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slipknottin
11-20-2012, 04:56 PM
No way would they be undefeated without him. U know what bugs me, How good Geno Atkins is.I wish we had him instead that waste of roster space Marvin Austin.

I loved Atkins coming out. Really wanted him that draft. They took Phillip Dillard 5 picks before Atkins.

I really liked Chancellor (hit) and Owusu Ansah (miss) too in that same round.

My favorite player in that entire draft was Daryl Washington, made a thread about how the giants should take him in the first.

JPP worked out pretty well, and I cant complain about them taking Linval one pick before Washington either, I suppose.

teaneck
11-20-2012, 05:42 PM
I like the Giants taking Barrett Jones out of Bama with our first pick, he is a good sized OLman and he is smart enough to play at multiple positions which may be required. honestly if we dont take two linemen in this draft I wont be able to forgive JR

nycsportzfan
11-20-2012, 07:54 PM
No way would they be undefeated without him. U know what bugs me, How good Geno Atkins is.I wish we had him instead that waste of roster space Marvin Austin. Ya, i was a big Atkins fan myself, but also liked the Austin pick up.. I remember we had debated with that dude who was all "stphen paea" after we got Austin, in defense of the selection...lol Oh well, u can't get em all right, ey?

Imgrate
11-20-2012, 08:00 PM
I loved Atkins coming out. Really wanted him that draft. They took Phillip Dillard 5 picks before Atkins. I really liked Chancellor (hit) and Owusu Ansah (miss) too in that same round.My favorite player in that entire draft was Daryl Washington, made a thread about how the giants should take him in the first. JPP worked out pretty well, and I cant complain about them taking Linval one pick before Washington either, I suppose.I distinctly remember you saying that chancellor was an Aaron rouse clone. And no I don't mean aaron ross

nycsportzfan
11-20-2012, 08:01 PM
I cant really complain about the guys you have us selecting right now. Top 3 are good players. But I do not think this team has the luxury of waiting to select Olineman anymore. Literally all of our recent early draft picks are going nowhere till we shore up this oline.

It seems like Reese likes to get Onlinemen in free agency lately, and I would be fine with that. But until we do it, I cannot forgive another offseason of passing on Oline. You know last draft I said the 1 guy who I didnt think we could get, but as it turned out we could have, was Cordy Glenn. If we do not address this need this offseason, I think this team goes into rapid decline. Yup, i surely wish we drafted Cordy Glenn, as i thought he had the most value last yr, but we also didn't do anything to crazy in FA"cy, and if not for the shakeup that coughlin stupidily(only way to put it) done with the oline by taking Locklear out and inexplicably putting back david "bum" diehl, our line had been doing absoulutley fantastically.. And unfortunetly we can't fill every positon in the draft that we seemingly need.. I didn't even add a CB, and we could very well lose Webster, leaving us with Prince and Hosley, and then unknowns.. Were gonna have to use FA'cy for something.. Next wk, i very well could have us going OLIne in rd 1 for all i know?

slipknottin
11-20-2012, 08:49 PM
I distinctly remember you saying that chancellor was an Aaron rouse clone. And no I don't mean aaron ross

I thought I said that about Robert Sands or was it Myron Rolle

slipknottin
11-20-2012, 08:51 PM
Yup, i surely wish we drafted Cordy Glenn, as i thought he had the most value last yr, but we also didn't do anything to crazy in FA"cy, and if not for the shakeup that coughlin stupidily(only way to put it) done with the oline by taking Locklear out and inexplicably putting back david "bum" diehl, our line had been doing absoulutley fantastically.. And unfortunetly we can't fill every positon in the draft that we seemingly need.. I didn't even add a CB, and we could very well lose Webster, leaving us with Prince and Hosley, and then unknowns.. Were gonna have to use FA'cy for something.. Next wk, i very well could have us going OLIne in rd 1 for all i know?

I worried a lot about medical with Glenn. And he likely would be getting as much playing time as Wilson gets, you know Coughlin would be playing Diehl over Glenn. Beatty has been excellent this year, so fortunately the offensive line hasent been as bad as it was last year.

BlueSanta
11-21-2012, 12:37 AM
I worried a lot about medical with Glenn. And he likely would be getting as much playing time as Wilson gets, you know Coughlin would be playing Diehl over Glenn. Beatty has been excellent this year, so fortunately the offensive line hasent been as bad as it was last year.

You are right, he prolly wouldnt have played this year. But he would have in the future and that is what I am most worried about. Mayock said it best, all our Linemen except 1 are on the downside of their career and are about the same age. We cannot let them all age together. We have to start replacing them slowly.

Likely, anyone we draft this year wont be played next year very much. It is just TC's way. That only emphasizes the need even more to me because we have to draft guys now to contribute in 2 years. Part of me is worried we already waited 1 year too long.

nycsportzfan
11-21-2012, 12:56 AM
You are right, he prolly wouldnt have played this year. But he would have in the future and that is what I am most worried about. Mayock said it best, all our Linemen except 1 are on the downside of their career and are about the same age. We cannot let them all age together. We have to start replacing them slowly.

Likely, anyone we draft this year wont be played next year very much. It is just TC's way. That only emphasizes the need even more to me because we have to draft guys now to contribute in 2 years. Part of me is worried we already waited 1 year too long. i agree for the most part, but think we should grab some Olineman in FA'cy, so that coughlin will definetly play them next yr.. I mean, ELI's not getting any younger, and were obviously of championship caliber, so i'd hate wasting 2 many yrs developing guys on oline when we have a franchise QB in his prime for another couple seasons...

nycsportzfan
11-21-2012, 12:57 AM
I worried a lot about medical with Glenn. And he likely would be getting as much playing time as Wilson gets, you know Coughlin would be playing Diehl over Glenn. Beatty has been excellent this year, so fortunately the offensive line hasent been as bad as it was last year. I wasen't 2 worried.. Hes gonna be a outstanding player.. Bills fans and Bills beat writers rave about this kid.. I wish we had drafted em.. Even if he wasent 2 play much this yr, i still wish we'd drafted em..

Redeyejedi
11-21-2012, 02:19 AM
Ya, i was a big Atkins fan myself, but also liked the Austin pick up.. I remember we had debated with that dude who was all "stphen paea" after we got Austin, in defense of the selection...lol Oh well, u can't get em all right, ey? He hasnt done much either so at least theres that. sTill drives me nuts about Atkins really liked him and he was there 4th round ehhhhhh

nycsportzfan
11-21-2012, 02:24 AM
He hasnt done much either so at least theres that. sTill drives me nuts about Atkins really liked him and he was there 4th round ehhhhhh Ya, me 2.. I loved em to be truthful. Raved about em like there was no tommorow.. I really like alot of players that Cincy has drafted over the past several yrs..All though, i hated Andre Smith pickup.. I really don't like lazy lineman, it just don't add up in the pro's...

nycsportzfan
11-21-2012, 02:29 AM
I see Juron Criner and Muhhamed Sanu are gaining steam wk to wk.. Those are guys i was on record in Draft thread saying were steals and i liked more then Randle pickup.. Criner was a big steal as late as raiders got em, and Sanu was much more a 2nd rd pick then Rueben Randle should of been in my opinion.. Sanu just scored his 2nd td in as many wk's, and is starting to get a nice repoire with Andy Dalton.. He can also help u in trickery by throwing the ball on occasion, and he can rush the football, which hes done with moderate success so far with 4carries for 10yrds...

BlueSanta
11-21-2012, 02:15 PM
I see Juron Criner and Muhhamed Sanu are gaining steam wk to wk.. Those are guys i was on record in Draft thread saying were steals and i liked more then Randle pickup.. Criner was a big steal as late as raiders got em, and Sanu was much more a 2nd rd pick then Rueben Randle should of been in my opinion.. Sanu just scored his 2nd td in as many wk's, and is starting to get a nice repoire with Andy Dalton.. He can also help u in trickery by throwing the ball on occasion, and he can rush the football, which hes done with moderate success so far with 4carries for 10yrds...

The worry with Sanu was always character I think. There were some negative reports out there. Otherwise , he was likely a 2nd rounder.

heavyhitter
11-21-2012, 08:09 PM
A lot of draft eligible prospects to watch this weekend when Florida/Florida State squares off this Saturday at 3:30. Whether it'd be Werner (FSU), Tank Carradine (FSU), Floyd (UF), Easley (UF), Jones (FSU), Jenkins (UF), Bostic (UF), Elam (UF), Joyner (FSU), Manuel (FSU), Pryor (FSU), Smith (FSU), its going to be a great game to watch and I'm sure plenty of NFL scouts will be in attendance like usual.

nycsportzfan
11-21-2012, 08:11 PM
The worry with Sanu was always character I think. There were some negative reports out there. Otherwise , he was likely a 2nd rounder. really? I never remember hearing anything about his charechter?

nycsportzfan
11-21-2012, 08:12 PM
A lot of draft eligible prospects to watch this weekend when Florida/Florida State squares off this Saturday at 3:30. Whether it'd be Werner (FSU), Tank Carradine (FSU), Floyd (UF), Easley (UF), Jones (FSU), Jenkins (UF), Bostic (UF), Elam (UF), Joyner (FSU), Manuel (FSU), Pryor (FSU), Smith (FSU), its going to be a great game to watch and I'm sure plenty of NFL scouts will be in attendance like usual. Tank Carradine would make a very nice bookend with JPP going forward for our beloved big blue.. Xavier Rhodes would make a nice trio CB with Prince and Hosley as well..

heavyhitter
11-21-2012, 08:17 PM
Tank Carradine would make a very nice bookend with JPP going forward for our beloved big blue.. Xavier Rhodes would make a nice trio CB with Prince and Hosley as well..Yes indeed. Tank & JPP paired up at DE would be a disaster for opposing offenses and a wet dream for Perry Fewell.

heavyhitter
11-21-2012, 08:22 PM
Xavier Rhodes would make a nice trio CB with Prince and Hosley as well..I've got Xavier Rhodes rated as my #3 corner in your thread as of right now & he'll be drafted in the first 2 rounds but I would much rather take a safety over Rhodes this year.

heavyhitter
11-21-2012, 08:42 PM
I actually think Lonnie Pryor is the best FB in the country despite seeing many different draft sites having Trey Millard as the top FB. I remember driving out to watch Pryor in HS and he absolutely gashed defenses in damn near every game he played. I think family/friends/players called him "the future" or something along those lines. I followed his recruitment and thought for sure he would commit to Florida over Florida St. but I was pleasantly surprised.

nycsportzfan
11-22-2012, 08:12 AM
Many know how high i am on kevin minter ilb LSU.. I see hes gaining steam as DANE BRULGER(draft expert for CBSSPORTS) has put em in his 1st RD.. I'm telling you, the guy is a flat out "football player"... Guys like Kevin Minter, Baccari Rambo, Kawaan Short, CJ Mosley, Jordan Poyer, Eric Fisher, Joseph Fauria, Eric Reid, Ez Ansah, Alex Okafor, Tank Carradine, Barrett Jones, Chance Warmack, Terry Hawthorne, Jordan Hill, DJ Swearinger,Mike Mauti are guys i'm hoping are linked to the GMEN in off season pre draft vists for the first 3/4 rounds or so.. I'll add Brian Winters OT Kent St to that list as well.. One guy i'd be willing to trade up for if we end up picking in the lower 20's to begin with, would be Jake Mathews OT Tex A&M.. Hes the real deal, and Joeckl is clearly a better prospect, but not overly far and away.. Taylor Lewans stock is just rising 2 high for us to even think about trading for em.. I think Lewan goes top 10, as hes brilliant...

nycsportzfan
11-22-2012, 08:20 AM
Whats everyones take on this safety class? Assuming Matt Elam comes out.. I'm souring a bit on TJ McDonald, and probably woulden't touch em unless hes there when we pick in RD 3.. Vaccaro has looked pretty good most of the time and i'm looking forward to seeing him against TCU tommorow, as they got Skye Dawson and Josh Boyce, but i've fallen off on him a tad this yr as well.. My 2 faves are Baccari Rambo and Eric Reid.. I would have no issue taking Eric Reid in RD 1 , if we picked in the later half, and i really hope we get a chance to grab Baccari Rambo if we go a diffrent direction in RD 1, in RD 2... My top 5 safetys would probably go like this at this point...

1. Eric Reid LSU- Potential gives him a nudge ahead of Rambo
2. Baccari Rambo GA- Fell in love with em as a prospect, and that love continues to grow the more i see em play..
3. Matt Elam FLA- Very good player, could make push for 1st rd consieration
4. Tony Jefferson OK- Not as high on em as most on here, but i do like em..
5. Kenny Vaccaro- Hes right there with Jefferson but jefferson gets a nod because my draft brethren on here have talked em up so much..lol

Just missed(in order) - DJ Swearinger(underrated), Robert Lester, TJ Mcdonald...



A couple sleepers i like are Earl Wolff Nc St and Shamarko Thomas of Syracuse... Mid to late guy

BlueSanta
11-22-2012, 08:23 AM
I actually think Lonnie Pryor is the best FB in the country despite seeing many different draft sites having Trey Millard as the top FB. I remember driving out to watch Pryor in HS and he absolutely gashed defenses in damn near every game he played. I think family/friends/players called him "the future" or something along those lines. I followed his recruitment and thought for sure he would commit to Florida over Florida St. but I was pleasantly surprised.

Lonnie is the best Fullfack as far as skillset goes. But his size at 230 is why he isnt considered top for the NFL. However, he is a threat from the fullback position that defenses cant ignore like they do most fullbacks. He can run, catch, and block as well as anyone. He will make some team inventive enough to use him very happy.

heavyhitter
11-22-2012, 08:04 PM
1. Eric Reid LSU- Potential gives him a nudge ahead of Rambo
2. Baccari Rambo GA- Fell in love with em as a prospect, and that love continues to grow the more i see em play..
3. Matt Elam FLA- Very good player, could make push for 1st rd consieration
4. Tony Jefferson OK- Not as high on em as most on here, but i do like em..
5. Kenny Vaccaro- Hes right there with Jefferson but jefferson gets a nod because my draft brethren on here have talked em up so much..lol

Just missed(in order) - DJ Swearinger(underrated), Robert Lester, TJ Mcdonald...
Really think help is needed in the secondary and would love for the Giants to grab any one of these 8 prospects. I still think the Giants are still searching for that Chad Jones type guy at the safety position. Glad u brought up South Carolina S DJ Swearinger, who I agree is very underrated.

heavyhitter
11-22-2012, 08:06 PM
Lonnie is the best Fullfack as far as skillset goes. But his size at 230 is why he isnt considered top for the NFL. However, he is a threat from the fullback position that defenses cant ignore like they do most fullbacks. He can run, catch, and block as well as anyone. He will make some team inventive enough to use him very happy.I agree and well said

juice33s
11-23-2012, 05:58 AM
What round do you guys think brandon jenkins will go in? His stock's obviously down after the season ending foot injury, but he's still a guy who led FSU in sacks in 2010 and 2011 with projected first round DE's Werner and Carradine on the roster.

Personally I think he'll be on the Giants radar around round 3. His size and athletiscm is solid, but probably his best attribute is his quick first step and ability to bend on the edge.

Another guy who plays a position of need and also suffered a season ending injury to hurt his stock is UNC OT Brennan Williams. Some had him as a first round talent prior to the injury so if he's there in the late 2nd I think the Giants would be smart to snatch him up. The guy's prototype at 6'6" 320 with impressive athletism for his size

nycsportzfan
11-23-2012, 07:44 AM
What round do you guys think brandon jenkins will go in? His stock's obviously down after the season ending foot injury, but he's still a guy who led FSU in sacks in 2010 and 2011 with projected first round DE's Werner and Carradine on the roster.

Personally I think he'll be on the Giants radar around round 3. His size and athletiscm is solid, but probably his best attribute is his quick first step and ability to bend on the edge.

Another guy who plays a position of need and also suffered a season ending injury to hurt his stock is UNC OT Brennan Williams. Some had him as a first round talent prior to the injury so if he's there in the late 2nd I think the Giants would be smart to snatch him up. The guy's prototype at 6'6" 320 with impressive athletism for his size I coulden't agree more about both players.. Brandon Jenkins might fall similar to O'brien Scholfield from a few seasons ago outta wisconsin? He tore his ACL at the SR.BOWL and ended up getting drafted in RD4.. So, ur probably right actually, becuase if Schofield went in RD 4 and he injured himself closer to the draft then Jenkins, and probably wasen't as highly touted a prospect as jenkins to begin with, then jenkins will probably go in RD3 or so.. Maybe late 2nd if he participates in any type of pre draft workout stuff..

I really woulden't mind the giants rolling the dice on either player.. Jenkins would fit perfectly in the roll osi played for us, as lighting first step(if he still has it), sack master, and Brennan Williams was having a really nice season before he went down, and would give brewer good healthy competiton for the RT job going forwrad.. I'd take Brennan Williams in teh 2nd rd all day long..

nycsportzfan
11-23-2012, 07:46 AM
Really think help is needed in the secondary and would love for the Giants to grab any one of these 8 prospects. I still think the Giants are still searching for that Chad Jones type guy at the safety position. Glad u brought up South Carolina S DJ Swearinger, who I agree is very underrated. Ya, Baccari Rambo fits that Chad Jones mold in my opinion.. And yes, Swearinger is really solid and i think someone bites on him earlier then expected , similar to a TJ Ward(maybe not quite as early but u get the point)..

Redeyejedi
11-23-2012, 09:07 AM
Have u guys seen some of these unmovable contracts the Giants have on this team.We r Fd for real next season. Webster would be a cap hit of 10 million if we cut him, Diehl 7,75 million. These guys suck and we cant get rid of them. I doubt they make the playoffs next year

BlueSanta
11-23-2012, 10:52 AM
I coulden't agree more about both players.. Brandon Jenkins might fall similar to O'brien Scholfield from a few seasons ago outta wisconsin? He tore his ACL at the SR.BOWL and ended up getting drafted in RD4.. So, ur probably right actually, becuase if Schofield went in RD 4 and he injured himself closer to the draft then Jenkins, and probably wasen't as highly touted a prospect as jenkins to begin with, then jenkins will probably go in RD3 or so.. Maybe late 2nd if he participates in any type of pre draft workout stuff..

I really woulden't mind the giants rolling the dice on either player.. Jenkins would fit perfectly in the roll osi played for us, as lighting first step(if he still has it), sack master, and Brennan Williams was having a really nice season before he went down, and would give brewer good healthy competiton for the RT job going forwrad.. I'd take Brennan Williams in teh 2nd rd all day long..

I like Williams a lot. I like Jenkins too but I think he ends up as a 3-4 OLB.

BlueSanta
11-23-2012, 10:53 AM
Have u guys seen some of these unmovable contracts the Giants have on this team.We r Fd for real next season. Webster would be a cap hit of 10 million if we cut him, Diehl 7,75 million. These guys suck and we cant get rid of them. I doubt they make the playoffs next year

I did not know that, especially regarding Cweb.


Edit: I just reviewed his contract and I dont see it. How would his cap hit be so high? Nor do I see it in Diehls contract.

Redeyejedi
11-23-2012, 10:58 AM
I was looking at Kent St games and this guy caught my eye


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxh7UBOC1U4

juice33s
11-23-2012, 03:48 PM
Redeye do you have any Shamarko thomas?...He lacks prototypical size, but the guys a freak athlete who reportedly runs a 4.2 40 and hits like a mack truck...Depending what the Giants do with Rolle and Phillips in the offseason I would love the Giants to take this guy in the 4th round range if he's still available.

For my early mock I'm going to give the Giants
1. Manti teo- Depending how the Giants finish it's conceivable we could be picking mid 1st and I think thats about where Teo should go
2. OT Brennan Williams- first round talent who suffered a torn labrum and will probably slide some. Could be a day 1 starter at RT for us though
3. DE Brandon Jenkins- Pass rush specialist who'd be a solid replacement for Osi
4. S Shamarko Thomas- Baby Bob Sanders
5. CB Nigel Malone- IS NYCsportsfan's sleeper CB and the guys right more often then not, so thats good enough for me
6. TE Travis Kelce- Great size 6'6 260, solid production 472 yards 4 TD's and reportedly runs around a 4.5ish 40
7. RB Rex Burkhead- Giants haven't had a white RB since Keith Elias, I think we're do for another one...His hard nose style would be a nice compliment to Wilson down the line

BlueSanta
11-23-2012, 07:04 PM
I was looking at Kent St games and this guy caught my eye


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxh7UBOC1U4
Its vs crappy competition, but still the is quite impressive

Redeyejedi
11-23-2012, 07:06 PM
I did not know that, especially regarding Cweb.


Edit: I just reviewed his contract and I dont see it. How would his cap hit be so high? Nor do I see it in Diehls contract. Thats what i though as well but I dont know the restructure terms from both of those guys frtom this season.

Redeyejedi
11-23-2012, 07:07 PM
Redeye do you have any Shamarko thomas?...He lacks prototypical size, but the guys a freak athlete who reportedly runs a 4.2 40 and hits like a mack truck...Depending what the Giants do with Rolle and Phillips in the offseason I would love the Giants to take this guy in the 4th round range if he's still available.

For my early mock I'm going to give the Giants
1. Manti teo- Depending how the Giants finish it's conceivable we could be picking mid 1st and I think thats about where Teo should go
2. OT Brennan Williams- first round talent who suffered a torn labrum and will probably slide some. Could be a day 1 starter at RT for us though
3. DE Brandon Jenkins- Pass rush specialist who'd be a solid replacement for Osi
4. S Shamarko Thomas- Baby Bob Sanders
5. CB Nigel Malone- IS NYCsportsfan's sleeper CB and the guys right more often then not, so thats good enough for me
6. TE Travis Kelce- Great size 6'6 260, solid production 472 yards 4 TD's and reportedly runs around a 4.5ish 40
7. RB Rex Burkhead- Giants haven't had a white RB since Keith Elias, I think we're do for another one...His hard nose style would be a nice compliment to Wilson down the lineyeah I can do that

BlueSanta
11-24-2012, 08:44 AM
yeah I can do that

I like the players. I need to know more about the Labrum tear on Williams tho . That is a common injury but can be a silent career killer for linemen depending on how severe a tear it was. I can refer people to how much that injury has pestered Justin Tuck in recent years but the best example of how much it can do is Andrew Datko, a tackle out of FSU who was once thought of as a possible 1st round talent. A badly torn labrum had him drafted in the 7th and now has him sitting on the Packers practice squad.


Unfortunatly, as fans we dont see the doc reports from the combine so we wont really know how badly he was injured. But hopefully the Giants do. If the problem is resolved, he is a fine prospect. If not, I would stay away, that is an injury that can plague a career for an olineman.

slipknottin
11-24-2012, 12:51 PM
From the little I've seen shamarko play, I don't think size is an issue. He's extremely physical. His instincts are questionable and he bites on everything. Though Will Hill was much the same. I do like shamarko. Get him to play a little more disciplined and he can be a nice player in the secondary. He would be a tremendous ST player as well with his speed and willingness to throw his body around

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 01:47 PM
From the little I've seen shamarko play, I don't think size is an issue. He's extremely physical. His instincts are questionable and he bites on everything. Though Will Hill was much the same. I do like shamarko. Get him to play a little more disciplined and he can be a nice player in the secondary. He would be a tremendous ST player as well with his speed and willingness to throw his body around I love em.. Talked about em in this very thread a few times.. A very good, underrated player.. I see him being similar to Tavon Wilson fo last yr, as a guy who goes alot higher then most expect.(albeit maybe not 2nd rd like Wilson)..

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 01:49 PM
Welp, my man Baccari Rambo yet again makes a huge splash play for GA.. Ga Tech was about to score on a long run play and a few Bulldogs converged at about the 4 yrd line and the Ga Tech runners momentum was moving em toward the endzone and Rambo just stole the ball from him and then returned it 46yrds in the other direction.. So easy to see hes gonna fly up draft boards.. Its why i have em as the top S in this class..

BlueSanta
11-24-2012, 02:16 PM
Welp, my man Baccari Rambo yet again makes a huge splash play for GA.. Ga Tech was about to score on a long run play and a few Bulldogs converged at about the 4 yrd line and the Ga Tech runners momentum was moving em toward the endzone and Rambo just stole the ball from him and then returned it 46yrds in the other direction.. So easy to see hes gonna fly up draft boards.. Its why i have em as the top S in this class..

Its funny how things change. Prior to the season people talked about TJ MacDonald and K Vaccaro. Then they played football and people remembered how good the SEC is. Vaccaro and MAcdonald may both be below Rambo and Elam b4 all is said and done.

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 02:28 PM
Its funny how things change. Prior to the season people talked about TJ MacDonald and K Vaccaro. Then they played football and people remembered how good the SEC is. Vaccaro and MAcdonald may both be below Rambo and Elam b4 all is said and done. Mcdonald has really fallen off, but Vaccaro is still going in 2nd rd, which is about where people thought anyhow.. He hasent been terrible this yr, just not quite as good as advertised.. I mean, GENO SMITH and CO made em look bad, but they made Jefferson look terrible as well. Shoot, Jefferson had one of the worst missed tackles i'd ever seen against W.VA..

McDonald has just been very unimpressive as a whole.. He looks stiff and very beatable through the air, almost like Taylor Mays like..

As far as Baccari Rambo, i should of stuck to my own way of thinking about em.. I let other people(draft gurus and what not) decide that i liked em a little more then he was good.. Then i watched em play his first couple wk's back, and i was like "screw this", hes fantastic! Hes a playmaker, who can make the hard jarring hit, and he can cover.. Hes a first rd talent, like i said a couple wks ago.. He might not go int he first, but anyone who has em in late rd 3 still, better update there rankings...lol

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 04:08 PM
what happened to Teddy Bridgewater? Jesus, he su-cks now...

slipknottin
11-24-2012, 05:23 PM
what happened to Teddy Bridgewater? Jesus, he su-cks now...

Uconn beat the snot out of him, sacked him like 8 times, he couldnt use his left hand after halftime, then could barely walk in overtime.

Uconn has a very good defense too, multiple NFL talent players.

BlueSanta
11-24-2012, 08:11 PM
I still have to say that as far as plays in big games, Elam has been the best safety in the country this year. I know some question his measurables, but you just cant question his play.

Another big game performance for Bjorn Werner. I cant imagine him falling out of the top 15 now.

BlueSanta
11-24-2012, 08:16 PM
Mcdonald has really fallen off, but Vaccaro is still going in 2nd rd, which is about where people thought anyhow.. He hasent been terrible this yr, just not quite as good as advertised.. I mean, GENO SMITH and CO made em look bad, but they made Jefferson look terrible as well. Shoot, Jefferson had one of the worst missed tackles i'd ever seen against W.VA..
Vaccaro has not played badly, he just hasnt played up to his hype imho. He is still a solid player, I should be careful to put him in the same paragraph as TJ MacDonald who, in my opinion, had as bad a senior season as any potential 1st round player I have ever seen. TJ was hoorid in every phase.

Still tho, Elam and Rambo performed better vs big competition.

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 09:04 PM
I still have to say that as far as plays in big games, Elam has been the best safety in the country this year. I know some question his measurables, but you just cant question his play.

Another big game performance for Bjorn Werner. I cant imagine him falling out of the top 15 now. Now u sound like me with Earl Thomas..lol I just didn't care what his size was.. I knew he simply could play the game of football.. I believe the same to be with Baccari Rambo, except hes got solid measurables as well.. Either way, i really like Elam as well... Elam is a solid solid S prospect...


Baccari had another Forced Fumble by the way, oh ya, and a Pick..lol JESUS!!!!lol DUDES A FREAKING ANIMAL!

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 09:08 PM
Uconn beat the snot out of him, sacked him like 8 times, he couldnt use his left hand after halftime, then could barely walk in overtime.

Uconn has a very good defense too, multiple NFL talent players. Nah i here ya.. He actually really picked it up at the end.. But trust me, my response had little to do with the UCONN game, but more to do with what i seen in multiple games this yr.. He reminds me of Tony Romo, as he'll look great for a stretch, but for very long stretches of games, he'll look completely terrible.. He did it against FIU, UNC, and now UCONN as well.. They all aren't packed with NFL talent..lol Hes got 16td 6int and a much lower Complet PCT after the first 3games of the season.. So hes still been solid, but not as spectacular.. Hes shown some chinks in the armour is all..

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 09:11 PM
Man, i stiill can't get over baccari Rambo.. Guys just a flat out playmaker.. The first FF was great enough and saved points against GA for sure.. I missed the 2nd FF, and the PICK.. It was his 3rd pick in the last 5games, to go with 2FF and a Sack and some TFL and PD...

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 09:18 PM
Anyone know anything about Chris Jones DT Bowling Green? I was watching a bit of him agianst BUFFALO on Friday, and i think they were saying he leads the nation in TFL(i could be wrong but it was something really impressive).. And none the less, he was really good in that game, and i looked em up, and besides all the TFL, hes also got 11.5Sacks from the DT positon! Hes not a overly big guy, in the mold of Jordan Hill from Penn St(who i like), at 6ft 1in 294lbs.. Seemed to have underrated strength with a good burst off the ball.. Either way, 11.5 sacks outta the DT positon is gonna get u noticed..

nycsportzfan
11-24-2012, 09:21 PM
I was looking at Kent St games and this guy caught my eye


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxh7UBOC1U4 Ya, i've seen Dri(pronounced Dree) archer a few times. He was utterly sensational in a game i gambled on a few weeks ago(forgot who they played? Was making some seriously explosive runs... Hes one of the fastest guys in the country, hands down.. I dont' even have to look into it, i simply know it just from seeing hima few times.. His speed is scary. He also has good balance and vision...


What about Chris Jones DT B.Green redeye? 11.5sacks from the DT positon! Another MAC kid..

BlueSanta
11-24-2012, 10:25 PM
Now u sound like me with Earl Thomas..lol I just didn't care what his size was.. I knew he simply could play the game of football.. I believe the same to be with Baccari Rambo, except hes got solid measurables as well.. Either way, i really like Elam as well... Elam is a solid solid S prospect...


Baccari had another Forced Fumble by the way, oh ya, and a Pick..lol JESUS!!!!lol DUDES A FREAKING ANIMAL!

I never had a problem with Thomas, I just thought your claim that he was better than Eric Berry was a lil over the top. He is pretty much exactly what I said he was a good safety vs the pass and only ok vs the run.

I will say this year I stand by my claim Rambo + Elam > Vaccaro and MacDonald.

As far as Rambo over Elam, you are rprolly right as far as NFl goes he has the measurables and that matters. But I think they are both equally insane playmakers.

nycsportzfan
11-25-2012, 12:31 AM
I never had a problem with Thomas, I just thought your claim that he was better than Eric Berry was a lil over the top. He is pretty much exactly what I said he was a good safety vs the pass and only ok vs the run.

I will say this year I stand by my claim Rambo + Elam > Vaccaro and MacDonald.

As far as Rambo over Elam, you are rprolly right as far as NFl goes he has the measurables and that matters. But I think they are both equally insane playmakers.dude, i loved eric berry.. U can ask redeye, i thought berry was gonna be future HOF'er, if he stayed healthy.. I simply thought that Earl Thomas was alot closer to Eric Berry then people were making it out to be.. Meaning, Berry was perdicted as a possibly top 2pick, and Earl was being perdicted to go by some crazy people in the mid 20's.. There was no way people were gonna convince me that Eric Berry was that much better then Earl Thomas.. Sure, he might be a bit better Run Defender, but Earl Thomas was the most special playmaker id seen since Ed Reed.. Just sensational.. I honestly don't care that much about the run defending if a guys that much of a playmaker, because u have to have a blend of both between ur 11starters, and i'd much rather have my free safety specialize in playmaking and forcing turnovers, then be a good run stopper.. I'd rather have a couple guys on the Dline and MLB and maybe SS be stud run defenders, if its at the expense of having a knockout playmaking FS who isn't patrick willis against the run..

Not to mention, i always said then, that he got a raw deal, and was a decnet run defender, and dosen't just get trumped over or flail on tackle attempts.. Hes a pretty sound tackler, and he gets guys down when there in his way..




As far as this yr, i could care less about measurables of Rambo and Elam, i just like Rambo better.. Like i've been saying, hes a first rd talent, and i think hes proving that statement right, all though, i don't know if he'll rise that high.. To be honest, i think Elam is a border line 1st rder, and woulden't laugh at a team taking him in the late 1st either..

Similar to Bery and Thomas, i don't think theres a monster diffrence in talent.. There both really good, but i feel Rambo is more of a game changer.. ANd i love game changing Safteys..

nycsportzfan
11-25-2012, 12:35 AM
Theo Rid**** 100pct needs to be drafted.. A poor mans Percy Harvin with alittle less speed...

Redeyejedi
11-25-2012, 03:39 AM
Ya, i've seen Dri(pronounced Dree) archer a few times. He was utterly sensational in a game i gambled on a few weeks ago(forgot who they played? Was making some seriously explosive runs... Hes one of the fastest guys in the country, hands down.. I dont' even have to look into it, i simply know it just from seeing hima few times.. His speed is scary. He also has good balance and vision...


What about Chris Jones DT B.Green redeye? 11.5sacks from the DT positon! Another MAC kid..yeah we have vid up of him

slipknottin
11-25-2012, 10:14 AM
Theo Rid**** 100pct needs to be drafted.. A poor mans Percy Harvin with alittle less speed...

I still think he's like Kevin Faulk.

nycsportzfan
11-25-2012, 11:31 AM
I still think he's like Kevin Faulk. ya, i suppose hes a bit similar to Kevin Faulk as well.. He can split out wide and play RB , is the reason i said Percy, but Faulks similar as well.. Either way, hes good...lol

slipknottin
11-25-2012, 12:01 PM
ya, i suppose hes a bit similar to Kevin Faulk as well.. He can split out wide and play RB , is the reason i said Percy, but Faulks similar as well.. Either way, hes good...lol

Percy Harvin to me, is far more of a dynamic player. Faulk and Rid**** are not as explosive but are consistent, know what youll get from them every play. And both are intelligent enough to take on multiple roles and do multiple things.

nycsportzfan
11-26-2012, 02:10 AM
Percy Harvin to me, is far more of a dynamic player. Faulk and Rid**** are not as explosive but are consistent, know what youll get from them every play. And both are intelligent enough to take on multiple roles and do multiple things. ya i originally said just that, that Harvin was a bit faster... Rid**** is built similarly and is very versatile like Harvin is where i drew the comparison..

nycsportzfan
11-26-2012, 03:05 AM
Mock Draft time! We looked sensational coming off the bye wk! Giants just creamed the Packers!!! And we were getting pressure all night which was great 2 see! I'm moving us closer to rd 2 this week and have us picking at pick 28! Creaming GB like that is really impressive! We destroyed GB and SF this yr, and both teams 2 me, are the best 2 teams outside of ourselves, so that says something..

RD1.. Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame- Just a really special talent.. THe more i see Bennett play, the more i feel like he had a flukey stretch earlier in the season, where he probably was really motivated for a change 2 show the world and cowboys that he was better then thought of, and i feel it was hard for him to keep up that intensity , because u simply can't change people.. Sure hes been dinged up, but come on! Dudes been non existent for most part for about 6wk's now, after such a great start.. Also, hes a FA.. Eifert at TE, just helps ELI and Cruz and Nicks(if we keep both going forward) that much more.. A reliable wk in and wk out TE that brings it and is a matchup nightmare isn't so bad a pick late 1st.. I really like Eifert.. 44rec 624yrd 4td on the season so far, and would of been better if he didn't have kid larning the ropes at QB all yr in GOLSON...

RD2.. Oday Aboushi OT Virginia- I really doubt hes here come april, but if he is, its tremendous value for a guy whos really not far off from the 1st rd guys.. Hes having a solid yr and would be a perfect longterm RT solution for us.. Watch for him to rise to high for us to get em late 2nd, but as of now, most have as mid to late 2nd, so i'm taking em...

RD3.. Jordan Hill DT Penn St- Many know i like this kid, i've spoke about em before, and he was utterly brilliant against WISCONSIN this past wkend, doing just the things i feel will complement are big run stuffing DT Linval Joseph,who also can occasionaly make plays in the backfield.. Hill does that more regularly and is very quick off the ball and overall.. He had 3TFL , 2SACKS and 8Tackles VS the badgers.. Just a brilliant game that shows exactly why i've mocked em to us in the past.. Canty is owed alot of doe and Austin has been a no show and Bernard is a FA.. Youth and depth is needed...

RD4.. DJ Swearinger S S.Carolina- A hard hitting underrated S prospect.. Obviously a bit of S help is needed if KP leaves, and Swearinger could be the answer..

RD5.. Zach Line RB S.M.U- This kid is freaking powerful! I watched em a few times over his career, and a bit in there win over Tulsa this past weekend(had money on game), and again he was great.. He would be a great comp back to Dave Wilson going forward and could act as are Andre Brown if were to lose em or he loses something due to his latest injury, which is a broken leg.. Line also has good hands outta the backfield, as hes got 32catches all ready to go with his 29rushing TD's over the past 2yrs.. He was brilliant against tough Texas A&M even though offense as a whole did little, as he had 104yrd on 16carries and 5catches for 35yrds.. A better runner then Kuhn, who some might compare too..

RD6.. Craig Roh DE Michigan- Spoke about em recently.. A physical player, whos not a huge pass rusher, but plays with big time motor and uses will and power to get job done.. Could possibly be our new Tollefson?

RD7. Kenny Okoro CB W.Forest- Good sized CB, who fits mold of most our CB's, and we could use the depth.. I think he'll be a solid ST player as well, with the possible potential to be yet another big time late rd steal as i think he was a fairly big recruit for wake...

BlueSanta
11-26-2012, 05:18 AM
Mock Draft time! We looked sensational coming off the bye wk! Giants just creamed the Packers!!! And we were getting pressure all night which was great 2 see! I'm moving us closer to rd 2 this week and have us picking at pick 28! Creaming GB like that is really impressive! We destroyed GB and SF this yr, and both teams 2 me, are the best 2 teams outside of ourselves, so that says something..

RD1.. Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame- Just a really special talent.. THe more i see Bennett play, the more i feel like he had a flukey stretch earlier in the season, where he probably was really motivated for a change 2 show the world and cowboys that he was better then thought of, and i feel it was hard for him to keep up that intensity , because u simply can't change people.. Sure hes been dinged up, but come on! Dudes been non existent for most part for about 6wk's now, after such a great start.. Also, hes a FA.. Eifert at TE, just helps ELI and Cruz and Nicks(if we keep both going forward) that much more.. A reliable wk in and wk out TE that brings it and is a matchup nightmare isn't so bad a pick late 1st.. I really like Eifert.. 44rec 624yrd 4td on the season so far, and would of been better if he didn't have kid larning the ropes at QB all yr in GOLSON...

RD2.. Oday Aboushi OT Virginia- I really doubt hes here come april, but if he is, its tremendous value for a guy whos really not far off from the 1st rd guys.. Hes having a solid yr and would be a perfect longterm RT solution for us.. Watch for him to rise to high for us to get em late 2nd, but as of now, most have as mid to late 2nd, so i'm taking em...

RD3.. Jordan Hill DT Penn St- Many know i like this kid, i've spoke about em before, and he was utterly brilliant against WISCONSIN this past wkend, doing just the things i feel will complement are big run stuffing DT Linval Joseph,who also can occasionaly make plays in the backfield.. Hill does that more regularly and is very quick off the ball and overall.. He had 3TFL , 2SACKS and 8Tackles VS the badgers.. Just a brilliant game that shows exactly why i've mocked em to us in the past.. Canty is owed alot of doe and Austin has been a no show and Bernard is a FA.. Youth and depth is needed...

RD4.. DJ Swearinger S S.Carolina- A hard hitting underrated S prospect.. Obviously a bit of S help is needed if KP leaves, and Swearinger could be the answer..

RD5.. Zach Line RB S.M.U- This kid is freaking powerful! I watched em a few times over his career, and a bit in there win over Tulsa this past weekend(had money on game), and again he was great.. He would be a great comp back to Dave Wilson going forward and could act as are Andre Brown if were to lose em or he loses something due to his latest injury, which is a broken leg.. Line also has good hands outta the backfield, as hes got 32catches all ready to go with his 29rushing TD's over the past 2yrs.. He was brilliant against tough Texas A&M even though offense as a whole did little, as he had 104yrd on 16carries and 5catches for 35yrds.. A better runner then Kuhn, who some might compare too..

RD6.. Craig Roh DE Michigan- Spoke about em recently.. A physical player, whos not a huge pass rusher, but plays with big time motor and uses will and power to get job done.. Could possibly be our new Tollefson?

RD7. Kenny Okoro CB W.Forest- Good sized CB, who fits mold of most our CB's, and we could use the depth.. I think he'll be a solid ST player as well, with the possible potential to be yet another big time late rd steal as i think he was a fairly big recruit for wake...

Good players. Im not sure I agree about Bennett, but I certainly think Eifert is a solid pick, even if I think it unlikely the Giants go TE in the 1st.

Aboushi in the 2nd would be a steal. I think you are right in saying he wont be here come april. If he were a right tackle only prospect then maybe, but since he can play left and is actually more comfortable there, I highly doubt he drops this far. Natural left tackles comfortable with pass protection get drafted sooner. Still tho, I like the positional need pick, and I think OT has become such a big need that we might consider trading up for 1.

I am a little iffy on Zach line, I see some big holes for him and I think they make him look better than he is at times. He isnt big enough to play fullback right now either. I question his speed and I also think he runs very upright at times, tho he is a good reciever. I would like to see more of him tbh. I like the idea of what you are going for, I am just not that high on him. As far as the Rb/FB hybrid guys I like Lonnie Pryor he plays fullback but runs like a power tailback and can catch as well. To me, he is 1 of the most underrated RB prospects coming out this year. He is a more skilled version of Joe Martinek. A hybrid type player who can run, catch, block and leadblock. I also think a late round guy like Braden Wilson works with what we do here. He is more of a H-back/ Fullback hybrid type like Pascoe or possibly Rhett Elison from last year.

Redeyejedi
11-26-2012, 08:45 AM
I continue to stand by the belief the Giants need to take a Defensive end high in this draft. If they control the line,the defense controls the game. I wouldont mind an undersized pass rushing UT either.
If they are going to stick with this defensive philosophy then u need more ends.

1.DE

2.CB- Webster makes a lot of money.
3.Any offensive lineman they U can argue they need upgrades everywhere

4.Safety- Could move higher depending on KP contract. I like Will Hill very much however

BlueSanta
11-26-2012, 11:41 AM
I continue to stand by the belief the Giants need to take a Defensive end high in this draft. If they control the line,the defense controls the game. I wouldont mind an undersized pass rushing UT either.
If they are going to stick with this defensive philosophy then u need more ends.


As far as need goes, I think you can make a strong case for DE, as you can for CB or Oline.My personal guess tho would be Oline>DE>CB but that would be eliminating value from the equation.

slipknottin
11-26-2012, 02:28 PM
I continue to stand by the belief the Giants need to take a Defensive end high in this draft. If they control the line,the defense controls the game. I wouldont mind an undersized pass rushing UT either.
If they are going to stick with this defensive philosophy then u need more ends.

1.DE

2.CB- Webster makes a lot of money.
3.Any offensive lineman they U can argue they need upgrades everywhere

4.Safety- Could move higher depending on KP contract. I like Will Hill very much however

I agree with this. Still think guard is a bigger need than tackle. I think Beatty + Locklear + Brewer is alright at tackle. Guard Boothe and snee have struggled, and they have no depth. DT is also a need at some point. Bernard is old, Canty makes a lot (though you can argue he's worth it) and really they have not much else besides linval.

LB is always a need too. Both outside and inside.

Redeyejedi
11-26-2012, 03:11 PM
I agree with this. Still think guard is a bigger need than tackle. I think Beatty + Locklear + Brewer is alright at tackle. Guard Boothe and snee have struggled, and they have no depth. DT is also a need at some point. Bernard is old, Canty makes a lot (though you can argue he's worth it) and really they have not much else besides linval.

LB is always a need too. Both outside and inside. Yeah they wont get rid of Snee yet but the interior is in worse shape

slipknottin
11-26-2012, 03:32 PM
Yeah they wont get rid of Snee yet but the interior is in worse shape

Don't need to get rid of the starters yet, but having depth and a guy to push them would be a useful addition.

juice33s
11-26-2012, 05:59 PM
Thoughts on Anthony Barr, imo the best pass rusher in the draft and I'd take im in the 1st even if he wasn't an everydown player (Though I think he could play the kiwi role effectively)

slipknottin
11-26-2012, 06:53 PM
Thoughts on Anthony Barr, imo the best pass rusher in the draft and I'd take im in the 1st even if he wasn't an everydown player (Though I think he could play the kiwi role effectively)

I dont know where he would fit in a 4-3. I think if you did draft him as a 4-3 player, you would need to do what Denver does with Von Miller.

Imgrate
11-26-2012, 07:03 PM
I thought I said that about Robert Sands or was it Myron Rollesame school, same height etc

rainierjef
11-27-2012, 03:46 AM
Whats up draft junkies. back from mini hiatus.

Corner is what i would like to spend the first round pick on. seeing as were probably going to be in the late 20's or so, I doubt the major guys I want like Minter/Te'o/ any one of the LSU DE's lol and Reid would be available.

So Rhodes/Simon/Poyer in that order.

juice33s
11-27-2012, 04:22 AM
I dont know where he would fit in a 4-3. I think if you did draft him as a 4-3 player, you would need to do what Denver does with Von Miller.
No reason why he couldn't play LB on run downs and then move down to DE on passing situations. This isn't a Bruce Irvin situation where he was strictly a pass rusher in college. Barr is an everydown player for UCLA who can drop in to coverage and take on blocks in the run game. Personally i think he's a better fit in that position then Dion jordan would be (Stronger, more stout against the run and most importantly a better pass rusher).

juice33s
11-27-2012, 04:23 AM
Whats up draft junkies. back from mini hiatus.

Corner is what i would like to spend the first round pick on. seeing as were probably going to be in the late 20's or so, I doubt the major guys I want like Minter/Te'o/ any one of the LSU DE's lol and Reid would be available.

So Rhodes/Simon/Poyer in that order.
Reid and Minter will be there

Redeyejedi
11-27-2012, 01:21 PM
Im not sold that Dion Jordan is going to be playing in space all the time in the NFL. i think he is better off putting on weight and playing a traditional end spot. It will be nice asset to have a guy like him if u like to zone blitz but are u really going to take a 6'6 guy and tell him to cover Wes Welker in the slot

nycsportzfan
11-27-2012, 02:10 PM
Good players. Im not sure I agree about Bennett, but I certainly think Eifert is a solid pick, even if I think it unlikely the Giants go TE in the 1st.

Aboushi in the 2nd would be a steal. I think you are right in saying he wont be here come april. If he were a right tackle only prospect then maybe, but since he can play left and is actually more comfortable there, I highly doubt he drops this far. Natural left tackles comfortable with pass protection get drafted sooner. Still tho, I like the positional need pick, and I think OT has become such a big need that we might consider trading up for 1.

I am a little iffy on Zach line, I see some big holes for him and I think they make him look better than he is at times. He isnt big enough to play fullback right now either. I question his speed and I also think he runs very upright at times, tho he is a good reciever. I would like to see more of him tbh. I like the idea of what you are going for, I am just not that high on him. As far as the Rb/FB hybrid guys I like Lonnie Pryor he plays fullback but runs like a power tailback and can catch as well. To me, he is 1 of the most underrated RB prospects coming out this year. He is a more skilled version of Joe Martinek. A hybrid type player who can run, catch, block and leadblock. I also think a late round guy like Braden Wilson works with what we do here. He is more of a H-back/ Fullback hybrid type like Pascoe or possibly Rhett Elison from last year. I love zach line.. He was carrying guys after contact 5-6 yrds down field, and even when the hole was stuffed, was still getting positive yards with his non stop motor and strength combinantion. He makes for a great complement to a David Wilson, in my opinion.. He reminds me of a more complete Kuhn from GB.. Hes all ready caught 32balls this yr and looks pretty natural in his pass recieving.. He falls 2 me somewhere between Peyton Hillis/ Kuhn/ and Jackie Battle.. Not to bad for a late 5th rd pick... WHoever takes him will get a steal..

I think Aboushi willl rise just becasue hes proven he can play with great skill either RT or LT.. Just the versatility alone with his measurables and smarts is a nice package.. I can't believe how underrated he is right now.. I honestly don't believe he make it to the mid 2nd, but thats the consensus as of now, so i got em in RD 2...

Eli's at his best when his TE is making big plays.. And when Bennett was making big plays the first wk's of the season, our pass offense was as crisp as ever.. Eiftert is simply better.. i have no problem going a diffrent direction but if there isn't a great pick out there, then i'd rather get the number 1 prospect at a certain positon that could certainly be useful to us, which TE is.. 3TD's outta are TE is simply not good enough.. With his size and skill, he should have half a dozen TD's... I mean, even Kevin Boss, a 5th rd pick outta W.oregon whos done nothing since leaving NY, was a greater weapon to us, especially in the redzone..

juice33s
11-27-2012, 02:18 PM
Im not sold that Dion Jordan is going to be playing in space all the time in the NFL. i think he is better off putting on weight and playing a traditional end spot. It will be nice asset to have a guy like him if u like to zone blitz but are u really going to take a 6'6 guy and tell him to cover Wes Welker in the slot
Well how many LB's would you ever tell to cover Welker? I do think that Jordan and Barr have the size. strenght and athletism to stick with most TE's in the league

nycsportzfan
11-27-2012, 02:21 PM
Reid and Minter will be there I don't know about Reid? That is certainly debatable, and Minter is rising, as i've said he should be for wks, as i seen ROb Rang got em in the 1st rd now.. U guy sleep on minter, but the guy is increidble.. Hes a indimidator, and somewhat of a playmaker... He really moves around the field at ease, and seems to rack up tackles every game, and is no slouch in coverege and he can rush the passer on ocasion.. I honestly think hes closer to 6ft 1in, then the 5ft 11in, some have speculated.. Shoot, i've seen him listed at 6ft 2in in more then 1 site... I'd be shocked if hes on the board after Bobby Wagner went last yr, which is after the 1st, but hes a better prospect, so he could go anywhere before Bobby Wagner, even the late 1st... And i loved Bobby Wagner!!(whos doing really well, might i add)...

nycsportzfan
11-27-2012, 02:28 PM
Jordan Hill made it into Walts Stock UP this wk which came out this morning.. I've mocked em a few times to us, most recently this wk, and io'm telling u, this kid will help our pass rush immensley.. U put Linval, Hill, and JPP on 3/4 of ur 4/3 makeup, and ur on 2 something...


Jordan Hill, DT, Penn State
Hill took over and dominated his final collegiate game. The Wisconsin Badgers were the victim as Hill killed them as a pass-rusher while also stuffing a plethora of runs at the line of scrimmage. He was moving well around the line of scrimmage all night and not giving up any ground.

Hill made a plethora of tackles in the ground game. He picked up his first sack after starting to his left before shedding center Travis Frederick to cut back to the right and tackle the quarterback.

In crunch time late in the fourth quarter, Hill came up with a big sack when the Badgers were driving and trying to tie the game. Hill slipped past the guard and exploded down the pocket to flatten Phillips for his second sack. Hill added another tackle of Montee Ball on first-and-goal. Hill used a swim move on third-and-goal to get by Travis Frederick and tackle Ball for a loss of a couple of yards.

Aside from his sacks, Hill got a number of punishing hits on quarterback Curt Phillips just after he threw the ball. Hill totaled 12 tackles, three tackles for a loss and two sacks versus Wisconsin. The 6-foot-1, 292-pounder used his final game to show NFL teams that he is worthy of a second-day pick in the 2013 NFL Draft. Hill totaled 64 tackles, 8.5 tackles for a loss, one interception, 4.5 sacks and a forced fumble in 2012.

nycsportzfan
11-27-2012, 02:31 PM
Joseph Fauria had another marvelous game albeit in a losing effort.. He scored yet again, and put up WR type stat line yet again.. At 4catches 61yrds 1td vs a super tough stanford D... Hes scored in 7outta8 games, and i will trust 100pct that our coaches can get maximum potential outta his 6ft 7in 255lb frame towards becoming a solid NFL blocker.. If we need a TE or go a diffrent direction in 1st rd, i'd consider Fauria in 2nd or 3rd... Hes really good..

TheEnigma
11-27-2012, 02:38 PM
Been gone for the Thanksgiving week so I apologize in advance if it has already been noticed but Ansah seems to have found himself in the late 1st for a few mocks now.

juice33s
11-27-2012, 03:06 PM
I don't know about Reid? That is certainly debatable, and Minter is rising, as i've said he should be for wks, as i seen ROb Rang got em in the 1st rd now.. U guy sleep on minter, but the guy is increidble.. Hes a indimidator, and somewhat of a playmaker... He really moves around the field at ease, and seems to rack up tackles every game, and is no slouch in coverege and he can rush the passer on ocasion.. I honestly think hes closer to 6ft 1in, then the 5ft 11in, some have speculated.. Shoot, i've seen him listed at 6ft 2in in more then 1 site... I'd be shocked if hes on the board after Bobby Wagner went last yr, which is after the 1st, but hes a better prospect, so he could go anywhere before Bobby Wagner, even the late 1st... And i loved Bobby Wagner!!(whos doing really well, might i add)... Neither of these guys are top 20 picks, so for rainierjef to feel they wouldn't be there in the late 20's I thought was a little assumptious.

Both Reid and Minter play postions where to be high 1st round picks you really have to be a.) a special height/weight/speed specimen and b) a true game changer on the field, neither guy fits the bill in both categories.

juice33s
11-27-2012, 03:08 PM
Been gone for the Thanksgiving week so I apologize in advance if it has already been noticed but Ansah seems to have found himself in the late 1st for a few mocks now.
The more I think about it, the more I think thats the guy the Giants will take if he's available. Fits the Giants to a T in what he brings physically and in terms of versatillity where he can play all over the Dline

BlueSanta
11-27-2012, 03:32 PM
With his size and skill, he should have half a dozen TD's... I mean, even Kevin Boss, a 5th rd pick outta W.oregon whos done nothing since leaving NY, was a greater weapon to us, especially in the redzone..

What are you talking about? Bennett has 39 reception ins 11 games. In Boss' best year he had 42 for the entire season. How was he a better weapon? Furthermore Bennett is a better edge blocker, which is the primary function of the TE in this offense. Boss was a decent TE, but lets not turn him into something he was not. We dont use Bennett as a deep threat because we have guys better suited for it. In 2009, which was Boss' best year, and a year we passed the ball a ton because of our large point defecits, we lacked a deep threat. We have Cruz to pick apart the deep middle of the field now.

Eiferts a good prospect , but I am willing to give Bennett more credit than others even if just for the superb job blocking he has done. We have actually been able to get the edge on defenses this year in the run game. That just did not happen last year as Ballard was a terrible seal blocker. We have also let Bennet Block DE's 1v1 and he has been successful at times, that is something we never did in the past.

You want a reason our run game is improved this year over last? Well Bennett is a large part of that. His edge blocking is very good.

juice33s
11-27-2012, 05:40 PM
Tank Carradine tore his ACL....Went from a possible 1st round pick to imo maybe a 3rd at best

rainierjef
11-27-2012, 06:15 PM
Neither of these guys are top 20 picks, so for rainierjef to feel they wouldn't be there in the late 20's I thought was a little assumptious.

Both Reid and Minter play postions where to be high 1st round picks you really have to be a.) a special height/weight/speed specimen and b) a true game changer on the field, neither guy fits the bill in both categories.

As far as minter goes, He's been rising for some time now al he needs to do is show and prove at the combine and I honeslty don't see him past 20. Surely a 3-4 team or a 4-3 team will take him after T'eo, same for Reid. Mark Barron went 7th a year ago, ( I am not saying reid is a better prospect than barron was coming out ) but teams are always looking for that guy to be the play making last line of defense in a passing league. I also don't see him going past 20. I think we are drafting mid to late 20's so you could be right, we will see.

rainierjef
11-27-2012, 06:16 PM
Tank Carradine tore his ACL....Went from a possible 1st round pick to imo maybe a 3rd at best
3rd is generous, depending on the severity of the tear and any pertinent history, he could slide farther than that.

rainierjef
11-27-2012, 06:21 PM
Joseph Fauria had another marvelous game albeit in a losing effort.. He scored yet again, and put up WR type stat line yet again.. At 4catches 61yrds 1td vs a super tough stanford D... Hes scored in 7outta8 games, and i will trust 100pct that our coaches can get maximum potential outta his 6ft 7in 255lb frame towards becoming a solid NFL blocker.. If we need a TE or go a diffrent direction in 1st rd, i'd consider Fauria in 2nd or 3rd... Hes really good..
You would take fauria in the first? I have seen limited tape on him, only because i have been bias and following Eifert like a hawk. How is his blocking, cause right now i have Eifert as the most improved blocking TE coming out this year followed by Toilolo and Ertz.

BlueSanta
11-27-2012, 07:33 PM
You would take fauria in the first? I have seen limited tape on him, only because i have been bias and following Eifert like a hawk. How is his blocking, cause right now i have Eifert as the most improved blocking TE coming out this year followed by Toilolo and Ertz.

No He isnt a 1st round talent. He is a decent prospect tho. I think he might still be growing into his long frame as well. I read 1 scouting report that said he might actually be over 6'8"

I think he is a very good red zone target and would likely go in the 3rd round area. NYC and I discussed him a couple pages back. He has a couple concerns, but also has some nice upside.

BlueSanta
11-27-2012, 07:35 PM
Tank Carradine tore his ACL....Went from a possible 1st round pick to imo maybe a 3rd at best I actually love him as a prospect, but I always questioned him as 1st round talent mostly because he accomplished his good numbers vs 1 on 1 situations. Werner got way more attention in the form of chip blocks and added TEs to his side than Tank did. Still, Tank took advantage of it and will be a very good DE. He is very stout at the point of attack too. 1 strong dude.

slipknottin
11-27-2012, 09:28 PM
Wouldnt mind taking Tank in the mid rounds, giants have the depth to IR him for the year.

nycsportzfan
11-27-2012, 10:36 PM
Neither of these guys are top 20 picks, so for rainierjef to feel they wouldn't be there in the late 20's I thought was a little assumptious.

Both Reid and Minter play postions where to be high 1st round picks you really have to be a.) a special height/weight/speed specimen and b) a true game changer on the field, neither guy fits the bill in both categories. Eric Reid could easily end up going in the top 20-25 picks.. Minter most likely would just sneak into RD 1, but its 100pct a possibility, especially the way hes played the past several wks, and all season for that matter.. Hes been a consistent force all yr long, and people are noticing.. I would be more suprirsed if he goes past the first 5 picks in the 2nd rd, then if hes still on the board..

nycsportzfan
11-27-2012, 10:42 PM
You would take fauria in the first? I have seen limited tape on him, only because i have been bias and following Eifert like a hawk. How is his blocking, cause right now i have Eifert as the most improved blocking TE coming out this year followed by Toilolo and Ertz. He-ll no i woulden't take em in the 1st!!!!lol Where'd u get that from? I said i'd consider em in the 2nd or 3rd if we didn't go TE in RD 1.. Hes scored in 7of8 games, and puts up WR numbers at 6ft 7in 255lbs(room for weight) on a daily basis. Hes not a horrible blocker by any stretch, he just needs to get alittle bit better, which isn't unusual for college players.. I mean, if he was a great blocker, he'd be easily talked about as a 1st rder, with his size, athletic ability, and being a matchup nightmare.. He had no problem against a team that simply shut down Oregon's offense.. Theres really no team in football that has stopped Fauria.. Hes avg'd less then 10yrds a catch 1time this season, and more often then not, avg's 14-15yrds a catch.. At his size, thats pretty impressivve..

nycsportzfan
11-27-2012, 10:45 PM
As far as minter goes, He's been rising for some time now al he needs to do is show and prove at the combine and I honeslty don't see him past 20. Surely a 3-4 team or a 4-3 team will take him after T'eo, same for Reid. Mark Barron went 7th a year ago, ( I am not saying reid is a better prospect than barron was coming out ) but teams are always looking for that guy to be the play making last line of defense in a passing league. I also don't see him going past 20. I think we are drafting mid to late 20's so you could be right, we will see. Ur right, Minters stocks been flying.. Its a matter of time, before its more people talking about em as a 1st rder.. He can cover, blitz, fight through traffic, hard hitter, makes plays...etc Hes pretty much a complete player...

Eric Reids stock steadily on the rise again as well.. Hes had some dud games earlier but has been pretty good for a few wk's now, and his potential is the highest of any safety in this class.. Were talking top 15 pick potential.. Size/Speed/Hard hitting..etc

nycsportzfan
11-27-2012, 10:48 PM
Fantastic Article about KEVIN MINTER and what he means to his team(full of defensive stars).. This speaks volumes to what kinda player he is...


Oct 711:06AM ETBy Gary Laney | ESPN.com Recommend3 Comments3Email Print GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- When Kevin Minter left LSU's 14-6 loss to Florida with cramps in the third quarter, LSU was leading 6-0 and had stymied Florida's offense all day.

When he came trotting out of the locker room and into the game some 20 minutes later, the Tigers were behind 7-6 and Florida was driving again.

That's the kind of impact LSU's junior middle linebacker had on the game.
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Linebacker Kevin Minter led the Tigers with 20 tackles against Florida.
His 20-tackle day was the second best effort in LSU history, one tackle short of Al Richardson's school record set in 1982. What further illustrates Minter's contribution, though, is what happened when he left the game. Seams that Florida started to find with a misdirection running game -- Minter would often close the gaps in a heartbeat and turned promising plays into minimal gains -- turned into gaping holes. A Gators running game that had struggled to find ways to piece together a couple of good plays was, all of a sudden, gashing the LSU defensive front.

"He showed up with a tremendous game to help us try to take a win," defensive end Barkevious Mingo said. "But it takes a team effort. The team should've rallied around that and got him off the field."

He did get off the field, but not in the way he wanted. With LSU's offense going three-and-out on six straight possessions, Minter, like many of his defensive teammates, wore down and Florida's running game was ready to take advantage. It forced Minter to the locker room for intravenous fluids to solve a cramping issue in both legs on a hot, muggy day.

When he came back from the IV, Florida had scored and was driving again. His return didn't immediately stop the Gators -- running back Mike Gillislee scored the second of his two touchdowns -- but the Gators didn't score again.

"They took care of me [in the training room]," said Minter, who added that both of his legs locked up. "I was fine after that."

And Minter had done so much to take care of the Tigers before he went down.

With LSU stalling on offense and the Gators abandoning their vertical passing game after five sacks in the first half, Minter had ample opportunities to make stops.

Among his tackles were three for loss. In the second quarter, he had back-to-back sacks of Florida quarterback Jeff Driskel. When the Gators did sustain a drive, Minter was there to halt it, stripping Florida's Frankie Hammond of the ball at the LSU 20, killing the drive after teammate Kwon Alexander recovered it.

"I think Kevin played his butt off," LSU coach Les Miles said. "He has given us great leadership and he is the captain of our team. He is exactly what you want from a college football player."

That Minter is earning that kind of praise on a team so full of stars is remarkable. The Tigers entered the season with NFL draft picks all over the field, starting with defensive ends Sam Montgomery and Mingo, tackle Bennie Logan and defensive backs Eric Reid and Tharold Simon.

Minter's reputation fell somewhere behind all those players on a defense that's among the best in college football.

Halfway through the schedule, it's hard to argue now that he isn't LSU's best defensive player. Already the team leader in tackles coming into the Florida game, he's now threatening to run away with the lead at 54. He leads the team with 8.5 tackles for loss and now has two sacks.

Minter, perhaps subdued by the sting of defeat, was humble when taking questions about his performance.

"I was just working hard," he said, "and doing what I could for my team."

That he was so dominant is consolation on a night when the Tigers were knocked off their preseason pedestal.

If LSU can get its woeful offense on track, the solid play from Minter could make the Tigers every bit as formidable on defense as last season, when linebacker was considered a weakness. On Saturday, Lamin Barrow and Alexander also played well and were also, at some point, knocked out of the game because of minor injuries.

As Florida found something that worked with a misdirection rushing attack, LSU was losing linebackers -- "That misdirection running game, it kind of caught us on our heels a little bit," Minter said -- and their value to the defense became more apparent.

Already formidable on the defensive line and the secondary, the Tigers are now also getting elite play at linebacker, particularly from their rising star in the middle

Redeyejedi
11-28-2012, 09:35 AM
Fantastic Article about KEVIN MINTER and what he means to his team(full of defensive stars).. This speaks volumes to what kinda player he is...


Oct 711:06AM ETBy Gary Laney | ESPN.com Recommend3 Comments3Email Print GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- When Kevin Minter left LSU's 14-6 loss to Florida with cramps in the third quarter, LSU was leading 6-0 and had stymied Florida's offense all day.

When he came trotting out of the locker room and into the game some 20 minutes later, the Tigers were behind 7-6 and Florida was driving again.

That's the kind of impact LSU's junior middle linebacker had on the game.
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Kim Klement/US Presswire
Linebacker Kevin Minter led the Tigers with 20 tackles against Florida.
His 20-tackle day was the second best effort in LSU history, one tackle short of Al Richardson's school record set in 1982. What further illustrates Minter's contribution, though, is what happened when he left the game. Seams that Florida started to find with a misdirection running game -- Minter would often close the gaps in a heartbeat and turned promising plays into minimal gains -- turned into gaping holes. A Gators running game that had struggled to find ways to piece together a couple of good plays was, all of a sudden, gashing the LSU defensive front.

"He showed up with a tremendous game to help us try to take a win," defensive end Barkevious Mingo said. "But it takes a team effort. The team should've rallied around that and got him off the field."

He did get off the field, but not in the way he wanted. With LSU's offense going three-and-out on six straight possessions, Minter, like many of his defensive teammates, wore down and Florida's running game was ready to take advantage. It forced Minter to the locker room for intravenous fluids to solve a cramping issue in both legs on a hot, muggy day.

When he came back from the IV, Florida had scored and was driving again. His return didn't immediately stop the Gators -- running back Mike Gillislee scored the second of his two touchdowns -- but the Gators didn't score again.

"They took care of me [in the training room]," said Minter, who added that both of his legs locked up. "I was fine after that."

And Minter had done so much to take care of the Tigers before he went down.

With LSU stalling on offense and the Gators abandoning their vertical passing game after five sacks in the first half, Minter had ample opportunities to make stops.

Among his tackles were three for loss. In the second quarter, he had back-to-back sacks of Florida quarterback Jeff Driskel. When the Gators did sustain a drive, Minter was there to halt it, stripping Florida's Frankie Hammond of the ball at the LSU 20, killing the drive after teammate Kwon Alexander recovered it.

"I think Kevin played his butt off," LSU coach Les Miles said. "He has given us great leadership and he is the captain of our team. He is exactly what you want from a college football player."

That Minter is earning that kind of praise on a team so full of stars is remarkable. The Tigers entered the season with NFL draft picks all over the field, starting with defensive ends Sam Montgomery and Mingo, tackle Bennie Logan and defensive backs Eric Reid and Tharold Simon.

Minter's reputation fell somewhere behind all those players on a defense that's among the best in college football.

Halfway through the schedule, it's hard to argue now that he isn't LSU's best defensive player. Already the team leader in tackles coming into the Florida game, he's now threatening to run away with the lead at 54. He leads the team with 8.5 tackles for loss and now has two sacks.

Minter, perhaps subdued by the sting of defeat, was humble when taking questions about his performance.

"I was just working hard," he said, "and doing what I could for my team."

That he was so dominant is consolation on a night when the Tigers were knocked off their preseason pedestal.

If LSU can get its woeful offense on track, the solid play from Minter could make the Tigers every bit as formidable on defense as last season, when linebacker was considered a weakness. On Saturday, Lamin Barrow and Alexander also played well and were also, at some point, knocked out of the game because of minor injuries.

As Florida found something that worked with a misdirection rushing attack, LSU was losing linebackers -- "That misdirection running game, it kind of caught us on our heels a little bit," Minter said -- and their value to the defense became more apparent.

Already formidable on the defensive line and the secondary, the Tigers are now also getting elite play at linebacker, particularly from their rising star in the middle

heres the FL game


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybIpxUVefo

nycsportzfan
11-28-2012, 10:19 AM
heres the FL game


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybIpxUVefo THank U sir! Fantastic!

nycsportzfan
11-28-2012, 10:37 AM
Whats everyone's take on Mike Gilislee RB Fla?? In fact, whats everyones take on the rb class this yr? If Eddie Lacy , Joseph Randle, Giovani Bernard, and Leveon Bell come out, to go with Steph Taylor, Montee Ball, Kenjon Barner, Jonathan Franklin, and Christine Michael, Mike Gillislee whos the best??

I'm having kind a tough time judging this yrs RB class.. I almost would want to wait and see who falls, because i think most of those guys are tough to distinguish, exactly whos the better value.. I forgot Andre Ellington, even though hes not that impressive to me...

If i had my choice, i'd probably go Eddie Lacy, Steph Taylor, Giovani Bernard, Montee Ball, Mike Gillislee,Kenjon Barner, Joseph Randle, Jonathan Franklin, Leveon Bell, Christine Michael, and Andre Ellington , in that order.. Thats just me personally.. Stephon Taylor is the most underrated RB in this class i believe, all though Jonathan Franklin is pretty underrated as well.. I do think we could use a bruiser back if we don't bring Brown back, and a guy like Eddie Lacy to go with David Wilson is mighty scary.. obviously we probably got bigger fish to fry, so RB early where Lacy would go, is probably outta the question..

RB is crazy this yr, and its not quite the class of last yr, by any stetch..

BlueSanta
11-28-2012, 12:31 PM
Whats everyone's take on Mike Gilislee RB Fla??

He is a very good interior runner. Extremely patient.

rainierjef
11-29-2012, 12:56 AM
I think we need... correction. It would be wise to take a RB somewhere in the mid-late rounds; more mid than late. Not sure If Bradshaw's legs can hold up as a full time starter, Andre Brown is starting to collect leg injuries that are wear and tear injuries ( meaning never 100% and will resurface upon high impact activity) and we don't know what we have with Scott. I might be being a little hasty as there are more pressing needs.

rainierjef
11-29-2012, 03:21 AM
flash back in time a little. " boy were we all wrong." =/
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102539/article/rolando-mcclain-booted-from-oakland-raiders-practice

I know I was.

juice33s
11-29-2012, 04:37 AM
flash back in time a little. " boy were we all wrong." =/
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102539/article/rolando-mcclain-booted-from-oakland-raiders-practice

I know I was.
I wasn't, I thought he was more of a 2nd round talent that was being over hyped because he was coming from such a great program. He's nowhere near the athlete that Patrick Willis, or even Luke Kuechly were, yet he was drafted like he was that kind of guy. Also I think he was more of a 3/4 LB that got miscast as a 4/3 guy, he even said predraft that he prefered the 3/4

Redeyejedi
11-29-2012, 08:45 AM
I think the Giants were happy when Mcclain was picked because they didnt have to explain the pick to the fanbase ,I think they wanted Paul all along.

Redeyejedi
11-29-2012, 09:32 AM
I was high on Titus Young coming out of the draft but take a look at this

Lions benched Titus Young for sabotaging their passing offense

Per Birkett, Young purposely lined up in the wrong place on the field “multiple times” during the Lions’ Week Eleven loss to Green Bay. He also “mouthed off” to receivers coach Shawn Jefferson before being benched for the final possession. Apparently upset that he wasn’t getting enough passes thrown his way, Young responded by attempting to sabotage the Lions’ passing offense.

Young’s teammates understandably don’t have his back anymore; top wideout Calvin Johnson indicated after the Thanksgiving game that he anticipates the Lions moving forward with rookie Ryan Broyles and newly acquired Mike Thomas in the lineup.

“It was nice to see some new playmakers in there making plays,” Johnson told the Detroit News. “We are going to keep progressing with these new guys in our receiver group.”

Imgrate
11-29-2012, 09:40 AM
I was high on Titus Young coming out of the draft but take a look at thisLions benched Titus Young for sabotaging their passing offensePer Birkett, Young purposely lined up in the wrong place on the field “multiple times” during the Lions’ Week Eleven loss to Green Bay. He also “mouthed off” to receivers coach Shawn Jefferson before being benched for the final possession. Apparently upset that he wasn’t getting enough passes thrown his way, Young responded by attempting to sabotage the Lions’ passing offense.Young’s teammates understandably don’t have his back anymore; top wideout Calvin Johnson indicated after the Thanksgiving game that he anticipates the Lions moving forward with rookie Ryan Broyles and newly acquired Mike Thomas in the lineup.“It was nice to see some new playmakers in there making plays,” Johnson told the Detroit News. “We are going to keep progressing with these new guys in our receiver group.”That's crazy. hard to believe that a NFL player would do that. As for McClain, I am fully opposed to taking a mlb in the first round. The situation would have to be ideal. There was a time jpp was being projected as the number 3 pick that year. Jpp and spiller were the guys I think we wanted. Of course, I wouldn't have liked the spiller pick either, most likely.

nycsportzfan
11-29-2012, 10:33 AM
I was high on Titus Young coming out of the draft but take a look at this

Lions benched Titus Young for sabotaging their passing offense

Per Birkett, Young purposely lined up in the wrong place on the field “multiple times” during the Lions’ Week Eleven loss to Green Bay. He also “mouthed off” to receivers coach Shawn Jefferson before being benched for the final possession. Apparently upset that he wasn’t getting enough passes thrown his way, Young responded by attempting to sabotage the Lions’ passing offense.

Young’s teammates understandably don’t have his back anymore; top wideout Calvin Johnson indicated after the Thanksgiving game that he anticipates the Lions moving forward with rookie Ryan Broyles and newly acquired Mike Thomas in the lineup.

“It was nice to see some new playmakers in there making plays,” Johnson told the Detroit News. “We are going to keep progressing with these new guys in our receiver group.” What a slimey piece of human waste!

nycsportzfan
11-29-2012, 10:42 AM
I think the Giants were happy when Mcclain was picked because they didnt have to explain the pick to the fanbase ,I think they wanted Paul all along. I was a big McClain guy myself.. I thought he was the Manti Te'o type exception that would be bigger for a 3/4, but moves around good enough to do the things nessecary to excel in either set(4/3-3/4)..

i was one of the rare ones on here that stuck up for JPP leading toward the draft, as most on here didn't want em at all, because of his expierence, and most of the praise for him coming on potential.. I delved deeper to find out things about him when he was in Jr College that fascinated me, like going to the hospital and having to have his helmet cut off, and then begging to go back to the game,a nd getting a doctors note to bring back to the game .. Showed the kinda class and determenation he had, and that was in a Jr College game!!!lol Also, i thought his production at S.FLA in only his first major season of Bigtime college football showed the signs of a player that was gonna only get better.. 6.5sacks and a bunch of TFL.. Now if that was yr 3 or something, maybe i'd wonder, but the fact he did that right outta the gates, and that Jr College story , and his motor to go with that build and athletic ability were enough to make me a believer..

Obviously Earl Thomas was my first choice, but i had no problems at all with JPP.. I either wanted Mike Iupati(whos been really good by the way), Earl Thomas, JPP, or McClain.. I wasne't a fan of Cj Spiller, for pickign where we were, and never thought he'd be a workhorse, toat the load type back, without getting injurys galore.. Not my type of back to take that early.. Guys like Trent Richardson, Marshawyn Lycnh, AP, are the kinda backs i prefer in the front half of RD 1...

slipknottin
11-29-2012, 10:59 AM
Rumors that honey badger is going to declare for the draft. Bet he goes 7th round or ubdrafted. Interviews are critical for him

juice33s
11-29-2012, 11:51 AM
Rumors that honey badger is going to declare for the draft. Bet he goes 7th round or ubdrafted. Interviews are critical for him
Kiper and Mcshay are projecting him as a 3rd-4th rounder.

Eitherway I want him. I don't care if the percentages say he'll flame out and remain a malcontent, I love watching this guy play football

BlueSanta
11-29-2012, 01:00 PM
I either wanted Mike Iupati(whos been really good by the way), Earl Thomas, JPP, or McClain.. I wasne't a fan of Cj Spiller, for pickign where we were, and never thought he'd be a workhorse, toat the load type back, without getting injurys galore.. Not my type of back to take that early.. Guys like Trent Richardson, Marshawyn Lycnh, AP, are the kinda backs i prefer in the front half of RD 1...

That was the guy(Lupati) I thought we were gonna take when our pick rolled up, possibly Pouncey.

If you believe the articles, then it was CJ that Reese had his eye on. I was ok with almost all the guys you mentioned, but there was another guy who was widely suspected who I was not ok with and that was Derrick Morgan. A lot of this board felt we would take him over JPP, I was very vocal about JPP over Morgan.

I was wrong about some guys, like McClain. I also didnt want us to take Witherspoon, who has turned out quite well but my reasoning was sound. I felt Daryl Washington was just as good and was being very undervalued by scouts. I felt where he was being projected he was a better value.

The thing about McClain tho, and I am not saying he is good, but it is very hard to say a guy is a flop when he fails with the raiders. Over the last 2 decades how many great prospects has that organization chewed up and spit out? They are the worst developers of talent in the NFL. Its not even close. They throw rookies into the lineup on day 1, then change coaches and systems every other year. I have said for years, the Raiders are the organizatrion where Talent goes to die. They can go there out draft or as a free agent, it doesnt matter. McClain may never live up to his billing, but he could very easily move onto another team and prove to be a very good player. Furthermore, who knows how he would have turned out had he been drafted by an organization that actually develops and coaches it players up.

slipknottin
11-29-2012, 01:14 PM
Kiper and Mcshay are projecting him as a 3rd-4th rounder.

Eitherway I want him. I don't care if the percentages say he'll flame out and remain a malcontent, I love watching this guy play football

They are also both saying Teo is going first overall. Idiots the both of them

rainierjef
11-29-2012, 02:16 PM
I think the Giants were happy when Mcclain was picked because they didnt have to explain the pick to the fanbase ,I think they wanted Paul all along.

I can agree with this.
Its noy like the kid was a slouch coming out of college, like some posters allude too in the Mcclain thread on tue regular forums. The kid was a top 10 pick by every major analyst, and rightfully so the measurables we great, the proday confirmed his skill/ athleticisim/ ability along with his production in college. Yes we don't draft need but we lost pierce the season before, and we were in the blind with goff and blackburn. Its not beyond the stretch of reality that the giants were high on this guy, and had he been there I think they would of taken the pro ready prospect over the raw prospect. Glad it turned out the way it did, as i for one was not thrilled with the JPP pick. Not cause of the player, but we were stacked at the position.

rainierjef
11-29-2012, 09:12 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102780/article/tyrann-mathieu-honey-badger-eyes-2013-nfl-draft

At what round do you guys think he's worth a selection? I think if he's there in the late 4th- mid 5th round. Why not!
Issue's aside he fits well in our system, he will not be a NFL corner by any means but he can convert to Safety, and come down in the nickle.
If its any organization that can turn a guy around is this one.

Redeyejedi
11-30-2012, 01:38 AM
Kiper and Mcshay are projecting him as a 3rd-4th rounder.

Eitherway I want him. I don't care if the percentages say he'll flame out and remain a malcontent, I love watching this guy play footballwouldnt take him there but if he was there late 6th or so his special teams value alone is worth that

BlueSanta
11-30-2012, 01:39 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102780/article/tyrann-mathieu-honey-badger-eyes-2013-nfl-draft

At what round do you guys think he's worth a selection? I think if he's there in the late 4th- mid 5th round. Why not!
Issue's aside he fits well in our system, he will not be a NFL corner by any means but he can convert to Safety, and come down in the nickle.
If its any organization that can turn a guy around is this one.

His behavior has been so bad. I just dont see the Giants being interested in him, he is not good at behaviing himself when a mic is put in front of him and in no city in the NFL does a guy get more mics put in front of his face. He has a history of being a twitter idiot too.

I have other concerns:

He is to small to play safety. He is physical for his size, but that wont matter on a jump ball to a TE over the middle of the field.

He has very suspect press cover skills and therefor isnt really a corner either. He was always the 2nd or 3rd cover option for LSU. They always had other corners to play against opposing team's #1 guy. 2012 was supposed to be the year we go to see this guy play more cover. In 2011, his postion was much closer to safety, which I dont think he is in the NFL. Big safeties are a must with TEs being used in the passing game more now than ever.

A year off from football is hard to recover from. Truthfully, it is more than a year, closer to 2. We have seen this with Marvin Austin. It adds just that much more risk to the equation. How long will it take for him to get back into football? if he ever does.The combine will help determine if he still has kept himself in shape, but it cant really helps us know if his football readiness will be there.

Finally, there are the drugs. There are a lot of reports that he was kicked for repeated drug offenses. After his dismissal from the team, he entered extended rehab only to quit 2 week later and return to school giving up any hope of returning to football for LSU in 2013. A month later he was arrested for possession. I am sorry, but this kids behavior is idiotic. I do not see it improving once he gets a lot of money in his wallet to do with as he pleases.

I know he was a ball hawk. I know he was exciting as can be. I just dont think he is a guy the Giants will want. His biggest value is as a return guy / special teamer.

GiantSquirrel26
11-30-2012, 05:20 AM
I wouldn't touch Mathieu with a ten foot pole! Honestly he has tremendous athletic ability but he isn't that great of a corner as people have reported before and he's not physical enough to be a safety so that throws that out. The only reason he's worth looking at is because of his return skills, which the rookie combo of Wilson and Randle (excuse his last game) seems to working out well.

Redeyejedi
11-30-2012, 08:39 AM
Matheiu has value on Special teams as a return man and a gunner. Guys can turn it around Will Hill has

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 08:40 AM
Kiper and Mcshay are projecting him as a 3rd-4th rounder.

Eitherway I want him. I don't care if the percentages say he'll flame out and remain a malcontent, I love watching this guy play football


I was a big McClain guy myself.. I thought he was the Manti Te'o type exception that would be bigger for a 3/4, but moves around good enough to do the things nessecary to excel in either set(4/3-3/4)..

i was one of the rare ones on here that stuck up for JPP leading toward the draft, as most on here didn't want em at all, because of his expierence, and most of the praise for him coming on potential.. I delved deeper to find out things about him when he was in Jr College that fascinated me, like going to the hospital and having to have his helmet cut off, and then begging to go back to the game,a nd getting a doctors note to bring back to the game .. Showed the kinda class and determenation he had, and that was in a Jr College game!!!lol Also, i thought his production at S.FLA in only his first major season of Bigtime college football showed the signs of a player that was gonna only get better.. 6.5sacks and a bunch of TFL.. Now if that was yr 3 or something, maybe i'd wonder, but the fact he did that right outta the gates, and that Jr College story , and his motor to go with that build and athletic ability were enough to make me a believer..

Obviously Earl Thomas was my first choice, but i had no problems at all with JPP.. I either wanted Mike Iupati(whos been really good by the way), Earl Thomas, JPP, or McClain.. I wasne't a fan of Cj Spiller, for pickign where we were, and never thought he'd be a workhorse, toat the load type back, without getting injurys galore.. Not my type of back to take that early.. Guys like Trent Richardson, Marshawyn Lycnh, AP, are the kinda backs i prefer in the front half of RD 1...


That's crazy. hard to believe that a NFL player would do that. As for McClain, I am fully opposed to taking a mlb in the first round. The situation would have to be ideal. There was a time jpp was being projected as the number 3 pick that year. Jpp and spiller were the guys I think we wanted. Of course, I wouldn't have liked the spiller pick either, most likely. TO me, most didn't like JPP, because u had seen so many guys with this Pass Rush potential end up duds, and people just felt JPP was next in line to be that way.. Guys like Aaron Maybin, Vernon Gholston, Jarvis Moss, Derrick Harvey, Quentin Moses, just 2 name a few..

I understand why some were scared of em, but if u just delved deeper and watched the kid play consistently, it was clear as day he had a non stop motor to go with that unmatched athletic ability, and he was just tipping the iceberg.. In the begginging, months before the draft , i was with the consensus, but nearing the draft, i converted over to liking JPP as a prospect, pretty heavily.. Sometimes u just have a feeling, and that story about him having his helmet cut off and litteraly taking a cab back to the game( i think it was a cab?), and going through all the trouble to get back into a Jr College game, was what tipped my hat into his favor.. To me, that was all u needed to know about what kinda player and person he is, and how much he loves to be ont he field.. Most of these guys miss games like theres no tommorow ..

One of the most important things in a player is his desire to be on the field and how much he cares about being on the losing side.. If it dosen't eat em up , then i simply don't want em.. If a guy thinks its OK to take plays off, then i don't want em... JPP is a breed that is dying out, and whenever we have a chance to get a guy who hustles like him, i'm all for it.. U add in his physical tools, and its a no brainer..

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 08:41 AM
shoot, i multi quoted multiple posts..lol My bad..lol

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 08:43 AM
Charlie Campbell's latest mocks out, and hes got a decent mock for us, all though i'm not fond of his 3rd rd pick of michael bucchanan de/olb illinois, when he had baccari rambo going 1pick later..

His 1st 2rds, i was more then fine with..

1. Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame- I just mocked him 2 us in my latest mock..
2. Brennan Williams OT UNC- makes a ton of senese, and could be steal, as hes only dropping because of injury..
3. Michael Buccahan OLB/DE Illinois- Don't like it, and don't like the player much.. Not a ideal fit, especially with Baccari Rambo on the board still...

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 09:11 AM
Anyone catch Khaseem Greene last night? That kid is freaking awesome!

Redeyejedi
11-30-2012, 10:07 AM
Anyone catch Khaseem Greene last night? That kid is freaking awesome!Yeah he is a great player. That was a BS 15 yard penalty called on him. The guy was running full speed down the sideline and a piece of his foot went out. The guy keeps running full speed down the sideline Greene hits him and they throw a flag. How the hell was Greene supposed to see that, blow the whistle.


Rutgers is a team full of Chokers. Every big game they just collapse its pathetic.

Tim Wright had 2 killer drops, the 1st 1 he was wide open for a TD and he took the eye of the ball. The 2nd he tried to body catch the ball it hit his chest popped in the air its picked off

They fake a FG to DC Jefferson who scores a TD that would of made it 21-3 but its called back on a OLineman down field.

After Louisville makes it 14-10 they fumble the KO..

Next play Logan RYan has good coverage but the safety doesnt stick the WR with a hit for some reason and its caught for a TD.

Its 20-17 and Brandon Coleman reads Cover 3 "Which it is" Somehow Gary Nova doesnt see itand throws the ball downfield to no 1 that gets picked off .Coleman who read the defense right had 15-20 yards easy if Nova reads it right

GOBLUE24
11-30-2012, 12:21 PM
Barret Jones is a guy Im looking for the Giants to draft in the first. Ive seen him as high as 15 and some out of the first. i think the giants will be drafting late in the first.He adds a load of depth as he has played everywhere on the line. The line has seen its problems this year and needs to get younger. Im not sold on Brewer or any of the backup lineman. I love what diehl has done for the Giants but the tank is running low. Oline is a major need.

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 01:31 PM
Barret Jones is a guy Im looking for the Giants to draft in the first. Ive seen him as high as 15 and some out of the first. i think the giants will be drafting late in the first.He adds a load of depth as he has played everywhere on the line. The line has seen its problems this year and needs to get younger. Im not sold on Brewer or any of the backup lineman. I love what diehl has done for the Giants but the tank is running low. Oline is a major need. Barrett Jones fits like a glove seemingly into our Oline, and i also really like him.. To be honest, hes a guy i'd watch out for, and could see Jerry Reese have a ton of intrest in..

Oday Aboushi and Jake Mathews are 2 guys i think Reese will be heavily intersted in as well.. And 2 a lesser degree, Brennan Williams and Ricky Wagner.. But i got a feeling, either Mathews, B.Jones, or Aboushi could end up in Blue...

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 01:36 PM
I can't wait to watch Jordan Lynch vs Dri Archer tonight.. Jordan Lynch really should get some Heisman votes, as hes thrown for 23tds and only 4picks, while rushing for 1611yrd 16tds as well.. Thats disgusting! And if he wins tonight, he'll have only a 1pt loss to IOWA to tarnish the teams record.. Dri Archer is explosive, and i think someone takes a shot on him in first 2-3rds when he comes out... Brian Winters OT Kent St is one of my biggest Sleeper Olineman and i could see him sneak into the 3rd rd by draft time, if not the 4th-5th range for sure.. Versatile player, who i'd love to get if we don't get a OT/G type earlier.. Reminds me of TJ Lang from a couple yrs ago at E.Michigan, who went in the 4th rd to Packers, and has been productive, reliable player...

A underrated WR in this game, who i've seen for a couple yrs now, as i was a big Chandler Harnish fan as well, is Martel Moore.. Hes not overly big, but is a deep threat, and has really good hands, and is a diffrence maker.. Hes got over 1000yrds and double digit TD's all ready this season as the Huskies go 2 WR... Hes got some Mario Manningham in him, for sure... I could see him make it as a late rd, or UDF and make some noise in camp, and possibly make a team..

Obviously Stan/UCLA is tonight, but that No.Ill/ Kent St game is gonna be insane..

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 01:43 PM
Joseph Fauria vs Zach Ertz rematch tonight ladies and gentelman! Both did really well last time they faced eachother.. Fauria trying to catch the 2nd ranked TE in most draft sites, and all though it seems like a tall order, could possibly do so with a monster game , as hes been brilliant this yr.. Albeit, Ertz hasen't been losing much ground, as hes been pretty stellar himself..

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 01:45 PM
wow, Matt Barkley didn't make 1st or 2nd team ALL PAC10..lol marcus mariota and matt scott got the honors.. Pretty sad when u can't get best QB in ur own division, let alone 2nd best, and u want to be picked top 10.. Oh ya, and u got Marquis Lee, Robert Woods, Silas Redd, Khaled Holmes, Curtis McNeal, Nelson Aghular, and Xavier Grimble on ur side..lol

GOBLUE24
11-30-2012, 04:54 PM
Ny im too lazy to look back who you like at CB i know your a big fan of rambo at safety. just wondering as it might be time to let cwebb walk if a deal cant be restructured. A guy I think could be a stud is austin in this offense.

BlueSanta
11-30-2012, 05:43 PM
Joseph Fauria vs Zach Ertz rematch tonight ladies and gentelman! Both did really well last time they faced eachother.. Fauria trying to catch the 2nd ranked TE in most draft sites, and all though it seems like a tall order, could possibly do so with a monster game , as hes been brilliant this yr.. Albeit, Ertz hasen't been losing much ground, as hes been pretty stellar himself..

I like Fauria, but I dont see him catching Ertz in draft status. Imho Ertz is more in competition with Efiert for the #1 TE than he is in a competition with Fauria for the #2.

RangerMgr
11-30-2012, 06:09 PM
What do you think of Giovani Bernard? He has had a great year at North Carolina. Way over 1,000 yards while missing 2.5 games.
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bigblue2088
11-30-2012, 07:32 PM
Tyrann Mathieu is declaring for the draft.. Should we??

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 09:46 PM
Ny im too lazy to look back who you like at CB i know your a big fan of rambo at safety. just wondering as it might be time to let cwebb walk if a deal cant be restructured. A guy I think could be a stud is austin in this offense. I'm a huge Jordan Poyer CB Org St fan! A playmaker with solid size and man skills... THe kid is really athletic, also played some baseball..etc Hes moved up 2 people having em right at the edge of 1st rd.. Walts buddy and Walt have em going 1st pick of 2nd rd to Jags...

I also love Xavier Rhodes Size/Potential combonation.. Jonahtan Banks and Millner can both play.. Terry Hawthorne is a guy who i like outside the top crop, as well as Leon McFadden of San Diego St.. Its a nice crop of CB this yr, in my opinion..


Notre Dames got a sleeper i like in the late rds who i think is gonna be really solid.. Bennett Jackson..

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 11:38 PM
wow, this MAC champ game is crazy! No Ill had it wrapped and then with less then 4min to go fumbled on a mishap and Kent St returned it to score there 2nd TD in 30seconds or so to tie it up and then No Ill went down and scored a TD real qucik and Kent came back and had a drive to tie it up and bring it to OT.. They both hit FG's in 1st OT and thats where were at... No Ill has really shot themselves in the foot..

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 11:40 PM
Jordan Lynch with the RUSH TD to give NO ILL a TD lead with Kent st's possesion yet to come in 2nd OT.. Jordan Lynch is freaking insane!

nycsportzfan
11-30-2012, 11:50 PM
Whats everyone's take on Mike Gilislee RB Fla?? In fact, whats everyones take on the rb class this yr? If Eddie Lacy , Joseph Randle, Giovani Bernard, and Leveon Bell come out, to go with Steph Taylor, Montee Ball, Kenjon Barner, Jonathan Franklin, and Christine Michael, Mike Gillislee whos the best??

I'm having kind a tough time judging this yrs RB class.. I almost would want to wait and see who falls, because i think most of those guys are tough to distinguish, exactly whos the better value.. I forgot Andre Ellington, even though hes not that impressive to me...

If i had my choice, i'd probably go Eddie Lacy, Steph Taylor, Giovani Bernard, Montee Ball, Mike Gillislee,Kenjon Barner, Joseph Randle, Jonathan Franklin, Leveon Bell, Christine Michael, and Andre Ellington , in that order.. Thats just me personally.. Stephon Taylor is the most underrated RB in this class i believe, all though Jonathan Franklin is pretty underrated as well.. I do think we could use a bruiser back if we don't bring Brown back, and a guy like Eddie Lacy to go with David Wilson is mighty scary.. obviously we probably got bigger fish to fry, so RB early where Lacy would go, is probably outta the question..

RB is crazy this yr, and its not quite the class of last yr, by any stetch.. The underrated Jonathan Franklin flat out dismantling Stanfords defense! Just dismantling em! 15carry 173yrds 2tds! Jesus!!!lol So much for that vaunted Stanford D..lol Thats what u get for taking a team for granted becuase u beat em last wk handedly.. Morons!

BlueSanta
12-01-2012, 12:29 AM
The underrated Jonathan Franklin flat out dismantling Stanfords defense! Just dismantling em! 15carry 173yrds 2tds! Jesus!!!lol So much for that vaunted Stanford D..lol Thats what u get for taking a team for granted becuase u beat em last wk handedly.. Morons!

I dont think he is underrated anymore. I think everyone is talking about him. He runs very well and always falls forward too.

nycsportzfan
12-01-2012, 07:12 AM
I dont think he is underrated anymore. I think everyone is talking about him. He runs very well and always falls forward too.ya, i believe he is definetly not a underrated player anymore..lol Kinda hard after u dismantle one of the best defenses in college football...lol

nycsportzfan
12-01-2012, 07:15 AM
man, Brett Hundley QB UCLA is a kid to watch out for down the rd.. Hes got the measurables that Evertte Golson does not have, as well... A couple of FRESHMAN QB's to kinda watch progress, and see where there stock takes em over the next 4yrs... I think Hundley ends up a 1st or 2nd rd pick when said and done, personally...

Imgrate
12-01-2012, 01:13 PM
C-usa championship game on right now. I can almost guarantee there will be a guy from this game in our training camp. Happens every year.

nycsportzfan
12-01-2012, 02:13 PM
C-usa championship game on right now. I can almost guarantee there will be a guy from this game in our training camp. Happens every year. As long as it isn't one of there idiot QB's.. These guys miss wideopen WR's like its going outta style

nycsportzfan
12-01-2012, 02:15 PM
Landry Jones playing how Landry Jones plays against a decent defense, and thats like a deer in head lights.. Only way hes good in the pros is if he plays the Bucs pass defense every wk.. I coulden't imagine that dude against hte 9ers, Ravens, or even Giants.. Yuck!

Imgrate
12-01-2012, 02:24 PM
As long as it isn't one of there idiot QB's.. These guys miss wideopen WR's like its going outta styleLol, funny story. I beat ucf qb, Blake bortles, in a flag football game last year.

teaneck
12-01-2012, 04:03 PM
Looking into this TCU OU game ( I go to TCU) I like Maponga, hes having a bad year but hes getting decent pressure against a good offensive front. Missed that EASY pick, but i think that he's a value player for us to look at in this years draft. I think hes the 11th ranked DE in 2013 or 2014 I don't remember the blog

teaneck
12-01-2012, 04:03 PM
also look at # 95 Fields. Dudes a beast. True Freshman.

BlueSanta
12-01-2012, 04:33 PM
Landry Jones playing how Landry Jones plays against a decent defense, and thats like a deer in head lights.. Only way hes good in the pros is if he plays the Bucs pass defense every wk.. I coulden't imagine that dude against hte 9ers, Ravens, or even Giants.. Yuck!

Yep, I agree. You watch him vs good defenses and it appears he doesnt know how to throw off his front foot.

juice33s
12-01-2012, 06:21 PM
How bout Ogletree's stick on Lacey at the goaline!? Having a great game so far, probably sealing his first round draft grade.....The guys going to test through the roof at the combine

nycsportzfan
12-01-2012, 06:58 PM
Lol, funny story. I beat ucf qb, Blake bortles, in a flag football game last year. Come on, seriously???lol Thats awesome!!!lol I'll tell ya what, that Trey Watts RB Tulsa kid has some game to em...

Redeyejedi
12-01-2012, 08:16 PM
Giants, Falcons, Lions, Rams, Vikings and Bears have scouts in attendance for KState v Texas. #NFLDraft

rainierjef
12-01-2012, 09:03 PM
Milliner was a top 20 prospect did he bump himself up today? I think so, even before the suspected INT.

Imgrate
12-01-2012, 09:05 PM
Come on, seriously???lol Thats awesome!!!lol I'll tell ya what, that Trey Watts RB Tulsa kid has some game to em...Yea. Charity event for united way

bigblue2088
12-01-2012, 09:16 PM
so no Tyrann Mathieu..?

rainierjef
12-01-2012, 09:30 PM
so no Tyrann Mathieu..?
I think if he's there mid 5th round to late 6th you take a chance on him. I think he can play safety in the league, he might need to bulk up a bit to deal with TE's, he can most definitely play the nickle in our 3 safety set.


Expect Jerry jones to select him though

BlueSanta
12-02-2012, 12:17 AM
I know they lost, but today was the 1st time I saw the Texas defense play the way they were supposed to. Some of their talent has been hiding this season, not today.

nycsportzfan
12-02-2012, 11:12 AM
I know they lost, but today was the 1st time I saw the Texas defense play the way they were supposed to. Some of their talent has been hiding this season, not today. announcers were raving about Kenny Vaccaro's play over the past several weeks.. I think hes the top rated saftey out there, as far as the draft people have.. I know u were dissapointed in his tackling against W.VA(jefferson was real bad against w.va as well), but Vaccaro has been as sound a tackler as theres been at S in the country... I really like em..

Not as much as my guy, Baccari Rambo though!!!! YA!!!!lol

nycsportzfan
12-02-2012, 11:14 AM
Nigel Malone CB K.ST can flat out play.. Hes got great instincts and i think he'll go alittle earlier then some think.. I mocked em 2 us a handful of times probably, but was worried about his size, but i'm not so worried about that, because if he gains like 5lbs , he'll be 5ft 10in 190lbs, and thats decent enough..

nycsportzfan
12-02-2012, 11:16 AM
Giants, Falcons, Lions, Rams, Vikings and Bears have scouts in attendance for KState v Texas. #NFLDraft Thats good, becasue theres quite a few guys i liked in that game.. From Vaccaro to Malone, to Okafor to Arthur Brown..

BlueSanta
12-02-2012, 04:29 PM
announcers were raving about Kenny Vaccaro's play over the past several weeks.. I think hes the top rated saftey out there, as far as the draft people have.. I know u were dissapointed in his tackling against W.VA(jefferson was real bad against w.va as well), but Vaccaro has been as sound a tackler as theres been at S in the country... I really like em..

Not as much as my guy, Baccari Rambo though!!!! YA!!!!lol

Kenny is a good player, but he had more bad games than just that WVA game where he got torched. There was a whole stretch of bad play there. In particular, that Oklahoma game. Remember what we were saying about Laundry Jones yesterday and how he plays poorly against good defenses? Well he had a GREAT day vs Texas and picked on Vaccaro quite a bit.

I also wasnt a big fan of Kenny's early season criticism of Texas fans not being loud enough. That showed immaturity to me. It was a minor thing, but it still showed he might have some maturing to do. The 1 thing you NEVER do as a player is criticize your fanbase.

I would also note that while he is a good safety moving forward and tackling. But, I do not think he made enough plays in the passing game this year. Not by a LONG shot. Teams didnt shy away from him either. He was given every opportunity to get some INTs, passes defended and pass breakups, yet he really didnt do much of any of that. Last night was his best game, in my opinion.

nycsportzfan
12-03-2012, 10:21 AM
Kenny is a good player, but he had more bad games than just that WVA game where he got torched. There was a whole stretch of bad play there. In particular, that Oklahoma game. Remember what we were saying about Laundry Jones yesterday and how he plays poorly against good defenses? Well he had a GREAT day vs Texas and picked on Vaccaro quite a bit.

I also wasnt a big fan of Kenny's early season criticism of Texas fans not being loud enough. That showed immaturity to me. It was a minor thing, but it still showed he might have some maturing to do. The 1 thing you NEVER do as a player is criticize your fanbase.

I would also note that while he is a good safety moving forward and tackling. But, I do not think he made enough plays in the passing game this year. Not by a LONG shot. Teams didnt shy away from him either. He was given every opportunity to get some INTs, passes defended and pass breakups, yet he really didnt do much of any of that. Last night was his best game, in my opinion. See, i feel Jefferson hasen't made enough plays in either the pass or run game.. Vaccaro's been better overall..

We differ in opinion on this one. I think Vaccaro is a better overall prospect then Tony Jefferson.. I think Vaccaro is a Kenny Phillips type player, who hopefully can stay healthy, unlike KP....

I am on record as saying my boy Rambo didn't have a stellar game against Bama this past wk.. I still think hes the best S prospect in the country, and when said and done, it'll show...

nycsportzfan
12-03-2012, 10:26 AM
My boy JORDAN LYNCH gets to show off his skills in the ORANGE BOWL against FLA ST! Dude, i am stoked about that matchup!!! It's gonna be crazy to get to see Lynch against such a touted defense!

I have been saying JOrdan Lynch deserves some Heisman consideration a few days back, and to me, getting ur team into the ORANGE BOWL when ur from the MAC, and almost single handedly doing it, is not only worthy, but he should WIN..

If i was a voter, i'd certainly vote for Jordan Lynch over Manziel and Te'o.. I mean, No ILL is in the freaking ORANGE BOWL!!! Chandler Harnish coulden't even do that.. This guys run for 19TDS and over 1500yrds and threw 24TDs and almost 3000yrds with only 5picks!!! This guy is the Heisman in my opinion! I actually think its a huge mess up if he dosent' win it.. Again, doing what he did statistically while bring a MAC team to the ORANGE BOWL, which could not happen against for 50yrs for all we know, is amazing!

Its one of the most amazing things i've seen in all my yrs of watching college football, to be honest...

nycsportzfan
12-03-2012, 10:52 AM
So, outside of the BCS bowl games, what games are u guys most excited about? Obviously, i'm most excited about the Nat Champ game and the Orange bowl, but this season has more interseting bowls then i've seen in some time.. Just a fantastic list!


Heres the top 3bowls outside of the bcs bowls, i'm most excited about becuase of prospects and matchup..

1. Alamo Bowl- Oregon St VS Texas- A couple guys that are at the top or right near the top of there respective positon in my personal rankings, square off in this one, with Kenny Vaccaro at S and Jordan Poyer at CB.. Also, i'm big Alex Okafor fan as well.. 3 prospects i would love in BLUE... Its a good matchup as well, and very tough to perdict the outcome..

2. Chrick Fil A Bowl- LSU VS Clemson- Obviously a intriguing matchup, and prospect loaded.. Tahj Boyd, Sammy Watkins, Deandre Hopkins, Andre Ellington, Sam Montgomery, Eric Reid, Barkevious Mingo, Tharold Simon, Kevin Minter, just 2 name a few... Very fun matchup..

3. Outback Bowl- S.Carolina VS Michigan- Another fun matchup, with a ton of prospects.. I like S.CAR a bit in this one, but MICH could surprise and give the game****s a game...

Underrated bowl- Pinstripe Bowl- Syracuse vs W.Virginia and Holiday Bowl with UCLA vs Baylor...

nycsportzfan
12-03-2012, 10:53 AM
I'm glad purdue got bowl eligible, as i want to see Kawaan Short on the big stage..

juice33s
12-03-2012, 01:55 PM
My boy JORDAN LYNCH gets to show off his skills in the ORANGE BOWL against FLA ST! Dude, i am stoked about that matchup!!! It's gonna be crazy to get to see Lynch against such a touted defense!

I have been saying JOrdan Lynch deserves some Heisman consideration a few days back, and to me, getting ur team into the ORANGE BOWL when ur from the MAC, and almost single handedly doing it, is not only worthy, but he should WIN..

If i was a voter, i'd certainly vote for Jordan Lynch over Manziel and Te'o.. I mean, No ILL is in the freaking ORANGE BOWL!!! Chandler Harnish coulden't even do that.. This guys run for 19TDS and over 1500yrds and threw 24TDs and almost 3000yrds with only 5picks!!! This guy is the Heisman in my opinion! I actually think its a huge mess up if he dosent' win it.. Again, doing what he did statistically while bring a MAC team to the ORANGE BOWL, which could not happen against for 50yrs for all we know, is amazing!

Its one of the most amazing things i've seen in all my yrs of watching college football, to be honest...
How can you even argue against Manziel? The guy set an SEC record for yards and beat Alabama!...Nothern Illi played nobody

nycsportzfan
12-03-2012, 02:59 PM
How can you even argue against Manziel? The guy set an SEC record for yards and beat Alabama!...Nothern Illi played nobody

Jordan Lynch holds the record for most consecutive 100yrd rushing games by a QB at 11 and counting, and threw for 24tds and only 5picks, while beating everyone except a 1pt loss to Iowa... Iowa stinks i here ya, but they beat on Toledo , who beat CINCY, and took ARIZONA to OT, and they beat BALL ST, who beat S.Florida and Indiana(indiana on road no less), and the beat Kent St who beat RUTGERS in RUTGERS.. Now were talking a MAC school, not a high powered football team that has crazy rich tradition of loaded teams.. Manziel has not 1 , but 2 1sr RD OT's protecting him, and draftable RB in Christine Michale, and draftable WR in Ryan Swope, and probably top 10 pick on D in DE MOORE, and top 2rd LB in Sean Porter, and about a handful of other draftable prospects... I mean, jesus!


Jordan Lynch just broke Denard Robinson's single season record for Rushing Yrds by a QB! Denard Robinson had alot of heisman talk that yr, and can u imagiine if he threw for almost 3000yrds and 24tds and only 5picks as well???lol He'd of got it in a land slide! Jordan Lynch has carried relative unknown No Illinois team to a BCS bowl game mostly by himself, and absouluty no defense to help him out.. Hes my Heisman, if i was voting...

juice33s
12-03-2012, 04:20 PM
lol, South florida whose 3-9?, 4-8 Indiana?....They had a couple qaulity wins over the Big East I'll give you that, but what you're failing to realize is that Manziel put up identical numbers against 10x better competition

BlueSanta
12-03-2012, 04:50 PM
See, i feel Jefferson hasen't made enough plays in either the pass or run game.. Vaccaro's been better overall..

We differ in opinion on this one. I think Vaccaro is a better overall prospect then Tony Jefferson.. I think Vaccaro is a Kenny Phillips type player, who hopefully can stay healthy, unlike KP....

I am on record as saying my boy Rambo didn't have a stellar game against Bama this past wk.. I still think hes the best S prospect in the country, and when said and done, it'll show...

Well, I never mentioned Jefferson, but I do agree that KVac is a better prospect mostly because of his measurables tho. But, you say Jefferson hasnt made enough plays in either the pass or run game yet his stats are better than Kvac's. He has more passes defended, more tackles, and the same number of INTs. .

My point was that Kvac has not made nearly enough plays this year and it can't be attributed to teams throwing away from him, because they didnt. He is a good tackler.He is a decent player moving forward. But he just didnt make the plays on the back end of the defense this year for my taste. I would also like to see him fight through blocks more when around the line of scrimmage. That in particular, is where I see him falling short of guys like Rambo and Elam who fight on every play.

BlueSanta
12-03-2012, 04:57 PM
Jordan Lynch holds the record for most consecutive 100yrd rushing games by a QB at 11 and counting, and threw for 24tds and only 5picks, while beating everyone except a 1pt loss to Iowa... Iowa stinks i here ya, but they beat on Toledo , who beat CINCY, and took ARIZONA to OT, and they beat BALL ST, who beat S.Florida and Indiana(indiana on road no less), and the beat Kent St who beat RUTGERS in RUTGERS.. Now were talking a MAC school, not a high powered football team that has crazy rich tradition of loaded teams.. Manziel has not 1 , but 2 1sr RD OT's protecting him, and draftable RB in Christine Michale, and draftable WR in Ryan Swope, and probably top 10 pick on D in DE MOORE, and top 2rd LB in Sean Porter, and about a handful of other draftable prospects... I mean, jesus!


Jordan Lynch just broke Denard Robinson's single season record for Rushing Yrds by a QB! Denard Robinson had alot of heisman talk that yr, and can u imagiine if he threw for almost 3000yrds and 24tds and only 5picks as well???lol He'd of got it in a land slide! Jordan Lynch has carried relative unknown No Illinois team to a BCS bowl game mostly by himself, and absouluty no defense to help him out.. Hes my Heisman, if i was voting...

I hate the way they choose the Heisman winners. So many times it goes to the wrong guy and I absolutely hate how it doesnt go to defensive guys enough. But, I believe this year it belongs in Menzeil's hands. He had the better year vs better competition and he also had the signature moment of the season in that Defeat of Bama.

Lynch is an amazing player. I just dont think you can compare the 2, 1 having played in the SEC and the other having played vs a very weak schedule.

juice33s
12-03-2012, 06:20 PM
Well, I never mentioned Jefferson, but I do agree that KVac is a better prospect mostly because of his measurables tho. But, you say Jefferson hasnt made enough plays in either the pass or run game yet his stats are better than Kvac's. He has more passes defended, more tackles, and the same number of INTs. .

My point was that Kvac has not made nearly enough plays this year and it can't be attributed to teams throwing away from him, because they didnt. He is a good tackler.He is a decent player moving forward. But he just didnt make the plays on the back end of the defense this year for my taste. I would also like to see him fight through blocks more when around the line of scrimmage. That in particular, is where I see him falling short of guys like Rambo and Elam who fight on every play.
Where do you guy's have fresno's phillip thomas?...at 6'1" 215 with range he stacks up physically with pretty much all the high profile guys, but outshines them in production with 8int's, 3 returned for TD's and 4 sacks (This season). I've seen some highlights and he seems like a pretty complete player who is solid against the pass and the run.

He was invited to the senior bowl so I think he's a guy who could pick up some serious steam as the draft process goes on and could eventually surpass alot of these guys and be a 2nd round pick,,,,,Redeye, you know what to do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7R24OSpXVI

BlueSanta
12-03-2012, 09:17 PM
Where do you guy's have fresno's phillip thomas?...at 6'1" 215 with range he stacks up physically with pretty much all the high profile guys, but outshines them in production with 8int's, 3 returned for TD's and 4 sacks (This season). I've seen some highlights and he seems like a pretty complete player who is solid against the pass and the run.

He was invited to the senior bowl so I think he's a guy who could pick up some serious steam as the draft process goes on and could eventually surpass alot of these guys and be a 2nd round pick,,,,,Redeye, you know what to do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7R24OSpXVI

He is a kid who, for reasons beyond me, is rated as a 4th+ round prospect. He has been the best back end safety in college football this year. Of course, it isnt vs the top tier competition like some of the other big name guys and I do think his rating should be lowered because of his injury past. But, I think him being rated a 4th+ round prospect is insane. I love this safety class, guys like Elam, Rambo, Vaccaro are all solid early round prospects and im not saying Thomas will be better but I think him in the 4th is a better value than any of those other guys in the 1st.

nycsportzfan
12-03-2012, 09:43 PM
lol, South florida whose 3-9?, 4-8 Indiana?....They had a couple qaulity wins over the Big East I'll give you that, but what you're failing to realize is that Manziel put up identical numbers against 10x better competition with 100times better talent around em.. 2 u simply try to fail to see hes got 2 top 15 OT's???LOL I mean, how often's that happen?

rainierjef
12-04-2012, 01:30 AM
sigh* O-line 1-3 rounds needed

nycsportzfan
12-04-2012, 01:54 AM
sigh* O-line 1-3 rounds needed Itd be nice to get some DE"s who actually give a crud as well.. I'm kinda sick and tired of Lazy OSI and TUCK.. Those 2 gotta go.. Its inexplicable to beat GB 38-10 and then come out here and lay a egg like this.. It obvously points 100pct to being laxadazical and non motivated in my opinion... The guys who've been on the past2 SB teams need to beat feet, otuside of ELI of course, because they just don't have the same motivation to win anymore...

Toadofsteel
12-04-2012, 02:35 AM
Itd be nice to get some DE"s who actually give a crud as well.. I'm kinda sick and tired of Lazy OSI and TUCK.. Those 2 gotta go.. Its inexplicable to beat GB 38-10 and then come out here and lay a egg like this.. It obvously points 100pct to being laxadazical and non motivated in my opinion... The guys who've been on the past2 SB teams need to beat feet, otuside of OSI of course, because they just don't have the same motivation to win anymore...

The big question is this: Is Adrian Tracy so bad that he can't beat out Tuck? Kid's got talent in spades, yet only ever sees the field in garbage time and special teams...

Other than that, if JR doesn't take an O-line or a LB in the first round, i'm going to punch him in the face...

juice33s
12-04-2012, 02:20 PM
He is a kid who, for reasons beyond me, is rated as a 4th+ round prospect. He has been the best back end safety in college football this year. Of course, it isnt vs the top tier competition like some of the other big name guys and I do think his rating should be lowered because of his injury past. But, I think him being rated a 4th+ round prospect is insane. I love this safety class, guys like Elam, Rambo, Vaccaro are all solid early round prospects and im not saying Thomas will be better but I think him in the 4th is a better value than any of those other guys in the 1st.
Rob Rang has him ranked 50th on his big board and to go with being a 1st team fbs coaches all american, a jim thorpe award finalist and being invited to the senior bowl you can certainly see some momentum building come draft time

nycsportzfan
12-05-2012, 08:25 AM
I hate the way they choose the Heisman winners. So many times it goes to the wrong guy and I absolutely hate how it doesnt go to defensive guys enough. But, I believe this year it belongs in Menzeil's hands. He had the better year vs better competition and he also had the signature moment of the season in that Defeat of Bama.

Lynch is an amazing player. I just dont think you can compare the 2, 1 having played in the SEC and the other having played vs a very weak schedule. Ya, but he had a tremendous amount of better talent around him as well.. Jordan Lynch has done things that simply were never done before, with guys going against weak competiton or not.. I mean, when ur doing things for the first time, like rushing for more then 100yrds in 11stratight games outta QB positon, to go with fantastic passing numbers, and u single handedly lead a MAC team to a BCS bowl game, i think u should be the Heisman..

I agree about defensive players as well.. Its crazy that guys like SUH and TE'O really never have a fair shot because they play D.. I thought SUH should of WON his last yr as well...

I could imagine what Jordan Lynch would of done had he had Jake Mathews and Luke Joeckl protecting him.. I think Jordan Lynch is gonna light up Florida st, only further validating my opinion.. I can't wait to watch him take on Fla St.. No QB in College football history has ran for more yards then Jordan Lynch! And hes not just a runner, he had tremendous passing numbers as well...

Redeyejedi
12-05-2012, 08:37 AM
Ya, but he had a tremendous amount of better talent around him as well.. Jordan Lynch has done things that simply were never done before, with guys going against weak competiton or not.. I mean, when ur doing things for the first time, like rushing for more then 100yrds in 11stratight games outta QB positon, to go with fantastic passing numbers, and u single handedly lead a MAC team to a BCS bowl game, i think u should be the Heisman..

I agree about defensive players as well.. Its crazy that guys like SUH and TE'O really never have a fair shot because they play D.. I thought SUH should of WON his last yr as well...

I could imagine what Jordan Lynch would of done had he had Jake Mathews and Luke Joeckl protecting him.. I think Jordan Lynch is gonna light up Florida st, only further validating my opinion.. I can't wait to watch him take on Fla St.. No QB in College football history has ran for more yards then Jordan Lynch! And hes not just a runner, he had tremendous passing numbers as well...He hasnt seen anything close to the athletes at FSU. That guy got shut down by Iowa

nycsportzfan
12-05-2012, 08:51 AM
I'm so disgusting with the GIANTS right now, it took me a couple days before i could think about doing my WEEKLY mock.. Anyhow, i got us picking in the 25th spot this wk.. So, here we go...


RD1... Chance Warmack G Alabama- He could be gone, or he could be ont he board.. If he is, he'll be hard to ignore, with the line issues we have.. Warmack is a flat out road grader, who pass protects just as good, and is a all around beast.. Huge upgrade over both guards on our team, including Chris Snee.. Offers some youth to the interior of our Oline, which is also much needed..

RD2.. John Simon DE Ohio St- I chose simon, not only because DE is a need, but also becuase he plays with a tenacious motor, and those are the kinda players we need to find, as the giants biggest nemesis is themselves and playing unmotivated 2 often.. Simon will make a adequete replacement for OSI, and a great DUO DE with JPP going forward.. He really has a great ability to get to the passer...

RD3.. Brian Winters OT Kent St- Everyone knows how high i am on WINTERS, and hes as i thought climbing mock boards, as hes in the 3rd rd in alot of mocks.. I think Winters will be our answer at RT going forward, and offers Brewer tough competiton going forward.. Very underrated player, whos slowley catching on with draft gurus(its about time!).

RD4.. DJ Swearinger S S.Carolina- A intimidator, who is really fundamentally sound tackler, and is a pretty underrated S in my opinion.. A big part of one of the better D's in the country..

RD5.. Chris Jones DT Bowling Green- A absoulute playmaker at the DT positon.. Plays with a relentless motor, which is the makeup of this mock of mine.. He could use a couple more pounds, but has great potential to be a steal in this draft..

RD6.. Jake Stoneburner TE Ohio St- WIth a more consistent passing QB, i think he puts up better recieving numbers, and he has the potential to be a solid all around TE.. Could be another Jerry Reese steal here in the 6th rd...

RD7.. Zac Stacy RB Vanderbilt- A very talented back who makes plays inside and out, who has been very productive and a huge part of Vandy's resurgance.. Has some break away speed, as judged by his 90 and 86 yrd runs and a 70yrd reception.. Low center of gravity, and hard running style makes him tough to tackle.. I think he can be used in the pass game alittle more then he has, and when he was , he really produced some big plays.. Could be a late rd steal, and would make a good duo back with Dave Wilson going forward, i believe.. Pretty shifty in the openfield...

slipknottin
12-05-2012, 11:22 AM
Arthur Brown might be my favorite player of this draft. And this "undersized" label keeps getting attached to guys who turn out to be great players. 6'1 and 235 or so seems to be the golden size lately. Willis (6'1 240), Bowman (6' 240), Lavonte David, 6'1 230.

Brown is really a talent. Pure explosion. In his pursuit, closing speed, and he converts it into power on hits too. Like all college backers he of course tries to avoid blocks, and he is certainly quick enough to do it. But he is willing to engage when he has to as well.

I think I've watched him enough that I think he could play inside and outside. He's certainly more stout IMO than Boley is inside

nycsportzfan
12-06-2012, 07:54 AM
He hasnt seen anything close to the athletes at FSU. That guy got shut down by Iowa Dude, he was starting for the like the 1st time in his career... I don't know if Rushing for 119yrds on 18carries with a 1td is really getting shutdown either? Sure, his pass numbers weren't great, but something tells me the talent around him wasen't IOWA ready, and he was, even with it being his 1st career start, judged by how he ran..

nycsportzfan
12-06-2012, 07:58 AM
Arthur Brown might be my favorite player of this draft. And this "undersized" label keeps getting attached to guys who turn out to be great players. 6'1 and 235 or so seems to be the golden size lately. Willis (6'1 240), Bowman (6' 240), Lavonte David, 6'1 230.

Brown is really a talent. Pure explosion. In his pursuit, closing speed, and he converts it into power on hits too. Like all college backers he of course tries to avoid blocks, and he is certainly quick enough to do it. But he is willing to engage when he has to as well.

I think I've watched him enough that I think he could play inside and outside. He's certainly more stout IMO than Boley is inside I've been saying the "undersized" label is something that will more often then not just limit u more then help u in evaluating talent.. I've stopped with that along time ago.. Undersized guys are doing really well at all positons, not just LB..

Ur right about Brown, hes a very good player.. I still think Khaseem Greene is alittle better fit personally, but woulden't mind either or..

nycsportzfan
12-06-2012, 08:04 AM
Man, Walter Football's mock came out yeseterday and he has us taking EZ ANSAH DE BYU, which is a great pick!, but there is some other guys out there that would make for a fun debate while waiting our selection if his mock was close to right.. Guys like Barrett Jones, CJ Mosley, Kenny Vaccaro , Eric Fisher(i ike em alot), Tyler Eifert, Kawaan Short(Love em!), Xavier Rhodes, Jordan Poyer, and Eric Reid.. I tell ya what, i'd hate to be JERRY REESE and CO that day with that pick..lol I mean, i woulden't know what to do...lol

To be honest, if i had to make a order, itd probably go like this..

1. CJ Mosley ILB/OLB
2. Eric Fisher OT
3. EZ Ansah DE
4. Kawaan Short DT
5. Tyler Eifert TE
6. Barrett Jones C/G/T

And even then, those guys are seperated by very little, and i could change my mind a gazillion times.. The talent is heavy this yr, but really clumped up, so teams picking later in rd 1, are gonna have chances to get guys who could easily be some of the best in the draft.. 2nd and 3rd rds are freaking gonna be loaded!

nycsportzfan
12-06-2012, 08:12 AM
He hasnt seen anything close to the athletes at FSU. That guy got shut down by Iowa By the way, Taylor Martinez was 8-14 passing 63yrds and ran 16times for 41yrds 0tds against IOWA.. Again, Lynch making his first start of his career ran for 119yrds on 6.6ypc avg with a 1td and went 6-16 through the air.. Iowa also held Minnesota to 13pts and blew em out, and held Mich st to 19points in double OT... They have played extremely good Defense at times this yr...

rainierjef
12-06-2012, 05:59 PM
We can find a DE in the later rounds I think. Plus we have Ojomo wating for a shot as well as Tracy; not to mention depending on who leaves/ who we draft. I would not be surprised if Kiwi is back on the line and we find a replacement for SAM.

1. Tyler Eifert
2. Tharold simon
3. Ricky Wagner
4. Micha Hyde / ( If Daniel McCullers comes out, I would take him here. RAW player but I think he would be a good future replacement for canty)
5. Brennan Williams ( I think the injury might even push him back as far as mid-late 6th. Labrum tears for an O-Line man can be career ending as that cartilage never heals properly due the high impact activites it endures, even with an everyday non athletic individual.)

Clearly you see I think Secondary needs to be addressed, the days of relying on our fast DE/DT's to get to the QB are becoming numbered, Quick passes are killing us. We need more coverage sacks. I wouldn't even mind taking...

1. DeMarcus Milliner / Xavier Rhodes / Jordan Poyer (In that order )
2. Matt Elam /Bacarri Rambo / Shawn Williams ( in that order)

Plus we just never have luck with retaining healty CB's, there is always something. Yes I understand the dying want to get that Run stopping/ ball swatting / pass rushing DE early, but i really feel the issue goes beyond the D-Line personnel, teams are just more aware and scheme better to neturalize our DE's, adding more would only stack whats already been exposed. we need to shut down the passing tree so our DE's can get to the QB.

Imgrate
12-06-2012, 06:35 PM
Do not think we have the luxury of taking a lber or te with our first round pick. DE DT CB OT. Highest rated guy from those four positions that is still available. OT may come off that list soon, the more I think about it

rainierjef
12-06-2012, 08:07 PM
Do not think we have the luxury of taking a lber or te with our first round pick. DE DT CB OT. Highest rated guy from those four positions that is still available. OT may come off that list soon, the more I think about it
Your probably right, but Highest grade/ BPA has always been the motto around here; and if we are drafting mid-late 20's who has a higher grade or is a BPA than Eifert?
You won't find a OT in that selection bracket thats worth a pick, the DT position is stacked this year I think we can find a potential late first round talent in the 2nd if we were going that route. CB I agree with you. DE no we develop them very well. we can find someone in the 2nd - later rounds, plus we run a rotational DE system drafting another one that high just won't be fruitful, especailly when we have people waiting in the wing or on the field at other positions.

GiantSquirrel26
12-06-2012, 10:33 PM
This is the time of the year when I like to build my own personal draft board at least the first one so I wanna post it on here and see what some of you guys think. Also i always pick 2 of each position and im an Florida State guy so i might think higher of some of those guys so here it is and tell me what you guys think.

QB
E.J. Manuel- Florida State- 6'4" 240- SR- I know probably shouldn't start out with a FSU guy but I just had to I've been high on this guy ever since he took his first snap at FSU and he's done a pretty good job of running this multiple style offense that they like to run and he's not the flashiest guy I've ever seen but his athletic ability and the fact he can make all the throws could provide us with a good back up and a nice insurance clause just in case.
Sean Renfree- Duke- 6'4" 225- SR- Going back to the ACC for this one and I won't try to make it a trend but he would be a good 7th rounder for us since he won't get much attention coming out of football challenged Duke but he does have the tools and the frame of your typical NFL quarterback, which is a good start and he did learn under the same guy that showed Eli how to be a pro.

HB
Montee Ball- Wisconsin- 5'11" 225- SR- Probably won't be the favorite pick here since we spent a first rounder on Wilson last year and the emergence of Brown and Bradshaw playing good again but he's projected late 2nd early 3rd which is right where i see our 2nd pick of the draft being and this guy is an old school grind it out running back with the great breakaway speed and a good receiver out of the backfield all around guy who would be a steal at late 2nd round.
Andre Ellington- Clemson- 5'9" 192- SR- Another ACC guy on my big board and he's here because of all of the Mathieu talk. This guy can burn them!! he's a speedster who would be a great return man and a good 3rd down guy where Gilbride could get creative with him. Not one of my top guys on my board and he would be almost a last resort 2nd round guy but his combine numbers could make him fall 3rd to 4th which would be a good value pick.

FB- only going to choose one player as I believe the Hynocerous is here to stay
Zach Boren- Ohio State- 6' 240- SR- This guy is a bowling ball and one hell of a lead blocker. Almost a Hynocerous duplicate would be good to add depth to a position that doesn't need one but then they could try some different goalline formations with these two as we don't have that full on power runner anymore. Good 6th to 7th round pick as not many fullbacks go high and could be a solid guy for years.

WR
Denard Robinson- Michigan- 5'11" 197- SR- Don't even start with "He played quarterback" because his accuracy isn't good enough to make it to the pros and he may be a Randel-El kind of guy. He's super fast and could possibly bring the wildcat to the good kind of New York and nothing else if you give him a screen pass the whole defense will be on its toes wondering if he's passing or running good 4th or 5th round guy depending on how his combine goes.
Marcus Davis- Virginia Tech- 6'4" 232- SR- This guy mostly is on my radar because I love those big wideouts who you just throw it up there and they go get it. He has mid 4.4 speed in the 40 and is a late round pick at best but has been a decent producer for VT which isn't exactly known for its wideouts.

TE
Tyler Eifert- Notre Dame- 6'5" 252- JR- I don't like to put juniors on my board just yet as they still have to decide but this guy is almost too good to pass up at a need for us and where we can get him in the 1st round. He's a great receiving tight end and has improved greatly as a blocker this past season and would be an instant safety net for Eli and a good red zone target giving him the type of tight end he's never really had.
Ryan Otten- San Jose State- 6'5" 245- SR- A raw talent who has the size and ability to become a solid if not great TE in the NFL. I don't know much about San Jose State so I'm unsure how to attribute the stats that he put up but he is in the mid 4.7s for his 40 time and can be molded into a good TE almost like an Adrien Robinson clone but a little bit slower.

OT
Barrett Jones- Alabama- 6'5" 302- SR- This guy could come in and start with us from day one. He's a super intelligent player and is very durable as he's started all but 4 games since being redshirted and is technically sound and currently plays in a pro style offense. Love this guy he should be our number 1 pick if he's available.
Ricky Wagner- Wisconsin- 6'6" 318- SR- Following the tradition of good offensive lineman Wagner should be able to add some depth to a position that could almost always use some help. He is a little sloppy and his technique need work but he would be good to help us with some depth and coming from Wisconsin run blocking is his specialty and we could use some good run blockers. Its hard to judge where he'll go I've heard mid 1st to 4th round pick so he could be a 3rd or 4th round steal with his talent.

OG
Barrett Jones- Alabama- 6'5" 302- SR- Didn't I already mention him? Oh yeah I forgot to mention that he was also a 2nd team all SEC OG his sophomore year! Versatility is key especially when it comes to injuries and you need someone to move around. This guy has it.
Omoregie Uzzi- Georgia Tech- 6'3" 302- SR- Don't ask me how to pronounce it because I've heard and tried it many different ways but this guy brings some good run blocking skills coming out of GT's option offense. Very physical guy up front and could push for a starting job out of training camp. Also 2nd or 3rd round guy so we can get both Jones and Uzzi and start building our OLine of the future while we keep our current one in tact.

C
Barrett Jones- Alabama- 6'5" 302- SR- Oh yeah this kid is currently playing center for Bama on its quest to repeat. Versatility to the max! He's been compared to Bruce Mathews (HOFer) so thats pretty good company. I love this kid. We need him.
Matt Stankiewitch- Penn State- 6'3" 302- SR- Sorry about another messed up name its honestly not my fault. This guy is a workhorse and the Big Ten has never been short of good interior defensive lineman so he's battle tested. Better run blocker than in pass protection but he always gets the job done and would be a great late round (7th or FA) guy to add some depth to our hurting OLine.

DE
Alex Okafor- Texas- 6'5" 265- SR- This guy is the complete package at DE. He's the kind of pass rusher who can come in and get at least 10 sacks as a rookie. But he's no slouch when it comes to the running game either. Pure strength with great technique the kind of guy Reese likes and Big Blue fans love. Good 1st round pick.
Margus Hunt- Southern Methodist- 6'7" 280- SR- Athletic freak is normally one of the first things people describe him as. He's got the all around JPP like athleticism that could make him a star at the next level. Could be a great 4th or 5th round project since he's only played 3 years and this is his first season as an every down player but thats still low risk-high reward for his current round.

DT
Johnathan Jenkins- Georgia- 6’3” 358- SR- This guy has your prototypical size to be a productive DT in the NFL. He was a a JUCO transfer and stepped in right away for Georgia and has played great for their D this past year. Could help shore up our issues against the run. I like him as a potential first rounder depending on need.
Daniel McCullers- Tennessee- 6’7” 380- JR- Once again I’m normally against Juniors on this draft board but DAMN! HE’S HUGE!!! But also he’s not just a big guy to sit and take up space he’s a good pass rusher with surprising nimbleness for a guy with his size. Only 1 year removed from JUCO could be a 3rd or 4th rounder for us and could help right away.
OLB
Arthur Brown- Kansas State- 6’1” 228- SR- Ok I know right off the start people are gonna say he’s undersized, which they are right but he has great range and could help in pass coverage against the new kind of NFL tight end which is something we need help with. Probably too early to pick him in round 2 but 2 or 3 is where I see him going as of now.
Sio Moore- Connecticut- 6’1” 230- SR- Once again I choose another undersized guy but this is a guy I see who can help us stop RGIII. He’s not quite strong enough to shed big blockers like lineman but he can shed TEs and FBs no problem and with closing speed he could be a spy on RGIII to stop him in the option. I see him as a value 5th rounder.
MLB
Bruce Taylor- Virginia Tech- 6’2” 244- SR- This guy could be a steal in the 6th round. He has great football instincts to know where and when the ball is going somewhere. Great leadership qualities to go along with his early round talent. Only thing holding him back is a foot problem that’s plagued him but in the 6th round I think he’d be worth the risk.
Will Compton- Nebraska- 6’2” 230- SR- He’s a smart middle linebacker that can make all of the pre snap adjustments on a defense. Almost like another Chase Blackburn. He has a high motor and is a very intelligent guy. Could be like 7th round or FA for us.

CB
Xavier Rhodes- Florida State- 6’1” 217- JR- Here we have a classic complete corner. Has great size, willing hitter, good speed, can do both zone and man coverage well. He’s definitely someone that the Giants should look into getting to boost our DBs as a first rounder.
Jordan Poyer- Oregon State- 5’11” 190- SR- This guy has ball hawking skills and will make any QB pay for testing him. Can shut down half of the field by himself. Very physical with receivers despite being a bit smaller.

SS
Robert Lester- Alabama- 6’2” 212- SR- Not the most athletic guy to ever come out of Bama but he’s a 3 year starter under Nick Saban who is a very smart player. Makes up for lack of natural talent with his high football IQ. Could help us out as a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Drew Frey- Cincinnati- 6’3” 212- SR- Another guy like Lester but comes from a school where he doesn’t get the press coverage. Smart safeties are always something a team could use and as a 7th round pick you can almost never go wrong with a guy like this.

FS
D.J. Swearinger- South Carolina- 5’11” 210- SR- Great open field tackler who’s known for being very physical. Has decent coverage skills about as much as you can expect from an average NFL safety. Mid round pick at best depending on his combine times.
Ray Polk- Colorado- 6’ 205- SR- Has great athleticism and is a punishing hitter from the safety position. Would need to work on his coverage skills to be more than a special teams guy but with his athleticism he could easily make an impact on special teams. 7th rounder or FA for us would be a good place to get him.

Not doing kicker or punter as I’m pretty sure we’re set… at least until Weatherford goes Matt Dodge on us or Tynes misses a kick ;)

GiantSquirrel26
12-06-2012, 10:34 PM
Tell me what you guys think. I will be updating this board as I fully finish mine and find out all of the underclassmen entering the draft

BlueSanta
12-07-2012, 01:21 AM
QB
E.J. Manuel- Florida State- 6'4" 240- SR- I know probably shouldn't start out with a FSU guy but I just had to I've been high on this guy ever since he took his first snap at FSU and he's done a pretty good job of running this multiple style offense that they like to run and he's not the flashiest guy I've ever seen but his athletic ability and the fact he can make all the throws could provide us with a good back up and a nice insurance clause just in case.


Do not like him 1 bit. He is terrible in big games and garnered most of his stats vs lesser competition. He also makes some seriously dumb mistakes for a guy who has been starting as long as he had. Furthermore, he has a really bad habbit of getting overexcited in big situations and overthrowing wide open guys. He is a good athlete, passes the eye test and throws darts that look pretty. But He is a terrible decision maker and has poor technique on the long ball. He runs well but thinks he can take guys on in the open field and in the NFL that will get him murdered.

There are a lot of guys to like on FSU this year, most of them on defense. But this kid is not 1 of them. He needs a LOT of coaching and considering he is still making the same mistakes he made a couple years ago, I am not sure he responds well to coaching.


I am surprised being a FSU guy you dont have Pryor as your FB. That kid is a gem.

Other than those 2 things, I like a lot of the guys you mention. Tho I still need to see a couple of them measure in at the combine. A couple of them have some rumored measurable issues. For example I have read that Barrett Jones, who is a stud, may only be barely 6'4 and may have short arms. That might make him a guard only in the NFL. I also want to see Poyner's measurables because he is a player for sure, but it seems as the season as gone on he has gotten taller and taller according to OSU. I want ot know he is 5'10+ or else he will likely be a slot guy, and I think we have our slot guy of the future.

GiantSquirrel26
12-07-2012, 03:31 AM
I really wanted to use Pryor but I thought that it would seem like I'm super biased. Also didn't think we could get him where I see him going or at least wouldn't draft him early enough to get him. Lots of guys out of that team that I liked that I wanted to put on here but couldn't. I wanna see the OLB/DE Jenkins from FSU at the combine and pro day before I say anything on him.

But back to Manuel.... I know he's made some dumb mistakes and he's made me wanna tear my hair out but I believe give him a clip board behind Manning (possibly even Carr so like practice squad him) and I think he could maybe develop into a good security blanket or maybe a trade chip depending how a pre season game or mid season injury replacement goes.

nycsportzfan
12-07-2012, 08:04 AM
We can find a DE in the later rounds I think. Plus we have Ojomo wating for a shot as well as Tracy; not to mention depending on who leaves/ who we draft. I would not be surprised if Kiwi is back on the line and we find a replacement for SAM.

1. Tyler Eifert
2. Tharold simon
3. Ricky Wagner
4. Micha Hyde / ( If Daniel McCullers comes out, I would take him here. RAW player but I think he would be a good future replacement for canty)
5. Brennan Williams ( I think the injury might even push him back as far as mid-late 6th. Labrum tears for an O-Line man can be career ending as that cartilage never heals properly due the high impact activites it endures, even with an everyday non athletic individual.)

Clearly you see I think Secondary needs to be addressed, the days of relying on our fast DE/DT's to get to the QB are becoming numbered, Quick passes are killing us. We need more coverage sacks. I wouldn't even mind taking...

1. DeMarcus Milliner / Xavier Rhodes / Jordan Poyer (In that order )
2. Matt Elam /Bacarri Rambo / Shawn Williams ( in that order)

Plus we just never have luck with retaining healty CB's, there is always something. Yes I understand the dying want to get that Run stopping/ ball swatting / pass rushing DE early, but i really feel the issue goes beyond the D-Line personnel, teams are just more aware and scheme better to neturalize our DE's, adding more would only stack whats already been exposed. we need to shut down the passing tree so our DE's can get to the QB. Demarcus Milliner is gonna be a top 5-10pick though.. Hes the consensus number 1 CB just like Pat Peterson and Morris Claiborne the past couple seasons.. Theres zero chance were in positon to get em...

I like Tyler Eifert alot, and have no issue taking em, as he was my pick in the 2nd to last mock i did, and i've mocked em a couple other times as well in my weekly mock, i believe, so i'm ok with that.. I would rather go Baccari Rambo in the 2nd rd over Tharold Simon.. U can find CB's later in the draft, better then u can find playmaking Safteys that turn the game around ala Ed Reed.. Baccari Rambo is extremely underrated , and if he shows he has no off field issues, could end up pulling a Harrison Smith, and jumping into Late RD1 consideration.. I'll gurantee he makes a couple big plays in there bowl game, becuase hes a star, who shines in big moments...

I dissagree about Brennan WIlliams though.. I think he'll be fine coming back from a labrum tear as young as he is.. Ed Reed played right through his Laburm Tear all season long this yr and is doing fantastically might i add.. It a common injury in the NFL...Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Dwight Freeny, Shawne Merriman, Frank Gore had 2, and they all played fine after words and came back with no problems...

Orr Limpisvasti a Orthapedic Surgeon in LA said in a Article talking about the injury that most of the time u can play with it, and even a severe one, u should be able to be fine with the right surgical procedure..

Redeyejedi
12-07-2012, 09:17 AM
Demarcus Milliner is gonna be a top 5-10pick though.. Hes the consensus number 1 CB just like Pat Peterson and Morris Claiborne the past couple seasons.. Theres zero chance were in positon to get em...

I like Tyler Eifert alot, and have no issue taking em, as he was my pick in the 2nd to last mock i did, and i've mocked em a couple other times as well in my weekly mock, i believe, so i'm ok with that.. I would rather go Baccari Rambo in the 2nd rd over Tharold Simon.. U can find CB's later in the draft, better then u can find playmaking Safteys that turn the game around ala Ed Reed.. Baccari Rambo is extremely underrated , and if he shows he has no off field issues, could end up pulling a Harrison Smith, and jumping into Late RD1 consideration.. I'll gurantee he makes a couple big plays in there bowl game, becuase hes a star, who shines in big moments...

I dissagree about Brennan WIlliams though.. I think he'll be fine coming back from a labrum tear as young as he is.. Ed Reed played right through his Laburm Tear all season long this yr and is doing fantastically might i add.. It a common injury in the NFL...Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Dwight Freeny, Shawne Merriman, Frank Gore had 2, and they all played fine after words and came back with no problems...

Orr Limpisvasti a Orthapedic Surgeon in LA said in a Article talking about the injury that most of the time u can play with it, and even a severe one, u should be able to be fine with the right surgical procedure..I saw u had Zac Stacy in your mock draft 1 of the more underrated players in CFB. Doing a multi game video of him. Finished cutting Wake Forest and Georgia so far

nycsportzfan
12-07-2012, 10:04 AM
Do not think we have the luxury of taking a lber or te with our first round pick. DE DT CB OT. Highest rated guy from those four positions that is still available. OT may come off that list soon, the more I think about it Oh, i definetly disagree my friend.. We have Mike Boley, whos gonna be 31 at start of next season, and Blackburn is working his way toward a juicy contract, which we may or may not be able to afford, and Kiwi may or may not move back to DE if were to lose one or both of OSI and TUCK due to money restraints and OSI being a FA.. Keith Rivers has been a injury plaqued dud, and we have yet to see much outta Mark Herzlich..

A good stout young LB might not seem like a huge need on the surface, but once u scratch alittle deeper, and talking about next yr, u can see its alittle more of a issue, and also a real beast young LB has been lacking for some time anyways.. U may say "eh, blackburn, boley and kiwi are doing swell", but we need a true ALL PRO type back there.. Our defense gets shredded to often, and maybe one of the reasons is we don't have a top of the echelon LB .. I think it would make a world of a diffrence..

CJ Mosley, Khaseem Greene, and Arthur Brown are stellar players who are all over the field and would make us alot better against the run, and pass..

nycsportzfan
12-07-2012, 10:05 AM
I saw u had Zac Stacy in your mock draft 1 of the more underrated players in CFB. Doing a multi game video of him. Finished cutting Wake Forest and Georgia so far Very Underratd indeed, my friend.. I like ur guy Miguel Maysonet of Stony Brook alot as well.. I watched a couple of ur tapes of him awhile back, and i see why hes peaked ur interest...

rainierjef
12-07-2012, 02:58 PM
Demarcus Milliner is gonna be a top 5-10pick though.. Hes the consensus number 1 CB just like Pat Peterson and Morris Claiborne the past couple seasons.. Theres zero chance were in positon to get em...

I like Tyler Eifert alot, and have no issue taking em, as he was my pick in the 2nd to last mock i did, and i've mocked em a couple other times as well in my weekly mock, i believe, so i'm ok with that.. I would rather go Baccari Rambo in the 2nd rd over Tharold Simon.. U can find CB's later in the draft, better then u can find playmaking Safteys that turn the game around ala Ed Reed.. Baccari Rambo is extremely underrated , and if he shows he has no off field issues, could end up pulling a Harrison Smith, and jumping into Late RD1 consideration.. I'll gurantee he makes a couple big plays in there bowl game, becuase hes a star, who shines in big moments...

I dissagree about Brennan WIlliams though.. I think he'll be fine coming back from a labrum tear as young as he is.. Ed Reed played right through his Laburm Tear all season long this yr and is doing fantastically might i add.. It a common injury in the NFL...Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Dwight Freeny, Shawne Merriman, Frank Gore had 2, and they all played fine after words and came back with no problems...

Orr Limpisvasti a Orthapedic Surgeon in LA said in a Article talking about the injury that most of the time u can play with it, and even a severe one, u should be able to be fine with the right surgical procedure..

With the labrum tear as an O-line man the force applied/ pressure on the shoulders are greater than any other positon. we have pilots that are put on down status for 365 days with re-evals/ ortho for this issue and all they do is pull/push minimal and carry around an O2 tank (15 pounds) lol. I hope that is the case but from what I have saw clincally i would have to disagree there.

I was thinking rambo as well as i put it in my edit. but I thought he would be gone by where we select in the 2nd so i didn't even bother. you are the one that's got me buzzing on rambo your love for him is well deserved from what i saw. and as far as milliner i know he wil not leave the top 15 but i was saying if we had a chance at CB's/S in the first these are the guys i would want in that order.

Edit: Also while i agree there might be zero chance of us having a shot at milliner, it was the same thing we said about prince. so anything can be possible. There is always a knee jerking pull on QB's and right now I have a couple of teams that might do that in the first KC/Titans/Jaguars/(surprisingly) Bills might be in ths bucket as well/Raiders might want to rebuild/Cardinals/ Wont be surprised if the Jets are in the market as well depending on whos on the table at their pick, that circus is always good for a shocker. So at the most that pushes some guys out of their potential landing spots. I think 4 QBs at the most don't leave the first, possible 5.

BlueSanta
12-07-2012, 03:07 PM
Very Underratd indeed, my friend.. I like ur guy Miguel Maysonet of Stony Brook alot as well.. I watched a couple of ur tapes of him awhile back, and i see why hes peaked ur interest...

Both those guys are solid. Stacy runs with some power. I have a friend who is a proud Stony Brook alum, he swears by this kid.

rainierjef
12-07-2012, 03:10 PM
Oh, i definetly disagree my friend.. We have Mike Boley, whos gonna be 31 at start of next season, and Blackburn is working his way toward a juicy contract, which we may or may not be able to afford, and Kiwi may or may not move back to DE if were to lose one or both of OSI and TUCK due to money restraints and OSI being a FA.. Keith Rivers has been a injury plaqued dud, and we have yet to see much outta Mark Herzlich..

A good stout young LB might not seem like a huge need on the surface, but once u scratch alittle deeper, and talking about next yr, u can see its alittle more of a issue, and also a real beast young LB has been lacking for some time anyways.. U may say "eh, blackburn, boley and kiwi are doing swell", but we need a true ALL PRO type back there.. Our defense gets shredded to often, and maybe one of the reasons is we don't have a top of the echelon LB .. I think it would make a world of a diffrence..

CJ Mosley, Khaseem Greene, and Arthur Brown are stellar players who are all over the field and would make us alot better against the run, and pass.. you forgot minter.... how dare you!

BlueSanta
12-07-2012, 04:44 PM
I dissagree about Brennan WIlliams though.. I think he'll be fine coming back from a labrum tear as young as he is.. Ed Reed played right through his Laburm Tear all season long this yr and is doing fantastically might i add.. It a common injury in the NFL...Drew Brees, Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Dwight Freeny, Shawne Merriman, Frank Gore had 2, and they all played fine after words and came back with no problems...

Orr Limpisvasti a Orthapedic Surgeon in LA said in a Article talking about the injury that most of the time u can play with it, and even a severe one, u should be able to be fine with the right surgical procedure..

I went through this injury in colllege. It is no joke for a lineman.

The labrum tear is common in sports, very true. None of those guys you mentioned are linemen. It CAN be devistating to a lineman. It depends on the severeity and location of the tear.

Its hard to describe in writing to someone who hasnt been through it, but your arms are fully functional until you get them extended at shoulder length or higher away from your body. At that point, your very weak and vulnerable to dislocations. It can be rebuilt via surgery but it often leaves a shorter range of motion , weaker, and some people's body dont take to it. Sometimes, if the tear is in a decent spot, it only effects you when your arms are away from you body and behind you. That doenst effect linemen at all. But, if it is a frontal tear, and you are weak when your arms are out in front of you or extended to the side, it is no joke of an injury. There is a brace a lot of guys where to help with this injury, you have all seen it but maybe didnt know what it does or thought it was a arm pad. It is a brace on the upper bicept just below the shoulder pad that is attached to a chest brace that forbids a certain range of motion. The problem is that range of motion isnt 1 needed by a RB, DB, or even a LB, but it is often required by linemen on every play.

You mentioned a lot of players who have had this injury, I would mention 1 a little closer to home: Justin Tuck. He has never been the same since that injury. He used to always control his guy and has been a shadow of his former self since the injury. A lot of people say it is age or lack of motivation and maybe it is, but anyone who has had the injury knows that it likely had something to do with it.

In truth, I cant rate Williams right now. On ability he is a 1st rounder. The problem is I wont be able to see what the docs say about him at the combine. That literally will determine his value in this league and we dont get that info. If they determine he has a bad tear, he could be a 6th rounder. If they say it is an inconsequential 1, then he might be back to a 1st rounder again. I would say that if by the end of the 3rd round his name hasnt been called, the docs didnt like what they saw in him.

rainierjef
12-07-2012, 06:09 PM
P.A. Jeffrey

Anatomical position of the body is with your palms facing outward, degrees of flexion/extension/adduction and abduction heavily rely on cartilage. The labrum is a rolled stack of cartilage that supports the humerus head to the scapula, as since it is cartilage it has a lot to do with axis of motion in degrees. any tear to this area puts strain on the ligamets that connect the calvicle to the the highest point of the shoulder bone (acromion). It also forces tension which over time creates wear and tear to the RC muscle and tendons.
An Oline man fully extends his arms out to meet resistance usually by equal or greater weight. so the velocity extended - meeting force applied = power (physics) now you add a weak/ rebuilding cartilage to that equation; the pain is immesurable, more damage not can, will! happen. He will not be able to hold his blocks long.

Now talent wise he is worth a late round selection, depending on what his examining physicians determine. If its a serious tear I wouldn't even take him, If its a moderate superficial benign tear then mid-late 4th-6th round, in hopes that with the surgical care, steroid/pain injections and ortho treatments might get him back to 80-90% of his ability, he will never be 100% again, even 90% at his position is a stretch

nycsportzfan
12-08-2012, 06:54 AM
P.A. Jeffrey

Anatomical position of the body is with your palms facing outward, degrees of flexion/extension/adduction and abduction heavily rely on cartilage. The labrum is a rolled stack of cartilage that supports the humerus head to the scapula, as since it is cartilage it has a lot to do with axis of motion in degrees. any tear to this area puts strain on the ligamets that connect the calvicle to the the highest point of the shoulder bone (acromion). It also forces tension which over time creates wear and tear to the RC muscle and tendons.
An Oline man fully extends his arms out to meet resistance usually by equal or greater weight. so the velocity extended - meeting force applied = power (physics) now you add a weak/ rebuilding cartilage to that equation; the pain is immesurable, more damage not can, will! happen. He will not be able to hold his blocks long.

Now talent wise he is worth a late round selection, depending on what his examining physicians determine. If its a serious tear I wouldn't even take him, If its a moderate superficial benign tear then mid-late 4th-6th round, in hopes that with the surgical care, steroid/pain injections and ortho treatments might get him back to 80-90% of his ability, he will never be 100% again, even 90% at his position is a stretch no way..lol U think Brennan WIlliams is now never gonna be back to what he was? Mike Whale played fine after coming back from Lat tear.. Andrew Gardner, a 2008 OT prospect from Ga Tech played with the injury for awhile before succumbing to it... There isn't any mock site or anyone even mentioning a drop later then maybe the 3rd on Brennan WIlliams..

I'm not even remotley concerned about it, to be honest.. so many QB's, who have to extend there arms and use every inch of there arm throwing the ball come back fine from it all the time.. There talking about him being ready for Postseason All Star games, let alone draft time and the combine...

nycsportzfan
12-08-2012, 06:56 AM
Brennan Williams is gonna be fine.. He played with the injury for alot of the season and well might i add, up untill finally it was 2 much in the 4th qter of the Duke game.. Heres a article on em when he was injured.. Hes not dropping to no 6th round because of a labrum tear.. He'll be off the board before the 4th rd..

North Carolina senior OT Brennan Williams out for the season
By Dane Brugler | NFLDraftScout.com Senior Analyst
October 26, 2012 3:14 am ET 0 | CommentNorth Carolina starting offensive tackle Brennan Williams will miss the remainder of his senior season after surgery Thursday to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder, team spokesman Kevin Best announced. Williams hasn't played at 100% for much of the season and further injured his shoulder in the fourth quarter against Duke last Saturday.

Williams currently ranks as NFLDraftScout.com's No. 2 senior offensive tackle and 38th prospect overall. At 6-7, 310 pounds, Williams has surprisingly light feet for his size with the length and frame to start on the right side in the NFL. He hadn't played with the same aggressiveness or consistent mean streak as of late, but the shoulder issue looks to be the culprit. In his latest mock draft, Rob Rang had the Tar Heels senior tackle slotted to the San Francisco 49ers in the late first round.

In last Saturday's loss to Duke, Williams played the first three quarters, but left the field a minute into the fourth quarter, clutching his left arm. Senior starting right guard Travis Bond moved over to tackle for the final quarter against the Blue Devils and is expected to man the right tackle position for the remainder of the season. Bond is NFLDraftScout.com's No. 7 ranked senior offensive guard for the 2013 NFL Draft.

Williams became a full-time starter last season as a junior in Chapel Hill and started the first eight games of the 2012 campaign. He will finish his collegiate career with 22 career starts, all coming at right tackle. Williams' father, Brent, had an 11-year NFL career (1986-1993) at defensive end, spending time with the New England Patriots, Seattle Seahawks and New York Jets.

Normally the recovery time from labrum surgery is anywhere from two-to-six months depending on the severity of the tear, which could potentially keep Williams out of some pre-draft workouts. Hopefully that is not the case, however, and he will be able to showcase his skills at the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine three months from now.

nycsportzfan
12-08-2012, 06:57 AM
you forgot minter.... how dare you! I have a wierd feeling Minter might go back to school.. Hes a sure fire 1st rder, i think with another yr.. I could be wrong, but ur right, i should of added him regardless.. I love em as a prospect...

nycsportzfan
12-08-2012, 07:01 AM
With the labrum tear as an O-line man the force applied/ pressure on the shoulders are greater than any other positon. we have pilots that are put on down status for 365 days with re-evals/ ortho for this issue and all they do is pull/push minimal and carry around an O2 tank (15 pounds) lol. I hope that is the case but from what I have saw clincally i would have to disagree there.

I was thinking rambo as well as i put it in my edit. but I thought he would be gone by where we select in the 2nd so i didn't even bother. you are the one that's got me buzzing on rambo your love for him is well deserved from what i saw. and as far as milliner i know he wil not leave the top 15 but i was saying if we had a chance at CB's/S in the first these are the guys i would want in that order.

Edit: Also while i agree there might be zero chance of us having a shot at milliner, it was the same thing we said about prince. so anything can be possible. There is always a knee jerking pull on QB's and right now I have a couple of teams that might do that in the first KC/Titans/Jaguars/(surprisingly) Bills might be in ths bucket as well/Raiders might want to rebuild/Cardinals/ Wont be surprised if the Jets are in the market as well depending on whos on the table at their pick, that circus is always good for a shocker. So at the most that pushes some guys out of their potential landing spots. I think 4 QBs at the most don't leave the first, possible 5. Completely diffrent situation with Prince.. First off, we got prince at pick 19, which i'm pretty sure we'll be picking at least 5picks later then that, i would hope.. 2ndly, Millner is pretty much the best CB in this class in most eyes, and Prince was behind Patrick Peterson... There is no Patrick Peterson blocking Dermarcus Millner this yr... Hes not getting outta the top 10, and if he somehow does, it'll be early teens when he hears his name called...

Redeyejedi
12-08-2012, 11:36 AM
I went through this injury in colllege. It is no joke for a lineman.

The labrum tear is common in sports, very true. None of those guys you mentioned are linemen. It CAN be devistating to a lineman. It depends on the severeity and location of the tear.

Its hard to describe in writing to someone who hasnt been through it, but your arms are fully functional until you get them extended at shoulder length or higher away from your body. At that point, your very weak and vulnerable to dislocations. It can be rebuilt via surgery but it often leaves a shorter range of motion , weaker, and some people's body dont take to it. Sometimes, if the tear is in a decent spot, it only effects you when your arms are away from you body and behind you. That doenst effect linemen at all. But, if it is a frontal tear, and you are weak when your arms are out in front of you or extended to the side, it is no joke of an injury. There is a brace a lot of guys where to help with this injury, you have all seen it but maybe didnt know what it does or thought it was a arm pad. It is a brace on the upper bicept just below the shoulder pad that is attached to a chest brace that forbids a certain range of motion. The problem is that range of motion isnt 1 needed by a RB, DB, or even a LB, but it is often required by linemen on every play.

You mentioned a lot of players who have had this injury, I would mention 1 a little closer to home: Justin Tuck. He has never been the same since that injury. He used to always control his guy and has been a shadow of his former self since the injury. A lot of people say it is age or lack of motivation and maybe it is, but anyone who has had the injury knows that it likely had something to do with it.

In truth, I cant rate Williams right now. On ability he is a 1st rounder. The problem is I wont be able to see what the docs say about him at the combine. That literally will determine his value in this league and we dont get that info. If they determine he has a bad tear, he could be a 6th rounder. If they say it is an inconsequential 1, then he might be back to a 1st rounder again. I would say that if by the end of the 3rd round his name hasnt been called, the docs didnt like what they saw in him. Tuck has never been the same player after that injury. I agree thats a killer injury . I would be scared of drafting him high

slipknottin
12-08-2012, 11:50 AM
Brennan Williams is gonna be fine..

Hope so for him. But the medical check ups at the combine are key for him.

rainierjef
12-08-2012, 02:14 PM
no way..lol U think Brennan WIlliams is now never gonna be back to what he was? Mike Whale played fine after coming back from Lat tear.. Andrew Gardner, a 2008 OT prospect from Ga Tech played with the injury for awhile before succumbing to it... There isn't any mock site or anyone even mentioning a drop later then maybe the 3rd on Brennan WIlliams..

I'm not even remotley concerned about it, to be honest.. so many QB's, who have to extend there arms and use every inch of there arm throwing the ball come back fine from it all the time.. There talking about him being ready for Postseason All Star games, let alone draft time and the combine...

I am not talking out of my *** on this one. As a medical professional I think i would know this sort of stuff. It depends on the type of tear is it a horizontal or lateral tear, the inch depth/ width of the tear as well plays a role in the recovery process. Any damage to cartilage would make that site unable to retain 100% full function after surgery and ortho. Like i said what the medical examiners determine on him will tell us where he falls and I would rather see what the NFL examiners say first before any other 2-3rd option made by either himself or the school.

QB and OL are different in how they use their RC muscles, the QB uses more range of motion than the OL yes, but the OL meets resistance with weighted force when going up against other DL or 2, completely different degrees of use.

rainierjef
12-08-2012, 02:27 PM
I am having trouble rating the top five CB's. I know for a fact at the beginning of the season i had them as.
1. David Amerson, North Carolina State
2. Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
3. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
4. Johnny Adams, Michigan State
5. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
Mathieu is out of the picture, Amerson has disappointed a little to me, Adams sigh*
tell me what you guys think I am going off the curve on this one.
1. Demarucs Milliner, Alabama
2. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
3. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
4. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
5. David Amerson, North Carolina State
and I have Tharold simon in at 6 and Kyle fuller at 7

BlueSanta
12-08-2012, 08:07 PM
Brennan Williams is gonna be fine.. He played with the injury for alot of the season and well might i add, up untill finally it was 2 much in the 4th qter of the Duke game..

Well, you are welcome to guess how he will turn out. I wont because I have been through this injury. That article says absolutely nothing about the tear, just that it exists. In this case the devil is in the details, and we dont know them.

His having played through the injury means absolutely nothing either. This injury isnt like others. EVERY labrum tear is manageable for a time. However, playing with it puts a players rotator cuff at risk, since the labrum helps stablize the cuff. This is also a reoccuring injury. Athletes who have the surgery are far more likely to need more down the road.

And the 6-8 month timeframe is not accurate at all either, maybe for a normal person, but not a NFL player. That is how long it takes to have relative full opperation of the shoulder, NOT the full strength. There is little guarantee a player will ever have full strength. It all depends on where the tear is. To this day, 20 years after my surgery I still do the rehab excersices routinely because the moment I stop my shoulder immediately weakens. You can argue "the have made improvements" but the fact is the most common procedure today is the same 1 they did to me.

In my opinion, there are 2 types of athletes that shoulder tears of this nature can be extremely dangerous for careers. 1 is a lineman and the other is a wrestler(the mat wretler, not the tv crap). In both cases this injury CAN have a huge impact on a career, or it could be nothing. It all depends on the location/severity of the tear.

BlueSanta
12-08-2012, 08:14 PM
1. Demarucs Milliner, Alabama
2. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
3. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
4. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
5. David Amerson, North Carolina State


I think that is about right. I am not sure about the order exactly, but imho those are the top 5. I still hold Desmond Trufant in high regard as well.

I still want to see Poyer's measurables at the combine. I have seen him listed at 5'9 and also at 5'11. If he is 5'9ish he is likely a slot guy only and that would devalue him even tho he has played very well this year. In that case, Trufant moves him out of the top 5.

slipknottin
12-08-2012, 09:05 PM
I don't think Amerson is a top CB prospect. I'm not even sure he projects as a FS. In terms of coverage skill he is like a 5th rounder

Redeyejedi
12-08-2012, 09:10 PM
Hope so for him. But the medical check ups at the combine are key for him.U see his dad yell at me on Twitter for saying its a serious injury . He told me to check my facts LOL. I got to watch myself I know some of these players keep tabs

Jmpasq ‏@Jmpasq
Torn labrum is a serious injury for Brennan Williams a lot of players are never the same after that. Justin Tuck is a shadow of himself

Brent Williams ‏@bdub969391
@Jmpasq NO it's not, Played 7 more years after the surgery - it's the most common injury with linemen in the nfl - check your facts

slipknottin
12-08-2012, 09:50 PM
Ha! thats amusing.

I didnt realize torn labrums were so common, lol.


Anyway, Mingo is a sort of strange prospect, clearly explosive as heck, but he doesnt translate that speed into power at all, If he could learn to use his speed to get under guys and drive them backward he is a Von Miller type of prospect. But he just doesnt. Flies up into a guy then its like he hits a brick wall.

Redeyejedi
12-08-2012, 10:46 PM
Ha! thats amusing.

I didnt realize torn labrums were so common, lol.


Anyway, Mingo is a sort of strange prospect, clearly explosive as heck, but he doesnt translate that speed into power at all, If he could learn to use his speed to get under guys and drive them backward he is a Von Miller type of prospect. But he just doesnt. Flies up into a guy then its like he hits a brick wall. I wonder if he should just switch to linebacker. He doesnt seem to be strong enough to play end. His tape is really mediocre this season not sure why everyone is still putting him in the Top 10

rainierjef
12-08-2012, 11:58 PM
I wonder if he should just switch to linebacker. He doesnt seem to be strong enough to play end. His tape is really mediocre this season not sure why everyone is still putting him in the Top 10 you thinking another Vernon gholston issue, for the gaining organization?

slipknottin
12-09-2012, 12:05 AM
you thinking another Vernon gholston issue, for the gaining organization?

He could flame out, he is not that great with contact.

BlueSanta
12-09-2012, 03:15 AM
U see his dad yell at me on Twitter for saying its a serious injury . He told me to check my facts LOL. I got to watch myself I know some of these players keep tabs

Jmpasq ‏@Jmpasq
Torn labrum is a serious injury for Brennan Williams a lot of players are never the same after that. Justin Tuck is a shadow of himself

Brent Williams ‏@bdub969391
@Jmpasq NO it's not, Played 7 more years after the surgery - it's the most common injury with linemen in the nfl - check your facts

heh thats funny. What a dad gonna do tho.

nycsportzfan
12-09-2012, 07:31 AM
I'm pretty confident on this one, and that is that Brennan Williams will be totally fine, and hes either gonna make it or not based on his talent... I expect to see him workout at the combine, if not before, and this 2 be a thing of the past in no time.. Also, i'd be shocked if hes not taken in the first 3rds of this yrs draft, if not earlier.. I would personally take em the end of RD 2, and love the value we'd be getting, as hes gonna be a starting RT in the NFL in no time.

Theres really not a whole lotta info out there on Olineman with this injury? I mean, Mike Wahle had it, nad returned just fine.. Andrew Gardner, a 2008 prospect from Ga.Tech had it and played with it most of the season, but he was never anyone who had a huge stock,. and was taken in the 6th rd,. and has managed to stick around in the NFL ever since..

Again, i'd be shocked if half the teams in the NFL didn't pounce on the value of having a brennan williams there to pick up in the 3rd rd, if hes still there.. Thats value galore.. Especially if hes all ready playing in all star games and participating in the NFL combine..

nycsportzfan
12-09-2012, 07:35 AM
U see his dad yell at me on Twitter for saying its a serious injury . He told me to check my facts LOL. I got to watch myself I know some of these players keep tabs

Jmpasq ‏@Jmpasq
Torn labrum is a serious injury for Brennan Williams a lot of players are never the same after that. Justin Tuck is a shadow of himself

Brent Williams ‏@bdub969391
@Jmpasq NO it's not, Played 7 more years after the surgery - it's the most common injury with linemen in the nfl - check your facts thats funny as heck...lol I will say, i found a gazillion NFL players who had this injury.. There isn't a ton of Olineman though? Mike Wahle, Andrew Gardner, are 2of the only ones i found? Both were fine and Andrew Gardner is still in the NFL, and he wasen't that big of a prospect to begin with.. Anyhow, its fairly common, as i had about 12names, and i didn't write all the ones i found, and those were success stories..

Heres a article actually entitled NFL torn labrums common injury..lol

Scout.com: Torn Labrum Is a Common NFL injury
mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=124&f=1930&t=995268 - Similar
Seems like quite a few NFL players have suffered torm Labrum

nycsportzfan
12-09-2012, 07:53 AM
Also, found out that STEFEN WISNEWSKI played his entire Rookie season with a torn labrum.. Also, Jared Allen and Ed reed are both playing with torn labrums as we speeak, and Jared Allen has had his for awhile.. Sidney RIce and Blaine Gabbet also have them.. I'd say its safe to say, its a common injury, and not much of a Career jepordizer... I haven't seen one player who had one, that has actually lost there career over it, let alone some one as young as Brennan Williams.. Shoot, Jonas Jennings had one, and did it later in his 20's, after alot of wear and tear, and still played 3more yrs in the NFL after that...

nycsportzfan
12-09-2012, 08:07 AM
I am having trouble rating the top five CB's. I know for a fact at the beginning of the season i had them as.
1. David Amerson, North Carolina State
2. Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
3. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
4. Johnny Adams, Michigan State
5. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
Mathieu is out of the picture, Amerson has disappointed a little to me, Adams sigh*
tell me what you guys think I am going off the curve on this one.
1. Demarucs Milliner, Alabama
2. Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State
3. Xavier Rhodes, Florida State
4. Jordan Poyer, Oregon State
5. David Amerson, North Carolina State
and I have Tharold simon in at 6 and Kyle fuller at 7 I still have JORDAN POYER ranked as my NUM 1 CB prospect.. Regardless of where hes taken, i have a feeling hes a guy we'll look back at, as we do in almost every draft, and say "man he should of went ahead of that guy".. POYER is a ball hawk extrodinaire with good size, athletic ability, and speed.. Hes really as complete as it comes, and i love those dual sport guys, like Russell Wilson, Deion Sanders, John Elway...etc..etc

Poyer had 7picks this yr, and mixes it up well in run support, and is big enough to handle the bigger NFL recievers, and is very smart and instinctive, and has a ton of ST value, as a KR and PR... This kid is underrated for some reason? He just makes plays on the field.. Hes got 13 career interceptions with a game to come at OREGON ST...

nycsportzfan
12-09-2012, 08:38 AM
Man, it stings watching guys like Vick Ballard RB Indy turning into a nice steal in RD5, when we can't even get much positive yardage or any thing substantial outta our 1st rd pick... I loved Vick Ballard as a Sleeper, as did Redeye, and hes turning into quite the RB ... I thought he'd be gone before RD5, but colts nabbed em early 5th.. The colts had one heck of adraft.. They pounced on Dwayne Allen, as soon as we passed, almost like they couldent beleive we passed, as they just took a TE earlier in the draft, and then went out and got a game changer in T.Y Hilton to boot.. They added starting quality playmakers in RD1,2,3,4, and 5... And even Chandler Harnish played extremely well in the preseason as mr.irrelevant..(another kid most know i liked..)

The colts instantly chnaged there futur and fortunes in one single draft.. This is why i love the draft.. U do ur job right, and u can change ur fortunes real quickly.. I was angry we passed on Cordy Glenn and angry we passed on Dwayne Allen...

I don't even know what i'm rambling about, i'm just annoyed right now that we gotta must win against the freaking Saints today, and we have a brittle RB with nothing behind em, and a brittle WR, and know one really stepping up there either.. Rueben Randle or Jerrell Jerrnigan need to step up today! I went on high praise for Jerny in the offseason, and raved about the draft pick, and its time he start proving me right!!!!!

Redeyejedi
12-09-2012, 09:07 AM
He could flame out, he is not that great with contact. I was thinking more of another Jet that got cut Maybin. He is really fast and super explosive but he doesnt finish plays and he gets swallowed up more then not.

nycsportzfan
12-09-2012, 09:20 AM
Whats the take on sleepers this yr around here? We used to start a sleeper thread, but probably just put tha INFO right in this thread this yr, i suppose?

Bored , so i figured i'd write down some sleepers of mine... Sleepers can also be guys who are perdicted to go in ealyish rds, that u think are gonna be way better then where they are selected... Any sleepers out there, u guys excited about?


Chris Jones DT Bowling Green- This guy can flat out make plays.. Hes strong, but a bit undersized at listed 292 lbs.. Hes had a incredible season, and could offer value if he goes where projected, in the 4th-6th range..

Theo Rid**** RB N.Dame- Love the kid, and think he helps a team.. He can catch as well as run, and he runs harder then his size indicates.. Could be a nice additon to a duo or trio backfield..

Cierre Wood RB N.Dame- Sticking with the NDAME backfield, CIerre Wood has the more prototypical size u want outta a back, and was a prized recruit when coming out.. Has deceptive speed, and can keep it moving forward after first contact.. Solid mid to late rd RB in my opinion... Has a body type like Darren McFaddens, and is a long strider in the open field, and has decent cut back ability.. Decent reciever outta backfield...

Jake Stoneburner TE Ohio St- I like this kid as a reciever going forward.. He has frame to pile on a few more LB's, and could be a nice additon in the 5-7rd range.. A decent fall back option, if we dont go TE early..

DJ Swearinger S S.Carolina- Hes not a huge sleeper per say, but hes better then a few of the S's perdicted to go ahead of him, in my opinion.. Hes a strong , fundamentally strong kid, who is a key member of a really good defenses backfield.. He can really lay a hit and is involved in most plays it seems.. Not great ball skills, but decent, and isn't a weakness against the pass.. I'd say more of a all around safety, and not specializing in one or the other(pass or against run)..

Dennis Johnson RB Arkansas- Another RB , i know..lol This kid can take a hit and keep on moving, and has that MJD, R.Rice , D.Martin look about em, and i love those low center of gravity backs, that have some shiftiness to em as well.. He has taken over the backfield away from Knile Davis , despite some of that being Davis probably not recovering from injury as well as we hoped, still give em his props for that.. A hard runner, with deceptive speed, could be better pro then college player...

Adrian Bushell CB Louisville- A solid sized CB, who can make the plays against the pass, and was supposed to take over for Joe Haden at FLORIDA but followed Charlie Strong to Louisville.. THe kids been rising, and i expect him to continue that.. Reminds me alittle bit of another former Louisiville CB i liked alot and ended up with saints, Johnny Patrick, who went in RD3...

AJ Klein ILB Iowa St- I just like his gritty hard nosed approach and leadership qualities. he strikes me as the kinda guy who will always make it on to a team because of how hard he works, and the little things he does.. Not overly disimaler to our very own Chase Blackburn.. Good sized kid who can thump..

Jonathan Bostic ILB Florida- Another ILB i really like is Bostic.. Aggresive player, whos stout against run, and could be value on ST's as well.. I really like this kid...

Alec Lemon WR Syracuse
Shamarko Thomas S Syracuse
Earl Wolff S NC State
Blaize Foltz G T.C.U
LaAdrian Waddle OT Texas Tech
Robbie Rouse RB Fresno St.
Emory Blake WR Auburn
Steve Greer LB Virignia
Miguel Maysonet RB Stony Brook
Ryan Griffin TE UCONN
Everett Dawkins DT Florida St
Kapron Lewis-Moore DE- possibly switch to DT in a 43 pro sceme?

rainierjef
12-09-2012, 04:25 PM
Man, it stings watching guys like Vick Ballard RB Indy turning into a nice steal in RD5, when we can't even get much positive yardage or any thing substantial outta our 1st rd pick... I loved Vick Ballard as a Sleeper, as did Redeye, and hes turning into quite the RB ... I thought he'd be gone before RD5, but colts nabbed em early 5th.. The colts had one heck of adraft.. They pounced on Dwayne Allen, as soon as we passed, almost like they couldent beleive we passed, as they just took a TE earlier in the draft, and then went out and got a game changer in T.Y Hilton to boot.. They added starting quality playmakers in RD1,2,3,4, and 5... And even Chandler Harnish played extremely well in the preseason as mr.irrelevant..(another kid most know i liked..)

The colts instantly chnaged there futur and fortunes in one single draft.. This is why i love the draft.. U do ur job right, and u can change ur fortunes real quickly.. I was angry we passed on Cordy Glenn and angry we passed on Dwayne Allen...

I don't even know what i'm rambling about, i'm just annoyed right now that we gotta must win against the freaking Saints today, and we have a brittle RB with nothing behind em, and a brittle WR, and know one really stepping up there either.. Rueben Randle or Jerrell Jerrnigan need to step up today! I went on high praise for Jerny in the offseason, and raved about the draft pick, and its time he start proving me right!!!!!

Man don't get me started on vick ballard, there was someone else on here that was a advocate of him just as much as i was. He would of been a good power back for us, and I think i have been extremely vocal about how knee jerking it was the decision after tampa jumped in front of us, no disrespect to the player wilson, he was a good prospect coming out of college and I think he will be good, but felt we could of went a different direction and still get a good back in another round.

edit: call me a broken record but i feel the difference in this offense would have been seen immediately with coby fleener, and if you add Fleener and Bennett, we could of seen the dual TE sets come back to NY. Dan campbell/Jeremy shockey (Howard cross)

Redeyejedi
12-09-2012, 04:35 PM
Whats the take on sleepers this yr around here? We used to start a sleeper thread, but probably just put tha INFO right in this thread this yr, i suppose?

Bored , so i figured i'd write down some sleepers of mine... Sleepers can also be guys who are perdicted to go in ealyish rds, that u think are gonna be way better then where they are selected... Any sleepers out there, u guys excited about?


Chris Jones DT Bowling Green- This guy can flat out make plays.. Hes strong, but a bit undersized at listed 292 lbs.. Hes had a incredible season, and could offer value if he goes where projected, in the 4th-6th range..

Theo Rid**** RB N.Dame- Love the kid, and think he helps a team.. He can catch as well as run, and he runs harder then his size indicates.. Could be a nice additon to a duo or trio backfield..

Cierre Wood RB N.Dame- Sticking with the NDAME backfield, CIerre Wood has the more prototypical size u want outta a back, and was a prized recruit when coming out.. Has deceptive speed, and can keep it moving forward after first contact.. Solid mid to late rd RB in my opinion... Has a body type like Darren McFaddens, and is a long strider in the open field, and has decent cut back ability.. Decent reciever outta backfield...

Jake Stoneburner TE Ohio St- I like this kid as a reciever going forward.. He has frame to pile on a few more LB's, and could be a nice additon in the 5-7rd range.. A decent fall back option, if we dont go TE early..

DJ Swearinger S S.Carolina- Hes not a huge sleeper per say, but hes better then a few of the S's perdicted to go ahead of him, in my opinion.. Hes a strong , fundamentally strong kid, who is a key member of a really good defenses backfield.. He can really lay a hit and is involved in most plays it seems.. Not great ball skills, but decent, and isn't a weakness against the pass.. I'd say more of a all around safety, and not specializing in one or the other(pass or against run)..

Dennis Johnson RB Arkansas- Another RB , i know..lol This kid can take a hit and keep on moving, and has that MJD, R.Rice , D.Martin look about em, and i love those low center of gravity backs, that have some shiftiness to em as well.. He has taken over the backfield away from Knile Davis , despite some of that being Davis probably not recovering from injury as well as we hoped, still give em his props for that.. A hard runner, with deceptive speed, could be better pro then college player...

Adrian Bushell CB Louisville- A solid sized CB, who can make the plays against the pass, and was supposed to take over for Joe Haden at FLORIDA but followed Charlie Strong to Louisville.. THe kids been rising, and i expect him to continue that.. Reminds me alittle bit of another former Louisiville CB i liked alot and ended up with saints, Johnny Patrick, who went in RD3...

AJ Klein ILB Iowa St- I just like his gritty hard nosed approach and leadership qualities. he strikes me as the kinda guy who will always make it on to a team because of how hard he works, and the little things he does.. Not overly disimaler to our very own Chase Blackburn.. Good sized kid who can thump..

Jonathan Bostic ILB Florida- Another ILB i really like is Bostic.. Aggresive player, whos stout against run, and could be value on ST's as well.. I really like this kid...

Alec Lemon WR Syracuse
Shamarko Thomas S Syracuse
Earl Wolff S NC State
Blaize Foltz G T.C.U
LaAdrian Waddle OT Texas Tech
Robbie Rouse RB Fresno St.
Emory Blake WR Auburn
Steve Greer LB Virignia
Miguel Maysonet RB Stony Brook
Ryan Griffin TE UCONN
Everett Dawkins DT Florida St
Kapron Lewis-Moore DE- possibly switch to DT in a 43 pro sceme?Dennis Johnson is really good but he fumbles often, every 25 touches

BlueSanta
12-09-2012, 04:35 PM
thats funny as heck...lol I will say, i found a gazillion NFL players who had this injury.. There isn't a ton of Olineman though? Mike Wahle, Andrew Gardner, are 2of the only ones i found? Both were fine and Andrew Gardner is still in the NFL, and he wasen't that big of a prospect to begin with.. Anyhow, its fairly common, as i had about 12names, and i didn't write all the ones i found, and those were success stories..

Heres a article actually entitled NFL torn labrums common injury..lol

Scout.com: Torn Labrum Is a Common NFL injury
mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=124&f=1930&t=995268 - Similar
Seems like quite a few NFL players have suffered torm Labrum

Just wondering, if it is so common and inconsequential, why are people (not just on these boards but bigtime scouts) talking about him falling so far? It CAN be a minial injury, it can also be a very bad 1 or Oline depending on the severity and location of the tear. As I said before everyone can play with a torn labrum, for a time. Playing with it isnt a big deal. The problem is over time, if the tear is a bad 1, the rotator cuff begins because the labrum is a stablizing mechaniz, for the cuff and with it torn the cuff is loose in the socket. I guarantee at the combine they will test the strength of that shoulder in vulnerable positions. It could work out just fine and if so he will be back to high draft status. It will all depend on the combine.

Andrew Datko was a fairly highly rated prospect a couple years ago, had this procedure, then came out and the docs did not like what they saw. His draft status suffered greatly.

Anyways, I am done with this topic, you apparently know more then a guy who has had this surgery 2x and a medical professional. Either that, or you arent reading what people write and keep your blinders on saying "he will be ok." Fact is, that is a guess. There is risk associated with this injury, especially for Olineman. The mere fact that a 1st round talent is talked about falling to the 3rd + round suports what I say.

rainierjef
12-09-2012, 04:41 PM
I'm pretty confident on this one, and that is that Brennan Williams will be totally fine, and hes either gonna make it or not based on his talent... I expect to see him workout at the combine, if not before, and this 2 be a thing of the past in no time.. Also, i'd be shocked if hes not taken in the first 3rds of this yrs draft, if not earlier.. I would personally take em the end of RD 2, and love the value we'd be getting, as hes gonna be a starting RT in the NFL in no time.

Theres really not a whole lotta info out there on Olineman with this injury? I mean, Mike Wahle had it, nad returned just fine.. Andrew Gardner, a 2008 prospect from Ga.Tech had it and played with it most of the season, but he was never anyone who had a huge stock,. and was taken in the 6th rd,. and has managed to stick around in the NFL ever since..

Again, i'd be shocked if half the teams in the NFL didn't pounce on the value of having a brennan williams there to pick up in the 3rd rd, if hes still there.. Thats value galore.. Especially if hes all ready playing in all star games and participating in the NFL combine..

I hope the kid makes it, as I have mocked him in my 4th and 5th round in two mocks I did.

rainierjef
12-09-2012, 04:52 PM
A kid who got buried due to good play by his peer's / injury Philip Lutzenkirchen, Auburn, 6-5/250. I liked this kid and was hoping to see him play some more this year, I think he can come in and be a great run/pass blocker that can catch a couple of balls. he uses his body to dominate defenders in open space in the limited tape i have seen. he can play Fullback/TE. Versatile kid sad he went down this year.

7th round I'd take him, tough kid, played through injury for a couple of games.

rainierjef
12-09-2012, 05:03 PM
How do you guys feel about Michael Williams as a prospect out of Alabama. I think he was under used there and could be a steal in the later rounds. His size is extremely intriguing and he's probably a 4.7/40 no more than mid 4.8 I think guy.

rainierjef
12-09-2012, 05:09 PM
in other news: Well Redeye you were right, RGIII just got taken out of the game. who would of thought it would have been this early in his career.

BlueSanta
12-09-2012, 06:33 PM
in other news: Well Redeye you were right, RGIII just got taken out of the game. who would of thought it would have been this early in his career.

Meh I said it too. That kid has skinny legs and a tiny frame. He is a tremendous athlete and a good guy, but he will struggle to remain healthy in this league and the skins are making it worse by running the option so much.

rainierjef
12-10-2012, 01:25 AM
Is it to early to say Stevie Brown might be legit and not lucky? If so hopefully we retain kenny and with Will Hill stepping up. We might be 1-2 CB/1 LB / 1 DT/ and 1 DE away from being a top 5 defense. how does this change the dynamic of the draft?
J.Will makes one helluva difference out there. If he adds weight do you feel he can man the SAM or Herz?

slipknottin
12-10-2012, 02:04 AM
Is it to early to say Stevie Brown might be legit and not lucky? If so hopefully we retain kenny and with Will Hill stepping up. We might be 1-2 CB/1 LB / 1 DT/ and 1 DE away from being a top 5 defense. how does this change the dynamic of the draft?
J.Will makes one helluva difference out there. If he adds weight do you feel he can man the SAM or Herz?

He has been legit. But not because of the interceptions. He's done a very good job being the last line of defense. Takes good angles. Doesn't miss tackles. The interceptions are a bonus, IMO.

J Will is the future weakside backer. Boley will be gone in another year.

nycsportzfan
12-10-2012, 03:13 AM
He has been legit. But not because of the interceptions. He's done a very good job being the last line of defense. Takes good angles. Doesn't miss tackles. The interceptions are a bonus, IMO.

J Will is the future weakside backer. Boley will be gone in another year. agreed on both Stevie Brown and J.Will.. Also, man Stevie Brown justi next in line to be Jerry Reeses steal in FA'cy, or as a UDF, or in the draft.. Jesus, hes a good GM!

rainierjef
12-10-2012, 03:31 AM
He's done a very good job being the last line of defense. Takes good angles. Doesn't miss tackles.

Lol... this is what I meant :)
he has some high solo tackle numbers and he has deceptive speed, that interception where he broke on the ball and jumped in front of graham tells a lot. Always eyes on QB without losing the receiver in his point of attack, and great closing speed. I think he plays well in this system. so the question is and NYCsportsfan might put a hit out on me for this, we might not need a safety this draft. A corner definitely. I think this team is a solid LB core and another Outside CB away from being a top 5 defense and that's with the D-Line we currently have.

I asked about the SAM cause I think we save a draft-able spot by putting Kiwi back on the rotation heavily. Yes he is a great hybrid player, but you cannot deny his ability as a hands in the dirt pass rusher or run stopping DE.

Redeyejedi
12-10-2012, 10:03 AM
He has been legit. But not because of the interceptions. He's done a very good job being the last line of defense. Takes good angles. Doesn't miss tackles. The interceptions are a bonus, IMO.

J Will is the future weakside backer. Boley will be gone in another year. I think Boley has played well for the most part this year. I wouldnt cut him till Jwill can prove he can stay on the field

Redeyejedi
12-10-2012, 10:12 AM
agreed on both Stevie Brown and J.Will.. Also, man Stevie Brown justi next in line to be Jerry Reeses steal in FA'cy, or as a UDF, or in the draft.. Jesus, hes a good GM!Stevie Brown wasnt fast enough for Al Davis. I read something earlier in the year that in 2010 the Raiders coaches had Stevie Brown on the final 53 even told Brown he made the team but Al Davis didnt like that a player with better measurables was getting cut and over ruled him.

Redeyejedi
12-10-2012, 10:17 AM
Lol... this is what I meant :)
he has some high solo tackle numbers and he has deceptive speed, that interception where he broke on the ball and jumped in front of graham tells a lot. Always eyes on QB without losing the receiver in his point of attack, and great closing speed. I think he plays well in this system. so the question is and NYCsportsfan might put a hit out on me for this, we might not need a safety this draft. A corner definitely. I think this team is a solid LB core and another Outside CB away from being a top 5 defense and that's with the D-Line we currently have.

I asked about the SAM cause I think we save a draft-able spot by putting Kiwi back on the rotation heavily. Yes he is a great hybrid player, but you cannot deny his ability as a hands in the dirt pass rusher or run stopping DE. Well it wouldnt hurt to mix him in more for Tuck. JPP,Kiwi and Tuck would give us 3 solid DE's against the run. I still think they need another high quality pass rusher. I think the Giants biggest needs are both lines. Even DT could use a boost. I think its safe to say Marvin Austin is a bust. I have no confidence in him

slipknottin
12-10-2012, 10:41 AM
I think Boley has played well for the most part this year. I wouldnt cut him till Jwill can prove he can stay on the field

Well his contract ends after 2013. Not sure he will be resigned. Maybe a one or two year deal for smaller money?

Redeyejedi
12-10-2012, 11:07 AM
Where do you guy's have fresno's phillip thomas?...at 6'1" 215 with range he stacks up physically with pretty much all the high profile guys, but outshines them in production with 8int's, 3 returned for TD's and 4 sacks (This season). I've seen some highlights and he seems like a pretty complete player who is solid against the pass and the run.

He was invited to the senior bowl so I think he's a guy who could pick up some serious steam as the draft process goes on and could eventually surpass alot of these guys and be a 2nd round pick,,,,,Redeye, you know what to do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7R24OSpXVI

Not a lot of Fresno State games around I have the Oregon game and I was less then impressed. I wasnt going to put it till I found another game to package it with. A guy on Twitter offered to send me the Colorado game. Many poor angles against Oregon missed tackles but Oregon makes a lot of players look bad

BlueSanta
12-10-2012, 06:05 PM
I think Boley has played well for the most part this year. I wouldnt cut him till Jwill can prove he can stay on the field

You know, I dont agree.

I was a big Boley fan coming into the season always saying how underrated he is in the NFL. But this year he hasnt played well I rewatched that Skins game and a lot of those option plays where the skins ate up chunks of yards were on our OLBS. With the DEs taking the 1 option back the OLbs and Cbs were often left for the 2 back, depending on the defense. But our OLbs did not do a good against Morris/RG3 in that option. The 2 option ate us up and that is usually the OLB's responsbilty(not always.)

Redeyejedi
12-10-2012, 06:23 PM
Rob Rang saying Lattimore is declaring

BlueSanta
12-10-2012, 08:18 PM
Rob Rang saying Lattimore is declaring

I think it is his only hope of making money. He is hoping someone takes a chance on him and signs him, even if for a tiny bit. If he went back, he risks another injury and the prospect of people seeing just how bad his injury was.

nycsportzfan
12-10-2012, 10:39 PM
Someone will take a chance on Lattimore.. Someone will draft em, and as we've seen with gross injuries before, like Willis McGhaee's, he'll be a helpful part to a backfield.. If ur gonna have injuries like some of these guys are having, much better time to do it, then 15-20 yrs ago, because medicine just continues to evolve...

BlueSanta
12-11-2012, 12:19 AM
Someone will take a chance on Lattimore.. Someone will draft em, and as we've seen with gross injuries before, like Willis McGhaee's, he'll be a helpful part to a backfield.. If ur gonna have injuries like some of these guys are having, much better time to do it, then 15-20 yrs ago, because medicine just continues to evolve...

I agree. He will get drafted and he deserves it based on his ability prior to the injury. I am just saying that returning would be a bad choice since he might get injured again and then he would truly be done. Or, he might already be done and returning would show NFL scouts that, thereby ruining his chances of being selected next year.

I really think this was his only play.

nycsportzfan
12-11-2012, 08:48 AM
I agree. He will get drafted and he deserves it based on his ability prior to the injury. I am just saying that returning would be a bad choice since he might get injured again and then he would truly be done. Or, he might already be done and returning would show NFL scouts that, thereby ruining his chances of being selected next year.

I really think this was his only play. agreed..

nycsportzfan
12-11-2012, 08:50 AM
Anyone noticing brockers play for the rams? Dude looks good, now that hes healthy.. We all pretty much liked em around here.. Dude is playing well pretty early on, which wasen't really expected...

nycsportzfan
12-11-2012, 10:22 AM
Whats everyones take on Sanders Commings CB Georgia? Some think we got a size prefrence at CB, and could be losing big corner Corey Webster after this yr due to money reasons, and this guy could be a steal in 3rd-5th range, and has really good size at 6ft 2in 216lbs.. Could be a S/CB Hybrid type.. Following Baccari Rambo some, i noticed him, and he looks pretty solid.. Could be nice catch in 3rd-5th range.. We could always use another CB...

Redeyejedi
12-11-2012, 10:30 AM
Anyone noticing brockers play for the rams? Dude looks good, now that hes healthy.. We all pretty much liked em around here.. Dude is playing well pretty early on, which wasen't really expected... I thought he would be an elite level run defender. Havent watched much of them I see the 4 sacks but 3 were in 2 games I wonder how much pressure he has caused.U know who has been really , really good and doesnt get much media play is Bobby Wagner. The guy has 110 takles as the MLB on the best defense in the NFL this season

Redeyejedi
12-11-2012, 10:43 AM
Whats everyones take on Sanders Commings CB Georgia? Some think we got a size prefrence at CB, and could be losing big corner Corey Webster after this yr due to money reasons, and this guy could be a steal in 3rd-5th range, and has really good size at 6ft 2in 216lbs.. Could be a S/CB Hybrid type.. Following Baccari Rambo some, i noticed him, and he looks pretty solid.. Could be nice catch in 3rd-5th range.. We could always use another CB...Put up a video of couple weeks ago. Big Corner underrated


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oYC9wr_Nlk

slipknottin
12-11-2012, 10:58 AM
Put up a video of couple weeks ago. Big Corner underrated


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oYC9wr_Nlk

Might go pretty high if he runs well. Which I think he might. I might put him in my next mock as the 3rd round pick

Redeyejedi
12-11-2012, 11:45 AM
Might go pretty high if he runs well. Which I think he might. I might put him in my next mock as the 3rd round pickGoing to cut the Alabama game . He played well in that game 2. Im surprised he has flown on the radar more most of the year. He is listed at 6'1" 215 thats pretty big for a corner

slipknottin
12-11-2012, 11:55 AM
Going to cut the Alabama game . He played well in that game 2. Im surprised he has flown on the radar more most of the year. He is listed at 6'1" 215 thats pretty big for a corner

Nice

Blidi Wreh Wilson from Uconn is another bigger CB that hasent got much attention. He was being projected as a possible first rounder before the season. He's been really good in coverage but didn't put up great numbers. He could be a steal if he falls to the 3rd or 4th round.

nycsportzfan
12-11-2012, 12:39 PM
I thought he would be an elite level run defender. Havent watched much of them I see the 4 sacks but 3 were in 2 games I wonder how much pressure he has caused.U know who has been really , really good and doesnt get much media play is Bobby Wagner. The guy has 110 takles as the MLB on the best defense in the NFL this season Yup, another guy we both like.. I remember the first time we talked about him, when i asked u to put a video up of him, very early on ... My guy WHitney Mercilus is really starting to become a player down there in Houston.. Hes up to 6sacks now, with of course, a couple Forced Fumbles(thats his thing).. He wasen't playing a ton early on either..Looks like i'm gonna win the bet i had on here with(i forgot who, do u remember? If not its in this thread) for most sacks in the season.. Hes gonna have to wear whatever avatar i choose..lol