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Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 12:30 AM
He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.

What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

Look at this article:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/

He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upside
I dont know what him being long has to do with him being athletic. He isnt quick or explosive at all.He offers nothing as a pass rusher as he didnt play on passing downs. He hasnt been at that weight for long so maybe he could learn to carry it better but I dont think he will ever develop into a great pass rusher or gap shooter.He looks like a 2 gap player in the NFL.
An Athletic DT to me is Fletcher Cox. Great burst, length ,elite level quickness. He will be disruptive in the backfield hence more value to me

nevada11
04-06-2012, 12:39 AM
He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.

What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

Look at this article:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/

He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upsideIm talking about quickness. yeah he is long but he isnt quick. He offers nothing as a pass rusher. He is an elite run stopper but I dont think he will ever develop into a great pass rusher.

Nothing as a pass rusher??? He has 35 INCH ARMS. He is a beast rushing the passer just because of that. He is going to great at slapping away the arms of a tackle and dominating offensive lineman with his elite JPP BETTER wingspan. He is very quick with his long arms to slap away tackles trying to block him.

Neverend - arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer? have you seen FREAKING JASON PIERRE PAUL?! An all-pro DE?! Brockers has that same upside. I bet you all were calling JPP a bad pass rusher coming out huh?

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 12:43 AM
He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.

What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

Look at this article:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/

He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upsideIm talking about quickness. yeah he is long but he isnt quick. He offers nothing as a pass rusher. He is an elite run stopper but I dont think he will ever develop into a great pass rusher.

Nothing as a pass rusher??? He has 35 INCH ARMS. He is a beast rushing the passer just because of that. He is going to great at slapping away the arms of a tackle and dominating offensive lineman with his elite JPP BETTER wingspan. He is very quick with his long arms to slap away tackles trying to block him.

Neverend - arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer? have you seen FREAKING JASON PIERRE PAUL?! An all-pro DE?! Brockers has that same upside. I bet you all were calling JPP a bad pass rusher coming out huh?Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

Neverend
04-06-2012, 12:47 AM
C'mon nevada. Are you and giants420 cousins or something? Is reading comprehension really that difficult nowadays? I sware...

I never said arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer. I said its overrated INSIDE. A great 3-technique inside is one that is explosive and quick off the ball. Because of this, they are able to come into contact with G/C immediately or use their foot quickness by getting in between G/C, splitting them and consequently collapsing the pocket.

Brockers does none of that. You are somewhat right. Having his phenomenal wingspan helps rushing the passer. But only with a bull rush/power type moves. The best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL are the explosive/quick penetrating types. Not the bull rush types, sorry.

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 12:52 AM
Im not even saying Brockers isnt a good prospect, he is. I just think its crazy to rate a lineman that doesnt rush the passer at #5 overall on his board. He could develop into a massive NT though if he piles the weight on. Seems like a real good 2 gap guy.
Brockers is very athletic in certain ways but he isnt a pass rusher. I wouldnt even mind the Giants drafting him because he does have a skill set similar to Canty

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 12:54 AM
C'mon nevada. Are you and giants420 cousins or something? Is reading comprehension really that difficult nowadays? I sware...

I never said arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer. I said its overrated INSIDE. A great 3-technique inside is one that is explosive and quick off the ball. Because of this, they are able to come into contact with G/C immediately or use their foot quickness by getting in between G/C, splitting them and consequently collapsing the pocket.

Brockers does none of that. You are somewhat right. Having his phenomenal wingspan helps rushing the passer. But only with a bull rush/power type moves. The best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL are the explosive/quick penetrating types. Not the bull rush types, sorry.Fletcher Cox is a pass rushing 3 Tech gap shooter. he is what I classify as an athletic DT .

BlueSanta
04-06-2012, 02:40 AM
He seems to be really high on Brockers. I dont think his tape is all that impressive.His athleticism is overrated. Brockers does a great job at holding the point of attack , but #5 overall for an elite run stuffer that gets taken off the field on passing downs?
I do see the potential in Brockers and he hasnt had that weight on him for that long. He was a 250lb SOLB when he came to LSU. He isnt much of a threat on the QB.

What in the world redeye, brockers athleticism is overrated????? Everyone says he is a great athlete that has amazing upside

Look at this article:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/25/lsus-brockers-generates-buzz-at-combine-weigh-in/

He has amazing upside because his wingpsan is 83 7/8 inches. That is LONGER than JPP's wingspan which is 81 inches. He has 35 inch arms! He is the defensive tackle version of JPP and has upside just like JPP. He is a freak of nature and has huge upsideIm talking about quickness. yeah he is long but he isnt quick. He offers nothing as a pass rusher. He is an elite run stopper but I dont think he will ever develop into a great pass rusher.

Nothing as a pass rusher??? He has 35 INCH ARMS. He is a beast rushing the passer just because of that. He is going to great at slapping away the arms of a tackle and dominating offensive lineman with his elite JPP BETTER wingspan. He is very quick with his long arms to slap away tackles trying to block him.

Neverend - arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer? have you seen FREAKING JASON PIERRE PAUL?! An all-pro DE?! Brockers has that same upside. I bet you all were calling JPP a bad pass rusher coming out huh?

JPP has long arms, Brockers also has long arms. That is where the similarities between those 2 end.

Oh , I guess they both benched 19 reps at the combine too. Sorry, forgot that 1.

Brockers is not a passrusher, he is a space eater. He had 2 sacks last year. 1 was a qb draw that got stuffed, which counted as a 1 yard sack. However, he is a run stuffing monster.

nevada11
04-06-2012, 02:51 AM
Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt?

nevada11
04-06-2012, 02:51 AM
C'mon nevada. Are you and giants420 cousins or something? Is reading comprehension really that difficult nowadays? I sware...

I never said arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer. I said its overrated INSIDE. A great 3-technique inside is one that is explosive and quick off the ball. Because of this, they are able to come into contact with G/C immediately or use their foot quickness by getting in between G/C, splitting them and consequently collapsing the pocket.

Brockers does none of that. You are somewhat right. Having his phenomenal wingspan helps rushing the passer. But only with a bull rush/power type moves. The best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL are the explosive/quick penetrating types. Not the bull rush types, sorry.

I bet when JPP came out you probably said he will not be a great pass rusher in the NFL because he has no pass rush moves or something.. right??

Almost EVERYONE went crazy when JPP got drafted. Nobody liked the pick and it was because of negative things like saying he was boom or bust or overrated. Brockers has crazy upside just like JPP because they have the same skill set.

He can't collapse the pocket? Split a double team? He is RAW! He has only been playing defensive tackle for such a short time just like JPP only played organized football for such a short time. He will learn all the techniques there is to learn to excel. The sky is the limit for that kid! He can get so much better and he is already great against the run

nycsportzfan
04-06-2012, 07:19 AM
C'mon nevada. Are you and giants420 cousins or something? Is reading comprehension really that difficult nowadays? I sware... I never said arm length is overrated when trying to rush the passer. I said its overrated INSIDE. A great 3-technique inside is one that is explosive and quick off the ball. Because of this, they are able to come into contact with G/C immediately or use their foot quickness by getting in between G/C, splitting them and consequently collapsing the pocket. Brockers does none of that. You are somewhat right. Having his phenomenal wingspan helps rushing the passer. But only with a bull rush/power type moves. The best pass rushing defensive tackles in the NFL are the explosive/quick penetrating types. Not the bull rush types, sorry.Fletcher Cox is a pass rushing 3 Tech gap shooter. he is what I classify as an athletic DT . I agree with you totally.. And i also agree, that Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty, as far as skill set...

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 09:12 AM
Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt? For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high

nevada11
04-06-2012, 10:52 AM
Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt? For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high

Im comparing the upside. obviously they play different positions and have different responsibilities

jpp did not look good at usf. he was gettin blown out of holes against the run and kept falling down by losing his balance. he looked bad at college to and only showed flashes of greatness just like brockers. but he was RAW

Brockers is RAW with immense upside because of his size like JPP. Aint quick? He is raw! He can learn how to be aware and time off the snap better so he can be quicker and the first guy moving off the ball. He has only been playing football for so long. The scouting report on NFP says if he learns how to play lower off the ball he can be more explosive. He hasnt even played at his weight for very long!

That is why he has so much upside he is incredibly raw but can improve. JPP had 36 inch arms and an 81 inch wingspan and everyone loved his upside!! Same for Brockers!! They are just really raw and look bad in some areas in games but you must know the upside with them. I didnt say he IS jpp just the defensive tackle version of JPP

Raptor22
04-06-2012, 10:53 AM
Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt? For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high

My only caveat here is that Brockers is very young as well as raw... He's added so much mass in the last 2 years, I highly doubt he really has much of a feel for his body at all. Pass rushing demands a certain grace, agility, and flexibility, that I don't think he's had a chance to develop yet. He may never... but he might, just like JPP. Same with strength. So much of strength is in the mind-muscle connection and getting your body to do what you want, when you want. Young guys just don't have that.

Right now, all he has is his size. He is a BIG kid, so that's what he uses. But if he can put it all together, that is a scary dude.

Brockers probably SHOULD have stayed in college for another year, maybe 2.

nevada11
04-06-2012, 10:56 AM
Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt? For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high

My only caveat here is that Brockers is very young as well as raw... He's added so much mass in the last 2 years, I highly doubt he really has much of a feel for his body at all. Pass rushing demands a certain grace, agility, and flexibility, that I don't think he's had a chance to develop yet. He may never... but he might, just like JPP. Same with strength. So much of strength is in the mind-muscle connection and getting your body to do what you want, when you want. Young guys just don't have that.

Right now, all he has is his size. He is a BIG kid, so that's what he uses. But if he can put it all together, that is a scary dude.

Brockers probably SHOULD have stayed in college for another year, maybe 2.


Thank you! Its an adjustment playing at that weight. Can you imagine when this kid puts it all together with his JPP-like wingspan playing in the interior? He will be unblockable in the NFL

I really really think if JPP come out a lot of people in this thread would say his upside and athleticism was overrated. And you know what, a lot of people did! Not many knew JPP was going to be the slam dunk player he was now. A lot of people thought he was boom or bust

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 12:14 PM
Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt? For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high

My only caveat here is that Brockers is very young as well as raw... He's added so much mass in the last 2 years, I highly doubt he really has much of a feel for his body at all. Pass rushing demands a certain grace, agility, and flexibility, that I don't think he's had a chance to develop yet. He may never... but he might, just like JPP. Same with strength. So much of strength is in the mind-muscle connection and getting your body to do what you want, when you want. Young guys just don't have that.

Right now, all he has is his size. He is a BIG kid, so that's what he uses. But if he can put it all together, that is a scary dude.

Brockers probably SHOULD have stayed in college for another year, maybe 2.


Thank you! Its an adjustment playing at that weight. Can you imagine when this kid puts it all together with his JPP-like wingspan playing in the interior? He will be unblockable in the NFL

I really really think if JPP come out a lot of people in this thread would say his upside and athleticism was overrated. And you know what, a lot of people did! Not many knew JPP was going to be the slam dunk player he was now. A lot of people thought he was boom or bustFunny how u ignored my comment about him carrying the weight as I mentioned it already.

Even with the added weight as a contributing factor which it could be. The comparison to JPP makes zero sense.Brockers no matter what can never attain that quickness
Why dont U compare him to a guy that plays the same position.U want to tell me he could maybe develop into Richard Seymour I might buy it.

nevada11
04-06-2012, 12:19 PM
Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt? For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high

My only caveat here is that Brockers is very young as well as raw... He's added so much mass in the last 2 years, I highly doubt he really has much of a feel for his body at all. Pass rushing demands a certain grace, agility, and flexibility, that I don't think he's had a chance to develop yet. He may never... but he might, just like JPP. Same with strength. So much of strength is in the mind-muscle connection and getting your body to do what you want, when you want. Young guys just don't have that.

Right now, all he has is his size. He is a BIG kid, so that's what he uses. But if he can put it all together, that is a scary dude.

Brockers probably SHOULD have stayed in college for another year, maybe 2.


Thank you! Its an adjustment playing at that weight. Can you imagine when this kid puts it all together with his JPP-like wingspan playing in the interior? He will be unblockable in the NFL

I really really think if JPP come out a lot of people in this thread would say his upside and athleticism was overrated. And you know what, a lot of people did! Not many knew JPP was going to be the slam dunk player he was now. A lot of people thought he was boom or bustFunny how u ignored my comment about him carrying the weight as I mentioned it already.

Even with the added weight as a contributing factor which it could be. The comparison to JPP makes zero sense.Brockers no matter what can never attain that quickness
Why dont U compare him to a guy that plays the same position.U want to tell me he could maybe develop into Richard Seymour I might buy it.

They are very similar players coming out. Both have bad stuff in games. Both were considered overrated coming out and disliked by many. Both have elite wingspan and loads of upside.

He can "never attain that quickness". Redeye this one is harsh even for you. He is RAW. He can learn how to be quick off the snap with more experience! As he grows into his body and play lower he can become quick and explosive. In no time he should develop his technique coming off the ball on time and timing the snap count consistently

He is the defensive version of JPP. He will become a beast

U are totally wrong here

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 12:31 PM
Have U watched tape at all. Brockers is not explosive. He wasnt on the field on passing downs. What does that tell u

JPP has nothing to do with this at all. He isnt close to the same player as Brockers.

its so easy to say that now because you have watched JPP pan out in the NFL. A lot of people thought jpp was gonna bust and was overrated too

Coming out of college JPP was praised for his upside! Why? The very one reason is because he had a verrrry rare wingspan and length. 81 inch wingspan and 36 inch arms! He was seen as an athletic freak coming out and had so much upside

Brockers has an even LONGER wingspan at 83 inches and 35 inch arms. He has amazing upside and is going to be great at rushing the passer in the nfl. He is very raw just like JPP coming out too. JPP showed flashes of greatness and so did Brockers. If JPP had so much upside coming out but Brockers doesnt? For the life of me I cant figure out why you are comparing a 310 pound DT to a 270 pound DE as a valid comparison.
Have u seen Brockers play? In no shape way or form does he remind me of JPP. Its not because of how raw he is either. He just isnt the same kind of player .the only thing that they both have his length.Brockers reminds me of Chris Canty and in fact Id say Canty was quicker then Brockers at Virginia.

Im not even saying I dislike Brockers as a prospect just wouldnt rate a non pass rushing DT that high

My only caveat here is that Brockers is very young as well as raw... He's added so much mass in the last 2 years, I highly doubt he really has much of a feel for his body at all. Pass rushing demands a certain grace, agility, and flexibility, that I don't think he's had a chance to develop yet. He may never... but he might, just like JPP. Same with strength. So much of strength is in the mind-muscle connection and getting your body to do what you want, when you want. Young guys just don't have that.

Right now, all he has is his size. He is a BIG kid, so that's what he uses. But if he can put it all together, that is a scary dude.

Brockers probably SHOULD have stayed in college for another year, maybe 2.


Thank you! Its an adjustment playing at that weight. Can you imagine when this kid puts it all together with his JPP-like wingspan playing in the interior? He will be unblockable in the NFL

I really really think if JPP come out a lot of people in this thread would say his upside and athleticism was overrated. And you know what, a lot of people did! Not many knew JPP was going to be the slam dunk player he was now. A lot of people thought he was boom or bustFunny how u ignored my comment about him carrying the weight as I mentioned it already.

Even with the added weight as a contributing factor which it could be. The comparison to JPP makes zero sense.Brockers no matter what can never attain that quickness
Why dont U compare him to a guy that plays the same position.U want to tell me he could maybe develop into Richard Seymour I might buy it.

They are very similar players coming out. Both have bad stuff in games. Both were considered overrated coming out and disliked by many. Both have elite wingspan and loads of upside.

He can "never attain that quickness". Redeye this one is harsh even for you. He is RAW. He can learn how to be quick off the snap with more experience! As he grows into his body and play lower he can become quick and explosive. In no time he should develop his technique coming off the ball on time and timing the snap count consistently

He is the defensive version of JPP. He will become a beast

U are totally wrong here I meant he will never match JPP's quickness because he is a 310lb DT. My issue is with your comparison it makes no sense. Just because a player is long doesnt mean he is like JPP. I dont see Brockers doing Back flips. So every player that has length is JPP. George Illoka has long arms is he JPP. I wonder if u have actually watched Brockers play because his game in no shape way or form resembles JPP's. Right Now he looks like Chris Canty . Could he develop into Seymour and be a 6-7 sack guy maybe ,but he isnt going to have 16 sacks coming off the edge.

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 12:53 PM
I like how its turned into now that I dont like Brockers.
I think Brockers has tremendous potential. He is an elite level run defender but as a pass rusher on tape there isnt much there. Again LSU pulled him off the field for other DT's on passing downs. Now again this is LSU and they have more depth then most programs. If Brockers was at say Penn State he may be rushing the passer on 3rd down. The things that stick out though. Elite level pass rushers from the DT spot have been 1 gap shooters and he isnt that kind of player. Brockers could develop into a dominate physical presence inside. I feel he could even develop into a great 2 gap player maybe even bulk him up into a Nose Tackle

Neverend
04-06-2012, 01:11 PM
Nevada, you make some really good solid points. But I just don't see the pass rush potential. "Long arms = great pass rush ability"? That's a ridiculous logic to follow... for an interior DT that is

It's more like explosiveness and quickness = great pass rush ability. If the player has great length. Fine, thats a great bonus but that doesn't mean you can just base someone's ability as a pass rusher on that alone.

Long arms in pass rush help immensely when keeping your blockers body off of you. That's more helpful on the edge as I was trying to explain to another guy on these boards. But when you're pass rushing inside, you're not trying to keep blockers "off of you" because they're moving backwards. You have to BEAT them with quickness and explosiveness which Brockers lacks. Then once you gain a step you can slap away their arms and such but since you're in a phone booth/short area arm length is a pretty irrelevant factor in such circumstances. Why? Its rather how sudden/quick/violent you are with your arms/hands when you're trying to rip/swat... not whether ur arms are 33 or 35 inches

You're the one who is wrong here. Just because Brockers has 35 inch arms does not make him JPP or a great pass rusher in general. Canty is an excellent comparison. A guy who is an excellent run stuffer and can win with power but doesn't get much pressure overall

Neverend
04-06-2012, 01:11 PM
Nevada, you make some really good solid points. But I just don't see the pass rush potential. "Long arms = great pass rush ability"? That's a ridiculous logic to follow... for an interior DT that is

It's more like explosiveness and quickness = great pass rush ability. If the player has great length. Fine, thats a great bonus but that doesn't mean you can just base someone's ability as a pass rusher on that alone.

Long arms in pass rush help immensely when keeping your blockers body off of you. That's more helpful on the edge as I was trying to explain to another guy on these boards. But when you're pass rushing inside, you're not trying to keep blockers "off of you" because they're moving backwards. You have to BEAT them with quickness and explosiveness which Brockers lacks. Then once you gain a step you can slap away their arms and such but since you're in a phone booth/short area arm length is a pretty irrelevant factor in such circumstances. Why? Its rather how sudden/quick/violent you are with your arms/hands when you're trying to rip/swat... not whether ur arms are 33 or 35 inches

You're the one who is wrong here. Just because Brockers has 35 inch arms does not make him JPP or a great pass rusher in general. Canty is an excellent comparison. A guy who is an excellent run stuffer and can win with power but doesn't get much pressure overall

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 02:30 PM
Sportzfan Ive seen some mocks putting Mcclenin in the First Round. On Football Futures when I talked about him in the beginning of the CFB season everyone I showed the game to said he was a late rounder. Same guys are praising him now. I dont think Shea is a First rounder but he is better then he was getting credit for during the season. I see a lot of comparisons to Brooks Reed

nycsportzfan
04-06-2012, 03:16 PM
Sportzfan Ive seen some mocks putting Mcclenin in the First Round. On Football Futures when I talked about him in the beginning of the CFB season everyone I showed the game to said he was a late rounder. Same guys are praising him now. I dont think Shea is a First rounder but he is better then he was getting credit for during the season. I see a lot of comparisons to Brooks Reed ya, i remember us talking about him before the first game of the season.. I'd be surprised if he goes RD 1, but it woulden't be a surprise if he goes RD 2, at any point in the rd... Brooks Reed is a great comparison..

nevada11
04-06-2012, 09:50 PM
Good job redeye of slowly backing away from your initial comments. YOU are the one who said brockers offers nothing as a pass rusher and now you are saying he could be semour. Love it

For the fact that brockers supposedly offers nothing as a pass rusher, is limited only to a NT, has no quickness, or has no burst:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664406

for the lazy ones.. ill quote it:


Only registered two sacks in 2011 but appears to have blossoming natural pass rush skills. Good initial quickness off the snap and flashes an explosive burst to split gaps.

LMAO. Tell me again he offers "nothing as a pass rusher" redeye. Tell me again neverend he has no quickness and can't split gaps?!

It gets better


Flashes enough quickness off the snap to threaten gaps at three-technique, especially when slanting.

Yeah! He's only a 1-technique fellas! No quickness to get pressure!

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=41015


Showcases a good get off burst and when he keeps his pad level down has the ability to gain leverage, extend his arms and use his long arms to shed

He shows a BURST when he plays with a good pad level. He is RAW so he doesnt know how to do it consistently yet. Neither did JPP coming out! He showed flashes of greatness when he played with the right technique but rarely did at USF! And Brockers is still getting used to his body! Key word: DEVELOP not "overrated"

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/01/michael-brockers-scouting-report.html

That scouting report says his issues as a pass rusher is because he lacks moves and plays too high! And I already talked about how he needs to learn how to come off the snap better so he can become more quick.

So I'm supposed to take the word of scouting evaluators or people who judge brockers based off of 1 or 2 games on youtube? I didn't say he IS jpp I said the situation coming out of the draft is comparable. They both are freaks, both have wingspans, both looked bad and inconsistent in games, both are raw, and both have incredible upside.

I am through with this. I am looking forward to Michael Brockers proving everyone here very wrong. Once he learns to play consistently low and time the snap better his lack of "quickness and burst" and "offers nothing as a pass rusher" will be a thing of the past.

Neverend
04-06-2012, 10:06 PM
Good job of supporting your argument here. I still think you're taking the wrong stance on this one

You're basing your opinion purely on those scouting reports -- not what you see in games. Now, I'm nowhere near as qualified as those scouts but I don't think it takes a scout to see that Brocker isn't a great pass rusher

Note the key term in those scouting reports "flashes". Canty at times flashes penetration in the backfield, but does he do it a consistent basis like Robbins did? No, just maybe once every 3 or 4 games

The lower you are into your stance, the better burst you get. The same facts apply to the CB position.. the lower your backpeddal is the more burst you have out of the break. This same argument of "getting low = better burst" applies to EVERY single player at every single position. Low man wins all the time. He also uses the adjective "good" get off burst, not "great", which is what the top interior pass rushers possess in this draft, putting their inconsistencies aside

Point blank, you can try and try to make as many excuses for Brockers as you want but he likely will not be a dynamic pass rusher in the NFL. He "could" be but based on players who came into the draft with his skill set, they rarely ever do materialize into great 3-techniques. Sorry.

Redeyejedi
04-06-2012, 11:38 PM
Good job redeye of slowly backing away from your initial comments. YOU are the one who said brockers offers nothing as a pass rusher and now you are saying he could be semour. Love it

For the fact that brockers supposedly offers nothing as a pass rusher, is limited only to a NT, has no quickness, or has no burst:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664406

for the lazy ones.. ill quote it:


Only registered two sacks in 2011 but appears to have blossoming natural pass rush skills. Good initial quickness off the snap and flashes an explosive burst to split gaps.

LMAO. Tell me again he offers "nothing as a pass rusher" redeye. Tell me again neverend he has no quickness and can't split gaps?!

It gets better


Flashes enough quickness off the snap to threaten gaps at three-technique, especially when slanting.

Yeah! He's only a 1-technique fellas! No quickness to get pressure!

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=41015


Showcases a good get off burst and when he keeps his pad level down has the ability to gain leverage, extend his arms and use his long arms to shed

He shows a BURST when he plays with a good pad level. He is RAW so he doesnt know how to do it consistently yet. Neither did JPP coming out! He showed flashes of greatness when he played with the right technique but rarely did at USF! And Brockers is still getting used to his body! Key word: DEVELOP not "overrated"

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2012/01/michael-brockers-scouting-report.html

That scouting report says his issues as a pass rusher is because he lacks moves and plays too high! And I already talked about how he needs to learn how to come off the snap better so he can become more quick.

So I'm supposed to take the word of scouting evaluators or people who judge brockers based off of 1 or 2 games on youtube? I didn't say he IS jpp I said the situation coming out of the draft is comparable. They both are freaks, both have wingspans, both looked bad and inconsistent in games, both are raw, and both have incredible upside.

I am through with this. I am looking forward to Michael Brockers proving everyone here very wrong. Once he learns to play consistently low and time the snap better his lack of "quickness and burst" and "offers nothing as a pass rusher" will be a thing of the past.Flashes, Shows , Develops Buzz words for I see it twice a game. There opinion is he will develop into a pass rusher. FACT he hasnt shown it yet.I think he be a little better then Canty as a pass rusher and an elite level run defender
My Youtube tapes are actually good resources u should watch them. I show almost every snap. These draft sites your quoting ,1 of them I know for a fact watches my vids. I will take peoples opinion that watch those over the people that just copy and paste another persons scouting report

Redeyejedi
04-07-2012, 12:21 PM
Good job of supporting your argument here. I still think you're taking the wrong stance on this one

You're basing your opinion purely on those scouting reports -- not what you see in games. Now, I'm nowhere near as qualified as those scouts but I don't think it takes a scout to see that Brocker isn't a great pass rusher

Note the key term in those scouting reports "flashes". Canty at times flashes penetration in the backfield, but does he do it a consistent basis like Robbins did? No, just maybe once every 3 or 4 games

The lower you are into your stance, the better burst you get. The same facts apply to the CB position.. the lower your backpeddal is the more burst you have out of the break. This same argument of "getting low = better burst" applies to EVERY single player at every single position. Low man wins all the time. He also uses the adjective "good" get off burst, not "great", which is what the top interior pass rushers possess in this draft, putting their inconsistencies aside

Point blank, you can try and try to make as many excuses for Brockers as you want but he likely will not be a dynamic pass rusher in the NFL. He "could" be but based on players who came into the draft with his skill set, they rarely ever do materialize into great 3-techniques. Sorry.I know he has never seen him play. No one that has would ever mistake Michael Brockers as having JPP pass rushing skill. It has nothing to do with technique or being raw either.If he had said Seymour I probably wouldnt of responded. I wouldnt of agreed but would of accepted the comparison.At least Seymour had a similar type of College career. I like Brockers think he is a great run defender but I dont believe he will be ever be a gap shooting DT causing backfield pressure like Suh,Cullen Jenkins or Geno Atkins. The funny thing is Brockers didnt even play on passing downs.If he was looked at as some monster pass rusher like he describes clearly he would be on the field in those situations.

tonyt830
04-07-2012, 02:18 PM
Just my 2 cents, but the JPP/Brockers comparison was not the best.


2 different positions---1 is a DE and the other a DT.

nycsportzfan
04-07-2012, 05:59 PM
Tollefon signed with the Raiders, which in my opinion, opens the door a bit more into possible DE or at least D-Line for RD 1... Osi's contract is up after this season, and Tucks been getting dinged up more and more as the yrs go by, and then we got only JPP.. We could possibly go for our future bookend to pair with JPP.. I think Andre Branch comes into the picture alittle more, and if for some reason were to trade outta RD 1, i could see Vinny Curry as a possilbity in RD 2.. I think theres zero chance Whitney Mercilus will be on the board, or i'd have him as a shoe in to get picked by giants...</P>


At worst, i think we grab a DE in one of the first few to 4rds... Tyron Crawford comes to mind, as does Cam Johnson and Chandler Jones..... Heres my latest mock, with Tollefson offically being gone..</P>


</P>


1. Andre Branch DE Clemson- Branch and JPP would make one heck of a pass rush duo going forward , and i think it'll be to much for Reese to pass up on, when he thinks of a Duo of JPP and Branch on 3rd and 7-12yrds... </P>


2. Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St- Could be gone, but if hes on the board, i hope we grab em, as hes got a complete package, which includes a nasty demeanor on the field..</P>


3. Robert Turbin RB Utah St- Seems like a perfect fit for our team, and on top of solid measurables, showed off some good speed at teh combine, and can catch the football..</P>


4. Jerry Franklin LB Arkansas- Could be future ILB or possibly play outside.. I think hes gonna bring that kinda versatility, and the guy is a complete LB, who also does well in coverege... I like Franklin alot..</P>


4. Greg Childs WR Arkansas- Double dipping from Ark, as we grab the big bodied Childs, who would be a solid additon to our team.. Hes a solid route runner with long arms, and i feel Eli and Childs would form great chemistry..</P>


5. David Paulson TE Oregon- We all know he is a fine reciever, and redzone threat, but i think his blocking is a bit underrated and he could develop that part of his game a bit more with our coaching staff..</P>


6. Winston Guy SS Kentucky- Good depth pick here, with possiblity to be more if given shot.. </P>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arizona St- more help for the interior of the oline.. Gerhart is the most underrated C in this class, and i think is right there with David Molk, talent wise..</P>

Neverend
04-07-2012, 06:07 PM
sportzfan whats your opinion on nick perry as a DE for the giants? i know you like mercilus but as far as 10-yard split goes i think read somewhere nick perry was equal with branch and mercilus (around 1.56 range which is ridiculous for all 3 of them) and he gained some muscle to play at the line

nevada11
04-07-2012, 07:52 PM
I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years

slipknottin
04-07-2012, 08:02 PM
I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years

And you have seen scouts compare Brockers to JPP as a pass rusher? Or that brockers is a raw athlete with upside like JPP?

Neverend
04-07-2012, 08:37 PM
I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years

Ugh.

i AM taking the words of those scouts. When rob rang says "flashes just enough quickness" its kind of a polite way of saying he isnt really quick at all. What he means by flashes, is that Brockers shows quickness "sometimes" and consequently on the rare occassions he does actually show it -- Rang also states it's just "enough"

In other words, he isn't really quick at all.

I was just using your own supportive example against you. You're losing this argument, man. Now if you'd tell me a game where Brockers showed significant pressure on the passer where he was able to push the pocket immediately and split the G/C to collapse the pocket, you'd have a point. Thing is though, Brockers like redeye said was subbed out on passing downs quite a lot.

What those scouting reports DO however suggest, is that he's an excellent run stuffer with great diagnosis skills and can put power moves on o-lineman with his length. That's it honestly dude

nevada11
04-07-2012, 08:44 PM
I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years

Ugh.

i AM taking the words of those scouts. When rob rang says "flashes just enough quickness" its kind of a polite way of saying he isnt really quick at all. What he means by flashes, is that Brockers shows quickness "sometimes" and consequently on the rare occassions he does actually show it -- Rang also states it's just "enough"

In other words, he isn't really quick at all.

I was just using your own supportive example against you. You're losing this argument, man. Now if you'd tell me a game where Brockers showed significant pressure on the passer where he was able to push the pocket immediately and split the G/C to collapse the pocket, you'd have a point. Thing is though, Brockers like redeye said was subbed out on passing downs quite a lot.

What those scouting reports DO however suggest, is that he's an excellent run stuffer with great diagnosis skills and can put power moves on o-lineman with his length. That's it honestly dude

OMG!!

Exactly. FLASH. He flashes great pressure! He is just inconsistent and raw. That's why he said FLASH. If he wasn't quick and a blossoming pass rusher and supposedly "lied" then why the hell would Rob rang say it in the first place?

You can interpret those words your way.. ill interpret it my way. u kno what my way is??? He has great upside

tell me all you want redeye about me never watching brockers. just because you make videos does not mean you are more qualified than scouts like ROB RANG who says brockers is a blossoming pass rusher who flashes greatness but is raw with so much upside

nevada11
04-07-2012, 08:47 PM
Brockers is a raw athlete with upside like JPP because he is inconsistent on film but shows flashes of greatness and potential and has rare wingspan and long arms?

Fix'd for ya

slipknottin
04-07-2012, 09:03 PM
Well JPP and Brockers are completely different types of athletes too.

Brockers probably is ideal as a 5t, length/size wise hes similar to a richard seymour.

While JPP is closer to an ideal 4-3 DE size.

So when they are saying blossoming pass rusher for Brockers, they mean he has the potential to be like a 6 sack a season guy. Which is really good for a 5t.

Redeyejedi
04-07-2012, 09:05 PM
I'm making excuses and never watched brockers play lmfao

again i look foward to brockers proving everyone wrong. i am not going to even bother trying to take your words instead of the words of scouts that have been doing these things for years

Ugh.

i AM taking the words of those scouts. When rob rang says "flashes just enough quickness" its kind of a polite way of saying he isnt really quick at all. What he means by flashes, is that Brockers shows quickness "sometimes" and consequently on the rare occassions he does actually show it -- Rang also states it's just "enough"

In other words, he isn't really quick at all.

I was just using your own supportive example against you. You're losing this argument, man. Now if you'd tell me a game where Brockers showed significant pressure on the passer where he was able to push the pocket immediately and split the G/C to collapse the pocket, you'd have a point. Thing is though, Brockers like redeye said was subbed out on passing downs quite a lot.

What those scouting reports DO however suggest, is that he's an excellent run stuffer with great diagnosis skills and can put power moves on o-lineman with his length. That's it honestly dude

OMG!!

Exactly. FLASH. He flashes great pressure! He is just inconsistent and raw. That's why he said FLASH. If he wasn't quick and a blossoming pass rusher and supposedly "lied" then why the hell would Rob rang say it in the first place?

You can interpret those words your way.. ill interpret it my way. u kno what my way is??? He has great upside

tell me all you want redeye about me never watching brockers. just because you make videos does not mean you are more qualified than scouts like ROB RANG who says brockers is a blossoming pass rusher who flashes greatness but is raw with so much upsideNever argued he wasnt raw or didnt have upside. I just dont think he is or will be an elite inside pass rusher. I know for a fact he will never rush the QB like JPP

Redeyejedi
04-07-2012, 09:19 PM
Well JPP and Brockers are completely different types of athletes too.

Brockers probably is ideal as a 5t, length/size wise hes similar to a richard seymour.

While JPP is closer to an ideal 4-3 DE size.

So when they are saying blossoming pass rusher for Brockers, they mean he has the potential to be like a 6 sack a season guy. Which is really good for a 5t. I gave him the name Seymour who averages 5 sacks a season and a far cry from JPP as a pass rusher. The thing is Seymour was so much quicker off the snap then him coming out.The Combine numbers not even close.

Neverend
04-07-2012, 09:29 PM
You can interpret those words your way.. ill interpret it my way. u kno what my way is??? He has great upside

Okay, I get it. You interpret his upside as being the next JPP who is going to have 16 sacks. As unrealistic as that is

slipknottin
04-07-2012, 09:32 PM
I gave him the name Seymour. The thing is Seymour was so much quicker off the snap then him coming out.The Combine numbers not even close.

Yea, Brockers athleticism really didnt show up in the combine numbers really.

Though JPPs didnt either to be honest.

Redeyejedi
04-07-2012, 09:37 PM
I gave him the name Seymour. The thing is Seymour was so much quicker off the snap then him coming out.The Combine numbers not even close.

Yea, Brockers athleticism really didnt show up in the combine numbers really.

Though JPPs didnt either to be honest.JPP's did show up on tape and in other ways like doing Back flips. Brockers doesnt show anything like that

slipknottin
04-07-2012, 09:48 PM
JPP's did show up on tape and in other ways like doing Back flips. Brockers doesnt show anything like that

Yea two issues I have with the brockers and JPP comparison.

1. JPP has a phenomenal motor. He goes 100% every play without a doubt. Brockers absolutely does not.

2. JPP was dominant on college tape. Not consistent, but he was absolutely a force every game. Brockers rarely does much of anything.

Brockers college stats are what, 2 sacks and 9 tackles for a loss?

While JPP 17 tackles for a loss and 7 sacks...

Not really comparable from a production standpoint

nevada11
04-07-2012, 10:50 PM
Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out

im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..

slipknottin
04-07-2012, 10:56 PM
Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out

I can see that comparison.


im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..

I honestly dont see him ever becoming a "great" pass rusher. Perhaps a good one. I think his upside is somewhere around 7 sacks a year. But more likely hes a 3-5 sack a year guy. And he has a long long road to go before he is even close to being a 3-5 sack a year guy

Redeyejedi
04-08-2012, 06:01 AM
Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out

I can see that comparison.


im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..

I honestly dont see him ever becoming a "great" pass rusher. Perhaps a good one. I think his upside is somewhere around 7 sacks a year. But more likely hes a 3-5 sack a year guy. And he has a long long road to go before he is even close to being a 3-5 sack a year guy He can be a dominate 2 gap defender that will open up sacks for other players.To me he hasnt shown the quickness to be a great pass rusher. I think he will be like Canty at getting to the QB.So unless he improves his quickness at a level ive never seen before he wont offer anything more then that type of production. Run Defending though he is very,very good

tonyt830
04-08-2012, 03:21 PM
I was looking at an article, I believe on NFL.com as well as nfldraftscout.com

An interesting CB sleeper prospect that caught my attention is Chris Greenwood out of Division III Albion. Maybe he is worth a look in the 6th rd? His numbers at his proday workouts looked great---good 40 time, great explosion with good numbers with his vertical and broad jump. He also has good size and long arms.




redeye, nyc, slip, bluesanta---any info/input on this guy?





http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d82822ed8/article/draft-sleepers-noncombine-invitees-on-the-rise?module=HP11_content_stream

Redeyejedi
04-09-2012, 09:33 AM
JPP's did show up on tape and in other ways like doing Back flips. Brockers doesnt show anything like that

Yea two issues I have with the brockers and JPP comparison.

1. JPP has a phenomenal motor. He goes 100% every play without a doubt. Brockers absolutely does not.

2. JPP was dominant on college tape. Not consistent, but he was absolutely a force every game. Brockers rarely does much of anything.

Brockers college stats are what, 2 sacks and 9 tackles for a loss?

While JPP 17 tackles for a loss and 7 sacks...

Not really comparable from a production standpointIts more to do with the Quickness needed to be an elite inside pass rusher. Arm length isnt a factor. The best inside pass rusher in the draft is Melvin Ingram and has 30" arms. He has a lot of trouble with tackles because he doesnt have length but inside not much of a factor.Now if your talking every down 3 Tech's Fletcher Cox has the most pass rushing upside. Cox has a solid motor, Has Length, and Quickness. U give Fletcher Cox the right coaching he can be very disruptive. I think Brockers will be a guy that gets sacks more on the QB holding the ball to long, a missed assignment,Pressure from the edge that forces the QB to step up. With his length he could get a hand on a guy a pull him down. I think he will get clean up sacks. I just dont dont see him blowing through the A Gap on a consistent basis. Look at his tape and then his explosion numbers. Vert,10 yard dash very poor. I think his numbers reflect whats on tape though. If he had Fletcher Cox's 1.63 10 yard dash with this tape I might be more skeptical. Was it scheme or some other reason for explosion not showing up. The Numbers match the tape from where im standing

Redeyejedi
04-09-2012, 10:41 AM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes.
Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive.

TuckYou
04-09-2012, 11:20 AM
Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out I can see that comparison.
im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this.. I honestly dont see him ever becoming a "great" pass rusher. Perhaps a good one. I think his upside is somewhere around 7 sacks a year. But more likely hes a 3-5 sack a year guy. And he has a long long road to go before he is even close to being a 3-5 sack a year guy</P>


I'm going to stick my nose in here for a minute to add my 2 cents.</P>


IMO, the difference between him being "good" and "great" is his team. If he goes to lets say, the Giants who have JPP, Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Joseph, Canty, then he could be a GREAT DT. If he goes to a team like the Jags or Bengals or Chiefs, he will probably just be good. </P>


I think he has big potential, actually, more then Poe. I think Poe is one of those late risers that shoot up the draft board because big man can run in underwear. They say he is top 10, yet I have failed to see much college film on him to make me believe that he is 1st round material. </P>


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critters
04-10-2012, 05:36 PM
Never said he was JPP. I said the rawness, inconsistency, and upside is similar to JPP coming out

I can see that comparison.


im tired of this. when brockers becomes an elite defensive tackle in the nfl and a great pass rusher ill rememember this..

I honestly dont see him ever becoming a "great" pass rusher. Perhaps a good one. I think his upside is somewhere around 7 sacks a year. But more likely hes a 3-5 sack a year guy. And he has a long long road to go before he is even close to being a 3-5 sack a year guy He can be a dominate 2 gap defender that will open up sacks for other players.To me he hasnt shown the quickness to be a great pass rusher. I think he will be like Canty at getting to the QB.So unless he improves his quickness at a level ive never seen before he wont offer anything more then that type of production. Run Defending though he is very,very good

You beat me to it. EXACTLY what I was going to say about Brockers.

Redeyejedi
04-10-2012, 05:50 PM
Just added all my prospect videos together. I have 55 Hours worth of Draft Videos online. How insane is that

Redeyejedi
04-10-2012, 06:00 PM
A lot of people seem to like Billy WInn. He has been productive over his career. Every game Ive seen ive never come away impressed. Maybe im watching the wrong games but I dont see the love for him

Kase-1
04-10-2012, 07:01 PM
A lot of people seem to like Billy WInn. He has been productive over his career. Every game Ive seen ive never come away impressed. Maybe im watching the wrong games but I dont see the love for himMaybe its the draft class and we're spoiled with all of the good DL prospects, because I feel the same way. He's good but he doesnt wow me

nycsportzfan
04-11-2012, 09:27 AM
A lot of people seem to like Billy WInn. He has been productive over his career. Every game Ive seen ive never come away impressed. Maybe im watching the wrong games but I dont see the love for him Who likes him? Hes a bum! Most sites i see, have him going mid to late 3rd which is way further down then it used to be, when he was perdicted to be a 2nd rder almost everywhere u look.. I thought people were finally catching on, just like they finally seemed to do with Brandon Thompson, whos the original invisible man..lol Thompson and Winn have both fallen down mocks over time, since being basically consenus 1st/early 2nd at worst(thompson), to late 1st/early mid 2nd(for winn)...

nycsportzfan
04-11-2012, 09:39 AM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive. I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season.. </P>


I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin? I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan Sept 1st contest!!!!!!! </P>


</P>

Raptor22
04-11-2012, 11:01 AM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive. I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season.. </p>


I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin? I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan Sept 1st contest!!!!!!! </p>


</p>

If Lattimore doesn't get run into the ground (BIG if), he's my early pick for the Heisman. If Ball can have a repeat performance, he'll be right there too. Barkley as well, but Lattimore is just a monster.

nycsportzfan
04-11-2012, 07:13 PM
Giants have signed Sean Locklear and traded for Keith Rivers today.. Heres my updated mock, with those moves in mind...</P>


1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- I think RB is as big a need as any on this team, and the one positon where no one was added this offseason, and with bradshaws injury history, a bowling ball type back, who is a all around durable player would be a welcomed additon..</P>


2. Vinny Curry DE Marshall- Don't know if he'll be on the board at this point, but if he is, i would not mind picking him.. Curry has big upside, and with loss of Tollefson and Tuck getting up there and OSI in last yr of contract, we could use another end..</P>


3. Ladarious Green TE La Lafeyette- Great pass catcher, who lacks some in the blocking game, but could get better in that area, and he offers as much upside as any TE in this class, from a pass catching standpoint.. </P>


4. Jaye Howard DT Florida- I really like this penetrating DT.. He'd fit great into a rotation, especially on passing down, as a player who can get to the QB...</P>


4. Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- Very underrated safety who has a all around game, and makes plays...</P>


5. Traded for KEITH RIVERS</P>


6. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- A huge sleeper of mine.. This kid can go over the middle, and has enough speed to get deep as well.. Has a nice thick frame, and great intangables...</P>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arizona St- Most underrated C in class.. </P>

nevada11
04-11-2012, 09:09 PM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever

i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE

Redeyejedi
04-11-2012, 10:02 PM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive. I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season..* </p>


I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if* Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin?** I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan* Sept 1st contest!!!!!!!* </p>


*</p>

If Lattimore doesn't get run into the ground (BIG if), he's my early pick for the Heisman. If Ball can have a repeat performance, he'll be right there too. Barkley as well, but Lattimore is just a monster.
Spurrier will give him 40 carries a game if he can. I hope Spurrier doesnt ruin that kid. I wonder with a new Arkansas coach if Knile Davis will come out in the Supplemental draft

tonyt830
04-11-2012, 10:43 PM
Giants have signed Sean Locklear and traded for Keith Rivers today.. Heres my updated mock, with those moves in mind...</P>


1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- I think RB is as big a need as any on this team, and the one positon where no one was added this offseason, and with bradshaws injury history, a bowling ball type back, who is a all around durable player would be a welcomed additon..</P>


2. Vinny Curry DE Marshall- Don't know if he'll be on the board at this point, but if he is, i would not mind picking him.. Curry has big upside, and with loss of Tollefson and Tuck getting up there and OSI in last yr of contract, we could use another end..</P>


3. Ladarious Green TE La Lafeyette- Great pass catcher, who lacks some in the blocking game, but could get better in that area, and he offers as much upside as any TE in this class, from a pass catching standpoint.. </P>


4. Jaye Howard DT Florida- I really like this penetrating DT.. He'd fit great into a rotation, especially on passing down, as a player who can get to the QB...</P>


4. Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- Very underrated safety who has a all around game, and makes plays...</P>


5. Traded for KEITH RIVERS</P>


6. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- A huge sleeper of mine.. This kid can go over the middle, and has enough speed to get deep as well.. Has a nice thick frame, and great intangables...</P>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arizona St- Most underrated C in class.. </P>


Pretty nice mock there nyc. That mock would be ok with me. I wouldn't mind Egnew in the 4th or possibly Hannah from Oklahoma in the 6th? I like both WRs from Va Tech--Coale and Boykin. I know you took a safety in Henry, but I would not mind another CB, should they be the BPA on Reese's board in a particular rd.</P>


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I like Curry in the 2nd, but also like Chandler Jones or maybe Branch. </P>

nycsportzfan
04-12-2012, 03:59 AM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE Egnew sucks.. He has no upside at all, and Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy... Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and 6recept 64yrd against LSU.. </P>


Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath.. Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..</P>

nycsportzfan
04-12-2012, 04:04 AM
Giants have signed Sean Locklear and traded for Keith Rivers today.. Heres my updated mock, with those moves in mind...</P>


1. Doug Martin RB Boise St- I think RB is as big a need as any on this team, and the one positon where no one was added this offseason, and with bradshaws injury history, a bowling ball type back, who is a all around durable player would be a welcomed additon..</P>


2. Vinny Curry DE Marshall- Don't know if he'll be on the board at this point, but if he is, i would not mind picking him.. Curry has big upside, and with loss of Tollefson and Tuck getting up there and OSI in last yr of contract, we could use another end..</P>


3. Ladarious Green TE La Lafeyette- Great pass catcher, who lacks some in the blocking game, but could get better in that area, and he offers as much upside as any TE in this class, from a pass catching standpoint.. </P>


4. Jaye Howard DT Florida- I really like this penetrating DT.. He'd fit great into a rotation, especially on passing down, as a player who can get to the QB...</P>


4. Aaron Henry S Wisconsin- Very underrated safety who has a all around game, and makes plays...</P>


5. Traded for KEITH RIVERS</P>


6. Danny Coale WR Va Tech- A huge sleeper of mine.. This kid can go over the middle, and has enough speed to get deep as well.. Has a nice thick frame, and great intangables...</P>


7. Garth Gerhart C Arizona St- Most underrated C in class.. </P>


Pretty nice mock there nyc. That mock would be ok with me. I wouldn't mind Egnew in the 4th or possibly Hannah from Oklahoma in the 6th? I like both WRs from Va Tech--Coale and Boykin. I know you took a safety in Henry, but I would not mind another CB, should they be the BPA on Reese's board in a particular rd.</P>


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I like Curry in the 2nd, but also like Chandler Jones or maybe Branch. </P>


ya, i could tweak this a million times, but just for today, i felt with who i thought would be around when we pick each rd, this would suffice.. It gives us upside guys in Curry and Green, as well as guys who should be safe picks, like Martin, Henry, and Howard... </P>


U add Curry and Howard to Tuck, OSi, Joseph, JPP, and Canty, and u got a crop of Dlineman that can do it all spread throughout.. A nice mix of Run Stuffing and Pass rush capabilities...</P>

Raptor22
04-12-2012, 02:03 PM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive. I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season.. </p>


I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin? I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan Sept 1st contest!!!!!!! </p>


</p>

If Lattimore doesn't get run into the ground (BIG if), he's my early pick for the Heisman. If Ball can have a repeat performance, he'll be right there too. Barkley as well, but Lattimore is just a monster.
Spurrier will give him 40 carries a game if he can. I hope Spurrier doesnt ruin that kid. I wonder with a new Arkansas coach if Knile Davis will come out in the Supplemental draft

*Sigh* Yeah... Especially with Jeffery gone, barring a really exciting freshman/sophomore, their entire game plan will be "GIVE IT TO LATTIMORE"

That is definitely an interesting possibility... It might depend on who they get to replace him.

Also, can we PLEASE figure out a way to taser people who mock Mike Adams to the Giants in the 1st?

Kase-1
04-12-2012, 02:49 PM
Also, can we PLEASE figure out a way to taser people who mock Mike Adams to the Giants in the 1st?
Why so anti-Adams??

In the 1st Id love Cordy Glenn to be our RT of the future, but I wouldnt mind Adams or Kelechi Osemele in the 2nd

Raptor22
04-12-2012, 03:24 PM
Also, can we PLEASE figure out a way to taser people who mock Mike Adams to the Giants in the 1st?
Why so anti-Adams??

In the 1st Id love Cordy Glenn to be our RT of the future, but I wouldnt mind Adams or Kelechi Osemele in the 2nd


Because: Adams is an "Athletic Freak" who isn't athletic at all, and his tape is mediocre at best. I've been doing a snap-by-snap breakdown of the Ohio St.-Michigan St. game, and Vinny Curry just embarrassed him (hell, even their "secondary" pass rushers gave him a tough time).

Curry isn't even close to the best passrusher in this draft, so just think what Babin, Cole, Orakpo, Aldon Smith, Clay Matthews, DeMarcus Ware... would do.

slipknottin
04-12-2012, 04:27 PM
Because: Adams is an "Athletic Freak" who isn't athletic at all, and his tape is mediocre at best.

Hes extremely athletic. Inconsistent and poor technique and strength are his issues

nycsportzfan
04-12-2012, 06:26 PM
Also, can we PLEASE figure out a way to taser people who mock Mike Adams to the Giants in the 1st?
Why so anti-Adams??

In the 1st Id love Cordy Glenn to be our RT of the future, but I wouldnt mind Adams or Kelechi Osemele in the 2nd
Cordy Glenn would be a great 1st rd selection.. I think the bengals jump all over him with there 2nd 1st, if hes still on the board... As for Osemele and Adams, i would not mind them in RD 1 either.. I like all 3 of those guys in rd 1 if that were to be the case..</P>


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Assuming Whitney Mercilus is not available when we pick, i've become a Doug Martin RB Boise St guy, as for my guy i'm shooting for in rd 1 for us.. I just think about watching Ray Rice and MJD, and how much it'd be great to have a back like that to go along with a incredible WR core, and QB, and it makes me giddy...</P>

nycsportzfan
04-12-2012, 06:26 PM
Also, can we PLEASE figure out a way to taser people who mock Mike Adams to the Giants in the 1st?
Why so anti-Adams??

In the 1st Id love Cordy Glenn to be our RT of the future, but I wouldnt mind Adams or Kelechi Osemele in the 2nd
Cordy Glenn would be a great 1st rd selection.. I think the bengals jump all over him with there 2nd 1st, if hes still on the board... As for Osemele and Adams, i would not mind them in RD 1 either.. I like all 3 of those guys in rd 1 if that were to be the case..</P>


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Assuming Whitney Mercilus is not available when we pick, i've become a Doug Martin RB Boise St guy, as for my guy i'm shooting for in rd 1 for us.. I just think about watching Ray Rice and MJD, and how much it'd be great to have a back like that to go along with a incredible WR core, and QB, and it makes me giddy...</P>

Neverend
04-12-2012, 06:59 PM
Because: Adams is an "Athletic Freak" who isn't athletic at all, and his tape is mediocre at best. I've been doing a snap-by-snap breakdown of the Ohio St.-Michigan St. game, and Vinny Curry just embarrassed him (hell, even their "secondary" pass rushers gave him a tough time)

A little harsh. You can crit a guy because of his struggles but I don't think that makes him a bad athlete. Inconsistent, maybe, but to say he isn't athletic "at all" I think is a poor assessment.

He's one of the few tackles I've seen out of this draft that can really explode off the line. He flashes elite quickness and explosiveness off the ball against the run -- at times. I'm sure there are games out there that show better examples of his talents. I think the issue with the guy is that we see pro bowl talent in flashes as oppose to routinely in a snap to snap basis. But hes a great athlete imho

Kase-1
04-13-2012, 12:50 AM
Also, can we PLEASE figure out a way to taser people who mock Mike Adams to the Giants in the 1st?
Why so anti-Adams??

In the 1st Id love Cordy Glenn to be our RT of the future, but I wouldnt mind Adams or Kelechi Osemele in the 2nd


Because: Adams is an "Athletic Freak" who isn't athletic at all, and his tape is mediocre at best. I've been doing a snap-by-snap breakdown of the Ohio St.-Michigan St. game, and Vinny Curry just embarrassed him (hell, even their "secondary" pass rushers gave him a tough time).

Curry isn't even close to the best passrusher in this draft, so just think what Babin, Cole, Orakpo, Aldon Smith, Clay Matthews, DeMarcus Ware... would do.

1st off Vinny Curry played for Marshall not Michigan State

Adams played well enough to start 1st year as our RT, and thats the only spot Im looking at OL-wise.

2nd Id LOVE Vinny Curry in the 2nd round, the dude has a constant motor and has a knack for making plays in the backfield

nevada11
04-13-2012, 04:14 AM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE Egnew sucks..* He has no upside at all, and* Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy...* Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going* 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and* 6recept 64yrd against LSU.. </P>


Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath..*** Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..</P>

He "sucks". Has "no" upside. Wow, werent you gushing about him a few pages ago in this very thread? I guess people flip flop a lot nowadays

nycsportzfan
04-13-2012, 08:12 AM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE Egnew sucks.. He has no upside at all, and Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy... Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and 6recept 64yrd against LSU.. </P>


Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath.. Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..</P> He "sucks". Has "no" upside. Wow, werent you gushing about him a few pages ago in this very thread? I guess people flip flop a lot nowadays uhh, no...

nevada11
04-13-2012, 02:24 PM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE Egnew sucks..* He has no upside at all, and* Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy...* Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going* 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and* 6recept 64yrd against LSU.. </P>


Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath..*** Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..</P> He "sucks". Has "no" upside. Wow, werent you gushing about him a few pages ago in this very thread? I guess people flip flop a lot nowadays uhh, no...

U were saying a few days ago that u love egnew and u think he would be a great reese draft pick. u said ur only concern is u worry how mizzou tight ends has transitioned into the nfl.

now he just sucks...out of nowhere

Redeyejedi
04-13-2012, 03:14 PM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE Egnew sucks..* He has no upside at all, and* Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy...* Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going* 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and* 6recept 64yrd against LSU.. </P>


Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath..*** Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..</P> He "sucks". Has "no" upside. Wow, werent you gushing about him a few pages ago in this very thread? I guess people flip flop a lot nowadays uhh, no...

U were saying a few days ago that u love egnew and u think he would be a great reese draft pick. u said ur only concern is u worry how mizzou tight ends has transitioned into the nfl.

now he just sucks...out of nowhereEgnew is a hard guy to grade because half his catches are Bubble screens.The Missouri offense does no favors in projecting NFL Tight Ends. While a guy like Fleener is rarely used in a 3 point stance Egnew never is. Egnew wasnt even used as a motion blocker. He basically was just a big receiver

nevada11
04-13-2012, 03:41 PM
Egnew is a hard guy to grade because half his catches are Bubble screens.The Missouri offense does no favors in projecting NFL Tight Ends. While a guy like Fleener is rarely used in a 3 point stance Egnew never is. Egnew wasnt even used as a motion blocker. He basically was just a big receiver

Yea i tried watching him on youtube and all i keep seeing are bubble catches. its like why am i bothering watching him. i wish there was a decent highlight film of him

what do you mean fleener is rarely used in a 3 point stance? doesnt stanford have a pro style offense unlike mizzou? in videos i have seen him with his hand in the ground a lot

Redeyejedi
04-13-2012, 05:01 PM
Egnew is a hard guy to grade because half his catches are Bubble screens.The Missouri offense does no favors in projecting NFL Tight Ends. While a guy like Fleener is rarely used in a 3 point stance Egnew never is. Egnew wasnt even used as a motion blocker. He basically was just a big receiver

Yea i tried watching him on youtube and all i keep seeing are bubble catches. its like why am i bothering watching him. i wish there was a decent highlight film of him

what do you mean fleener is rarely used in a 3 point stance? doesnt stanford have a pro style offense unlike mizzou? in videos i have seen him with his hand in the ground a lotStanford plays 3 Tight ends. Zach Ertz they use a little more as the run blocking in line tight end but FLeener does see snaps there.

Neverend
04-13-2012, 05:18 PM
Egnew is a hard guy to grade because half his catches are Bubble screens.The Missouri offense does no favors in projecting NFL Tight Ends. While a guy like Fleener is rarely used in a 3 point stance Egnew never is. Egnew wasnt even used as a motion blocker. He basically was just a big receiver

Yea i tried watching him on youtube and all i keep seeing are bubble catches. its like why am i bothering watching him. i wish there was a decent highlight film of him

what do you mean fleener is rarely used in a 3 point stance? doesnt stanford have a pro style offense unlike mizzou? in videos i have seen him with his hand in the ground a lot

Where ever you're getting info its pretty inaccurate

Fleener doesnt even get that many snaps on run downs. Hes mostly used as a receiver. He plays in a heavy TE roation with ertz and toilolo. Even their fullback ryan hewitt has gotten more snaps then he does on run plays with his hand on the dirt as a TE

Anyone who tells you he's purely a tight to the line, 3 point stance TE is just an ignorant person talking out of their rear end. Its just wrong

Whats also wrong is the notion that fleener is some H-back that you have to be creative in finding ways to use him. I can't recall how many times ive read "wow, watched fleener and hes a better blocker than given credit for".

Hes a lot more versatile than egnew at this stage

nycsportzfan
04-13-2012, 07:45 PM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE Egnew sucks.. He has no upside at all, and Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy... Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and 6recept 64yrd against LSU.. </P>


Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath.. Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..</P>


He "sucks". Has "no" upside. Wow, werent you gushing about him a few pages ago in this very thread? I guess people flip flop a lot nowadays uhh, no... U were saying a few days ago that u love egnew and u think he would be a great reese draft pick. u said ur only concern is u worry how mizzou tight ends has transitioned into the nfl. now he just sucks...out of nowhere uhh, no i didn't..lol I've said before that Mizzo TE's are usually busts, and he is probably the next in line for just that, but thats about all.. The most compliments hes ever gotten outta me was at the combine, when i slightly got excited, but then that wore off, and i realized, screw that, guy only had 8 TDS in his career, with his size, and for being nothing but a reciever, his numbers aren't nearly all that...</P>


Please enlighten me, and find this so called post from a couple days ago.. I'd love to see it...</P>

Neverend
04-14-2012, 12:50 AM
Sucks might be a little harsh. He has really nice ball skills and body control

I think egnew might end up being another martellus bennett. great basketball player, not so great football player. great speed, jumps, body contorting skills and what not.. but lacking the fluidity and quickness to be a great receiver. Egnew is a phenomenal athlete but he is stiff, not green...

Egnew has had a great offseason thus far besides senior bowl where this supposed athletic freak couldn't separate at all

Redeyejedi
04-15-2012, 11:10 AM
Ive been looking at 2013 prospects a lot lately and David Amerson is incredible. The quickness he has for being 6-3 194 is incredible.What a Ballhawk as well

Neverend
04-15-2012, 12:30 PM
I'm impressed by this coty sensabaugh who plays for clemson

watching him, he just absolutely dominated his matchup against alshon jeffery. he makes plays and recovers well

nycsportzfan
04-15-2012, 02:13 PM
Ive been looking at 2013 prospects a lot lately and David Amerson is incredible. The quickness he has for being 6-3 194 is incredible.What a Ballhawk as well Ya, i totally agree with you.. I think hes a top 10pick.. Johnathan Banks CB Miss St is another guy whos really good, but not as good as amerson...

Neverend
04-15-2012, 11:45 PM
ny Pauline?@TonyPauline
Have not seen this reported anywhere but Devon Wylie/WR/Fresno State will be visiting the New York Giants....

I like it. I remember watching some of his scouting videos the other day and came away impressed. this guy has got a really good combination of quickness and speed.

issue is.. can he play outside in the nfl? i think out of all the great slot receivers (broyles, hilton, etc) he may have the best chance since hes really laterally quick off the line

Redeyejedi
04-16-2012, 10:17 AM
Ive been looking at 2013 prospects a lot lately and David Amerson is incredible. The quickness he has for being 6-3 194 is incredible.What a Ballhawk as well Ya, i totally agree with you..* I think hes a top 10pick..*** Johnathan Banks CB Miss St is another guy whos really good, but not as good as amerson...Amerson is an insane Ballhawk ,13 Interceptions in 2011. He has the size at 6-3 194.

For those who didnt see the 1 st I put up on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN3QokFVyNM

I have more coming.Ive been cutting 2013 vids here and there. Im trying to get the best performances and Match ups done. Honestly a little board with 2012 prospects. Im ready to start breaking down the rich 2013 pass rushers. Most of them are Juniors though.I just want the draft to get here so I can start looking at the players the Giants drafted more closely

critters
04-16-2012, 12:53 PM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive. I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season.. </p>


I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin? I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan Sept 1st contest!!!!!!! </p>


</p>

Looking forward to that game as well, but I personally think this one is going to be a bit of a dud. I don't think Michigan matches up well with Alabama, although Alabma did lose A LOT of talent and leadership on defense. I'm not sure Michigan's defense can slow down Alabama's offense and Denard is going to have a really hard time. I think Alabama will win by 13+. If Denard uses his arm more than his legs and can put pressure on that young secondary, then Michigan's chances skyrocket... but they are big and fast in that front 7 and have a trend going of spanking their first big OOC opponent.

nycsportzfan
04-16-2012, 03:00 PM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive. I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season.. </P>


I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin? I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan Sept 1st contest!!!!!!! </P>


</P>

Looking forward to that game as well, but I personally think this one is going to be a bit of a dud. I don't think Michigan matches up well with Alabama, although Alabma did lose A LOT of talent and leadership on defense. I'm not sure Michigan's defense can slow down Alabama's offense and Denard is going to have a really hard time. I think Alabama will win by 13+. If Denard uses his arm more than his legs and can put pressure on that young secondary, then Michigan's chances skyrocket... but they are big and fast in that front 7 and have a trend going of spanking their first big OOC opponent.
I think Denard Robinson takes the next step forward this yr, and improves his passing a bit, whi9ch makes him a better dual threat, then just being a runner.. Losing Menzie, Richardson, Vlachos, Hightower, Maze, Kirkpatrick, Chapman, is gonna effect them at least alittle bit.. I don't nessecarily think Mich wins, but i do think the games a close one, just because of Denrad/Toussiant combonation..

critters
04-16-2012, 05:15 PM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive. I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season.. </p>


I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin? I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan Sept 1st contest!!!!!!! </p>


</p>

Looking forward to that game as well, but I personally think this one is going to be a bit of a dud. I don't think Michigan matches up well with Alabama, although Alabma did lose A LOT of talent and leadership on defense. I'm not sure Michigan's defense can slow down Alabama's offense and Denard is going to have a really hard time. I think Alabama will win by 13+. If Denard uses his arm more than his legs and can put pressure on that young secondary, then Michigan's chances skyrocket... but they are big and fast in that front 7 and have a trend going of spanking their first big OOC opponent.
I think Denard Robinson takes the next step forward this yr, and improves his passing a bit, whi9ch makes him a better dual threat, then just being a runner.. Losing Menzie, Richardson, Vlachos, Hightower, Maze, Kirkpatrick, Chapman, is gonna effect them at least alittle bit.. I don't nessecarily think Mich wins, but i do think the games a close one, just because of Denrad/Toussiant combonation..

Losing Menzie, Kirkpatrick and Barron will hurt the most if Denard does indeed make a big step forward in his passing. They do return a previous starter in Milliner (before Menzie took his spot) and they still have Lester at safety... but otherwise they have some major question marks at DB. That front 7 though is why I think Denard has to throw a good bit... Dial, Williams and Square are all returning starters on the Dline while Nico Johnson, CJ Mosley and DePriest are all returning starters or heavy contributors at LB. Alabama seemed to rely heavily on Upshaw's pass rush which will be gone now as well. If they can't get pressure on Denard, he could have a big day... but otherwise, running qbs seem to have very little success against Saban's defense.

On offense, Alabama should have one of the best Olines in the country and should still have some good RBs and their receivers should be improved. Not to mention, AJ McCarron will have a championship year under his belt and returning for his 2nd year as a starter. I have to think he's going to be pretty good. Guess we'll see, but I'm honestly picturing about a 34-17 type of game. I could very easily be underestimating what Michigan is capable of and overestimating Alabama's offense.

nevada11
04-17-2012, 02:34 AM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE Egnew sucks..* He has no upside at all, and* Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy...* Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going* 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and* 6recept 64yrd against LSU.. </P>


Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath..*** Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..</P>


He "sucks". Has "no" upside. Wow, werent you gushing about him a few pages ago in this very thread? I guess people flip flop a lot nowadays uhh, no... U were saying a few days ago that u love egnew and u think he would be a great reese draft pick. u said ur only concern is u worry how mizzou tight ends has transitioned into the nfl. now he just sucks...out of nowhere* uhh, no i didn't..lol* I've said before that Mizzo TE's are usually busts, and he is probably the next in line for just that, but thats about all..* The most compliments hes ever gotten outta me was at the combine, when i slightly got excited, but then that wore off, and i realized, screw that,* guy only had 8 TDS in his career, with his size, and for being nothing but a reciever, his numbers aren't nearly all that...</P>


Please enlighten me, and find this so called post from a couple days ago.. I'd love to see it...</P>

I was wrong. I saw your post about Egnew on the combine thread and my mind thought of it as you saying that recently when that thread was made months ago

Redeyejedi
04-17-2012, 08:33 AM
Who goes number 1 in 2013, Matt Barkley, Logan Thomas. Im so bored with 2012 prospects. Cant wait till I see who the Giants pick so I can go cut there tapes. Next year Im taking a different strategy with prospect cutting. This year I went and got all the big name performances to get the most views each week. Next year Im going to grab all the small school games first. Now I cant find any of the games I want but all the Big School games I can still get. No one seems to keep the small school games for very ling on there hard drive. I think it depends on whos picking 1st overall, but most likely i see Matt Barkley as the Number 1 overall pick.. He really impressed me this past season..* </p>


I will say, i think Shoelace is gonna win the Heisman though.. I got a feeling Michigans gonna be Rose Bowl bound and Shoelace is gonna be Heisman bound... I love Fitzgerald Toussiant as well.. They got some issues though, but i think Denard Robsinson is gonna have a silly good season offensively.. The one question standing in there way in my opinon, is if* Roy Roundtree, Jeremey Gallon, and Drew Dileo can step up in the pass catching game, and can the Dline produce minus Van Bergen and M.Martin?** I cant wait for that Alabama/Michigan* Sept 1st contest!!!!!!!* </p>


*</p>

Looking forward to that game as well, but I personally think this one is going to be a bit of a dud. I don't think Michigan matches up well with Alabama, although Alabma did lose A LOT of talent and leadership on defense. I'm not sure Michigan's defense can slow down Alabama's offense and Denard is going to have a really hard time. I think Alabama will win by 13+. If Denard uses his arm more than his legs and can put pressure on that young secondary, then Michigan's chances skyrocket... but they are big and fast in that front 7 and have a trend going of spanking their first big OOC opponent.
* I think Denard Robinson takes the next step forward this yr, and improves his passing a bit, whi9ch makes him a better dual threat, then just being a runner.. Losing Menzie, Richardson, Vlachos, Hightower, Maze, Kirkpatrick, Chapman,* is gonna effect them at least alittle bit..* I don't nessecarily think Mich wins, but i do think the games a close one, just because of* Denrad/Toussiant combonation..

Losing Menzie, Kirkpatrick and Barron will hurt the most if Denard does indeed make a big step forward in his passing. They do return a previous starter in Milliner (before Menzie took his spot) and they still have Lester at safety... but otherwise they have some major question marks at DB. That front 7 though is why I think Denard has to throw a good bit... Dial, Williams and Square are all returning starters on the Dline while Nico Johnson, CJ Mosley and DePriest are all returning starters or heavy contributors at LB. Alabama seemed to rely heavily on Upshaw's pass rush which will be gone now as well. If they can't get pressure on Denard, he could have a big day... but otherwise, running qbs seem to have very little success against Saban's defense.

On offense, Alabama should have one of the best Olines in the country and should still have some good RBs and their receivers should be improved.* Not to mention, AJ McCarron will have a championship year under his belt and returning for his 2nd year as a starter. I have to think he's going to be pretty good. Guess we'll see, but I'm honestly picturing about a 34-17 type of game. I could very easily be underestimating what Michigan is capable of and overestimating Alabama's offense.
I think LSU and Georgia may be better then Alabama.
If this game was late in the season I dont think Michigan would have much of a chance. The fact that its early in the year gives them a chance

Redeyejedi
04-17-2012, 08:39 AM
green is overrated. i have watched him a lot. he is stiff. he is big and fast but he drops a lot of balls. he loses a lot of one-on-one 50/50 balls, he is an underachiever i would rather take egnew than that overrated TE Egnew sucks..* He has no upside at all, and* Green's upside is through the roof. With a good TE coach, Green could become a star in this league, i see Egnew as just another guy, in a long list of Mizzo TE's that end up being just another guy...* Green has produced when given the chance against TOP competiton all ready, going* 4recpt 87yrd 1td against GA, and* 6recept 64yrd against LSU.. </P>


Egnew isn't gonna beat u vertically either, and Green is very capable of doing that, as well as underneath..*** Green is more of a redzone threat as well, and simply capable of scoring more, because of his ability to go anywhere on the feild, as opposed to just mainly underneath stuff.. I'll take Green over Egnew everyday and twice on sundays.. Its not even close really..</P>


He "sucks". Has "no" upside. Wow, werent you gushing about him a few pages ago in this very thread? I guess people flip flop a lot nowadays uhh, no... U were saying a few days ago that u love egnew and u think he would be a great reese draft pick. u said ur only concern is u worry how mizzou tight ends has transitioned into the nfl. now he just sucks...out of nowhere* uhh, no i didn't..lol* I've said before that Mizzo TE's are usually busts, and he is probably the next in line for just that, but thats about all..* The most compliments hes ever gotten outta me was at the combine, when i slightly got excited, but then that wore off, and i realized, screw that,* guy only had 8 TDS in his career, with his size, and for being nothing but a reciever, his numbers aren't nearly all that...</P>


Please enlighten me, and find this so called post from a couple days ago.. I'd love to see it...</P>

I was wrong. I saw your post about Egnew on the combine thread and my mind thought of it as you saying that recently when that thread was made months agoEgnew is a guy thats just hard to predict from college tape. Stephen Hill is another. When u dont see a guy line up in line ever or run a route tree like Hill how do u know how they will respond to that. Thats where personal meetings with the players come in.If the guys are coach able it makes a huge difference. Unfortunately we dont have that kind of access on a player unless he is over the top bad like Vontaze Burfict .

Redeyejedi
04-17-2012, 10:09 AM
Was looking at some of Cyrus Grays 2010 games I cut comparing them to 2011 .I think the injuries really held him back this season. His acceleration to the hole was much better, His pad level is lower and in the open field he was more adapt at making guys miss. Loks a litle like Lesean Mcoy in 2010. If the Giants dont want to take a RB 2 early this is the guy they should draft

critters
04-17-2012, 10:39 AM
I expect LSU to be, but they didn't win the National Championship and they return more players. Alabama will probably drop a bit since they won the NC, it happens to everyone, and because of all the players they lost. As for Georgia, I'll believe it when I see it. Aside from maybe FSU, I can't think of team that does less with more than Georgia. I respect Coach Richt, but his team always seems to play weak, undisciplined football. Lucky for him, Grantham runs that defense by himself and you could see them getting where they needed to be last year. I think their defense is going to be solid, top 5 in the country solid, but I want to see their offense play before I say they'll be better than Alabama. With all that said, I expect Georgia to be really good and they have the easiest schedule I may have ever seen from an SEC team... so they'll be highly ranked all year and they'll be in the SECCG. Problem is, the SECCG will be the only test they've had all year. As usual, half his team will be suspended for the first couple games, we'll see if that effects them at all.

I think LSU is going to win the SEC and the BCSCG.

Redeyejedi
04-25-2012, 09:37 AM
1 more guy I havent talked about enough but is real talented is Ron Brooks from LSU. I was going over 3 games for a Brandon Taylor video and he really is a playmaker. He kind of gets ignored with all the talent in LSU's secondary but he is going to be a great get for a team in the middle rounds

Here is a vid I cut of him and im going to try to do another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh-nKyoR1L4

Redeyejedi
04-29-2012, 10:08 AM
I have so many games full cut. I will start with Pass Rushers and QB's

BlueSanta
04-29-2012, 03:04 PM
I would say the 1 guy I loved this past year, who is coming out in 2013 is Bjoern Werner, DE from FSU.

I think barring injury, and assuming he picks up where he left off in 2011, he is a top 10 pick.

rainierjef
04-29-2012, 05:04 PM
Tyrann Mathieuis the guy i am going to pay close attention to this year

lawl
04-29-2012, 08:19 PM
In my estimation. Safety dt and de will be our top needs next offseason.

Axels15
04-29-2012, 08:25 PM
Agreed- I was surprised not to see a DE at all this draft.

They also might start looking at QBs to groom?

rainierjef
04-29-2012, 08:25 PM
In my estimation. Safety dt and de will be our top needs next offseason.

you still think were good at TE that we don't need to address it next year. by the way i agreed with most of what you posted a couple of days ago, but you can't fight the mob some people refuse to step out of the matrix

TheEnigma
04-29-2012, 08:36 PM
I'll be keeping my eyes on Brandon Jenkins as a possible Osi replacement in the future.

lawl
04-29-2012, 08:36 PM
In my estimation. Safety dt and de will be our top needs next offseason.

you still think were good at TE that we don't need to address it next year. by the way i agreed with most of what you posted a couple of days ago, but you can't fight the mob some people refuse to step out of the matrix


I don't think te is a position that they value.

We went into last season with basically noone

BlueSanta
04-30-2012, 01:34 AM
I'll be keeping my eyes on Brandon Jenkins as a possible Osi replacement in the future.

He is a decent player, but he will end up a 34 passrushing OLB.

nycsportzfan
04-30-2012, 12:34 PM
I have so many games full cut. I will start with Pass Rushers and QB's One guy who i'm super intrigued by is STAR LOTULELEI DT UTAH... This kids 6ft 4in 325lbs, of non stop motor! Hes got tremendous upper body strength, and explosion.. I'd love for some video's of this guy... A guy i'm really hoping for early on as well, is Kawaan Short DT Purdue.. I loved Kawaan this yr, and expect a bump in production which would be something, seeing how he all ready has been very productive.. There was games i watched, where he was the best player on the field..

critters
04-30-2012, 02:40 PM
2013 SEC guys I'm excited about (some are juniors that I'm assuming will declare):

Jesse Williams (DT/DE Alabama)
CJ Mosley (LB Alabama)
Chance Warmack (OG Alabama)
Eddie Lacy (RB Alabama)
D Milliner (CB Alabama)
Barrett Jones (OG/OT/C Alabama.. dude does it all... and extremely well)

Tyler Wilson (QB Arkansas)

Jarvis Jones (LB Georgia)
Alec Ogletree (LB Georgia)
John Jenkins (DT Georgia)
Aaron Murray (QB Georgia)

Sam Montgomery (DE LSU)
Barkevious Mingo (DE LSU)
Spencer Ware (RB LSU)
Eric Reid (S LSU)

Philip Lutzenkirchen (TE Auburn)
Corey Lemonier (DE Auburn)
Michael Dyer (RB Auburn/Arkansas State)

Marcus Lattimore (RB South Carolina)

Ju'Wuan James (OT Tennessee)
Da'Rick Rogers (WR Tennessee)

rainierjef
05-01-2012, 07:33 AM
I have so many games full cut. I will start with Pass Rushers and QB's One guy who i'm super intrigued by is STAR LOTULELEI DT UTAH... This kids 6ft 4in 325lbs, of non stop motor! Hes got tremendous upper body strength, and explosion.. I'd love for some video's of this guy... A guy i'm really hoping for early on as well, is Kawaan Short DT Purdue.. I loved Kawaan this yr, and expect a bump in production which would be something, seeing how he all ready has been very productive.. There was games i watched, where he was the best player on the field..

i second that star lotulelei as well as Bjoern Werner and alex okafor

rainierjef
05-01-2012, 07:37 AM
Philip Lutzenkirchen the TE from auburn. 6-4 / 250 good hands runs a 4.76 probably a little faster than that game speed, all i need to know is if he can block

Redeyejedi
05-05-2012, 04:49 PM
Seeing on Twitter a rumor of Montee Ball being arrested at a block party at the Univ Wisconsin </P>

nevada11
05-05-2012, 05:55 PM
Seeing on Twitter a rumor of* Montee Ball being arrested at a block party at the Univ Wisconsin </P>

Rofl

i love how gets skinny thru the hole, small, and runs really low but hes overrated anyway. he plays behind an incredible wisconsin line

Redeyejedi
05-09-2012, 07:01 PM
I'll be keeping my eyes on Brandon Jenkins as a possible Osi replacement in the future.Dion Jordan of Oregon is the guy Im looking at. Pure pass rush specialist. He is rather light at 235 but has great length at 6'7".

Mel KIper had his Top 25 today and had 3 Michigan State players which I disagreed with

Mel Kiper Jr. ? @MelKiperESPN
Thanks for all the solid guesses- Those of you who said Michigan State were correct. CB Johnny Adams, DE William Gholston, & RB Le'Veon Bell

Jmpasq ? @Jmpasq
@MelKiperESPN Better chance 0 of those guys get drafted Top 25 then 3 of them

Mel Kiper Jr. ? @MelKiperESPN
@Jmpasq You are right, but that doesn't prevent them from being in the Top 25. Adams (2nd highest rated CB), Gholston (3rd DE), Bell(2nd RB)

Redeyejedi
05-17-2012, 03:48 PM
Barett Jones has been moved to Center this season for Alabama

alau53
05-18-2012, 01:03 AM
enigma..you hit on mosely..gmen drafted him in 4th rd so got good value since u projected him 3rd..good call..i hope giants draft 32 again next yr

Redeyejedi
05-19-2012, 03:05 PM
The SEc and Big 12 have come to an agreement that the 2 Champions of their conferences will play each other in a Bowl game. Its basically another Rose Bowl. I wonder if the ACC and Big East will do one now as well. The SEC champ will be in the National Title game anyway but its still cool.

alau53
05-20-2012, 04:11 PM
great call..they signed him as a f/a and he has a ring

alau53
05-20-2012, 04:18 PM
Isn't it a LITTLE too early for this?????????? Who knows how our new picks will fare this year?</P>


In case U didnt notice Ive been touching on the spots we didnt address. Im projecting are needs for 2011** LB/C/RB* and next CB and RT. If your not interested U dont have to contribute. I follow CFB and its players so Im informed when the draft rolls around. Im sharing with others, players that I will be watching this coming season and asking*posters to do the same.*Unlike most I watch the games and have my own opinions that are*not formed by reading Draftdog 2 months before the draft*</P>

i think we go O-line in next years draft, everyone on our line is over thirty or close to it exception being snee

I want a running back with speed please.

you should be happy with david wilson pick..speed in backfield

Redeyejedi
05-30-2012, 03:38 PM
I was reading on the UNC Scout page that Dwight Jones was the laziest FB player and had serious character issues. Guess they were right as he went undrafted and then Quit Football. What a waste because the guy is talented. Bet we havent heard the last of him and i dont mean on the Football field

Redeyejedi
05-30-2012, 10:26 PM
Its cool that Rueben Randle was 1 of the few players to retweet my videos when I put them out during draft season

NCGiant23
06-09-2012, 12:45 PM
Redeye, what are your thoughts on Deandre Hopkins WR, Clemson? Any chance he's worth a look if he leaves early?

BlueSanta
06-10-2012, 10:29 AM
Redeye, what are your thoughts on Deandre Hopkins WR, Clemson? Any chance he's worth a look if he leaves early?


I dunno about him. Clemson had so many offensive weapons last year that he recieved no attention and while his stats didnt stink, he also wasn't a star.

Most defenses cared about stopping Watkins 1st and foremost leaving the lesser dbs to deal with Hopkins. I think that is 1 of the main reasons he was able to get a lot of stats. I am a bit iffy on him as a prospect for the NFL

Neverend
06-10-2012, 06:58 PM
All those clemson receivers are extremely impressive, they can climb the ladder and catch passes so damn well. imo hopkins is very good, as is Boyd too. they're all talented, shame their QB sucks so much

NCGiant23
06-11-2012, 09:58 PM
All those clemson receivers are extremely impressive, they can climb the ladder and catch passes so damn well. imo hopkins is very good, as is Boyd too. they're all talented, shame their QB sucks so muchNot to be an *****, but you realize Boyd is their QB right?

Neverend
06-13-2012, 09:12 PM
All those clemson receivers are extremely impressive, they can climb the ladder and catch passes so damn well. imo hopkins is very good, as is Boyd too. they're all talented, shame their QB sucks so muchNot to be an *****, but you realize Boyd is their QB right?


whoops yea, sorry for the mix up his name mightve actually been foyd. cant be bothered remembering, but their 2nd string tight end really stood out to me when i was watching dwayne allen one time

Redeyejedi
08-02-2012, 09:04 AM
Cowboys OLB Adrian Hamilton has been all over my Twitter timeline. Cowboys might of found themselves a Cameron Wake

Imgrate
08-02-2012, 03:12 PM
what's the running back situation like this upcoming draft. More specifically, pass catching backs that are expected to go rounds 1-3

Redeyejedi
08-05-2012, 08:48 AM
Man I feel really bad for Chris Childs. Both Knees torn ACL MCL. Guy is super talented his body just wont hold up. It has to be a terrible feeling to know mentally u are good enough but u just keep breaking down.

Redeyejedi
08-05-2012, 09:03 AM
Joseph Randle Oklahoma State - Explosive sub 4.4 speed has a WR frame. needs to add weight which im sure he will before the draft. runs well in between the tackles as well

DJ Harper Boise State- Skill Set of an every down back but 2 has had ACL injuries. Very good in Pass protection, has some wiggle to him.

Dennis Johnson Arkansas

Kenjon Barner Oregon

Onterio Mccaleb Auburn

Rex Burkhead Nebraska

Redeyejedi
08-06-2012, 10:45 AM
http://blogs.ourlads.com/2012/08/06/new-york-giants-2012-nfl-draft-review/

Former NFL Scout Draft review of the Gmen

Redeyejedi
08-10-2012, 08:26 AM
The Eagles really nailed it with Damaris Johnson. I brought him up before he got suspended in 2011 for embezzlement. Kid is super shifty and in my opinion had better college tape then Jerrel Jernigan,. He fits into their team perfectly. He is another guy that is hard to tackle in the open field. Like the Eagles needed another guy like him


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sI4mLBSqzA

Redeyejedi
08-10-2012, 02:02 PM
Im seeing from certain sources Mathieu has been kicked off the team

Redeyejedi
08-11-2012, 05:40 PM
Cant wait to see Russell Wilson tonight . Heard he is playing a half

Redeyejedi
08-13-2012, 04:42 PM
Just saw a picture today of the University of Tennessee's new Nose Tackle Daniel McCullers . A Juco Transfer guy is 6'6" 390 pounds.What do u think that guy eats fro Dinner. Maybe like a whole Turkey and a bag of potatos. Cant find any footage of him but if he has any lateral movement he should be a monster run defender

https://p.twimg.com/A0M3q4GCQAAvT1E.jpg:large

nycsportzfan
08-14-2012, 10:23 PM
Just saw a picture today of the University of Tennessee's new Nose Tackle Daniel McCullers . A Juco Transfer guy is 6'6" 390 pounds.What do u think that guy eats fro Dinner. Maybe like a whole Turkey and a bag of potatos. Cant find any footage of him but if he has any lateral movement he should be a monster run defender

https://p.twimg.com/A0M3q4GCQAAvT1E.jpg:large if that guy isn't careful next to him, he just might be that dudes next meal..lol Seriously, this dude is a freaking monster! He looks to be in pretty god darn good shape as well..

A guy i'm looking forward to following his progress this yr is MISTER COBBLE DT KENTUCKY.. Hes a 6ft 1in 328lb monster himself... Talk about a bowling ball..lol

Redeyejedi
08-18-2012, 12:15 AM
Man Audie Cole 2 Pick 6's tonight

nycsportzfan
08-19-2012, 09:23 AM
Man Audie Cole 2 Pick 6's tonight Yup, i really liked him as a prospect.. He was one of those guys who dropped for stupid reasons, and his size and production should of amounted to more then it did .. I was mentioning him in RD 4 as a guy i wanted to pick.. Would of much rather him then Adrien Robinson..

Redeyejedi
08-23-2012, 09:05 AM
Yup, i really liked him as a prospect.. He was one of those guys who dropped for stupid reasons, and his size and production should of amounted to more then it did .. I was mentioning him in RD 4 as a guy i wanted to pick.. Would of much rather him then Adrien Robinson..I thought he was 2 big to help out in coverage. I thought his zones drops for a guy his size were very good. Is he Brian Urlacher in his prime? Well no but he wasnt the liability he was made out to be. Could of got Robinson later.Im convinced of that. I think most teams would of traded back to the 5th round then selected him. i dont buy there was no else they wanted or any deals out there. they are very static with there moves and it bothers me. U see teams adding picks and they just stand still. How great would it be if u added a 5th next year as well as got Robinson. When I first saw Robinson I thought it was the LB from Temple who they were taking

nycsportzfan
08-24-2012, 01:36 PM
I thought he was 2 big to help out in coverage. I thought his zones drops for a guy his size were very good. Is he Brian Urlacher in his prime? Well no but he wasnt the liability he was made out to be. Could of got Robinson later.Im convinced of that. I think most teams would of traded back to the 5th round then selected him. i dont buy there was no else they wanted or any deals out there. they are very static with there moves and it bothers me. U see teams adding picks and they just stand still. How great would it be if u added a 5th next year as well as got Robinson. When I first saw Robinson I thought it was the LB from Temple who they were taking I here ya totally.. Even if Robinson ends up being good, which who knows, it was a risky pick not needed to be made yet.. I'm not sure Robinson woulden't of been there with our 6th rd pick! Only 1 TE got taken from the time we picked A.Robinson till we picked again in the 6th,a nd that was James Hanna who i think the Cowboys would of selected either way, and with guys like David Paulson falling to like the (late 6th or 7th rd?), how can we be sure teams werent finding value in other areas and Robinson could of snuck right through the cracks?

There was a ton of good value players we could of got in RD 4 instead of Robinson.. Guys like Cole, menzie, t.carder, j.norman, s.kelemente...etc I mean, i just don't trust a guy who does just about nothing on a team with qb's like Tony Pike and Zach Collaros, ya know? I hope i'm wrong and in the 6th, id of had no problem with the pick, but not where we got em...

juice33s
08-24-2012, 11:33 PM
Here Redeye, this should keep you busy (http://www.seniorbowl.com/files/Watch%20List%20Release%282%29.pdf)http://www.seniorbowl.com/files/Watch%20List%20Release%282%29.pdf

(http://www.seniorbowl.com/files/Watch%20List%20Release%282%29.pdf)Senior Bowls first ever watch list

Redeyejedi
08-24-2012, 11:42 PM
Russell Wilson has looked incredible this Preseason. Only Luck has looked better and its very close

nycsportzfan
08-25-2012, 06:35 PM
Russell Wilson has looked incredible this Preseason. Only Luck has looked better and its very close Ya, hes been utterly insane and i'm really not surprised in the least bit..

nycsportzfan
08-26-2012, 05:15 AM
Man, if there was one draft pick that seemed destined to be its Larry Warford G Kentucky 6ft 3in 343lb to the Cowboys..lol With there Interior issues and love of road graders, its a match made in heaven for them..lol

Speaking of the guards, Barrett Jones is a guy i'd trade up for if i was the GIANTS and were picking where i hope we are.. The guy can play everywhere and gives insane versatility as well as a talented lineman who fits are seemingly prefreence in lighter, agile types who can trap and pull..

nycsportzfan
08-26-2012, 05:38 AM
man, this is the Yr of the Big TE! Between Michael Williams Alabama, Cj Fiedorowicz Iowa, Dc Jefferson Rutgers, Dion Sims Mich St, Joseph Fauria UCLA, Joe Don Duncan Dixie St, Ben Cotton Nebraska, and even Eifert has solid size.. U can get a big time blocker this yr at the TE positon thats for sure.. I'll gurantee u the Giants grab one of these guys this yr..

Redeyejedi
08-31-2012, 09:07 AM
I put up a video of Vanderbilt WR Jordan Matthews "Cousin of Jerry Rice" the other day. im telling U he is going to have a huge season and vault into the group of top WR's. Had a bad drop last night and body catches a little to much for my liking. Got to keep a close eye on his hands as the season progresses but on his 2011 tape he looked fine hands wise. He is big Legit 6'3"although listed 6'4". Reminds me a little of Kenny Britt to be quite honest. Had a 78 yard Catch and run vs South Carolina ended the game with 8 catches for 147 yards and a TD. Would of been more put the refs missed a blatant pass interference penalty on 4th and 13 with 2:00 left. DJ Swearninger grabbed his arm and they missed the call. It cost VaNDY the game
Here is the missed call. I dont know how the ref missed it he is staring right at them


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGMMtlOmRD8

Redeyejedi
08-31-2012, 09:10 AM
man, this is the Yr of the Big TE! Between Michael Williams Alabama, Cj Fiedorowicz Iowa, Dc Jefferson Rutgers, Dion Sims Mich St, Joseph Fauria UCLA, Joe Don Duncan Dixie St, Ben Cotton Nebraska, and even Eifert has solid size.. U can get a big time blocker this yr at the TE positon thats for sure.. I'll gurantee u the Giants grab one of these guys this yr..Yeah Fauria is very intriguing. He cant block a lick but he just oozes athletic ability. Lot of potential with him

BlueSanta
08-31-2012, 10:07 AM
I enjoyed that SC Vandi game(the defenses.) There was more talent on the Vandi side than I expected.

penguinfarmer
08-31-2012, 08:57 PM
Hmm, Amerson just got toasted on a simple 9.

Redeyejedi
08-31-2012, 09:15 PM
Bit on a double move. He lacks recovery speed . I think he is going to be a safety.


Hey Sportzfan Bobby Massie is the starting RT for the Cardinals.I wonder if anyone saw that coming.

nycsportzfan
08-31-2012, 10:00 PM
I put up a video of Vanderbilt WR Jordan Matthews "Cousin of Jerry Rice" the other day. im telling U he is going to have a huge season and vault into the group of top WR's. Had a bad drop last night and body catches a little to much for my liking. Got to keep a close eye on his hands as the season progresses but on his 2011 tape he looked fine hands wise. He is big Legit 6'3"although listed 6'4". Reminds me a little of Kenny Britt to be quite honest. Had a 78 yard Catch and run vs South Carolina ended the game with 8 catches for 147 yards and a TD. Would of been more put the refs missed a blatant pass interference penalty on 4th and 13 with 2:00 left. DJ Swearninger grabbed his arm and they missed the call. It cost VaNDY the game
Here is the missed call. I dont know how the ref missed it he is staring right at them


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGMMtlOmRD8 britt was a bit more explosive.. Mathews reminds me more of Marques Colston.. Colston body catches as well, but uses his body well and is tough to bring down.. I started a COLLEGE THREAD for the games...

Redeyejedi
09-01-2012, 12:23 AM
Leveon Bell had 50 frickin touches against Boise State 265 yards combined

BlueSanta
09-01-2012, 07:30 AM
britt was a bit more explosive.. Mathews reminds me more of Marques Colston.. Colston body catches as well, but uses his body well and is tough to bring down.. I started a COLLEGE THREAD for the games...

I agree very much.

Mathews looked good, but I didn't see explosion out of him. His size and the use of his body are both good, but I want to see him separate.

Btw, I am looking for that thread. I enjoy college ball just as much as the pros and it has already started.

nycsportzfan
09-01-2012, 08:39 AM
Leveon Bell had 50 frickin touches against Boise State 265 yards combined Yes, go to General Sports and u will see the 2012 COLLEGE FB thread where i also mentioned Bell..

Looking forward to the ND/NAVY tilt from ireland.. ND is starting a freshman QB, and i can't wait to see how he plays!

nycsportzfan
09-01-2012, 08:45 AM
I agree very much.

Mathews looked good, but I didn't see explosion out of him. His size and the use of his body are both good, but I want to see him separate.

Btw, I am looking for that thread. I enjoy college ball just as much as the pros and it has already started. Mathews is very good indeed, just not the explosive type.. Theres a place in the NFL for all sorts of diffrent types of WR, and the big/strong/tough to bring down guys are fine indeed.. I just didn't see the britt comparison as much as redeye is all..

The college football thread is in GENERAL SPORTS...

gmen0820
09-01-2012, 09:58 PM
Wow, Marquis Lee looks very bad today.

gmen0820
09-01-2012, 11:21 PM
Charles Davis just took the words out of my mouth about Lee.

Imgrate
09-02-2012, 11:15 AM
Blake bortles, qb UCF. keep an eye on this kid. There was a time when kiffin wanted him at tennessee

Kase-1
09-02-2012, 11:21 AM
So the college season has started and I am trying to get ahead of the curve and know who to look for when watching college games. What I wanna know from the GMB college guru's is who are some players to keep an eye on this season?? Id like us to go OT or DT in the 1st 2 rounds

tuck&rolle
09-02-2012, 01:53 PM
Did anyone catch the Alabama-Michigan game last night? Not really a good game, but 'Bama CB Dee Milliner really stood out to me. His performance last night was dominant.

I also can see that the hype over T/G/C Barrett Jones is justified. He looks like a first rounder.

Redeyejedi
09-02-2012, 02:05 PM
I cant believe how bad the 2011 Draft for this team looks right now. if it keeps up this path its going to set this franchise back. Prince has been very disappointing cant stay healthy. M Austin has been a disaster. Jernigan looks over matched. James Brewer has been awful.Greg Jones cut, Tyler Sash career special teamer, Williams has some upside could be a starter, Darel Scott shown glimpses would love for him to become the number 2 back in the future but its more unlikely then likely at this point.

BlueSanta
09-02-2012, 02:30 PM
I cant believe how bad the 2011 Draft for this team looks right now. if it keeps up this path its going to set this franchise back. Prince has been very disappointing cant stay healthy. M Austin has been a disaster. Jernigan looks over matched. James Brewer has been awful.Greg Jones cut, Tyler Sash career special teamer, Williams has some upside could be a starter, Darel Scott shown glimpses would love for him to become the number 2 back in the future but its more unlikely then likely at this point.

I have to agree, for the most part. But it is still a bit too early to really judge. Prince and Austin could easily turn it around. JJ will have a harder time proving himself simply because of the guys ahead of him. Jones was beat out by Herzlich and was never ever going to make it as an OLB. I knew he was done the moment that came up.

The 1 guy I think who really stands a chance to prove us wrong though is Williams. People still dont seem to be giving him enough credit for his year last year. Just on a stat basis, Williams was perhaps the 2nd best defensive rookie in the NFL last year. He was also 1 of the most productive rookie LBs in franchise history. His stats were far better than many players around the league you have heard of and who played a LOT more snaps than he did.

And that is the kicker, if this class goes on to do NOTHING except for Williams and Herzlich( I know not drafted but still 2011), and they go on to grow on their rookie years, people will remember this class fondly. That is how much Giants fans love their linebackers.

nycsportzfan
09-02-2012, 09:23 PM
I have to agree, for the most part. But it is still a bit too early to really judge. Prince and Austin could easily turn it around. JJ will have a harder time proving himself simply because of the guys ahead of him. Jones was beat out by Herzlich and was never ever going to make it as an OLB. I knew he was done the moment that came up.

The 1 guy I think who really stands a chance to prove us wrong though is Williams. People still dont seem to be giving him enough credit for his year last year. Just on a stat basis, Williams was perhaps the 2nd best defensive rookie in the NFL last year. He was also 1 of the most productive rookie LBs in franchise history. His stats were far better than many players around the league you have heard of and who played a LOT more snaps than he did.

And that is the kicker, if this class goes on to do NOTHING except for Williams and Herzlich( I know not drafted but still 2011), and they go on to grow on their rookie years, people will remember this class fondly. That is how much Giants fans love their linebackers. i gotta agree, its a bit to early.. I clump up the UDF's with the draft as well, which as u mentioned includes Mark Herzlich, and then u got Jaquian Williams and Darel Scott who are both helpful parts of the team at the end fo the draft, which pretty much makes us only need 1or2 outta Prince, Marvin, and Jerrell to pan out for a solid draft.. I think Prince will be fine once he gets healthy for a solid stretch.. Austin and Jerrnigan sitll have there upside which sometimes takes time to fulfill..

Either way, were freaking loaded in my humble opinion... I love this team!

nycsportzfan
09-02-2012, 09:31 PM
Right now i'm hoping for Barrett Jones or Kawaan Short in RD 1... Barrett is a guy i gurantee Reese covets becasue of his versatility.. And Kawaan paired with Linval is a absoulute dream DT duo... Kenny Vaccaro is the guy i want in the 2nd rd.. If i had to go very early 3rd mock , it'd be something likke this.

1. Barrett Jones G/C/T Bama or Kawaan Short DT Purdue
2. Kenny Vaccaro SS Texas
3. Micah Hyde CB Iowa or Dion Sims TE Michigan St(i loved how good he loooked blocking and catching against boise. Only redshirt jr though..)

BlueSanta
09-03-2012, 12:40 AM
Right now i'm hoping for Barrett Jones or Kawaan Short in RD 1... Barrett is a guy i gurantee Reese covets becasue of his versatility.. And Kawaan paired with Linval is a absoulute dream DT duo... Kenny Vaccaro is the guy i want in the 2nd rd.. If i had to go very early 3rd mock , it'd be something likke this.

1. Barrett Jones G/C/T Bama or Kawaan Short DT Purdue
2. Kenny Vaccaro SS Texas
3. Micah Hyde CB Iowa or Dion Sims TE Michigan St(i loved how good he loooked blocking and catching against boise. Only redshirt jr though..)

In a way I have to kind of NOT want this to happen. I say this because Jones will be an early selection. So we would have to suck to get him.

nycsportzfan
09-03-2012, 02:49 AM
In a way I have to kind of NOT want this to happen. I say this because Jones will be an early selection. So we would have to suck to get him. Well, we could always trade up some.. I seen Jones go at like pick 23 or so in a few mocks.. Possibly trade a future early rder with like a 4th or something to move up 5-7 slots? Also, thats why i put Kawaan Short down, just in case Jones is off the board which is obviously a possiblity..

Redeyejedi
09-03-2012, 09:50 AM
i gotta agree, its a bit to early.. I clump up the UDF's with the draft as well, which as u mentioned includes Mark Herzlich, and then u got Jaquian Williams and Darel Scott who are both helpful parts of the team at the end fo the draft, which pretty much makes us only need 1or2 outta Prince, Marvin, and Jerrell to pan out for a solid draft.. I think Prince will be fine once he gets healthy for a solid stretch.. Austin and Jerrnigan sitll have there upside which sometimes takes time to fulfill..

Either way, were freaking loaded in my humble opinion... I love this team!Dont get me wrong I like Jacquain Williams a lot. I want him on the field. 2 me he has been the best rookie they had. With RIvers and Boley here , his injuries who knows how many snaps he will get this season

juice33s
09-03-2012, 04:58 PM
Dont get me wrong I like Jacquain Williams a lot. I want him on the field. 2 me he has been the best rookie they had. With RIvers and Boley here , his injuries who knows how many snaps he will get this season
Maybe not alot this season, but Jwill is our future ate weakside. RIvers will be FA after the season and Boley may become a cap casualty with all the guys in need of a new contract (JPP, Nicks, Cruz, Phillips)

nycsportzfan
09-04-2012, 10:44 AM
Maybe not alot this season, but Jwill is our future ate weakside. RIvers will be FA after the season and Boley may become a cap casualty with all the guys in need of a new contract (JPP, Nicks, Cruz, Phillips) If Rivers plays well, we'll most certainly re-sign him, i believe.. As u said, Boley could become cap casualty, and we don't know how long Chase Blackburn will play at a high caliber, and theres a few young playrs that could be really good, but also could end up flaming out and not living up to the potential they showed.. Therefore i think Rivers will be a gurantee re-sign as long as he plays well..

penguinfarmer
09-04-2012, 10:45 PM
I think Canty first and foremost is on track to be a cap casualty. Probably one good reason why he has never restructured, even though there is room for him to do so.

nycsportzfan
09-05-2012, 10:41 AM
what is with all this crazy spamming on these boards?

BlueSanta
09-05-2012, 01:15 PM
what is with all this crazy spamming on these boards?

the mods do well cleaning it all up, but I agree this is very annoying. Especially for those of us who get on early in the morning. It is impossible to sort through some of these threads.

nycsportzfan
09-06-2012, 07:06 AM
well after one game, Wilson(who has grown on me), has not made me think Cordy Glenn wasen't the way to go.. Neither has the Oline for that matter..lol I thought the value was with Cordy Glenn, and hes getting rave reviews in buffalo and Wilson looked bad and fumbled what could of ended up being a TD drive which would of had us tied at end of regulation..

Again, its only one game and hes really grown on me, but that was one debut that was pretty horrendus, and it don't help that our Oline was pathetic and Cordy Glenn has all ready Won a starting job and is getting rave review after rave review for his athletic ability, technique, and versatility, not to mention power..

nycsportzfan
09-06-2012, 07:16 AM
These are 2mocks i'm feeling after last nights debacle.. Huge focus on Oline and Secondary with a Safety being a big emphasis..
1. Barrett Jones G/C/T Bama
2. Jonathan Cooper G UNC
3. Baccari Rambo S Georgia
4. Desmond Trufant CB Washington

1. Ricky Wagner OT Wisconsin
2. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
3. Omergerie Uzzi G Ga Tech
4. Rod Sweeting CB Ga Tech


Kawaan Short would possilby make me go DT if hes on board..

Redeyejedi
09-06-2012, 12:20 PM
These are 2mocks i'm feeling after last nights debacle.. Huge focus on Oline and Secondary with a Safety being a big emphasis..
1. Barrett Jones G/C/T Bama
2. Jonathan Cooper G UNC
3. Baccari Rambo S Georgia
4. Desmond Trufant CB Washington

1. Ricky Wagner OT Wisconsin
2. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
3. Omergerie Uzzi G Ga Tech
4. Rod Sweeting CB Ga Tech


Kawaan Short would possilby make me go DT if hes on board..your pineman r nfl ready.no more projects.even the guys they liked solder and ijalana werent ready

Kase-1
09-06-2012, 02:35 PM
These are 2mocks i'm feeling after last nights debacle.. Huge focus on Oline and Secondary with a Safety being a big emphasis..
1. Barrett Jones G/C/T Bama
2. Jonathan Cooper G UNC
3. Baccari Rambo S Georgia
4. Desmond Trufant CB Washington

1. Ricky Wagner OT Wisconsin
2. Kenny Vaccaro S Texas
3. Omergerie Uzzi G Ga Tech
4. Rod Sweeting CB Ga Tech


Kawaan Short would possilby make me go DT if hes on board..We def need to look more so at OT than OG, we're TERRIBLE at sealing the edge.

Who are a few good OL that we could see in the 2nd half of the draft or maybe in the 2nd round???

Oh I saw that guy Barrett Jones play and damn he looks nice

nycsportzfan
09-06-2012, 04:18 PM
your pineman r nfl ready.no more projects.even the guys they liked solder and ijalana werent ready Ya, we need ready to plug in Olineman.. I'm thinking its possible to do what Jacksonville did that one yr when they went Eugene Monroe and followed that up with Ebben Britton in next rd.. I'd have no problem with them doing something like that.. Ricky Wagner has NYG written all over him.. Barrett Jones would make me most happy though.. If we have a good yr, and pick in the say 25-32 range, i'd have no issue trading up for Barrett Jones.. The guy is a beast!!!! I

Theres a C sleeper i absoulutly love from Illinois as well.. And i think hes got enough size and what not to play G as well.. Graham Pocic is his name.. Dude can flat out play! I am all about the lineman and safteies this yr...

nycsportzfan
09-06-2012, 04:24 PM
We def need to look more so at OT than OG, we're TERRIBLE at sealing the edge.

Who are a few good OL that we could see in the 2nd half of the draft or maybe in the 2nd round???

Oh I saw that guy Barrett Jones play and damn he looks nice Well, one guy i love as i mentioned in my last post is Graham Pocic C Illinois.. Hes listed at 6ft 5in 310lbs, which is plenty big enough for G as well... He was also a pretty big time recruit getting scholarship offers from Florida, Michigan, and Penn St as well as Illinois, which is home area, hence why he is there.."

Heres alittle bit of info on him from CBS SPORTS..

"Pocic is physically strong and aggressive with the grit to finish through the whistle and tough-out the battles in the trenches. With several talented interior defensive linemen coming from Big Ten programs the past few years, including his own teammates, Pocic has been routinely tested as the rock of the Illinois line. Although not likely to be a Day 1 or 2 pick like the first four prospects on this list, Pocic currently projects as a mid-to-late round player and a borderline top-five senior at his position.


--Dane Brugler

nycsportzfan
09-06-2012, 04:27 PM
Another few OT's and Lineman i like for the back half of the draft, are Tanner Hawkinson OT Kansas, David Quessenberry OT San Jose St, and Xavier Nixon OT Florida..

Imgrate
09-06-2012, 06:23 PM
well after one game, Wilson(who has grown on me), has not made me think Cordy Glenn wasen't the way to go.. Neither has the Oline for that matter..lol I thought the value was with Cordy Glenn, and hes getting rave reviews in buffalo and Wilson looked bad and fumbled what could of ended up being a TD drive which would of had us tied at end of regulation..Again, its only one game and hes really grown on me, but that was one debut that was pretty horrendus, and it don't help that our Oline was pathetic and Cordy Glenn has all ready Won a starting job and is getting rave review after rave review for his athletic ability, technique, and versatility, not to mention power..Glenn is on a long list of players that I preferred over Wilson. Both now and at the time of the draft

nycsportzfan
09-06-2012, 10:50 PM
Glenn is on a long list of players that I preferred over Wilson. Both now and at the time of the draft I would of loved Wilson, if we traded up to middle of 2nd rd for em or something.. I felt RD 1 was only for Trent Richardson and Doug Martin, personally... I also wanted Dwayne Allen in RD 2.. I heard hes killing it in Indy as well(making waves).. But Cordy Glenn was the guy that i felt was the best value when we seleted at pick 32.. I have a feeling were gonna get Ricky Wagner or Jake Matthews come April.. I would be estatic if we land Barrett Jones, or even Brennan Williams OT UNC... Jonathan Cooper G UNC would be at the top of my 2nd rd targets.. The only way i'm not going oline in rd 1, is if Kawaan Short DT Purdue is to much to pass up.. I do love me some Kaawan Short.. Hes a penetrating, play making, machine!

Again, a guy i covet in rd 3-5 is Graham Pocic C Illinois.. The more i learn, the more i like.. Shoot, i like em as much as Khaled Holmes..

Redeyejedi
09-07-2012, 09:29 AM
Ya, we need ready to plug in Olineman.. I'm thinking its possible to do what Jacksonville did that one yr when they went Eugene Monroe and followed that up with Ebben Britton in next rd.. I'd have no problem with them doing something like that.. Ricky Wagner has NYG written all over him.. Barrett Jones would make me most happy though.. If we have a good yr, and pick in the say 25-32 range, i'd have no issue trading up for Barrett Jones.. The guy is a beast!!!! I

Theres a C sleeper i absoulutly love from Illinois as well.. And i think hes got enough size and what not to play G as well.. Graham Pocic is his name.. Dude can flat out play! I am all about the lineman and safteies this yr... I bet Wagner could come in and be are best tackle Day 1.He is a RT I think but with are LT's I wouldnt rule it out. Former Basketball player , requisite size ,footwork could be cleaner,but comes from a program with phenomenal pedigree. I dont care what his splits say, I dont care what his arm length is , he is an NFL starter. I like Joekel a lot from Texas A&M as well. Not an elite athlete so the Giants probably wont want him. I really hope they stop with the upside guys on offense. Guys like Robinson who was a reach and is just a wasted roster space this season.

I was talking about how bad the Giants running game was on Twitter and some guy gave me the stats from the game. He was like they rushed for 4.6 yards per carry thats outstanding. Obviously he didnt watch the game. Without that draw to Bradshaw when they were down 14 points it was like 2,.5. They need to pass to run not run to pass. I still cant believe he ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down on the the goal line like that. If they spread out with 4 WR and ran a little pick play to free Barden its a TD, A slant to Cruz TD, The play calling down there was atrocious . I know people dont want to pull Eli off the field but his lack of athleticism in those situations really hurts the Giants with this Oline. If u had a mobile QB that u could move around it would do wonders for short yard situations

Redeyejedi
09-07-2012, 09:42 AM
I would of loved Wilson, if we traded up to middle of 2nd rd for em or something.. I felt RD 1 was only for Trent Richardson and Doug Martin, personally... I also wanted Dwayne Allen in RD 2.. I heard hes killing it in Indy as well(making waves).. But Cordy Glenn was the guy that i felt was the best value when we seleted at pick 32.. I have a feeling were gonna get Ricky Wagner or Jake Matthews come April.. I would be estatic if we land Barrett Jones, or even Brennan Williams OT UNC... Jonathan Cooper G UNC would be at the top of my 2nd rd targets.. The only way i'm not going oline in rd 1, is if Kawaan Short DT Purdue is to much to pass up.. I do love me some Kaawan Short.. Hes a penetrating, play making, machine!

Again, a guy i covet in rd 3-5 is Graham Pocic C Illinois.. The more i learn, the more i like.. Shoot, i like em as much as Khaled Holmes..Im still not sold Wilson will be an elite RB in the NFL. . He has great physical skill. Burst and balance is terrific but his instincts, his vision are not high pick worthy.

nycsportzfan
09-07-2012, 12:05 PM
I bet Wagner could come in and be are best tackle Day 1.He is a RT I think but with are LT's I wouldnt rule it out. Former Basketball player , requisite size ,footwork could be cleaner,but comes from a program with phenomenal pedigree. I dont care what his splits say, I dont care what his arm length is , he is an NFL starter. I like Joekel a lot from Texas A&M as well. Not an elite athlete so the Giants probably wont want him. I really hope they stop with the upside guys on offense. Guys like Robinson who was a reach and is just a wasted roster space this season.

I was talking about how bad the Giants running game was on Twitter and some guy gave me the stats from the game. He was like they rushed for 4.6 yards per carry thats outstanding. Obviously he didnt watch the game. Without that draw to Bradshaw when they were down 14 points it was like 2,.5. They need to pass to run not run to pass. I still cant believe he ran the ball on 1st and 2nd down on the the goal line like that. If they spread out with 4 WR and ran a little pick play to free Barden its a TD, A slant to Cruz TD, The play calling down there was atrocious . I know people dont want to pull Eli off the field but his lack of athleticism in those situations really hurts the Giants with this Oline. If u had a mobile QB that u could move around it would do wonders for short yard situations Fantastic post as usual redeye.. Ya, it seems almost elementery that Gilbride and Coughlin would know how this teams built which is to pass first and set up timely runs... As soon as we did that in the 2nd half, our offense was pretty darn good, and our YPC went upwards.. Obviously as u said, that dude who brought up the 4.6 is either stupid or didn't watch the game.. The pass is the only reason our run game got going..

I can't stress enough how annoying it is that 2guys paid millions of dollars to coach and are with this team every single day, don't see that.. I feel Coughlin is so stubborn and old school, he just can't let himself see that the NFL has changed, and that the GIANTS best 3weapons are ELI, NICKS, and CRUZ.. I mean, even the most depth we have is pretty much at WR.. Its also very silly ur not even getting guys like Barden on the field, and possibly Randle.. This team would be almost impossilbe to defend if they showed some empty backfield looks and put more 3wr sets in, and used shot gun a tad more..etc

Coughlin continues to say we gotta RUN better then last yr, but that is so contradictary, becuase we WON it all last yr!!!!lol Neither Bradshaw nor WIlson are Adrian Peterson or even Fred Jackson for that matter, as a RB that can not only take the pounding but give u 20carrys a week and be successful.. There both very talented but more as complementery weapons, and not guys u need to be 20carry a week guys.. There better as a Changeup to Roger Clemens best pitch, the fastball(which in this refrence, the fastball means nicks and cruz and co..)...lol

nycsportzfan
09-07-2012, 12:09 PM
mind u redeye, i'm not saying always go into empty backfields, 3wr sets, and shotgun, but more then they do... Also, lets get these rb's more involved in passing game.. Use a shovel pass here and there, and try a FB screen(that play would catch teams off guard), and get Wilson outside on a screen... Again, this team is built similar to NO, NE, and GB as far as there offense goes, which is a bunch of RB's sharing load, while the main emphasis is pass first, and use timely runs...

nycsportzfan
09-07-2012, 12:11 PM
Im still not sold Wilson will be an elite RB in the NFL. . He has great physical skill. Burst and balance is terrific but his instincts, his vision are not high pick worthy. Ya, definetly some things that worry me as well.. I think he'll be solid, but i thought the value was with Cordy Glenn, and that also filled a need.. Cordy GLenn is gonna be insane! Hes litteraly getting some of the best rave reviews i've seen for a rook this past pre-season...

nycsportzfan
09-07-2012, 12:12 PM
Oh ya, by the way, my man Kawaan Short DT Purdue, who everyone knows i freaking love, not only had a sack, but also 2blocked kicks in his first game.. Imagine him and JPP blocking Ex pts?

BlueSanta
09-07-2012, 03:05 PM
Oh ya, by the way, my man Kawaan Short DT Purdue, who everyone knows i freaking love, not only had a sack, but also 2blocked kicks in his first game.. Imagine him and JPP blocking Ex pts?

I did not see the game, so I am not commenting here I am just passing on someone else's opinion but CBSsports did not care for his performance:

09/04/12 - BIG TEN: PLAYERS WHOSE NFL DRAFT STOCK IS FALLING: Kawann Short, Purdue: The senior defensive tackle who returned for his final year didn't have a stellar season-opening debut. Short had just one tackle (a sack) in the Boilermakers' 48-6 rout of Eastern Kentucky. At 6-3, 310-pounds, Short came into the season as one of the top tackles in the conference but he'll need to have a bigger impact against a far superior opponent. You can see him next: Purdue at Notre Dame, 3:30 p.m. ET (NBC). - Mike Singer, CBSSports.com

I am not sure I consider him a very good passrusher either. From what I have seen he is more of a strong run stuffer. I think the reason he came back was to work on his passrush technique. If he can solidy that part of his game he will be a monster.

nycsportzfan
09-07-2012, 05:36 PM
I did not see the game, so I am not commenting here I am just passing on someone else's opinion but CBSsports did not care for his performance:

09/04/12 - BIG TEN: PLAYERS WHOSE NFL DRAFT STOCK IS FALLING: Kawann Short, Purdue: The senior defensive tackle who returned for his final year didn't have a stellar season-opening debut. Short had just one tackle (a sack) in the Boilermakers' 48-6 rout of Eastern Kentucky. At 6-3, 310-pounds, Short came into the season as one of the top tackles in the conference but he'll need to have a bigger impact against a far superior opponent. You can see him next: Purdue at Notre Dame, 3:30 p.m. ET (NBC). - Mike Singer, CBSSports.com

I am not sure I consider him a very good passrusher either. From what I have seen he is more of a strong run stuffer. I think the reason he came back was to work on his passrush technique. If he can solidy that part of his game he will be a monster. This is off Walts site, and i would certainly question a article that dosen't mention not 1 but 2blocked kicks in the same game, don't u think? Also, they won 48-6 for godsake.. I would have to wonder how much he was on the field in the 2nd half of that one... As far as pass rusher, he had 6sacks and 6.5 sacks the past 2yrs to go along with like 29.5 TFL, and started this yr with a sack and 2blocked kicks.. I think hes got like 4or5 blocked kicks for his career as well now.. Don't know what else hes gotta do?

Top-25 Prospects:


Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. Previous Rank: 18
9/7/12: Short had an impressive start to his senior season with a sack and two blocked kicks. Short will have a nice battle this week against Notre Dame.

8/9/12: Short totaled 54 tackles with 17 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks and one forced fumble in 2011. He was quiet in the early going, but really played well in the the second half of the season. The 6-foot-4, 310-pounder is a quick gap-shooting tackle who looks like a natural three-technique defensive tackle for a 4-3 defense.

Short benefited greatly from Ryan Kerrigan in his first two years. Short recorded six sacks and 12.5 tackles for a loss next to Kerrigan in 2010. Short also had 41 tackles with two blocked kicks.

The senior is strong and athletic. Purdue does an excellent job of producing quality NFL defensive linemen, and Short appears to be the next in line

BlueSanta
09-07-2012, 08:43 PM
This is off Walts site, and i would certainly question a article that dosen't mention not 1 but 2blocked kicks in the same game, don't u think? Also, they won 48-6 for godsake.. I would have to wonder how much he was on the field in the 2nd half of that one... As far as pass rusher, he had 6sacks and 6.5 sacks the past 2yrs to go along with like 29.5 TFL, and started this yr with a sack and 2blocked kicks.. I think hes got like 4or5 blocked kicks for his career as well now.. Don't know what else hes gotta do?

Top-25 Prospects:


Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. Previous Rank: 18
9/7/12: Short had an impressive start to his senior season with a sack and two blocked kicks. Short will have a nice battle this week against Notre Dame.

8/9/12: Short totaled 54 tackles with 17 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks and one forced fumble in 2011. He was quiet in the early going, but really played well in the the second half of the season. The 6-foot-4, 310-pounder is a quick gap-shooting tackle who looks like a natural three-technique defensive tackle for a 4-3 defense.

Short benefited greatly from Ryan Kerrigan in his first two years. Short recorded six sacks and 12.5 tackles for a loss next to Kerrigan in 2010. Short also had 41 tackles with two blocked kicks.

The senior is strong and athletic. Purdue does an excellent job of producing quality NFL defensive linemen, and Short appears to be the next in line

Ya, I take your word on the game performance since I didnt see it. Although, I still think he has some proving to do in the pass rushing skills. He is very good at gap control for sure, and he plays the run superbly.

penguinfarmer
09-08-2012, 09:46 AM
6-6.5 sacks is actually not a bad number coming from the interior. Maybe you assume that number goes down when transitioning from the collegiate level to the pros. But I'm certain teams would happily take 6 sacks per 12 game seasons along with the ability to halt the run.

I like Short, but I thought of him as redundant on the line [unless the Giants really like the bigger stacked look we've had this season]. If I had to guess, I think they'd like to get more explosiveness at the 3 to replace Canty, but I wouldn't put it past Reese and Nunn to go heavy with both tackles, and simply utilize their pass rushers in other ways on known passing downs. I guess it's just how they wish to skin the cat.

nycsportzfan
09-09-2012, 12:37 PM
Ya, I take your word on the game performance since I didnt see it. Although, I still think he has some proving to do in the pass rushing skills. He is very good at gap control for sure, and he plays the run superbly. Add another 2sacks to Kawaan Shorts total.. He had 4tackles and 2sacks against ND yesterday.. So now through 2games, hes got 3sacks and 2blocked kicks.. Pass rushing is what he does...

nycsportzfan
09-09-2012, 12:39 PM
6-6.5 sacks is actually not a bad number coming from the interior. Maybe you assume that number goes down when transitioning from the collegiate level to the pros. But I'm certain teams would happily take 6 sacks per 12 game seasons along with the ability to halt the run.

I like Short, but I thought of him as redundant on the line [unless the Giants really like the bigger stacked look we've had this season]. If I had to guess, I think they'd like to get more explosiveness at the 3 to replace Canty, but I wouldn't put it past Reese and Nunn to go heavy with both tackles, and simply utilize their pass rushers in other ways on known passing downs. I guess it's just how they wish to skin the cat. well, not to mention u play less games in college then the pros.. As i said, he had a 2sack game yesterday as well.. I don't know how many TFL he has, but he now has 3sacks through 2games.. Mayock was giddy when talking about Kawaan Short yesterday.. He loves em..

BlueSanta
09-09-2012, 01:54 PM
well, not to mention u play less games in college then the pros.. As i said, he had a 2sack game yesterday as well.. I don't know how many TFL he has, but he now has 3sacks through 2games.. Mayock was giddy when talking about Kawaan Short yesterday.. He loves em..

I did get to see him yesterday. He looked very solid. I think his game yesterday was exactly what he needed too. 2 sacks vs solid competition.

BlueSanta
09-09-2012, 04:35 PM
Sitting here watching the Skins Saints game I gotta mention that I said months ago that Alfred Morris was 1 of the most underrated draft prospects. Here he is a 6th round pick for the skins and the starting RB looking very good.

nycsportzfan
09-09-2012, 10:26 PM
I did get to see him yesterday. He looked very solid. I think his game yesterday was exactly what he needed too. 2 sacks vs solid competition. Agreed... Hes a beast dude! Outside of the olineman, which to be honest, i see Jake Matthews and Ricky Wagner some yesterday(they plaeyd same time), and i'm thinking Kawaan Short as of right now over all 3, if they were all on the board at the same time.. I wasen't overly impressed with either tackle.. Obviously Barrett Jones would still be my dream scenario.. He looked flawless at Center..

nycsportzfan
09-09-2012, 10:28 PM
Doug Martin with a 24carry 95yrd 4catch 23yrd first game to his NFL career.. Thats what i mean when i was saying a guy who can shoulder a full load with that body type very similar to Ray Rice and MJD.. His bodys built to take punishment and he has no weakness to his game what so ever.. Not that he was great YPC wise, but overall he really played well and has easily solitifyed his self as the guy in TB, right away.. Big diffrence between David Wilsons debut and Doug Martins.. Super early still of coure..

nycsportzfan
09-09-2012, 10:32 PM
Some of the worst play calling i've ever seen in Seattle game.. They got first and goal from the 4 and they have Russell wilson under center and doing qucik 2step drop and throw fades.. Extremely hard to complete and not exactly what Russell WIlsons fortay is.. All u had to do was a playaction bootleg and get Russell Wilson rolling out and either a TE or FB possibly would be wideopen and gives u a chacne to let WIlson use his feet.. Its a play u just must try in that situation.. If not at least get Wilson in the shotgun and let him have as much time as possible.. Hes the type of player u want to draw a play out as hes got great poise and improvatzation skills.. Just having quick 2step drop launch a fade to corner of the endzone with man coverege is 50/50 chance.. Both plays were extemely hard to execute...

BlueSanta
09-09-2012, 11:16 PM
Doug Martin with a 24carry 95yrd 4catch 23yrd first game to his NFL career.. Thats what i mean when i was saying a guy who can shoulder a full load with that body type very similar to Ray Rice and MJD.. His bodys built to take punishment and he has no weakness to his game what so ever.. Not that he was great YPC wise, but overall he really played well and has easily solitifyed his self as the guy in TB, right away.. Big diffrence between David Wilsons debut and Doug Martins.. Super early still of coure..

He kinda did what was expected of him, but he also didnt do a lot more either. I do think Tampa is much improved this year over last but that largely because of their defense, which was outstanding today.

Martin was always expected to be the better back out of the gates, as he is more nfl ready but then again he is 2+ years older than Wilson.

I know scouts and stuff like to compare his "body type" to the guys you mentioned, but that is VERY misleading too. In fact, if you compare the height/weights of MJD and Ray Rice coming out of college, they are much closer to Wilson than Martin.

Just comparing apples to apples here are each players height/wieght/age at the time they were drafted:

Ray Rice was 5'8 195lbs at the combine(21 yrs old)
MJD was 5'7 206(21 years old)
David Wilson 5'9 206(20 years old)
Doug Martin 5'9 223(23 years old)

As you can see, David Wilson is a full 2+ years younger than Doug Martin. In 2010( when Doug was the same age David Wilson is right now) he was listed at 5'9 201 lbs.

So in reality if you compare each player at the same point of development, they are all remarkably similar. Martin just came out at an older age than any of the other guys. That is a good thing for his short term sucess, but might not be such a good thing at the end of his rookie contract when he finds more wear on his treads because he was a feature back and he will be 27/28 years old, which is kind of up there for a RB in the NFL.

I still think Wilson is a better long term prospect.

Also lets face it, the Bucs went with him as their starter out of necessity. Blount reportedly has a caloric intake problem, questionable work ethic and an affinity for the ice tub. The Giants have the luxury of a proven character guy in Bradshaw to lead DW and help him develope. So nobody expects DW to get the carries Martin will in this 1st season.

nycsportzfan
09-10-2012, 01:26 AM
He kinda did what was expected of him, but he also didnt do a lot more either. I do think Tampa is much improved this year over last but that largely because of their defense, which was outstanding today.

Martin was always expected to be the better back out of the gates, as he is more nfl ready but then again he is 2+ years older than Wilson.

I know scouts and stuff like to compare his "body type" to the guys you mentioned, but that is VERY misleading too. In fact, if you compare the height/weights of MJD and Ray Rice coming out of college, they are much closer to Wilson than Martin.

Just comparing apples to apples here are each players height/wieght/age at the time they were drafted:

Ray Rice was 5'8 195lbs at the combine(21 yrs old)
MJD was 5'7 206(21 years old)
David Wilson 5'9 206(20 years old)
Doug Martin 5'9 223(23 years old)

As you can see, David Wilson is a full 2+ years younger than Doug Martin. In 2010( when Doug was the same age David Wilson is right now) he was listed at 5'9 201 lbs.

So in reality if you compare each player at the same point of development, they are all remarkably similar. Martin just came out at an older age than any of the other guys. That is a good thing for his short term sucess, but might not be such a good thing at the end of his rookie contract when he finds more wear on his treads because he was a feature back and he will be 27/28 years old, which is kind of up there for a RB in the NFL.

I still think Wilson is a better long term prospect.

Also lets face it, the Bucs went with him as their starter out of necessity. Blount reportedly has a caloric intake problem, questionable work ethic and an affinity for the ice tub. The Giants have the luxury of a proven character guy in Bradshaw to lead DW and help him develope. So nobody expects DW to get the carries Martin will in this 1st season. 20lbs at that size is quite a diffrence.. And R.Rice and MJD are certainly more similar to Martin then Wilson, and i don't think that would be to much in disagrement, no matter who u speak to.. Doug Martin is a carry the load RB in the mold of MJD and Rice,a nd i don't think Wilson is that guy.. I think wilson will always need or have a guy(probably a bigger guy) that gets a decent chunk of carries..

Doug Martins a closer and grinder as well.. The dude put Carolina away with a 55yrd 3catch 2nd half... It was a close game, and when the bucs defense started to buckle some, Martin was the one they called upon, and he completely answered the bell, in only his 1st start of his NFL career.. I feel shoulder the load backs that have pretty much no weaknesses are the only kinda backs to be taken in RD 1... Wilson is gonna be a good back, but i don't know if hes gonna be a 1st rd type back.. We shall see, but this very early part of the NFL season, Doug Martin has played pretty much exactly how i expected.. He smoked through the bucs depth chart(he certainly did have to beat out Blount, who started 1st pre season game), and litteraly lead the bucs offense to a WIN today.. If they didn't have Doug Martin today, they simply don't win..

Martin had nearly half of TB's total yards today.. not bad for a Rookies first start of his career..

nycsportzfan
09-10-2012, 01:36 AM
also lets not forget, Martin plays in a offense that defenses can focus alot more of the run then u can against the giants.. Vince Jackson and Mike Williams are solid, and Josh Freeman is OK, but there no Cruz, Nicks, and Eli, thats for sure.. Martin Gained 55of his 95 yrds after contact today, and 58pct after contact last yr at Boise.. Thats the type of dude that wears down a defense right there.. Josh Freeman was crap in the 2nd half, and Carolina was bound to catch up to em if not for Doug Martin..



By the way, We got a David Wilson VS Doug Martin battle this week!!!lol Pretty Ironic, ey Santa man??? The giants should be better against the run this week, so Martin could be a tad more unproductive(hopefully much more unproductive)..lol

nycsportzfan
09-10-2012, 01:38 AM
Does Anyone know if Whitney Mercilus is injured? I didn't see him play or in the boxscore..

BlueSanta
09-10-2012, 07:26 AM
20lbs at that size is quite a diffrence.. And R.Rice and MJD are certainly more similar to Martin then Wilson, and i don't think that would be to much in disagrement, no matter who u speak to.
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I do not deny 20lbs is a difference. But you cannot ignore the 2.5 years he has in age over wilson which allowed him to add those pounds. Again, in 2010 when Martin was the same age as Wilson, he was SMALLER than Wilson is now.

Wilson is exactly in line with MJ and Ray Rice's size when they came out. You just cannot argue facts.

BlueSanta
09-10-2012, 07:28 AM
By the way, We got a David Wilson VS Doug Martin battle this week!!!lol Pretty Ironic, ey Santa man??? The giants should be better against the run this week, so Martin could be a tad more unproductive(hopefully much more unproductive)..lol

I think people are going to be surprised how good the Bucs are, particularly on defense. They have young talent all over that roster. They just have a crap QB

Redeyejedi
09-10-2012, 09:51 AM
Does Anyone know if Whitney Mercilus is injured? I didn't see him play or in the boxscore..From what I heard from Texans fans he ditn play well. He didnt cause much pressure either. He is also was lining up across from Jake Long which is not an easy task for a rookie playing his first game

nycsportzfan
09-10-2012, 10:44 AM
From what I heard from Texans fans he ditn play well. He didnt cause much pressure either. He is also was lining up across from Jake Long which is not an easy task for a rookie playing his first game Well that and hes not starting as hes behind Connor Barwin as well.. Where can u find how many Snaps a player was on the field for? Mercilus was pretty stout in Preseason...

nycsportzfan
09-10-2012, 10:48 AM
I do not deny 20lbs is a difference. But you cannot ignore the 2.5 years he has in age over wilson which allowed him to add those pounds. Again, in 2010 when Martin was the same age as Wilson, he was SMALLER than Wilson is now.

Wilson is exactly in line with MJ and Ray Rice's size when they came out. You just cannot argue facts. Thats fine but for the next 2.5 yrs Wilsons gonna be getting his smaller frame pounded on by big massive pro athletes.. There is no more 212lb LB's and what not that are trying to tackle him.. So i feel it all kinda evens itself out in the end, all though i pretty much don't know the future so i don't know what Wilson will be at Weight wise in 2yrs.. Guys like Knowshon Moreno weigh pretty much the exact same as he did 4yrs ago..

nycsportzfan
09-10-2012, 10:52 AM
Right now, who is ur dream scenario being realistic for RD 1 of this yrs draft? Everyone knows as of now mine is clearly Barrett Jones as he can play every positon and is good at all of em.. Kaawan Short would be my 2nd on my possibles.. My top 5 right now would probably be like this..

1. Barrett Jones G/C/T Bama
2. Kawaan Short DT Purdue
3. D.J Fluker OT Bama(dude is a beast!)
4. Tyler Eifert TE ND
5. Brennan Williams OT UNC

Redeyejedi
09-10-2012, 11:17 AM
Right now, who is ur dream scenario being realistic for RD 1 of this yrs draft? Everyone knows as of now mine is clearly Barrett Jones as he can play every positon and is good at all of em.. Kaawan Short would be my 2nd on my possibles.. My top 5 right now would probably be like this..

1. Barrett Jones G/C/T Bama
2. Kawaan Short DT Purdue
3. D.J Fluker OT Bama(dude is a beast!)
4. Tyler Eifert TE ND
5. Brennan Williams OT UNC First glance I thought this was your mock draft I was like man this is seriously unrealistic

Redeyejedi
09-10-2012, 11:18 AM
This is off Walts site, and i would certainly question a article that dosen't mention not 1 but 2blocked kicks in the same game, don't u think? Also, they won 48-6 for godsake.. I would have to wonder how much he was on the field in the 2nd half of that one... As far as pass rusher, he had 6sacks and 6.5 sacks the past 2yrs to go along with like 29.5 TFL, and started this yr with a sack and 2blocked kicks.. I think hes got like 4or5 blocked kicks for his career as well now.. Don't know what else hes gotta do?

Top-25 Prospects:


Kawann Short, DT, Purdue. Previous Rank: 18
9/7/12: Short had an impressive start to his senior season with a sack and two blocked kicks. Short will have a nice battle this week against Notre Dame.

8/9/12: Short totaled 54 tackles with 17 tackles for a loss, 6.5 sacks and one forced fumble in 2011. He was quiet in the early going, but really played well in the the second half of the season. The 6-foot-4, 310-pounder is a quick gap-shooting tackle who looks like a natural three-technique defensive tackle for a 4-3 defense.

Short benefited greatly from Ryan Kerrigan in his first two years. Short recorded six sacks and 12.5 tackles for a loss next to Kerrigan in 2010. Short also had 41 tackles with two blocked kicks.

The senior is strong and athletic. Purdue does an excellent job of producing quality NFL defensive linemen, and Short appears to be the next in lineDidnt see the ND game but I downloaded it planning on cutting it up

nycsportzfan
09-10-2012, 08:40 PM
Didnt see the ND game but I downloaded it planning on cutting it up All game, u pretty much here about not only Kawaan Short but the purdue defensive line in general... Mayock likes Kawaan short alot...

nycsportzfan
09-10-2012, 08:40 PM
First glance I thought this was your mock draft I was like man this is seriously unrealistic Ya, not so much..lol Anyhow, whos ur top 5 big board for GMEN right now?

nycsportzfan
09-12-2012, 02:10 PM
ANd here is the latest STOCK UP on waltfootball, and Kawaan Short is on it yet again.. To be honest i never really believed he'd be there in the late 20's, where i hope hte giants to be picking, but thats where alot had em going, so i've continued to put em on my top 5 hopefuls.. The guys just special, and i've known that since last yr.. There is no way he dosen't go in the top 20-22picks...

Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
Short is one of the best interior pass-rushers in college football. He recorded 12.5 sacks overthe past two seasons and is off to a great start to produce his biggest single-season sack total.

The senior ended the Irish's first drive of the game by shedding center Braxston Cave with a swim move and sacking quarterback Everett Golson. Short forced a fumble in the third quarter when he flew in the air on top of a running back and punched the ball out. The official scorer somehow managed to screw up, failing to credit Short for the forced fumble. He then beat Mike Golic, Jr. for a sack in the fourth quarter. Short smacked down Golic's hands and exploded past him to chase down Golson for his second sack.

Short has the makings of a special interior pass-rusher in the NFL. It would be great if he could add a rip move to his arsenal of speed and shed rushes. The senior has an excellent ability to use his hands and feet at the same time. Purdue rotated Short in and out of the game, so he may need to improve his conditioning to play more snaps.

Short has totaled five tackles with three sacks and two blocked kicks in just two games this year. He looks on his way to being a first-round pick and could crack the top 20.

BlueSanta
09-12-2012, 06:27 PM
ANd here is the latest STOCK UP on waltfootball, and Kawaan Short is on it yet again.. To be honest i never really believed he'd be there in the late 20's, where i hope hte giants to be picking, but thats where alot had em going, so i've continued to put em on my top 5 hopefuls.. The guys just special, and i've known that since last yr.. There is no way he dosen't go in the top 20-22picks...

Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
Short is one of the best interior pass-rushers in college football. He recorded 12.5 sacks overthe past two seasons and is off to a great start to produce his biggest single-season sack total.

The senior ended the Irish's first drive of the game by shedding center Braxston Cave with a swim move and sacking quarterback Everett Golson. Short forced a fumble in the third quarter when he flew in the air on top of a running back and punched the ball out. The official scorer somehow managed to screw up, failing to credit Short for the forced fumble. He then beat Mike Golic, Jr. for a sack in the fourth quarter. Short smacked down Golic's hands and exploded past him to chase down Golson for his second sack.

Short has the makings of a special interior pass-rusher in the NFL. It would be great if he could add a rip move to his arsenal of speed and shed rushes. The senior has an excellent ability to use his hands and feet at the same time. Purdue rotated Short in and out of the game, so he may need to improve his conditioning to play more snaps.

Short has totaled five tackles with three sacks and two blocked kicks in just two games this year. He looks on his way to being a first-round pick and could crack the top 20.

The knock on him going into this year was his passrush ability. Reportedly, that was the question mark that caused the drop in his grade from the draft advisory board last year.

Apparently, he has taken it as a personal goal to show that board they made a mistake. So far, he has been as good vs the pass as he always has been vs the run.

nycsportzfan
09-13-2012, 08:44 PM
The knock on him going into this year was his passrush ability. Reportedly, that was the question mark that caused the drop in his grade from the draft advisory board last year.

Apparently, he has taken it as a personal goal to show that board they made a mistake. So far, he has been as good vs the pass as he always has been vs the run. I always heard and seen his pass rush as a huge advantage and the best part about his game... I've seen about 5scouting reports and the 1st thing they mention is a Penetrating playmaker... Like i said, 12.5 sacks the past 2yrs is pretty good from a DT.. 3 2start this yr..

nycsportzfan
09-13-2012, 08:45 PM
Rutgers is a embaressment.. 4penalties in the first like 4minutes.. The coach is pathetic! A huge reflection on him, who was a Oline coach for yrs...

Redeyejedi
09-13-2012, 10:13 PM
Rutgers is a embaressment.. 4penalties in the first like 4minutes.. The coach is pathetic! A huge reflection on him, who was a Oline coach for yrs... Nova is terrible

Redeyejedi
09-13-2012, 10:40 PM
Cant believe Brandon Coleman dropped that. Nova has been throwing uncatchable balls to him all night. He finally gets 1 to catch and he drops it

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 12:33 AM
Cant believe Brandon Coleman dropped that. Nova has been throwing uncatchable balls to him all night. He finally gets 1 to catch and he drops it Rutgers turned it around butthey aren't beating anyone worth a snot.. Nevada massacred S.FLA last wk, and BJ Daniels has never developed into anything special...

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 12:35 AM
Man, i just heard the funniest thing ever on the NFL game.. Clay Matthews recorded his 4th sacks and the guy whos doing the game with Mayock goes like this.. " I think Clay Matthews is gonna be Defensive Player of the week unless someone has a better one then he did tonight"....LOL Really? lol

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 08:35 AM
Like i did last yr, i'm gonna do a mock after every game(some point during week after the game), picking in the area the giants are perdicted to pick at that time based on the record.. As of now, i'm gonna couple the loss with being the SB champs and take a guess that were in the 25-30range.. I'm gonna have as at 28 for this week.. The more weeks go by, it'll get more clear... For the first 3-5 weeks, i'm only gonna do 4or5 rds... I'll start doing 7rds as the college season goes along and more is figured out about the prospects.. So anyways, without further adu..lol

1. Chance Warmack G Alabama- It was outta warmack, fluker, wagner, okafor, byndom, and eifert for me here.. I love kawaan short but think he'll be gone by this time.. I chose a G over T because i think Warmack is a special player and Special player sare hard to come by very late in the 1st rd.. I do like Wagner alot, but i feel warmack is more of a sure thing(as far as sure things go..lol) A flat out road grader, warmack will really help our run game and to keep guys from rushing up the middle..

2. Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois- I really like this kid and hes got solid size and with the loss of TT for the yr, who knows what his deal is going forward and as of today, Prince is stilll a big question mark as is are overall depth.. Hawthorne combines solid size/speed combo with good ball skills..He was tied for the BIG 10 lead in Passes Defended per game in 2011... He hasen't made a huge splash yet this yr, but the kid can ball..

3. Devin Taylor DE S.Carolina- He might be gone before end of rd 3, but if hes there, id take a shot on all that potential. And with the loss of Osi most likely after this season, DE could be a need..

4. Graham Pocic C Illinois- LOVE EM! Just freaking LOVE EM! Gritty hard nose kid with Tackle size who i think will eventually work his way into the 3rd rd range.. Adding 2olineman in the first 4rds is probably a good idea..

5. AJ Klein ILB Iowa St- Playmaking Thumper in the middle.. A leader for the cyclones, and could come in and push Herzlich and possibly replace Blackburn.. Either way, we could use someone at MLB that challenges both of those guys, or take one of there spots if there not retained after the yr...

Redeyejedi
09-14-2012, 09:13 AM
Some think Hawthorne will be a first rounder. Not sure about that yet round 2 seems more likely. it will depend on which underclassmen come out. Illinois has some nice NFL talent but arent that good of a team. Weird how that works out some times. Giants are going to have to take the best Olineman they can get. At this point where they play doesnt matter. U can argue that all 5 spots could use an upgrade. Could Chris Snee get cut? His cap number is almost 8 million next season. He has declined rather quickly. He is Coughlins son in law which complicates things. Giants need help on the line and 8 million can fetch a really good Offensive lineman. Dallas Thomas from Tennessee would be fantastic. His ability to play LT or LG would upgrade this team immediatly. Barret Jones is another guy that can play multiple spots.

By the way have u been banned. They have banned me twice this week. I keep getting caught up in there spam bannings

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 03:30 PM
Some think Hawthorne will be a first rounder. Not sure about that yet round 2 seems more likely. it will depend on which underclassmen come out. Illinois has some nice NFL talent but arent that good of a team. Weird how that works out some times. Giants are going to have to take the best Olineman they can get. At this point where they play doesnt matter. U can argue that all 5 spots could use an upgrade. Could Chris Snee get cut? His cap number is almost 8 million next season. He has declined rather quickly. He is Coughlins son in law which complicates things. Giants need help on the line and 8 million can fetch a really good Offensive lineman. Dallas Thomas from Tennessee would be fantastic. His ability to play LT or LG would upgrade this team immediatly. Barret Jones is another guy that can play multiple spots.

By the way have u been banned. They have banned me twice this week. I keep getting caught up in there spam bannings Ya, i like Dallas Thomas alot as well.. Barrett Jones is my dream pick, even ahead of Kawaan Short.. As u know, my mocks aren't just the guys i want most becuase i try to do em realistaclly, and i dont see Kawaan or Barrett being on the board where i have this mock taking place which is 28th overall.. Ur right about some teams having alot of talent that aren't good teams being weird.. The reason is that those teams are so weak at other positons, that it isn't enough for them to have 5 really good players overall.. As far as illinois goes, they don't have a QB.. Sheelhouse or whatever his name is, is kinda terrible.. Plus they lost Tavon Wilson, Whitney Mercilus, and A.J Jenkins...


And no, i haven't been banned.. What do the mods keep killing ur account becuase its right in the mix of the spammers? If so, the Mods need to be more careful.. I've actually reported spammers about 10times all ready.. Just trying to do my part..

2things i really dislike about these new boards are the fact theres a ton of spam and that there isn't a forum for posts ur involed in.. U have to look all over for the posts u are involved in, to check if u have responses.. Its just not as personal... Theres always like a gazillion threads going on...

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 03:33 PM
Hey Redeye, how much do u like Brennan Williams? Also, whats ur take on Kevin Red****? Is Red**** worth a 2nd rd pick?

Redeyejedi
09-14-2012, 04:26 PM
Has anyone seen Travis Johnson of San Jose state. I have 1 of his games from last year and he had 4 sacks. I saw he had 6 TFL against UC davis last week cant find the game anywhere.

BlueSanta
09-14-2012, 04:37 PM
Like i did last yr, i'm gonna do a mock after every game(some point during week after the game), picking in the area the giants are perdicted to pick at that time based on the record.. As of now, i'm gonna couple the loss with being the SB champs and take a guess that were in the 25-30range.. I'm gonna have as at 28 for this week.. The more weeks go by, it'll get more clear... For the first 3-5 weeks, i'm only gonna do 4or5 rds... I'll start doing 7rds as the college season goes along and more is figured out about the prospects.. So anyways, without further adu..lol

1. Chance Warmack G Alabama- It was outta warmack, fluker, wagner, okafor, byndom, and eifert for me here.. I love kawaan short but think he'll be gone by this time.. I chose a G over T because i think Warmack is a special player and Special player sare hard to come by very late in the 1st rd.. I do like Wagner alot, but i feel warmack is more of a sure thing(as far as sure things go..lol) A flat out road grader, warmack will really help our run game and to keep guys from rushing up the middle..

2. Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois- I really like this kid and hes got solid size and with the loss of TT for the yr, who knows what his deal is going forward and as of today, Prince is stilll a big question mark as is are overall depth.. Hawthorne combines solid size/speed combo with good ball skills..He was tied for the BIG 10 lead in Passes Defended per game in 2011... He hasen't made a huge splash yet this yr, but the kid can ball..



Well, you know I like Warmack. I still think OT is a bigger need and a more likely 1st round selection as well. But, if you want to make improving your interior blocking a priority in the offseason, I cant think of a better guy than that.

As far as Hawthorne, I like his measurables a lot. He is a hustler, and a good character guy as far as I can see. In all those ways he is a "Reese type" guy. He is also very good closer to the ball and combined with his WR skills(he plays some wr occasionaly) he is a ball hawk. My 1 hesitation about him, which he can easily correct, is his man v man skills downfield. What I have seen of him looks good, but I want to see him vs top notch wrs in man coverage.

Luckily for us this is a good year for big CBs. Banks, Rhodes, and Amerson are all good prospects. I think Rhodes is the best fit for what we do here. He dominates WRs early in the route more than anyone in the draft. That is exactly what you want in a passrush oriented defense. However, I would not complain about any of those guys.

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 08:35 PM
Well, you know I like Warmack. I still think OT is a bigger need and a more likely 1st round selection as well. But, if you want to make improving your interior blocking a priority in the offseason, I cant think of a better guy than that.

As far as Hawthorne, I like his measurables a lot. He is a hustler, and a good character guy as far as I can see. In all those ways he is a "Reese type" guy. He is also very good closer to the ball and combined with his WR skills(he plays some wr occasionaly) he is a ball hawk. My 1 hesitation about him, which he can easily correct, is his man v man skills downfield. What I have seen of him looks good, but I want to see him vs top notch wrs in man coverage.

Luckily for us this is a good year for big CBs. Banks, Rhodes, and Amerson are all good prospects. I think Rhodes is the best fit for what we do here. He dominates WRs early in the route more than anyone in the draft. That is exactly what you want in a passrush oriented defense. However, I would not complain about any of those guys. Ya, i think Banks, Rhodes, and Amerson will all be gone in the first 23 picks.. THere extremely good.. I love Banks.. Hes probably my favorite CB in this yrs draft.. I think Rhodes ends up going before Amerson in this yrs draft.. Thats my upset or splash suggestion so far..lol Remember it here first, RHODES goes before AMERSON.. Hes insane!

As for my 1st pick, i'm completely sold on Warmack.. As much as i like Wagner, Wisconsins terrible this yr, and don't look anything like they did with Zeitler and and Peter Konz in the run game... I'm not saying Wagners doing bad because i haven't really delved into Wisconsin yet, but from what i have seen there Run game is alot weaker overall, which obviously has some to do with Russell WIlson being gone as well.. I'm jjust saying, Warmack is the real deal and at least is a Olineman, and is a positon of need with guys like Boothe, Diehl, eitehr aging or nto being long term solutions.. Also, u can't just pick Tackle because its what we need.. If theres a guy there whos better at a positon, and its still a positon of somehwat need, u take em.. We have FA'cy and also i'm more intrigued with Brewer and Mosley then i am with anything we have at G... Its kinda like Decastro last yr.. I feel Warmack is very special like Decastro was, and u dont' pass on special players..

Sorry if i'm all over right now, i just woke up from a nap..lol

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 08:39 PM
Has anyone seen Travis Johnson of San Jose state. I have 1 of his games from last year and he had 4 sacks. I saw he had 6 TFL against UC davis last week cant find the game anywhere. They got a OT i'm interested in as well.. I forget his first name, but his Last name is Quessneberry.. I wonder if hes related to the Miss St center from last yr?

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 08:48 PM
I know that we've been discussing players, but whos a handful of ur guys faves this yr? Not nessecarily talking about the top 10 type guys like Robert Woods and Barkley..etc More of the guys who are as of now perdicted in the mid to late 1st or beyond range??

U guys know most of mine all ready..

Kawaan Short DT Purdue
Kenny Vacarro S Texas
Barrett Jones C/G/T Bama
Jackson Jeffcoat DE Texas
Chance Warmack G Bama

nycsportzfan
09-14-2012, 08:51 PM
If i had a Honarble Mention, i'd throw Tyler Eifert TE ND, Khaseem Greene LB Rutgers, and Jonathan Banks CB Miss St.

BlueSanta
09-14-2012, 11:48 PM
Ya, i think Banks, Rhodes, and Amerson will all be gone in the first 23 picks.. THere extremely good.. I love Banks.. Hes probably my favorite CB in this yrs draft.. I think Rhodes ends up going before Amerson in this yrs draft.. Thats my upset or splash suggestion so far..lol Remember it here first, RHODES goes before AMERSON.. Hes insane!
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We agree on Warmack.

As to Rhodes, I think the world of him. I think his stats this year will suffer as teams will undoubtably avoid him. I think he will go early too. However, his knee injury last year, might scare away some teams and it is on that hope that I hang my hopes that he drops a little to us in the draft. In all of college footbal, at this moment, I cannot think of a player that had "Giants" written on him more. He is big, fast, physical, a very good tackler, and a hard worker. To be honest, there are about 5 guys on the FSU defense coming out this year that I think are solid NFL prospects. I also wouldnt mind their kicker.

nycsportzfan
09-15-2012, 06:59 AM
We agree on Warmack.

As to Rhodes, I think the world of him. I think his stats this year will suffer as teams will undoubtably avoid him. I think he will go early too. However, his knee injury last year, might scare away some teams and it is on that hope that I hang my hopes that he drops a little to us in the draft. In all of college footbal, at this moment, I cannot think of a player that had "Giants" written on him more. He is big, fast, physical, a very good tackler, and a hard worker. To be honest, there are about 5 guys on the FSU defense coming out this year that I think are solid NFL prospects. I also wouldnt mind their kicker.Ya, i dont think the knee will be much of a issue as long as he stays healthy and productive this entire season.. If he plays well all yr and shows no ill effects, then i don't think teams will worry to much..To be honest, he might be a top 10 pick in this yrs draft..The only way i see the giants getting him is if the giants have a pretty bad season and end up picking 15th or lower. Ur right, he has some giants traits about him.. I personally think Ricky Wagner has Giants written all over him.. He reminds me of a guy who would of fit right in with the Seubert, Diehl, McKenzie, Snee, and O'hara group.. He totally reminds me of a giant type olineman..

nycsportzfan
09-15-2012, 07:12 AM
Marquees Wilson was pretty insane last night.. I realize it was UNLV, but thats who he had to play and he did his thing... 5rec 110yrd 2td

Oh ya, Mike Leach is a freaking idiot! This guy litteraly kept UNLV in the game by throwing the ball up 8 when they could of basically just wore the clock down as UNLV only had 1 TO left at the time.. He did it twice if i remember correctly.. And then the idiot went for it on 4th and 4 at the 44yrd line instead of punting em inside the 20.. They didn't convert and before u know it UNLV had the ball with like 35seconds left and only down 8.. It made less then no sense.. Like i'd probably of fired the guy just for being dumb at that point..lol

nycsportzfan
09-15-2012, 01:13 PM
its amazing how some Centers snap the ball badly.. I mean, how do u snap a ball badly? The QB's like 4ft from the C at th emost...lol TCU was about to score on opening drive on 1st and goal there Moron Center snaps the ball at Pachall's ankles..lol I think i'd kick my center in the mouth if he did that..lol

nycsportzfan
09-15-2012, 01:15 PM
holy crap, the more i watch that botched snap, that Pachall could of jumped right on , the more it looks like he completely misses it on purpose..lol U gotta see it, to know what i mean..

BlueSanta
09-15-2012, 02:47 PM
Logan Thomas looks so bad this year. This VT offense is brutal to watch.

nycsportzfan
09-15-2012, 04:50 PM
Logan Thomas looks so bad this year. This VT offense is brutal to watch. ya, Va tech is terrible.. U gotta feel good for Ray Graham though.. Coming back as quick as he did and doing what hes doing is great.. Hes draftable, for sure..

nycsportzfan
09-15-2012, 04:52 PM
Deandre Hopkins is freaking awesome! I felt he kinda was overlooked by some on here, and hes making people realize that Watkins isn't the only stud wr at clemson.. Hopkins is gonna be a 2nd/3rd rder when said and done!

nycsportzfan
09-15-2012, 04:53 PM
Eddie Lacy is a man child!!! Chance Warmack is a freaking stud!!!!

nycsportzfan
09-15-2012, 04:55 PM
What do u guys think of Teddy Bridgewater? Hes a blast to watch play and has been good ever since his 1st start, and now i'm seeing guys having him int eh 1st rd of next yrs draft.. I think hes got the "it" factor and i believe in his skills... Another words, if i'm a GM, and need a QB, i'd take a shot on em in RD 1..

BlueSanta
09-15-2012, 05:13 PM
What do u guys think of Teddy Bridgewater? Hes a blast to watch play and has been good ever since his 1st start, and now i'm seeing guys having him int eh 1st rd of next yrs draft.. I think hes got the "it" factor and i believe in his skills... Another words, if i'm a GM, and need a QB, i'd take a shot on em in RD 1..

I like em. I like his quick throwing motion a lot.

*edit* I was thinking that he was a redshirt sophomore, I was incorrect. He is a true sophomore. He is not coming out this year and will actually have another full year in that pro style offense at Lville..

He will be a serious contender for the top draft pick in 2014. He has everything scouts like. He has a super quick throwing motion. He throws over 80% accuracy despite running a pro style stretch the field type offense and he appears to have no lack of arm strength.

I knew he was good, but I keep going back to that game to watch him.

BlueSanta
09-15-2012, 07:43 PM
I knew he was good, but I keep going back to that game to watch him.

And I am so glad I have been because this blowout has turned into an awesome game.

BlueSanta
09-16-2012, 01:03 AM
Some observations from today:

Matt Barkley is used to a nice comfy pocket where he can throw to his 10 ft tall WRs like it's a flag football game. Tonight, for the 1st time in a long time he got to see what it will be like to be on team that is losing the battle in the trenches. Assuming he goes early in the 1st round, this is what he can expect. He did not handle it well.

Geno Smith is the best offensive player in college football at this time. I am really going to look forward to seeing him vs Texas in a couple weeks.

Michigan State's defense looks very slow to me. I was looking forward to seeing William Gholston vs a quality offense in ND. He was very disapointing. He looked slow off the ball to me. He looked like he played too tall and was completely void of any quality passrush moves. If he doesnt develop some technique, I would not touch this kid in the draft. He lost contain multiple times on ND's 2nd Td scoring drive alone. He is an impressive physical specimen, I just dont know if he is a NFL 43 DE.

Stanford's Head Coach David Shaw is going to get a shot in the NFL in the coming years. On the flip side, USC is starting to regret hiring Lane Kiffin. I think he has 1 more year at most to make that team what it was supposed to be this year.

Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater, barring some injury, is going to be the star of the 2014 draft if he continues to grow. He can do it all.

Rat_bastich
09-16-2012, 02:23 AM
Also today Arkansas looked seriously undisciplined. They couldn't do anything and started to panic early. I know it was against Alabama but still anytime they even started to put something together they fell flat. Alabama's defensive unit and their O-line looks really solid. It was a men among boys thing for sure.

nycsportzfan
09-16-2012, 02:43 AM
Some observations from today:

Matt Barkley is used to a nice comfy pocket where he can throw to his 10 ft tall WRs like it's a flag football game. Tonight, for the 1st time in a long time he got to see what it will be like to be on team that is losing the battle in the trenches. Assuming he goes early in the 1st round, this is what he can expect. He did not handle it well.

Geno Smith is the best offensive player in college football at this time. I am really going to look forward to seeing him vs Texas in a couple weeks.

Michigan State's defense looks very slow to me. I was looking forward to seeing William Gholston vs a quality offense in ND. He was very disapointing. He looked slow off the ball to me. He looked like he played too tall and was completely void of any quality passrush moves. If he doesnt develop some technique, I would not touch this kid in the draft. He lost contain multiple times on ND's 2nd Td scoring drive alone. He is an impressive physical specimen, I just dont know if he is a NFL 43 DE.

Stanford's Head Coach David Shaw is going to get a shot in the NFL in the coming years. On the flip side, USC is starting to regret hiring Lane Kiffin. I think he has 1 more year at most to make that team what it was supposed to be this year.

Louisville QB Teddy Bridgewater, barring some injury, is going to be the star of the 2014 draft if he continues to grow. He can do it all. Awesome stuff! I'll add a few things to what i observed..

Manti Te'o is a freaking man beast! Hes gonna make some team very happy as a pro.. To do what he did with the heavy heart he was playing with today was flat out amazing!

Kawaan Short got another sack today and has at least 1 in every game so far..

Also, David Ash was insane today! He was flat out sensational! RUnning and throwing..

I also like Chance Warmack even more after today.. He was brilliant yet again.. That guys a road grader! He would be sensational on the interior of our oline..

nycsportzfan
09-16-2012, 02:50 AM
Its kinda funny the top 2 TE's that could possibly be in this yrs draft have last names starting with "e"..lol ALso, Zac Ertz is pretty darn close to as talented as Tyler Eifert.. Stefan Taylor should be a 2nd rd pick.. He has great burst through the holes and displays solid power as well as the ability to cut on a dime..

BlueSanta
09-16-2012, 03:08 AM
Manti Te'o is a freaking man beast! Hes gonna make some team very happy as a pro.. To do what he did with the heavy heart he was playing with today was flat out amazing!

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Yep, forgot to put him on my list but he was a stud today. I think 34 teams are going to be drooling over him, and that isnt to say he cant play in a 43 scheme either. I just think his value in a 34 is bigger.

nycsportzfan
09-16-2012, 03:52 AM
Yep, forgot to put him on my list but he was a stud today. I think 34 teams are going to be drooling over him, and that isnt to say he cant play in a 43 scheme either. I just think his value in a 34 is bigger. Ya, i think 3/4 would be best situation, but as u said, any scheme would probably get production outta Te'o.. Hes really blossomed since his freshman yr.. I'd say hes the MVP of that ND team.. There problems always been Defense, and there Defense's heartbeat is Te'o, making him the MVP of that team in my opinion..

Brian kelly can really coach.. Sure they got Te'o and a few other bigtime prospects, but they have been getting production from a freshman QB, and guys like Robby Toma Zeke Motta, and Jake Golic and Braxston Cave..etc A bunch of guys who are solid, gritty players, but not super athleteic high profiled guys.. Kelly is really coaching his butt off in south bend right now..

nycsportzfan
09-16-2012, 03:58 AM
Mark my words, u gotta remember the name Rushel Shell RB Pittsburgh.. Hes a highly touted Freshman who i see in his first college carries against cincy, and was very impressed with his power and ability to manuveur at his size.. Hes not gonna always shake u outta ur shoes, but he can move around well for a back his size.. I gotta feeling hes gonna be a sure first 1st rder if he stays healthy..

Redeyejedi
09-16-2012, 10:10 AM
Mark my words, u gotta remember the name Rushel Shell RB Pittsburgh.. Hes a highly touted Freshman who i see in his first college carries against cincy, and was very impressed with his power and ability to manuveur at his size.. Hes not gonna always shake u outta ur shoes, but he can move around well for a back his size.. I gotta feeling hes gonna be a sure first 1st rder if he stays healthy..
Impressed with Notre Dame that was a great win even though I think MSU is overrated,
I love Stanfords brand of Football. I love how they line up and just smack the crap out of teams on both sides of the ball. Not many teams do that in CFB

Redeyejedi
09-16-2012, 10:11 AM
What do u guys think of Teddy Bridgewater? Hes a blast to watch play and has been good ever since his 1st start, and now i'm seeing guys having him int eh 1st rd of next yrs draft.. I think hes got the "it" factor and i believe in his skills... Another words, if i'm a GM, and need a QB, i'd take a shot on em in RD 1.. Without a doubt a Top 5 QB prospect for next season

Redeyejedi
09-16-2012, 10:20 AM
Also today Arkansas looked seriously undisciplined. They couldn't do anything and started to panic early. I know it was against Alabama but still anytime they even started to put something together they fell flat. Alabama's defensive unit and their O-line looks really solid. It was a men among boys thing for sure.I think there is Alabama then LSU and then everyone else.

1. Alabama

2. LSU

3. FSU

4. Oregon

5. West Virginia

6. Oklahoma

7. Georgia

I would say the Top 6 teams have a chance at playing in the National Title game. It will be whoever wins Bama and LSU and if 1 of those other 4 teams can go undefeated. If they all lose we might see LSU Bama again. Which not a lot of people want to see but I believe are the 2 best teams




.

nycsportzfan
09-17-2012, 12:20 AM
not for nothing, but matthew stafford su-cks.. Also TItus Young is the biggest airhead in the world.. I've seen that dude make some just don't give a cr-ap about anyone but urself penalties and mistakes.. The lions Drafted way to many slugs.. Nd Suh, Fairley, Young, CHerilus, are all guys who just don't give u the effort and really dodn't put team first.. I feel bad for Pettigrew and Calvin Johnson, who always seem to be going full steam.. Have u ever seen someone lose his luster as fast as Nd Suh has? Hes a freaking headcase! Also they got a DB Jacob Lacey who would seriously challenge tryon as the worst CB in the world..


They always seem to shoot themselves in the foot.. There a depressing team to watch...

nycsportzfan
09-17-2012, 02:08 AM
Super early still but David Wilson again did nothing and got simply outclassed by former 4th rder Andre Brown and Doug Martin for that matter.. He dropped a super easy catchable ball and showed exactly the thing i disliked about him at Va Tech with the Dancing around thingst.. So far, Jayron Hosley looks like our best pick, which is what i said during the draft..

Wilson was really growing on me by preseasons end, but after 2games, he has done nothing to excite me and i feel even stronger about us should of taking Cordy Glenn, as i thought he was the value then with Doug Martin being off the board.. Adrien Robinson is completely non existent so far and Randle hasen't done anything outside ST's.. Hosley has looked very good, and i think hes gonna be our future starter..

Now i know its very early, and trust me, i hope Wilson , randle and Robinson all make me look bad with my judgements, but as of now, they haven't..

BlueSanta
09-17-2012, 04:47 AM
Super early still but David Wilson again did nothing and got simply outclassed by former 4th rder Andre Brown and Doug Martin for that matter.. \


Huh? Still way to early to say. TC has always been very slow to introduce rookies to the lineup, especially on offense.

But....

1 can hardly say Martin outclassed Wilson today since Wilson gained more yards in 2 kickoff returns than Martin did in all his 20 touches. Wilson gave us excellent field position.


I will say that thus far, Alfred Morris has been the best rookie RB in the NFL, a guy I had on my list of the 2 most underrated prospects coming out last year. I seem to remember posters arguing with me saying he we was likely going to be undrafted.

Imgrate
09-17-2012, 07:57 AM
Huh? Still way to early to say. TC has always been very slow to introduce rookies to the lineup, especially on offense.But....1 can hardly say Martin outclassed Wilson today since Wilson gained more yards in 2 kickoff returns than Martin did in all his 20 touches. Wilson gave us excellent field position. I will say that thus far, Alfred Morris has been the best rookie RB in the NFL, a guy I had on my list of the 2 most underrated prospects coming out last year. I seem to remember posters arguing with me saying he we was likely going to be undrafted.Guys like Andre brown and Alfred Morris are why you don't waste first round picks on running backs.