of Omar Bolden in RD 7 by the VIKINGS.. </P>


I'd say its Crawford or one of the WR's if i were picking.. Benford, Robinson, Coale, Brazill, Moye, and Jordan White are great 7th rd value.. </P>

Redeyejedi
03-07-2012, 07:13 PM
*Redeyes Draft is looking very nice so far...</P>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</P>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</P>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</P>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St</P>


<FONT size=2>No complaints w/ this right here. I'm not sure if Massie will still be on the board at the tail end of round 3 though. Same goes w/ Dajohn Harris and Nigel Bradham. Aren't they projected to go higher than this?</FONT>
Yeah they were on the board when I picked. Nigel Bradham for the most part Ive seen late 3 early 4 I got him with the last pick of the 5th. Bradham has instinct problems so I think he may go later then most are predicting.Where im getting him though its Special teams at worst and his size/speed is great for that. Massie in another expert mock went pick #52 I got him at #95. Harris, Wes Bunting for instance has #84 overall on his top 100. I got him at #127. Trumaine Johnson is about right I think. A bunch of GM's got upset when I made that pick because they wanted him. The top CB's and Safeties went early I wouldnt of got one if I waited. Fleener ended up being my worst valued pick depending on who u listen to. I think he is well worth the pick. Others who just look at him as a TE will disagree. I look at Fleener as a playmaker, an offensive weapon. He averaged almost 20 YPC and scored 10 Touchdowns. I think people dont see the potential thats here. Ballard is not a Seam stretcher, Fleener is. Now think about this when Fleener runs the Seam he will attract a LB short and a safety deep freeing the middle for crossing patterns to Nicks and Cruz who will have 1 less guy in the box to have to beat. Fleener will further widen the field for the Giants and give them another red zone option.<FONT size=2>Yeah, this mock looks really good, it fills need and you're getting really great value at the same time. Where are rounds 6 and 7? We'll know about the comp picks at the end of the month, right?</FONT>
6 and 7 are today no Comp picks yet. The one after FA will have them<FONT size=2>Any good RB's still left on the board? Maybe another CB to play in the slot for nickel/dime situations? This draft class seems to be deep in those two positions. What round did "Touchdown" Tommy Streeter go in?</FONT>
Here it is if u want to look http://nfldraftwizard.com/* That stinks about Dajohn Harris!!!* He was pretty solid Value end of RD 4, where u got em redeye... Also, Vick Ballard right before RD 7 is solid value as well..** I love your draft if* we take out the news we found out about Harris..*** </P>


Theres still some good players, as this draft is ridiculously deep..* Gerrell Robinson, Danny Coale, Tim Benford, Derek Moye, Lavon Brazill, and Jordan White are there at WR...* Scott Solomon is still there at DE...* Also, William Vlachos and Garth Gerhart are a couple of good Centers, if your getting em in RD 7... </P>


</P>


Yeah the pick is Tyrone Crawford until he gets taken.Was thinking* QB* actually Chandler Harnish,Ryan Lindley, Austin Davis,Case Keenum *there all still on the board. Donte Paige Moss even crossed my mind</P>


* Ya, Tyrone Crawford has to be the pick if hes there.. Hes got alot of "justin tuck" in em, and could fit like a glove next to JPP when Tuck is gone..* I love the pick of Omar Bolden in RD 7 by the VIKINGS..** </P>


I'd say its* Crawford or one of the WR's if i were picking.. Benford, Robinson, Coale, Brazill, Moye, and Jordan White are great 7th rd value.. </P>Im watching White as well.I wanted Greg Childs pissed he got pick. Ballards better though

lawl
03-07-2012, 10:00 PM
<h4>Auburn Pro Day Results</h4> <table><thead> <tr> <th>Player</th> <th>Ht.</th> <th>Wt.</th> <th>40 Yd</th> <th>Vertical</th> <th>Long jump</th> <th>60 Yd. shuttle</th> <th>225 bench</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="last"> <td>Chandler Brooks, PK</td> <td>5-11 3/8</td> <td>178</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Wes Byrum, PK</td> <td>6-1 3/8</td> <td>220</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Eltoro Freeman, LB</td> <td>5-10 1/2</td> <td>236</td> <td>4.70/4.82</td> <td>36.5"</td> <td>9'6"/9'11 1/2"</td> <td>11.74</td> <td>28</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Josh Harris, DS</td> <td>6-0 7/8</td> <td>249</td> <td>4.95/4.85</td> <td>30"/31"</td> <td>9'7"/9'11 1/2"</td> <td>11.74</td> <td>16</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Wes Holland, RB</td> <td>5-10</td> <td>211</td> <td>4.71/4.83</td> <td>29.5"</td> <td>9'4"/9'8"</td> <td>12.29</td> <td>19</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Brandon Mosley, OL</td> <td>6-5 1/2</td> <td>311</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Eric Smith, FB</td> <td>5-9 1/2</td> <td>246</td> <td>4.96/4.99</td> <td>26"</td> <td>8'9"/8'10"</td> <td>12.22</td> <td>13</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Neiko Thorpe, DB</td> <td>6-0 1/4</td> <td>198</td> <td>4.42/4.40</td> <td>37"/38"</td> <td>11'5"/11'4"</td> <td>11.87*</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Barrett Trotter, QB</td> <td>6-0 7/8</td> <td>215</td> <td>4.95/4.82</td> <td>32.5"/34"</td> <td>9'8"/9'7 1/2"</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Jay Wisner, WR</td> <td>5-11 1/4</td> <td>192</td> <td>4.68/4.68</td> <td>34.5"/36"</td> <td>9'11"/10'3"</td> <td>11.46</td> <td>11</td> </tr><tr class="last"> <td colspan="8">* Slipped during the shuttle.</td></tr></tbody></table>
Neiko thorpe has the measurements of a giants corner.

He any good?

nycsportzfan
03-08-2012, 06:11 AM
<H4>Auburn Pro Day Results</H4>
<TABLE>
<THEAD>
<TR>
<TH>Player</TH>
<TH>Ht.</TH>
<TH>Wt.</TH>
<TH>40 Yd</TH>
<TH>Vertical</TH>
<TH>Long jump</TH>
<TH>60 Yd. shuttle</TH>
<TH>225 bench</TH></TR></THEAD>
<TBODY>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Chandler Brooks, PK</TD>
<TD>5-11 3/8</TD>
<TD>178</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Wes Byrum, PK</TD>
<TD>6-1 3/8</TD>
<TD>220</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Eltoro Freeman, LB</TD>
<TD>5-10 1/2</TD>
<TD>236</TD>
<TD>4.70/4.82</TD>
<TD>36.5"</TD>
<TD>9'6"/9'11 1/2"</TD>
<TD>11.74</TD>
<TD>28</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Josh Harris, DS</TD>
<TD>6-0 7/8</TD>
<TD>249</TD>
<TD>4.95/4.85</TD>
<TD>30"/31"</TD>
<TD>9'7"/9'11 1/2"</TD>
<TD>11.74</TD>
<TD>16</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Wes Holland, RB</TD>
<TD>5-10</TD>
<TD>211</TD>
<TD>4.71/4.83</TD>
<TD>29.5"</TD>
<TD>9'4"/9'8"</TD>
<TD>12.29</TD>
<TD>19</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Brandon Mosley, OL</TD>
<TD>6-5 1/2</TD>
<TD>311</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Eric Smith, FB</TD>
<TD>5-9 1/2</TD>
<TD>246</TD>
<TD>4.96/4.99</TD>
<TD>26"</TD>
<TD>8'9"/8'10"</TD>
<TD>12.22</TD>
<TD>13</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Neiko Thorpe, DB</TD>
<TD>6-0 1/4</TD>
<TD>198</TD>
<TD>4.42/4.40</TD>
<TD>37"/38"</TD>
<TD>11'5"/11'4"</TD>
<TD>11.87*</TD>
<TD>4</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Barrett Trotter, QB</TD>
<TD>6-0 7/8</TD>
<TD>215</TD>
<TD>4.95/4.82</TD>
<TD>32.5"/34"</TD>
<TD>9'8"/9'7 1/2"</TD>
<TD>—</TD>
<TD>—</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD>Jay Wisner, WR</TD>
<TD>5-11 1/4</TD>
<TD>192</TD>
<TD>4.68/4.68</TD>
<TD>34.5"/36"</TD>
<TD>9'11"/10'3"</TD>
<TD>11.46</TD>
<TD>11</TD></TR>
<TR class=last>
<TD colSpan=8>* Slipped during the shuttle.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> Neiko thorpe has the measurements of a giants corner. He any good? Ya, hes a solid sleeper, but whats up with the 4reps on the bench? I think Tom Coughlin could beat that..lol

Redeyejedi
03-08-2012, 07:11 AM
<h4>Auburn Pro Day Results</h4> <table><thead> <tr> <th>Player</th> <th>Ht.</th> <th>Wt.</th> <th>40 Yd</th> <th>Vertical</th> <th>Long jump</th> <th>60 Yd. shuttle</th> <th>225 bench</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="last"> <td>Chandler Brooks, PK</td> <td>5-11 3/8</td> <td>178</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Wes Byrum, PK</td> <td>6-1 3/8</td> <td>220</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Eltoro Freeman, LB</td> <td>5-10 1/2</td> <td>236</td> <td>4.70/4.82</td> <td>36.5"</td> <td>9'6"/9'11 1/2"</td> <td>11.74</td> <td>28</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Josh Harris, DS</td> <td>6-0 7/8</td> <td>249</td> <td>4.95/4.85</td> <td>30"/31"</td> <td>9'7"/9'11 1/2"</td> <td>11.74</td> <td>16</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Wes Holland, RB</td> <td>5-10</td> <td>211</td> <td>4.71/4.83</td> <td>29.5"</td> <td>9'4"/9'8"</td> <td>12.29</td> <td>19</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Brandon Mosley, OL</td> <td>6-5 1/2</td> <td>311</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Eric Smith, FB</td> <td>5-9 1/2</td> <td>246</td> <td>4.96/4.99</td> <td>26"</td> <td>8'9"/8'10"</td> <td>12.22</td> <td>13</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Neiko Thorpe, DB</td> <td>6-0 1/4</td> <td>198</td> <td>4.42/4.40</td> <td>37"/38"</td> <td>11'5"/11'4"</td> <td>11.87*</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Barrett Trotter, QB</td> <td>6-0 7/8</td> <td>215</td> <td>4.95/4.82</td> <td>32.5"/34"</td> <td>9'8"/9'7 1/2"</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Jay Wisner, WR</td> <td>5-11 1/4</td> <td>192</td> <td>4.68/4.68</td> <td>34.5"/36"</td> <td>9'11"/10'3"</td> <td>11.46</td> <td>11</td> </tr><tr class="last"> <td colspan="8">* Slipped during the shuttle.</td></tr></tbody></table>
Neiko thorpe has the measurements of a giants corner.

He any good?He would have to play safety i think. Poor reaction and instincts gets beat deep a lot. Physically has a nice size speed combo though.

nycsportzfan
03-08-2012, 08:01 AM
Walts partner, Charlie Campbell's 4rd mock came out today.. Not a bad mock for the Giants, all though i'm not as high as some with David Wilson... I like Broyles in RD 4, and i'm liking this Jeff Allen more and more, and he reminds me of a GIANT draft pick, and i could see us show some interest..</P>


1. David Wilson RB Va Tech</P>


2. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</P>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State</P>


4. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma</P>

shocknaweny
03-08-2012, 09:23 AM
Lamar Miller please....I also like Mike Adams and Riley Reiff !!

heavyhitter
03-08-2012, 09:26 AM
<h4>Auburn Pro Day Results</h4> <table><thead> <tr> <th>Player</th> <th>Ht.</th> <th>Wt.</th> <th>40 Yd</th> <th>Vertical</th> <th>Long jump</th> <th>60 Yd. shuttle</th> <th>225 bench</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr class="last"> <td>Chandler Brooks, PK</td> <td>5-11 3/8</td> <td>178</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Wes Byrum, PK</td> <td>6-1 3/8</td> <td>220</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Eltoro Freeman, LB</td> <td>5-10 1/2</td> <td>236</td> <td>4.70/4.82</td> <td>36.5"</td> <td>9'6"/9'11 1/2"</td> <td>11.74</td> <td>28</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Josh Harris, DS</td> <td>6-0 7/8</td> <td>249</td> <td>4.95/4.85</td> <td>30"/31"</td> <td>9'7"/9'11 1/2"</td> <td>11.74</td> <td>16</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Wes Holland, RB</td> <td>5-10</td> <td>211</td> <td>4.71/4.83</td> <td>29.5"</td> <td>9'4"/9'8"</td> <td>12.29</td> <td>19</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Brandon Mosley, OL</td> <td>6-5 1/2</td> <td>311</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Eric Smith, FB</td> <td>5-9 1/2</td> <td>246</td> <td>4.96/4.99</td> <td>26"</td> <td>8'9"/8'10"</td> <td>12.22</td> <td>13</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Neiko Thorpe, DB</td> <td>6-0 1/4</td> <td>198</td> <td>4.42/4.40</td> <td>37"/38"</td> <td>11'5"/11'4"</td> <td>11.87*</td> <td>4</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Barrett Trotter, QB</td> <td>6-0 7/8</td> <td>215</td> <td>4.95/4.82</td> <td>32.5"/34"</td> <td>9'8"/9'7 1/2"</td> <td>—</td> <td>—</td> </tr> <tr class="last"> <td>Jay Wisner, WR</td> <td>5-11 1/4</td> <td>192</td> <td>4.68/4.68</td> <td>34.5"/36"</td> <td>9'11"/10'3"</td> <td>11.46</td> <td>11</td> </tr><tr class="last"> <td colspan="8">* Slipped during the shuttle.</td></tr></tbody></table>
Neiko thorpe has the measurements of a giants corner.

He any good?He would have to play safety i think. Poor reaction and instincts gets beat deep a lot. Physically has a nice size speed combo though.<font size="2">Any tape on Neiko Thorpe? He had 14 tackles vs LSU and 16 tackles vs Clemson. </font>

Redeyejedi
03-08-2012, 10:17 AM
I selected Cordarro Law in the 7th round a versatile 4-3 player that lines up at DE/OLB and DT. 22 TFL this season

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCqaK-HQMyI

Final Mock is

1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford

2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana

3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss

4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C

5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St

6. Vick Ballard RB Miss St

7. Cordarro Law DE/OLB/DT Southern Miss

heavyhitter
03-08-2012, 11:19 AM
<font size="2">Cornerback Janoris Jenkins
<u>Height:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 5’10?
<u>Weight:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 193 lbs.
<u>Arm Length:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 32 in.
<u>Hand Size:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 8 1/4 in.</font></p>


<font size="2"><u>40-Yard Dash:</u> 4.46 seconds (Video (http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d827446f9/Janoris-Jenkins-40-yard-dash))
<u>Broad Jump:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 121.0 inches
<u>Vertical Jump:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 33.5 inches
<u>Bench Press:</u></font>
<font size="2"> DNP</font></p>


<font size="2"><u>Overview:</u> A prototypical cornerback at the next level with
immense ability and athleticism, Jenkins may very well have been a
first-round pick in 2011 if a shoulder injury did not play a part in him
returning to school. After being dismissed from Florida for multiple
arrests for possession of marijuana, Jenkins found himself at North
Alabama where he had a solid year against a lower level of competition.
Character concerns and integrity issues will be the main problems
Jenkins has to overcome but all the positives he brings to the table
could wind up outweighing those deterrents in the long run. In addition
to being a solid cover corner, Jenkins has also shown an aptitude for
returning kickoffs and punts, which may given him additional value in
some teams’ eyes. His speed and quickness, fluid hips, coverage skills
and strength at the line of scrimmage allow him to cover in both
man-to-man and zone defensive schemes.</font></p>

<font size="2">
<u>Strengths:</u></font>
<font size="2"> Coverage, athleticism, speed/quickness, fluidity, hips
<u>Weaknesses:</u></font>
<font size="2"> Character concerns, off-field issues, size</font></p>

heavyhitter
03-08-2012, 11:21 AM
<font size="2">Defensive tackle Jaye Howard
<u>Height:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 6’3?
<u>Weight:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 301 lbs.
<u>Arm Length:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 33 in.
<u>Hand Size:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 9 7/8 in.</font></p>


<font size="2"><u>40-Yard Dash:</u> 4.82 seconds (No. 12 time of any DL)
<u>Broad Jump:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 106.0 inches
<u>Vertical Jump:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 27.5 inches
<u>Bench Press:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 24 reps (of 225 lbs.)</font></p>


<font size="2"><u>Overview:</u> With plenty of size, strength and off-the-ball
quickness, Howard can impact the game at defensive tackle and proved
during his senior season that he can perform well while on the field for
the majority of downs. He did his best to erase concerns raised during
his junior season in which he disappeared at times in games, showing
that he is a durable and affecting player who can make a difference when
he’s on the field. Howard became a trustworthy veteran for a team in
need of leadership, but his perceived inconsistency will be something
teams focus on throughout the evaluation process.</font></p>

<font size="2">
<u>Strengths:</u></font>
<font size="2"> Size, strength, durability, tackling
<u>Weaknesses:</u></font>
<font size="2"> Inconsistency, effort, blocking</font></p>

heavyhitter
03-08-2012, 11:23 AM
<font size="2">Running back Chris Rainey
<u>Height:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 5’8?
<u>Weight:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 180 lbs.
<u>Arm Length:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 30 3/4 in.
<u>Hand Size:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 9 1/2 in.</font></p>


<font size="2"><u>40-Yard Dash:</u> 4.45 seconds (No. 2 time)
<u>20-Yard Shuttle:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 3.93 seconds (No. 1 time)
<u>60-Yard Shuttle:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 11.06 seconds (No. 1 time)
<u>3-Cone Drill:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 6.50 seconds (No. 1 time)
<u>Broad Jump:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 120.0 inches
<u>Vertical Jump:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 36.5 inches
<u>Bench Press:</u></font>
<font size="2"> 16 reps (of 225 lbs.)</font></p>


<font size="2">UPDATE: Rainey’s times in the shuttles and
three-cone drill are the fastest of any player who has participated in
this year’s combine through Monday.</font></p>


<font size="2"><u>Overview:</u> With speed and quickness rivaling or topping every
other running back in the 2012 draft class, Rainey is agile and electric
on the field, making him an intriguing prospect as a rusher, wide
receiver or kickoff and punt returner. He is powerful for a player his
size with track-like speed and top-notch elusiveness. However, he is not
a polished blocker and is much more effective outside the tackles where
he can make plays in space as opposed to between the tackles where he
is forced to draw contact.
<u>Strengths:</u></font>
<font size="2"> Speed, quickness, agility, experience
<u>Weaknesses:</u></font>
<font size="2"> Size, blocking, next-level durability</font></p>

nycsportzfan
03-08-2012, 06:04 PM
I selected Cordarro Law in the 7th round a versatile 4-3 player that lines up at DE/OLB and DT. 22 TFL this season http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCqaK-HQMyI Final Mock is 1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford 2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana 3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss 4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C 5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St 6. Vick Ballard RB Miss St 7. Cordarro Law DE/OLB/DT Southern Miss Nice mock.. Nice indeed.. Law is a good upside player, who has some intrigue...

nycsportzfan
03-08-2012, 06:48 PM
Marc Ross was at Clemson's Proday today... Good stuff, seeing how Andre Branch and Dwayne Allen are guys i like, but Brandon Thompson is a guy i really don't like...

Neverend
03-08-2012, 07:59 PM
If the giants send scouts to pro days, its extremely important

they sent 9 to marvin austin's (a report the media completely missed until after the draft)

really disappointed dwayne allen didnt run the 40

heavyhitter
03-08-2012, 08:16 PM
Marc Ross was at Clemson's Proday today... Good stuff, seeing how Andre Branch and Dwayne Allen are guys i like, but<font size="3"> Brandon Thompson </font>is a guy i really don't like...<font size="2">Didn't you have a nickname for Thompson?</font>

nycsportzfan
03-08-2012, 08:35 PM
Marc Ross was at Clemson's Proday today... Good stuff, seeing how Andre Branch and Dwayne Allen are guys i like, but<FONT size=3> Brandon Thompson </FONT>is a guy i really don't like...<FONT size=2>Didn't you have a nickname for Thompson?</FONT>
Thee Invisible Man..lol Dude is useless...lol I'd much rather Jerel Worthy, outta the 2 kinda underachievers in my opinion, as i feel Worthy has more to offer if u can coach him up and really get him to understand what he can be if he brings it every play...

nycsportzfan
03-08-2012, 08:39 PM
If the giants send scouts to pro days, its extremely important they sent 9 to marvin austin's (a report the media completely missed until after the draft) really disappointed dwayne allen didnt run the 40 I totally agree.. Sure, sometimes it dosen't matter, as the Giants scouts or FO personal are not gonna see what they want from the guys there checking out, but more often then not, with the GIANTS, its a indicator there truly interested in a player or players that are at the paticular proday... I'm hoping its Dwayne Allen or Andre Branch that there interested in.. Clemson also has some later rd Olineman that Ross could of got a look at...

Redeyejedi
03-08-2012, 10:04 PM
If the giants send scouts to pro days, its extremely important they sent 9 to marvin austin's (a report the media completely missed until after the draft) really disappointed dwayne allen didnt run the 40* I totally agree.. Sure, sometimes it dosen't matter, as the Giants scouts or FO personal are not gonna see what they want from the guys there checking out, but more often then not, with the GIANTS, its a indicator there truly interested in a player or players that are at the paticular proday...* I'm hoping its Dwayne Allen or Andre Branch that there interested in..* Clemson also has some later rd Olineman that Ross could of got a look at...I think they would would be interested in Branch. He is the closest thing to a pure edge rusher this draft has. Still think Fleener would be the TE if they were going to take 1 but Allen is more ready to contribute as a blocker immediately.

tonyt830
03-08-2012, 10:15 PM
redeye, you think that the Giants could trade back into the early 2nd rd and still grab Fleener or Allen?</P>


</P>


I think if Fleener is there at 33, the Colts would grab him to pair with luck? I think if Reese liked Allen more, he could be sitting there till the middle of the 2nd rd.</P>


</P>


I keep reading how other analysts and fans feel Branch is more of a 3-4 rush backer. I have seen some Clemson games, and think he would be a good 4-3 end.</P>

nycsportzfan
03-08-2012, 10:36 PM
If the giants send scouts to pro days, its extremely important they sent 9 to marvin austin's (a report the media completely missed until after the draft) really disappointed dwayne allen didnt run the 40 I totally agree.. Sure, sometimes it dosen't matter, as the Giants scouts or FO personal are not gonna see what they want from the guys there checking out, but more often then not, with the GIANTS, its a indicator there truly interested in a player or players that are at the paticular proday... I'm hoping its Dwayne Allen or Andre Branch that there interested in.. Clemson also has some later rd Olineman that Ross could of got a look at...I think they would would be interested in Branch. He is the closest thing to a pure edge rusher this draft has. Still think Fleener would be the TE if they were going to take 1 but Allen is more ready to contribute as a blocker immediately. I think Allen has the look of a young Fred Davis, and if u take away the off field stuff for Fred Davis, u probably got a pro bowl type player.. I'm big on Allen and Fleener, but think Allen is quicker on the field then he showed in his 40time, andcan make the acrobatic throws, which sometimes, ELI has a tendency to throw one high or if the guys covered, he'll still give the TE or WR a chance by throwing it in a spot where he has to make a acrobatic type catch.. Allen seems to be the best ALL AROUND TE in this draft right now, and i think hes only nipped the surface.. Hes played with Kyle Wilson and a Freshman as his QB's, and Fleener had Luck.. Give Allen ELI as a QB, and i think you've got a big contributor... But Fleener is fine by me as well..

BlueSanta
03-09-2012, 03:28 AM
redeye, you think that the Giants could trade back into the early 2nd rd and still grab Fleener or Allen?</p>


</p>


I think if Fleener is there at 33, the Colts would grab him to pair with luck? I think if Reese liked Allen more, he could be sitting there till the middle of the 2nd rd.</p>


</p>


I keep reading how other analysts and fans feel Branch is more of a 3-4 rush backer. I have seen some Clemson games, and think he would be a good 4-3 end.</p>

He could, but he was lighter than most expected at the combine at 259 lbs. The athleticism was LB quality too.

nycsportzfan
03-09-2012, 06:22 AM
Rumour Has it that Stephon Gilmore is right there with Dre Kirkpatrick as the Number 2 ranked CB in this yrs draft, which comes to no surprise for me, as i've been saying i'm not high on Dre Kirkpatrick, and presonally, i have Casey Hayward ranked higher as well as Gilmore.. I just don't see Kirkpatrick as more then a Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie type CB at his best... Heres my personal CB rankings, and u guys might laugh, because of how down i am on Dre Kirkpatrick..</P>


1. Morris Claiborne LSU</P>


2. Casey Hayward Vandy- God, i love this kids game!</P>


3. Janoris Jenkins No Ala</P>


4. Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina</P>


5. Josh Robinson UCF</P>


6. Brandon Boykin Georgia</P>


7. Dre Kirkpatrick Bama</P>


8. Leonard Johson Iowa St</P>


9. Jamell Fleming Oklahoma</P>


10. Omar Bolden- Kinda my sleeper CB.. I really like Bolden.. If healthy, he'd be sure 2nd rder...</P>


Guys i don't like- Jayron Hosley, Dwight Bently, Cliff Harris, Alphonso Dennard... I also got Trumaine Johnson more as a FS then CB... I love Trumaine Johnson by the way! I like the Giants, like my CB's to have a bit of size to em, hence im just not a fan of guys like Cliff Harris and Jayron Hosley.. I make a exception for some, ala Brandon Boykin.. </P>

tonyt830
03-09-2012, 06:37 AM
redeye, you think that the Giants could trade back into the early 2nd rd and still grab Fleener or Allen?</p>


*</p>


I think if Fleener is there at 33, the Colts would grab him to pair with luck?* I think if Reese liked Allen more, he could be sitting there till the middle of the 2nd rd.</p>


*</p>


I keep reading how other analysts and fans feel Branch is more of a 3-4 rush backer.* I have seen some Clemson games, and think he would be a good 4-3 end.</p>

He could, but he was lighter than most expected at the combine at 259 lbs.* The athleticism was LB quality too.
thanks blue santa. I bet if he went to a 4-3 team to play DE, he can bulk up to 265-270 and be effective.

tonyt830
03-09-2012, 06:41 AM
*Rumour Has it that Stephon Gilmore is right there with Dre Kirkpatrick as the Number 2 ranked CB in this yrs draft, which comes to no surprise for me, as i've been saying i'm not high on Dre Kirkpatrick, and presonally, i have Casey Hayward ranked higher as well as Gilmore.. I just don't see Kirkpatrick as more then a Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie type CB at his best...*** Heres my personal CB rankings, and u guys might laugh, because of how down i am on Dre Kirkpatrick..</P>


1. Morris Claiborne LSU</P>


2. Casey Hayward Vandy-* God, i love this kids game!</P>


3. Janoris Jenkins No Ala</P>


4. Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina</P>


5. Josh Robinson UCF</P>


6. Brandon Boykin Georgia</P>


7. Dre Kirkpatrick Bama</P>


8. Leonard Johson* Iowa St</P>


9. Jamell Fleming Oklahoma</P>


10. Omar Bolden- Kinda my sleeper CB.. I really like Bolden.. If healthy, he'd be sure 2nd rder...</P>


Guys i don't like- Jayron Hosley,* Dwight Bently, Cliff Harris, Alphonso Dennard... I also got Trumaine Johnson more as a FS then CB... I love Trumaine Johnson by the way!* I like the Giants, like my CB's to have a bit of size to em, hence im just not a fan of guys like Cliff Harris and Jayron Hosley..* I make a exception for some, ala* Brandon Boykin.. </P>I agree with your list. I'm sure Claiborne, Jenkins and probably Kirkpatrick will be gone by 32. But I would not be disappointed with Gilmore, Robinson, Hayward or Fleming in the 2nd-4th rd area.

I too am a Hayward fan, hell I pull for Vandy living down here in the Nashville area. So when I see a Vandy player getting some love from the media and analysts, it makes me want them to succeed that much more.


And what I like about Boykin from Georgia, is that he can contribute in the kick return game.

nycsportzfan
03-09-2012, 06:57 AM
Rumour Has it that Stephon Gilmore is right there with Dre Kirkpatrick as the Number 2 ranked CB in this yrs draft, which comes to no surprise for me, as i've been saying i'm not high on Dre Kirkpatrick, and presonally, i have Casey Hayward ranked higher as well as Gilmore.. I just don't see Kirkpatrick as more then a Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie type CB at his best... Heres my personal CB rankings, and u guys might laugh, because of how down i am on Dre Kirkpatrick..</P>


1. Morris Claiborne LSU</P>


2. Casey Hayward Vandy- God, i love this kids game!</P>


3. Janoris Jenkins No Ala</P>


4. Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina</P>


5. Josh Robinson UCF</P>


6. Brandon Boykin Georgia</P>


7. Dre Kirkpatrick Bama</P>


8. Leonard Johson Iowa St</P>


9. Jamell Fleming Oklahoma</P>


10. Omar Bolden- Kinda my sleeper CB.. I really like Bolden.. If healthy, he'd be sure 2nd rder...</P>


Guys i don't like- Jayron Hosley, Dwight Bently, Cliff Harris, Alphonso Dennard... I also got Trumaine Johnson more as a FS then CB... I love Trumaine Johnson by the way! I like the Giants, like my CB's to have a bit of size to em, hence im just not a fan of guys like Cliff Harris and Jayron Hosley.. I make a exception for some, ala Brandon Boykin.. </P>I agree with your list. I'm sure Claiborne, Jenkins and probably Kirkpatrick will be gone by 32. But I would not be disappointed with Gilmore, Robinson, Hayward or Fleming in the 2nd-4th rd area. I too am a Hayward fan, hell I pull for Vandy living down here in the Nashville area. So when I see a Vandy player getting some love from the media and analysts, it makes me want them to succeed that much more. And what I like about Boykin from Georgia, is that he can contribute in the kick return game. Ya, Boykins versatility is something i really like.. Heck, he can play some WR if u want as well.. He also plays bigger then he is... Hayward is just a all around stud.. I don't care if he dosen't run a 4.4 or something, the guy has great instincts and technique.. Hes no slouch against the run, and flat out makes plays.. Hes gonna be such a well rounded CB in this league.. I think whoever gets Hayward, is gonna get RD 1 production, and a future probowler.. I don't see how teams aren't seeing this, but come draft day, we'll see where he goes...

nycsportzfan
03-09-2012, 08:43 AM
Heres the way Redeyes Mock Draft went for the NFC EAST TEAMS... Lets see who did the best within the divison... There were trades in this mock, hence some rd's teams got a few more picks or no picks, or earlier picks in the paticular rd, depending on what the TRADES consisted of...</P>


</P>


THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS </P>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</P>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</P>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</P>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St.</P>


6. Vick Ballard RB Miss St.</P>


7. Cordarro Law DE So. Miss</P>


The Washington Foreskins </P>


1. Riely Reiff OT Iowa</P>


2. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&amp;M</P>


3. No pick( mock trade)</P>


4. Josh Robinson CB UCF</P>


4. Mike Martin DT Michigan</P>


4. Billy Winn DT Boise St</P>


4. Chris Givens WR Wake Forest</P>


5. Brandon Mosely OT Auburn</P>


5. Justin Bethel CB Presbeytirian</P>


6. James Michael-Johnson LB Nevada</P>


6. Tony Bergstrom OT Utah</P>


7. Emil Igwenagu FB/TE UMASS</P>


7. Danny Coale WR Virginia Tech</P>


</P>


Dallas Cowgirls</P>


1. Melvin Ingram OLB/DE S.Carolina (aquired by trade up with Phins)</P>


2. Pick Traded away</P>


3. Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech</P>


4. Dominique Hamilton DT Mizzo</P>


4. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</P>


5. Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin</P>


5. Terrence Fredrick CB Texas A&amp;M</P>


6. Emmanuel Acho LB Texas</P>


6. Jarrett Boykin WR Virginia Tech</P>


7. Taylor Thompson TE S.M.U</P>


</P>


Philthy Eagles</P>


1. Courtney Upshaw DE/OLB Alabama</P>


1. Mark Barron S Alabama (mock trade)</P>


2. Alamadea Ta'amu DT Washington</P>


3. Pick traded away(mock trade)</P>


4. Kirk Cousins QB Michigan St.</P>


4. Nick Toon WR Wisconsin</P>


5. Senio Kelemente G Washington</P>


6. Matt Reynolds OT B.Y.U</P>


7. No Pick (mock trade)</P>


</P>

Redeyejedi
03-09-2012, 08:56 AM
Well guys the stupidity of the guys never cease to amaze me.
Orson Charles was arrested for DUI and driving 2 Slow .
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17683150/orson-charles-arrested-for-dui-friday

heavyhitter
03-09-2012, 09:23 AM
Well guys the stupidity of the guys never cease to amaze me.
Orson Charles was arrested for DUI and driving 2 Slow .
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/17683150/orson-charles-arrested-for-dui-fridayhttp://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/miami-vice_a_GIFSoup_com.gif

heavyhitter
03-09-2012, 10:03 AM
<font size="2"><span class="tl">Miami Pro Day Features Several Future NFL Draft Picks (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=pro+day+news&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved= 0CDYQqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sbnation.com%2F20 12-nfl-draft%2F2012%2F3%2F9%2F2856884%2Fmiami-pro-day-nfl-draft-2012&amp;ei=NhdaT97aMard0QHP0cDSDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNHiKEA0A7R wdQVKCcdR4dW4WIzTsw&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>

Redeyejedi
03-09-2012, 10:19 AM
Giants reportedly spent a lot of time with Chandler Jones not surprising with his 85 3/8 Wingspan and 35 1/2 " arms.

http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20120308/SPORTS/203080407/Chandler-Jones-draws-crowd-Syracuse-s-Pro-Day?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

heavyhitter
03-09-2012, 10:20 AM
<font size="2">Antrel Rolle was at Miami's Pro Day yesterday as well as damn near every team including multiple scouts from individual teams (66 NFL scouts/coaches).
<span class="tl">Miami Pro Day Features Several Future NFL Draft Picks (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=pro+day+news&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved= 0CDYQqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sbnation.com%2F20 12-nfl-draft%2F2012%2F3%2F9%2F2856884%2Fmiami-pro-day-nfl-draft-2012&amp;ei=NhdaT97aMard0QHP0cDSDw&amp;usg=AFQjCNHiKEA0A7R wdQVKCcdR4dW4WIzTsw&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>

BlueSanta
03-09-2012, 02:13 PM
Giants reportedly spent a lot of time with Chandler Jones not surprising with his 85 3/8 Wingspan and 35 1/2 " arms.

http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20120308/SPORTS/203080407/Chandler-Jones-draws-crowd-Syracuse-s-Pro-Day?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

As I said in the other thread, I think he is a very big possibility for us. He is a natural LDE and with Tuck's injuries mounting we have lacked a natural LDE to replace/ spell him.

We have lined up JPP in place of an injured Tuck, and he did well, but his production on the right side was way better. He is much more natural on the right.

We have lined up Tolly to spell Tuck, and he did well in passrush situations but suffered vs the run.

We lined up Canty occasionally too, but he didnt garner much passrush from the position.

Jones is a perfect fit for our defense.

Neverend
03-09-2012, 03:00 PM
Jones has an elite wingspan, but what else is so great about him?

Outside of the fact that having great length should help you anchor in a 2-gap scheme, help tremendously when wrapping up, helping keep blockers off your frame against the run game, and subsequently helping in your pass rush from lineman getting an initial punch on your chest -- I would like to know what else is great about this guy that could translate significantly at the next level (and because he plays high and short-armed doesn't even use his length to his advantage although that is correctable)

Granted it was one video, but I wasn't impressed with his tape against west virginia. Doesn't seem to be quick or explosive and doesn't have great technique. Reports dont sound so great on him either

I think his upside is very limited. It wasn't just JPP's wingspan that made him so special, the kid was very explosive and sudden as a pass rusher in his short time as a starter at college. This Jones guy seems to be a great athlete physically, but as far as football qualities go (first step quickness, get off burst, suddeness, violence.) he seems woefully below average.

I think he'll flash nothing in a training camp. I don't think just because he has great length (which as mentioned serves as a great fit for our scheme) ALONE makes him a great fit for the defense. There are other draft picks with long arms and are superior athletes than Jones at the same time. Not someone I'd use a pick on in the first 4 or 5 rounds

Redeyejedi
03-09-2012, 03:06 PM
I think the 2nd Round an interior lineman should be the target. Draft has very good talent at Guard. If they want the Pass Rusher take Branch or Mercilus if they get the chance that is

alau53
03-09-2012, 03:07 PM
what about nick (al's son) toon being a 3-5th rd pick for the gmen..noone has mentioned him

Redeyejedi
03-09-2012, 03:08 PM
*Rumour Has it that Stephon Gilmore is right there with Dre Kirkpatrick as the Number 2 ranked CB in this yrs draft, which comes to no surprise for me, as i've been saying i'm not high on Dre Kirkpatrick, and presonally, i have Casey Hayward ranked higher as well as Gilmore.. I just don't see Kirkpatrick as more then a Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie type CB at his best...*** Heres my personal CB rankings, and u guys might laugh, because of how down i am on Dre Kirkpatrick..</P>


1. Morris Claiborne LSU</P>


2. Casey Hayward Vandy-* God, i love this kids game!</P>


3. Janoris Jenkins No Ala</P>


4. Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina</P>


5. Josh Robinson UCF</P>


6. Brandon Boykin Georgia</P>


7. Dre Kirkpatrick Bama</P>


8. Leonard Johson* Iowa St</P>


9. Jamell Fleming Oklahoma</P>


10. Omar Bolden- Kinda my sleeper CB.. I really like Bolden.. If healthy, he'd be sure 2nd rder...</P>


Guys i don't like- Jayron Hosley,* Dwight Bently, Cliff Harris, Alphonso Dennard... I also got Trumaine Johnson more as a FS then CB... I love Trumaine Johnson by the way!* I like the Giants, like my CB's to have a bit of size to em, hence im just not a fan of guys like Cliff Harris and Jayron Hosley..* I make a exception for some, ala* Brandon Boykin.. </P>I agree with your list. I'm sure Claiborne, Jenkins and probably Kirkpatrick will be gone by 32. But I would not be disappointed with Gilmore, Robinson, Hayward or Fleming in the 2nd-4th rd area. I too am a Hayward fan, hell I pull for Vandy living down here in the Nashville area. So when I see a Vandy player getting some love from the media and analysts, it makes me want them to succeed that much more. And what I like about Boykin from Georgia, is that he can contribute in the kick return game.* Ya, Boykins versatility is something i really like.. Heck, he can play some WR if u want as well..** He also plays bigger then he is...*** Hayward is just a all around stud.. I don't care if he dosen't run a 4.4 or something, the guy has great instincts and technique.. Hes no slouch against the run, and flat out makes plays.. Hes gonna be such a well rounded CB in this league.. I think whoever gets Hayward, is gonna get RD 1 production, and a future probowler.. I don't see how teams aren't seeing this, but come draft day, we'll see where he goes...I think Kirkpatrick is going to end up at safety. He is physical enough for it.
Gilmore fits the Giant mold at CB. I could see them selecting him

Neverend
03-09-2012, 03:08 PM
I think the 2nd Round an interior lineman should be the target. Draft has very good talent at Guard. If they want the Pass Rusher take Branch or Mercilus if they get the chance that is

OG class > OT class

Neverend
03-09-2012, 03:09 PM
what about nick (al's son) toon being a 3-5th rd pick for the gmen..noone has mentioned him

I would fully endorse that. Kids a playmaker and probably would put up big time numbers in another offense

bLuereverie
03-09-2012, 03:57 PM
*Heres the way Redeyes* Mock Draft went for the NFC EAST TEAMS... Lets see who did the best within the divison... There were trades in this mock, hence some rd's teams got a few more picks or no picks, or earlier picks in the paticular rd, depending on what the TRADES consisted of...</P>


*</P>


THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPS </P>


1. Coby Fleener TE Stanford</P>


2. Trumaine Johnson CB/FS Montana</P>


3. Bobbie Massie OT Ole Miss</P>


4. Dajohn Harris DT U.S.C</P>


5. Nigel Bradham OLB Florida St.</P>


6. Vick Ballard RB Miss St.</P>


7. Cordarro Law DE So. Miss</P>


The Washington Foreskins** </P>


1. Riely Reiff OT Iowa</P>


2. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M</P>


3.* No pick( mock trade)</P>


4. Josh Robinson CB UCF</P>


4. Mike Martin DT Michigan</P>


4. Billy Winn DT Boise St</P>


4. Chris Givens WR Wake Forest</P>


5. Brandon Mosely OT Auburn</P>


5. Justin Bethel CB Presbeytirian</P>


6. James Michael-Johnson LB Nevada</P>


6. Tony Bergstrom OT Utah</P>


7. Emil Igwenagu FB/TE UMASS</P>


7. Danny Coale WR Virginia Tech</P>


*</P>


Dallas Cowgirls</P>


1. Melvin Ingram OLB/DE S.Carolina (aquired by trade up with Phins)</P>


2. Pick Traded away</P>


3. Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech</P>


4. Dominique Hamilton DT Mizzo</P>


4. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</P>


5. Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin</P>


5. Terrence Fredrick CB Texas A&M</P>


6. Emmanuel Acho LB Texas</P>


6. Jarrett Boykin WR Virginia Tech</P>


7. Taylor Thompson TE S.M.U</P>


*</P>


Philthy Eagles</P>


1.* Courtney Upshaw DE/OLB Alabama</P>


1. Mark Barron S Alabama (mock trade)</P>


2. Alamadea Ta'amu DT Washington</P>


3. Pick traded away(mock trade)</P>


4.* Kirk Cousins QB Michigan St.</P>


4. Nick Toon WR Wisconsin</P>


5. Senio Kelemente G Washington</P>


6. Matt Reynolds OT B.Y.U</P>


7. No Pick (mock trade)</P>


*</P>

Ingram is the one guy I never wanted for the Cowboys.

I don't see Eagles taking Upshaw. Maybe trading up for Coples, otherwise, I suspect DT. With that wide 9, they can stand to get a 2gap DT. With that said, I don't think Ta'Amu applies as he looks like your prototypical 0. Washburn still loves his guys shooting upfield.

I would say Dallas [no mocked trades]
1.DeCastro
2. Ta'Amu

Philly
1. Still/Brockers
2a. Bobby Wager
2b. Chase Minnifield

I don't bother with Washington. They are a huge wildcard in need of a QB.

heavyhitter
03-09-2012, 04:50 PM
If they want the Pass Rusher take Branch or Mercilus if they get the chance that isYou think Branch or Mercilus are better pass rushers than Nick Perry? Or do you just not see Perry being available at 32?

nycsportzfan
03-09-2012, 06:11 PM
Giants reportedly spent a lot of time with Chandler Jones not surprising with his 85 3/8 Wingspan and 35 1/2 " arms. http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20120308/SPORTS/203080407/Chandler-Jones-draws-crowd-Syracuse-s-Pro-Day?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs ya, i figured the Giants would be checking into DE's, seeing how OSI and Tucks best yrs are probably more so then not, behind them... And on top of that Tollefson is a FA... I have no problem with Chandler Jones in RD 2... Its also good, becasue it kinda shows me, if they have interest in Whitney Mercilus and somehow he drops down(i surely doubt it), then maybe we get em..

heavyhitter
03-09-2012, 06:13 PM
<font size="2">Mayock is putting in work that's for damn sure. Just saw him reporting from Oklahoma St. Pro Day and he looked exhausted. He was at Georgia Tech's pro day, Alabama, Clemson yesterday, and today Oklahoma St. This guy is one of the best in the biz in evaluating prospects and he's been getting his money's worth.</font>

Redeyejedi
03-09-2012, 06:13 PM
If they want the Pass Rusher take Branch or Mercilus if they get the chance that isYou think Branch or Mercilus are better pass rushers than Nick Perry? Or do you just not see Perry being available at 32?
Nick Perry will be gone . I dont think Mercilus gets to the Giants either. Andre Branch,Cam Johnson,Chandler Jones are guys in the Giants range

nycsportzfan
03-09-2012, 06:14 PM
Giants reportedly spent a lot of time with Chandler Jones not surprising with his 85 3/8 Wingspan and 35 1/2 " arms. http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20120308/SPORTS/203080407/Chandler-Jones-draws-crowd-Syracuse-s-Pro-Day?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

As I said in the other thread, I think he is a very big possibility for us. He is a natural LDE and with Tuck's injuries mounting we have lacked a natural LDE to replace/ spell him.

We have lined up JPP in place of an injured Tuck, and he did well, but his production on the right side was way better. He is much more natural on the right.

We have lined up Tolly to spell Tuck, and he did well in passrush situations but suffered vs the run.

We lined up Canty occasionally too, but he didnt garner much passrush from the position.

Jones is a perfect fit for our defense.
Good Call with Jones

nycsportzfan
03-09-2012, 06:16 PM
Rumour Has it that Stephon Gilmore is right there with Dre Kirkpatrick as the Number 2 ranked CB in this yrs draft, which comes to no surprise for me, as i've been saying i'm not high on Dre Kirkpatrick, and presonally, i have Casey Hayward ranked higher as well as Gilmore.. I just don't see Kirkpatrick as more then a Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie type CB at his best... Heres my personal CB rankings, and u guys might laugh, because of how down i am on Dre Kirkpatrick..</P>


1. Morris Claiborne LSU</P>


2. Casey Hayward Vandy- God, i love this kids game!</P>


3. Janoris Jenkins No Ala</P>


4. Stephon Gilmore S.Carolina</P>


5. Josh Robinson UCF</P>


6. Brandon Boykin Georgia</P>


7. Dre Kirkpatrick Bama</P>


8. Leonard Johson Iowa St</P>


9. Jamell Fleming Oklahoma</P>


10. Omar Bolden- Kinda my sleeper CB.. I really like Bolden.. If healthy, he'd be sure 2nd rder...</P>


Guys i don't like- Jayron Hosley, Dwight Bently, Cliff Harris, Alphonso Dennard... I also got Trumaine Johnson more as a FS then CB... I love Trumaine Johnson by the way! I like the Giants, like my CB's to have a bit of size to em, hence im just not a fan of guys like Cliff Harris and Jayron Hosley.. I make a exception for some, ala Brandon Boykin.. </P>I agree with your list. I'm sure Claiborne, Jenkins and probably Kirkpatrick will be gone by 32. But I would not be disappointed with Gilmore, Robinson, Hayward or Fleming in the 2nd-4th rd area. I too am a Hayward fan, hell I pull for Vandy living down here in the Nashville area. So when I see a Vandy player getting some love from the media and analysts, it makes me want them to succeed that much more. And what I like about Boykin from Georgia, is that he can contribute in the kick return game. Ya, Boykins versatility is something i really like.. Heck, he can play some WR if u want as well.. He also plays bigger then he is... Hayward is just a all around stud.. I don't care if he dosen't run a 4.4 or something, the guy has great instincts and technique.. Hes no slouch against the run, and flat out makes plays.. Hes gonna be such a well rounded CB in this league.. I think whoever gets Hayward, is gonna get RD 1 production, and a future probowler.. I don't see how teams aren't seeing this, but come draft day, we'll see where he goes...I think Kirkpatrick is going to end up at safety. He is physical enough for it. Gilmore fits the Giant mold at CB. I could see them selecting him Ya, Gilmore is a guy i could see the Giants covet bigtime... Good Run Defender with size, and has some upside to boot...

heavyhitter
03-09-2012, 06:34 PM
<font size="2">Haven't heard much talk on Michigan WR Junior Hemingway. 6"1, 225 lbs, ran a 4.53 40. His production seemed to increase every year at Michigan. Projected to go somewhere in the mid-rounds. Thoughts on Hemingway?
</font><ul> <font size="2">Three-cone: 6.59 seconds, first out of 26 receivers</font> <font size="2">20-yard shuttle: 3.98 seconds, tied for first out of 26 receivers</font> <font size="2">60-yard shuttle: 11.16 seconds, 2nd out of 13 receivers</font>[/list]

heavyhitter
03-09-2012, 08:19 PM
<font size="2">Another guy I haven't seen much talk about his Drake Dunsmore (TE) Northwestern. Ran a 4.64 40, and also recorded the quickest short shuttle (4.03) and three-cone (6.73) times of all tight ends. Solid production as well, 143 catches for over 1500 yards and 14 TD's in his 4 years at Northwestern. Projected as a mid-late round pick. Thoughts?</font>

heavyhitter
03-09-2012, 08:30 PM
<font size="4">NFL daily update - March. 9 (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d8277d002)</font>

nycsportzfan
03-09-2012, 08:44 PM
<FONT size=2>Another guy I haven't seen much talk about his Drake Dunsmore (TE) Northwestern. Ran a 4.64 40, and also recorded the quickest short shuttle (4.03) and three-cone (6.73) times of all tight ends. Solid production as well, 143 catches for over 1500 yards and 14 TD's in his 4 years at Northwestern. Projected as a mid-late round pick. Thoughts?</FONT>
Reminds me of jacob tamme... Not a bad sleeper, but i don't know if were not better off just keeping Bear Pascoe, who blocks better..

nycsportzfan
03-09-2012, 08:46 PM
<FONT size=2>Haven't heard much talk on Michigan WR Junior Hemingway. 6"1, 225 lbs, ran a 4.53 40. His production seemed to increase every year at Michigan. Projected to go somewhere in the mid-rounds. Thoughts on Hemingway?
</FONT>
<UL>
<LI><FONT size=2>Three-cone: 6.59 seconds, first out of 26 receivers</FONT>
<LI><FONT size=2>20-yard shuttle: 3.98 seconds, tied for first out of 26 receivers</FONT>
<LI><FONT size=2>60-yard shuttle: 11.16 seconds, 2nd out of 13 receivers</FONT></LI>[/list] Its so funny u mention Hemmingway, because hes a guy i like as a real late rd sleeper or even a possible UDF as well.. I totally agreee with u on hemmingway.. Hes a guy who could be a real tough matchup for smaller DB's, and hold his own physically against the bigger DB's..

alau53
03-10-2012, 02:08 AM
giants love the michigan wr's like toomer and manningham

nycsportzfan
03-10-2012, 06:26 AM
Good Call on everyone who thought the Redskins was where RG3 would land.. The Browns are idiots for letting him get away... Now the Browns will get Ryan Tannehill and be in the same loser perdicement there always in..

nycsportzfan
03-10-2012, 06:30 AM
Walts Partner Charlie Campbell added a RD 5 to his Mock, mainly because the Skins/Rams trade, and this is how hes got our Giants going.. I don't love it, but there is a couple picks i'm happy about, mainly Broyles in RD 4 and Cole in RD 3... </P>


</P>


1. David Wilson RB Va Tech</P>


2. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</P>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State- Hes a player i think Giants will surely Covet</P>


4. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma- A steal here in RD 4, and will kill mario's production if healthy...</P>


5. Evan Rodriguez TE Temple- I like em, but dont' see the big upgrade over Bear Pascoe...</P>

tonyt830
03-10-2012, 08:30 AM
The only thing that would concern me the most nyc, about Broyles, is the ACL injury he is recovering from.</P>


</P>


I don't know much about Jeff Allen---You think he is a late 2nd rd pick? Did he play on the left or right side at Illinois?</P>

Redeyejedi
03-10-2012, 08:51 AM
* Walts Partner Charlie Campbell added a RD 5 to his* Mock, mainly because the* Skins/Rams trade, and this is how hes got our Giants going..* I don't love it, but there is a couple picks i'm happy about, mainly** Broyles in RD 4 and* Cole in RD 3...*** </P>


*</P>


1. David Wilson RB Va Tech</P>


2. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</P>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State-* Hes a player i think Giants will surely Covet</P>


4. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma-* A steal here in RD 4, and will kill mario's production if healthy...</P>


5. Evan Rodriguez TE Temple- I like em, but dont' see the big upgrade over Bear Pascoe...</P>Dont like this Mock at all. I like Rodriguez but he isnt an in line TE at all. He could replace Beckum as the Motion TE/HB. I keep seeing him mocked to the Giants and why I do like him I cant see the TE problem being solved by a 6'1" TE.

Broyles is another player I like but he is an inside receiver.With Cruz and Jernigan on the team I would like to see them draft an outside receiver.Coming off an ACL u just dont know what he is going to look like.If its anything like Steve Smith did this year no way I would draft him in the 4th Round.If the Giants doctors clear him then he could be a steal though.Jeff Allen not bad option but I dont like him there. David Wilson real nice RB but I think its a reach. Audie Cole I like him but I could see him sliding on draft day .He isnt very flexible and it will turn off many NFL teams but for the Giants he could fit as a SOLB.

Raptor22
03-10-2012, 09:46 AM
Alrighty, I guess its time I threw down a short mock:

Rd 1) Nick Perry - (DE/OLB, USC). Not my favorite DL in the draft, or even my favorite DE. However, I think the depth at DL will push him down to 32. Likewise, I think the versitility of guys like Andre Branch, Melvin Ingram, Upshaw, and Mercilus will get them taken before Perry, who I see as strictly a DE (I don't see the hips to be able to drop back into coverage)

As of RIGHT NOW, I think Mercilus is the better/more ready DE. However, a year from now, after spending time learning from Tuck and Osi, Perry could be better. Perry's long, at 6'5", with LONG arms (something JR ALWAYS looks for). He has a ridiculous first step (fastest in the combine, IIRC). In my own humble opinion, the only thing I think Perry needs is coaching. He's got all the tools to be a suitable successor to Justin Tuck, and like Mayock, I think he's a natural LDE, who has the ability to get after the QB while defending the run. Perry and JPP could terrorize QB's for years to come.

Rd 2) Doug Martin - (RB, Boise St) Probably my favorite RB in the draft. I love the way he plays, and I agree wholly that he's the next in the MJD/Ray Rice line. He runs with the authoritah to in some part replace Brandon Jacobs... while also being a natural pass catcher. Not the home run-threat that Miller and Wilson are, which I think will hurt him. Unless he's a prototypical feature back, teams just don't seem to want to go with a "steady" back like Martin. Between that and the falling stock of the RB, I could definitely see him being a steal at 64

Rd 3) Audie Cole - (LB, NC State). This guy is a prototyical Giants draft choice. Tall, long, athletic, versatile, and productive. He can play inside or outside, which will be useful going forward if Goff can't/isn't re-signed, or if Osi is traded and Kiwi needs to play DE (again). Beyond that, I think that with some coaching/seasoning, he could be one of the best LB's in the draft. I just love the way he moves... kinda reminds me of a white Patrick Willis (just eye-test, nobody get their knickers in a knot)

Rd 4) James Brown (T/G, Troy): JR's typical mid-round OL steal. Another Giants prototype, with freakishly long arms and great athleticism. Despite coming from a small school, he comported himself well whenever faced by high-level competition. A former tackle who will probably have to kick inside to guard, he did very well in the pulling drill at the combine (good skill to have for a Giants lineman). He can also sub at RT, if necessary.

Rd 5) Marcel Jones (T, Nebraska). Big, Tall, and he's got a fro. I thought he performed well in the combine. Not the fastest guy (at all), but he's got size and I thought he did well in the on-field drills. Also, he REALLY reminds me of Julius (Samuel L. Jackson's character from Pulp Fiction). Isn't that reason enough?

Rd 6) Random FSU freak that only Jerry Reese knows about. You know its going to happen.

Rd 7) Kellen Moore (QB, Boise St.) Three reasons for this one: 1) Winningest college QB ever. 2) JR has shown a couple times that he WANTS to draft a QB, groom him behind Eli. Either to grow a backup in-house, or flip for better picks down the road (IE: Kolb). 3) Could be drafting our future OC. Because of his physical limitations, he probably understands the game better than anyone in the draft, including Andrew Luck. He HAS to. The comment was made during the combine: If Moore doesn't make it as a QB, he very well could get into coaching. Why not grow our own (now THAT's continuity)

(Note: if Martin isn't available in the 2nd, I'd go with Kevin Zietler (G-Wisconsin) in the 2nd, and Robert Turbin in the 4th (Dough Martin clone... little less shifty, but dude's got GUNS (http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2012/03/08/sp-turbin09_PH1_WRE0107122227.jpg)! and from what I've heard a big chip on his shoulder. Two things we want)

Okay, feel free to mock my mock

nycsportzfan
03-10-2012, 10:26 AM
Walts Partner Charlie Campbell added a RD 5 to his Mock, mainly because the Skins/Rams trade, and this is how hes got our Giants going.. I don't love it, but there is a couple picks i'm happy about, mainly Broyles in RD 4 and Cole in RD 3... </P>


</P>


1. David Wilson RB Va Tech</P>


2. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</P>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State- Hes a player i think Giants will surely Covet</P>


4. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma- A steal here in RD 4, and will kill mario's production if healthy...</P>


5. Evan Rodriguez TE Temple- I like em, but dont' see the big upgrade over Bear Pascoe...</P>


Dont like this Mock at all. I like Rodriguez but he isnt an in line TE at all. He could replace Beckum as the Motion TE/HB. I keep seeing him mocked to the Giants and why I do like him I cant see the TE problem being solved by a 6'1" TE. Broyles is another player I like but he is an inside receiver.With Cruz and Jernigan on the team I would like to see them draft an outside receiver.Coming off an ACL u just dont know what he is going to look like.If its anything like Steve Smith did this year no way I would draft him in the 4th Round.If the Giants doctors clear him then he could be a steal though.Jeff Allen not bad option but I dont like him there. David Wilson real nice RB but I think its a reach. Audie Cole I like him but I could see him sliding on draft day .He isnt very flexible and it will turn off many NFL teams but for the Giants he could fit as a SOLB. See, i actually think broyles can play outside and inside, just like Victor Cruz.. There both pretty versatile in that way... Cruz and broyles really adjust to the ball in the air well, which u see when there outside on deep throws sometimes.. I think there both so wirey and have really good hands, which makes em good slot guys, but don't think they can't get deep, because they both can.. </P>


As for Audie Cole, hes the type of LB i think would excel with the giants, coming up big against the run, and making timely big plays.. I love players that play the way Cole does.. He goes 100pct, and i all most feel like Chase Blackburn is a poor mans Audie Cole... I'd have no problem taking Cole in RD 3.. I actually think he'll go in RD 3, or very early RD 4, because of his smarts, savy, run defense, and on field production.. Hes the type of guy who just gets it, and just gets it done...</P>


Now I feel the exact way about Allen and Rodriguez as u do.. I think there both solid, but nothing to right home about, and i really don't see Rodriguez being the answer at TE eitehr.. I feel we got Pascoe, who is probably around abouts where i think Rodriguez will be as a player, possibly a little better.. Allen is solid, and i know hes a riser, but theres plenty of guys out there, i think could play just as well in mid-later rds..</P>

BlueSanta
03-10-2012, 07:18 PM
Walts Partner Charlie Campbell added a RD 5 to his Mock, mainly because the Skins/Rams trade, and this is how hes got our Giants going.. I don't love it, but there is a couple picks i'm happy about, mainly Broyles in RD 4 and Cole in RD 3... </p>


</p>


1. David Wilson RB Va Tech</p>


2. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</p>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State- Hes a player i think Giants will surely Covet</p>


4. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma- A steal here in RD 4, and will kill mario's production if healthy...</p>


5. Evan Rodriguez TE Temple- I like em, but dont' see the big upgrade over Bear Pascoe...</p>

Personally, I think this mock isnt bad. What I do like, and agree with is the idea that Oline and RB are currently our 2 biggest needs.

Since AB's ankle problems are ongoing, and BJ is no longer a Giant(assuming it stays this way) then I believe RB is a primary need again.

I also agree that Tackle is a big need. Even if Brewer works out at RT, we still need depth at the position.

BlueSanta
03-10-2012, 07:23 PM
</p>

5. Evan Rodriguez TE Temple- I like em, but dont' see the big upgrade over Bear Pascoe...</p>

Thats kind of a problem right now tho, we have not resigned or even tendered Pascoe(that I have read anyways) so at this point all we really have is the guy we signed from the colts, Jacob Tamme, who isnt an end line TE, and Ballard/Beckum both likely wont be available early in the season if at all.

nycsportzfan
03-10-2012, 09:12 PM
Walts Partner Charlie Campbell added a RD 5 to his Mock, mainly because the Skins/Rams trade, and this is how hes got our Giants going.. I don't love it, but there is a couple picks i'm happy about, mainly Broyles in RD 4 and Cole in RD 3... </P>


</P>


1. David Wilson RB Va Tech</P>


2. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</P>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State- Hes a player i think Giants will surely Covet</P>


4. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma- A steal here in RD 4, and will kill mario's production if healthy...</P>


5. Evan Rodriguez TE Temple- I like em, but dont' see the big upgrade over Bear Pascoe...</P>

Personally, I think this mock isnt bad. What I do like, and agree with is the idea that Oline and RB are currently our 2 biggest needs.

Since AB's ankle problems are ongoing, and BJ is no longer a Giant(assuming it stays this way) then I believe RB is a primary need again.

I also agree that Tackle is a big need. Even if Brewer works out at RT, we still need depth at the position.


Ya, i mean there is certainly things to like about the draft, just a couple guys i don't feel have the talent for the RD there going in.. Specifically Jeff Allen... I'm not to high on David Wilson, as i get real frustrated with those 10yrd loss runs , trying to make something outta nothing, in between the big gainer... But ya, Charlie has a idea of what the giants need, positon wise, and who knows, could be right on with the plaeyrs, just not all guys i'm super fond of... Again, i really like Cole and Broyles..

BlueSanta
03-10-2012, 10:59 PM
Walts Partner Charlie Campbell added a RD 5 to his Mock, mainly because the Skins/Rams trade, and this is how hes got our Giants going.. I don't love it, but there is a couple picks i'm happy about, mainly Broyles in RD 4 and Cole in RD 3... </p>


</p>


1. David Wilson RB Va Tech</p>


2. Jeff Allen OT Illinois</p>


3. Audie Cole LB Nc State- Hes a player i think Giants will surely Covet</p>


4. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma- A steal here in RD 4, and will kill mario's production if healthy...</p>


5. Evan Rodriguez TE Temple- I like em, but dont' see the big upgrade over Bear Pascoe...</p>

Personally, I think this mock isnt bad. What I do like, and agree with is the idea that Oline and RB are currently our 2 biggest needs.

Since AB's ankle problems are ongoing, and BJ is no longer a Giant(assuming it stays this way) then I believe RB is a primary need again.

I also agree that Tackle is a big need. Even if Brewer works out at RT, we still need depth at the position.


Ya, i mean there is certainly things to like about the draft, just a couple guys i don't feel have the talent for the RD there going in.. Specifically Jeff Allen... I'm not to high on David Wilson, as i get real frustrated with those 10yrd loss runs , trying to make something outta nothing, in between the big gainer... But ya, Charlie has a idea of what the giants need, positon wise, and who knows, could be right on with the plaeyrs, just not all guys i'm super fond of... Again, i really like Cole and Broyles..

I def agree his losses were a problem. But, I think that is not all his fault. If you watch VT play, they run a LOT of sweeps and outside runs. Far more than either Miller or Martin did. Outside runs always run the risk of loss moreso than inside runs. Imho, he was the 2nd best back in college football this year behind TR. Every team VT played game planned to stop Wilson above all else. Yet somehow, he still was a big producer.

nycsportzfan
03-11-2012, 06:08 PM
A player not talked about much that i think the Giants will covet for Comp to Goff and Depth is Mychal Kendricks ILB Cal... A think thumper, who can blitz, and has alot of power to his game, and explosion... I like Wagner more, but have a feeling the Saints will take Wagner in the 2nd rd. Kendricks is a guy i'm gonna go out on a limb and say the Giants show interest in...

TheEnigma
03-11-2012, 09:20 PM
Since people here in the Draft section seem to understand football a bit better than in the TAGF section, I'll ask my James Brewer question here.

Is it possible that we saw very little of Brewer because they are in the process of molding him into a LT? I just find it hard to believe that after the season McKenzie had that Brewer couldn't dethrone him from the RT position. It's also usually a long process to transition from the side you are used to so I think it's a realistic possibility. If so, do you think that it would put a larger need at the RT position and put us into play for someone like Bobby Massie?

Let me know what you think whether it's a legitimate theory or if I'm trying to convince myself Brewer is better than he really is.

nycsportzfan
03-11-2012, 10:47 PM
Since people here in the Draft section seem to understand football a bit better than in the TAGF section, I'll ask my James Brewer question here. Is it possible that we saw very little of Brewer because they are in the process of molding him into a LT? I just find it hard to believe that after the season McKenzie had that Brewer couldn't dethrone him from the RT position. It's also usually a long process to transition from the side you are used to so I think it's a realistic possibility. If so, do you think that it would put a larger need at the RT position and put us into play for someone like Bobby Massie? Let me know what you think whether it's a legitimate theory or if I'm trying to convince myself Brewer is better than he really is. Redeye can vouch, i was a big James Brewer guy, and hes the guy i hoped for when our pick came up in RD 4, so i'll say what i've said back then, which is, that James Brewer tops out as a LT.. Hes obviously got the size and arm length to keep premier pass rushers from getting the edge, but also very good athletic ability, especially for a man his size.. Now, lets not forget Beatty was playing well before his injury, and i don't think he looks like he'd be a good RT, so unless injury, i see Brewer as a RT, but i think its possible if need be, that James Brewer be a very good LT in this league.. I'd of taken James Brewer over the guy the STEELERS took in RD 2, personally... Thats how good i think Brewer is.. I think we got a 2nd rd talent in RD 4...

nycsportzfan
03-11-2012, 11:19 PM
Assuming the GIANTS trade OSI before the draft(i'd do it in a heartbeat, while hes regained value), we should at least get a 2nd rder outta it, and probably similar to the Shockey package of a 2nd and 5th.. Can u imagine the Draft we could have, as were probably also getting a couple comp picks for Cofield and Boss.. With us being over the Cap and being so good at drafting talent, i think getting as many picks, and shedding some contracts for guys who are injury prone or older isn't a bad idea, especially with the track record of Reese and his drafts...</P>


1. Mike Adams OT Ohio St- I'm pretty much to the point, where if Adams is there, he should be the pick, because we just don't got enough at the OT positon behind Beatty and Brewer(who has yet to be involved in NFL action).. Didn't think adams was gonna be there when we picked, but he just might the more this thing plays out...</P>


2. OSI TRADE- Doug Martin RB Boise St- Adds depth , and all around playmaking ability to the RB core...</P>


2. Mychal Kendricks ILB Cal- A thumper of a MLB.. Guy will be beast on ST's also.. Would fit well into our view of what a LB should do.. </P>


3. Greg Childs WR Arkansas- I think his proday showed hes healthy, and if healthy, this guys a steal at the end of RD 3, and would be a huge weapon for ELI in the redzone and possesion wr...</P>


4. Donnie Fletcher CB/S Boston College- Great value, and tremdous size for a CB...</P>


4. (Comp for cofield) Jaye Howard DT Florida- Nice looking penetrating DT, who would fit nicely into a Rotation, and specifically seems like a DT that would be perfect fit next to run stuffing Joseph..</P>


5. Ryan Miller G Colorado- Was presumed to be a 2nd rder earlier in season, and has fell a bit, but reese knows value, and this late in the 5th, would be a steal...</P>


6.Sean Cattouse SS Cal- I like this kid alot as a sleeper.. A sure tackler, who hits hard, has great size, and moves around nicely on the field.. Could be nice replacement for Deon Grant possibly..</P>


6. (Comp for boss) Scott Solomon DE Rice- Another Sleeper i like alot.. Bigtime motor and had productive season, and a very nice combine to boot... </P>


7. Carson Wiggs K Purdue- This kid can kick, and was very accurate, and made some big boomers in his career with the boilermakers, which includes a 59yrder.. I don't like Tynes at all, and would love competiton for him..</P>

nycsportzfan
03-11-2012, 11:20 PM
I have no idea if were trading OSI by the way, just saying if we did, we could have a great draft, and for a guy who was yet again injured a huge part of the season and is another yr older, it would be a great idea in my mind..

TheEnigma
03-11-2012, 11:34 PM
Since people here in the Draft section seem to understand football a bit better than in the TAGF section, I'll ask my James Brewer question here. Is it possible that we saw very little of Brewer because they are in the process of molding him into a LT? I just find it hard to believe that after the season McKenzie had that Brewer couldn't dethrone him from the RT position. It's also usually a long process to transition from the side you are used to so I think it's a realistic possibility. If so, do you think that it would put a larger need at the RT position and put us into play for someone like Bobby Massie? Let me know what you think whether it's a legitimate theory or if I'm trying to convince myself Brewer is better than he really is. Redeye can vouch, i was* a big James Brewer guy, and hes the guy i hoped for when our pick came up in RD 4,*** so i'll say what i've said back then, which is, that James Brewer tops out as a LT..* Hes obviously got the size and arm length to keep premier pass rushers from getting the edge, but also very good athletic ability, especially for a man his size..* Now,* lets not forget Beatty was playing well before his injury, and i don't think he looks like he'd be a good RT, so unless injury, i see Brewer as a RT, but i think its possible if need be, that James Brewer be a very good LT in this league..* I'd of taken James Brewer over the guy the STEELERS took in RD 2, personally... Thats how good i think Brewer is.. I think we got a 2nd rd talent in RD 4...Yeah, I hear you on Beatty man. I have no qualms with his playing ability like most people on this board (no idea why) but the biggest knack is his ability to play a full season so far. He just gets dinged up too often and gets the freakiest ones too (unattached retina, wtf). I thought it was an alternate possibility that they could draft a RT this year and also pick one up in FA since that would be the cheapest route to go. I'm not the biggest Diehl fan at this point and think he should be cut or at least take a pay cut to stay on the bench but we do need depth at the tackle positions and thought perhaps that this idea here would be the cheaper and more efficient way to handle it since RT's aren't as hefty on the cap. Just a random thought that entered my head.

TheEnigma
03-11-2012, 11:40 PM
*I have no idea if were trading OSI by the way, just saying if we did, we could have a great draft, and for a guy who was yet again injured a huge part of the season and is another yr older, it would be a great idea in my mind..I'd be fine with trading Osi but if we were, I'd probably feel more comfortable about it if we drafted a DE earlier who could potentially have the same pass rushing capabilities if he developed like Osi.

nycsportzfan
03-11-2012, 11:46 PM
Since people here in the Draft section seem to understand football a bit better than in the TAGF section, I'll ask my James Brewer question here. Is it possible that we saw very little of Brewer because they are in the process of molding him into a LT? I just find it hard to believe that after the season McKenzie had that Brewer couldn't dethrone him from the RT position. It's also usually a long process to transition from the side you are used to so I think it's a realistic possibility. If so, do you think that it would put a larger need at the RT position and put us into play for someone like Bobby Massie? Let me know what you think whether it's a legitimate theory or if I'm trying to convince myself Brewer is better than he really is. Redeye can vouch, i was a big James Brewer guy, and hes the guy i hoped for when our pick came up in RD 4, so i'll say what i've said back then, which is, that James Brewer tops out as a LT.. Hes obviously got the size and arm length to keep premier pass rushers from getting the edge, but also very good athletic ability, especially for a man his size.. Now, lets not forget Beatty was playing well before his injury, and i don't think he looks like he'd be a good RT, so unless injury, i see Brewer as a RT, but i think its possible if need be, that James Brewer be a very good LT in this league.. I'd of taken James Brewer over the guy the STEELERS took in RD 2, personally... Thats how good i think Brewer is.. I think we got a 2nd rd talent in RD 4...Yeah, I hear you on Beatty man. I have no qualms with his playing ability like most people on this board (no idea why) but the biggest knack is his ability to play a full season so far. He just gets dinged up too often and gets the freakiest ones too (unattached retina, wtf). I thought it was an alternate possibility that they could draft a RT this year and also pick one up in FA since that would be the cheapest route to go. I'm not the biggest Diehl fan at this point and think he should be cut or at least take a pay cut to stay on the bench but we do need depth at the tackle positions and thought perhaps that this idea here would be the cheaper and more efficient way to handle it since RT's aren't as hefty on the cap. Just a random thought that entered my head. Ya, beatty is injury prone, which is good that Brewers tapped out potential is that of a LT... I'm also not a huge Diehl guy anymore, and believe in getting rid of guys a yr early instead of a yr late(hence, why i'd trade OSI now, instead of have overpaid DE whos always hurt and tends to be invisible more and more on roster), and i think Diehl for one more season of Starting is possibly to late for him.. I think Petrus was our best "VALUE" pick the yr he came out, and also think hes got the goods to be a very solid G in this league given a legit chance.. We can find cheap Depth in FA'cy or in mid to late rds of the draft as well...

nycsportzfan
03-11-2012, 11:50 PM
I have no idea if were trading OSI by the way, just saying if we did, we could have a great draft, and for a guy who was yet again injured a huge part of the season and is another yr older, it would be a great idea in my mind..I'd be fine with trading Osi but if we were, I'd probably feel more comfortable about it if we drafted a DE earlier who could potentially have the same pass rushing capabilities if he developed like Osi. If i was GM, i'd resign Tollefson, and draft a DE early if the value was right, and if not, i'd consider moving Kiwi back to DE, or if hes capable, use em standing up a bit and with his hand in the dirt, on occasion..Of course if the value is right in the draft at DE and u get a guy like Andre Branch, then of course, i'd just keep Kiwi at LB, but if not, i'm fine having a DE rotation of Tuck, JPP, Kiwi, Tollefson, and possibly a Mid-Late rd guy like Scott Solomon...

TheEnigma
03-11-2012, 11:59 PM
*I have no idea if were trading OSI by the way, just saying if we did, we could have a great draft, and for a guy who was yet again injured a huge part of the season and is another yr older, it would be a great idea in my mind..I'd be fine with trading Osi but if we were, I'd probably feel more comfortable about it if we drafted a DE earlier who could potentially have the same pass rushing capabilities if he developed like Osi.* If i was GM,* i'd resign Tollefson, and draft a DE early if the value was right, and if not, i'd consider moving Kiwi back to DE, or if hes capable, use em standing up a bit and with his hand in the dirt, on occasion..****Of course if the value is right in the draft at DE and u get a guy like Andre Branch, then of course, i'd just keep Kiwi at LB, but if not, i'm fine having a DE rotation of Tuck, JPP, Kiwi, Tollefson, and possibly a Mid-Late rd guy like Scott Solomon...*What I think is a real possibility is that they end up letting Osi play the last year in his contract and then let him go to his final team and probably take someone like Brandon Jenkins from FSU in the 2013 draft. He has that same quickness and edge rushing ability like Osi has.

BlueSanta
03-12-2012, 12:03 AM
Rd 2) Doug Martin - (RB, Boise St) Probably my favorite RB in the draft. I love the way he plays, and I agree wholly that he's the next in the MJD/Ray Rice line. He runs with the authoritah to in some part replace Brandon Jacobs... while also being a natural pass catcher. Not the home run-threat that Miller and Wilson are, which I think will hurt him. Unless he's a prototypical feature back, teams just don't seem to want to go with a "steady" back like Martin. Between that and the falling stock of the RB, I could definitely see him being a steal at 64



Rd 6) Random FSU freak that only Jerry Reese knows about. You know its going to happen.




Ill respond to these 2.

1) Because a guy is rated as a "2nd round prospect" does not mean he will fall to the last pick in the 2nd round. He will be gone by then.

2) Instead of "FSU" I think you mean "USF"

Raptor22
03-12-2012, 09:17 AM
Rd 2) Doug Martin - (RB, Boise St) Probably my favorite RB in the draft. I love the way he plays, and I agree wholly that he's the next in the MJD/Ray Rice line. He runs with the authoritah to in some part replace Brandon Jacobs... while also being a natural pass catcher. Not the home run-threat that Miller and Wilson are, which I think will hurt him. Unless he's a prototypical feature back, teams just don't seem to want to go with a "steady" back like Martin. Between that and the falling stock of the RB, I could definitely see him being a steal at 64



Rd 6) Random FSU freak that only Jerry Reese knows about. You know its going to happen.




Ill respond to these 2.

1) Because a guy is rated as a "2nd round prospect" does not mean he will fall to the last pick in the 2nd round. He will be gone by then.

2) Instead of "FSU" I think you mean "USF"


That was my 'best case scenario'. I've learned never to underestimate GMs' abilities to talk themselves out of a pick... just look at Prince, JPP, Marvin Austin, or Chad Jones. I'm not saying Martin WILL fall to 32, I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me, and if he's there he should be the pick (unless GM's let someone even better fall). Likewise, I recognize that he SHOULD go before 64, and would gladly take Robert Turbin later on.

Also, I didn't say it, but taking Perry allows for Osi to be traded for another 2nd rounded (I'm thinking Buffalo). Martin could be had there.

And yeah, that's exactly what I meant... my fingers got confused lol.

TuckYou
03-12-2012, 07:03 PM
What time does the draft start? 7pm?

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 07:34 PM
I have no idea if were trading OSI by the way, just saying if we did, we could have a great draft, and for a guy who was yet again injured a huge part of the season and is another yr older, it would be a great idea in my mind..I'd be fine with trading Osi but if we were, I'd probably feel more comfortable about it if we drafted a DE earlier who could potentially have the same pass rushing capabilities if he developed like Osi. If i was GM, i'd resign Tollefson, and draft a DE early if the value was right, and if not, i'd consider moving Kiwi back to DE, or if hes capable, use em standing up a bit and with his hand in the dirt, on occasion..Of course if the value is right in the draft at DE and u get a guy like Andre Branch, then of course, i'd just keep Kiwi at LB, but if not, i'm fine having a DE rotation of Tuck, JPP, Kiwi, Tollefson, and possibly a Mid-Late rd guy like Scott Solomon...What I think is a real possibility is that they end up letting Osi play the last year in his contract and then let him go to his final team and probably take someone like Brandon Jenkins from FSU in the 2013 draft. He has that same quickness and edge rushing ability like Osi has.Brandon Jenkins is a stud and I actually think he'll do really well in the NFL. There's a DE on the other side by the name of Bjorn Werner who's pretty damn good himself. They might have the best D-Line in the country this year. Btw, nice job on your SIG, lol

nycsportzfan
03-12-2012, 07:41 PM
I have no idea if were trading OSI by the way, just saying if we did, we could have a great draft, and for a guy who was yet again injured a huge part of the season and is another yr older, it would be a great idea in my mind..I'd be fine with trading Osi but if we were, I'd probably feel more comfortable about it if we drafted a DE earlier who could potentially have the same pass rushing capabilities if he developed like Osi. If i was GM, i'd resign Tollefson, and draft a DE early if the value was right, and if not, i'd consider moving Kiwi back to DE, or if hes capable, use em standing up a bit and with his hand in the dirt, on occasion..Of course if the value is right in the draft at DE and u get a guy like Andre Branch, then of course, i'd just keep Kiwi at LB, but if not, i'm fine having a DE rotation of Tuck, JPP, Kiwi, Tollefson, and possibly a Mid-Late rd guy like Scott Solomon...What I think is a real possibility is that they end up letting Osi play the last year in his contract and then let him go to his final team and probably take someone like Brandon Jenkins from FSU in the 2013 draft. He has that same quickness and edge rushing ability like Osi has. The only thing is, how will OSI act if he dosen't get a new contract? Will he hold out? U never know with OSI.. SOmething tells me, hes gonna be a big baby if he dosen't get a new contract..

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 07:46 PM
<font size="2"><span dir="ltr" class="title" title="Devon Still highlights - extended version">Devon Still highlights - extended version</span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDJFa270SQc&amp;feature=related)

<span dir="ltr" class="title" title="Brandon Boykin (UGA Highlights) - Thank You Brandon!!">Brandon Boykin (UGA Highlights) </span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9cXz8ebzo&amp;feature=related)

<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>2012 NFL Prospect Highlights: Josh Robinson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rho61eKRam8)

<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>Robert Turbin in BEAST MODE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5VdZ9PWUg)</font>

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 07:52 PM
<font size="2">Somebody who knows a thing or two about the salary cap, explain this to me. <span class="tl">Cowboys, Redskins penalized for overspending (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=washington+redskins+dallas+cowboy s+penalized+news&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&amp;u rl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2F2012%2F03%2F 12%2F2690290%2Fcowboys-redskins-penalized-for.html&amp;ei=LoteT67GOrGo0AGu34zJBw&amp;usg=AFQjCNH2DiI aXy3fO-acejikEHVLaPkC5g&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 08:14 PM
Alrighty, I guess its time I threw down a short mock:

Rd 1) Nick Perry - (DE/OLB, USC). Not my favorite DL in the draft, or even my favorite DE. However, I think the depth at DL will push him down to 32. Likewise, I think the versitility of guys like Andre Branch, Melvin Ingram, Upshaw, and Mercilus will get them taken before Perry, who I see as strictly a DE (I don't see the hips to be able to drop back into coverage)

As of RIGHT NOW, I think Mercilus is the better/more ready DE. However, a year from now, after spending time learning from Tuck and Osi, Perry could be better. Perry's long, at 6'5", with LONG arms (something JR ALWAYS looks for). He has a ridiculous first step (fastest in the combine, IIRC). In my own humble opinion, the only thing I think Perry needs is coaching. He's got all the tools to be a suitable successor to Justin Tuck, and like Mayock, I think he's a natural LDE, who has the ability to get after the QB while defending the run. Perry and JPP could terrorize QB's for years to come.

Rd 2) Doug Martin - (RB, Boise St) Probably my favorite RB in the draft. I love the way he plays, and I agree wholly that he's the next in the MJD/Ray Rice line. He runs with the authoritah to in some part replace Brandon Jacobs... while also being a natural pass catcher. Not the home run-threat that Miller and Wilson are, which I think will hurt him. Unless he's a prototypical feature back, teams just don't seem to want to go with a "steady" back like Martin. Between that and the falling stock of the RB, I could definitely see him being a steal at 64

Rd 3) Audie Cole - (LB, NC State). This guy is a prototyical Giants draft choice. Tall, long, athletic, versatile, and productive. He can play inside or outside, which will be useful going forward if Goff can't/isn't re-signed, or if Osi is traded and Kiwi needs to play DE (again). Beyond that, I think that with some coaching/seasoning, he could be one of the best LB's in the draft. I just love the way he moves... kinda reminds me of a white Patrick Willis (just eye-test, nobody get their knickers in a knot)

Rd 4) James Brown (T/G, Troy): JR's typical mid-round OL steal. Another Giants prototype, with freakishly long arms and great athleticism. Despite coming from a small school, he comported himself well whenever faced by high-level competition. A former tackle who will probably have to kick inside to guard, he did very well in the pulling drill at the combine (good skill to have for a Giants lineman). He can also sub at RT, if necessary.

Rd 5) Marcel Jones (T, Nebraska). Big, Tall, and he's got a fro. I thought he performed well in the combine. Not the fastest guy (at all), but he's got size and I thought he did well in the on-field drills. Also, he REALLY reminds me of Julius (Samuel L. Jackson's character from Pulp Fiction). Isn't that reason enough?

Rd 6) Random FSU freak that only Jerry Reese knows about. You know its going to happen.

Rd 7) Kellen Moore (QB, Boise St.) Three reasons for this one: 1) Winningest college QB ever. 2) JR has shown a couple times that he WANTS to draft a QB, groom him behind Eli. Either to grow a backup in-house, or flip for better picks down the road (IE: Kolb). 3) Could be drafting our future OC. Because of his physical limitations, he probably understands the game better than anyone in the draft, including Andrew Luck. He HAS to. The comment was made during the combine: If Moore doesn't make it as a QB, he very well could get into coaching. Why not grow our own (now THAT's continuity)

(Note: if Martin isn't available in the 2nd, I'd go with Kevin Zietler (G-Wisconsin) in the 2nd, and Robert Turbin in the 4th (Dough Martin clone... little less shifty, but dude's got GUNS (http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2012/03/08/sp-turbin09_PH1_WRE0107122227.jpg)! and from what I've heard a big chip on his shoulder. Two things we want)

Okay, feel free to mock my mock
Mock looks pretty solid- I think Cole might be a little bit of a reach in RD 3 but I could be wrong. Also, not a fan of Kellen Moore in RD 7 and don't think the Giants are either. I just don't see a future for this guy in the NFL, maybe the CFL. Barely 6"0, weak arm, limited mobility, &amp; was never really battle tested (weak conference).

BlueSanta
03-12-2012, 08:43 PM
<font size="2"><span dir="ltr" class="title" title="Devon Still highlights - extended version">Devon Still highlights - extended version</span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDJFa270SQc&amp;feature=related)

<span dir="ltr" class="title" title="Brandon Boykin (UGA Highlights) - Thank You Brandon!!">Brandon Boykin (UGA Highlights) </span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9cXz8ebzo&amp;feature=related)

<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>2012 NFL Prospect Highlights: Josh Robinson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rho61eKRam8)

<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>Robert Turbin in BEAST MODE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5VdZ9PWUg)</font>


I know some have his stock dropping of late. But, I still think Devon is my favorite DT prospect in this draft.

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 09:15 PM
<font size="2"><span dir="ltr" class="title" title="Devon Still highlights - extended version">Devon Still highlights - extended version</span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDJFa270SQc&amp;feature=related)

<span dir="ltr" class="title" title="Brandon Boykin (UGA Highlights) - Thank You Brandon!!">Brandon Boykin (UGA Highlights) </span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9cXz8ebzo&amp;feature=related)

<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>2012 NFL Prospect Highlights: Josh Robinson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rho61eKRam8)

<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>Robert Turbin in BEAST MODE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5VdZ9PWUg)</font>


I know some have his stock dropping of late. But, I still think Devon is my favorite DT prospect in this draft.
Brockers and Poe will be gone, Fletcher Cox has got to be up there w/ Still. Devon Still isn't gonna get a team many sacks, but he'll command double teams &amp; clog up rushing lanes. Some have compared him to a poor man's Suh.

TheEnigma
03-12-2012, 09:27 PM
<font size="2">Somebody who knows a thing or two about the salary cap, explain this to me. <span class="tl">Cowboys, Redskins penalized for overspending (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=washington+redskins+dallas+cowboys+penalized+new s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2F2012%2F03%2 F12%2F2690290%2Fcowboys-redskins-penalized-for.html&ei=LoteT67GOrGo0AGu34zJBw&usg=AFQjCNH2DiIaXy3fO-acejikEHVLaPkC5g&cad=rja)</span></font>Think that the NFL warned teams not to have too many front loaded contracts for the 10-11 season since it was "pushing the rules" per say to avoid cap issues in future seasons. The Cowboys and Redskins were the biggest offenders by far.

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 09:36 PM
<font size="2">Somebody who knows a thing or two about the salary cap, explain this to me. <span class="tl">Cowboys, Redskins penalized for overspending (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=washington+redskins+dallas+cowboy s+penalized+news&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&amp;u rl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2F2012%2F03%2F 12%2F2690290%2Fcowboys-redskins-penalized-for.html&amp;ei=LoteT67GOrGo0AGu34zJBw&amp;usg=AFQjCNH2DiI aXy3fO-acejikEHVLaPkC5g&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>Think that the NFL warned teams not to have too many front loaded contracts for the 10-11 season since it was "pushing the rules" per say to avoid cap issues in future seasons. The Cowboys and Redskins were the biggest offenders by far.Cowboys lose 10 million, Skins 36 million. That's a lot of money man for "pushing the rules". Not that I care, but after signing RG3 to his contract, they won't have much more money to play w/ after that.

TheEnigma
03-12-2012, 09:46 PM
<font size="2">Somebody who knows a thing or two about the salary cap, explain this to me. <span class="tl">Cowboys, Redskins penalized for overspending (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=washington+redskins+dallas+cowboys+penalized+new s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDEQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2F2012%2F03%2 F12%2F2690290%2Fcowboys-redskins-penalized-for.html&ei=LoteT67GOrGo0AGu34zJBw&usg=AFQjCNH2DiIaXy3fO-acejikEHVLaPkC5g&cad=rja)</span></font>Think that the NFL warned teams not to have too many front loaded contracts for the 10-11 season since it was "pushing the rules" per say to avoid cap issues in future seasons. The Cowboys and Redskins were the biggest offenders by far.Cowboys lose 10 million, Skins 36 million. That's a lot of money man for "pushing the rules". Not that I care, but after signing RG3 to his contract, they won't have much more money to play w/ after that.
Isn't that the year they signed Haynesworth? Must of really front loaded that contract of his I guess.

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 09:49 PM
<font size="2">The Giants already have their slot, speed ball receiver in Jerrel Jernigan but thought I'd throw this guy's name in the mix. WR T.Y. Hilton ran a 4.34 twice on his pro day and looked pretty impressive according to scouts. I can see a team drafting Hilton somewhere in the mid-rounds much like Florida RB Chris Rainey. Both of those guys are mid rounders IMO and would be steals if they dropped into the late rounds. <span class="tl">TY Hilton shows off speed for scouts at FIU Pro Day (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=ty+hilton+pro+day+news&amp;source=web &amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CB4QqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamihe rald.com%2F2012%2F03%2F09%2F2685353%2Fty-hilton-shows-off-speed-for.html&amp;ei=IaJeT6CpDYLF0AHar_DFBw&amp;usg=AFQjCNEXCrt WMA45KfYfGf9sb9zDLjJVfw&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>

TuckYou
03-12-2012, 09:55 PM
So no one knows what time this thing starts?

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 10:18 PM
<font size="2">Video of LB Vontaze Burfict, "I'm the best linebacker in this draft". http://www.baltimoreravens.com/media...5d2752a77f3bfb (http://www.baltimoreravens.com/media_library/Videos/2012/02/Burfict_Im_The_Best_Linebacker_In_The_Draft.aspx?i d=03f21616e80d4c07945d2752a77f3bfb)</font>

Raptor22
03-12-2012, 10:18 PM
So no one knows what time this thing starts?

after a quick looksee on NFL.com: 8:00pm April 26.

heavyhitter
03-12-2012, 10:32 PM
<h3 id="yui_3_4_1_1_1331691267357_549" class="headline"><font size="4">First Draft: Doug Martin (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d8278c831/First-Draft-Doug-Martin)</font></h3>

TuckYou
03-12-2012, 11:51 PM
So no one knows what time this thing starts?

after a quick looksee on NFL.com: 8:00pm April 26.


Reason I asked was because I saw 2 different times and had something planned that night.

heavyhitter
03-13-2012, 02:30 AM
<h4>2012 NFL Draft Prospect Profiles: Mark Barron, S,Alabama (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/2/14/2795822/2012-nfl-draft-prospect-profiles-mark-barron-s-alabama)</h4><h4>2012 NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Harrison Smith, SS, NotreDame (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/3/8/2843209/2012-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-harrison-smith-ss-notre-dame)</h4><h4>2012 NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Brandon Boykin, CB,Georgia (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/3/9/2850205/2012-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-brandon-boykin-cb-georgia)</h4><h4>2012 NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Chandler Jones, DE,Syracuse (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/3/11/2860950/2012-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-chandler-jones-de-syracuse)</h4><h4>2012 NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Amini Silatolu, OG, MidwesternState (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/3/12/2861003/2012-nfl-draft-prospect-profile-amini-silatolu-og-midwestern-state)</h4>


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BlueSanta
03-13-2012, 02:59 AM
<font size="2"><span dir="ltr" class="title" title="Devon Still highlights - extended version">Devon Still highlights - extended version</span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDJFa270SQc&amp;feature=related)

<span dir="ltr" class="title" title="Brandon Boykin (UGA Highlights) - Thank You Brandon!!">Brandon Boykin (UGA Highlights) </span> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ9cXz8ebzo&amp;feature=related)

<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>2012 NFL Prospect Highlights: Josh Robinson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rho61eKRam8)

<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span>Robert Turbin in BEAST MODE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5VdZ9PWUg)</font>


I know some have his stock dropping of late. But, I still think Devon is my favorite DT prospect in this draft.
Brockers and Poe will be gone, Fletcher Cox has got to be up there w/ Still. Devon Still isn't gonna get a team many sacks, but he'll command double teams &amp; clog up rushing lanes. Some have compared him to a poor man's Suh.


I have read multiple rumors that Brockers is dropping like a stone because of his performance at the combine. He came in bigger than expected(322 lbs) , lifted way less than expected(19 reps) and ran in the bottom 3 of the DLman(5.33 40yd and 1.77 split), and showed very little explosion in the jump drills(8.9 braod and 26.5 vert). His long arms will be his saving grace.

But, dont be surprised if he drops to the mid/late 1st round.

nycsportzfan
03-13-2012, 06:08 AM
<FONT size=2>The Giants already have their slot, speed ball receiver in Jerrel Jernigan but thought I'd throw this guy's name in the mix. WR T.Y. Hilton ran a 4.34 twice on his pro day and looked pretty impressive according to scouts. I can see a team drafting Hilton somewhere in the mid-rounds much like Florida RB Chris Rainey. Both of those guys are mid rounders IMO and would be steals if they dropped into the late rounds. <SPAN class=tl>TY Hilton shows off speed for scouts at FIU Pro Day (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=ty+hilton+pro+day+news&amp;source=web &amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CB4QqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamihe rald.com%2F2012%2F03%2F09%2F2685353%2Fty-hilton-shows-off-speed-for.html&amp;ei=IaJeT6CpDYLF0AHar_DFBw&amp;usg=AFQjCNEXCrt WMA45KfYfGf9sb9zDLjJVfw&amp;cad=rja)</SPAN></FONT> I think Jerrnigan was way better then Hilton, so i agree, we got are slot/speed guy from the sun belt... Jerrnigan got a raw deal from a shaky preseason, but i'm expecting him to emerge this season...

nycsportzfan
03-13-2012, 06:17 AM
<H3 class=headline id=yui_3_4_1_1_1331691267357_549><FONT size=4>First Draft: Doug Martin (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d8278c831/First-Draft-Doug-Martin)</FONT></H3> As probably Doug Martins biggest fan, its kinda hard to like this guy anymore then i have, but i gotta say, I actually found alittle room to like em just a bit more after watching that.. The guy comes off as confident but not overly ****y, and just seems like a good kid.. As i've said before, hes the complete package, with Balance, can cut on a dime, power, catching ability, breakaway speed, burst, blocking ability..etc, and as he said, hes in the mold of a Ray Rice, and i will add MJD as well.. I've said that all along... I've called this kid the 2nd best back in this draft for a couple months now, and i stand by that.. I'd take him in the late 1st, and be totally confident in what i'm gonna get production wise outta him, as far as living up that pick... I was watching some film on him just the other day again, and its sickening, how much he brings to the table.. There is really nothing he lacks as a RB...

nycsportzfan
03-13-2012, 06:28 AM
Who is this kid, and how the hell'd he put up that many reps on the bench???lol</P>


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2012 NFL Draft Pro Day Notes:

Alex Hoffman-Ellis, OLB, Washington State: Washington State wasn't going to draw much attention this year, but Alex Hoffman-Ellis put on a show. He ran a 4.54 at 6-0, 233, and somehow managed to post 36 reps of 225. He could be a late-round pick with upside.
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nycsportzfan
03-13-2012, 06:33 AM
Tony Pauline of SI reports that his sources say that Mike Adams OT Ohio St is the "apple of the steelers eye"..lol Now, if that dosen't go to show u that teams covet certain players, then i don't know what does.. I mean, Mike Adams just seems like a STEELER type player, in every which way.. If i made a thread " Prospects u think steelers will covet", Mike Adams would top the chart.. I love the freaking draft!

Raptor22
03-13-2012, 08:54 AM
<h3 class="headline" id="yui_3_4_1_1_1331691267357_549"><font size="4">First Draft: Doug Martin (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d8278c831/First-Draft-Doug-Martin)</font></h3> As probably Doug Martins biggest fan, its kinda hard to like this guy anymore then i have, but i gotta say, I actually found alittle room to like em just a bit more after watching that.. The guy comes off as confident but not overly ****y, and just seems like a good kid.. As i've said before, hes the complete package, with Balance, can cut on a dime, power, catching ability, breakaway speed, burst, blocking ability..etc, and as he said, hes in the mold of a Ray Rice, and i will add MJD as well.. I've said that all along... I've called this kid the 2nd best back in this draft for a couple months now, and i stand by that.. I'd take him in the late 1st, and be totally confident in what i'm gonna get production wise outta him, as far as living up that pick... I was watching some film on him just the other day again, and its sickening, how much he brings to the table.. There is really nothing he lacks as a RB...

the ONLY thing you could say Martin lacks is "Elite" breakaway speed (ie: Chris Johnson, LaMicheal James, Da'Rell Scott).

Its a lame excuse not to draft him, considering how much else he brings to the table.

I'd LOVE to see him in Blue next year, but if not, I'm perfectly fine with drafting Robert Turbin too [;)]

heavyhitter
03-13-2012, 09:03 AM
<h3 class="headline" id="yui_3_4_1_1_1331691267357_549"><font size="4">First Draft: Doug Martin (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d8278c831/First-Draft-Doug-Martin)</font></h3> As probably Doug Martins biggest fan, its kinda hard to like this guy anymore then i have, but i gotta say, I actually found alittle room to like em just a bit more after watching that.. The guy comes off as confident but not overly ****y, and just seems like a good kid.. As i've said before, hes the complete package, with Balance, can cut on a dime, power, catching ability, breakaway speed, burst, blocking ability..etc, and as he said, hes in the mold of a Ray Rice, and i will add MJD as well.. I've said that all along... I've called this kid the 2nd best back in this draft for a couple months now, and i stand by that.. I'd take him in the late 1st, and be totally confident in what i'm gonna get production wise outta him, as far as living up that pick... I was watching some film on him just the other day again, and its sickening, how much he brings to the table.. There is really nothing he lacks as a RB...

the ONLY thing you could say Martin lacks is "Elite" breakaway speed (ie: Chris Johnson, LaMicheal James, Da'Rell Scott).

Its a lame excuse not to draft him, considering how much else he brings to the table.

I'd LOVE to see him in Blue next year, but if not, <font size="4">I'm perfectly fine with drafting Robert Turbin too</font> [;)]Turbin is projected to go somewhere in the mid rounds, right?

heavyhitter
03-13-2012, 09:05 AM
http://i.imgur.com/3alzR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/13p1l.jpg

heavyhitter
03-13-2012, 09:48 AM
<h2 id="post-96443"><font size="2">Childs impresses at Arkansas proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/childs-impresses-at-arkansas-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96466"><font size="2">Kirkpatrick wows during Alabama’s proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/kirkpatrick-wows-during-alabamas-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96549"><font size="2">Wilson d***les, Konz sits at Wisconsin proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/wilson-d***les-konz-sits-at-wisconsin-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96555"><font size="2">USC proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/kalil-shows-of-length-at-usc-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96572"><font size="2">Fletcher cements status at Mississippi State proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/fletcher-cements-status-at-mississippi-state-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96575"><font size="2">Mayock: Clemson trio didn’t disappoint at proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/mayock-clemson-trio-didnt-disappoint-at-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96722"><font size="2">Pro day roundup: Mississippi, Northwestern,Ohio (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/10/pro-day-roundup-mississippi-northwestern-ohio/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96747"><font size="2">Crick shows strength at Nebraska proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/12/crick-shows-strength-at-nebraska-pro-day/)</font></h2>

BlueSanta
03-13-2012, 06:57 PM
<h2 id="post-96443"><font size="2">Childs impresses at Arkansas proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/childs-impresses-at-arkansas-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96466"><font size="2">Kirkpatrick wows during Alabama’s proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/kirkpatrick-wows-during-alabamas-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96549"><font size="2">Wilson d***les, Konz sits at Wisconsin proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/wilson-d***les-konz-sits-at-wisconsin-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96555"><font size="2">USC proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/kalil-shows-of-length-at-usc-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96572"><font size="2">Fletcher cements status at Mississippi State proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/fletcher-cements-status-at-mississippi-state-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96575"><font size="2">Mayock: Clemson trio didn’t disappoint at proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/mayock-clemson-trio-didnt-disappoint-at-pro-day/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96722"><font size="2">Pro day roundup: Mississippi, Northwestern,Ohio (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/10/pro-day-roundup-mississippi-northwestern-ohio/)</font></h2><h2 id="post-96747"><font size="2">Crick shows strength at Nebraska proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/12/crick-shows-strength-at-nebraska-pro-day/)</font></h2>

In the other thread about players we like for the Giants, I mentioned Childs because to me, he is 1 of a few mid/late round prospects who are considered "outside" guys, which is what I feel we need.

After the 1st round talents, this Wr class is strongest in guys who would line up in the slot. I feel it would be a shame to remove Cruz from that role since he is the best slot guy in the NFL. A guy like Childs is a mid round option to help fill MM's shoes.

nycsportzfan
03-14-2012, 07:34 AM
<H3 class=headline id=yui_3_4_1_1_1331691267357_549><FONT size=4>First Draft: Doug Martin (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d8278c831/First-Draft-Doug-Martin)</FONT></H3>


As probably Doug Martins biggest fan, its kinda hard to like this guy anymore then i have, but i gotta say, I actually found alittle room to like em just a bit more after watching that.. The guy comes off as confident but not overly ****y, and just seems like a good kid.. As i've said before, hes the complete package, with Balance, can cut on a dime, power, catching ability, breakaway speed, burst, blocking ability..etc, and as he said, hes in the mold of a Ray Rice, and i will add MJD as well.. I've said that all along... I've called this kid the 2nd best back in this draft for a couple months now, and i stand by that.. I'd take him in the late 1st, and be totally confident in what i'm gonna get production wise outta him, as far as living up that pick... I was watching some film on him just the other day again, and its sickening, how much he brings to the table.. There is really nothing he lacks as a RB...

the ONLY thing you could say Martin lacks is "Elite" breakaway speed (ie: Chris Johnson, LaMicheal James, Da'Rell Scott).

Its a lame excuse not to draft him, considering how much else he brings to the table.

I'd LOVE to see him in Blue next year, but if not, I'm perfectly fine with drafting Robert Turbin too [;)]
Oh, i dissagree.. Hes totally got break away speed.. Even in this paticular play, which is off a little dump off pass, he still gets to full speed and bursn the secondary like nothing.. Also, i've seen him just fly on KO's, including the Opening KO against Arz St in bowl game... Even off contact, he still bairly breaks stride and can get to top gear so quickly, its scary..</P>



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<TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 5px" vAlign=top><FONT color=#1111cc>Doug Martin Another Crazy Run 84 Yard TD Vs. Utah - YouTube</FONT> (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXL8WK-U879w&amp;sa=U&amp;ei=t4FgT-GSI-X50gGx-5SnBw&amp;ved=0CBAQtwIwAA&amp;usg=AFQjCNHLGLS3SzSWlqIpRZky QfjUDauomA)
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nycsportzfan
03-14-2012, 07:37 AM
<H3 class=headline id=yui_3_4_1_1_1331691267357_549><FONT size=4>First Draft: Doug Martin (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d8278c831/First-Draft-Doug-Martin)</FONT></H3>


As probably Doug Martins biggest fan, its kinda hard to like this guy anymore then i have, but i gotta say, I actually found alittle room to like em just a bit more after watching that.. The guy comes off as confident but not overly ****y, and just seems like a good kid.. As i've said before, hes the complete package, with Balance, can cut on a dime, power, catching ability, breakaway speed, burst, blocking ability..etc, and as he said, hes in the mold of a Ray Rice, and i will add MJD as well.. I've said that all along... I've called this kid the 2nd best back in this draft for a couple months now, and i stand by that.. I'd take him in the late 1st, and be totally confident in what i'm gonna get production wise outta him, as far as living up that pick... I was watching some film on him just the other day again, and its sickening, how much he brings to the table.. There is really nothing he lacks as a RB...

the ONLY thing you could say Martin lacks is "Elite" breakaway speed (ie: Chris Johnson, LaMicheal James, Da'Rell Scott).

Its a lame excuse not to draft him, considering how much else he brings to the table.

I'd LOVE to see him in Blue next year, but if not, I'm perfectly fine with drafting Robert Turbin too [;)]
Oh, i dissagree.. Hes totally got break away speed.. Even in this paticular play, which is off a little dump off pass, he still gets to full speed and bursn the secondary like nothing.. Also, i've seen him just fly on KO's, including the Opening KO against Arz St in bowl game... Even off contact, he still bairly breaks stride and can get to top gear so quickly, its scary..</P>



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<TD style="PADDING-RIGHT: 10px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 5px" vAlign=top><FONT color=#1111cc>Doug Martin Another Crazy Run 84 Yard TD Vs. Utah - YouTube</FONT> (http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXL8WK-U879w&amp;sa=U&amp;ei=t4FgT-GSI-X50gGx-5SnBw&amp;ved=0CBAQtwIwAA&amp;usg=AFQjCNHLGLS3SzSWlqIpRZky QfjUDauomA)
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whoops, that TD i pasted was off a run play, this one is where he does it on a dumpoff.. I know highlight films are dudes best plays, but please watch this DOUG MARTIn highlight film!!! I beg u!!!!!lol Its just a complete back, to the fullest definition! The balance, explosion, hands, speed, is incredible!</P>
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nycsportzfan
03-14-2012, 07:42 AM
<H2 id=post-96443><FONT size=2>Childs impresses at Arkansas proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/childs-impresses-at-arkansas-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96466><FONT size=2>Kirkpatrick wows during Alabama’s proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/kirkpatrick-wows-during-alabamas-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96549><FONT size=2>Wilson d***les, Konz sits at Wisconsin proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/wilson-d***les-konz-sits-at-wisconsin-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96555><FONT size=2>USC proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/kalil-shows-of-length-at-usc-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96572><FONT size=2>Fletcher cements status at Mississippi State proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/fletcher-cements-status-at-mississippi-state-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96575><FONT size=2>Mayock: Clemson trio didn’t disappoint at proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/mayock-clemson-trio-didnt-disappoint-at-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96722><FONT size=2>Pro day roundup: Mississippi, Northwestern,Ohio (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/10/pro-day-roundup-mississippi-northwestern-ohio/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96747><FONT size=2>Crick shows strength at Nebraska proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/12/crick-shows-strength-at-nebraska-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>




In the other thread about players we like for the Giants, I mentioned Childs because to me, he is 1 of a few mid/late round prospects who are considered "outside" guys, which is what I feel we need.

After the 1st round talents, this Wr class is strongest in guys who would line up in the slot. I feel it would be a shame to remove Cruz from that role since he is the best slot guy in the NFL. A guy like Childs is a mid round option to help fill MM's shoes.
I freaking love childs.. Hes exactly the type of player Reese gets, because Reese just gets it, and realizes Childs was a borderline 1st rder, at least 2nd rder going into this season, but injuries really hampered his season, but Reese i'm sure realizes by Childs proday that the guy is healthy, adn will love getting CHilds as a Value pick... Redeye adn I have both always liked Childs, and its usually a good sign, when all 3 of us( u included), like the same player..lol Childs would fit this team like a glove...</P>


I also think danny coale would be a good outside guy, who can also go over the middle, and has a good frame on em, to absorb contact, and would be a nice 5th rd-7th rd WR for us.. Coale is gonna be a steal for someone, mark my words.. He won't be a star, but he will be very good...</P>

Raptor22
03-14-2012, 08:31 AM
<H3 class=headline id=yui_3_4_1_1_1331691267357_549><FONT size=4>First Draft: Doug Martin (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d8278c831/First-Draft-Doug-Martin)</FONT></H3>


* As probably Doug Martins biggest fan, its kinda hard to like this guy anymore then i have, but i gotta say,* I actually found alittle room to like* em* just a bit more after watching that..* The guy comes off as confident but not overly ****y, and just seems like a good kid..* As i've said before, hes the complete package, with Balance, can cut on a dime, power, catching ability, breakaway speed, burst, blocking ability..etc, and as he said, hes in the mold of a Ray Rice, and i will add* MJD as well..* I've said that all along...* I've called this kid the 2nd best back in this draft for a couple months now, and i stand by that..* I'd take him in the late 1st, and be totally confident in what i'm gonna get production wise outta him, as far as living up that pick... I was watching some film on him just the other day again, and its sickening,* how much he brings to the table.. There is really nothing he lacks as a RB...

the ONLY thing you could say Martin lacks is "Elite" breakaway speed (ie: Chris Johnson, LaMicheal James, Da'Rell Scott).

Its a lame excuse not to draft him, considering how much else he brings to the table.

I'd LOVE to see him in Blue next year, but if not, I'm perfectly fine with drafting Robert Turbin too [;)]
Oh, i dissagree.. Hes totally got break away speed..* Even in this paticular play, which is off a little dump off pass, he still gets to full speed and bursn the secondary like nothing.. Also, i've seen him just fly on KO's, including the Opening KO against Arz St in bowl game... Even off contact, he still bairly breaks stride and can get to top gear so quickly, its scary..</P>



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* whoops, that TD i pasted was off a run play, this one is where he does it on a dumpoff..* I know highlight films are dudes best plays, but please watch this DOUG MARTIn highlight film!!! I beg u!!!!!lol* Its just a complete back, to the fullest definition!* The balance, explosion, hands, speed, is incredible!</P>
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I worded my 'knock' poorly. I don't mean to say that he can't run away from defenses, but rather he doesn't have that rare 4.2-4.3 speed. And like I said, its lame complaint, considering everything else he brings to the table, but its the only one GMs can make.

BlueSanta
03-14-2012, 03:30 PM
<h2 id="post-96443"><font size="2">Childs impresses at Arkansas proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/childs-impresses-at-arkansas-pro-day/)</font></h2>
<h2 id="post-96466"><font size="2">Kirkpatrick wows during Alabama’s proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/kirkpatrick-wows-during-alabamas-pro-day/)</font></h2>
<h2 id="post-96549"><font size="2">Wilson d***les, Konz sits at Wisconsin proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/wilson-d***les-konz-sits-at-wisconsin-pro-day/)</font></h2>
<h2 id="post-96555"><font size="2">USC proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/kalil-shows-of-length-at-usc-pro-day/)</font></h2>
<h2 id="post-96572"><font size="2">Fletcher cements status at Mississippi State proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/fletcher-cements-status-at-mississippi-state-pro-day/)</font></h2>
<h2 id="post-96575"><font size="2">Mayock: Clemson trio didn’t disappoint at proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/mayock-clemson-trio-didnt-disappoint-at-pro-day/)</font></h2>
<h2 id="post-96722"><font size="2">Pro day roundup: Mississippi, Northwestern,Ohio (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/10/pro-day-roundup-mississippi-northwestern-ohio/)</font></h2>
<h2 id="post-96747"><font size="2">Crick shows strength at Nebraska proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/12/crick-shows-strength-at-nebraska-pro-day/)</font></h2>




In the other thread about players we like for the Giants, I mentioned Childs because to me, he is 1 of a few mid/late round prospects who are considered "outside" guys, which is what I feel we need.

After the 1st round talents, this Wr class is strongest in guys who would line up in the slot. I feel it would be a shame to remove Cruz from that role since he is the best slot guy in the NFL. A guy like Childs is a mid round option to help fill MM's shoes.
I freaking love childs.. Hes exactly the type of player Reese gets, because Reese just gets it, and realizes Childs was a borderline 1st rder, at least 2nd rder going into this season, but injuries really hampered his season, but Reese i'm sure realizes by Childs proday that the guy is healthy, adn will love getting CHilds as a Value pick... Redeye adn I have both always liked Childs, and its usually a good sign, when all 3 of us( u included), like the same player..lol Childs would fit this team like a glove...</p>


I also think danny coale would be a good outside guy, who can also go over the middle, and has a good frame on em, to absorb contact, and would be a nice 5th rd-7th rd WR for us.. Coale is gonna be a steal for someone, mark my words.. He won't be a star, but he will be very good...</p>

You see what he did at his pro day? 4.39 in the 40. 40 1/2 vertical(on a 6-3 guy?!) and a 10 -7 broad. On top of that, because i know your not a measurables guy, he suposedly looked amazing in position drills.

nycsportzfan
03-14-2012, 06:18 PM
<H2 id=post-96443><FONT size=2>Childs impresses at Arkansas proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/childs-impresses-at-arkansas-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96466><FONT size=2>Kirkpatrick wows during Alabama’s proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/07/kirkpatrick-wows-during-alabamas-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96549><FONT size=2>Wilson d***les, Konz sits at Wisconsin proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/wilson-d***les-konz-sits-at-wisconsin-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96555><FONT size=2>USC proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/kalil-shows-of-length-at-usc-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96572><FONT size=2>Fletcher cements status at Mississippi State proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/fletcher-cements-status-at-mississippi-state-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96575><FONT size=2>Mayock: Clemson trio didn’t disappoint at proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/08/mayock-clemson-trio-didnt-disappoint-at-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96722><FONT size=2>Pro day roundup: Mississippi, Northwestern,Ohio (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/10/pro-day-roundup-mississippi-northwestern-ohio/)</FONT></H2>
<H2 id=post-96747><FONT size=2>Crick shows strength at Nebraska proday (http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/12/crick-shows-strength-at-nebraska-pro-day/)</FONT></H2>




In the other thread about players we like for the Giants, I mentioned Childs because to me, he is 1 of a few mid/late round prospects who are considered "outside" guys, which is what I feel we need.

After the 1st round talents, this Wr class is strongest in guys who would line up in the slot. I feel it would be a shame to remove Cruz from that role since he is the best slot guy in the NFL. A guy like Childs is a mid round option to help fill MM's shoes.
I freaking love childs.. Hes exactly the type of player Reese gets, because Reese just gets it, and realizes Childs was a borderline 1st rder, at least 2nd rder going into this season, but injuries really hampered his season, but Reese i'm sure realizes by Childs proday that the guy is healthy, adn will love getting CHilds as a Value pick... Redeye adn I have both always liked Childs, and its usually a good sign, when all 3 of us( u included), like the same player..lol Childs would fit this team like a glove...</P>


I also think danny coale would be a good outside guy, who can also go over the middle, and has a good frame on em, to absorb contact, and would be a nice 5th rd-7th rd WR for us.. Coale is gonna be a steal for someone, mark my words.. He won't be a star, but he will be very good...</P>




You see what he did at his pro day? 4.39 in the 40. 40 1/2 vertical(on a 6-3 guy?!) and a 10 -7 broad. On top of that, because i know your not a measurables guy, he suposedly looked amazing in position drills.


I woulden't say i'm totally not a measurables guy, i just woulden't base my decison's totally on that.. Example, i woulden't not draft Earl Thomas because hes a little light or something... </P>


Ya, i seen he killed it t his proday, which tells me, hes completely healthy, and closer to that late 1st, 2nd rd prospect he used to be perdicted to be...</P>

Redeyejedi
03-16-2012, 10:57 AM
I se a lot of people linking Mike Admas to the Giants. Why I could see the Giants liking him im just not that big of a fan of his. His tape is really not that good. He could work out as a RT but honestly think id take Massie ahead of him. I think Massie may be better then Martin as well

Raptor22
03-16-2012, 11:12 AM
I se a lot of people linking Mike Admas to the Giants. Why I could see the Giants liking him im just not that big of a fan of his. His tape is really not that good. He could work out as a RT but honestly think id take Massie ahead of him. I think Massie may be better then Martin as well

If there's 3 guys that top my

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/Estimatedprophet/do-not-want-dog.jpg

list, its
1) Vontaze Burfict
2) Zebrie Sanders
3) Mike Adams

His tape was mediocre, and for a supposed "athletic freak" his workout wasn't anything to write home about either. Not the combination for a 1st rounder.

Somebody very interesting (that nobody is expecting) is going to fall... Now I'm seeing Tannehill as a top 10-12 pick. I stand by my statement that I wouldn't be surprised in the least if 4-5 QB's go in the 1st this year, whether they deserve to or not.

Either that or JR might actually trade out of the 1st. Barring a shocking fall, that might be the best move. The mid rounds look to be very solid this year (Nab Doug Martin, Amini, Casey Hayward/Justin Trumaine and Tyrone Crawford and I'll have to put my "Grand Theft: Draft" sig back up)

Neverend
03-16-2012, 11:35 AM
Yeah, come to think of it I like the talents in the middle of the second round better than late first as well

Raptor22
03-16-2012, 11:52 AM
-OR-

The Giants could trade up and draft Melvin Ingram (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d827a2b0f/Melvin-Ingram-s-incredible-backflip?module=HP11_content_stream)

Neverend
03-16-2012, 01:44 PM
dpbruglerDane Brugler
Spent a few hours watching RB tape w/ Emmitt Smith today..A LOT of great stuff...RB he got most excited about? Boise's Doug Martin #NFLDraft

haha

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03-16-2012, 11:07 PM
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The Giants could trade up and draft Melvin Ingram (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d827a2b0f/Melvin-Ingram-s-incredible-backflip?module=HP11_content_stream)


That would be very odd. His biggest value is to a team that needs a 3-4 OLB.

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03-17-2012, 06:37 AM
Not to beat a deadhorse, but again, Whitney Mercilus just gets Rave reviews here, and its mentioned that Scouts Rave about basically every thing u can possibly be good at as a END in this league, including Speed and Agilty, which means Athletic Ability in my book, which i've said for ever is a underrated aspect of his game(or was a undrrated aspect of his game)... Look at the names mentioned in the same breath as Mercilus(Dent, White, S.Rice..etc).. This has been my guy for quite awhile now, and on top of everything else, it sounds like hes a Awesome Human being, to boot.. I can't wait to watch him in the pros.. As he says, hes just got a knack for Stripping the ball from Qb's, and those instincts, combined with his physical attributes are gonna make him a feared beast for yrs to come....</P>
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And thus was born the two-point stance, a significant step even if it did create a need for chiropractors. </P>


The most talented descendants of those vicious hunters are now terrorizing offenses in the NFL as versatile enforcers who play inside linebacker or line up somewhere on the edge as outside linebackers or quarterback-sacking defensive ends. </P>


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According to projections by NFLDraftScout.com, hyperactive Luke Kuechly of Boston College is one of two inside linebackers who figures to go in the first round, and as many as seven quarterback-threatening edge players may be called out on the first day of the draft. </P>


Kuechly not only racked up 532 tackles in just three seasons, but he then surprised NFL teams by quantifying his excellent speed, explosion and agility at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. </P>


The edge players are led by South Carolina defensive end Melvin Ingram, who had 8.5 sacks last year, and underclassman Whitney Mercilus of Illinois, who led the nation with 16 sacks and nine forced fumbles, a key hidden statistic for defensive success. </P>


Many of the edge players listed here may become ends or outside linebackers, depending on their abilities and, mostly, which team drafts them. </P>


Here is a closer look at this year's linebackers and defensive edge players (Player, position rank/overall, school, height, weight, projected round, *-underclassman): </P>


Inside linebacker </P>


1/14 *Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College, 6-3, 242, 1
Kuechly looks like Clark Kent, plays like Superman. At the scouting combine, Kuechly (pronounced Kee-lee) quieted anybody who portrayed him as a diligent overachiever. He validated his insanely prolific college performances with a d***ling unofficial 40-yard time of 4.58 seconds and a vertical jump of 38 inches. That should change notions that he projects as a two-down linebacker who would come out on passing downs, which is an antiquated notion in reality since all downs are passing downs in today's NFL. Kuechly looks like a modern three-down linebacker, which shouldn't be surprising to scouts who actually checked out that he played DB in high school and looked excellent in underneath zone coverage in college. His production in college was off the charts, with 532 career tackles in just three seasons -- 10 shy of the NCAA career record held by Tim McGarigle. That included 299 solo -- an average of 14 total/7.9 solo in his 37-game stay at BC. Like the linebacker himself, Kuechly's ascent was relentless. He was ACC Freshman of the Year in 2009; All-American and semifinalist for the **** Butkus Award as the nation's top college linebacker in 2010; and consensus All-American last season when Butkus himself showed up to meet Kuechly and present the prized award. </P>


1/34 *Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama, 6-2, 265, 1-2
Like most of his teammates, Hightower didn't give a full workout at his March 7 Pro Day. But Alabama coach Nick Saban gave Hightower, who turned 22 on March 12, an early birthday present when he offered plenty of data for those who would listen. "Inside linebacker, nickel backer, defensive end and odd rusher," recited Saban. "He does all those things very well, he is very smart and he has leadership qualities." As a freshman, Hightower was labeled "a freak who can play any position" by teammate Rolando McClain (No. 8 overall in 2010, Raiders). He played up to the hype until he blew out his left knee in 2009 and required reconstructive surgery on his ACL, MCL and meniscus. It wasn't really until last season that he was playing back to top form, which is comparable to a larger and more athletic Brandon Spikes (New England, second-round pick out of Florida, 2010). Hightower combines dutiful film work and great instinct to help get him quickly into position for plays, and then his substantial physical abilities take over. He is a natural leader and weight-room fanatic. </P>


3/91 Mychal Kendricks, California, 5-11, 240, 2-3
At the scouting combine, Kendricks showed there was more to him than first appearance may indicate. His name, for example, is really Marvin Mychal-Christopher Kendricks. The Marvin is from his father, whose name some may remember as the leading rusher at UCLA in 1970-71. Mychal showed decent versatility in college, starting two years at outside linebacker, then moving inside last year in dramatic style. But scouts at the combine still had a "show-me" perspective on Kendricks, especially after he measured only 5-11¼. But he looked bigger by the moment as he benched 225 pounds 24 times, ran 40 yards in an unofficial 4.47 and added a vertical jump of 39.5 inches. That sent scouts back to double-check tapes, which showed how Kendricks used all that athleticism to earn Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year honors in 2011. He had a team-leading 106 tackles, 14.5 for a loss, one sack, one forced fumble, one interception (returned for touchdown) and two fumble recoveries. There are some concerns, including an injured shoulder and thumb last year and two suspensions for violating team rules. But it still looks like he hasn't played his last season at inside linebacker. </P>


4/116 *Vontaze Burfict, Arizona State, 6-1, 248, 3-4
Burfict rhymes with perfect, but that is only a coincidence. When he graduated from Centennial High School in California, Burfict was touted as the best prep middle linebacker in the country. It has been mostly downhill since then. Burfict has displayed the ability of a first-round prospect, but as an overall package some teams say they won't draft him, period. On the field he flashes excellent instinct and ferocity. He diagnoses and blows up plays with brutish hits, against the run and even as a pass-rusher. But he committed so many unnecessary and ill-timed penalties that he was actually kept off the field at times in college. He reportedly even punched a smaller teammate in the locker room. Last year Burfict led ASU with 68 tackles, but when he failed to make even the conference honorable mention list, it was thought that his bad conduct was the reason. At the combine, scouts wanted questions answered about his maturity and athleticism. He had all the wrong answers. He blamed ASU coaches for his inconsistent 2011 season and then he flopped in workouts, including an unofficial 40-yard time of 5.03 seconds, slowest among linebackers. To be clear, he has the ability to play. It will be interesting to see who gives him a chance and if/how he takes advantage of it. </P>


Edge: OLB/DE </P>


1/16 Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE, South Carolina, 6-1, 264, 1
Ingram showed versatility in college, playing both ends and even moving inside to defensive tackle. His combination of strength, leverage and speed made him a pass rush threat from all those positions, and NFL scouts think they might have yet another position for him -- outside linebacker, although he was listed as a defensive end at the combine. Last season, Ingram made All-SEC after leading the Game****s with 13.5 tackles for a loss and 8.5 sacks. He also intercepted two passes and scored three touchdowns, including a 68-yarder on a fake punt in a win at Georgia. Ingram finished his career with 21.5 sacks, fourth in team history. Originally recruited as a linebacker out of North Carolina, he played 12 games as a freshman when he even returned five kickoffs for an 18-yard average. After missing 2008 with a broken foot, he was moved to the defensive line in 2009. "Wherever they point me, I'm ready to go there," Ingram said when asked if he was ready to play as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros. He backed up his fine career with an excellent combine that included a 34½-inch vertical jump and an unofficial time of 4.79 in 40 yards. </P>


2/21 *Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois, 6-4, 261, 1
Mercilus' startling 2011 season sent scouts scrambling to learn more about him, and the news was better than expected. After two mediocre seasons at Illinois, Mercilus used cat-like moves to become an All-American and win the Ted Hendricks Award as the best defensive end in the country. He led the nation with 16 sacks, nine forced fumbles and had 22.5 tackles for a loss. Of all his statistics, forced fumbles is the one that many scouts admire most. "I just have a knack for it," he said. "Throughout the game I was able to watch the quarterback's movements and just see him open up and then I just go in there and just knock it away." Scouts gush a list of positives traits, including quickness, agility, strength, instincts, condition, attitude ... and he is just beginning to mature and could be a great outside linebacker. Reaching for comparisons, they mention names like Simeon Rice, Dwight Freeney, Richard Dent and even the great Reggie White. The U.S.-born son of parents who emigrated from Haiti in the 1980s, Mercilus played mostly soccer until high school. His 2011 season had an inauspicious beginning when he lost the tip of his left index finger last spring in a weight-room accident. Teammates were shocked when he light-heartedly dismissed the injury as only a bother when he played the keyboard or tried to pick up coins. </P>


3/22 Courtney Upshaw, OLB/DE, Alabama, 6-2, 272, 1
Alabama coach Nick Saban predicts Upshaw can play outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense or "put his hand in the dirt and play defensive end" in the NFL. Based on his play in college, regardless of where Upshaw lines up, he will probably wind up in a quarterback's mug. Used as an edge rusher, sometimes as the Tide's so-called "Jack" linebacker and sometimes as an end, Upshaw thrashes blockers with great hand and arm action and shows ample speed and agility to find his way into the offensive backfield. He has instincts beyond that of a pure pass-rusher, with an uncommon awareness for draws, screens, counters and reverses. Although he was not asked to drop into coverage often at Alabama, he has a fluid athleticism that may allow him to adapt to such a demand. In Alabama's 49-7 thrashing of Michigan State in last year's Capital One Bowl, Upshaw was voted MVP after a pair of sacks, five tackles (three for a loss) and a forced fumble. Upshaw benched 225 pounds 22 times at the combine and, like several teammates at Alabama's March 7 Pro Day, deferred a full workout until March 29. </P>


4/25 *Nick Perry, DE/OLB, Southern California, 6-3, 271, 1-2
Perry opted for the draft after being named USC's Defensive Lineman of the Year following a 2011 season in which he led the Pac-12 in sacks with 9.5. Considered a 'tweener who could be an outside linebacker or defensive end, Perry wants to play the latter. So he added more than 10 pounds of lean muscle since the season ended to convince scouts. Still, many believe he projects as a stand-up linebacker in a 3-4 defense, despite not showing instincts to play in the open. His natural athleticism was on display at the combine, where he had an unofficial 10-yard time of 1.57 seconds and showed tremendous explosion with a 38.5-inch vertical jump, a mark worthy of a good wide receiver. Scouts would also like to see more hustle on plays away and/or better conditioning, as he seems to fatigue in the fourth quarter. Perry was a prized recruit after he led Detroit's King High School to a 14-0 season and a 2007 state championship with 147 tackles and 36 sacks, a Michigan prep record. </P>


5/26 Zach Brown, OLB/DE, North Carolina, 6-1, 244, 1-2
He is only beginning to learn how to maximize his exceptional ability on a football field, but Brown is fast and fascinating. He has an abundance of the one natural ability that can't be taught -- speed. Brown officially set a school record in track with an indoor 60 meters of 6.72 seconds in 2009. He checked in at the combine with an unofficial best of 4.44 seconds in the 40 and actually seemed off stride in the middle of the run. He added a vertical jump of 33.5 inches. His raw athleticism is tantalizing, but he lacks the instincts to be a great linebacker and may need to add even more bulk than the additional 6 pounds he put on for the combine. Meantime, at the very least, he can be a terror on special teams, same as he was in college. </P>


6/33 Andre Branch, DE/OLB, Clemson, 6-4, 259, 1-2
Branch is a raw, flashy, long-armed player with great closing speed but still has a long ways to go if he wants to excel in the NFL. He arrived at Clemson as a highly rated high school linebacker and lined up there occasionally in college, but he was usually at the team's "Bandit" or right end spot. He was selected first-team All-ACC in 2011 after leading Clemson in sacks (10.5) and tackles for a loss (17). He finished his career with 17.5 sacks and made at least one tackle in 41 consecutive games. There is nothing fancy about Branch's game, and he will probably best fit into an NFL defense that has a very specific role to take advantage of his exceptional straight-line speed, which was validated at the combine with an unofficial 4.70 in the 40. </P>


7/45 Lavonte David, OLB/SS, Nebraska, 6-1, 233, 1-2
David is Mr. Max, as in maximum effort, attitude, results and, unfortunately, his size, which he cannot increase any more. He reaffirmed his athleticism at the combine with an unofficial 40 time of 4.65 and an explosive vertical jump of 36.5 inches. NFL scouts aren't sure whether to play him at linebacker or strong safety, but somebody will draft him and put him on the field somewhere, and he will do what he has always done -- tackle people. He worked hard to get this far, so being told he is too small won't faze him. David had a sensational high school career with Miami Northwestern's No. 1-ranked team, but because of low grades he played at Fort Scott Community College, where his team lost a national championship game to Cam Newton's Blinn College. When he finally arrived at Nebraska, David proved he was a tackling machine by setting a school record with 152 in 2010 and finishing his career with 285. He has pass coverage and ball reaction instincts to be an excellent nickel linebacker. </P>


8/47 Shea McClellin, OLB/DE, Boise State, 6-3, 260, 2-3
McClellin has been known for his versatility since his days as a three-sport sensation at Marsing (Idaho) High school. And before he was able to play any of those sports, he got up before sunrise to feed the animals on the farm of the grandparents who raised him. He lettered in baseball, basketball and football, where as a senior he played running back and linebacker. He rushed for 1,893 yards and 22 touchdowns and added 126 tackles, six interceptions and seven touchdowns on defense. For that he had the unusual honor of being named Western Idaho Conference Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year. At Boise State he continued to do whatever was asked and do it well, which was somewhere between defensive end and linebacker. And that's how he enters the NFL, as a hyperactive, efficient edge player who has great field awareness and is as tough as, well, a good old farm boy. He was listed as a defensive end at the combine and weighed in with 12 more pounds of muscle than he had in college and ran an excellent 40, unofficially in 4.62. </P>


9/55 Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State, 6-0, 241, 2
A four-year starter, two-year captain and three-time All-WAC honoree, Wagner can be called short, but he's not small. He packs the power of a man much larger and uses that effectively to tackle anybody with the audacity to be in his vicinity with a football. His senior year was his best, with 147 total tackles, including 67 solo, four sacks and two interceptions. His muscular build was impressive at the Senior Bowl weigh-ins, and he was hyperactive during the week of practice. But Wagner wasn't allowed to really tackle until the game, when he put on a clinic, leading everybody with seven tackles, including one for a loss, and an interception. For that he was named Senior Bowl MVP. Wagner was unable to take part in the combine because he was hospitalized in Arizona with pneumonia. </P>


10/57 *Ronnel Lewis, DE/OLB, Oklahoma, 6-2, 253, 2
Nicknamed "The Hammer" by teammates for the way he hits, but coaches could never find the right nail for this unusually gifted athlete. After he played only eight-man football in high school, Oklahoma coaches knew they had a gifted, raw talent but never figured out where to best use his abilities. He played most of the front seven positions like a wild animal chasing his last meal, especially when in pursuit of a quarterback. College coaches say he is a good kid, willing to learn, but he has maturity issues and struggled with class work. Lewis was suspended at the end of last season for academic reasons, and his coaches suggested he turn pro. He was listed as a defensive end at the combine and showed up almost 10 pounds over his college playing weight. Along with persistent back problems, Lewis had minor knee surgery in 2010 that put him out of two games and a neck injury in the 2011 Fiesta Bowl that caused him to lose feeling in his arms for a short time. But in a little more than two seasons, he totaled 118 tackles (67 solo), 20.5 for a loss, 10 sacks and two interceptions. He looked good at the combine with an unofficial 40-yard time of 4.68 seconds and 36 reps with 225 pounds on the bench press. </P>


11/59 Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall, 6-3, 266, 2
Here is that potential pass-rusher with a knack for causing fumbles, which is one of the most valuable talents on defense. Curry is strong and relentless off the edge, and so intent on getting to the passer that he is often too upright and vulnerable to a quick cut block. But he can get down and dirty with a decent bull rush and uses his strong hands well. Curry was named Conference USA Defensive Player of the Year in 2011 when he had 11 sacks, seven forced fumbles and 22 tackles for a loss. After a great high school career, Curry went to Cincinnati's Harmony Community School in 2007 to prep for college. He played only seven games as a true freshman, then began to show up as a sophomore and finished his career with 26 sacks, 49 tackles for a loss and 10 forced fumbles. </P>


12/62 Sean Spence, OLB, Miami, 5-11, 231, 2-3
Spence does everything he can to overcome lack of natural size and strength. He is already a coach on the field -- something teams may note for the future -- and shows amazing recognition skills that result from intense film analysis. Athletically, he reads and reacts quickly without wasted steps. Spence is not fooled often by play action, and shows above average skills as a pass defender. At the combine, he said "I think I am a three-down linebacker -- very fast, I can go sideline to sideline, I'm a smart, very instinctive player. ... I lead by example, and most of all I make plays." Indeed, Spence has been consistent throughout his athletic career, collecting more than 100 tackles as a senior on Miami Northwestern High School's 2007 national championship team (chosen by USA Today). In 2008, he earned ACC Rookie of the Year honors at Miami and his career totals include 317 tackles (169 solo and 46 for a loss) and 10.5 sacks. But he may be tagged as an overachiever based on his workout at the combine, which included only 12 reps with 225 pounds on the bench press and a mediocre 4.71 seconds in 40 yards. He said afterward he had a bad shoulder and usually benches at least 19. </P>


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03-17-2012, 02:09 PM
Some prodays attended by GIANTS SCOUTS, which is fun, even though as it says, could be just due-dilligence, but still worthy of mental note... I see they were at Marylands proday, which is cool, because i like both Cameron Chism CB and Davin Meggett RB as later rd picks... Oregon has David Paulson who i like, and it makes u wonder what impression Lamichael James had on Giants scouts, and then u got W. Michigan and Jordan White WR, whos stock has plummeted some, but could be a steal in the late rds, and W.Virginia has a few players like Tandy CB and Irvin OLB who i'm kinda ehhh about, but still interesting prospects, also Don Barclay who could be a steal if hes had late enough...</P>


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* Some prodays attended by GIANTS SCOUTS, which is fun, even though as it says, could be just due-dilligence, but still worthy of* mental note...** I see they were at Marylands proday, which is cool, because i like both Cameron Chism CB and Davin Meggett RB as later rd picks... Oregon has David Paulson who i like, and* it makes u wonder what impression Lamichael James had on Giants scouts, and then u got W. Michigan and Jordan White WR, whos stock has plummeted some, but could be a steal in the late rds, and* W.Virginia has a few players like Tandy CB and Irvin OLB who i'm kinda ehhh about, but still interesting prospects, also Don Barclay who could be a steal if hes had late enough...</P>


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*Not to beat a deadhorse, but again,* Whitney Mercilus just gets Rave reviews here, and its mentioned that Scouts Rave about basically every thing u can possibly be good at as a END in this league, including Speed and Agilty, which means Athletic Ability in my book, which i've said for ever is a underrated aspect of his game(or was a undrrated aspect of his game)...* Look at the names mentioned in* the same breath as Mercilus(Dent, White, S.Rice..etc)..* This has been my guy for quite awhile now, and on top of everything else, it sounds like hes a Awesome Human being, to boot..** I can't wait to watch him in the pros.. As he says, hes just got a knack for Stripping the ball from Qb's, and those instincts, combined with his physical attributes are gonna make him a feared beast for yrs to come....</P>
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At some point in his primordial evolution, man discovered that when he took his knuckles off the ground, he became more mobile. He used his newfound agility to outmaneuver and outrun his prey. </P>


And thus was born the two-point stance, a significant step even if it did create a need for chiropractors. </P>


The most talented descendants of those vicious hunters are now terrorizing offenses in the NFL as versatile enforcers who play inside linebacker or line up somewhere on the edge as outside linebackers or quarterback-sacking defensive ends. </P>


This year's NFL Draft features an array of these hostile creatures, including one inside linebacker who makes tackles in such volume that he could package them for Costco resale, and pass-rushers of various types who will surely make life miserable for quarterbacks. And that misery will be compounded by those who can also drop into coverage out of that two-point stance. </P>
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According to projections by NFLDraftScout.com, hyperactive Luke Kuechly of Boston College is one of two inside linebackers who figures to go in the first round, and as many as seven quarterback-threatening edge players may be called out on the first day of the draft. </P>


Kuechly not only racked up 532 tackles in just three seasons, but he then surprised NFL teams by quantifying his excellent speed, explosion and agility at the scouting combine in Indianapolis. </P>


The edge players are led by South Carolina defensive end Melvin Ingram, who had 8.5 sacks last year, and underclassman Whitney Mercilus of Illinois, who led the nation with 16 sacks and nine forced fumbles, a key hidden statistic for defensive success. </P>


Many of the edge players listed here may become ends or outside linebackers, depending on their abilities and, mostly, which team drafts them. </P>


Here is a closer look at this year's linebackers and defensive edge players (Player, position rank/overall, school, height, weight, projected round, *-underclassman): </P>


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1/14 *Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College, 6-3, 242, 1
Kuechly looks like Clark Kent, plays like Superman. At the scouting combine, Kuechly (pronounced Kee-lee) quieted anybody who portrayed him as a diligent overachiever. He validated his insanely prolific college performances with a d***ling unofficial 40-yard time of 4.58 seconds and a vertical jump of 38 inches. That should change notions that he projects as a two-down linebacker who would come out on passing downs, which is an antiquated notion in reality since all downs are passing downs in today's NFL. Kuechly looks like a modern three-down linebacker, which shouldn't be surprising to scouts who actually checked out that he played DB in high school and looked excellent in underneath zone coverage in college. His production in college was off the charts, with 532 career tackles in just three seasons -- 10 shy of the NCAA career record held by Tim McGarigle. That included 299 solo -- an average of 14 total/7.9 solo in his 37-game stay at BC. Like the linebacker himself, Kuechly's ascent was relentless. He was ACC Freshman of the Year in 2009; All-American and semifinalist for the **** Butkus Award as the nation's top college linebacker in 2010; and consensus All-American last season when Butkus himself showed up to meet Kuechly and present the prized award. </P>


1/34 *Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama, 6-2, 265, 1-2
Like most of his teammates, Hightower didn't give a full workout at his March 7 Pro Day. But Alabama coach Nick Saban gave Hightower, who turned 22 on March 12, an early birthday present when he offered plenty of data for those who would listen. "Inside linebacker, nickel backer, defensive end and odd rusher," recited Saban. "He does all those things very well, he is very smart and he has leadership qualities." As a freshman, Hightower was labeled "a freak who can play any position" by teammate Rolando McClain (No. 8 overall in 2010, Raiders). He played up to the hype until he blew out his left knee in 2009 and required reconstructive surgery on his ACL, MCL and meniscus. It wasn't really until last season that he was playing back to top form, which is comparable to a larger and more athletic Brandon Spikes (New England, second-round pick out of Florida, 2010). Hightower combines dutiful film work and great instinct to help get him quickly into position for plays, and then his substantial physical abilities take over. He is a natural leader and weight-room fanatic. </P>


3/91 Mychal Kendricks, California, 5-11, 240, 2-3
At the scouting combine, Kendricks showed there was more to him than first appearance may indicate. His name, for example, is really Marvin Mychal-Christopher Kendricks. The Marvin is from his father, whose name some may remember as the leading rusher at UCLA in 1970-71. Mychal showed decent versatility in college, starting two years at outside linebacker, then moving inside last year in dramatic style. But scouts at the combine still had a "show-me" perspective on Kendricks, especially after he measured only 5-11¼. But he looked bigger by the moment as he benched 225 pounds 24 times, ran 40 yards in an unofficial 4.47 and added a vertical jump of 39.5 inches. That sent scouts back to double-check tapes, which showed how Kendricks used all that athleticism to earn Pac-12 Defensive Player of the Year honors in 2011. He had a team-leading 106 tackles, 14.5 for a loss, one sack, one forced fumble, one interception (returned for touchdown) and two fumble recoveries. There are some concerns, including an injured shoulder and thumb last year and two suspensions for violating team rules. But it still looks like he hasn't played his last season at inside linebacker. </P>


4/116 *Vontaze Burfict, Arizona State, 6-1, 248, 3-4
Burfict rhymes with perfect, but that is only a coincidence. When he graduated from Centennial High School in California, Burfict was touted as the best prep middle linebacker in the country. It has been mostly downhill since then. Burfict has displayed the ability of a first-round prospect, but as an overall package some teams say they won't draft him, period. On the field he flashes excellent instinct and ferocity. He diagnoses and blows up plays with brutish hits, against the run and even as a pass-rusher. But he committed so many unnecessary and ill-timed penalties that he was actually kept off the field at times in college. He reportedly even punched a smaller teammate in the locker room. Last year Burfict led ASU with 68 tackles, but when he failed to make even the conference honorable mention list, it was thought that his bad conduct was the reason. At the combine, scouts wanted questions answered about his maturity and athleticism. He had all the wrong answers. He blamed ASU coaches for his inconsistent 2011 season and then he flopped in workouts, including an unofficial 40-yard time of 5.03 seconds, slowest among linebackers. To be clear, he has the ability to play. It will be interesting to see who gives him a chance and if/how he takes advantage of it. </P>


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1/16 Melvin Ingram, OLB/DE, South Carolina, 6-1, 264, 1
Ingram showed versatility in college, playing both ends and even moving inside to defensive tackle. His combination of strength, leverage and speed made him a pass rush threat from all those positions, and NFL scouts think they might have yet another position for him -- outside linebacker, although he was listed as a defensive end at the combine. Last season, Ingram made All-SEC after leading the Game****s with 13.5 tackles for a loss and 8.5 sacks. He also intercepted two passes and scored three touchdowns, including a 68-yarder on a fake punt in a win at Georgia. Ingram finished his career with 21.5 sacks, fourth in team history. Originally recruited as a linebacker out of North Carolina, he played 12 games as a freshman when he even returned five kickoffs for an 18-yard average. After missing 2008 with a broken foot, he was moved to the defensive line in 2009. "Wherever they point me, I'm ready to go there," Ingram said when asked if he was ready to play as a 3-4 outside linebacker in the pros. He backed up his fine career with an excellent combine that included a 34½-inch vertical jump and an unofficial time of 4.79 in 40 yards. </P>


2/21 *Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois, 6-4, 261, 1
Mercilus' startling 2011 season sent scouts scrambling to learn more about him, and the news was better than expected. After two mediocre seasons at Illinois, Mercilus used cat-like moves to become an All-American and win the Ted Hendricks Award as the best defensive end in the country. He led the nation with 16 sacks, nine forced fumbles and had 22.5 tackles for a loss. Of all his statistics, forced fumbles is the one that many scouts admire most. "I just have a knack for it," he said. "Throughout the game I was able to watch the quarterback's movements and just see him open up and then I just go in there and just knock it away." Scouts gush a list of positives traits, including quickness, agility, strength, instincts, condition, attitude ... and he is just beginning to mature and could be a great outside linebacker. Reaching for comparisons, they mention names like Simeon Rice, Dwight Freeney, Richard Dent and even the great Reggie White. The U.S.-born son of parents who emigrated from Haiti in the 1980s, Mercilus played mostly soccer until high school. His 2011 season had an inauspicious beginning when he lost the tip of his left index finger last spring in a weight-room accident. Teammates were shocked when he light-heartedly dismissed the injury as only a bother when he played the keyboard or tried to pick up coins. </P>


3/22 Courtney Upshaw, OLB/DE, Alabama, 6-2, 272, 1
Alabama coach Nick Saban predicts Upshaw can play outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense or "put his hand in the dirt and play defensive end" in the NFL. Based on his play in college, regardless of where Upshaw lines up, he will probably wind up in a quarterback's mug. Used as an edge rusher, sometimes as the Tide's so-called "Jack" linebacker and sometimes as an end, Upshaw thrashes blockers with great hand and arm action and shows ample speed and agility to find his way into the offensive backfield. He has instincts beyond that of a pure pass-rusher, with an uncommon awareness for draws, screens, counters and reverses. Although he was not asked to drop into coverage often at Alabama, he has a fluid athleticism that may allow him to adapt to such a demand. In Alabama's 49-7 thrashing of Michigan State in last year's Capital One Bowl, Upshaw was voted MVP after a pair of sacks, five tackles (three for a loss) and a forced fumble. Upshaw benched 225 pounds 22 times at the combine and, like several teammates at Alabama's March 7 Pro Day, deferred a full workout until March 29. </P>


4/25 *Nick Perry, DE/OLB, Southern California, 6-3, 271, 1-2
Perry opted for the draft after being named USC's Defensive Lineman of the Year following a 2011 season in which he led the Pac-12 in sacks with 9.5. Considered a 'tweener who could be an outside linebacker or defensive end, Perry wants to play the latter. So he added more than 10 pounds of lean muscle since the season ended to convince scouts. Still, many believe he projects as a stand-up linebacker in a 3-4 defense, despite not showing instincts to play in the open. His natural athleticism was on display at the combine, where he had an unofficial 10-yard time of 1.57 seconds and showed tremendous explosion with a 38.5-inch vertical jump, a mark worthy of a good wide receiver. Scouts would also like to see more hustle on plays away and/or better conditioning, as he seems to fatigue in the fourth quarter. Perry was a prized recruit after he led Detroit's King High School to a 14-0 season and a 2007 state championship with 147 tackles and 36 sacks, a Michigan prep record. </P>


5/26 Zach Brown, OLB/DE, North Carolina, 6-1, 244, 1-2
He is only beginning to learn how to maximize his exceptional ability on a football field, but Brown is fast and fascinating. He has an abundance of the one natural ability that can't be taught -- speed. Brown officially set a school record in track with an indoor 60 meters of 6.72 seconds in 2009. He checked in at the combine with an unofficial best of 4.44 seconds in the 40 and actually seemed off stride in the middle of the run. He added a vertical jump of 33.5 inches. His raw athleticism is tantalizing, but he lacks the instincts to be a great linebacker and may need to add even more bulk than the additional 6 pounds he put on for the combine. Meantime, at the very least, he can be a terror on special teams, same as he was in college. </P>


6/33 Andre Branch, DE/OLB, Clemson, 6-4, 259, 1-2
Branch is a raw, flashy, long-armed player with great closing speed but still has a long ways to go if he wants to excel in the NFL. He arrived at Clemson as a highly rated high school linebacker and lined up there occasionally in college, but he was usually at the team's "Bandit" or right end spot. He was selected first-team All-ACC in 2011 after leading Clemson in sacks (10.5) and tackles for a loss (17). He finished his career with 17.5 sacks and made at least one tackle in 41 consecutive games. There is nothing fancy about Branch's game, and he will probably best fit into an NFL defense that has a very specific role to take advantage of his exceptional straight-line speed, which was validated at the combine with an unofficial 4.70 in the 40. </P>


7/45 Lavonte David, OLB/SS, Nebraska, 6-1, 233, 1-2
David is Mr. Max, as in maximum effort, attitude, results and, unfortunately, his size, which he cannot increase any more. He reaffirmed his athleticism at the combine with an unofficial 40 time of 4.65 and an explosive vertical jump of 36.5 inches. NFL scouts aren't sure whether to play him at linebacker or strong safety, but somebody will draft him and put him on the field somewhere, and he will do what he has always done -- tackle people. He worked hard to get this far, so being told he is too small won't faze him. David had a sensational high school career with Miami Northwestern's No. 1-ranked team, but because of low grades he played at Fort Scott Community College, where his team lost a national championship game to Cam Newton's Blinn College. When he finally arrived at Nebraska, David proved he was a tackling machine by setting a school record with 152 in 2010 and finishing his career with 285. He has pass coverage and ball reaction instincts to be an excellent nickel linebacker. </P>


8/47 Shea McClellin, OLB/DE, Boise State, 6-3, 260, 2-3
McClellin has been known for his versatility since his days as a three-sport sensation at Marsing (Idaho) High school. And before he was able to play any of those sports, he got up before sunrise to feed the animals on the farm of the grandparents who raised him. He lettered in baseball, basketball and football, where as a senior he played running back and linebacker. He rushed for 1,893 yards and 22 touchdowns and added 126 tackles, six interceptions and seven touchdowns on defense. For that he had the unusual honor of being named Western Idaho Conference Offensive and Defensive Player of the Year. At Boise State he continued to do whatever was asked and do it well, which was somewhere between defensive end and linebacker. And that's how he enters the NFL, as a hyperactive, efficient edge player who has great field awareness and is as tough as, well, a good old farm boy. He was listed as a defensive end at the combine and weighed in with 12 more pounds of muscle than he had in college and ran an excellent 40, unofficially in 4.62. </P>


9/55 Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State, 6-0, 241, 2
A four-year starter, two-year captain and three-time All-WAC honoree, Wagner can be called short, but he's not small. He packs the power of a man much larger and uses that effectively to tackle anybody with the audacity to be in his vicinity with a football. His senior year was his best, with 147 total tackles, including 67 solo, four sacks and two interceptions. His muscular build was impressive at the Senior Bowl weigh-ins, and he was hyperactive during the week of practice. But Wagner wasn't allowed to really tackle until the game, when he put on a clinic, leading everybody with seven tackles, including one for a loss, and an interception. For that he was named Senior Bowl MVP. Wagner was unable to take part in the combine because he was hospitalized in Arizona with pneumonia. </P>


10/57 *Ronnel Lewis, DE/OLB, Oklahoma, 6-2, 253, 2
Nicknamed "The Hammer" by teammates for the way he hits, but coaches could never find the right nail for this unusually gifted athlete. After he played only eight-man football in high school, Oklahoma coaches knew they had a gifted, raw talent but never figured out where to best use his abilities. He played most of the front seven positions like a wild animal chasing his last meal, especially when in pursuit of a quarterback. College coaches say he is a good kid, willing to learn, but he has maturity issues and struggled with class work. Lewis was suspended at the end of last season for academic reasons, and his coaches suggested he turn pro. He was listed as a defensive end at the combine and showed up almost 10 pounds over his college playing weight. Along with persistent back problems, Lewis had minor knee surgery in 2010 that put him out of two games and a neck injury in the 2011 Fiesta Bowl that caused him to lose feeling in his arms for a short time. But in a little more than two seasons, he totaled 118 tackles (67 solo), 20.5 for a loss, 10 sacks and two interceptions. He looked good at the combine with an unofficial 40-yard time of 4.68 seconds and 36 reps with 225 pounds on the bench press. </P>


11/59 Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall, 6-3, 266, 2
Here is that potential pass-rusher with a knack for causing fumbles, which is one of the most valuable talents on defense. Curry is strong and relentless off the edge, and so intent on getting to the passer that he is often too upright and vulnerable to a quick cut block. But he can get down and dirty with a decent bull rush and uses his strong hands well. Curry was named Conference USA Defensive Player of the Year in 2011 when he had 11 sacks, seven forced fumbles and 22 tackles for a loss. After a great high school career, Curry went to Cincinnati's Harmony Community School in 2007 to prep for college. He played only seven games as a true freshman, then began to show up as a sophomore and finished his career with 26 sacks, 49 tackles for a loss and 10 forced fumbles. </P>


12/62 Sean Spence, OLB, Miami, 5-11, 231, 2-3
Spence does everything he can to overcome lack of natural size and strength. He is already a coach on the field -- something teams may note for the future -- and shows amazing recognition skills that result from intense film analysis. Athletically, he reads and reacts quickly without wasted steps. Spence is not fooled often by play action, and shows above average skills as a pass defender. At the combine, he said "I think I am a three-down linebacker -- very fast, I can go sideline to sideline, I'm a smart, very instinctive player. ... I lead by example, and most of all I make plays." Indeed, Spence has been consistent throughout his athletic career, collecting more than 100 tackles as a senior on Miami Northwestern High School's 2007 national championship team (chosen by USA Today). In 2008, he earned ACC Rookie of the Year honors at Miami and his career totals include 317 tackles (169 solo and 46 for a loss) and 10.5 sacks. But he may be tagged as an overachiever based on his workout at the combine, which included only 12 reps with 225 pounds on the bench press and a mediocre 4.71 seconds in 40 yards. He said afterward he had a bad shoulder and usually benches at least 19. </P>


Frank Cooney is the publisher of NFLDraftScout.com, distributed by The Sports Xchange. </P></DIV>Its weird how Rang likes him so much and Wes Bunting has him rated as the 65th best player. To me he is a first rounder but its weird the difference of opinion on him. I still dont see anything nearly as athletic as Aldon Smith or JPP during games.He doesnt have the bend of a guy like Smith in my opinion. I see a lot of strength, savy and one hell of a motor. My favorite part of his game is how relentless he is.This doesnt mean I dont think he is a good player just dont see that part of his game

bLuereverie
03-17-2012, 03:44 PM
^^Who?

Zach Brown?

heavyhitter
03-18-2012, 01:45 AM
Not to beat a deadhorse, but again, Whitney Mercilus just gets Rave reviews here, and its mentioned that Scouts Rave about basically every thing u can possibly be good at as a END in this league, including Speed and Agilty, which means Athletic Ability in my book, which i've said for ever is a underrated aspect of his game(or was a undrrated aspect of his game)... Look at the names mentioned in the same breath as Mercilus(Dent, White, S.Rice..etc).. This has been my guy for quite awhile now, and on top of everything else, it sounds like hes a Awesome Human being, to boot.. I can't wait to watch him in the pros.. As he says, hes just got a knack for Stripping the ball from Qb's, and those instincts, combined with his physical attributes are gonna make him a feared beast for yrs to come....</p>
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heavyhitter
03-18-2012, 01:48 AM
<h3 class="headline"><font size="3">Krazy strong performances (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d8279bce2/Krazy-strong-performances)</font></h3>

heavyhitter
03-18-2012, 02:35 AM
<span class="tl">Gators short on talent at pro day (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=florida+gators+pro+day+news&amp;sourc e=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CCwQqQIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.g o.com%2Fblog%2Fcolleges%2Fflorida%2Fpost%3Fid%3D35 25&amp;ei=Yn9lT6r_AcmP0QGu2pydCA&amp;usg=AFQjCNHeCPq3HjnFm BfV0FF8sVrm7bm_Uw&amp;cad=rja)

</span><span class="tl">At FSU Pro Day, LB Nigel Bradham told his NFL Draft stock is rising (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=florida+state+pro+day+news&amp;source =web&amp;cd=3&amp;ved=0CDEQqQIwAg&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Farticle s.orlandosentinel.com%2F2012-03-14%2Fsports%2Fos-florida-state-news-0315-20120314_1_first-round-projection-nfl-draft-fsu-s-pro-day&amp;ei=sn9lT82OGYro0QHlzeGtCA&amp;usg=AFQjCNEGGJRPuaXl D0nCORthGr3qjDu-Yw&amp;cad=rja)

</span><font size="2"><u><font size="3">Here are the official results of FSU's Pro Day as reported by the school:</font>

</u></font><font size="2">Name Height Weight Arm Length Hand Size Position
Nigel Bradham 6'3" 240 lbs. 331 105 LB
Andrew Datko 6'6" 321 lbs. 325 97 OT
Mike Harris 5'11" 195 lbs. 312 87 CB
Ty Jones 5'10" 210 lbs. 281 91 RB
Ja'Baris Little 6'3" 245 lbs. 311 87 TE
Terrance Parks 6'2" 215 lbs. 310 85 S
Shawn Powell 6'4" 235 lbs. 323 87 P
Bert Reed 5'10" 183 lbs. 293 92 WR
Beau Reliford 6'6" 260 lbs. 334 87 TE
Zebrie Sanders 6'6" 307 lbs. 345 105 OT
Jermaine Thomas 5'11" 192 lbs. 317 105 RB
Antwane Greenlee 6'6" 307 lbs. 344 94 OT</font>

<font size="2"><font size="3"><u>40-Yard Dash</u></font>
Nigel Bradham 4.65
Andrew Datko 5.26
Mike Harris 4.53
Ty Jones 4.75
Ja'Baris Little 5.18
Terrance Parks 4.64
Shawn Powell DNP
Bert Reed 4.46
Beau Reliford DNP
Zebrie Sanders 5.44
Jermaine Thomas 4.62
Antwane Greenlee 5.44</font>

<font size="2"><font size="3"><u>Bench Press - Reps At 225lbs.</u>
</font> <font size="2">Nigel Bradham 24</font>
Andrew Datko 20
Mike Harris DNP
Ty Jones DNP
Ja'Baris Little 20
Terrance Parks 19
Shawn Powell DNP
Bert Reed DNP
Beau Reliford DNP
Zebrie Sanders 28
Jermaine Thomas 13
Antwane Greenlee 21</font>

<font size="2"><font size="3"><u>Vertical Jump</u></font>
Nigel Bradham 37.0
Andrew Datko 29.4
Mike Harris 36.0
Ty Jones 30.0
Ja'Baris Little 27.0
Terrance Parks 33.5
Shawn Powell DNP
Bert Reed 34.0
Beau Reliford DNP
Zebrie Sanders 27.0
Jermaine Thomas 30.5
Antwane Greenlee 21.5</font>

<font size="2"><font size="3"><u>Broad Jump</u></font>
Nigel Bradham 9'9"
Andrew Datko 8'2"
Mike Harris 9'9"
Ty Jones 9'5"
Ja'Baris Little 8'3"
Terrance Parks 9'7.5"
Shawn Powell DNP
Bert Reed 10'2"
Beau Reliford DNP
Zebrie Sanders 7'9"
Jermaine Thomas 9'5"
Antwane Greenlee 8'8"
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nycsportzfan
03-19-2012, 05:28 PM
This isn't really draft related per say, but i seen the Panthers Signed Mike Tolbert, and i wonder if Johnathan Stewart would be available via Trade? I'd be willing to trade a4th rd pick for him, if they'd be willing to do that? I don't know what Stewart is making money wise, but i wonder if they will be trading one of Johnathan Stewart or Deangelo Williams? I'd prefer Stewart, as he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, and hes got some real power, and picked it up as a reciever this past season, catching 47 balls... Stewart and Bradshaw would make a good duo, albeit, scary durable wise...

juice33s
03-19-2012, 05:56 PM
This isn't really draft related per say, but i seen the Panthers Signed Mike Tolbert, and i wonder if Johnathan Stewart would be available via Trade? I'd be willing to trade a4th rd pick for him, if they'd be willing to do that? I don't know what Stewart is making money wise, but i wonder if they will be trading one of Johnathan Stewart or Deangelo Williams? I'd prefer Stewart, as he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, and hes got some real power, and picked it up as a reciever this past season, catching 47 balls... Stewart and Bradshaw would make a good duo, albeit, scary durable wise...
I think the Panthers plan on using Tolbert at fullback....as for Stewart, this from the Charlotte Observer:

<div class="report">"Multiple team sources" tell the Charlotte Observer
that Jonathan Stewart is "unlikely" to be traded despite the Panthers'
addition of Mike Tolbert.</div> The Panthers will
face a tough decision when Stewart enters 2013 free agency, but for now
they're poised to keep him along with DeAngelo Williams and Tolbert.
Tolbert will likely shoulder some of the load on passing downs, and
cover kicks on special teams. Stewart and Williams will be the primary
backs. The Panthers could consider cutting Williams and re-signing
Stewart next offseason, although releasing DeAngelo would cause a
roughly $5 million cap hit in 2013.

Neverend
03-20-2012, 10:34 PM
So Marc Ross personally attended Brian Quick's and Chris Given's pro days

Love Givens.. would be a pretty good deep threat on this team

nycsportzfan
03-21-2012, 06:53 AM
So Marc Ross personally attended Brian Quick's and Chris Given's pro days Love Givens.. would be a pretty good deep threat on this team I'm actually a big Brian Quick guy myself.. He gives us size at the positon, and has really strong hands, and can break tackles with his strength.. I think his skills would really work well with what we got at the positon all ready...

Redeyejedi
03-21-2012, 10:07 AM
* This isn't really draft related per say, but i seen the Panthers Signed Mike Tolbert, and i wonder if* Johnathan Stewart would be available via Trade? I'd be willing to trade a*4th rd pick for him, if they'd be willing to do that?* I don't know what Stewart is making money wise, but i* wonder if they will be trading one of Johnathan Stewart or Deangelo Williams?* I'd prefer Stewart, as he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, and hes got some real power, and picked it up as a reciever this past season, catching 47 balls...* Stewart and Bradshaw would make a good duo, albeit, scary durable wise...No way would I trade for Deangelo Williams ridiculous contract

Redeyejedi
03-21-2012, 03:43 PM
McNeese State pro day: 9 #NFL teams in attendance #Colts #Eagles #Giants #Packers #Rams #Saints #Seahawks #Texans moved indoors due to rain.

Redeyejedi
03-21-2012, 04:21 PM
Sanu is meeting with the NY Giants

"Right now I have the Bengals and I think I have the Giants. I have a couple set up. We'll set up more after my Pro Day. It is exciting and a great process, and I'm just happy to be a part of it."

BluGiantPies
03-22-2012, 01:00 AM
So Marc Ross personally attended Brian Quick's and Chris Given's pro days Love Givens.. would be a pretty good deep threat on this team** I'm actually a big Brian Quick guy myself.. He gives us size at the positon, and has really strong hands, and can break tackles with his strength..* I think his skills would really work well with what we got at the positon all ready... I really like quick as well he's a Brandon Marshall like player without the baggage

Neverend
03-22-2012, 01:26 AM
Yeah the problem with Quick though is he's a raw route runner and he might struggle with the playbook and adjusting to this system

Because of it, his rookie year might be a redshirt year. Otherwise I have no problem with him and he has great upside, the type of player the giants really love

nycsportzfan
03-22-2012, 06:26 AM
Sanu is meeting with the NY Giants "Right now I have the Bengals and I think I have the Giants. I have a couple set up. We'll set up more after my Pro Day. It is exciting and a great process, and I'm just happy to be a part of it." Ya, sanu makes sense for us, even though, i'm a tad higher on Juron Criner... I think Sanu's skills would fit in nicely with Nicks and Cruz and Jerrnigan...

nycsportzfan
03-22-2012, 06:40 AM
Yeah the problem with Quick though is he's a raw route runner and he might struggle with the playbook and adjusting to this system Because of it, his rookie year might be a redshirt year. Otherwise I have no problem with him and he has great upside, the type of player the giants really love Ya, but we got jerrnigan with a yr under his belt all ready, and if he don't work out, we got Hixon signed, and Barden on his last strike, so we should be able to give Quick a yr to learn, while playing a bit here and there... I read hes a real good kid with no off field problems at all, which is a plus... Hes got tremendous upside..</P>


I like this Quote from the kid... " I'll just be happy to be drafted, i don't care where.. Being picked is only the first step... I don't care about the money, the money dosen't matter to me"... I got this off NFLDRAFTSCOUT... u cant copy and paste from there.. </P>


I just get teh feeling this kid really likes playing football, and obviously has all the physical tools, and those kids are fun to watch...</P>

Redeyejedi
03-22-2012, 02:50 PM
Just saw on Twitter that Fleener ran a 4.45 at his pr day

Redeyejedi
03-22-2012, 03:02 PM
Reuben Randle ran a 4.33-4.36 at the pro day depending on Scout. I think he could be in play at 32. has excellent size and speed. Giants need a another outside receiver .Plus he retweets my videos.

heavyhitter
03-22-2012, 04:00 PM
Is that TE's coach Mike Pope standing out there on the field at Stanford's Pro Day?

Redeyejedi
03-22-2012, 04:03 PM
Is that TE's coach Mike Pope standing out there on the field at Stanford's Pro Day?
Where are u seeing that?

heavyhitter
03-22-2012, 04:09 PM
Not a big deal but Fleener just dropped a pass he should have caught

Redeyejedi
03-22-2012, 04:12 PM
Yeah Mike Pope is there the guy from GmenHQ tweeted it. Ive been trying to find out who was there

heavyhitter
03-22-2012, 04:13 PM
Is that TE's coach Mike Pope standing out there on the field at Stanford's Pro Day?
Where are u seeing that?Stanford's Pro Day coverage, it's definitely a Giants coach, I think that's Pope.

Neverend
03-22-2012, 04:18 PM
Yeah Mayock was talking about mike pope being there and said he loved fleener

heavyhitter
03-22-2012, 04:28 PM
Any word of any other Giants coaches there besides Pope? It's pretty clear the Giants have interest in Fleener, the question is how much and where do they have him rated on their board??

heavyhitter
03-22-2012, 06:41 PM
<font size="2"><span class="tl">Top cornerback prospect Claiborne needs wrist surgery (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=morris%20claiborne%20injury%20new s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=7&amp;sqi=2&amp;ved=0CE0QqQIwBg&amp;url=http%3 A%2F%2Fprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com%2F2012%2F03%2 F22%2Ftop-cornerback-prospect-claiborne-needs-wrist-surgery%2F&amp;ei=YqprT7zpC-TY0QHVu73wBg&amp;usg=AFQjCNFmPJvd2EsGjLtA8U_82zp6mkfsL w&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>

BlueSanta
03-22-2012, 07:14 PM
<font size="2"><span class="tl">Top cornerback prospect Claiborne needs wrist surgery (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=morris%20claiborne%20injury%20new s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=7&amp;sqi=2&amp;ved=0CE0QqQIwBg&amp;url=http%3 A%2F%2Fprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com%2F2012%2F03%2 F22%2Ftop-cornerback-prospect-claiborne-needs-wrist-surgery%2F&amp;ei=YqprT7zpC-TY0QHVu73wBg&amp;usg=AFQjCNFmPJvd2EsGjLtA8U_82zp6mkfsL w&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>
Now if he would just go out and shoot someone outside a strip club, while covered in a white powdery substance we could be sure the Cowboys would trade up for him.

heavyhitter
03-22-2012, 07:20 PM
<font size="2"><span class="tl">Top cornerback prospect Claiborne needs wrist surgery (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=morris%20claiborne%20injury%20new s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=7&amp;sqi=2&amp;ved=0CE0QqQIwBg&amp;url=http%3 A%2F%2Fprofootballtalk.nbcsports.com%2F2012%2F03%2 F22%2Ftop-cornerback-prospect-claiborne-needs-wrist-surgery%2F&amp;ei=YqprT7zpC-TY0QHVu73wBg&amp;usg=AFQjCNFmPJvd2EsGjLtA8U_82zp6mkfsL w&amp;cad=rja)</span></font>
Now if he would just go out and shoot someone outside a strip club, while covered in a white powdery substance we could be sure the Cowboys would trade up for him.
<font size="2">What happened to Bruce Irvin? It's old news now but I just saw that he got arrested a couple days ago?</font>

nycsportzfan
03-25-2012, 08:01 AM
Wow, Charles Davis latest mock has STEPON GILMORE CB S.CAR going number 11overall to the CHIEFS.. He said hes flying up draft boards... I could of seen the GIANTS going with GILMORE as he reminds me of a GIANTS type DRAFT :PICK , before we Resigned TT , but would of never guessed he could possibly go in the top 15picks overall... I thought he top out maybe pick 25ish or something... I love it because if he does go that high, its yet another player to drop to us..</P>


Also, i've mentioned Jerel Worthy DT Mich st as a player i could see us drafting, and pretty much have never bought the hype that he'd not go in RD 1 someplace, and Davis has him going pick 25, and it seems hes getting placed in RD 1 more and more recently in mocks.. Again, i really could see the GIANTS pick Worthy if hes there when we pick at 32.. He also reminds me of a GIANTS type pick...</P>

heavyhitter
03-25-2012, 09:25 PM
<font size="2">The Patriots have two 1st round picks &amp; two 2nd round picks in this years draft. Got a feeling they're gonna snatch up some guys I'm real high on and end up having a great draft class.</font>

Bohemian
03-25-2012, 09:28 PM
Remember all the talk about this guy?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/43649.html

tonyt830
03-25-2012, 09:35 PM
Wow, Charles Davis latest mock has STEPON GILMORE CB S.CAR going number 11overall to the CHIEFS.. He said hes flying up draft boards... I could of seen the GIANTS going with GILMORE as he reminds me of a GIANTS type DRAFT :PICK , before we Resigned TT , but would of never guessed he could possibly go in the top 15picks overall... I thought he top out maybe pick 25ish or something... I love it because if he does go that high, its yet another player to drop to us..</P>


Also, i've mentioned Jerel Worthy DT Mich st as a player i could see us drafting, and pretty much have never bought the hype that he'd not go in RD 1 someplace, and Davis has him going pick 25, and it seems hes getting placed in RD 1 more and more recently in mocks.. Again, i really could see the GIANTS pick Worthy if hes there when we pick at 32.. He also reminds me of a GIANTS type pick...</P>


yeah nyc, I was just looking at Charles Davis mock. He has Hightower falling to us. I don't know, but I could see a 3-4 defense like the Ravens grabbing him.</P>


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But at DT, you think the Giants would take Worthy at 32, even if Still, Thompson, or say a Cox, drops to 32? </P>

nycsportzfan
03-25-2012, 09:47 PM
Wow, Charles Davis latest mock has STEPON GILMORE CB S.CAR going number 11overall to the CHIEFS.. He said hes flying up draft boards... I could of seen the GIANTS going with GILMORE as he reminds me of a GIANTS type DRAFT :PICK , before we Resigned TT , but would of never guessed he could possibly go in the top 15picks overall... I thought he top out maybe pick 25ish or something... I love it because if he does go that high, its yet another player to drop to us..</P>


Also, i've mentioned Jerel Worthy DT Mich st as a player i could see us drafting, and pretty much have never bought the hype that he'd not go in RD 1 someplace, and Davis has him going pick 25, and it seems hes getting placed in RD 1 more and more recently in mocks.. Again, i really could see the GIANTS pick Worthy if hes there when we pick at 32.. He also reminds me of a GIANTS type pick...</P>


yeah nyc, I was just looking at Charles Davis mock. He has Hightower falling to us. I don't know, but I could see a 3-4 defense like the Ravens grabbing him.</P>


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But at DT, you think the Giants would take Worthy at 32, even if Still, Thompson, or say a Cox, drops to 32? </P>


I sure hope they'd take Cox or Still if all 3 including worthy were on the board... Now, would it surprise me if they still took worthy? Nope, it woulden't... Reese loves measurables and upside, and at least some if not great on field production, and Worthy falls into all 3 categorys... Cox is the best DT in this class in my opinion, and i'd fall on my face if hes there at 32... That would be a huge surprise.. I could see STILL be on the board, if a team prefers WORTHY though, albeit, i'd be a tad surprised, but not to much...</P>


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nycsportzfan
03-25-2012, 09:48 PM
Remember all the talk about this guy?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2004/draft/players/43649.html
ya, i kinda wished the GIANTS signed him this offseason to play G for us, or at least give us depth there....

nycsportzfan
03-25-2012, 09:51 PM
<FONT size=2>The Patriots have two 1st round picks &amp; two 2nd round picks in this years draft. Got a feeling they're gonna snatch up some guys I'm real high on and end up having a great draft class.</FONT>
ya, i do think they take at least one CB though, and i'm not to sure, i'm hoping the GIANTS take a CB to early, seeing how we resigned some guys, including TT.. I also don't see them taking a TE, which is one less team to worry about taking Allen, Fleener and Charles, and playing the 3/4 on defense, they could look for guys we'd possibly not consider for the 4/3.. Now, i could see them taking a stab at a WR we like or even a RB, but i'm glad its them this yr with alot of picks and not a team needing many of the same things we need...

Neverend
03-25-2012, 10:16 PM
<FONT size=2>The Patriots have two 1st round picks & two 2nd round picks in this years draft. Got a feeling they're gonna snatch up some guys I'm real high on and end up having a great draft class.</FONT>
** ya, i do think they take at least one CB though, and i'm not to sure, i'm hoping the GIANTS take a CB to early, seeing how we resigned some guys, including TT..* I also don't see them taking a TE, which is one less team to worry about taking Allen, Fleener and Charles, and playing the 3/4 on defense, they could look for guys we'd possibly not consider for the 4/3..* Now, i could see them taking a stab at a WR we like or even a RB, but i'm glad its them this yr with alot of picks and not a team needing many of the same things we need...

It could be a concern tho. new england loves to trade down and if a great prospect falls in the draft someone in the second round could make the jump

heavyhitter
03-25-2012, 10:31 PM
<font size="4">Here's my favorite DE in this years class. Reminds me a lot like Osi- 2012 Combine workout: Nick Perry (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d827cb4b1)</font>

heavyhitter
03-25-2012, 10:46 PM
<font size="3">Path to the Draft : 2012 Giants (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d827d2417)</font>

heavyhitter
03-25-2012, 10:52 PM
<font size="4">First Draft: Mark Barron (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d827d3782)</font>

nycsportzfan
03-26-2012, 02:14 AM
<FONT size=2>The Patriots have two 1st round picks &amp; two 2nd round picks in this years draft. Got a feeling they're gonna snatch up some guys I'm real high on and end up having a great draft class.</FONT>
ya, i do think they take at least one CB though, and i'm not to sure, i'm hoping the GIANTS take a CB to early, seeing how we resigned some guys, including TT.. I also don't see them taking a TE, which is one less team to worry about taking Allen, Fleener and Charles, and playing the 3/4 on defense, they could look for guys we'd possibly not consider for the 4/3.. Now, i could see them taking a stab at a WR we like or even a RB, but i'm glad its them this yr with alot of picks and not a team needing many of the same things we need... It could be a concern tho. new england loves to trade down and if a great prospect falls in the draft someone in the second round could make the jump ya, there is that..lol I think this is the yr the Pats go crazy and really draft a heap of players, as there sick of losing SB's to us, and they see we keep our picks and don't tinker around every yr.. Also, there quite frankly in need of of young talent, to keep there success going... But i could be wrong..

heavyhitter
03-26-2012, 04:13 AM
<font size="3">Top DB prospects (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d82719112)

2012 combine recap: Defensive backs (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d82746f69)</font>

Redeyejedi
03-26-2012, 12:28 PM
According to Giants 101 CB Omar Bolden is visiting Giants today

Actually its Aaron Wilson from @Ravensinsider

Neverend
03-26-2012, 01:05 PM
According to Giants 101 CB Omar Bolden is visiting Giants today

Actually its Aaron Wilson from @Ravensinsider

He got badly abused by marvin jones in one of your scouting videos. But according to reports hes a talented cover guy.. could be a steal in the middle of the draft

nycsportzfan
03-26-2012, 02:12 PM
According to Giants 101 CB Omar Bolden is visiting Giants today Actually its Aaron Wilson from @Ravensinsider Ya, it was reported a few pages back that he had a visit lined up with some teams, one being the giants.. Definetly one of my bigger sleepers, and as i've said, i think if healthy, he'd of been a 2nd rd pick....

nycsportzfan
03-26-2012, 03:06 PM
I was checking out Charlie Campbell's latest mock that came out this morning, and i really disliked what he had for us... Not all the picks, but he just had a ton of guys who were hit or miss, which is fine, if u have 1or2, but he had about 4of the 5picks, as hit or miss types.. I think we'll take a couple high upside guys who drop, but not that many... </P>


His draft had us going</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St- Funny, because i've been saying that i could really see us grabbing Worthy if hes on the board still at 32, as hes got the upside, measuables, and decent on field production, and plays a positon of great importance to the GIANTS success..</P>


2. Zerbie Sanders OT Fla St- Big bust here, i think.. Just not impressed with what i see from this guy..</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple- Fine with this pick... Been a pierce fan since 2010..</P>


4. Vontaze Burfict LB Arz St- Puked in my mouth!</P>


5. Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma- No problem here, but 2many hit or miss guys to go with another , in my opinion.. </P>


So Anyways, i tweaked it, and think i made a nice mock for us, that i'm proud of..lol</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Mich St</P>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown at this point, if he'll even be back, and i love the thumper from Utah St, whos everywhere on the field, and very consistent...</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- More of a pass catcher, could team with bennett to be a formidable duo, if ballard and beckum have trouble getting back from injury..</P>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- I really like this small school stud, who has made some noise since the offseason began... Great Measurables, and dominated small school comp..</P>

nycsportzfan
03-26-2012, 03:10 PM
I was checking out Charlie Campbell's latest mock that came out this morning, and i really disliked what he had for us... Not all the picks, but he just had a ton of guys who were hit or miss, which is fine, if u have 1or2, but he had about 4of the 5picks, as hit or miss types.. I think we'll take a couple high upside guys who drop, but not that many... </P>


His draft had us going</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St- Funny, because i've been saying that i could really see us grabbing Worthy if hes on the board still at 32, as hes got the upside, measuables, and decent on field production, and plays a positon of great importance to the GIANTS success..</P>


2. Zerbie Sanders OT Fla St- Big bust here, i think.. Just not impressed with what i see from this guy..</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple- Fine with this pick... Been a pierce fan since 2010..</P>


4. Vontaze Burfict LB Arz St- Puked in my mouth!</P>


5. Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma- No problem here, but 2many hit or miss guys to go with another , in my opinion.. </P>


So Anyways, i tweaked it, and think i made a nice mock for us, that i'm proud of..lol</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Mich St</P>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown at this point, if he'll even be back, and i love the thumper from Utah St, whos everywhere on the field, and very consistent...</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- More of a pass catcher, could team with bennett to be a formidable duo, if ballard and beckum have trouble getting back from injury..</P>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- I really like this small school stud, who has made some noise since the offseason began... Great Measurables, and dominated small school comp..</P>


If i were to finish the mock of, which i all ready should of done, i'd of gone with </P>


5.(Comp for cofield) Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think he fits our team like a glove...</P>


6. Sean Cattouse SS California- Another sleeper of mine, i think has the run stuffing potential, and is somewhat of a intimidator out there, and could possibly fit that deon grant role for us..</P>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arz St- Most underrated C in this class.. I think hes better then David Molk to be honest, and woulden't be surprised if he ended up a starter down the line..</P>

Raptor22
03-26-2012, 03:15 PM
Tebus, Draftek's mocks are driving me crazy... Have they ever SEEN a Giant's draft class? What in the world makes them think that not only will JR take a 5'10" receiver in the 1st, but pass up Nick Perry who is a prototype Giants DE to do it? Or do it again in the 3rd? (taking Ryan Broyles over a bunch of prototypical "Giants" picks)... and they have JR reaching almost every round (except for Broyles and Polk(?))

Oh, and passing up on Doug Martin to take Nick Polk is just stupid. Oh, and they don't have Tyrone Crawford going until the 7th...

nycsportzfan
03-26-2012, 05:04 PM
I was checking out Charlie Campbell's latest mock that came out this morning, and i really disliked what he had for us... Not all the picks, but he just had a ton of guys who were hit or miss, which is fine, if u have 1or2, but he had about 4of the 5picks, as hit or miss types.. I think we'll take a couple high upside guys who drop, but not that many... </P>


His draft had us going</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St- Funny, because i've been saying that i could really see us grabbing Worthy if hes on the board still at 32, as hes got the upside, measuables, and decent on field production, and plays a positon of great importance to the GIANTS success..</P>


2. Zerbie Sanders OT Fla St- Big bust here, i think.. Just not impressed with what i see from this guy..</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple- Fine with this pick... Been a pierce fan since 2010..</P>


4. Vontaze Burfict LB Arz St- Puked in my mouth!</P>


5. Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma- No problem here, but 2many hit or miss guys to go with another , in my opinion.. </P>


So Anyways, i tweaked it, and think i made a nice mock for us, that i'm proud of..lol</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Mich St</P>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown at this point, if he'll even be back, and i love the thumper from Utah St, whos everywhere on the field, and very consistent...</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- More of a pass catcher, could team with bennett to be a formidable duo, if ballard and beckum have trouble getting back from injury..</P>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- I really like this small school stud, who has made some noise since the offseason began... Great Measurables, and dominated small school comp..</P>


If i were to finish the mock of, which i all ready should of done, i'd of gone with </P>


5.(Comp for cofield) Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think he fits our team like a glove...</P>


6. Sean Cattouse SS California- Another sleeper of mine, i think has the run stuffing potential, and is somewhat of a intimidator out there, and could possibly fit that deon grant role for us..</P>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arz St- Most underrated C in this class.. I think hes better then David Molk to be honest, and woulden't be surprised if he ended up a starter down the line..</P>


I Gotta do a new mock now that i know we got a extra 4th rd pick!!!!!!lol Freaking stoked! Reese is gonna kill it this yr, yet again! Comp pick changes my philosophy..</P>


1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- We simply need another RB, with Bradshaw's always injured feet, and jacobs gone as of now, and nothing behind him to speak of, as far as what they've shown to this point.. Doug Martin is the most complete back in this draft, in my opinion.. Hes a bowling ball, and ELI will love having him as a weapon to throw to outta backfield...</P>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown if he'll be back, and Wagner is a all over the field LB that makes plays and hits hard.. I think Jaquian Williams and Wagner would make tons of plays side by side for yrs to come...</P>


3. Jeff Allen OT Illinois- Could help at T or G, and could be a find late 3rd, if still on board...</P>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- Tons of upside as a pass catcher, and Pope should be able to help his blocking down the line.. Green and Eli in the redzone is a scary thought for defenses...</P>


4.(comp) Donnie Fletcher CB Boston College- Solid Value, and fits the Size the Giants like at CB... This has Reese Value pick written all over it..</P>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- Big upside, and great measuarables, and has performed well in offseason workouts.. Keep the depth growing on the oline... I think Compton could max out as a LT in the pros...</P>


6. Scott Solomon DE Rice- I love this kid.. Hes one of my top sleepers, and would be perfect to fill the role that Tollefson held for us, as a rotational DE that can rush the passer...</P>


7. Derek Moye WR Penn St- Give this kid a legit WR, and watch out.. He's gonna love having a QB who can actually get him the ball, if given a legit shot.. Moye will be a steal if drafted by Giants...</P>

Raptor22
03-26-2012, 07:02 PM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)

heavyhitter
03-26-2012, 11:04 PM
<font size="2">My number 2 rated CB in this years draft behind Mo Claiborne, Janoris Jenkins. This kid is a baller and I love his style of play at corner. Jenkins a changed man? (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d8274546d)</font>

BlueSanta
03-27-2012, 04:00 AM
I was checking out Charlie Campbell's latest mock that came out this morning, and i really disliked what he had for us... Not all the picks, but he just had a ton of guys who were hit or miss, which is fine, if u have 1or2, but he had about 4of the 5picks, as hit or miss types.. I think we'll take a couple high upside guys who drop, but not that many... </p>


His draft had us going</p>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St- Funny, because i've been saying that i could really see us grabbing Worthy if hes on the board still at 32, as hes got the upside, measuables, and decent on field production, and plays a positon of great importance to the GIANTS success..</p>


2. Zerbie Sanders OT Fla St- Big bust here, i think.. Just not impressed with what i see from this guy..</p>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple- Fine with this pick... Been a pierce fan since 2010..</p>


4. Vontaze Burfict LB Arz St- Puked in my mouth!</p>


5. Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma- No problem here, but 2many hit or miss guys to go with another , in my opinion.. </p>


So Anyways, i tweaked it, and think i made a nice mock for us, that i'm proud of..lol</p>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Mich St</p>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown at this point, if he'll even be back, and i love the thumper from Utah St, whos everywhere on the field, and very consistent...</p>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</p>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- More of a pass catcher, could team with bennett to be a formidable duo, if ballard and beckum have trouble getting back from injury..</p>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- I really like this small school stud, who has made some noise since the offseason began... Great Measurables, and dominated small school comp..</p>


If i were to finish the mock of, which i all ready should of done, i'd of gone with </p>


5.(Comp for cofield) Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think he fits our team like a glove...</p>


6. Sean Cattouse SS California- Another sleeper of mine, i think has the run stuffing potential, and is somewhat of a intimidator out there, and could possibly fit that deon grant role for us..</p>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arz St- Most underrated C in this class.. I think hes better then David Molk to be honest, and woulden't be surprised if he ended up a starter down the line..</p>


I Gotta do a new mock now that i know we got a extra 4th rd pick!!!!!!lol Freaking stoked! Reese is gonna kill it this yr, yet again! Comp pick changes my philosophy..</p>


1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- We simply need another RB, with Bradshaw's always injured feet, and jacobs gone as of now, and nothing behind him to speak of, as far as what they've shown to this point.. Doug Martin is the most complete back in this draft, in my opinion.. Hes a bowling ball, and ELI will love having him as a weapon to throw to outta backfield...</p>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown if he'll be back, and Wagner is a all over the field LB that makes plays and hits hard.. I think Jaquian Williams and Wagner would make tons of plays side by side for yrs to come...</p>


3. Jeff Allen OT Illinois- Could help at T or G, and could be a find late 3rd, if still on board...</p>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- Tons of upside as a pass catcher, and Pope should be able to help his blocking down the line.. Green and Eli in the redzone is a scary thought for defenses...</p>


4.(comp) Donnie Fletcher CB Boston College- Solid Value, and fits the Size the Giants like at CB... This has Reese Value pick written all over it..</p>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- Big upside, and great measuarables, and has performed well in offseason workouts.. Keep the depth growing on the oline... I think Compton could max out as a LT in the pros...</p>


6. Scott Solomon DE Rice- I love this kid.. Hes one of my top sleepers, and would be perfect to fill the role that Tollefson held for us, as a rotational DE that can rush the passer...</p>


7. Derek Moye WR Penn St- Give this kid a legit WR, and watch out.. He's gonna love having a QB who can actually get him the ball, if given a legit shot.. Moye will be a steal if drafted by Giants...</p>
thats a hot draft, ima buy it a drink and hit on it. Dont tell my wife.

BlueSanta
03-27-2012, 04:01 AM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)


To me, Gilmore has Giants written all over him. My only concern is how he did in interviews. But, if that went ov er well, I could see us jumping on him.

nycsportzfan
03-27-2012, 05:48 AM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)


To me, Gilmore has Giants written all over him. My only concern is how he did in interviews. But, if that went ov er well, I could see us jumping on him.
I put Gilmore down in the thread i started, "players u think giants will draft and or show high interest in"... As u said, i feel Gilmore has Giants written all over him, and really reminds me alot of Corey Webster... I bet Reese is drewling over Gilmore and Omar Bolden, when he thinks of the corners in this draft...

nycsportzfan
03-27-2012, 05:49 AM
I was checking out Charlie Campbell's latest mock that came out this morning, and i really disliked what he had for us... Not all the picks, but he just had a ton of guys who were hit or miss, which is fine, if u have 1or2, but he had about 4of the 5picks, as hit or miss types.. I think we'll take a couple high upside guys who drop, but not that many... </P>


His draft had us going</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St- Funny, because i've been saying that i could really see us grabbing Worthy if hes on the board still at 32, as hes got the upside, measuables, and decent on field production, and plays a positon of great importance to the GIANTS success..</P>


2. Zerbie Sanders OT Fla St- Big bust here, i think.. Just not impressed with what i see from this guy..</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple- Fine with this pick... Been a pierce fan since 2010..</P>


4. Vontaze Burfict LB Arz St- Puked in my mouth!</P>


5. Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma- No problem here, but 2many hit or miss guys to go with another , in my opinion.. </P>


So Anyways, i tweaked it, and think i made a nice mock for us, that i'm proud of..lol</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Mich St</P>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown at this point, if he'll even be back, and i love the thumper from Utah St, whos everywhere on the field, and very consistent...</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- More of a pass catcher, could team with bennett to be a formidable duo, if ballard and beckum have trouble getting back from injury..</P>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- I really like this small school stud, who has made some noise since the offseason began... Great Measurables, and dominated small school comp..</P>


If i were to finish the mock of, which i all ready should of done, i'd of gone with </P>


5.(Comp for cofield) Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think he fits our team like a glove...</P>


6. Sean Cattouse SS California- Another sleeper of mine, i think has the run stuffing potential, and is somewhat of a intimidator out there, and could possibly fit that deon grant role for us..</P>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arz St- Most underrated C in this class.. I think hes better then David Molk to be honest, and woulden't be surprised if he ended up a starter down the line..</P>


I Gotta do a new mock now that i know we got a extra 4th rd pick!!!!!!lol Freaking stoked! Reese is gonna kill it this yr, yet again! Comp pick changes my philosophy..</P>


1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- We simply need another RB, with Bradshaw's always injured feet, and jacobs gone as of now, and nothing behind him to speak of, as far as what they've shown to this point.. Doug Martin is the most complete back in this draft, in my opinion.. Hes a bowling ball, and ELI will love having him as a weapon to throw to outta backfield...</P>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown if he'll be back, and Wagner is a all over the field LB that makes plays and hits hard.. I think Jaquian Williams and Wagner would make tons of plays side by side for yrs to come...</P>


3. Jeff Allen OT Illinois- Could help at T or G, and could be a find late 3rd, if still on board...</P>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- Tons of upside as a pass catcher, and Pope should be able to help his blocking down the line.. Green and Eli in the redzone is a scary thought for defenses...</P>


4.(comp) Donnie Fletcher CB Boston College- Solid Value, and fits the Size the Giants like at CB... This has Reese Value pick written all over it..</P>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- Big upside, and great measuarables, and has performed well in offseason workouts.. Keep the depth growing on the oline... I think Compton could max out as a LT in the pros...</P>


6. Scott Solomon DE Rice- I love this kid.. Hes one of my top sleepers, and would be perfect to fill the role that Tollefson held for us, as a rotational DE that can rush the passer...</P>


7. Derek Moye WR Penn St- Give this kid a legit WR, and watch out.. He's gonna love having a QB who can actually get him the ball, if given a legit shot.. Moye will be a steal if drafted by Giants...</P>
thats a hot draft, ima buy it a drink and hit on it. Dont tell my wife.
LOL! I'm glad u like!

Kase-1
03-27-2012, 08:56 AM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)


To me, Gilmore has Giants written all over him. My only concern is how he did in interviews. But, if that went ov er well, I could see us jumping on him.
You really think so??

The way he shies away from contact at the line leads me to believe the opposite about him. Our CBs are big, physical, bastids that can rough you up at the line no problem. It looks like Gilmore has never laid hands on someone within 10yds ofthe LOS

Raptor22
03-27-2012, 09:47 AM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)


To me, Gilmore has Giants written all over him. My only concern is how he did in interviews. But, if that went ov er well, I could see us jumping on him.
You really think so??

The way he shies away from contact at the line leads me to believe the opposite about him. Our CBs are big, physical, bastids that can rough you up at the line no problem. It looks like Gilmore has never laid hands on someone within 10yds ofthe LOS


That's SC's defensive scheme. They play a LOT of press/bail or off man coverage, which really clashes with his skill set. He's pretty ferocious in run support, and is a good blitzer as well (I think I've even seen him line up at LB).

In the two vids Redeye has of him, I believe he got 1 punt block returned for a TD, a couple TFL's, a sack or two and at least 1 pick. There are low-lights as well, but most of the catches on him are when they have both CB's lining up 10yrds off. But then, the play usually stops when he arrives.

NCGiant23
03-27-2012, 10:22 AM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)


To me, Gilmore has Giants written all over him. My only concern is how he did in interviews. But, if that went ov er well, I could see us jumping on him.
I put Gilmore down in the thread i started, "players u think giants will draft and or show high interest in"... As u said, i feel Gilmore has Giants written all over him, and really reminds me alot of Corey Webster... I bet Reese is drewling over Gilmore and Omar Bolden, when he thinks of the corners in this draft...I think you're greatly overvaluing Gilmore. The guy did not have a good year this year. He got beat multiple times over and simply didn't produce the way he has in years past. He's a 2nd rd pick imo.

Kase-1
03-27-2012, 10:38 AM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)


To me, Gilmore has Giants written all over him. My only concern is how he did in interviews. But, if that went ov er well, I could see us jumping on him.
You really think so??

The way he shies away from contact at the line leads me to believe the opposite about him. Our CBs are big, physical, bastids that can rough you up at the line no problem. It looks like Gilmore has never laid hands on someone within 10yds ofthe LOS


That's SC's defensive scheme. They play a LOT of press/bail or off man coverage, which really clashes with his skill set. He's pretty ferocious in run support, and is a good blitzer as well (I think I've even seen him line up at LB).

In the two vids Redeye has of him, I believe he got 1 punt block returned for a TD, a couple TFL's, a sack or two and at least 1 pick. There are low-lights as well, but most of the catches on him are when they have both CB's lining up 10yrds off. But then, the play usually stops when he arrives.
Im no college ball expert, but it just made me very uneasy to see him rarely touching the WRs off the line. Yes, he's damned good in coverage, but I want our guys roughing up the WRs off the line

nycsportzfan
03-27-2012, 04:23 PM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)


To me, Gilmore has Giants written all over him. My only concern is how he did in interviews. But, if that went ov er well, I could see us jumping on him.
I put Gilmore down in the thread i started, "players u think giants will draft and or show high interest in"... As u said, i feel Gilmore has Giants written all over him, and really reminds me alot of Corey Webster... I bet Reese is drewling over Gilmore and Omar Bolden, when he thinks of the corners in this draft...I think you're greatly overvaluing Gilmore. The guy did not have a good year this year. He got beat multiple times over and simply didn't produce the way he has in years past. He's a 2nd rd pick imo.
Who'd he get beat by? Jarious Wright did all his damage against other db's, with both of his TD's coming when Gilmore was not playing him.... Clemson did squat in the air against them... Really no one outside of Arkansas did much in the air against S.Carolina, unless u include GA, and that wasen't much to do with gilmore either..

Redeyejedi
03-27-2012, 07:49 PM
Watching some more Gilmore, and while I liked him before, I never really WATCHED him (I spent more time watching SC's line, because when they were on, it was like watching the G-Men when their line's going. A thing of beauty...).

If the top DE's aren't around, and Gilmore is, I would wholeheartedly support that pick. He really reminds me of TT24 (although, I've seen comparisons to pre-injury Ross). He plays FAST, hits hard in the run game, and makes plays in the passing game, as well as on ST's.

...and we need more guys with great hair (which is one reason why I want them to nab Marcel Jones)


To me, Gilmore has Giants written all over him. My only concern is how he did in interviews. But, if that went ov er well, I could see us jumping on him.
* I put Gilmore down in the thread i started, "players u think giants will draft and or show high interest in"... As u said, i feel Gilmore has Giants written all over him, and really reminds me alot of Corey Webster...* I bet Reese is drewling over Gilmore and Omar Bolden,* when he thinks of the corners in this draft...I think you're greatly overvaluing Gilmore.* The guy did not have a good year this year.* He got beat multiple times over and simply didn't produce the way he has in years past.* He's a 2nd rd pick imo.
* Who'd he get beat by?* Jarious Wright did all his damage against other db's, with both of his TD's coming when Gilmore was not playing him.... Clemson did squat in the air against them...* Really no one outside of Arkansas did much in the air against S.Carolina, unless u include GA, and that wasen't much to do with gilmore either..He played well against Clemson I was going to cut a vid of him but there was nothing there to do. Donnie Fletcher and Gilmore to me are the 2 guys that look like Giant corners the most in this draft

slipknottin
03-27-2012, 07:58 PM
Donnie Fletcher and Gilmore to me are the 2 guys that look like Giant corners the most in this draft

I really like Donnie Fletcher. Hard to tell when he will get drafted though. Ive seen him as a 4th rounder, but he did run sub 4.4 at his proday. Might be a late riser as teams look at him more.

Still not sure how he didnt get invited to the combine.

heavyhitter
03-28-2012, 09:31 AM
<font size="2"><font size="3">PRO DAY
March 28: Central Florida, Connecticut, Newberry, Northern Iowa, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Carolina State</font>

</font>

<font size="2">Here are the other notable performers from Vanderbilt’s pro day:</font></p>


<font size="2">Casey Hayward, CB (5-11 1/4, 193) — Brett Maxie, current Dallas Cowboys secondary coach (http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_biosCoachExec.cfm?newName=Brett_Maxie)
and a veteran of 13 NFL seasons as a safety, worked Hayward out during
position drills. Hayward — who worked out at the combine — is a solid
player who helped himself out during the workout, and figures to be
selected in the lower half of the second round or early in the third
round.</font></p>

<font size="2"><font size="3">Notre Dame's Smith ready to face NFL's new breed of tight ends</font> (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d827e96b1)</font></p>

Raptor22
03-28-2012, 11:51 AM
Alshon Jeffery just threw down 4.39 and 4.47sec 40 times.

36.5in vertical, 10'2" long jump, and weighed in at 213.

heavyhitter
03-28-2012, 01:34 PM
Alshon Jeffery just threw down 4.39 and 4.47sec 40 times.

36.5in vertical, 10'2" long jump, and weighed in at 213.

4.52 official time??

Raptor22
03-29-2012, 10:06 AM
We've talked about sleepers, and risers... but what about the guys going in the other direction?

What diamonds do you think will/could fall into JR's hands?

Personally, I've been thinking that Micheal Brockers will be the DT to fall. The kid is raw as hell, and he played too heavy, but he fits JR's mold to a T. If he could get down to a semi-lean 305, he could be a terror.

Also, I'm looking at Kuechly as a possible faller. I love the kid, but given how the LB market has moved, or rather, hasn't, I don't see much interest in LB's this year in the NFL. Also, I'm wondering how much of his combine numbers are the product of post-season workouts. His combine numbers were as good if not better than Patrick Willis', and while Kuechly is a great prospect, I don't see "best LB in the league" when I watch him play. And given how prone GM's are to talking themselves out of picks, if I'M thinking that, they probably are too.

Neverend
03-30-2012, 12:45 AM
We've talked about sleepers, and risers... but what about the guys going in the other direction?

What diamonds do you think will/could fall into JR's hands?

Personally, I've been thinking that Micheal Brockers will be the DT to fall. The kid is raw as hell, and he played too heavy, but he fits JR's mold to a T. If he could get down to a semi-lean 305, he could be a terror.

Also, I'm looking at Kuechly as a possible faller. I love the kid, but given how the LB market has moved, or rather, hasn't, I don't see much interest in LB's this year in the NFL. Also, I'm wondering how much of his combine numbers are the product of post-season workouts. His combine numbers were as good if not better than Patrick Willis', and while Kuechly is a great prospect, I don't see "best LB in the league" when I watch him play. And given how prone GM's are to talking themselves out of picks, if I'M thinking that, they probably are too.


Thats what scares me a little about Kuechly as well. He's a very good athlete, no doubt. He can stick his foot in the ground, create a burst, and close on ball carriers. However, I just don't see that elite lower body explosion in games that you saw in the combine. He gets engulfed by blockers his fair share of times. His short shuttle was phenomenal and better than most receivers at the combine but you don't see that elite change of direction ability in games either

I think maybe the post season workouts may have made him even better. It's a new facet and dynamic of Kuechly game's that he's worked on and we haven't seen in college. Or, well, that's at least my theory. Because unless he took some human growth hormones or something, you don't put up those numbers unless you're a heck of an athlete.

slipknottin
03-30-2012, 12:54 AM
Alshon Jeffery just threw down* 4.39 and 4.47sec 40 times.

36.5in vertical, 10'2" long jump, and weighed in at 213.



He didnt run sub 4.4, barely cracked 4.5.

nycsportzfan
03-30-2012, 06:32 AM
<FONT size=2><FONT size=3>PRO DAY
March 28: Central Florida, Connecticut, Newberry, Northern Iowa, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Carolina State</FONT>

</FONT>


<FONT size=2>Here are the other notable performers from Vanderbilt’s pro day:</FONT></P>


<FONT size=2>Casey Hayward, CB (5-11 1/4, 193) — Brett Maxie, current Dallas Cowboys secondary coach (http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_biosCoachExec.cfm?newName=Brett_Maxie) and a veteran of 13 NFL seasons as a safety, worked Hayward out during position drills. Hayward — who worked out at the combine — is a solid player who helped himself out during the workout, and figures to be selected in the lower half of the second round or early in the third round.</FONT></P>


<FONT size=2><FONT size=3>Notre Dame's Smith ready to face NFL's new breed of tight ends</FONT> (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d827e96b1)</FONT></P>
I've said numerous times for months now, i think Hayward is the 2nd best CB in this draft after Claiborne... I thought at one point he would eventually rise into late 1st rd contention, and i think when said and done, his on field production is gonna be that of a 1st rder.. Doug Martin and Casey Hayward have been 2 of my favorite prospects since the season, and i;ve thought them both to be grossley underrated and just a matter of time before NFL teams nad Draft guru's start catching on, and for the most part, they have or are in the midst of doing so...

Redeyejedi
03-30-2012, 08:19 AM
Alshon Jeffery just threw down* 4.39 and 4.47sec 40 times.

36.5in vertical, 10'2" long jump, and weighed in at 213.



He didnt run sub 4.4, barely cracked 4.5.Doesnt matter. He isnt that fast on the field anyway. He plays like a 4.60 guy in pads. Speed isnt the biggest deal with him anyway.

Redeyejedi
03-30-2012, 08:21 AM
<FONT size=2><FONT size=3>PRO DAY
March 28: Central Florida, Connecticut, Newberry, Northern Iowa, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Carolina State</FONT>

</FONT>


<FONT size=2>Here are the other notable performers from Vanderbilt’s pro day:</FONT></P>


<FONT size=2>Casey Hayward, CB (5-11 1/4, 193) — Brett Maxie, current Dallas Cowboys secondary coach (http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_biosCoachExec.cfm?newName=Brett_Maxie) and a veteran of 13 NFL seasons as a safety, worked Hayward out during position drills. Hayward — who worked out at the combine — is a solid player who helped himself out during the workout, and figures to be selected in the lower half of the second round or early in the third round.</FONT></P>


<FONT size=2><FONT size=3>Notre Dame's Smith ready to face NFL's new breed of tight ends</FONT> (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d827e96b1)</FONT></P>
* I've said numerous times for months now, i think Hayward is the 2nd best CB in this draft after Claiborne... I thought at one point he would eventually rise into late 1st rd contention, and i think when said and done, his on field production is gonna be that of a 1st rder..** Doug Martin and Casey Hayward have been 2 of my favorite prospects since the season, and i;ve thought them both to be grossley underrated and just a matter of time before NFL teams nad Draft guru's start catching on, and for the most part, they have or are in the midst of doing so...Heyward is one of my favorite players to cut videos for and I usually hate cutting CB's.

Finally went over 1,000,000 views on my Jmpasq acount
Over 1.5 Million total

nycsportzfan
03-30-2012, 05:34 PM
I was checking out Charlie Campbell's latest mock that came out this morning, and i really disliked what he had for us... Not all the picks, but he just had a ton of guys who were hit or miss, which is fine, if u have 1or2, but he had about 4of the 5picks, as hit or miss types.. I think we'll take a couple high upside guys who drop, but not that many... </P>


His draft had us going</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St- Funny, because i've been saying that i could really see us grabbing Worthy if hes on the board still at 32, as hes got the upside, measuables, and decent on field production, and plays a positon of great importance to the GIANTS success..</P>


2. Zerbie Sanders OT Fla St- Big bust here, i think.. Just not impressed with what i see from this guy..</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple- Fine with this pick... Been a pierce fan since 2010..</P>


4. Vontaze Burfict LB Arz St- Puked in my mouth!</P>


5. Travis Lewis LB Oklahoma- No problem here, but 2many hit or miss guys to go with another , in my opinion.. </P>


So Anyways, i tweaked it, and think i made a nice mock for us, that i'm proud of..lol</P>


1. Jerel Worthy DT Mich St</P>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown at this point, if he'll even be back, and i love the thumper from Utah St, whos everywhere on the field, and very consistent...</P>


3. Bernard Pierce RB Temple</P>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- More of a pass catcher, could team with bennett to be a formidable duo, if ballard and beckum have trouble getting back from injury..</P>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- I really like this small school stud, who has made some noise since the offseason began... Great Measurables, and dominated small school comp..</P>


If i were to finish the mock of, which i all ready should of done, i'd of gone with </P>


5.(Comp for cofield) Danny Coale WR Va Tech- I think he fits our team like a glove...</P>


6. Sean Cattouse SS California- Another sleeper of mine, i think has the run stuffing potential, and is somewhat of a intimidator out there, and could possibly fit that deon grant role for us..</P>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arz St- Most underrated C in this class.. I think hes better then David Molk to be honest, and woulden't be surprised if he ended up a starter down the line..</P>


I Gotta do a new mock now that i know we got a extra 4th rd pick!!!!!!lol Freaking stoked! Reese is gonna kill it this yr, yet again! Comp pick changes my philosophy..</P>


1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- We simply need another RB, with Bradshaw's always injured feet, and jacobs gone as of now, and nothing behind him to speak of, as far as what they've shown to this point.. Doug Martin is the most complete back in this draft, in my opinion.. Hes a bowling ball, and ELI will love having him as a weapon to throw to outta backfield...</P>


2. Bobby Wagner LB Utah St- Goff is unknown if he'll be back, and Wagner is a all over the field LB that makes plays and hits hard.. I think Jaquian Williams and Wagner would make tons of plays side by side for yrs to come...</P>


3. Jeff Allen OT Illinois- Could help at T or G, and could be a find late 3rd, if still on board...</P>


4. Ladarious Green TE La Tech- Tons of upside as a pass catcher, and Pope should be able to help his blocking down the line.. Green and Eli in the redzone is a scary thought for defenses...</P>


4.(comp) Donnie Fletcher CB Boston College- Solid Value, and fits the Size the Giants like at CB... This has Reese Value pick written all over it..</P>


5. Tom Compton OT S.Dakota St- Big upside, and great measuarables, and has performed well in offseason workouts.. Keep the depth growing on the oline... I think Compton could max out as a LT in the pros...</P>


6. Scott Solomon DE Rice- I love this kid.. Hes one of my top sleepers, and would be perfect to fill the role that Tollefson held for us, as a rotational DE that can rush the passer...</P>


7. Derek Moye WR Penn St- Give this kid a legit WR, and watch out.. He's gonna love having a QB who can actually get him the ball, if given a legit shot.. Moye will be a steal if drafted by Giants...</P>



thats a hot draft, ima buy it a drink and hit on it. Dont tell my wife.
This might make u want to hit on it even more...lol </P>
<H1 class=storyhdl>Utah State LB Bobby Wagner d***les during belated Pro Day</H1>
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After being named the <FONT color=#3b5998>North Team's Most Outstanding Player</FONT> (http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/34613348) in the Senior Bowl, Utah State linebacker Bobby Wagner had been expected to continue his rise up draft boards with an impressive showing at the 2012 Scouting Combine.

<FONT color=#3b5998>A bout with pneumonia</FONT> (http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/34960788) instead landed him in an Arizona hospital and he wasn't able to perform drills for scouts until today's Pro Day workout. After an impressive all-around performance that would have ranked among the Combine's best among linebackers, his stock could once again be on the rise.

Wagner showed very good speed and incredible overall explosiveness throughout the workout. He was clocked at in the high 4.4s to low 4.5s on most watches, with a low time being 4.45 seconds. That mark would have beaten Cal's Mychal Kendricks' 4.45 time at the Combine. Wagner also matched Kendricks' 39.5" vertical jump, which led all linebackers at the Combine and posted a jaw-dropping 11'0 broad jump that not only beat all linebackers tested in Indianapolis (beating Kendricks' position-best effort by five inches), it was just one inch behind the best efforts put forth at the 2012 by any prospect. Georgia Tech wide receiver Stephen Hill and Central Florida cornerback Josh Robinson recorded broad jumps of 11'1".

Having not attended the Combine, Wagner's official height, weight, arm and hand sizes were an important piece of information to scouts. The Utah State linebacker measured in at 6-0 (3/8) and 235 pounds. His arm length was 33 inches. His wingspan was 78.5 inches. Wagner's hand was measured at 9.5 inches.

Wagner is <FONT color=#6e8dcf>currently NFLDraftScout.com's No. 6 rated outside linebacker</FONT> (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2012/OLB). He finished tied for fourth in the country in total tackles this season (147) while playing middle linebacker for the Aggies and could remain at this position in the NFL. As the athleticism he demonstrated today proves, however, Wagner has the agility, speed and explosiveness to play outside in the 4-3, as well.

Wagner is viewed as a likely second round pick. </P>

nycsportzfan
03-30-2012, 05:38 PM
<FONT size=2><FONT size=3>PRO DAY
March 28: Central Florida, Connecticut, Newberry, Northern Iowa, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Carolina State</FONT>

</FONT>


<FONT size=2>Here are the other notable performers from Vanderbilt’s pro day:</FONT></P>


<FONT size=2>Casey Hayward, CB (5-11 1/4, 193) — Brett Maxie, current Dallas Cowboys secondary coach (http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_biosCoachExec.cfm?newName=Brett_Maxie) and a veteran of 13 NFL seasons as a safety, worked Hayward out during position drills. Hayward — who worked out at the combine — is a solid player who helped himself out during the workout, and figures to be selected in the lower half of the second round or early in the third round.</FONT></P>


<FONT size=2><FONT size=3>Notre Dame's Smith ready to face NFL's new breed of tight ends</FONT> (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d827e96b1)</FONT></P>



I've said numerous times for months now, i think Hayward is the 2nd best CB in this draft after Claiborne... I thought at one point he would eventually rise into late 1st rd contention, and i think when said and done, his on field production is gonna be that of a 1st rder.. Doug Martin and Casey Hayward have been 2 of my favorite prospects since the season, and i;ve thought them both to be grossley underrated and just a matter of time before NFL teams nad Draft guru's start catching on, and for the most part, they have or are in the midst of doing so...Heyward is one of my favorite players to cut videos for and I usually hate cutting CB's. Finally went over 1,000,000 views on my Jmpasq acount Over 1.5 Million total Ya, Heyward has been one of my "rave" guys forever now.. I just think hes outstanding and just plays football really well.. Hes one of those guys ur gonna look back in 4yrs and wonder how the heck NFL teams let em go to RD 2.. I've said the same thing about Whitney Mercilus and Doug Martin, but at least both of them have a chance to go in RD 1, with Mercilus almost guranteed to go there.. A ton of my favorite players have tore up draft boards this yr.. I'm really feeling my fave's this yr, even more then most other yrs...</P>


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Redeyejedi
03-30-2012, 06:39 PM
Eagles holding a workout for Ryan Tannehill. Thats the best fit for him to land. Andy Reids offense has made Kevin Kolb and AJ Feely look good. Tannehill is 10 times for physically gifted then those guys.

nycsportzfan
03-30-2012, 06:44 PM
Eagles holding a workout for Ryan Tannehill. Thats the best fit for him to land. Andy Reids offense has made Kevin Kolb and AJ Feely look good. Tannehill is 10 times for physically gifted then those guys. I would love him to land in Philly, instead of guys like Kucehly or Cox... I just don't see it in Tannehill, and would be stoked if thats the way they go..

heavyhitter
03-30-2012, 08:00 PM
Alshon Jeffery just threw down 4.39 and 4.47sec 40 times.

36.5in vertical, 10'2" long jump, and weighed in at 213.



He didnt run sub 4.4, barely cracked 4.5.Doesnt matter. He isnt that fast on the field anyway. He plays like a 4.60 guy in pads. Speed isnt the biggest deal with him anyway.<font size="2">His weight is the issue. Which guy are you gonna get after he's drafted, the 213 lb Jeffery, or a 230+ pound Jeffery? Can't question his talent/ability and playmaking skills though.</font>

heavyhitter
03-30-2012, 08:06 PM
<font size="2"><font size="3">PRO DAY
March 28: Central Florida, Connecticut, Newberry, Northern Iowa, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Carolina State</font>

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<font size="2">Here are the other notable performers from Vanderbilt’s pro day:</font></p>


<font size="2">Casey Hayward, CB (5-11 1/4, 193) — Brett Maxie, current Dallas Cowboys secondary coach (http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_biosCoachExec.cfm?newName=Brett_Maxie) and a veteran of 13 NFL seasons as a safety, worked Hayward out during position drills. Hayward — who worked out at the combine — is a solid player who helped himself out during the workout, and figures to be selected in the lower half of the second round or early in the third round.</font></p>


<font size="2"><font size="3">Notre Dame's Smith ready to face NFL's new breed of tight ends</font> (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d827e96b1)</font></p>
I've said numerous times for months now, i think Hayward is the 2nd best CB in this draft after Claiborne... I thought at one point he would eventually rise into late 1st rd contention, and i think when said and done, his on field production is gonna be that of a 1st rder.. Doug Martin and Casey Hayward have been 2 of my favorite prospects since the season, and i;ve thought them both to be grossley underrated and just a matter of time before NFL teams nad Draft guru's start catching on, and for the most part, they have or are in the midst of doing so...Heyward is one of my favorite players to cut videos for and I usually hate cutting CB's. <font size="2">Heyward is another CB who fits the Giants defensive coverage scheme to a T. </font>

heavyhitter
03-30-2012, 08:29 PM
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heavyhitter
03-30-2012, 08:56 PM
<h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Impressions of Alabama pro day (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d827f5e8a/Impressions-of-Alabama-pro-day)</font></h3>

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gmen0820
03-31-2012, 11:00 PM
Eagles holding a workout for Ryan Tannehill. Thats the best fit for him to land. Andy Reids offense has made Kevin Kolb and AJ Feely look good. Tannehill is 10 times for physically gifted then those guys.I personally see a lot to like in Tannehill. The kid is incredible in the pocket, has mobility, and is still growing as a passer. He throws with timing and anticipation, and he is pretty good at it. Excellent on the move as well.

He would be great in the WCO, and under Reid's tutelage, he could probably become a top 10 QB. Problem is, Philly would have to trade up, and pretty far. There is no way he makes it past Cleveland and Miami.

I can see where people see the bust potential, but there is so much to like as well.

gmen0820
04-01-2012, 08:36 PM
Marvin Jones is becoming one of my favorite receivers in this whole class. I have moved him up to three in my own rankings, and he's quickly gaining a first round grade for me.

Stephen Hill, free falling. The more I watch him, the less savvy of a player in terms of routes, he has great speed, but not a great seperator, and I don't really see a NATURAL hands catcher.

As of now:
-1. Michael Floyd
-2. Justin Blackmon
-3. Marvin Jones
-4. Kendall Wright
-5. Reuben Randle*

*I really want to put a healthy Greg Childs at 5.

Neverend
04-01-2012, 09:27 PM
I've been very high on marvin jones since those reports of him being dominant in the senior bowl practices.

Behind kendall wright, he might be the best non-slot receiver in the draft getting separation in intermediate passing game or against isolation cvg. He has great quickness and extremely sharp unlike a lot of receivers in this draft

Would have to agree about hill slipping. I'm in love with his body control and top end speed but I'm now starting to go skeptical. Just isn't a great route runner and like alshon jeffery, because of his size he might struggle to get separation. He can make up for it by developing some savvy/moves but, again, is so raw its going to take some development in that category. Slipping on the Hill bandwagon, although I'll fall right back on it when I watch his highlights again haha

FroZeNx31x
04-01-2012, 09:34 PM
I really like Harrison Smith. Will be a easy transition from Grant to Smith if he fell to us in the draft. I doubt we would draft a Safety in the first though.

JPP
04-02-2012, 05:24 PM
I really like Harrison Smith. Will be a easy transition from Grant to Smith if he fell to us in the draft. I doubt we would draft a Safety in the first though.

Phillips? Hell it was even with one of the last picks in the round.

Redeyejedi
04-03-2012, 08:15 AM
Morris Claiborne scored a 4 on the Wonderlic . Thats the lowest score Ive ever seen reported

GMENAGAIN
04-03-2012, 08:31 AM
Morris Claiborne scored a 4 on the Wonderlic . Thats the lowest score Ive ever seen reported</P>


Just saw that . . . . if that's true, how can that not drop him at least a littlein the draft? </P>

Kase-1
04-03-2012, 10:46 AM
Morris Claiborne scored a 4 on the Wonderlic . Thats the lowest score Ive ever seen reportedWhat did Manningham score, I remember when we drafted him he had a score that screamed 'I write with crayons' all over it

nycsportzfan
04-04-2012, 07:08 AM
Doug Martin is Walt Footballs 1st pick for our Giants in his latest MOCK DRAFT which came out today.. Hes got him going ahead of Lamar Miller and David Wilson.. I said months ago, way before Martins rise, that i thoguht he was the 2nd best RB in this class behind Trent Richardson, and hes slowley making that rise, just as Fletcher Cox and Whitney Mercilus also have all ready done, which were 2other prospects i thought would rise up and really love as prospects.. It kinda stinks, because the more these guys rise, the less chance for us to get em, but its cool to see em rise when u called it..lol Tooting my own horn!!! Toot Toot!</P>


22days baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</P>

JPP
04-04-2012, 12:39 PM
Doug Martin is Walt Footballs 1st pick for our Giants in his latest MOCK DRAFT which came out today.. Hes got him going ahead of Lamar Miller and David Wilson.. I said months ago, way before Martins rise, that i thoguht he was the 2nd best RB in this class behind Trent Richardson, and hes slowley making that rise, just as Fletcher Cox and Whitney Mercilus also have all ready done, which were 2other prospects i thought would rise up and really love as prospects.. It kinda stinks, because the more these guys rise, the less chance for us to get em, but its cool to see em rise when u called it..lol* Tooting my own horn!!! Toot Toot!</P>


22days baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</P>

Martin was my fav out of the top guys I checked out I hope we get him. He seemed like the best package plus short and stout gives him a great center of balance and his break away speed was pretty impressive from what I saw as well.

Neverend
04-04-2012, 10:22 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html

Damn, Bunting has fleener as his 7th overall prospect. Could've sworn looking at this site a couple of weeks ago fleener was like 35th.

I seem to remember two years ago Bunting had aaron hernandez outrageously as a top 10 prospect on his big board when mostly everyone said he was too much of a tweener to be drafted high even though he was very popular with many draftniks.

slipknottin
04-04-2012, 10:27 PM
Bunting isnt a great evaluator, but I do value that he does his own film work and ranks guys based purely on what he sees, and disregards other views.

Redeyejedi
04-05-2012, 08:36 AM
Bunting isnt a great evaluator, but I do value that he does his own film work and ranks guys based purely on what he sees, and disregards other views.I have completely different views on a lot of players with him.
I dont know what he sees on Boby Massies tape to grade him so low. He is one of the most athletic Right Tackles Ive seen coming out.

I cant get a feel of what he is looking for really. Mayock for instance never saw an undersized player he didnt love. I cant find those quirks with him

He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.

He doesnt seem to put much emphasis on pass rushers and those are the guys that drive defenses.
His top pas rusher is Melvin Ingram who to me is a very flawed player. He is an OLB that cant get the edge. Watch Melvin Ingram tapes. All of his pressure comes as an inside pas rusher. A Scout measured his arms at his pro day at under 30". How are u going to beat LT's consistently in the NFL with 30" arms. Ingram could be a lethal Blitzer and their isnt a guard that could defend him in CFB but u are starting to get pretty specialized now. He has to go to a defense that can keep bodies off him to make plays. If u line him up with his hand down on a 4 man front and expect pressure your not going to get it.

Neverend
04-05-2012, 09:37 AM
Some evaluators could be biased

Maybe they grade higher for ceiling, some grade higher for floor. I remember him being one of the few analysts last year that felt herzlich could be a player in the nfl, graded him pretty high I remember

Mayock always prefers those physical, low center of gravity type-running backs that get yards after contact for years now over those one cut, home run guys

Its really all about preference. I agree about Brockers though. He's probably never going to be a great pass rusher in the NFL. He has a lot of upside because of his long arms and wingspan though, but I can't see how that translates him into being a premier pass rusher in the NFL. He isn't quick footed or explosive at all

nycsportzfan
04-05-2012, 10:42 PM
Heres Buntings 5prospects that the Giants could possibly target... Doug Martin heads the list, and Walt football mocked him to us in his latest mock as well.. Doug Martin would be a star for us... SIlatolu is a player i think would be a decent, albeit, a tad risky draft pick in RD 1..</P>


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Potential prospects available for the Giants at 32… (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Mock-Drafts-7332.html)</P>


RB Doug Martin: Boise State (5-9, 215) (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html&amp;position=rb)
Martin isn't a dynamic size/speed back, but there aren't many negatives to his game as a back. He plays fast, runs low, is natural through the line of scrimmage and has a skill set somewhat similar to former Alabama RB Mark Ingram last year. He might fall a bit because he doesn't run overly well, but he has the skill set to start in the league.</P>
<P class="co_image co_image_right inline_right">http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/Doug-Martin1.jpg<SPAN>ICON</SPAN>Martin would be a great fit in the Giants backfield.</P>


CB Janoris Jenkins: North Alabama (5-10, 182) (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html&amp;position=cb)
If he can put it all together off the field, he's got the ability to develop into a very good cover man in the NFL and despite his size he's going to be a really tough guy to separate from in just about any scheme he plays in.</P>


TE Coby Fleener: Stanford (6-6, 244) (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html&amp;position=TE)
An impressive pass catcher who can win both down the field and underneath vs. man coverage. Has the frame and flexibility to develop into a solid blocker as well and looks like a future starting caliber NFL TE.</P>


CB Stephon Gilmore: South Carolina (6-1, 193) (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html&amp;position=CB)
Is a "plus" sized corner with good quickness and fluidity. Needs to clean up his footwork in off/zone concepts, but has skill set to play near the line, check receivers and turn and run. Should be able to fight for a starting role during his rookie year in more of a zone scheme.</P>


OG Amini Silatolu: Midwestern State (6-3, 324) (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html&amp;position=OG)
He has some technique flaws that needs to be fixed and will need to kick inside at the next level. However, he's a wide-bodied athlete with a powerful/explosive frame, good foot quickness and can really pull from the backside. Might need some time, but is one of the top guards in the class with as much upside as any.</P>

nevada11
04-05-2012, 10:55 PM
He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.

What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

Look at this article:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/

He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upside

Neverend
04-05-2012, 11:16 PM
He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.

What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

Look at this article:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/

He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upside

Gonna have to agree with redeye. Arm length/Wingspan is highly overrated when it comes to pass rushing inside. Its more about quickness/burst off the ball as a pass rusher. Brockers is okay, but not great in these aspects. Its why I'm personally not overly high on chandler jones either

Brockers is a 1-technique in the NFL. A tremendous run defender with elite length/long arms and a power/bull rush type-rusher. If you're thinking hes going to be a great pass rusher in the NFL, you're going to be highly, highly disappointed in my view. He isn't even dominant as a bull rush/power pass rusher either, he gets stonewalled a lot