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BlueSanta
03-13-2011, 09:56 PM
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why are you constantly typing in caps?

nycsportzfan
03-13-2011, 11:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xufNIWdcs</p>


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Von Miller vs LSU Cotton Bowl</p>


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2012 RB Prospect Cyrus Gray vs LSU</p>


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiKfS2Olc9I</p>


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Patrck Peterson vs Txas A&amp;M</p>


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDNEj9TFRM</p>


i was gonna ask u about Cyrus Gray.. Cool! Hes a beast... ALso, with Fuller at WR, and Tannehill at QB, there gonna be a potent offense at A&amp;M...

I was wondering if u could do micahel egnew vs IOWA game, if u get some time....

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Michael Egnew is definitely on the list he may be the best TE in the class . I have3 games with him Nebraska ,Iowa, and Illinois</p>


Awesome... All good games... I just wanted to watch the game against Iowa alittle closer, as i seen it live, and he really had a good game, and i wanted to be able to go back and pause certain things and what not.. All 3 of those games, are good though, and any one will be fine by me... Hes a great pass catcher, kinda came outta nowhere this past yr..
He is a little light right now but he has the frame to put on weight and still keep his quickness. </p>


Im watching BC Nevada right now. Virgil Green blocks like a WR.</p> ya, hes a pass catcher... The thing is though, who knows in 3yrs what Virgil will be at in that progression of his game... If the values there, if not, u don't risk that you have another Beckum, and u move on..

VIrgil makes a Catch in that game, that was ridiculous that i believe they call incomplete, but it wasen't...

Also, u were showing that stuff about Da'rell Scott, and i didn't know if u knew, but Nic Grigsby of ARIZONA, had possibly the best Proday so far, with the best Vertical we've seen and a sub 4.40 at 4.38...

This is from CBS SPORTS, but its all over the web.. he killed it...

Running back Nic Grigsby was clocked at 4.38 seconds in the 40-yard dash by one league source I spoke to following Saturday's workout. The scout also noted that the 5-11, 199 pound Grigsby had a 43" vertical jump, which would have led all Combine participants this year.
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What I dont get about Scott is that most outlets were predicting him as a 6th rounder and then he runs a sub 4.4 now he is a late 1st, I dont get it. U cold tell Scott was fast on tape at least I could. I expected him to run a 4.4. The thing is speed was never the problem in the first place with Scott Ya, thats true... Kinda silly... Maybe he was always rated alittle higher, but Draft Sites had it wrong..

Redeyejedi
03-14-2011, 09:55 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4xufNIWdcs</P>


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Von Miller vs LSU Cotton Bowl</P>


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2012 RB Prospect Cyrus Gray vs LSU</P>


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiKfS2Olc9I</P>


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Patrck Peterson vs Txas A&amp;M</P>


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RDNEj9TFRM</P>


i was gonna ask u about Cyrus Gray.. Cool! Hes a beast... ALso, with Fuller at WR, and Tannehill at QB, there gonna be a potent offense at A&amp;M...

I was wondering if u could do micahel egnew vs IOWA game, if u get some time....

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Michael Egnew is definitely on the list he may be the best TE in the class . I have3 games with him Nebraska ,Iowa, and Illinois</P>


Awesome... All good games... I just wanted to watch the game against Iowa alittle closer, as i seen it live, and he really had a good game, and i wanted to be able to go back and pause certain things and what not.. All 3 of those games, are good though, and any one will be fine by me... Hes a great pass catcher, kinda came outta nowhere this past yr..
He is a little light right now but he has the frame to put on weight and still keep his quickness. </P>


Im watching BC Nevada right now. Virgil Green blocks like a WR.</P>


ya, hes a pass catcher... The thing is though, who knows in 3yrs what Virgil will be at in that progression of his game... If the values there, if not, u don't risk that you have another Beckum, and u move on..

VIrgil makes a Catch in that game, that was ridiculous that i believe they call incomplete, but it wasen't...

Also, u were showing that stuff about Da'rell Scott, and i didn't know if u knew, but Nic Grigsby of ARIZONA, had possibly the best Proday so far, with the best Vertical we've seen and a sub 4.40 at 4.38...

This is from CBS SPORTS, but its all over the web.. he killed it...

Running back Nic Grigsby was clocked at 4.38 seconds in the 40-yard dash by one league source I spoke to following Saturday's workout. The scout also noted that the 5-11, 199 pound Grigsby had a 43" vertical jump, which would have led all Combine participants this year.
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What I dont get about Scott is that most outlets were predicting him as a 6th rounder and then he runs a sub 4.4 now he is a late 1st, I dont get it. U cold tell Scott was fast on tape at least I could. I expected him to run a 4.4. The thing is speed was never the problem in the first place with Scott Ya, thats true... Kinda silly... Maybe he was always rated alittle higher, but Draft Sites had it wrong..
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While we are on the subject of Da'Rel Scott</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWVxs5aPBMY</P>


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Da'rel Scott vs ECU</P>

Redeyejedi
03-14-2011, 03:02 PM
I believe someone on here liked Dwayne Harris</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUaPo97Ajhw</P>


Dwayne Harris vs Maryland</P>

Redeyejedi
03-14-2011, 06:43 PM
2012 NFL Draft vid</P>


Luke Kuelchy BC vs Nevada </P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz1g1K-wPqo</P>

Redeyejedi
03-14-2011, 09:02 PM
2012 NFL Draft vid</P>


Luke Kuelchy BC vs Nevada </P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz1g1K-wPqo</P>


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His teammate Mark Herzlich same game</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjWeyfzATkk</P>


The more I watch of Mark the more I think he will get drafted by a 3-4 team to play inside</P>

Redeyejedi
03-14-2011, 11:40 PM
2012 NFL Draft vid</P>


Luke Kuelchy BC vs Nevada </P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz1g1K-wPqo</P>


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His teammate Mark Herzlich same game</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjWeyfzATkk</P>


The more I watch of Mark the more I think he will get drafted by a 3-4 team to play inside</P>


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Dontay Moch vs BC</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa_5KlkSuBM</P>


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Anthony Costonzo vs Nevada</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kI9qoKfjOk</P>

Raptor22
03-15-2011, 02:28 PM
Thanks Redeye (b^.^)b




2012 NFL Draft vid</p>


Luke Kuelchy BC vs Nevada </p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz1g1K-wPqo</p>

The most frustrating thing about guys like that is that ultimately, you don't want them...

here's hoping for a sucky season for Kuechly next year? (I can hope that SOMETHING happens and he's there at 32)

Neverend
03-15-2011, 04:44 PM
Finally redeye you're starting to upload some linebacker prospects.</P>


Keuchly is amazing, I was amazed at his performance a few months ago after the hunger bowl. One of the most disruptive inside linebackers in college football I've ever seen. Maybe we can live with Goff for one more year and draft him, 2012 ILB class is extremely talented.</P>

Neverend
03-15-2011, 04:49 PM
here's hoping for a sucky season for Kuechly next year? (I can hope that SOMETHING happens and he's there at 32)
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It's funny. I recall people were saying the same thing about Mark Ingram last year when he won the heisman. Now he had a down year with injuries and won't get selected in the top 10 and people suddenly don't want him, lol.</P>

heavyhitter
03-15-2011, 09:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU3CILPRDp0</p>


Janoris Jenkins vs Alabama</p>


Not much here because Janoris Jenkins played his *** off in this game. He shut down Julio Jones</p>


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Diagnosed some plays excellently there. Probably will be a top 10 pick next year unless some corner arises</p>


Slip said he got a 3rd round grade from the draft committee this year.
</p><font size="3">C'mon man, Janoris Jenkins a 3rd round grade?? ESPN and Scouts, Inc had him projected as the 3rd best CB in this years draft. </font>
<p align="center">http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz62/only_gators2/janoris-ahmad.jpg</p>

heavyhitter
03-15-2011, 09:42 PM
<font size="3">Depends on what underclassmen declare next year but this guy is in my top 3 safety's for the 2012 draft. 6'4, 220 lbs, blazing speed, and will light you up. </font>
<h3>Kenny Tate vs. Florida State (2010) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHglU3nYRqQ)</h3>

Redeyejedi
03-15-2011, 11:03 PM
<FONT size=3>Depends on what underclassmen declare next year but this guy is in my top 3 safety's for the 2012 draft. 6'4, 220 lbs, blazing speed, and will light you up. </FONT>

<H3>Kenny Tate vs. Florida State (2010) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHglU3nYRqQ)</H3>


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I like Tate surprised he didnt come out. Changing coaches weak safety class U would think he would of jumped for the NFL. Maybe he didnt want to deal with the work stoppage</P>

Redeyejedi
03-15-2011, 11:05 PM
Finally redeye you're starting to upload some linebacker prospects.</P>


Keuchly is amazing, I was amazed at his performance a few months ago after the hunger bowl. One of the most disruptive inside linebackers in college football I've ever seen. Maybe we can live with Goff for one more year and draft him, 2012 ILB class is extremely talented.</P>


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I got one coming from Vontaze Burfict and Nigel Bradham</P>

Redeyejedi
03-16-2011, 07:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxQEkLHo0F4</P>


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Now here is a linebacker Vontaze Burfict vs Arizona</P>


I love how he never goes backwards in a collision. Watch him at 8.05 he stays low, plants and explodes through the tackle and fires the ball carrier back. No getting knocked back for extra yards with Vontaze Burfict</P>

Redeyejedi
03-16-2011, 11:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyI9U9m-Gms</P>


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Ricky Elmore vs Arizona State</P>

nycsportzfan
03-20-2011, 08:01 AM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif

Davon House, CB, New Mexico State

Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.


3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.

thegreatone
03-20-2011, 10:19 AM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif

Davon House, CB, New Mexico State

Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.


3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.













4.35? damn. he might be worth trading back in the first and getting now. i really wanted smith but with his character concerns i know that isnt happening.

BlueSanta
03-20-2011, 10:20 AM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif

Davon House, CB, New Mexico State

Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.


3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.















He is a good player. I do not think he makes it to the 3rd round Giants pick. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if some team fell in love with him enough to take him before our 2nd round pick.

I'd love to know who is bringing him in for private workouts.

Redeyejedi
03-20-2011, 10:40 AM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.
3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.





Yeah I really like House as well. His tape is very good and he has good size and speed as well. I really liked Jimmy Smith but with the character concerns I would pass. House would be my next choice for a corner. Withthe receivers teams like the Cowboys and Eagles have U need to get as many cover guys as possible. I really hope he is on the board in the second but he probably gets snatched up early in the second round. At the moment Im hoping the Giants trade back out of the first and look at Davon House, Stefan Wisniewski and Corey Liguet. I like Liguet but not in the first round

nycsportzfan
03-20-2011, 05:34 PM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif

Davon House, CB, New Mexico State

Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.


3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.















He is a good player. I do not think he makes it to the 3rd round Giants pick. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if some team fell in love with him enough to take him before our 2nd round pick.

I'd love to know who is bringing him in for private workouts.




Oh, i totally don't expect him to make it into RD 3... He was a 2nd rd guy, in my eyes before the COmbine...He may have a Kyle Wilson like Assension into Late RD 1 consideration.. Hes really good, and the combine and proday are just giving NFL gm's more reason to consider him for Late RD 1 or early Rd 2...

Redeyejedi
03-20-2011, 05:40 PM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.
3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.







He is a good player. I do not think he makes it to the 3rd round Giants pick. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if some team fell in love with him enough to take him before our 2nd round pick.

I'd love to know who is bringing him in for private workouts.




Oh, i totally don't expect him to make it into RD 3... He was a 2nd rd guy, in my eyes before the COmbine...He may have a Kyle Wilson like Assension into Late RD 1 consideration.. Hes really good, and the combine and proday are just giving NFL gm's more reason to consider him for Late RD 1 or early Rd 2...
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He has tape and measurables if he was playing at Alabama he would be a Top20 pick. This is a real good corner class I really think the Giants should come away with one of these guys. At the moment I would rather the Giants to trade down. The players to me at 19 arent that much better then the players that are at 40. If U had the choice would U rather have Pouncey or House and Wisniewski . Would U rather have Castanzo orIjalana and House. Would U rather have corey Liguet or Drake Nevis and House</P>

nycsportzfan
03-21-2011, 03:00 PM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.
3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.







He is a good player. I do not think he makes it to the 3rd round Giants pick. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if some team fell in love with him enough to take him before our 2nd round pick.

I'd love to know who is bringing him in for private workouts.




Oh, i totally don't expect him to make it into RD 3... He was a 2nd rd guy, in my eyes before the COmbine...He may have a Kyle Wilson like Assension into Late RD 1 consideration.. Hes really good, and the combine and proday are just giving NFL gm's more reason to consider him for Late RD 1 or early Rd 2...
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He has tape and measurables if he was playing at Alabama he would be a Top20 pick. This is a real good corner class I really think the Giants should come away with one of these guys. At the moment I would rather the Giants to trade down. The players to me at 19 arent that much better then the players that are at 40. If U had the choice would U rather have Pouncey or House and Wisniewski . Would U rather have Castanzo orIjalana and House. Would U rather have corey Liguet or Drake Nevis and House</p> very true.. I'm more then fine with trading down, and gathering picks... I like the combo picks u put together.... u know how reese is though, and it seems he never does that..

Raptor22
03-21-2011, 03:10 PM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.
3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.







He is a good player. I do not think he makes it to the 3rd round Giants pick. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if some team fell in love with him enough to take him before our 2nd round pick.

I'd love to know who is bringing him in for private workouts.




Oh, i totally don't expect him to make it into RD 3... He was a 2nd rd guy, in my eyes before the COmbine...He may have a Kyle Wilson like Assension into Late RD 1 consideration.. Hes really good, and the combine and proday are just giving NFL gm's more reason to consider him for Late RD 1 or early Rd 2...
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He has tape and measurables if he was playing at Alabama he would be a Top20 pick. This is a real good corner class I really think the Giants should come away with one of these guys. At the moment I would rather the Giants to trade down. The players to me at 19 arent that much better then the players that are at 40. If U had the choice would U rather have Pouncey or House and Wisniewski . Would U rather have Castanzo orIjalana and House. Would U rather have corey Liguet or Drake Nevis and House</p> very true.. I'm more then fine with trading down, and gathering picks... I like the combo picks u put together.... u know how reese is though, and it seems he never does that..


I have to say, Nevis &amp; House would be BEASTLY. Nevis is probably my no.2 most wanted DT (behind Paea). at ~295, Fewell could line him up all over the place, and with his first step and power, he'd be a match up nightmare. And House would be a top 15 pick if he was coming out of a bigger school (or had better safeties behind him).

If they somehow got Nevis, House, Carter, Irving, and Sands I'd be one ecstatic Giants fan...

Redeyejedi
03-21-2011, 03:31 PM
And, heres my guy Davon House... I'm telling you, this guys a 1st rd talent... Hes special... Also, Derek Newton, the OT from Ark St, shined again at his proday.. Ive been talking about him for some time now as well..

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/NewMexicoState_logo.gif Davon House, CB, New Mexico State
Height: 6-1. Weight: 200.
Projected 40 Time: 4.44.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.35.
Benchx225: 14. Vertical: 33.5. Arm: 31 7/8.
Projected Round (2011): 2-3.
3/19/11: Davon House blew up his Pro Day with a 4.35 40. He really improved his chances of being drafted in the second round.







He is a good player. I do not think he makes it to the 3rd round Giants pick. In fact, I wouldnt be surprised if some team fell in love with him enough to take him before our 2nd round pick.

I'd love to know who is bringing him in for private workouts.




Oh, i totally don't expect him to make it into RD 3... He was a 2nd rd guy, in my eyes before the COmbine...He may have a Kyle Wilson like Assension into Late RD 1 consideration.. Hes really good, and the combine and proday are just giving NFL gm's more reason to consider him for Late RD 1 or early Rd 2...
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He has tape and measurables if he was playing at Alabama he would be a Top20 pick. This is a real good corner class I really think the Giants should come away with one of these guys. At the moment I would rather the Giants to trade down. The players to me at 19 arent that much better then the players that are at 40. If U had the choice would U rather have Pouncey or House and Wisniewski . Would U rather have Castanzo orIjalana and House. Would U rather have corey Liguet or Drake Nevis and House</P> very true.. I'm more then fine with trading down, and gathering picks... I like the combo picks u put together.... u know how reese is though, and it seems he never does that..
Yeah I dont know why. That to me is the best strategy. I would rather have multiple 2nd and 3rd rounders then one first.Look at the Pro Bowlers the Giants have recently had Tuck,Osi,Snee, Smith ,Diehl, Ohara only Manning was a first rounder. Good players ,Starters, Pro Bowlers, come from every round the more guys U bring in the more chances U have to find a good player.

Redeyejedi
03-21-2011, 07:45 PM
U guys think Michael Floyd is an alcoholic. He just got suspended by Notre Dame for getting a DWI. It was the 3rd run in for him involving alcohol since 2009

CGYgiant
03-21-2011, 11:03 PM
U guys think Michael Floyd is an alcoholic. He just got suspended by Notre Dame for getting a DWI. It was the 3rd run in for him involving alcohol since 2009

Not alcoholic just parties to much, I hope he gets things together by draft time next year, the kid is a beast.

anyways, does anyone know of the character concerns about Jimmy Smith? Ive only read that he has them.... not what the are.

nycsportzfan
03-22-2011, 04:16 AM
U guys think Michael Floyd is an alcoholic. He just got suspended by Notre Dame for getting a DWI. It was the 3rd run in for him involving alcohol since 2009 Just a stupid kid, who probably dosen't think of consequnces yet, like he should... Hopefully, he'll learn, because hes really a special talent, who i've watched wk in and wk out(when hes healthy), of his whole career..



Man, not to change subjects, but a guy i was wondering about(kinda randomely), all though, i have mentioned him once or twice throughout the months on here, had a real good proday, and i really feel good about this kid, as i did his teammate last yr(roger saffold), and i was wondering what u thought of him, and if u possibly could flip a video on of him, James Brewer OT Indiana... This kids got Kareem McKenzies longterm Replacement written all over him... if hes there in RD 3, he'd be tempting, because i'm not sure, theres that many true RT's in this draft, who have as much NFL starting potential as him..
Hes a outstanding run blocker, sustains his blocks on the 2nd level, and has alot of stregth, generated by a powerful lower half.. Hes also a above avg pass blocker.. He really moves well for a man his size..

With more expiernece, and less injurys, Brewer is up there with Roger Saffold,as a early 2nd rd pick, possibly late 1st, and i'm pretty sold on this kid, all though, i'd like to see alittle more tape, as i may have caught only 2or3 games of his , and only have that and a whole bunch of read write-ups to go on..

Redeyejedi
03-22-2011, 08:20 AM
U guys think Michael Floyd is an alcoholic. He just got suspended by Notre Dame for getting a DWI. It was the 3rd run in for him involving alcohol since 2009 Just a stupid kid, who probably dosen't think of consequnces yet, like he should... Hopefully, he'll learn, because hes really a special talent, who i've watched wk in and wk out(when hes healthy), of his whole career..



Man, not to change subjects, but a guy i was wondering about(kinda randomely), all though, i have mentioned him once or twice throughout the months on here, had a real good proday, and i really feel good about this kid, as i did his teammate last yr(roger saffold), and i was wondering what u thought of him, and if u possibly could flip a video on of him, James Brewer OT Indiana... This kids got Kareem McKenzies longterm Replacement written all over him... if hes there in RD 3, he'd be tempting, because i'm not sure, theres that many true RT's in this draft, who have as much NFL starting potential as him..
Hes a outstanding run blocker, sustains his blocks on the 2nd level, and has alot of stregth, generated by a powerful lower half.. Hes also a above avg pass blocker.. He really moves well for a man his size..

With more expiernece, and less injurys, Brewer is up there with Roger Saffold,as a early 2nd rd pick, possibly late 1st, and i'm pretty sold on this kid, all though, i'd like to see alittle more tape, as i may have caught only 2or3 games of his , and only have that and a whole bunch of read write-ups to go on..
Yeah I can do that Im so back logged with footage I scribed but havent made the vids. Im hoping to get Stefen Wisniewski and Robert Sands done sometime today.

heavyhitter
03-22-2011, 04:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxQEkLHo0F4</p>


</p>


Now here is a linebacker Vontaze Burfict vs Arizona</p>


I love how he never goes backwards in a collision. Watch him at 8.05 he stays low, plants and explodes through the tackle and fires the ball carrier back. No getting knocked back for extra yards with Vontaze Burfict</p>This guy is a beast and has 1st round talent written all over him. I know he's only a junior, but I can see him declaring early w/ a strong showing this year.

heavyhitter
03-22-2011, 04:28 PM
U guys think <font size="3"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Michael Floyd</span></font> is an alcoholic. He just got suspended by Notre Dame for getting a DWI. It was the 3rd run in for him involving alcohol since 2009<font size="3"> He'll go down as one of the best receivers in Notre Dame history but I don't think we'll see him play another down for the Irish. </font>

Redeyejedi
03-22-2011, 04:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxQEkLHo0F4</P>


</P>


Now here is a linebacker Vontaze Burfict vs Arizona</P>


I love how he never goes backwards in a collision. Watch him at 8.05 he stays low, plants and explodes through the tackle and fires the ball carrier back. No getting knocked back for extra yards with Vontaze Burfict</P>This guy is a beast and has 1st round talent written all over him. I know he's only a junior, but I can see him declaring early w/ a strong showing this year.
There is a little Ray Lewis in him

heavyhitter
03-22-2011, 04:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxQEkLHo0F4</p>


</p>


Now here is a linebacker Vontaze Burfict vs Arizona</p>


I love how he never goes backwards in a collision. Watch him at 8.05 he stays low, plants and explodes through the tackle and fires the ball carrier back. No getting knocked back for extra yards with Vontaze Burfict</p>This guy is a beast and has 1st round talent written all over him. I know he's only a junior, but I can see him declaring early w/ a strong showing this year.
There is a little Ray Lewis in himI'd say so. He's got good size to him, does he play the WILL or SAM or is he strictly MIKE?

Redeyejedi
03-23-2011, 06:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPMkroHBPqM</P>


<SPAN class="" id=eow-title dir=ltr title="Stefen Wisniewski vs Alabama">Stefen Wisniewski vs Alabama </SPAN></P>

Raptor22
03-23-2011, 07:35 PM
<font size="3">Mayock just predicted (well, insinuated) that the Patriots are going to grab Bruce Carter.

My reaction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s)
</font>

Redeyejedi
03-23-2011, 08:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxQEkLHo0F4</P>


</P>


Now here is a linebacker Vontaze Burfict vs Arizona</P>


I love how he never goes backwards in a collision. Watch him at 8.05 he stays low, plants and explodes through the tackle and fires the ball carrier back. No getting knocked back for extra yards with Vontaze Burfict</P>


This guy is a beast and has 1st round talent written all over him. I know he's only a junior, but I can see him declaring early w/ a strong showing this year.
There is a little Ray Lewis in himI'd say so. He's got good size to him, does he play the WILL or SAM or is he strictly MIKE?
</P>


He is a leader and a hell of a downhill type player. He can probably play outside but he belongs in the middle</P>

Raptor22
03-23-2011, 08:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPMkroHBPqM</p>


<span class="" id="eow-title" dir="ltr" title="Stefen Wisniewski vs Alabama">Stefen Wisniewski vs Alabama </span></p>

Thanks (b^.^)b

I wonder if he'd be around in the top of the 2nd... (I'm thinking trade back with Atlanta, and then out with one of the QB starved teams, who may want to grab Mallet while they've got the chance), pick up 3 2nd rounders, and grab Wisniewski, Carter, and Drake Nevis.


A guy can dream can't he?

Redeyejedi
03-23-2011, 08:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szc_lifemDE&amp;feature=channel_video_title</P>


</P>


Best Center in CFB Peter Konz Wisconsin vs TCU</P>

thegreatone
03-23-2011, 09:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szc_lifemDE&amp;feature=channel_video_title</p>


</p>


Best Center in CFB Peter Konz Wisconsin vs TCU</p>
like ive said before. if its a wisconsin lineman, im all for him.

heavyhitter
03-24-2011, 06:55 AM
<font size="3">Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </font>
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Photo by Nancy Lane
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<div id="trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea">

<div class="ArticleSummary">
<font size="3">PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty
(right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during
yesterdayís Pro Day.
</font></div>
</div>

heavyhitter
03-24-2011, 07:00 AM
<font size="3">Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </font>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryPicArea">http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</div>
<div class="PhotoCredit">
Photo by Nancy Lane
</div>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea">

<div class="ArticleSummary">
<font size="3">PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty
(right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during
yesterdayís Pro Day.
</font></div>
</div>
<font size="3">Complete list of teams and players in attendance at BCís Pro Day (http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/newengland/football/patriots/2011/03/23/complete-list-of-teams-and-players-in-attendance-at-bcs-pro-day/)</font>

nycsportzfan
03-24-2011, 10:04 AM
<font size="3">Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </font>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryPicArea">http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</div>
<div class="PhotoCredit">
Photo by Nancy Lane
</div>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea">

<div class="ArticleSummary">
<font size="3">PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty
(right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during
yesterdayís Pro Day.
</font></div>
</div>
I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then... Ayers is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...

Raptor22
03-24-2011, 10:30 AM
<font size="3">Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </font>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryPicArea">http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</div>
<div class="PhotoCredit">
Photo by Nancy Lane
</div>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea">

<div class="ArticleSummary">
<font size="3">PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty
(right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during
yesterdayís Pro Day.
</font></div>
</div>
I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then... Ayers is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...


For fun, I just went through every 2009 mock draft I could get my hands on. Not one had the Giants taking Nicks. Most had them taking either Matthews or Cushing, with a couple saying either Kenny Britt or Petigrew (L. English was another name I saw).

I don't remember anyone saying JPP last year (not that anyone expected Oakland to make a rational move and pick him).

Redeyejedi
03-24-2011, 06:16 PM
<FONT size=3>Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </FONT>

<DIV id=trackPhotoGalleryPicArea>http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</DIV>
<DIV class=PhotoCredit>Photo by Nancy Lane </DIV>
<DIV id=trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea>
<DIV class=ArticleSummary><FONT size=3>PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty (right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during yesterdayís Pro Day. </FONT></DIV></DIV>
I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then... Ayers is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...


For fun, I just went through every 2009 mock draft I could get my hands on. Not one had the Giants taking Nicks. Most had them taking either Matthews or Cushing, with a couple saying either Kenny Britt or Petigrew (L. English was another name I saw).

I don't remember anyone saying JPP last year (not that anyone expected Oakland to make a rational move and pick him).
I didnt see much of Paul but I did see DE's. I saw Derrick Morgan and Kiper had the Giants taking Dunlap for awhile

Redeyejedi
03-24-2011, 06:17 PM
This isnt my Vid but Sportzfan likes him so I thought Id post it</P>


Johnny Patrick vs Southern Miss</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3EuiQqcgT0&amp;feature=channel_video_title</P>

Redeyejedi
03-24-2011, 07:04 PM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Behind-the-Measurements-Height-vs-Arm-Length-6572.html</P>


Wes Bunting Breaks down the top tackles size</P>

Redeyejedi
03-24-2011, 11:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJsoc-5_9z0</P>


Brooks Reed vs ASU</P>

heavyhitter
03-25-2011, 04:05 AM
<font size="3">Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </font>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryPicArea">http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</div>
<div class="PhotoCredit">
Photo by Nancy Lane
</div>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea">

<div class="ArticleSummary">
<font size="3">PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty
(right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during
yesterdayís Pro Day.
</font></div>
</div>
I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then...<font size="4"> Ayers</font> is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...
<h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Anthony Castonzo (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81ec6cdc/First-Draft-Anthony-Castonzo)</font></h3>
<h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Akeem Ayers (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81ee98d2/First-Draft-Akeem-Ayers)</font></h3>

heavyhitter
03-25-2011, 04:13 AM
<h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Kyle Rudolph (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81ee5a62/First-Draft-Kyle-Rudolph)</font></h3><h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Rahim Moore (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81ec6eb5/First-Draft-Rahim-Moore)</font>
</h3><font size="4">Mark Ingram (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81eaad41/First-Draft-Mark-Ingram)</font><font size="3"><u>

Friday, March 25</u>
Ľ Virginia Tech quarterback Tyrod Taylor (Path to the Draft, 6:00 PM ET; NFL Total Access 7:00 PM ET)</font>

nycsportzfan
03-25-2011, 08:11 AM
<font size="3">Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </font>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryPicArea">http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</div>
<div class="PhotoCredit">
Photo by Nancy Lane
</div>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea">

<div class="ArticleSummary">
<font size="3">PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty
(right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during
yesterdayís Pro Day.
</font></div>
</div>
I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then... Ayers is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...


For fun, I just went through every 2009 mock draft I could get my hands on. Not one had the Giants taking Nicks. Most had them taking either Matthews or Cushing, with a couple saying either Kenny Britt or Petigrew (L. English was another name I saw).

I don't remember anyone saying JPP last year (not that anyone expected Oakland to make a rational move and pick him).
ya, there was alot of talk about the giants taking a WR though, and nicks,britt, and harvins names were always talked about, but most had those guys gone before we picked, if i remember correctly.. I know, there was a ton of people on here chattering about nicks and other WR's.. I loved nicks, but had Britt ranked the highest, but i liked all of em, except Harvin and Heyward bey, and i wasen't a fan of brian robiske in rd 1 either(that was slips guy)... ALso, as far as JPP, alot of people had diffrent opinions on where he was gonna go, and most thought, OAK would of been nuts to take em, becasue of his lack of EXP, and they thought they'd be doing what they always do, going with the workout warrior.. So, actually, people thought it would be the exact opposite, of rational, and it would be ill-rational if they took JPP.. I defended JPP right up untill draft day, when most on here, were not happy at all...

Who knows, whats gonna happen, this yr, as u just never know, whos gonna trade up, and whos gonna surprise and take a guy that people didn't think they were gonna.. People gotta remember, one or 2picks that are surprises, change everything...

nycsportzfan
03-25-2011, 08:12 AM
<h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Kyle Rudolph (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81ee5a62/First-Draft-Kyle-Rudolph)</font></h3><h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Rahim Moore (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81ec6eb5/First-Draft-Rahim-Moore)</font>
</h3><font size="4">Mark Ingram (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81eaad41/First-Draft-Mark-Ingram)</font><font size="3"><u>

Friday, March 25</u>
Ľ Virginia Tech quarterback Tyrod Taylor (Path to the Draft, 6:00 PM ET; NFL Total Access 7:00 PM ET)</font>

Fantastic stuff... Ayers is so multi-dimensional... God, that would of been the 3rd incredible INT if he could of came up with it(the one he batted, spun around and made diving attempt for).. Hes such a beast....

nycsportzfan
03-25-2011, 08:21 AM
This isnt my Vid but Sportzfan likes him so I thought Id post it</p>


Johnny Patrick vs Southern Miss</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3EuiQqcgT0&amp;feature=channel_video_title</p>ya, i watched that game.. It wasen't his best game, but he clearly showed big play potential, and the ability to play real physical, and do many diffrent things... It was tough for me to decide between Davon House and Johnny Patrick as my guy i'm gonna endorse heavily till the draft, all though i obviously love both of em... One thing people gotta remember as well, when watching that, is So.Miss is a spread offense, so obviously , theres gonna be plays where johnny gets beat, its just so hard to not against those type offenses... But, man he does make plays, and really can stick with a WR on a deep ball, and even a slant.. I love his pursuit on his blitz's....

When i was first talking alot about him, no one, really was, and he seemed to be more of a 5th-7th rd guy at the time, and i wondered why, and made a couple statments, of how i guranteed he would be moving up a bunch of rds by the time the draft got here, because he really flew under the radar at Louisville.. It was one of those calls, u don't really feel like u desrve any credit, because it was so blatently obvious... I knew he was gonna move to 2nd-3rd rd contention, once scouts and draft site guys got a chance to go back and really see what he did in his game tapes.. Awesome player

Redeyejedi
03-25-2011, 11:22 AM
Hey Sportzfan U think Johnny Patrick could gain 10 pounds and play safety. He plays the run well and plays better in off man and zone then press coverage. He has ball skills andis agood blitzer as well. It seems like he has good skills playing the QB.He is more of aslot guy to me but he looks like player. I liked his performance in the bowl game and I thought the TD he got beat on there could of been a push off by the receiver.

Redeyejedi
03-25-2011, 11:29 AM
<FONT size=3>Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </FONT>

<DIV id=trackPhotoGalleryPicArea>http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</DIV>
<DIV class=PhotoCredit>Photo by Nancy Lane </DIV>
<DIV id=trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea>
<DIV class=ArticleSummary><FONT size=3>PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty (right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during yesterdayís Pro Day. </FONT></DIV></DIV>



I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then... Ayers is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...


For fun, I just went through every 2009 mock draft I could get my hands on. Not one had the Giants taking Nicks. Most had them taking either Matthews or Cushing, with a couple saying either Kenny Britt or Petigrew (L. English was another name I saw).

I don't remember anyone saying JPP last year (not that anyone expected Oakland to make a rational move and pick him).
ya, there was alot of talk about the giants taking a WR though, and nicks,britt, and harvins names were always talked about, but most had those guys gone before we picked, if i remember correctly.. I know, there was a ton of people on here chattering about nicks and other WR's.. I loved nicks, but had Britt ranked the highest, but i liked all of em, except Harvin and Heyward bey, and i wasen't a fan of brian robiske in rd 1 either(that was slips guy)... ALso, as far as JPP, alot of people had diffrent opinions on where he was gonna go, and most thought, OAK would of been nuts to take em, becasue of his lack of EXP, and they thought they'd be doing what they always do, going with the workout warrior.. So, actually, people thought it would be the exact opposite, of rational, and it would be ill-rational if they took JPP.. I defended JPP right up untill draft day, when most on here, were not happy at all...

Who knows, whats gonna happen, this yr, as u just never know, whos gonna trade up, and whos gonna surprise and take a guy that people didn't think they were gonna.. People gotta remember, one or 2picks that are surprises, change everything...
</P>


We had similar WR rankings both of us werent full believers in Crabtree and took some slack for it. I liked Harvinbut Im glad the Giants didnt end up with him . I still believe Britt can be a dominant player. He has flashed that dominant take over game abilitybut the Giants seemed to have scouted him right as they thought he needed some work and was more of a 2nd rounder. The Giants scouts seem to know what there doing with the WR's</P>

Raptor22
03-25-2011, 01:52 PM
Akeem Ayers Interview (http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/3/25/2071471/exclusive-akeem-ayers-feels-like-great-fit-for-giants#storyjump)

Somebody get NYC a room and a tissue


I keed, I keed...


In all seriousness, I do love this:


"When it's all said and done you're looking for a football player.
You're not looking for someone who can just run 40 yards in a straight
line or someone who's got a good broad jump," Ayers said. "You want
somebody who can tackle, who can bend, who can make cuts and just make
plays. </p>


"I believe it's pretty much what you can do on the field, your
production and your game film. Some guys are just great at doing these
Combine drills when it doesn't really translate to what kind of plays
you can make on the field.</p>


"You're looking for a football player, not a track runner or a weight lifter."</p>

CruzSoldier
03-25-2011, 06:37 PM
Lord I hope not this guy is nowhere near "elite"at best he's a RT to add I wouldn't draft RB Mark Ingram I think the giants should either trade up for a CB or WR or trade back to the 2nd round and go after LB's and OL not that big a differance between the 1st RD lineman and the 2nd RD ones.

Redeyejedi
03-25-2011, 06:44 PM
<FONT size=3>Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </FONT>

<DIV id=trackPhotoGalleryPicArea>http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</DIV>
<DIV class=PhotoCredit>Photo by Nancy Lane </DIV>
<DIV id=trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea>
<DIV class=ArticleSummary><FONT size=3>PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty (right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during yesterdayís Pro Day. </FONT></DIV></DIV>



I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then... Ayers is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...
</P>


I think Tyron Smith is there first choice but Im guessing he wont be on the board. I suspect there realistic board looks like this </P>


1.Tyron Smith</P>


2.Anthony Castanzo</P>


3.Mike Pouncey</P>


4.Corey Liguet</P>


</P>

Raptor22
03-25-2011, 07:03 PM
<font size="3">Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </font>

<div id="trackPhotoGalleryPicArea">http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20110324/2f80d3_032311prodaynl08.jpg</div>
<div class="PhotoCredit">Photo by Nancy Lane </div>
<div id="trackPhotoGalleryArticleArea">
<div class="ArticleSummary"><font size="3">PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty (right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during yesterdayís Pro Day. </font></div></div>



I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then... Ayers is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...
</p>


I think Tyron Smith is there first choice but Im guessing he wont be on the board. I suspect there realistic board looks like this </p>


1.Tyron Smith</p>


2.Anthony Castanzo</p>


3.Mike Pouncey</p>


4.Corey Liguet</p>


</p>

I could see that. However, I don't think Castonzo is any kind of upgrade over Beatty... and he proved in college that he can't play (he got moved from RT to LT because of a lack of power). That was also the knock on Beatty coming out (lack of power/bulk).

On another note: What do you guys think of Greg Little, WR from NC? I hadn't thought much about him till Mayock started talking him up last night. If he's there in the 4th, I don't see Reese not pulling the trigger. Big, fast WR with hands like glue, return ability, and ridiculous value? Sounds like classic JR. With SS12's health in question, and Nick's injury history, I could see it, even with Barden, Cruz, and Thomas waiting in the wings.

Edit: The more I read up about him, I want this kid...
Sideline Scouting (http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/wr/greg-little.shtml)
CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1242997)
National Football Post (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&amp;player=68367)

thegreatone
03-25-2011, 08:42 PM
<font size="3">Anthony Castonzo had his Pro Day yesterday. Plenty of scouts from other teams were in attendance, but only the Giants and Patriots had their Offensive Line coach there. Will Castonzo still be on the board at 19, and if so do the Giants take him? </font>

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<div class="ArticleSummary"><font size="3">PRO INSTRUCTIONS: Giants offensive line coach Pat Flaherty (right) directs Boston Collegeís Anthony Castonzo in a drill during yesterdayís Pro Day. </font></div></div>



I think Ant Castanzo is the fave right now, amongst almost every mock site for us to select , so this is no surprise.. I mean, were gonna have a great choice amongst Olineman when we pick at 19, and thats where i also believe we will go, unless someone like Ingram drops, or we make a surprise pick, like Mikel Leshoure, but alot of sites got us taking him in RD 2, i don't see leshoure being there, then... Ayers is still a darkhorse canadite for me, for us to pick...
</p>


I think Tyron Smith is there first choice but Im guessing he wont be on the board. I suspect there realistic board looks like this </p>


1.Tyron Smith</p>


2.Anthony Castanzo</p>


3.Mike Pouncey</p>


4.Corey Liguet</p>


</p>

I could see that. However, I don't think Castonzo is any kind of upgrade over Beatty... and he proved in college that he can't play (he got moved from RT to LT because of a lack of power). That was also the knock on Beatty coming out (lack of power/bulk).

On another note: What do you guys think of Greg Little, WR from NC? I hadn't thought much about him till Mayock started talking him up last night. If he's there in the 4th, I don't see Reese not pulling the trigger. Big, fast WR with hands like glue, return ability, and ridiculous value? Sounds like classic JR. With SS12's health in question, and Nick's injury history, I could see it, even with Barden, Cruz, and Thomas waiting in the wings.

Edit: The more I read up about him, I want this kid...
Sideline Scouting (http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/wr/greg-little.shtml)
CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1242997)
National Football Post (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&amp;player=68367)
he's good but not for us. we have way too many wr's as it is. only way i see us taking one is if we cut someone(dont think we can with the cba? idk) or he is a dynamic kr/pr.

titwio
03-25-2011, 10:29 PM
Hey Redeye....

Do you have video of Colorado vs. Georgia and the AJ Green vs Jimmy Smith highlights....

I think Smith stayed on one side of the field that game but had some match ups against Green I wanted to see....

If not then no worries...

Redeyejedi
03-26-2011, 01:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FecQuCUdT78</P>


Derrick Locke vs Pitt</P>

BlueSanta
03-26-2011, 01:53 AM
Hey Redeye....

Do you have video of Colorado vs. Georgia and the AJ Green vs Jimmy Smith highlights....

I think Smith stayed on one side of the field that game but had some match ups against Green I wanted to see....

If not then no worries...

Green torched Smith more than once. He had a great game.

Redeyejedi
03-26-2011, 02:20 AM
Hey Redeye.... Do you have video of Colorado vs. Georgia and the AJ Green vs Jimmy Smith highlights.... I think Smith stayed on one side of the field that game but had some match ups against Green I wanted to see.... If not then no worries...

Green torched Smith more than once. He had a great game.
That was Jalil Brown that he torched

Redeyejedi
03-26-2011, 02:21 AM
Hey Redeye.... Do you have video of Colorado vs. Georgia and the AJ Green vs Jimmy Smith highlights.... I think Smith stayed on one side of the field that game but had some match ups against Green I wanted to see.... If not then no worries...I wish but most of the damage Green did was against Jalil Brown.I willask some of the guys that make vids if they have it.I know for a fact that he was covering him on both long plays the 50 yarder and 40 yarder and scored both toudowns while Brown was in man on him. Green went for 2 TD's and 117 so there isnt much left after those plays

nycsportzfan
03-26-2011, 08:31 AM
Hey Sportzfan U think Johnny Patrick could gain 10 pounds and play safety. He plays the run well and plays better in off man and zone then press coverage. He has ball skills andis agood blitzer as well. It seems like he has good skills playing the QB.He is more of aslot guy to me but he looks like player. I liked his performance in the bowl game and I thought the TD he got beat on there could of been a push off by the receiver. Ya, he could, but hes a CB in my eyes, and a darn good one... I would hate to mess with a good thing... I would like to have a physical CB, that can play the run, as well as stick with a WR on a deep ball, like Glue, and come off the corner on occasion, with a corner blitz...

Redeyejedi
03-26-2011, 10:26 AM
Hey Sportzfan U think Johnny Patrick could gain 10 pounds and play safety. He plays the run well and plays better in off man and zone then press coverage. He has ball skills andis agood blitzer as well. It seems like he has good skills playing the QB.He is more of aslot guy to me but he looks like player. I liked his performance in the bowl game and I thought the TD he got beat on there could of been a push off by the receiver. Ya, he could, but hes a CB in my eyes, and a darn good one... I would hate to mess with a good thing... I would like to have a physical CB, that can play the run, as well as stick with a WR on a deep ball, like Glue, and come off the corner on occasion, with a corner blitz...
</P>


He is very good in zone and off man. Thats why I was thinking maybe some safety because he seems to play better with things in front of him.I think a zone heavy team is going to draft him before the end of the second round for sure. I like his tape its the first time I looked heavy at him. I like House better for the Giants though</P>

nycsportzfan
03-26-2011, 11:02 AM
Hey Sportzfan U think Johnny Patrick could gain 10 pounds and play safety. He plays the run well and plays better in off man and zone then press coverage. He has ball skills andis agood blitzer as well. It seems like he has good skills playing the QB.He is more of aslot guy to me but he looks like player. I liked his performance in the bowl game and I thought the TD he got beat on there could of been a push off by the receiver. Ya, he could, but hes a CB in my eyes, and a darn good one... I would hate to mess with a good thing... I would like to have a physical CB, that can play the run, as well as stick with a WR on a deep ball, like Glue, and come off the corner on occasion, with a corner blitz...
</p>


He is very good in zone and off man. Thats why I was thinking maybe some safety because he seems to play better with things in front of him.I think a zone heavy team is going to draft him before the end of the second round for sure. I like his tape its the first time I looked heavy at him. I like House better for the Giants though</p> he definetly excels in off coverege, and House does make more sense, if u go by what hes been doing at Louisville, all though, i still think, he could be a solid cover corner, against slot recivers... But, House is the better prospect, for us, probably.. I would be happy with either, but House as i said before, gets my nod...

Redeyejedi
03-26-2011, 12:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07oI619yg3E</P>


Randall Cobb vs Pitt</P>

Redeyejedi
03-26-2011, 03:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcRYtFLT_0Y</P>


Dion Lewis vs Kentucky </P>

lawl
03-26-2011, 04:30 PM
How many other people see the possibility of not taking a LBer in the 1st 3 rounds a real possibility?</P>


Something along the lines of Tyron smith in first, Davon House in second, and Demarco Murray in 3rd.</P>


</P>

lawl
03-26-2011, 04:55 PM
Now to go the other way on this.</P>


How many 3 down linebackers are there in the first 3 rounds? and who are they</P>

Redeyejedi
03-26-2011, 05:27 PM
Trent Richardson vs Penn State</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_x0COyWKuU</P>

nycsportzfan
03-27-2011, 07:56 AM
My COMP PICK Mock Draft, as of March 27th 2011 6:15AM...
(no trades involved, all though, id love to trade)


1. Akeem Ayers SLB U.C.L.A- i love his game speed, and versatility.. Can do alittle bit of everything for us, and has the potential, to be a all around player for us, and makes big plays... Worth the gamble, in my eyes..

2. Davon House CB N.Mex St- very good speed, and length.. Phyiscal player, who has good ball skills... Good MAN COVER guy... One of my Fave CB's in the draft, has 1st rd talent....

3..Jake Kirkpatrick C T.C.U- great intangables...Good push in the run game, and has leadership qualities, which are important for your QB of the O-LIne... Loved this guy for along time, and i think hes got solid 10yr vet type potential, written all over him.. Comes from Winning team...

4. Ross Homan WLB Ohio St.- Real Tackle Machine, that like Ayers, makes plays.. Great sideline to sideline player... Looks the part of a possible Special Teams Ace, with non stop motor.... Coming off 4int, 1sack, 2FF, 6.5Tackle Per Game season for winning program at Ohio St.. Has had very good offseason workouts, and also adds very good instincts to his game..

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- has elite size, for a TE, and will really help our run game... Is essentially a 6th offensive lineman out there, who also is a big target, with solid hands, who could develop into a nice redzone target... One of my Fave TE's, for our team.. Seems to fit what we like in our TE's... Coming off 38rec 358yrd 3td season for the Thundering Herd...

6. Charles Clay FB/TE/RB/WR Tulsa- A, Litteraly, do everything player on offense, who can run some WR routes, tote the rock, or help as a blocker... Extremely versatile player, which i try to add to our Draft, as the more u do, the better... Was a 1000yrd reciver in 07, and also a 6.6 YPC RB in 2010 (albeit on 34carries, but also avg'd 5.3 and 5.8 his first 2seasons at Tulsa, has very good size... Could really make some big plays for a club, as FB outta the backfield, or by just lining up at many diffrent spots, and finding mismatches througout a game... Intriguing player...

7. Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- Snot knocking Safety, whos litteraly, everywhere during games, finishing 2nd among DB's in Total Tackles this past season in the country, while being the leader of his teams defense... Another nice late RD UB prospect... Also, has ST's Ace type potential...

Obviously, i could do about 5other mocks right now, but this ones, ffor today... I wanted to add blocking to our offense, and get a future C in there, and i did that with Kirkpatrick, Lee Smith and Charles Clay.. Also, i wanted to Get some players that could be possible occasional weapons on offense, and not just one dimensional blockers, and again, Clay and Smith fill that bill.. I wanted to upgrade the LB positon, with Playmakers, and guys who can do it against the pass, and run, and i feel Homan can be that "everywhere" LB we crave, and Ayers, can do many diffrent things for Fewell, including get to the passer, or pick the ball off while covering a zone.... I also, wanted to add some what seems like very good ST's players, and Homan, and Shannon help out there, and shannon could be steal in RD 7, and really fills the hole on Run downs, while having a decent nose for the ball.. Davon House has num 1 CB potential, and adds needed speed to our corps, with added ball skills...

I feel this draft really helps our blocking on offense, and playmaking ability on defense, while getting some guys who could surprise on the offensive end, while teams pay extra attention to our big 3 WR's...

nycsportzfan
03-27-2011, 07:59 AM
My COMP PICK Mock Draft, as of March 27th 2011 6:15AM...
(no trades involved, all though, id love to trade)


1. Akeem Ayers SLB U.C.L.A- i love his game speed, and versatility.. Can do alittle bit of everything for us, and has the potential, to be a all around player for us, and makes big plays... Worth the gamble, in my eyes..

2. Davon House CB N.Mex St- very good speed, and length.. Phyiscal player, who has good ball skills... Good MAN COVER guy... One of my Fave CB's in the draft, has 1st rd talent....

3..Jake Kirkpatrick C T.C.U- great intangables...Good push in the run game, and has leadership qualities, which are important for your QB of the O-LIne... Loved this guy for along time, and i think hes got solid 10yr vet type potential, written all over him.. Comes from Winning team...

4. Ross Homan WLB Ohio St.- Real Tackle Machine, that like Ayers, makes plays.. Great sideline to sideline player... Looks the part of a possible Special Teams Ace, with non stop motor.... Coming off 4int, 1sack, 2FF, 6.5Tackle Per Game season for winning program at Ohio St.. Has had very good offseason workouts, and also adds very good instincts to his game..

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- has elite size, for a TE, and will really help our run game... Is essentially a 6th offensive lineman out there, who also is a big target, with solid hands, who could develop into a nice redzone target... One of my Fave TE's, for our team.. Seems to fit what we like in our TE's... Coming off 38rec 358yrd 3td season for the Thundering Herd...

6. Charles Clay FB/TE/RB/WR Tulsa- A, Litteraly, do everything player on offense, who can run some WR routes, tote the rock, or help as a blocker... Extremely versatile player, which i try to add to our Draft, as the more u do, the better... Was a 1000yrd reciver in 07, and also a 6.6 YPC RB in 2010 (albeit on 34carries, but also avg'd 5.3 and 5.8 his first 2seasons at Tulsa, has very good size... Could really make some big plays for a club, as FB outta the backfield, or by just lining up at many diffrent spots, and finding mismatches througout a game... Intriguing player...

7. Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- Snot knocking Safety, whos litteraly, everywhere during games, finishing 2nd among DB's in Total Tackles this past season in the country, while being the leader of his teams defense... Another nice late RD UB prospect... Also, has ST's Ace type potential...

Obviously, i could do about 5other mocks right now, but this ones, ffor today... I wanted to add blocking to our offense, and get a future C in there, and i did that with Kirkpatrick, Lee Smith and Charles Clay.. Also, i wanted to Get some players that could be possible occasional weapons on offense, and not just one dimensional blockers, and again, Clay and Smith fill that bill.. I wanted to upgrade the LB positon, with Playmakers, and guys who can do it against the pass, and run, and i feel Homan can be that "everywhere" LB we crave, and Ayers, can do many diffrent things for Fewell, including get to the passer, or pick the ball off while covering a zone.... I also, wanted to add some what seems like very good ST's players, and Homan, and Shannon help out there, and shannon could be steal in RD 7, and really fills the hole on Run downs, while having a decent nose for the ball.. Davon House has num 1 CB potential, and adds needed speed to our corps, with added ball skills...

I feel this draft really helps our blocking on offense, and playmaking ability on defense, while getting some guys who could surprise on the offensive end, while teams pay extra attention to our big 3 WR's...
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Redeyejedi
03-27-2011, 08:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZevbOGZVw</P>


</P>


Julio Jones vs Auburn</P>

Redeyejedi
03-27-2011, 02:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIZ9Sy9hTw4</P>


</P>


Cam Newton vs Alabama</P>

BlueSanta
03-27-2011, 04:23 PM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.

titwio
03-27-2011, 07:36 PM
Trent Richardson vs Penn State</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_x0COyWKuU</P>

I'm a huge Richardson fan...

Can't wait to see him get the majority of the carries next season...

Redeyejedi
03-27-2011, 08:20 PM
Trent Richardson vs Penn State</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_x0COyWKuU</P>


I'm a huge Richardson fan... Can't wait to see him get the majority of the carries next season...</P>


He will get the bulkbut Alabama has some guys on that roster at RB that are very good behind him. redshirt sophmore Eddie Lacy and Number 1 rivals all purpose back recruit Dee Hart.</P>

Redeyejedi
03-27-2011, 08:21 PM
Jonathan Baldwin vs Notre Dame</P>


</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NonhyHSah-Y</P>


</P>

Redeyejedi
03-28-2011, 01:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6DGTN-_qxU</P>


Courtney Upshaw vs Auburn</P>

nycsportzfan
03-28-2011, 02:03 PM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








THanks santa.. I think Homan showed enough at the combine, as he blew it up, to make beleive see, he does not only get by on hustle, but also with great athletic ability, and speed... I think he had the best 10yrd split of any LB there as well.. U combine those numbers with solid instincts and a non stop motor, and u could get a surprise in this yrs draft... We need a ultra active WLB, and i think Homan is that guy.. With added Coaching, he should be able to really excel, at covering a zone, and making plays in all aspects... I see him being one of those guys, that just comes up with the big play, on a blitz, or Pick, or jarring hit of a wr or te over the middle.. He has a great head on his shoulders, and should be in positon to make plays often...

Raptor22
03-28-2011, 02:35 PM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








THanks santa.. I think Homan showed enough at the combine, as he blew it up, to make beleive see, he does not only get by on hustle, but also with great athletic ability, and speed... I think he had the best 10yrd split of any LB there as well.. U combine those numbers with solid instincts and a non stop motor, and u could get a surprise in this yrs draft... We need a ultra active WLB, and i think Homan is that guy.. With added Coaching, he should be able to really excel, at covering a zone, and making plays in all aspects... I see him being one of those guys, that just comes up with the big play, on a blitz, or Pick, or jarring hit of a wr or te over the middle.. He has a great head on his shoulders, and should be in positon to make plays often...


I think Homan and McCarthy are both gonna be draft day risers. Not huge names, but they might surprise some folks with where they go.

thegreatone
03-28-2011, 02:36 PM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








THanks santa.. I think Homan showed enough at the combine, as he blew it up, to make beleive see, he does not only get by on hustle, but also with great athletic ability, and speed... I think he had the best 10yrd split of any LB there as well.. U combine those numbers with solid instincts and a non stop motor, and u could get a surprise in this yrs draft... We need a ultra active WLB, and i think Homan is that guy.. With added Coaching, he should be able to really excel, at covering a zone, and making plays in all aspects... I see him being one of those guys, that just comes up with the big play, on a blitz, or Pick, or jarring hit of a wr or te over the middle.. He has a great head on his shoulders, and should be in positon to make plays often...


I think Homan and McCarthy are both gonna be draft day risers. Not huge names, but they might surprise some folks with where they go.
i love mccarthy and would be thrilled if we landed him

Redeyejedi
03-28-2011, 06:16 PM
Mark Ingram vs Auburn</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgJ-8jJWCxA</P>

Redeyejedi
03-28-2011, 09:53 PM
Mark Ingram vs LSU</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7CYTw3Yrc</P>

CGYgiant
03-28-2011, 11:18 PM
Mike Mayock on Akeem Ayers:

"when he has his hands off the line he seems lost to me, whether it be the run or the pass Akeem Ayers is not comfortable in when he is off the line. At this point in time he should be considered a 3-4 OLB"

he also talked about how he lacked explosion at the combine, also talked about his lack of strength (18 reps at the combine) and talked about how that was more of a DB number... (CB Jimmy Smith had 25 reps)

it seems as though the scouting process continues Akeem Ayers is proving to be more and more like Clint Sintim, that experiment failed, one can only hope the giants dont make that same mistake twice. Sintim fit Sherdians scheme and still failed. Can someone explain to me why the Giants would even be considering Ayers at 19? other then the fact that hes a LB?

BlueSanta
03-29-2011, 01:35 AM
Its not that I dont like Ayers, I just dont think he is a 1st round prospect for a 43 team.Today could go a long way to help him though. It's the UCLA pro day and we will see how he does. 40 time isnt that important to me as long as its serviceable, I want to see him improve his overal performance and show everyone the athleticism people were expecting to see last month.

nycsportzfan
03-29-2011, 02:31 AM
Mike Mayock on Akeem Ayers:

"when he has his hands off the line he seems lost to me, whether it be the run or the pass Akeem Ayers is not comfortable in when he is off the line. At this point in time he should be considered a 3-4 OLB"

he also talked about how he lacked explosion at the combine, also talked about his lack of strength (18 reps at the combine) and talked about how that was more of a DB number... (CB Jimmy Smith had 25 reps)

it seems as though the scouting process continues Akeem Ayers is proving to be more and more like Clint Sintim, that experiment failed, one can only hope the giants dont make that same mistake twice. Sintim fit Sherdians scheme and still failed. Can someone explain to me why the Giants would even be considering Ayers at 19? other then the fact that hes a LB?
Mike Mayock said right after Ayers ran his 40 at the combine, " i don't care, i look at the tape with Ayers"... Also, he says right here, that hes a fit for either a 3/4 or 4/3 team..
On the prospects from the Southern California schools:

"Akeem Ayers, I've got him, I believe, as my No. 2 outside linebacker
prospect. He's played both with his hand in the dirt and up. He played
linebacker at UCLA. I think he's got first-round ability because of his
natural ability to get to the quarterback. Most of the 3-4 teams are
very interested in him, although I think he can play in a 4-3 scheme. So
if you're scheme diverse, that's a good thing.

Secondly, Rahim Moore, the free safety at UCLA, in a bad, bad safety
year, he's the best safety out there. Whether or not that gets him in
the first round, I don't know. ... He reminded me on tape a little bit
of Earl Tomas. Not quite as good, but he's got great range. I think
he'll fit somewhere late one to mid two."

Ayers got a bad wrap simply because of the combine.. If u look at the overall performance of the kid, on the field, its a whole diffrent ball game.. His versatility is insane, as he lined up inside, outisde, and with hand in the dirt, and rushing off the edge, standing up.. He makes a ton of big plays, and that includes in coverege, where hes at least, held his own.. He looked good in the Drills at the combine,, and everyones in agreement there, if u go by the many many mock sites that actually talk about the drills, which they should....

Again, i like Ayers, but don't take this the wrong way, as there is other players i like for the 1ts rd as well, but i get sick of hering about his combine, as he shows on film, he can do many things and plays just as Quick as say, Martez Wilson, on tape, because he knows what hes doing on a football field, as opposed to some fo these guys, who sure, might run fast, but look clueless on the field...

nycsportzfan
03-29-2011, 04:54 AM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








As bored as i am... I was wondering santa, if i changed my 1st rder, to a O-lineman, which would essentially, change my whole mock, do u like it????????


1. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin- obviously, the pop pick is castanzo, but i'm slowley starting to think someone gets him before we pick and both ty.smith and ant castanzo are off the board.. I was impressed with carimi this past season, and hes a run mauling machine, with great charechter and confidence...I think he kinda gets a bum wrap, as people say, hes not athletic enough for LT, but i dont agree, and think hes just athletic enough, to handle most DE's, and his pure strength and strong hands and punch are uncanny... I liked Bulaga alot last yr, and i have carimi just above him.. He tested well at the combine, and with a stellar winning career to boot, whats not to like? Again, i don't think he's a athletic freak, but more athletic then some give credit for... Bradshaw will love running to his side, that is for sure.. Also, if i'm wrong about the LT thing, he can be our future stud at RT, with Beatty hopefully being the other half of our bookends...

2. Mason Foster LB Wash- a very involved LB, who really gets after it, has sideline to sideline capability, and solid instincts... Has the size, to hold up on the NFL level, and should be a 3down LB, and extremely good against the run.... I love this kid...

3. Deandre McDaniel SS Clem- a value pick here.. No more worrying about Chad Jones recovery, and we get a steal here, who last yr was a shoe in for RD1-2 consideration.. Hes got size, and more then enough speed, and could really hold his own in that Deon Grant Hybrid role, in my opinion.. Alot of upside here, as McDaniel could end up as a pro bowl S, when said and done.. Reminds me alot of Kenny Phillips coming out, for his phyiscal nature, but probably has a edge in Ball Skills... Also, a force in run support.. Good form while tackling, and should be a all around safety, exceling in both pass and run support..

4. John Moffitt G/C Wisconsin- a guy i freaking love, and had em mocked in RD 2, before a avg to bad combine.. It will certainly drop em(shoulden't), and i hope we pounce... with carimi and moffitt, we can really pound the rock, and Moffitt could develop into a C as well, as hes got some exp there.. Reese loves versatile players, and Moffitt has played all 3spots on the interior. Gives above avg Effort, on every play, and has a NY Giant phyisicallity to his play... A stronger version of Rich Seubert, in my opinion...

6. Cortez Allen CB Citadel- A sleeper i like, with good size and speed, Allen had a somewhat down season, or at least, Quiet season, due mostly to teams trying to avoid his side of the field, and kinda got back on Radars with a good combine.. In time, could surprise, and become a solid Corner, with added ball skills.... Excels in Man Coverege, and has some versatiilty, as he was moved around the secondary, mostly due to teams trying to elimate him from plays...

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- See last mock

6. Evan Royster RB Penn St- a tough between the tackles runner, who can catch outta the backfield, very well.. Theres some upside here, and he could turn into a stud in the right situation.. Good blocker as well.. Might not be the speediest of backs, but can gain the hard short yards, with a rugged style of running, and also be a weapon in the pass catching game...

7. Dane Sazenbacher wr/kr Ohio St.- a blue collared player, who u take a chance on in these type rds, as u may just find a Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead type.. Always goes at 100pct, displays good hands, and if things work out, could become a big help, as a 3rd or 4th WR, in the slot, and on occasion, gets deep, and helps in return game... Gives it all, as a blocker as well..

A bunch of blue collared players here, and the Run game is helped immensly, and theres some upside toward teh back end with guys like Royster and Sazenbacher... The oline is solitfyed with the Corn bread wisconsin boys(moffitt and carimi), and added blocking with Lee Smith, making Bradshaw and Jacobs very happy men...lol U get gigantic rd 3 value in Mcdaniel, as hes got RD 1/2 type potential, and u got a guy in Cotrez Allen, who when said and done, could possibly be a starter....

heavyhitter
03-29-2011, 08:05 AM
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03-29-2011, 08:08 AM
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03-29-2011, 08:20 AM
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03-29-2011, 08:21 AM
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heavyhitter
03-29-2011, 08:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYZevbOGZVw</p>


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Julio Jones vs Auburn</p>http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/33w0ayu.gif

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heavyhitter
03-29-2011, 08:36 AM
Trent Richardson vs Penn State</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_x0COyWKuU</p>


I'm a huge Richardson fan... Can't wait to see him get the majority of the carries next season...</p>


He will get the bulkbut Alabama has some guys on that roster at RB that are very good behind him. redshirt sophmore Eddie Lacy and Number 1 rivals all purpose back recruit Dee Hart.</p><font size="3">I expect a big year out of Richardson. Bold statement but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in NY this year walking away w/ either the Doak or Heisman award</font>.

heavyhitter
03-29-2011, 08:40 AM
Jonathan Baldwin vs Notre Dame</p>


</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NonhyHSah-Y</p>


</p>Baldwin should excel in the NFL. This might have been his best game last year w/ the exception of the Rutgers game.

Redeyejedi
03-29-2011, 09:09 AM
Jonathan Baldwin vs Notre Dame</P>


</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NonhyHSah-Y</P>


</P>


Baldwin should excel in the NFL. This might have been his best game last year w/ the exception of the Rutgers game.
</P>


Yeah I like Baldwin. He knows how to use his size for an advantage. He has the potential to be a dominate blocker on the outside. He really stuck it to Brandon Burton in the run game against Utah.</P>

heavyhitter
03-29-2011, 09:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6DGTN-_qxU</p>


Courtney Upshaw vs Auburn</p><font size="3">Bama has a very solid group at the LB position (maybe the best in the nation). Upshaw is a stud and he could/should go in the top 15 if he stays healthy. </font>

Redeyejedi
03-29-2011, 09:12 AM
Trent Richardson vs Penn State</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_x0COyWKuU</P>


I'm a huge Richardson fan... Can't wait to see him get the majority of the carries next season...</P>


He will get the bulkbut Alabama has some guys on that roster at RB that are very good behind him. redshirt sophmore Eddie Lacy and Number 1 rivals all purpose back recruit Dee Hart.</P><FONT size=3>I expect a big year out of Richardson. Bold statement but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in NY this year walking away w/ either the Doak or Heisman award</FONT>.
We shall see. He has that ability I just wonder if he will get enough touches. Lamichael James will ,Kniles Davis will, Marcus Lattimore will. I cant see how if Luck has another good year if he doesnt get it.

Neverend
03-29-2011, 09:12 AM
I think the Giants might be looking at positions we're not even thinking about. Maybe no tackle or linebacker gets picked in the 1st 3 rounds.

Redeyejedi
03-29-2011, 09:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6DGTN-_qxU</P>


Courtney Upshaw vs Auburn</P>


<FONT size=3>Bama has a very solid group at the LB position (maybe the best in the nation). Upshaw is a stud and he could/should go in the top 15 if he stays healthy. </FONT>
</P>


Yeah Bamas defense is loaded overall this year. Upshaw,Hightower, and the sophomore CJ Mosely who will be the best of them all I believe. Plus up front Murphy and Square. Thesecondary Barron, Kirkpatrick. It takes me forever to go through an Alabama tape. I have to watch each play 3 times to see what everyone of those guys are doing. I have to really be in the mood to work on them because it takes a lot of paying attention.</P>


I have a Hightower tape done that I havent uploaded yet. Donte Paige Moss 2. Im going to get to FSU soon. I kind of want to do a Shayne Skov tape first though. </P>

heavyhitter
03-29-2011, 09:32 AM
Trent Richardson vs Penn State</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_x0COyWKuU</p>


I'm a huge Richardson fan... Can't wait to see him get the majority of the carries next season...</p>


He will get the bulkbut Alabama has some guys on that roster at RB that are very good behind him. redshirt sophmore Eddie Lacy and Number 1 rivals all purpose back recruit Dee Hart.</p><font size="3">I expect a big year out of Richardson. Bold statement but I wouldn't be surprised to see him in NY this year walking away w/ either the Doak or Heisman award</font>.
We shall see. He has that ability I just wonder if he will get enough touches. Lamichael James will ,Kniles Davis will, Marcus Lattimore will. I cant see how if Luck has another good year if he doesnt get it.<font size="3">Luck is probably the frontrunner right now for the Heisman, but Richardson will at least get nominated for the Doak and make the trip to NY. </font>

Redeyejedi
03-29-2011, 09:37 AM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








As bored as i am... I was wondering santa, if i changed my 1st rder, to a O-lineman, which would essentially, change my whole mock, do u like it????????


1. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin- obviously, the pop pick is castanzo, but i'm slowley starting to think someone gets him before we pick and both ty.smith and ant castanzo are off the board.. I was impressed with carimi this past season, and hes a run mauling machine, with great charechter and confidence...I think he kinda gets a bum wrap, as people say, hes not athletic enough for LT, but i dont agree, and think hes just athletic enough, to handle most DE's, and his pure strength and strong hands and punch are uncanny... I liked Bulaga alot last yr, and i have carimi just above him.. He tested well at the combine, and with a stellar winning career to boot, whats not to like? Again, i don't think he's a athletic freak, but more athletic then some give credit for... Bradshaw will love running to his side, that is for sure.. Also, if i'm wrong about the LT thing, he can be our future stud at RT, with Beatty hopefully being the other half of our bookends...

2. Mason Foster LB Wash- a very involved LB, who really gets after it, has sideline to sideline capability, and solid instincts... Has the size, to hold up on the NFL level, and should be a 3down LB, and extremely good against the run.... I love this kid...

3. Deandre McDaniel SS Clem- a value pick here.. No more worrying about Chad Jones recovery, and we get a steal here, who last yr was a shoe in for RD1-2 consideration.. Hes got size, and more then enough speed, and could really hold his own in that Deon Grant Hybrid role, in my opinion.. Alot of upside here, as McDaniel could end up as a pro bowl S, when said and done.. Reminds me alot of Kenny Phillips coming out, for his phyiscal nature, but probably has a edge in Ball Skills... Also, a force in run support.. Good form while tackling, and should be a all around safety, exceling in both pass and run support..

4. John Moffitt G/C Wisconsin- a guy i freaking love, and had em mocked in RD 2, before a avg to bad combine.. It will certainly drop em(shoulden't), and i hope we pounce... with carimi and moffitt, we can really pound the rock, and Moffitt could develop into a C as well, as hes got some exp there.. Reese loves versatile players, and Moffitt has played all 3spots on the interior. Gives above avg Effort, on every play, and has a NY Giant phyisicallity to his play... A stronger version of Rich Seubert, in my opinion...

6. Cortez Allen CB Citadel- A sleeper i like, with good size and speed, Allen had a somewhat down season, or at least, Quiet season, due mostly to teams trying to avoid his side of the field, and kinda got back on Radars with a good combine.. In time, could surprise, and become a solid Corner, with added ball skills.... Excels in Man Coverege, and has some versatiilty, as he was moved around the secondary, mostly due to teams trying to elimate him from plays...

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- See last mock

6. Evan Royster RB Penn St- a tough between the tackles runner, who can catch outta the backfield, very well.. Theres some upside here, and he could turn into a stud in the right situation.. Good blocker as well.. Might not be the speediest of backs, but can gain the hard short yards, with a rugged style of running, and also be a weapon in the pass catching game...

7. Dane Sazenbacher wr/kr Ohio St.- a blue collared player, who u take a chance on in these type rds, as u may just find a Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead type.. Always goes at 100pct, displays good hands, and if things work out, could become a big help, as a 3rd or 4th WR, in the slot, and on occasion, gets deep, and helps in return game... Gives it all, as a blocker as well..

A bunch of blue collared players here, and the Run game is helped immensly, and theres some upside toward teh back end with guys like Royster and Sazenbacher... The oline is solitfyed with the Corn bread wisconsin boys(moffitt and carimi), and added blocking with Lee Smith, making Bradshaw and Jacobs very happy men...lol U get gigantic rd 3 value in Mcdaniel, as hes got RD 1/2 type potential, and u got a guy in Cotrez Allen, who when said and done, could possibly be a starter....
Good value and good players. I like Moffit it seems like the combine that he took some hits.On tape he gets to the second level with ease. I think Moffit will be a starter in the NFL and I guy I would groom to play center.

heavyhitter
03-29-2011, 09:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6DGTN-_qxU</p>


Courtney Upshaw vs Auburn</p>


<font size="3">Bama has a very solid group at the LB position (maybe the best in the nation). Upshaw is a stud and he could/should go in the top 15 if he stays healthy. </font>
</p>


Yeah Bamas defense is loaded overall this year. Upshaw,Hightower, and the sophomore CJ Mosely who will be the best of them all I believe. Plus up front Murphy and Square. Thesecondary Barron, Kirkpatrick. It takes me forever to go through an Alabama tape. I have to watch each play 3 times to see what everyone of those guys are doing. I have to really be in the mood to work on them because it takes a lot of paying attention.</p>


I have a Hightower tape done that I havent uploaded yet. Donte Paige Moss 2. Im going to get to FSU soon. I kind of want to do a Shayne Skov tape first though. </p><font size="3">Yeah, that Alabama team is gonna be hard to beat this year. They are stacked on both sides of the ball w/ elite talent and most importantly have solid depth behind their starters. I'm looking forward to see them play the Gators in "The Swamp" on October 1st. Not that I think Florida will win that game, but it will be exciting and plenty of "elite talent" to watch on both sides of the ball.</font>

NCGiant23
03-29-2011, 10:13 AM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








As bored as i am... I was wondering santa, if i changed my 1st rder, to a O-lineman, which would essentially, change my whole mock, do u like it????????


1. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin- obviously, the pop pick is castanzo, but i'm slowley starting to think someone gets him before we pick and both ty.smith and ant castanzo are off the board.. I was impressed with carimi this past season, and hes a run mauling machine, with great charechter and confidence...I think he kinda gets a bum wrap, as people say, hes not athletic enough for LT, but i dont agree, and think hes just athletic enough, to handle most DE's, and his pure strength and strong hands and punch are uncanny... I liked Bulaga alot last yr, and i have carimi just above him.. He tested well at the combine, and with a stellar winning career to boot, whats not to like? Again, i don't think he's a athletic freak, but more athletic then some give credit for... Bradshaw will love running to his side, that is for sure.. Also, if i'm wrong about the LT thing, he can be our future stud at RT, with Beatty hopefully being the other half of our bookends...

2. Mason Foster LB Wash- a very involved LB, who really gets after it, has sideline to sideline capability, and solid instincts... Has the size, to hold up on the NFL level, and should be a 3down LB, and extremely good against the run.... I love this kid...

3. Deandre McDaniel SS Clem- a value pick here.. No more worrying about Chad Jones recovery, and we get a steal here, who last yr was a shoe in for RD1-2 consideration.. Hes got size, and more then enough speed, and could really hold his own in that Deon Grant Hybrid role, in my opinion.. Alot of upside here, as McDaniel could end up as a pro bowl S, when said and done.. Reminds me alot of Kenny Phillips coming out, for his phyiscal nature, but probably has a edge in Ball Skills... Also, a force in run support.. Good form while tackling, and should be a all around safety, exceling in both pass and run support..

4. John Moffitt G/C Wisconsin- a guy i freaking love, and had em mocked in RD 2, before a avg to bad combine.. It will certainly drop em(shoulden't), and i hope we pounce... with carimi and moffitt, we can really pound the rock, and Moffitt could develop into a C as well, as hes got some exp there.. Reese loves versatile players, and Moffitt has played all 3spots on the interior. Gives above avg Effort, on every play, and has a NY Giant phyisicallity to his play... A stronger version of Rich Seubert, in my opinion...

6. Cortez Allen CB Citadel- A sleeper i like, with good size and speed, Allen had a somewhat down season, or at least, Quiet season, due mostly to teams trying to avoid his side of the field, and kinda got back on Radars with a good combine.. In time, could surprise, and become a solid Corner, with added ball skills.... Excels in Man Coverege, and has some versatiilty, as he was moved around the secondary, mostly due to teams trying to elimate him from plays...

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- See last mock

6. Evan Royster RB Penn St- a tough between the tackles runner, who can catch outta the backfield, very well.. Theres some upside here, and he could turn into a stud in the right situation.. Good blocker as well.. Might not be the speediest of backs, but can gain the hard short yards, with a rugged style of running, and also be a weapon in the pass catching game...

7. Dane Sazenbacher wr/kr Ohio St.- a blue collared player, who u take a chance on in these type rds, as u may just find a Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead type.. Always goes at 100pct, displays good hands, and if things work out, could become a big help, as a 3rd or 4th WR, in the slot, and on occasion, gets deep, and helps in return game... Gives it all, as a blocker as well..

A bunch of blue collared players here, and the Run game is helped immensly, and theres some upside toward teh back end with guys like Royster and Sazenbacher... The oline is solitfyed with the Corn bread wisconsin boys(moffitt and carimi), and added blocking with Lee Smith, making Bradshaw and Jacobs very happy men...lol U get gigantic rd 3 value in Mcdaniel, as hes got RD 1/2 type potential, and u got a guy in Cotrez Allen, who when said and done, could possibly be a starter....
Good value and good players. I like Moffit it seems like the combine that he took some hits.On tape he gets to the second level with ease. I think Moffit will be a starter in the NFL and I guy I would groom to play center.

A Clemson grad here. I'm not quite sure how I feel about Deandre McDaniel in the 3rd. He had a phenomenal breakout year his JR year. Last year he simply wasn't the same player. Missed lots of assignments and was beat deep multiple times. He also lost some of the viciousness he had his JR year. This is the same guy who in his JR picked off Christian Ponder, returned it only to see Ponder right in his sights, smiled, then laid him out and separated his shoulder effectively ending Ponder's season.

I'm not sure what happened to him in his SR yr. Some have suggested that he took it easy b/c he didn't want to risk injury, but I'm not sure I buy that. He often times found himself out of position and simply didn't come close to having the on field impact of his JR year. I view him as a boom or bust type player. He showed he has the skills, but can he find them again and further develop them once in the league?

Redeye, I'd be curious to hear your take on him?

CGYgiant
03-29-2011, 11:56 AM
Mike Mayock on Akeem Ayers:

"when he has his hands off the line he seems lost to me, whether it be the run or the pass Akeem Ayers is not comfortable in when he is off the line. At this point in time he should be considered a 3-4 OLB"

he also talked about how he lacked explosion at the combine, also talked about his lack of strength (18 reps at the combine) and talked about how that was more of a DB number... (CB Jimmy Smith had 25 reps)

it seems as though the scouting process continues Akeem Ayers is proving to be more and more like Clint Sintim, that experiment failed, one can only hope the giants dont make that same mistake twice. Sintim fit Sherdians scheme and still failed. Can someone explain to me why the Giants would even be considering Ayers at 19? other then the fact that hes a LB?
Mike Mayock said right after Ayers ran his 40 at the combine, " i don't care, i look at the tape with Ayers"... Also, he says right here, that hes a fit for either a 3/4 or 4/3 team..
On the prospects from the Southern California schools:

"Akeem Ayers, I've got him, I believe, as my No. 2 outside linebacker
prospect. He's played both with his hand in the dirt and up. He played
linebacker at UCLA. I think he's got first-round ability because of his
natural ability to get to the quarterback. Most of the 3-4 teams are
very interested in him, although I think he can play in a 4-3 scheme. So
if you're scheme diverse, that's a good thing.

Secondly, Rahim Moore, the free safety at UCLA, in a bad, bad safety
year, he's the best safety out there. Whether or not that gets him in
the first round, I don't know. ... He reminded me on tape a little bit
of Earl Tomas. Not quite as good, but he's got great range. I think
he'll fit somewhere late one to mid two."

Ayers got a bad wrap simply because of the combine.. If u look at the overall performance of the kid, on the field, its a whole diffrent ball game.. His versatility is insane, as he lined up inside, outisde, and with hand in the dirt, and rushing off the edge, standing up.. He makes a ton of big plays, and that includes in coverege, where hes at least, held his own.. He looked good in the Drills at the combine,, and everyones in agreement there, if u go by the many many mock sites that actually talk about the drills, which they should....

Again, i like Ayers, but don't take this the wrong way, as there is other players i like for the 1ts rd as well, but i get sick of hering about his combine, as he shows on film, he can do many things and plays just as Quick as say, Martez Wilson, on tape, because he knows what hes doing on a football field, as opposed to some fo these guys, who sure, might run fast, but look clueless on the field...


Just because Ayers could pay the 4-3, does not mean he will be as effective as he would be in a 3-4. Dont get me wrong, I think Ayers is going to be fantastic in a 3-4, that's the only reason why he has a first round grade in my opinion.

If you watched Ayers this year (im sure you did) he was far more effective at the beginning in the season then he was at the end. The reason? he was used differently. At the beginning he almost always lined up with his hand in the dirty whereas UCLA decided to play him standing up later in the year and he wasn't nearly as good as before.

I think Ayers will be adequate in a 4-3 but not a first rounder, imo linebackers in the first round is never a good value.. but I know id be a minority thinking that on these boards.

and btw i dont like Martez Wilson either..

lawl
03-29-2011, 12:39 PM
I think the Giants might be looking at positions we're not even thinking about. Maybe no tackle or linebacker gets picked in the 1st 3 rounds.
I definitely see that as a possibility. Maybe something like liuget in the first davon house in the 2nd demarco murray in the 3rd. Some combo of cb dt and RB/TE/S is a very real possibility if u ask me and I wouldnt mind it

Redeyejedi
03-29-2011, 06:53 PM
<FONT color=#0033cc>Lamichael James vs Stanford "2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eUGRRAQ_k)</P>


</P>

Redeyejedi
03-29-2011, 08:35 PM
Donta Hightower vs Auburn</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyeXZTTcz8E</P>

BlueSanta
03-29-2011, 09:14 PM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








As bored as i am... I was wondering santa, if i changed my 1st rder, to a O-lineman, which would essentially, change my whole mock, do u like it????????


1. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin- obviously, the pop pick is castanzo, but i'm slowley starting to think someone gets him before we pick and both ty.smith and ant castanzo are off the board.. I was impressed with carimi this past season, and hes a run mauling machine, with great charechter and confidence...I think he kinda gets a bum wrap, as people say, hes not athletic enough for LT, but i dont agree, and think hes just athletic enough, to handle most DE's, and his pure strength and strong hands and punch are uncanny... I liked Bulaga alot last yr, and i have carimi just above him.. He tested well at the combine, and with a stellar winning career to boot, whats not to like? Again, i don't think he's a athletic freak, but more athletic then some give credit for... Bradshaw will love running to his side, that is for sure.. Also, if i'm wrong about the LT thing, he can be our future stud at RT, with Beatty hopefully being the other half of our bookends...

2. Mason Foster LB Wash- a very involved LB, who really gets after it, has sideline to sideline capability, and solid instincts... Has the size, to hold up on the NFL level, and should be a 3down LB, and extremely good against the run.... I love this kid...

3. Deandre McDaniel SS Clem- a value pick here.. No more worrying about Chad Jones recovery, and we get a steal here, who last yr was a shoe in for RD1-2 consideration.. Hes got size, and more then enough speed, and could really hold his own in that Deon Grant Hybrid role, in my opinion.. Alot of upside here, as McDaniel could end up as a pro bowl S, when said and done.. Reminds me alot of Kenny Phillips coming out, for his phyiscal nature, but probably has a edge in Ball Skills... Also, a force in run support.. Good form while tackling, and should be a all around safety, exceling in both pass and run support..

4. John Moffitt G/C Wisconsin- a guy i freaking love, and had em mocked in RD 2, before a avg to bad combine.. It will certainly drop em(shoulden't), and i hope we pounce... with carimi and moffitt, we can really pound the rock, and Moffitt could develop into a C as well, as hes got some exp there.. Reese loves versatile players, and Moffitt has played all 3spots on the interior. Gives above avg Effort, on every play, and has a NY Giant phyisicallity to his play... A stronger version of Rich Seubert, in my opinion...

6. Cortez Allen CB Citadel- A sleeper i like, with good size and speed, Allen had a somewhat down season, or at least, Quiet season, due mostly to teams trying to avoid his side of the field, and kinda got back on Radars with a good combine.. In time, could surprise, and become a solid Corner, with added ball skills.... Excels in Man Coverege, and has some versatiilty, as he was moved around the secondary, mostly due to teams trying to elimate him from plays...

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- See last mock

6. Evan Royster RB Penn St- a tough between the tackles runner, who can catch outta the backfield, very well.. Theres some upside here, and he could turn into a stud in the right situation.. Good blocker as well.. Might not be the speediest of backs, but can gain the hard short yards, with a rugged style of running, and also be a weapon in the pass catching game...

7. Dane Sazenbacher wr/kr Ohio St.- a blue collared player, who u take a chance on in these type rds, as u may just find a Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead type.. Always goes at 100pct, displays good hands, and if things work out, could become a big help, as a 3rd or 4th WR, in the slot, and on occasion, gets deep, and helps in return game... Gives it all, as a blocker as well..

A bunch of blue collared players here, and the Run game is helped immensly, and theres some upside toward teh back end with guys like Royster and Sazenbacher... The oline is solitfyed with the Corn bread wisconsin boys(moffitt and carimi), and added blocking with Lee Smith, making Bradshaw and Jacobs very happy men...lol U get gigantic rd 3 value in Mcdaniel, as hes got RD 1/2 type potential, and u got a guy in Cotrez Allen, who when said and done, could possibly be a starter....


Thats tough, both are good. I think I still like the 1st though.

It comes down to round 3. I like Kirkpatrick a ton and if we havent already address the interior line in the 1st 2 rounds, there is nobody I would want more. As much as I like Moffit, I just dont think we wait that long to find a center/guard.

nycsportzfan
03-30-2011, 03:31 AM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








As bored as i am... I was wondering santa, if i changed my 1st rder, to a O-lineman, which would essentially, change my whole mock, do u like it????????


1. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin- obviously, the pop pick is castanzo, but i'm slowley starting to think someone gets him before we pick and both ty.smith and ant castanzo are off the board.. I was impressed with carimi this past season, and hes a run mauling machine, with great charechter and confidence...I think he kinda gets a bum wrap, as people say, hes not athletic enough for LT, but i dont agree, and think hes just athletic enough, to handle most DE's, and his pure strength and strong hands and punch are uncanny... I liked Bulaga alot last yr, and i have carimi just above him.. He tested well at the combine, and with a stellar winning career to boot, whats not to like? Again, i don't think he's a athletic freak, but more athletic then some give credit for... Bradshaw will love running to his side, that is for sure.. Also, if i'm wrong about the LT thing, he can be our future stud at RT, with Beatty hopefully being the other half of our bookends...

2. Mason Foster LB Wash- a very involved LB, who really gets after it, has sideline to sideline capability, and solid instincts... Has the size, to hold up on the NFL level, and should be a 3down LB, and extremely good against the run.... I love this kid...

3. Deandre McDaniel SS Clem- a value pick here.. No more worrying about Chad Jones recovery, and we get a steal here, who last yr was a shoe in for RD1-2 consideration.. Hes got size, and more then enough speed, and could really hold his own in that Deon Grant Hybrid role, in my opinion.. Alot of upside here, as McDaniel could end up as a pro bowl S, when said and done.. Reminds me alot of Kenny Phillips coming out, for his phyiscal nature, but probably has a edge in Ball Skills... Also, a force in run support.. Good form while tackling, and should be a all around safety, exceling in both pass and run support..

4. John Moffitt G/C Wisconsin- a guy i freaking love, and had em mocked in RD 2, before a avg to bad combine.. It will certainly drop em(shoulden't), and i hope we pounce... with carimi and moffitt, we can really pound the rock, and Moffitt could develop into a C as well, as hes got some exp there.. Reese loves versatile players, and Moffitt has played all 3spots on the interior. Gives above avg Effort, on every play, and has a NY Giant phyisicallity to his play... A stronger version of Rich Seubert, in my opinion...

6. Cortez Allen CB Citadel- A sleeper i like, with good size and speed, Allen had a somewhat down season, or at least, Quiet season, due mostly to teams trying to avoid his side of the field, and kinda got back on Radars with a good combine.. In time, could surprise, and become a solid Corner, with added ball skills.... Excels in Man Coverege, and has some versatiilty, as he was moved around the secondary, mostly due to teams trying to elimate him from plays...

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- See last mock

6. Evan Royster RB Penn St- a tough between the tackles runner, who can catch outta the backfield, very well.. Theres some upside here, and he could turn into a stud in the right situation.. Good blocker as well.. Might not be the speediest of backs, but can gain the hard short yards, with a rugged style of running, and also be a weapon in the pass catching game...

7. Dane Sazenbacher wr/kr Ohio St.- a blue collared player, who u take a chance on in these type rds, as u may just find a Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead type.. Always goes at 100pct, displays good hands, and if things work out, could become a big help, as a 3rd or 4th WR, in the slot, and on occasion, gets deep, and helps in return game... Gives it all, as a blocker as well..

A bunch of blue collared players here, and the Run game is helped immensly, and theres some upside toward teh back end with guys like Royster and Sazenbacher... The oline is solitfyed with the Corn bread wisconsin boys(moffitt and carimi), and added blocking with Lee Smith, making Bradshaw and Jacobs very happy men...lol U get gigantic rd 3 value in Mcdaniel, as hes got RD 1/2 type potential, and u got a guy in Cotrez Allen, who when said and done, could possibly be a starter....
Good value and good players. I like Moffit it seems like the combine that he took some hits.On tape he gets to the second level with ease. I think Moffit will be a starter in the NFL and I guy I would groom to play center.

A Clemson grad here. I'm not quite sure how I feel about Deandre McDaniel in the 3rd. He had a phenomenal breakout year his JR year. Last year he simply wasn't the same player. Missed lots of assignments and was beat deep multiple times. He also lost some of the viciousness he had his JR year. This is the same guy who in his JR picked off Christian Ponder, returned it only to see Ponder right in his sights, smiled, then laid him out and separated his shoulder effectively ending Ponder's season.

I'm not sure what happened to him in his SR yr. Some have suggested that he took it easy b/c he didn't want to risk injury, but I'm not sure I buy that. He often times found himself out of position and simply didn't come close to having the on field impact of his JR year. I view him as a boom or bust type player. He showed he has the skills, but can he find them again and further develop them once in the league?

Redeye, I'd be curious to hear your take on him?
thats why i wrote, a value pick, that last yr, was a rd1/2 type pick... Obviously, he falls here, because of his somewhat down season this past yr... U draft McDaniel, in hoping that u get what u got last yr, and that his down yr was something coachable, or maybe clemson as a whole, had alittle bit more of a down season.... Its a value pick, with some risk, because u can be getting a first rd type talent, or a player who peaked the season before last, and had a flukey type yr.. But judging, from his size and speed, and his sure tackling ability, i'm willing to bet in the right scheme and coaching, hes gonna be a pretty good ball player, in the mold of our very own Kenny Phillips....

nycsportzfan
03-30-2011, 03:40 AM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








As bored as i am... I was wondering santa, if i changed my 1st rder, to a O-lineman, which would essentially, change my whole mock, do u like it????????


1. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin- obviously, the pop pick is castanzo, but i'm slowley starting to think someone gets him before we pick and both ty.smith and ant castanzo are off the board.. I was impressed with carimi this past season, and hes a run mauling machine, with great charechter and confidence...I think he kinda gets a bum wrap, as people say, hes not athletic enough for LT, but i dont agree, and think hes just athletic enough, to handle most DE's, and his pure strength and strong hands and punch are uncanny... I liked Bulaga alot last yr, and i have carimi just above him.. He tested well at the combine, and with a stellar winning career to boot, whats not to like? Again, i don't think he's a athletic freak, but more athletic then some give credit for... Bradshaw will love running to his side, that is for sure.. Also, if i'm wrong about the LT thing, he can be our future stud at RT, with Beatty hopefully being the other half of our bookends...

2. Mason Foster LB Wash- a very involved LB, who really gets after it, has sideline to sideline capability, and solid instincts... Has the size, to hold up on the NFL level, and should be a 3down LB, and extremely good against the run.... I love this kid...

3. Deandre McDaniel SS Clem- a value pick here.. No more worrying about Chad Jones recovery, and we get a steal here, who last yr was a shoe in for RD1-2 consideration.. Hes got size, and more then enough speed, and could really hold his own in that Deon Grant Hybrid role, in my opinion.. Alot of upside here, as McDaniel could end up as a pro bowl S, when said and done.. Reminds me alot of Kenny Phillips coming out, for his phyiscal nature, but probably has a edge in Ball Skills... Also, a force in run support.. Good form while tackling, and should be a all around safety, exceling in both pass and run support..

4. John Moffitt G/C Wisconsin- a guy i freaking love, and had em mocked in RD 2, before a avg to bad combine.. It will certainly drop em(shoulden't), and i hope we pounce... with carimi and moffitt, we can really pound the rock, and Moffitt could develop into a C as well, as hes got some exp there.. Reese loves versatile players, and Moffitt has played all 3spots on the interior. Gives above avg Effort, on every play, and has a NY Giant phyisicallity to his play... A stronger version of Rich Seubert, in my opinion...

6. Cortez Allen CB Citadel- A sleeper i like, with good size and speed, Allen had a somewhat down season, or at least, Quiet season, due mostly to teams trying to avoid his side of the field, and kinda got back on Radars with a good combine.. In time, could surprise, and become a solid Corner, with added ball skills.... Excels in Man Coverege, and has some versatiilty, as he was moved around the secondary, mostly due to teams trying to elimate him from plays...

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- See last mock

6. Evan Royster RB Penn St- a tough between the tackles runner, who can catch outta the backfield, very well.. Theres some upside here, and he could turn into a stud in the right situation.. Good blocker as well.. Might not be the speediest of backs, but can gain the hard short yards, with a rugged style of running, and also be a weapon in the pass catching game...

7. Dane Sazenbacher wr/kr Ohio St.- a blue collared player, who u take a chance on in these type rds, as u may just find a Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead type.. Always goes at 100pct, displays good hands, and if things work out, could become a big help, as a 3rd or 4th WR, in the slot, and on occasion, gets deep, and helps in return game... Gives it all, as a blocker as well..

A bunch of blue collared players here, and the Run game is helped immensly, and theres some upside toward teh back end with guys like Royster and Sazenbacher... The oline is solitfyed with the Corn bread wisconsin boys(moffitt and carimi), and added blocking with Lee Smith, making Bradshaw and Jacobs very happy men...lol U get gigantic rd 3 value in Mcdaniel, as hes got RD 1/2 type potential, and u got a guy in Cotrez Allen, who when said and done, could possibly be a starter....


Thats tough, both are good. I think I still like the 1st though.

It comes down to round 3. I like Kirkpatrick a ton and if we havent already address the interior line in the 1st 2 rounds, there is nobody I would want more. As much as I like Moffit, I just dont think we wait that long to find a center/guard.


ya, but if there was ever a yr to wait for a center/guard, this is the yr, as its the deepest crop in yrs, if not the past decade...

Moffitt may be a shoe in for RD 2, in other yrs, if there wasen't such studly prospects like Rodney Hudson, Mike Pouncey, Orlando Franklin, Marcus Cannon, Jake Kirkpatrick, danny watkins, clint boling, will rackley, benjamin ijalana, stef wisnewski, brandon fusco, kris o'dowd, demarcus love, james carpenter....etc...tec

Theres a ton of talented guards and centers, and guard/center combos, this season... I think you get great value outta moffitt, because he falls because of a combine performance, that was less then stellar, but clearly, u put on the tape, and the guys flat out dominant... Not to mention, hes got expierence on all 3interior positons.... We love that versatility on our Oline, maybe more then any team in football... Moffitt really fits this team well... I love kirkpatrick myself, but i believe at least from a versatility standpoint, u get quite a bit more outta moffitt.. But, kirkpatrick certainly fits the bill, as a giant type anchor, and Quarterback of the oline, with his off the charts intangables, and winning attitude.....

nycsportzfan
03-30-2011, 04:38 AM
The more and more i think about Perry Fewell.. I think a player hes gonna really want on our defense, is Greg Jones of Michigan St... Hes versatile, as he can play inside or out on the Weakside, hes a good sideline to sideline player, and obviously, can get to the passer, and behind the line, and also can drop into a zone and blanket a TE or RB on short routes... I have a feeling if Greg Jones is on the board in RD 2, and we still need a LB, we may draft him... We sometimes talk about players who remind us of giant type draft picks, and last yr, i said Chad Jones and Sean Lee reminded me of Giant Type picks, and this yr, i'd have to say Greg Jones, leads the way... He just reminds me of a guy the giants will love.. I'd be surprised if we don't bring him in for a visit... I could see the giants drafting Greg Jones and Mark Herzlich, to be totally honest....

nycsportzfan
03-30-2011, 04:57 AM
A absoulutley great article from Rob Rang, with his Overrated/Undrrated per positon.. I absoulutley love Terrell McClain, and have him as my number 1 sleeper months ago, and expected him to move up to rd 3-4, and i also, couldent agree more about Mason Foster and Nate Solder.. Nate Solder is probably the pick i dont want the giants to make, the most... I see to many red flags, and feel like hes got the highest BUST chance, outta all the OT's... I'm also not huge on Ryan Williams, so i agree there.. I do dissagree about Kyle Rudolph, as i really like him,a nd think hes got the size/speed, and soft hands, and blocking technique, that will if he stays healthy, put him in the upper echelon of TE in the NFL a couple yrs down the line... And, i also think Jabaal Sheard is gonna be a terror, and i've seen him many times, and have said on here, i expect him to sneak into RD 1, or close to it, and be a amazing player for someone, on sundays... I've also mentioned Greg Salas, as far back as the 1st week of this past college football season, as a WR worth keeping a eye on...

some of the draft's top prospects becomes more prevalent.


Some prospects suffer from limited coverage, others are
over-projected because of misleading collegiate statistics, or
simply faulty scouting. There are dozens of players in this year's
draft being woefully overrated and underrated by the masses. </p>


To try to set the record straight, I've spoken to the only true
experts in this field -- NFL scouts -- to try and determine the
most overrated and underrated players at each position. They
aren't claiming that an "overrated" player won't turn out to be a
good player, only that he may not be the sure-fire NFL star some
pegged him to be. On the flip side, "underrated" prospects, in the
opinion of scouts, aren't getting as much public recognition as
their talents warrant. </p>

Defense </p>

Defensive end </p>

Overrated
Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson: Bowers
is the best all-around defensive end in this draft. To warrant a
top pick, a 4-3 defensive end needs to be an explosive pass
rusher. Despite leading the country with 15.5 sacks, Bowers lacks
the quick-twitch burst off the snap that typically translates to
double-digit sacks in the NFL. Without stout defensive tackles
running a variety of twists and stunts to free him up in the NFL
-- as 2011 defensive tackle prospect Jarvis Jenkins did at Clemson
-- I'd be surprised if Bowers ever reaches 10 sacks in a 16-game
NFL season. </p>

Underrated
Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh: Sheard
isn't a traditional pass-rushing end -- a sudden athlete capable
of beating NFL-caliber offensive tackles with speed alone. Sheard
has a surprisingly strong bull rush at 6-3, 264 pounds, and has
shown consistent improvement throughout his career. Rather than
fall apart while facing double teams after "star" Greg Romeus went
down because of an injury, Sheard raised his game, earning the
Big East Defensive Player of the Year honors with 52 tackles, 14.5
tackles for loss, nine sacks and four forced fumbles. Sheard,
likely to be taken between picks 20-45, will be more productive as
a rookie than at least a few of the more highly touted defensive
ends of this draft. </p>

Defensive tackle </p>

Overrated
Nick Fairley, Auburn: I've
said it many times: Fairley might just be the most physically
gifted player in this draft. Three-hundred-pound defensive tackles
with his quick feet and hands are precisely what scouts are
looking for in a three-technique defensive tackle. He might be the
second coming of Warren Sapp. And yet, the maturity concerns are
very real. Some scouts believe Fairley might "turn off the motor"
once checks can be cashed, making him a considerable gamble as a
top-10 pick. </p>

Underrated
Terrell McClain, South Florida: Short,
stout and quick, McClain quietly established himself as one of
the better "second tier" defensive tackles in this draft with
back-to-back impressive showings at the East-West Shrine Game and
as an injury replacement to Oregon State's Stephen Paea at the
Senior Bowl. Don't be surprised when this Bull is drafted in the
second or third round. </p>

Outside linebacker </p>

Overrated
Justin Houston, Georgia: The
fact that Houston keeps popping up in mock drafts is evidence
that some scouts are high on him. Yet, everyone with whom I've
discussed his pro potential has characterized him as one of the
draft's most overrated prospects. Houston lacks strength at the
point of attack as a defensive end and isn't quick off the snap as
a stand-up rusher (though he is quick from the three-point
stance). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Houston wind up in
the first round, but as a classic 'tweener, he'll likely struggle
in the NFL. </p>

Underrated
Mason Foster, Washington: Foster
finished second only to Boston College star Luke Kuechly in total
(163) and solo tackles (105) in 2010. Some of that production
stems from the fact that the Washington Huskies weren't a very
good defensive football team, so Foster racked up stops. The film
shows that Foster locates the ball quickly, uses his hands well to
slip blocks and is a reliable open-field tackler. He won't be
drafted until the middle rounds, but Foster will be tough to get
off the field once he gets his shot in the NFL. </p>

Inside linebacker </p>

Overrated
Martez Wilson, Illinois: Wilson
competes with Nevada outside linebacker Dontay Moch as this
year's most impressive workout warrior linebacker. Wilson
struggles locating the football, making him significantly slower
on the field than the 6-4, 250-pounder timed at the combine
(4.46-second electronic time). This is particularly troublesome
for Wilson considering he's played linebacker for three seasons
with the Illini, as opposed to Moch, who starred as a defensive
end. Wilson might measure like a first-rounder, but his tape says he's
closer to a third-round pick. </p>

Underrated
Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina: Like
many of his Tar Heel teammates, Sturdivant did not have the 2010
season he anticipated. With an NCAA investigation and resulting
multiple suspensions jarring the program, Sturdivant was unable to
help on the field, losing five games to a hamstring pull. But he
returned to form upon coming back, racking up tackles (third on
the team with 49). He enjoyed a fitting end to his career,
intercepting a Tennessee pass on his final play to seal a 30-27
double-overtime Music City Bowl victory. Sturdivant isn't flashy,
but he'll prove to be a capable starter early in his career. </p>

Cornerback </p>

Overrated
Prince Amukamara, Nebraska: Amukamara
has proven throughout his career that he has the size,
physicality and athleticism to be a first-round pick. Most teams
believe that to warrant consideration as a top-10 pick, a
cornerback has to have elite ball skills. This is the area of
concern for Amukamara, despite the fact that he was a standout
running back in high school. Amukamara intercepted only five of
the 27 passes he broke up over his career. Oddly, all five
interceptions came during his junior season. </p>

Underrated
Jalil Brown, Colorado: Overshadowed
throughout much of his career by teammate Jimmy Smith, Brown's
solid build (6-0, 204 pounds), speed and competitiveness make him a
quality middle-round prospect. A high-effort player who is
aggressive against the run, pass and on special teams, Brown might
not enter the NFL with a lot of fanfare, but could develop into a
quality starter within a year or two. </p>

Safety </p>

Overrated
FS Rahim Moore, UCLA: Having
led the NCAA with 10 interceptions in 2009, Moore probably was
planning on leaving school after his junior season. When his
production and overall play tailed off considerably in 2010,
however, he surprised some scouts by coming out early, anyway.
There is no denying Moore's athleticism. His coverage skills stand
out in this weak class and are likely enough to get him drafted
in the second round -- which could prove the highest selection for
any safety. </p>

Underrated
SS Da'Norris Searcy, North Carolina: Searcy
might've been overlooked because of more-hyped teammates, but he
led North Carolina in passes broken up (nine) and interceptions
(four) despite the fact he was suspended for the first three
games. Searcy didn't get the playmaking opportunities at strong
safety that others had, yet proved his instincts and open-field
tackling skills were NFL-caliber throughout his career and at the
Senior Bowl. Searcy could be an immense value if allowed to slip
into the second half of the draft. </p>

Offense </p>

Quarterback </p>

Overrated
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri: Gabbert
saw his production fall in his junior season and ended his career
throwing an interception that was returned by Iowa for the
winning points in the Insight Bowl. Scouts like Gabbert. The
problem is, no one seems to love him. That shouldn't happen for a
player expected to be a top five pick and possibly No. 1 overall.
</p>

Underrated
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa: Stanzi
-- Gabbert's opponent in the Insight Bowl -- checks in as the
most underrated. Stanzi is like a lot of the underrated players on
this list: better on tape than he's been in workouts. He has
ideal size (6-4, 223 pounds) and has made consistent improvement
throughout his career. Stanzi could prove quite the steal in the
middle rounds. </p>

Running back </p>

Overrated
Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech: Williams
enjoyed a marvelous 2009 season, but a hamstring kept him
sidelined for four games in 2010 and his statistics didn't meet
his or scouts expectations. Then he was shorter (5 feet, 9 inches)
and slower (electronically timed at 4.64 seconds) than expected
at the combine. He's viewed as a second-round pick who could give
first-round production. It is also possible that Williams, like
Kevin Jones and Lee Suggs before him, could struggle duplicating
his collegiate success at the NFL level. </p>

Underrated
Graig Cooper, Miami (Fla.): Prior
to tearing his ACL on Dec. 27, 2009, against Wisconsin in the
Champs Sports Bowl, Cooper also was considered a second-round
pick. Cooper surprised many with the decision to play last season
rather than take a redshirt and clearly was not the same player.
However, he improved as the season went, including impressing at
the East-West Shrine Game. He demonstrated that his knee was sound
at the combine by passing physicals and turning in the fastest
time in the 3-cone drill of all running backs who tested (6.66
seconds). Cooper will slip on draft day, but will be considered a
steal in time. </p>

Tight end </p>

Overrated
Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame: Rudolph
has been characterized by some in the media as a clone of Rob
Gronkowski, the Patriots star rookie who slipped to the second
round because of concerns about the back injury that sidelined him
for his entire junior season. Like Gronkowski, Rudolph missed
extensive time in his junior season (torn hamstring). Rudolph,
however, isn't the same caliber of athlete or all-around football
player that Gronkowski is and owes some of his name recognition
simply to the fact that statistics and hype were easy to come by
when playing under Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. </p>

Underrated
Rob Housler, Florida Atlantic: This
year's relatively weak crop of tight ends is highlighted by
several receiver hybrids with limited blocking skills. Unlike some
of the basketball converts in this class, Housler's rise to fame
is strictly due to his size, production and athleticism. The 6-5,
247-pound Housler's 4.55-second electronically timed 40-yard dash
translates onto the field, as does his potential as an in-line
blocker considering his 80-inch wingspan and 22 repetitions of 225
pounds. Had Housler earned his second-team all conference honors
(39 catches for 629 yards and four TDs) in the Pac-10 or Big Ten
rather than the Sun Belt, he wouldn't make it out of the second
round. </p>

Wide receiver </p>

Overrated
Titus Young, Boise State: I
hear the comparison of Young to DeSean Jackson and chuckle. They
are similar in that both played in the West, are considerably
lighter than most NFL receivers and left school with significant
off-field concerns. At 5-11, 174 pounds Young was electronically
timed at the 2011 combine at 4.49 seconds. At 5-10, 169 pounds
Jackson was clocked at 4.35 seconds in 2008. Some have pointed to
their return skills. Young was a standout kick returner for Boise
State, but his lack of bulk won't allow him to play that position
in the NFL and he returned only 11 punts in four seasons with the
Broncos. This, of course, is quite a bit different than the six
punt return touchdowns Jackson scored for California against
better competition. </p>

Underrated
Greg Salas, Hawaii: Similar
to Young's teammate, Austin Pettis, in this role as his size,
strength and soft hands will make him a valuable receiver. Those
characteristics also aid Salas in the NFL. He struggled with drops
at the Senior Bowl, but scouts believe he was trying to make
plays before securing the pass, as his tape at Hawaii shows a
remarkably sure-handed receiver. There certainly is plenty of tape
to prove my point. Salas caught 285 passes for 4,345 yards and 26
touchdowns for Hawaii. Don't be surprised if Salas winds up in
the second or third round. </p>

Offensive tackle </p>

Overrated
Nate Solder, Colorado: Three
years from now Solder could wind up being the best offensive
tackle selected in this draft. He also could wind up a first-round
bust. It is easy to fall in love with Solder's upside, as the
6-8, 319-pounder has extraordinary athleticism. But he lost when
facing speed and power at the collegiate level and he'll see much
more of both in the NFL. </p>

Underrated
James Carpenter, Alabama: I'm
not a big fan of this year's offensive tackle class. But the best
value in the draft could wind up being Carpenter, who I expect to
see drafted in the second round. Carpenter signed with Alabama as
a juco transfer and was immediately plugged in for former No. 6
overall pick Andre Smith at left tackle and started the rest of
his career. Carpenter doesn't have elite athleticism. He might not
be able to remain on the left side in the NFL, in fact, but he
can come in and win a starting job right now and has the work
ethic and physical toughness to start in this league for the next
10 years. </p>

Offensive guard/center </p>

Overrated
Mike Pouncey, Florida: The
unfortunate reality is that Mike is not quite as athletic as his
brother Maurkice, a rookie Pro Bowler for the AFC champion
Pittsburgh Steelers in 2010. Because they are identical twins, the
expectation of some is that Mike is going to come into the NFL
and enjoy the same type of immediate success. Those unrealistic
expectations make Pouncey, a solid player in his own right, a
touch overrated. </p>

Underrated
Maurice Hurt, Florida: There
are two significant reasons why Hurt hasn't received more
attention. For one, he plays on the same line as Mike Pouncey and
two other senior Gator offensive linemen who could get drafted, so
credit was tough to come by. Secondly, he has a bad body. Quite
frankly, the 6-2 5/8, 318-pounder is round. That said, he has
surprisingly long arms for his frame (third among all interior OL
tested at the combine), which the tape proves he uses well in pass
protection and in the running game. Don't be surprised when Hurt
is drafted on the third day of the draft, but he winds up
outperforming some prospects taken much earlier. </p>

BlueSanta
03-30-2011, 07:16 AM
The more and more i think about Perry Fewell.. I think a player hes gonna really want on our defense, is Greg Jones of Michigan St... Hes versatile, as he can play inside or out on the Weakside, hes a good sideline to sideline player, and obviously, can get to the passer, and behind the line, and also can drop into a zone and blanket a TE or RB on short routes... I have a feeling if Greg Jones is on the board in RD 2, and we still need a LB, we may draft him... We sometimes talk about players who remind us of giant type draft picks, and last yr, i said Chad Jones and Sean Lee reminded me of Giant Type picks, and this yr, i'd have to say Greg Jones, leads the way... He just reminds me of a guy the giants will love.. I'd be surprised if we don't bring him in for a visit... I could see the giants drafting Greg Jones and Mark Herzlich, to be totally honest....


I think he is a good player.

But, the Giants have always had a preference for size on defense. Jones' height may hurt him in Reeses eyes.

BlueSanta
03-30-2011, 07:26 AM
A absoulutley great article from Rob Rang, with his Overrated/Undrrated per positon.. I absoulutley love Terrell McClain, and have him as my number 1 sleeper months ago, and expected him to move up to rd 3-4, and i also, couldent agree more about Mason Foster and Nate Solder.. Nate Solder is probably the pick i dont want the giants to make, the most... I see to many red flags, and feel like hes got the highest BUST chance, outta all the OT's... I'm also not huge on Ryan Williams, so i agree there.. I do dissagree about Kyle Rudolph, as i really like him,a nd think hes got the size/speed, and soft hands, and blocking technique, that will if he stays healthy, put him in the upper echelon of TE in the NFL a couple yrs down the line... And, i also think Jabaal Sheard is gonna be a terror, and i've seen him many times, and have said on here, i expect him to sneak into RD 1, or close to it, and be a amazing player for someone, on sundays... I've also mentioned Greg Salas, as far back as the 1st week of this past college football season, as a WR worth keeping a eye on...

some of the draft's top prospects becomes more prevalent.


Some prospects suffer from limited coverage, others are
over-projected because of misleading collegiate statistics, or
simply faulty scouting. There are dozens of players in this year's
draft being woefully overrated and underrated by the masses. </p>


To try to set the record straight, I've spoken to the only true
experts in this field -- NFL scouts -- to try and determine the
most overrated and underrated players at each position. They
aren't claiming that an "overrated" player won't turn out to be a
good player, only that he may not be the sure-fire NFL star some
pegged him to be. On the flip side, "underrated" prospects, in the
opinion of scouts, aren't getting as much public recognition as
their talents warrant. </p>

Defense </p>

Defensive end </p>

Overrated
Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson: Bowers
is the best all-around defensive end in this draft. To warrant a
top pick, a 4-3 defensive end needs to be an explosive pass
rusher. Despite leading the country with 15.5 sacks, Bowers lacks
the quick-twitch burst off the snap that typically translates to
double-digit sacks in the NFL. Without stout defensive tackles
running a variety of twists and stunts to free him up in the NFL
-- as 2011 defensive tackle prospect Jarvis Jenkins did at Clemson
-- I'd be surprised if Bowers ever reaches 10 sacks in a 16-game
NFL season. </p>

Underrated
Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh: Sheard
isn't a traditional pass-rushing end -- a sudden athlete capable
of beating NFL-caliber offensive tackles with speed alone. Sheard
has a surprisingly strong bull rush at 6-3, 264 pounds, and has
shown consistent improvement throughout his career. Rather than
fall apart while facing double teams after "star" Greg Romeus went
down because of an injury, Sheard raised his game, earning the
Big East Defensive Player of the Year honors with 52 tackles, 14.5
tackles for loss, nine sacks and four forced fumbles. Sheard,
likely to be taken between picks 20-45, will be more productive as
a rookie than at least a few of the more highly touted defensive
ends of this draft. </p>

Defensive tackle </p>

Overrated
Nick Fairley, Auburn: I've
said it many times: Fairley might just be the most physically
gifted player in this draft. Three-hundred-pound defensive tackles
with his quick feet and hands are precisely what scouts are
looking for in a three-technique defensive tackle. He might be the
second coming of Warren Sapp. And yet, the maturity concerns are
very real. Some scouts believe Fairley might "turn off the motor"
once checks can be cashed, making him a considerable gamble as a
top-10 pick. </p>

Underrated
Terrell McClain, South Florida: Short,
stout and quick, McClain quietly established himself as one of
the better "second tier" defensive tackles in this draft with
back-to-back impressive showings at the East-West Shrine Game and
as an injury replacement to Oregon State's Stephen Paea at the
Senior Bowl. Don't be surprised when this Bull is drafted in the
second or third round. </p>

Outside linebacker </p>

Overrated
Justin Houston, Georgia: The
fact that Houston keeps popping up in mock drafts is evidence
that some scouts are high on him. Yet, everyone with whom I've
discussed his pro potential has characterized him as one of the
draft's most overrated prospects. Houston lacks strength at the
point of attack as a defensive end and isn't quick off the snap as
a stand-up rusher (though he is quick from the three-point
stance). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Houston wind up in
the first round, but as a classic 'tweener, he'll likely struggle
in the NFL. </p>

Underrated
Mason Foster, Washington: Foster
finished second only to Boston College star Luke Kuechly in total
(163) and solo tackles (105) in 2010. Some of that production
stems from the fact that the Washington Huskies weren't a very
good defensive football team, so Foster racked up stops. The film
shows that Foster locates the ball quickly, uses his hands well to
slip blocks and is a reliable open-field tackler. He won't be
drafted until the middle rounds, but Foster will be tough to get
off the field once he gets his shot in the NFL. </p>

Inside linebacker </p>

Overrated
Martez Wilson, Illinois: Wilson
competes with Nevada outside linebacker Dontay Moch as this
year's most impressive workout warrior linebacker. Wilson
struggles locating the football, making him significantly slower
on the field than the 6-4, 250-pounder timed at the combine
(4.46-second electronic time). This is particularly troublesome
for Wilson considering he's played linebacker for three seasons
with the Illini, as opposed to Moch, who starred as a defensive
end. Wilson might measure like a first-rounder, but his tape says he's
closer to a third-round pick. </p>

Underrated
Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina: Like
many of his Tar Heel teammates, Sturdivant did not have the 2010
season he anticipated. With an NCAA investigation and resulting
multiple suspensions jarring the program, Sturdivant was unable to
help on the field, losing five games to a hamstring pull. But he
returned to form upon coming back, racking up tackles (third on
the team with 49). He enjoyed a fitting end to his career,
intercepting a Tennessee pass on his final play to seal a 30-27
double-overtime Music City Bowl victory. Sturdivant isn't flashy,
but he'll prove to be a capable starter early in his career. </p>

Cornerback </p>

Overrated
Prince Amukamara, Nebraska: Amukamara
has proven throughout his career that he has the size,
physicality and athleticism to be a first-round pick. Most teams
believe that to warrant consideration as a top-10 pick, a
cornerback has to have elite ball skills. This is the area of
concern for Amukamara, despite the fact that he was a standout
running back in high school. Amukamara intercepted only five of
the 27 passes he broke up over his career. Oddly, all five
interceptions came during his junior season. </p>

Underrated
Jalil Brown, Colorado: Overshadowed
throughout much of his career by teammate Jimmy Smith, Brown's
solid build (6-0, 204 pounds), speed and competitiveness make him a
quality middle-round prospect. A high-effort player who is
aggressive against the run, pass and on special teams, Brown might
not enter the NFL with a lot of fanfare, but could develop into a
quality starter within a year or two. </p>

Safety </p>

Overrated
FS Rahim Moore, UCLA: Having
led the NCAA with 10 interceptions in 2009, Moore probably was
planning on leaving school after his junior season. When his
production and overall play tailed off considerably in 2010,
however, he surprised some scouts by coming out early, anyway.
There is no denying Moore's athleticism. His coverage skills stand
out in this weak class and are likely enough to get him drafted
in the second round -- which could prove the highest selection for
any safety. </p>

Underrated
SS Da'Norris Searcy, North Carolina: Searcy
might've been overlooked because of more-hyped teammates, but he
led North Carolina in passes broken up (nine) and interceptions
(four) despite the fact he was suspended for the first three
games. Searcy didn't get the playmaking opportunities at strong
safety that others had, yet proved his instincts and open-field
tackling skills were NFL-caliber throughout his career and at the
Senior Bowl. Searcy could be an immense value if allowed to slip
into the second half of the draft. </p>

Offense </p>

Quarterback </p>

Overrated
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri: Gabbert
saw his production fall in his junior season and ended his career
throwing an interception that was returned by Iowa for the
winning points in the Insight Bowl. Scouts like Gabbert. The
problem is, no one seems to love him. That shouldn't happen for a
player expected to be a top five pick and possibly No. 1 overall.
</p>

Underrated
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa: Stanzi
-- Gabbert's opponent in the Insight Bowl -- checks in as the
most underrated. Stanzi is like a lot of the underrated players on
this list: better on tape than he's been in workouts. He has
ideal size (6-4, 223 pounds) and has made consistent improvement
throughout his career. Stanzi could prove quite the steal in the
middle rounds. </p>

Running back </p>

Overrated
Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech: Williams
enjoyed a marvelous 2009 season, but a hamstring kept him
sidelined for four games in 2010 and his statistics didn't meet
his or scouts expectations. Then he was shorter (5 feet, 9 inches)
and slower (electronically timed at 4.64 seconds) than expected
at the combine. He's viewed as a second-round pick who could give
first-round production. It is also possible that Williams, like
Kevin Jones and Lee Suggs before him, could struggle duplicating
his collegiate success at the NFL level. </p>

Underrated
Graig Cooper, Miami (Fla.): Prior
to tearing his ACL on Dec. 27, 2009, against Wisconsin in the
Champs Sports Bowl, Cooper also was considered a second-round
pick. Cooper surprised many with the decision to play last season
rather than take a redshirt and clearly was not the same player.
However, he improved as the season went, including impressing at
the East-West Shrine Game. He demonstrated that his knee was sound
at the combine by passing physicals and turning in the fastest
time in the 3-cone drill of all running backs who tested (6.66
seconds). Cooper will slip on draft day, but will be considered a
steal in time. </p>

Tight end </p>

Overrated
Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame: Rudolph
has been characterized by some in the media as a clone of Rob
Gronkowski, the Patriots star rookie who slipped to the second
round because of concerns about the back injury that sidelined him
for his entire junior season. Like Gronkowski, Rudolph missed
extensive time in his junior season (torn hamstring). Rudolph,
however, isn't the same caliber of athlete or all-around football
player that Gronkowski is and owes some of his name recognition
simply to the fact that statistics and hype were easy to come by
when playing under Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. </p>

Underrated
Rob Housler, Florida Atlantic: This
year's relatively weak crop of tight ends is highlighted by
several receiver hybrids with limited blocking skills. Unlike some
of the basketball converts in this class, Housler's rise to fame
is strictly due to his size, production and athleticism. The 6-5,
247-pound Housler's 4.55-second electronically timed 40-yard dash
translates onto the field, as does his potential as an in-line
blocker considering his 80-inch wingspan and 22 repetitions of 225
pounds. Had Housler earned his second-team all conference honors
(39 catches for 629 yards and four TDs) in the Pac-10 or Big Ten
rather than the Sun Belt, he wouldn't make it out of the second
round. </p>

Wide receiver </p>

Overrated
Titus Young, Boise State: I
hear the comparison of Young to DeSean Jackson and chuckle. They
are similar in that both played in the West, are considerably
lighter than most NFL receivers and left school with significant
off-field concerns. At 5-11, 174 pounds Young was electronically
timed at the 2011 combine at 4.49 seconds. At 5-10, 169 pounds
Jackson was clocked at 4.35 seconds in 2008. Some have pointed to
their return skills. Young was a standout kick returner for Boise
State, but his lack of bulk won't allow him to play that position
in the NFL and he returned only 11 punts in four seasons with the
Broncos. This, of course, is quite a bit different than the six
punt return touchdowns Jackson scored for California against
better competition. </p>

Underrated
Greg Salas, Hawaii: Similar
to Young's teammate, Austin Pettis, in this role as his size,
strength and soft hands will make him a valuable receiver. Those
characteristics also aid Salas in the NFL. He struggled with drops
at the Senior Bowl, but scouts believe he was trying to make
plays before securing the pass, as his tape at Hawaii shows a
remarkably sure-handed receiver. There certainly is plenty of tape
to prove my point. Salas caught 285 passes for 4,345 yards and 26
touchdowns for Hawaii. Don't be surprised if Salas winds up in
the second or third round. </p>

Offensive tackle </p>

Overrated
Nate Solder, Colorado: Three
years from now Solder could wind up being the best offensive
tackle selected in this draft. He also could wind up a first-round
bust. It is easy to fall in love with Solder's upside, as the
6-8, 319-pounder has extraordinary athleticism. But he lost when
facing speed and power at the collegiate level and he'll see much
more of both in the NFL. </p>

Underrated
James Carpenter, Alabama: I'm
not a big fan of this year's offensive tackle class. But the best
value in the draft could wind up being Carpenter, who I expect to
see drafted in the second round. Carpenter signed with Alabama as
a juco transfer and was immediately plugged in for former No. 6
overall pick Andre Smith at left tackle and started the rest of
his career. Carpenter doesn't have elite athleticism. He might not
be able to remain on the left side in the NFL, in fact, but he
can come in and win a starting job right now and has the work
ethic and physical toughness to start in this league for the next
10 years. </p>

Offensive guard/center </p>

Overrated
Mike Pouncey, Florida: The
unfortunate reality is that Mike is not quite as athletic as his
brother Maurkice, a rookie Pro Bowler for the AFC champion
Pittsburgh Steelers in 2010. Because they are identical twins, the
expectation of some is that Mike is going to come into the NFL
and enjoy the same type of immediate success. Those unrealistic
expectations make Pouncey, a solid player in his own right, a
touch overrated. </p>

Underrated
Maurice Hurt, Florida: There
are two significant reasons why Hurt hasn't received more
attention. For one, he plays on the same line as Mike Pouncey and
two other senior Gator offensive linemen who could get drafted, so
credit was tough to come by. Secondly, he has a bad body. Quite
frankly, the 6-2 5/8, 318-pounder is round. That said, he has
surprisingly long arms for his frame (third among all interior OL
tested at the combine), which the tape proves he uses well in pass
protection and in the running game. Don't be surprised when Hurt
is drafted on the third day of the draft, but he winds up
outperforming some prospects taken much earlier. </p>


Thats an awesome list. I cant find much wrong with it.

I've been saying for a long time that Rob Housler is better than he is projected. He catches the ball well and once he does have it, he looks like a shifty WR in the open field, not a TE.

Redeyejedi
03-30-2011, 08:49 AM
A absolutely great article from Rob Rang, with his Overrated/Undrrated per position.. I absolutely love Terrell McClain, and have him as my number 1 sleeper months ago, and expected him to move up to rd 3-4, and i also, couldn't agree more about Mason Foster and Nate Solder.. Nate Solder is probably the pick i dont want the giants to make, the most... I see to many red flags, and feel like hes got the highest BUST chance, outta all the OT's... I'm also not huge on Ryan Williams, so i agree there.. I do disagree about Kyle Rudolph, as i really like him,and think hes got the size/speed, and soft hands, and blocking technique, that will if he stays healthy, put him in the upper echelon of TE in the NFL a couple yrs down the line... And, i also think Jabaal Sheard is gonna be a terror, and i've seen him many times, and have said on here, i expect him to sneak into RD 1, or close to it, and be a amazing player for someone, on sundays... I've also mentioned Greg Salas, as far back as the 1st week of this past college football season, as a WR worth keeping a eye on...

some of the draft's top prospects becomes more prevalent.


Some prospects suffer from limited coverage, others are over-projected because of misleading collegiate statistics, or simply faulty scouting. There are dozens of players in this year's draft being woefully overrated and underrated by the masses. </P>


To try to set the record straight, I've spoken to the only true experts in this field -- NFL scouts -- to try and determine the most overrated and underrated players at each position. They aren't claiming that an "overrated" player won't turn out to be a good player, only that he may not be the sure-fire NFL star some pegged him to be. On the flip side, "underrated" prospects, in the opinion of scouts, aren't getting as much public recognition as their talents warrant. </P>


Defense </P>


Defensive end </P>


Overrated
Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson: Bowers is the best all-around defensive end in this draft. To warrant a top pick, a 4-3 defensive end needs to be an explosive pass rusher. Despite leading the country with 15.5 sacks, Bowers lacks the quick-twitch burst off the snap that typically translates to double-digit sacks in the NFL. Without stout defensive tackles running a variety of twists and stunts to free him up in the NFL -- as 2011 defensive tackle prospect Jarvis Jenkins did at Clemson -- I'd be surprised if Bowers ever reaches 10 sacks in a 16-game NFL season. </P>


Underrated
Jabaal Sheard, Pittsburgh: Sheard isn't a traditional pass-rushing end -- a sudden athlete capable of beating NFL-caliber offensive tackles with speed alone. Sheard has a surprisingly strong bull rush at 6-3, 264 pounds, and has shown consistent improvement throughout his career. Rather than fall apart while facing double teams after "star" Greg Romeus went down because of an injury, Sheard raised his game, earning the Big East Defensive Player of the Year honors with 52 tackles, 14.5 tackles for loss, nine sacks and four forced fumbles. Sheard, likely to be taken between picks 20-45, will be more productive as a rookie than at least a few of the more highly touted defensive ends of this draft. </P>


Defensive tackle </P>


Overrated
Nick Fairley, Auburn: I've said it many times: Fairley might just be the most physically gifted player in this draft. Three-hundred-pound defensive tackles with his quick feet and hands are precisely what scouts are looking for in a three-technique defensive tackle. He might be the second coming of Warren Sapp. And yet, the maturity concerns are very real. Some scouts believe Fairley might "turn off the motor" once checks can be cashed, making him a considerable gamble as a top-10 pick. </P>


Underrated
Terrell McClain, South Florida: Short, stout and quick, McClain quietly established himself as one of the better "second tier" defensive tackles in this draft with back-to-back impressive showings at the East-West Shrine Game and as an injury replacement to Oregon State's Stephen Paea at the Senior Bowl. Don't be surprised when this Bull is drafted in the second or third round. </P>


Outside linebacker </P>


Overrated
Justin Houston, Georgia: The fact that Houston keeps popping up in mock drafts is evidence that some scouts are high on him. Yet, everyone with whom I've discussed his pro potential has characterized him as one of the draft's most overrated prospects. Houston lacks strength at the point of attack as a defensive end and isn't quick off the snap as a stand-up rusher (though he is quick from the three-point stance). I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Houston wind up in the first round, but as a classic 'tweener, he'll likely struggle in the NFL. </P>


Underrated
Mason Foster, Washington: Foster finished second only to Boston College star Luke Kuechly in total (163) and solo tackles (105) in 2010. Some of that production stems from the fact that the Washington Huskies weren't a very good defensive football team, so Foster racked up stops. The film shows that Foster locates the ball quickly, uses his hands well to slip blocks and is a reliable open-field tackler. He won't be drafted until the middle rounds, but Foster will be tough to get off the field once he gets his shot in the NFL. </P>


Inside linebacker </P>


Overrated
Martez Wilson, Illinois: Wilson competes with Nevada outside linebacker Dontay Moch as this year's most impressive workout warrior linebacker. Wilson struggles locating the football, making him significantly slower on the field than the 6-4, 250-pounder timed at the combine (4.46-second electronic time). This is particularly troublesome for Wilson considering he's played linebacker for three seasons with the Illini, as opposed to Moch, who starred as a defensive end. Wilson might measure like a first-rounder, but his tape says he's closer to a third-round pick. </P>


Underrated
Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina: Like many of his Tar Heel teammates, Sturdivant did not have the 2010 season he anticipated. With an NCAA investigation and resulting multiple suspensions jarring the program, Sturdivant was unable to help on the field, losing five games to a hamstring pull. But he returned to form upon coming back, racking up tackles (third on the team with 49). He enjoyed a fitting end to his career, intercepting a Tennessee pass on his final play to seal a 30-27 double-overtime Music City Bowl victory. Sturdivant isn't flashy, but he'll prove to be a capable starter early in his career. </P>


Cornerback </P>


Overrated
Prince Amukamara, Nebraska: Amukamara has proven throughout his career that he has the size, physicality and athleticism to be a first-round pick. Most teams believe that to warrant consideration as a top-10 pick, a cornerback has to have elite ball skills. This is the area of concern for Amukamara, despite the fact that he was a standout running back in high school. Amukamara intercepted only five of the 27 passes he broke up over his career. Oddly, all five interceptions came during his junior season. </P>


Underrated
Jalil Brown, Colorado: Overshadowed throughout much of his career by teammate Jimmy Smith, Brown's solid build (6-0, 204 pounds), speed and competitiveness make him a quality middle-round prospect. A high-effort player who is aggressive against the run, pass and on special teams, Brown might not enter the NFL with a lot of fanfare, but could develop into a quality starter within a year or two. </P>


Safety </P>


Overrated
FS Rahim Moore, UCLA: Having led the NCAA with 10 interceptions in 2009, Moore probably was planning on leaving school after his junior season. When his production and overall play tailed off considerably in 2010, however, he surprised some scouts by coming out early, anyway. There is no denying Moore's athleticism. His coverage skills stand out in this weak class and are likely enough to get him drafted in the second round -- which could prove the highest selection for any safety. </P>


Underrated
SS Da'Norris Searcy, North Carolina: Searcy might've been overlooked because of more-hyped teammates, but he led North Carolina in passes broken up (nine) and interceptions (four) despite the fact he was suspended for the first three games. Searcy didn't get the playmaking opportunities at strong safety that others had, yet proved his instincts and open-field tackling skills were NFL-caliber throughout his career and at the Senior Bowl. Searcy could be an immense value if allowed to slip into the second half of the draft. </P>


Offense </P>


Quarterback </P>


Overrated
Blaine Gabbert, Missouri: Gabbert saw his production fall in his junior season and ended his career throwing an interception that was returned by Iowa for the winning points in the Insight Bowl. Scouts like Gabbert. The problem is, no one seems to love him. That shouldn't happen for a player expected to be a top five pick and possibly No. 1 overall. </P>


Underrated
Ricky Stanzi, Iowa: Stanzi -- Gabbert's opponent in the Insight Bowl -- checks in as the most underrated. Stanzi is like a lot of the underrated players on this list: better on tape than he's been in workouts. He has ideal size (6-4, 223 pounds) and has made consistent improvement throughout his career. Stanzi could prove quite the steal in the middle rounds. </P>


Running back </P>


Overrated
Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech: Williams enjoyed a marvelous 2009 season, but a hamstring kept him sidelined for four games in 2010 and his statistics didn't meet his or scouts expectations. Then he was shorter (5 feet, 9 inches) and slower (electronically timed at 4.64 seconds) than expected at the combine. He's viewed as a second-round pick who could give first-round production. It is also possible that Williams, like Kevin Jones and Lee Suggs before him, could struggle duplicating his collegiate success at the NFL level. </P>


Underrated
Graig Cooper, Miami (Fla.): Prior to tearing his ACL on Dec. 27, 2009, against Wisconsin in the Champs Sports Bowl, Cooper also was considered a second-round pick. Cooper surprised many with the decision to play last season rather than take a redshirt and clearly was not the same player. However, he improved as the season went, including impressing at the East-West Shrine Game. He demonstrated that his knee was sound at the combine by passing physicals and turning in the fastest time in the 3-cone drill of all running backs who tested (6.66 seconds). Cooper will slip on draft day, but will be considered a steal in time. </P>


Tight end </P>


Overrated
Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame: Rudolph has been characterized by some in the media as a clone of Rob Gronkowski, the Patriots star rookie who slipped to the second round because of concerns about the back injury that sidelined him for his entire junior season. Like Gronkowski, Rudolph missed extensive time in his junior season (torn hamstring). Rudolph, however, isn't the same caliber of athlete or all-around football player that Gronkowski is and owes some of his name recognition simply to the fact that statistics and hype were easy to come by when playing under Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. </P>


Underrated
Rob Housler, Florida Atlantic: This year's relatively weak crop of tight ends is highlighted by several receiver hybrids with limited blocking skills. Unlike some of the basketball converts in this class, Housler's rise to fame is strictly due to his size, production and athleticism. The 6-5, 247-pound Housler's 4.55-second electronically timed 40-yard dash translates onto the field, as does his potential as an in-line blocker considering his 80-inch wingspan and 22 repetitions of 225 pounds. Had Housler earned his second-team all conference honors (39 catches for 629 yards and four TDs) in the Pac-10 or Big Ten rather than the Sun Belt, he wouldn't make it out of the second round. </P>


Wide receiver </P>


Overrated
Titus Young, Boise State: I hear the comparison of Young to DeSean Jackson and chuckle. They are similar in that both played in the West, are considerably lighter than most NFL receivers and left school with significant off-field concerns. At 5-11, 174 pounds Young was electronically timed at the 2011 combine at 4.49 seconds. At 5-10, 169 pounds Jackson was clocked at 4.35 seconds in 2008. Some have pointed to their return skills. Young was a standout kick returner for Boise State, but his lack of bulk won't allow him to play that position in the NFL and he returned only 11 punts in four seasons with the Broncos. This, of course, is quite a bit different than the six punt return touchdowns Jackson scored for California against better competition. </P>


Underrated
Greg Salas, Hawaii: Similar to Young's teammate, Austin Pettis, in this role as his size, strength and soft hands will make him a valuable receiver. Those characteristics also aid Salas in the NFL. He struggled with drops at the Senior Bowl, but scouts believe he was trying to make plays before securing the pass, as his tape at Hawaii shows a remarkably sure-handed receiver. There certainly is plenty of tape to prove my point. Salas caught 285 passes for 4,345 yards and 26 touchdowns for Hawaii. Don't be surprised if Salas winds up in the second or third round. </P>


Offensive tackle </P>


Overrated
Nate Solder, Colorado: Three years from now Solder could wind up being the best offensive tackle selected in this draft. He also could wind up a first-round bust. It is easy to fall in love with Solder's upside, as the 6-8, 319-pounder has extraordinary athleticism. But he lost when facing speed and power at the collegiate level and he'll see much more of both in the NFL. </P>


Underrated
James Carpenter, Alabama: I'm not a big fan of this year's offensive tackle class. But the best value in the draft could wind up being Carpenter, who I expect to see drafted in the second round. Carpenter signed with Alabama as a juco transfer and was immediately plugged in for former No. 6 overall pick Andre Smith at left tackle and started the rest of his career. Carpenter doesn't have elite athleticism. He might not be able to remain on the left side in the NFL, in fact, but he can come in and win a starting job right now and has the work ethic and physical toughness to start in this league for the next 10 years. </P>


Offensive guard/center </P>


Overrated
Mike Pouncey, Florida: The unfortunate reality is that Mike is not quite as athletic as his brother Maurkice, a rookie Pro Bowler for the AFC champion Pittsburgh Steelers in 2010. Because they are identical twins, the expectation of some is that Mike is going to come into the NFL and enjoy the same type of immediate success. Those unrealistic expectations make Pouncey, a solid player in his own right, a touch overrated. </P>


Underrated
Maurice Hurt, Florida: There are two significant reasons why Hurt hasn't received more attention. For one, he plays on the same line as Mike Pouncey and two other senior Gator offensive linemen who could get drafted, so credit was tough to come by. Secondly, he has a bad body. Quite frankly, the 6-2 5/8, 318-pounder is round. That said, he has surprisingly long arms for his frame (third among all interior OL tested at the combine), which the tape proves he uses well in pass protection and in the running game. Don't be surprised when Hurt is drafted on the third day of the draft, but he winds up outperforming some prospects taken much earlier. </P>



</P>


Anyone that thinks Jalil Brown is underrated didnt see the Georgia game, AJ Green destroyed him</P>


Besides that I agree to a point. I dont like Justin Houston he scares me and he I really hope the giants dont draft him. His tape is mediocre .</P>


Fairly can be a dominate player but I understand the worries. Terrel Mcclain one of Sportzfans favorite players has very good tape and deserves to be more highly regarded.</P>


Bowers I think he is going to be a very good strongside end. Do u draft a strongside end that gets 8 sacks a year in the top 10?</P>


Ive been watching Jabbal Shepard here and there the last few days. I have the Notre Dame game half watched. He has pass rush ability but i not sure he is underrated. Most people have him in the top of the second. Maybe a few picks but not as underrated as Mcclain</P>


I have to say I agree with a lot of this Im glad U posted it</P>

Redeyejedi
03-30-2011, 09:01 AM
I forgot a 6th rd pick, crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

1. akeem ayers lb ucla
2. davon house cb n.mex st
3. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
4. ross homan lb ohio st
6. lee smith te marshall
6. charles clay fb/te/rb/wr tulsa
6. KYLE HIX RT TEXAS- a nice late rd sleeper RT player, with good size and expierence..
7. davonte shannon ss buffalo

Looks good to me.

Ive said there are guys I like more than Ayers in the 1st, though its not like I would cry if we selected him.

Of course, you know I like Davonte Shannon. Im a big fan of Lee Smith, House and Kirkpatrick. Homan is not only exactly the type of player we need(43 old good in space) but he is exactly the type of class-act leader the Giants like to select. I do think A FB who can catch would be a nice addition to this team, so Clay would fit there.

Overal, I can say I would be quite happy with this draft.








As bored as i am... I was wondering santa, if i changed my 1st rder, to a O-lineman, which would essentially, change my whole mock, do u like it????????


1. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin- obviously, the pop pick is castanzo, but i'm slowley starting to think someone gets him before we pick and both ty.smith and ant castanzo are off the board.. I was impressed with carimi this past season, and hes a run mauling machine, with great charechter and confidence...I think he kinda gets a bum wrap, as people say, hes not athletic enough for LT, but i dont agree, and think hes just athletic enough, to handle most DE's, and his pure strength and strong hands and punch are uncanny... I liked Bulaga alot last yr, and i have carimi just above him.. He tested well at the combine, and with a stellar winning career to boot, whats not to like? Again, i don't think he's a athletic freak, but more athletic then some give credit for... Bradshaw will love running to his side, that is for sure.. Also, if i'm wrong about the LT thing, he can be our future stud at RT, with Beatty hopefully being the other half of our bookends...

2. Mason Foster LB Wash- a very involved LB, who really gets after it, has sideline to sideline capability, and solid instincts... Has the size, to hold up on the NFL level, and should be a 3down LB, and extremely good against the run.... I love this kid...

3. Deandre McDaniel SS Clem- a value pick here.. No more worrying about Chad Jones recovery, and we get a steal here, who last yr was a shoe in for RD1-2 consideration.. Hes got size, and more then enough speed, and could really hold his own in that Deon Grant Hybrid role, in my opinion.. Alot of upside here, as McDaniel could end up as a pro bowl S, when said and done.. Reminds me alot of Kenny Phillips coming out, for his phyiscal nature, but probably has a edge in Ball Skills... Also, a force in run support.. Good form while tackling, and should be a all around safety, exceling in both pass and run support..

4. John Moffitt G/C Wisconsin- a guy i freaking love, and had em mocked in RD 2, before a avg to bad combine.. It will certainly drop em(shoulden't), and i hope we pounce... with carimi and moffitt, we can really pound the rock, and Moffitt could develop into a C as well, as hes got some exp there.. Reese loves versatile players, and Moffitt has played all 3spots on the interior. Gives above avg Effort, on every play, and has a NY Giant phyisicallity to his play... A stronger version of Rich Seubert, in my opinion...

6. Cortez Allen CB Citadel- A sleeper i like, with good size and speed, Allen had a somewhat down season, or at least, Quiet season, due mostly to teams trying to avoid his side of the field, and kinda got back on Radars with a good combine.. In time, could surprise, and become a solid Corner, with added ball skills.... Excels in Man Coverege, and has some versatiilty, as he was moved around the secondary, mostly due to teams trying to elimate him from plays...

6. Lee Smith TE Marshall- See last mock

6. Evan Royster RB Penn St- a tough between the tackles runner, who can catch outta the backfield, very well.. Theres some upside here, and he could turn into a stud in the right situation.. Good blocker as well.. Might not be the speediest of backs, but can gain the hard short yards, with a rugged style of running, and also be a weapon in the pass catching game...

7. Dane Sazenbacher wr/kr Ohio St.- a blue collared player, who u take a chance on in these type rds, as u may just find a Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead type.. Always goes at 100pct, displays good hands, and if things work out, could become a big help, as a 3rd or 4th WR, in the slot, and on occasion, gets deep, and helps in return game... Gives it all, as a blocker as well..

A bunch of blue collared players here, and the Run game is helped immensly, and theres some upside toward teh back end with guys like Royster and Sazenbacher... The oline is solitfyed with the Corn bread wisconsin boys(moffitt and carimi), and added blocking with Lee Smith, making Bradshaw and Jacobs very happy men...lol U get gigantic rd 3 value in Mcdaniel, as hes got RD 1/2 type potential, and u got a guy in Cotrez Allen, who when said and done, could possibly be a starter....
Good value and good players. I like Moffit it seems like the combine that he took some hits.On tape he gets to the second level with ease. I think Moffit will be a starter in the NFL and I guy I would groom to play center.

A Clemson grad here. I'm not quite sure how I feel about Deandre McDaniel in the 3rd. He had a phenomenal breakout year his JR year. Last year he simply wasn't the same player. Missed lots of assignments and was beat deep multiple times. He also lost some of the viciousness he had his JR year. This is the same guy who in his JR picked off Christian Ponder, returned it only to see Ponder right in his sights, smiled, then laid him out and separated his shoulder effectively ending Ponder's season.

I'm not sure what happened to him in his SR yr. Some have suggested that he took it easy b/c he didn't want to risk injury, but I'm not sure I buy that. He often times found himself out of position and simply didn't come close to having the on field impact of his JR year. I view him as a boom or bust type player. He showed he has the skills, but can he find them again and further develop them once in the league?

Redeye, I'd be curious to hear your take on him?
</P>


Im not overly high on Mcdaniel. I do think where Sportzfan has him though is pretty good value. I prefer Deunta Williams myself . Both guys werent as good as the year before. I was disappointed with both players play this season. At times it seems Mcdanield didnt want to be there and was coasting to the NFL draft. If he returnshis junior year form then your getting a steal.</P>

heavyhitter
03-30-2011, 09:48 AM
<h3 class="headline"><font size="4"><a href="/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81f012c4/UCLA-pro-day-report">UCLA pro day
report</a></font></h3>

heavyhitter
03-30-2011, 09:50 AM
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<h3 class="headline"><a href="/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81efbc45/Saturday-vs-Liuget">Saturday vs.
Liuget</a></h3></div>[/list]</div>

heavyhitter
03-30-2011, 10:11 AM
<font color="#0033cc">Lamichael James vs Stanford "2010</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eUGRRAQ_k)</p>


</p><font size="3">This kid is exciting to watch. What did he have, something like 250 plus rushing yds this game. There's going to be a lot of good backs out there this year. James, Lattimore, Richardson, Dyer, Davis. I don't care what anybody tells you, SPEED matters.</font>

nycsportzfan
03-30-2011, 10:14 AM
The more and more i think about Perry Fewell.. I think a player hes gonna really want on our defense, is Greg Jones of Michigan St... Hes versatile, as he can play inside or out on the Weakside, hes a good sideline to sideline player, and obviously, can get to the passer, and behind the line, and also can drop into a zone and blanket a TE or RB on short routes... I have a feeling if Greg Jones is on the board in RD 2, and we still need a LB, we may draft him... We sometimes talk about players who remind us of giant type draft picks, and last yr, i said Chad Jones and Sean Lee reminded me of Giant Type picks, and this yr, i'd have to say Greg Jones, leads the way... He just reminds me of a guy the giants will love.. I'd be surprised if we don't bring him in for a visit... I could see the giants drafting Greg Jones and Mark Herzlich, to be totally honest....


I think he is a good player.

But, the Giants have always had a preference for size on defense. Jones' height may hurt him in Reeses eyes.
i dont think so... He weighs what, 240lbs? Fewell needs active players, and players that can be all over the place(in a good way), and john goff is a mlb that dosen't even weigh 240 lbs, and neither does michael boley for that matter... sure, hes not got the HT, but hes got more weight on em, then either boley or goff... I will be surprised if the Giants don't either bring in Greg Jones for a visit, or draft em all together, if hes on the board..

heavyhitter
03-30-2011, 10:20 AM
Donta Hightower vs Auburn</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyeXZTTcz8E</p><font size="3">Another stud ILB for Alabama. He tore his ACL, MCL, &amp; meniscus back in Sept. "09". They say it usually takes about 18 months to fully recover and come back 100%, so I think Hightower will come out strong this year. Both Upshaw and Hightower are 1st round talents IMO. </font>

Raptor22
03-30-2011, 10:54 AM
The more and more i think about Perry Fewell.. I think a player hes gonna really want on our defense, is Greg Jones of Michigan St... Hes versatile, as he can play inside or out on the Weakside, hes a good sideline to sideline player, and obviously, can get to the passer, and behind the line, and also can drop into a zone and blanket a TE or RB on short routes... I have a feeling if Greg Jones is on the board in RD 2, and we still need a LB, we may draft him... We sometimes talk about players who remind us of giant type draft picks, and last yr, i said Chad Jones and Sean Lee reminded me of Giant Type picks, and this yr, i'd have to say Greg Jones, leads the way... He just reminds me of a guy the giants will love.. I'd be surprised if we don't bring him in for a visit... I could see the giants drafting Greg Jones and Mark Herzlich, to be totally honest....


I think he is a good player.

But, the Giants have always had a preference for size on defense. Jones' height may hurt him in Reeses eyes.


It may, but its not like Boley is big either.

Honestly, I think Carter is the ideal JR pick, and is their prize in the 2nd. I do think they take at least 2 linebackers, and 2 O-linemen this draft... just like when WR and D-Line needed shoring up. I'm thinking Carter, Nate Irving (or Mark Herzlich), and Brian Rolle (in the 2nd, 3rd/4th, and 6th rounds respectively). All of them would fit Fewell's D, and they've got production and can contribute in multiple areas.

Redeyejedi
03-30-2011, 11:28 AM
<FONT color=#0033cc>Lamichael James vs Stanford "2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eUGRRAQ_k)</P>


</P>


<FONT size=3>This kid is exciting to watch. What did he have, something like 250 plus rushing yds this game. There's going to be a lot of good backs out there this year. James, Lattimore, Richardson, Dyer, Davis. I don't care what anybody tells you, SPEED matters.</FONT>
</P>


I really like Knile Davis. The guy is an outstanding back. I started watching the Arkansas vs Ohio State game last night. I was really just watching the Arkansas O vs the Ohio State D. Ryan Mallet must have really bad character because his game tape to me is really, really good. To me he has the best tape of all the QB's.People criticize Petrinos offense but its more NFL then Gabberts. Demarcus Love can be very effective if moved to guard. He gets to the second level in the run game at his size.Yes he has problems with speed rushers but there are still good things I see. Ross Homan looked solid and at worst will make a good Nickel backer. Im all over the place with these vids . Ive got a bunch a games half done. I keep getting distracted by other players I want to watch.</P>

nycsportzfan
03-30-2011, 02:16 PM
<font color="#0033cc">Lamichael James vs Stanford "2010</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eUGRRAQ_k)</p>


</p>


<font size="3">This kid is exciting to watch. What did he have, something like 250 plus rushing yds this game. There's going to be a lot of good backs out there this year. James, Lattimore, Richardson, Dyer, Davis. I don't care what anybody tells you, SPEED matters.</font>
</p>


I really like Knile Davis. The guy is an outstanding back. I started watching the Arkansas vs Ohio State game last night. I was really just watching the Arkansas O vs the Ohio State D. Ryan Mallet must have really bad character because his game tape to me is really, really good. To me he has the best tape of all the QB's.People criticize Petrinos offense but its more NFL then Gabberts. Demarcus Love can be very effective if moved to guard. He gets to the second level in the run game at his size.Yes he has problems with speed rushers but there are still good things I see. Ross Homan looked solid and at worst will make a good Nickel backer. Im all over the place with these vids . Ive got a bunch a games half done. I keep getting distracted by other players I want to watch.</p> I love Knile Davis! Also, Cyrus Gray is a back i really like... And, a back i think will climb by the time draft gets here, next season, is Cincys Isaiah Pead.... THis guys a complete back, who can handle a full workload, and has done it against top competiton... Very fast, and shifty, and improving in the pass catch game...

heavyhitter
03-30-2011, 09:41 PM
<h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Texas Pro Day report (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f00edb/Texas-Pro-Day-report)</font></h3>

Redeyejedi
03-30-2011, 09:52 PM
More Linebackers </P>


Shayne Skov vs VT</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amQU1TPoj1g</P>

nycsportzfan
03-31-2011, 02:27 AM
Stevies brother Malcolm ran a 4.51 at the combine and put up 28reps on the b.press... Not shabby... A guy who is worthy of a UDF type consideration or posssibly a 7th rder..

Redeyejedi
03-31-2011, 06:53 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Michael Floyd vs Stanford and Pitt</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyfcBD_fZjU) </DIV>

heavyhitter
04-01-2011, 06:00 PM
<h3 class="headline"><font size="4">Draft stock up/down (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81f0a1ee/Draft-stock-up-down)</font></h3>

Redeyejedi
04-01-2011, 07:49 PM
Greg Jones vs FAU</P>


<FONT color=#020f42>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaNkirLEW_g</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaNkirLEW_g)</P>

heavyhitter
04-01-2011, 07:53 PM
<font size="3">The Florida State Seminoles will dominate the ACC this year. That is all-</font>
<h3>2010 FSU Bowl Video Garnet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do68KGT6gCQ)</h3>

Redeyejedi
04-03-2011, 04:03 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Alshon Jeffery vs Auburn 2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbE2LNyPhfI) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Donte Paige Moss vs Tenn</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L63QHiPn52g</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Ryan Broyles vs Iowa State "Never seen so many screen passes in my life"</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__SAzcxzU80</DIV>

Redeyejedi
04-03-2011, 05:23 PM
The other Lewis from Oklahoma.</P>


Ronnel Lewis vs Nebraska</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liV5727zYNk</P>


</P>


Travis Lewis vs Iowa State</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46AtG_uWYjs</P>

nycsportzfan
04-04-2011, 09:41 AM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..

CGYgiant
04-04-2011, 09:44 AM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I dont think we brought in Kenny Phillips when we drafted him back in 08, i vaguely remember Reese saying they only bring in players that they have questions about

thegreatone
04-04-2011, 10:08 AM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I dont think we brought in Kenny Phillips when we drafted him back in 08, i vaguely remember Reese saying they only bring in players that they have questions about
jpp as well if i remember correct

Redeyejedi
04-04-2011, 11:05 AM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..
</P>


Its scaring me these Georgia linebackers bro. They are more of the same players that havent worked. I want guys that can play in space .I dont mind Dentbut not Justin Houston as a LB.The Giants arent beating the Eagles and Packers with guys that cant move there hips at OLB. Both teams are young and are going to be good year in year out. The Giants need to adjust there drafting to stop these teams. </P>


I do like the 2 Temple players though. Wilkerson has some upside. Kind of raw in his technique, plays a little to upright though.He is kind of tall and if he plays DT he is going to get beat up in the run game if he doesnt adjust. Jarrets a productive instinctual player but kind of undersized and Im actually surprised the Giants are intersted having the biggest group of safeties in the NFL. Everything Ive read about him as a player is postive though. Leader, hard worker , and a great teammate. Ive seen his range all over the place on draft sites. Ive seen anywhere from 3 - 6th round. I like him but unless its the 6th round I would pass there are better options</P>


</P>


I really think this pick is going to be Castonzo or Pouncey in the first. This is what i think the Giants Top 5 looks like</P>


1. Tyron Smith</P>


2. Anthony Castonzo</P>


3. Mike Pouncey</P>


4. Corey Liguet</P>


5. Muhammad Wilkerson</P>

nycsportzfan
04-04-2011, 11:33 AM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I dont think we brought in Kenny Phillips when we drafted him back in 08, i vaguely remember Reese saying they only bring in players that they have questions about
jpp as well if i remember correct
Couglin personally was at JPP's proday, and he visited the giants prior to the draft.. We should huge interest in JPP&gt;.

nycsportzfan
04-04-2011, 11:44 AM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I dont think we brought in Kenny Phillips when we drafted him back in 08, i vaguely remember Reese saying they only bring in players that they have questions about
ya, thats about as wrong, as can be.. We brought in JPP, Travis Beckum, Phillip Dillard, ramses barden, duke calhoun, adrian tracy, chad jones... Thats just off the top of my head, without doing any re-search...

nycsportzfan
04-04-2011, 12:02 PM
Been reading the Giants are High on AKeem Ayers... Obviously, i'm extremely excited to here this news, all though, it makes alot of sense to me, and i'm not surprised in the least bit...




Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Source-Tyron-Smith-changes-mind-will-attend-draft.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&amp;utm_medium=twitt er) is reporting that the Chiefs are among multiple teams that are very high on UCLA LB Akeem Ayers.</p>


Wilson reports that the Chiefs, along with the New York Jets,
Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots and New York Giants are all very
high on Ayers. Of those teams, only the Giants pick before the Chiefs.</p>


It is no surprise the Chiefs are interested in Ayers. He is an
incredible athlete with pass rushing ability that could put KCís young,
fast defense over the top.</p>


Wilson also reports that Ayers has 10 private visits scheduled with
various NFL teams. We donít have confirmation on this yet but it is
probably safe to assume that one of those visits will be with the
Chiefs. When we get word on that, we will be able to add Ayers to our Chiefs Draft Interest page. (http://arrowheadaddict.com/chiefs-draft-interests/)</p>

lawl
04-04-2011, 05:53 PM
What happened to slip? Banned?

Neverend
04-04-2011, 06:03 PM
Interesting they bought in Jaiquawn Jarret. If we're going to go safety I'm a huge fan of Deandre mcdaniel. Jarret seems like a solid prospect though, reading some scouting reports he sounds like a guy that doesnt have much flaws and is good at everything but not really dominant.

lawl
04-04-2011, 06:08 PM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..
</P>


Its scaring me these Georgia linebackers bro. They are more of the same players that havent worked. I want guys that can play in space . The Giants arent beating the Eagles and Packers with guys that cant move there hips at OLB. Both teams are young and are going to be good year in year out. The Giants need to adjust there drafting to stop these teams.</P>


I do like the 2 Temple players though. Wilkerson has some upside. Kind of raw in his technique, plays a little to upright though.He is kind of tall and if he plays DT he is going to get beat up in the run game if he doesnt adjust. Jarrets a productive instinctual player but kind of undersized and Im actually surprised the Giants are intersted having the biggest group of safeties in the NFL.** Everything Ive read about him as a player is postive though. Leader, hard worker , and a great teammate.* Ive seen his range all over the place on draft sites. Ive seen anywhere from 3 - 6th round. I like him but unless its the 6th round I would pass there are better options</P>


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I really think this pick is going to be Castonzo or Pouncey in the first. This is what i think the Giants Top 5 looks like</P>


1. Tyron Smith</P>


2. Anthony Castonzo</P>


3. Mike Pouncey</P>


4. Corey Liguet</P>


5. Muhammad Wilkerson</P>

Will be extremely disappointed if take pouncey at pick 19

Neverend
04-04-2011, 06:09 PM
What happened to slip? Banned?</P>


Not really sure, come to think of it haven't seen him post here in a long time</P>

BlueSanta
04-04-2011, 06:28 PM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I dont think we brought in Kenny Phillips when we drafted him back in 08, i vaguely remember Reese saying they only bring in players that they have questions about
ya, thats about as wrong, as can be.. We brought in JPP, Travis Beckum, Phillip Dillard, ramses barden, duke calhoun, adrian tracy, chad jones... Thats just off the top of my head, without doing any re-search...


I dont mean this as a slight to Reese or the Giants, instead I mean it more as a compliment to their "doing their homework" but, Reese have always paid very close and public attention to the players he likes. It was no secret how much we liked Nicks, his multiple visits with the Giants were no secret. It was widely known the Giants saw more value in JPP than in Derrick Morgan. Come draft day, even though most analysts had the 2 rated very evenly, everyone projected us to select JPP. In fact, its been a few years since I remember the TV analysts being shocked or even slightly surprised by our pick. They usually have a decent idea who we are after. It seemed everyone last year knew we liked Spiller, McClain, and JPP.

The Giants tendency is to find a guy they like and interview him to death to make sure he is the guy. In doing so, the media catches wind and rumors circulate about the guys we like.

Its still early to say at this point, and we have more needs than in past years which complicates thing, but I have seen the most interest from the coaches so far in Pouncey, Luiget, and Wilkerson as 1st rounders. Lots of time left to interview though, and who knows, maybe this will be the year we do get a lil' trickery going.

titwio
04-04-2011, 06:46 PM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I would be greatly disappointed if the Giants don't add some game breaking speed on O...

My biggest worries are secondary, LB's, and O-line...I feel the Giants are addressing those needs but they really need a versatile 3rd down back type of player who can return kicks as well....Would really make this team more dynamic...

Tawain, Murray, Jacquizz, Todman, Devine....As of right now the biggest burner is Manningham....They def need some speed...

Raptor22
04-04-2011, 07:35 PM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I would be greatly disappointed if the Giants don't add some game breaking speed on O...

My biggest worries are secondary, LB's, and O-line...I feel the Giants are addressing those needs but they really need a versatile 3rd down back type of player who can return kicks as well....Would really make this team more dynamic...

Tawain, Murray, Jacquizz, Todman, Devine....As of right now the biggest burner is Manningham....They def need some speed...

I really like Greg Little for that role. He doesn't have BLAZING speed, but at 230, and explosive legs, a 4.5 40 will do. He played as both wide receiver and running back for UNC, so odds are he'd be able to catch out of the backfield, and he's fearless going over the middle. He also returns kicks.

Redeyejedi
04-04-2011, 07:54 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Darren Evans vs UNC,FSU,Stanford</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwwXM8t1bEM) </DIV>

Redeyejedi
04-04-2011, 08:09 PM
UNC Pro Day Vid</P>


http://draftbreakdown.com/vforums/showthread.php?545-North-Carolina-Pro-Day-video</P>


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Bowers work out</P>


http://draftbreakdown.com/vforums/showthread.php?542-Da-Quan-Bowers-Pro-Day-workout</P>

nycsportzfan
04-04-2011, 09:05 PM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I dont think we brought in Kenny Phillips when we drafted him back in 08, i vaguely remember Reese saying they only bring in players that they have questions about
ya, thats about as wrong, as can be.. We brought in JPP, Travis Beckum, Phillip Dillard, ramses barden, duke calhoun, adrian tracy, chad jones... Thats just off the top of my head, without doing any re-search...


I dont mean this as a slight to Reese or the Giants, instead I mean it more as a compliment to their "doing their homework" but, Reese have always paid very close and public attention to the players he likes. It was no secret how much we liked Nicks, his multiple visits with the Giants were no secret. It was widely known the Giants saw more value in JPP than in Derrick Morgan. Come draft day, even though most analysts had the 2 rated very evenly, everyone projected us to select JPP. In fact, its been a few years since I remember the TV analysts being shocked or even slightly surprised by our pick. They usually have a decent idea who we are after. It seemed everyone last year knew we liked Spiller, McClain, and JPP.

The Giants tendency is to find a guy they like and interview him to death to make sure he is the guy. In doing so, the media catches wind and rumors circulate about the guys we like.

Its still early to say at this point, and we have more needs than in past years which complicates thing, but I have seen the most interest from the coaches so far in Pouncey, Luiget, and Wilkerson as 1st rounders. Lots of time left to interview though, and who knows, maybe this will be the year we do get a lil' trickery going.
exactly, santa... Last yr, Coughlin was 1of 3 H.coaches at JPP's proday, and then we had JPP in for a visit as well... And, i can't remember if we worked nicks out, or just attended his proday, but it was obvious we were very interested in him, as u said... THe past few yrs, we've totally brought in alot of guys, that ended up becoming giants.. We shall see this yr....

We also had Brandon Fusco, in or coming in for a visit....

nycsportzfan
04-04-2011, 09:07 PM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..
I got another player to add to the list... Giants are also bringing in Brandon Fusco of Slippery Rock, who again, has versatility, as a C/G prospect... Great Sized kid, whos stock is ever rising....

Neverend
04-05-2011, 02:43 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14900270/interest-growing-in-washington-linebacker-foster</P>


I certainly hope the giants are one of those teams high on Mason Foster. I love this guy, like the article says, he's always around the ball. Those type of players are special, players who are "ball magnets" with great instincts having the knack for making the big play. Foster's stock could be rising to the 2nd round seeing how most mocks have him in the 3rd round range from what I usually see</P>

nycsportzfan
04-05-2011, 08:06 AM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14900270/interest-growing-in-washington-linebacker-foster</p>


I certainly hope the giants are one of those teams high on Mason Foster. I love this guy, like the article says, he's always around the ball. Those type of players are special, players who are "ball magnets" with great instincts having the knack for making the big play. Foster's stock could be rising to the 2nd round seeing how most mocks have him in the 3rd round range from what I usually see</p> I've thought he was a 2nd rder for, pretty much ever, now.. Just got done telling the dude, who put his mock on here the other day, that very thing.. Mason Foster is always around the ball, and has real good 4/3 size, and really reminds me of James Anderson of Carolina Panthers, who is a FA right now, and a guy, i wanted the giants to look at... I love Foster as well, and i'm hoping we get either Foster or G.Jones, to head our LB picks(i want 2lbs), this draft, if we don't snag one in RD 1... The buzz was very high on Foster around here, a few months ago, and died down alot, and i wondered why.. But, the guys certainly one of the best 4/3 OLB's in the draft..

Redeyejedi
04-05-2011, 08:13 AM
What happened to slip? Banned?</P>


Not really sure, come to think of it haven't seen him post here in a long time</P>


</P>


I think he said he was moving to Florida</P>

Redeyejedi
04-05-2011, 09:40 AM
Im kind of getting burned out on the 2011 guys. Ive been talking 2011 draft since April 2010. I think its because they always feature the same 40 guys over and over im just tired of it. So in response to that here is my favorite back from the 2012 Draft Arkansas's Knile Davis</P>


</P>


Knile Davis vs Ohio State</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFs5MTHP6PY</P>


</P>


Ive got a Ross Homan vid done as well just havent highlighted the player in the Vid yet. I started that Egnew vid Sportzfan i will get it done eventually. I just want to combine his games instead of making separate ones. WR/TE vids dont have a lot of plays to show.Ive wanted to make a Kyle Rudolph vid but there just isnt enough there. I could probably put together something on Kendricks. I wish I had the Wisconsin vs ASU game tape I would kill for that one. Next year Im going to be all over Vontaze Burfict games.</P>

nycsportzfan
04-05-2011, 10:21 AM
What happened to slip? Banned?</p>


Not really sure, come to think of it haven't seen him post here in a long time</p>


</p>


I think he said he was moving to Florida</p> He'll be back in full force, eventually.. Its the offseason, and some of us, bounce for chunks of time... I think your right, he moved, but i'd be utterly shocked, if he isn't back in full force, sooner, then later...

Neverend
04-05-2011, 12:44 PM
Really looking forward to that Ross Homan video redeye, he's very underrated

Redeyejedi
04-05-2011, 01:31 PM
<SPAN class="" id=eow-title dir=ltr title="Ross Homan vs Arkansas">Ross Homan vs Arkansas</SPAN></P>


<SPAN class="" dir=ltr title="Ross Homan vs Arkansas">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cBnzOcJgN4</SPAN></P>


<SPAN class="" dir=ltr title="Ross Homan vs Arkansas"></SPAN></P>


<SPAN class="" dir=ltr title="Ross Homan vs Arkansas">Not much of a highlight video but it shows strengths and weaknesses for the most part. He plays the pass real well. Might be an effective Nickel Corner early in his career</SPAN></P>

Redeyejedi
04-05-2011, 02:49 PM
With all the talk of the Georgia players im going to have to go back and make a Dent and Houston vid.

thegreatone
04-05-2011, 02:50 PM
Just a list of pre draft visits the giants are going with, so far....


Mike Pouncey G/C FLA
Justin Houston OLB/DE GA
Akeem Dent OLB GA
Jaiquawn Jarret S Temple
Muhhamed Wilkerson DT Temple


Looks like heavy emphisis on defense, so far... ALot of other names should be surfacing soon, as the draft approaches..


I dont think we brought in Kenny Phillips when we drafted him back in 08, i vaguely remember Reese saying they only bring in players that they have questions about
jpp as well if i remember correct
Couglin personally was at JPP's proday, and he visited the giants prior to the draft.. We should huge interest in JPP&gt;.
i remembered incorrectly lol. well then pay close attention of the invites

Redeyejedi
04-05-2011, 03:01 PM
Anyone got any thoughts on Tori Gurley from South Carolina. During the season he looked like a tight end playing receiver. He was 6' 4" 233. At the pro day he was down to 216. I thought he would of made a real good TE in time. He has long arms 35" and blocks real well and doesnt drop anything. I guess he is going to try to make it as a receiver, thoughts

Raptor22
04-05-2011, 03:43 PM
Anyone got any thoughts on Tori Gurley from South Carolina. During the season he looked like a tight end playing receiver. He was 6' 4" 233. At the pro day he was down to 216. I thought he would of made a real good TE in time. He has long arms 35" and blocks real well and doesnt drop anything. I guess he is going to try to make it as a receiver, thoughts

Nothing wrong with a big WR that can throw a solid block downfield...
that's where most great runs come from anyway. Those are some stupidly
long arms... I wonder if he has to wear armored gloves to keep from
skinning his knuckles when he's walking down the street?

(seriously, his arms are as long as Solder's)



Not to harp on this, but he reminds me of Greg Little from UNC. Both big (BIG), raw receivers, with deceptive speed and reliable hands. Little may be a more explosive athlete, but It looks like Gurley is a better blocker.


I wouldn't be surprised if he's on Reese's radar. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Baltimore, Atlanta, or even The Jets pick him up.

Redeyejedi
04-05-2011, 05:46 PM
<FONT color=#0033cc>Lamichael James vs Stanford "2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eUGRRAQ_k)</P>


</P><FONT size=3>This kid is exciting to watch. What did he have, something like 250 plus rushing yds this game. There's going to be a lot of good backs out there this year. James, Lattimore, Richardson, Dyer, Davis. I don't care what anybody tells you, SPEED matters.</FONT>
To think Lattimore and Dyer were just freshman . Lattimore is one of the few players Ive seen that I think could of went from High School to the NFL. RB is really the only position I could see it being possible

titwio
04-05-2011, 05:49 PM
<FONT color=#0033cc>Lamichael James vs Stanford "2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eUGRRAQ_k)</P>


*</P><FONT size=3>This kid is exciting to watch. What did he have, something like 250 plus rushing yds this game. There's going to be a lot of good backs out there this year. James, Lattimore, Richardson, Dyer, Davis. I don't care what anybody tells you, SPEED matters.</FONT>
To think Lattimore and Dyer were just freshman . Lattimore is one of the few players Ive seen that I think could of went from High School to the NFL. RB is really the only position I could see it being possible

Lattimore is a beast...There are a lot of good up and coming backs...

I'm looking forward to Dillon Baxter getting a bigger work load...

Redeyejedi
04-05-2011, 08:34 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Justin Houston vs South Carolina</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKQjr2YI-iU) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>Here is a one ive had scribed for awhile and just never made the vid.</DIV>
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Akeem Dent vs SC</P>


</P>


<FONT color=#020f42>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAghyQ3m13Y</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAghyQ3m13Y)</P>


<FONT color=#020f42></FONT></P>


Linebacker Akeem Dent wore No. 31, rather than his regular No. 51 in this game. A different UGA player wore No. 31 each game this season in honor of safety Quintin Banks, who was forced to forgo his senior season because of recurring knee injuries.
</P></DIV>

lawl
04-06-2011, 12:14 AM
<FONT color=#0033cc>Lamichael James vs Stanford "2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4eUGRRAQ_k)</P>


*</P><FONT size=3>This kid is exciting to watch. What did he have, something like 250 plus rushing yds this game. There's going to be a lot of good backs out there this year. James, Lattimore, Richardson, Dyer, Davis. I don't care what anybody tells you, SPEED matters.</FONT>
To think Lattimore and Dyer were just freshman . Lattimore is one of the few players Ive seen that I think could of went from High School to the NFL. RB is really the only position I could see it being possible yea I remember Marshall Faulk saying the same thing about Adrian Peterson

nycsportzfan
04-06-2011, 07:50 AM
Heres a Quote from Akeem Ayers after his latest visit with the Detroit Lions, who are showing tons of interst in the UCLA lb, and so are tons of other teams... I sure hope the Giants get this guy, and i'm glad were interested...




"Iíve pretty much been a sound 4-3 linebacker at UCLA and really started
rushing the passer at the end of my sophomore season and my junior
year. I bring a lot of versatility. I give the coaches a lot of
different options, different ways to use me and just ways to make the
defense better whether itís keeping a linebacker on the field, instead
of bringing a nickel (package) in, it basically gives the coaches a lot
more options and a lot of hard play."

nycsportzfan
04-06-2011, 07:51 AM
Anyone got any thoughts on Tori Gurley from South Carolina. During the season he looked like a tight end playing receiver. He was 6' 4" 233. At the pro day he was down to 216. I thought he would of made a real good TE in time. He has long arms 35" and blocks real well and doesnt drop anything. I guess he is going to try to make it as a receiver, thoughts I think Tori's a nice later rd pick, and can help in the redzone, and maybe become a Legadue Nanee type reciever for someone...

Redeyejedi
04-07-2011, 01:10 AM
This is a guy that I think is going to have a huge Junior year. He had 39 tackles and 8 sacks as a sophomore. He is very gifted physically at 6-7 249 pounds and a 81 " Wingspan. He kind of resembles JPP in a way. He is a little raw but all the tools are there</P>


<SPAN class="" id=eow-title dir=ltr title="Devin Taylor vs Alabama and Georgia">Devin Taylor vs Alabama and Georgia </SPAN></P>


<SPAN class="" dir=ltr title="Devin Taylor vs Alabama and Georgia">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ8pfhJQ4lM</SPAN></P>

Redeyejedi
04-07-2011, 01:24 AM
Anyone got any thoughts on Tori Gurley from South Carolina. During the season he looked like a tight end playing receiver. He was 6' 4" 233. At the pro day he was down to 216. I thought he would of made a real good TE in time. He has long arms 35" and blocks real well and doesnt drop anything. I guess he is going to try to make it as a receiver, thoughts I think Tori's a nice later rd pick, and can help in the redzone, and maybe become a Legadue Nanee type reciever for someone...
Dont know why he lost the weight I think he should of put on more. I think he could be a better TE then he is receiver

Redeyejedi
04-07-2011, 10:01 AM
I found this in a Walter Football Forum from a poster named</P>


Descendency (http://www.walterfootball.com/forum/member.php?9454-Descendency) </P>
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<DIV class=bbcode_quote_container><FONT color=#417394></FONT></DIV>By now I'm sure all of you know that I'm a numbers person.

A thread in the draft forum prompted me to go back over my #'s, update them, redo some of them, and adjust the sorting. So here it is, my numerical analysis of the OLB's in the draft.

I added them all to my database. My database is simple yet complex. It uses all of the basic combine measurements and a few simple formulas to analyze those numbers. My database encompasses every 3-4 OLB drafted in the last 5 drafts, plus notable UDFA's. I try to be as complete as possible. Some players are missing, (notably Elvis Dumervil), unfortunately those players do not have useful numbers available.

All the players are rated via a simple rating system. Overcomplicating the rating is a waste of time. Here is the key:

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/Waldo56/Key.jpg

Obviously I had to choose a starter for some teams. I didn't bother to make "he's a backup but should be starting" or "he's starting but he sucks" assumptions. But I did have to assume the starter for some teams. The 2010 guys in red are obviously not injury busts, but they couldn't be evaluated because of injury, so they get lumped into that group.

A couple other minor matters, gray text are assumed values. Dark violet text is pro day data. All other data is combine data (I used combine data wherever possible).

The basic methodology is to sort the players into various groups, to concentrate the good ones. After adding another draft and more prospects, I got to thinking that the way I had it was a bit too complex, and wasn't necessarily telling me the right things, nor was it portraying things as I think they should.

Therefore I've gone through and questioned all of my assumptions, and redone the sorting. Why I try to capture, what the numbers are saying, is the degree of risk invovled with each player, as the numbers see it.

Formulas used:
Mass = weight/height
Explosive Power = (vert+3.5*broad)*(weight/height)/3000
Speed 10 = 100*(1-(10 Split/(0.0114*(weight/height)+1.1785)))
Speed 40 = 100*(1-(40 time/(0.0397*(weight/height)+3.092)))
Speed Avg = (Speed 10 + Speed 40)/2
Agility = 100*(1-(3 Cone/(0.0573*(weight/height)+4.8403)))
Twitch = Shuttle - 2*10 yd split - (1.60 - 10 yd split)

Explosive power is a general measure of the amount of force the player can generate coming out of their stance.

The 10, 40, and agility measures come from graphing the drill vs. mass for all players, and finding the equation of best fit linear trendline of the data. It is a grade vs. the average of the drill for a given player mass.

Twitch something that I came up with similar to the fairly well known 40 time minus the shuttle time, that uses a 10 yd split instead of the 40. Since it is a 20 yd vs. 20 yd comparison, guys that can change directions fast will have a lower number, and they will appear sudden on tape. The bit at the end is a modifier that rewards fast guys and penalizes slow guys as it is meant to approximate how sudden a player looks with their movements. Lower is better.

<U>High Risk:</U>
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/Waldo56/OLBBad.jpg

First things first, I went and filtered off every player that scored higher than a 1.05 in the explosive power formula. Those players don't seem to be affected by doing well or poor in other drills. Probably an incorrect assmuption, but lacking a test case of a guy that does terrible otherwise, it will have to stick for now.

Other than that, I sorted guys by the twitch measure, the first group here are guys that scored 1.20 or worse in the twitch formula. It is sorted by draft position. This is a very high risk group, draft with extreme caution. Wimbley is the only one to amount to anything thus far (even though he isn't' with the team that drafted him any longer), but overall he is probably the best across the board in this group workout-wise.

One thing to note about Wimbley, guys that run a 3 cone under 7 typically will have a scouting report that reads that they have an outside speed rush in their arsenal. The drill isn't all that bad at approximating the movements required for the rush. While that is but a facet of OLB play, it is one, and can go a long way to explaining why Wimbley is the lone bright spot pretty much in this group (Ayers is a yellow too, but aside from technically being a starter, he hasn't shown much).

<U>Moderate Risk:</U>
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/Waldo56/OLBOK.jpg

These guys all measured between 1.10 and 1.19 in the twitch formula. The group is sorted by draft position. There area only a limited number of sub-7.0 3 cone guys, so I didn't split them out.

Success has gone up markedly here over the last group, however noone in this group is beating down Canton's door. Players in this group seem to have a very definite ceiling, and though they make make good complimentary players, you probably are not looking at a pass rusher to be feared.

Still, players are worth a draft pick. Like I said, moderate risk, no notable busts, however keep your expectations in check with these guys if you want to be happy. Solid has to be good enough.

<U>Mid-Low Risk:</U>
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/Waldo56/OLBGood.jpg

You can see a trend developing. These are all the guys that scored under a 1.10 in the twitch formula, however that also ran slower than a 7.0 3 cone. Again sorted by draft position. Babin will forever be considered a bust by the team that drafted him, however he did record double digit sacks and go to the pro bowl this year as a DE. Laboy has always been pretty good at getting to the QB. He's just always banged up. Mid round guys are defeintely worth taking a flier on.

One thing that holds true for this group, of the ones that got it going, it took them all a while to do so. None of them really did much early in their careers.

<U>Low Risk 1:</U>
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/Waldo56/OLBGreat.jpg

This is the other half of the last group, all the guys that both had a score of less than 1.10 in the twitch formula, and had a 3 cone time of under 7.0. Again sorted by draft position.

One thing to take note of is how most of the lesser players are slow. Show up in this group and a guy has a good chance of working out for you. Draft players in this group with confidence.

<U>Low Risk 2:</U>
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww269/Waldo56/OLBExp.jpg

Every player that scored above a 1.05 in the power formula.

Sort of unbeleivable, isn't it. Maybe Anderson and Barwin will buck the trend and struggle. Maybe Moch will bust.

Draft with confidence in this group. </DIV></DIV></DIV>Something to look at when looking at "Low Risk 1" is that the only "busts" are late round picks or UDFAs. </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV>

nycsportzfan
04-07-2011, 12:49 PM
Seeing alot of people are starting to jump on Mikel Leshoure being a first rd pick, and possibly going before Mark Ingram... I wrote this months ago, stating, a Ryan matthews like asenscion in the first rd, and possibly being first back off the board, and i mentioned it often...

I feel realy good, that prediction is gonna come true, and even though, he might not go before Ingram, will defeinetly go in RD 1... We shall see, but people are starting to jump on that...

Redeyejedi
04-07-2011, 12:56 PM
Seeing alot of people are starting to jump on Mikel Leshoure being a first rd pick, and possibly going before Mark Ingram... I wrote this months ago, stating, a Ryan matthews like asenscion in the first rd, and possibly being first back off the board, and i mentioned it often...

I feel realy good, that prediction is gonna come true, and even though, he might not go before Ingram, will defeinetly go in RD 1... We shall see, but people are starting to jump on that...
Have a hard time seeing him go at 12 but yeah I would feel comfortable with taking Leshoure ahead of Ingram

titwio
04-07-2011, 05:28 PM
I haven't seen any1 discuss this yet but...with the Cowboys looking most likely looking OL in the first....What if Prince slides down to 19....

Does any1 think the he will be the pick at 19....I have a feeling there may def be some good BPA's available...

But If Prince is there will Giants take him....?

nycsportzfan
04-07-2011, 06:03 PM
Seeing alot of people are starting to jump on Mikel Leshoure being a first rd pick, and possibly going before Mark Ingram... I wrote this months ago, stating, a Ryan matthews like asenscion in the first rd, and possibly being first back off the board, and i mentioned it often...

I feel realy good, that prediction is gonna come true, and even though, he might not go before Ingram, will defeinetly go in RD 1... We shall see, but people are starting to jump on that...
Have a hard time seeing him go at 12 but yeah I would feel comfortable with taking Leshoure ahead of Ingram well yeah, obviously, i didn't mean down to the exact pick, i just meant, similar circumstance, where a player climbed at draft time, and went from what everyone thought was a Late 1st/Early 2nd rd projection, to a mid 1st rd pick...

nevada11
04-07-2011, 08:55 PM
nycsportzfan, how do you "know" the giants are interested in akeem ayers?

Redeyejedi
04-07-2011, 09:12 PM
nycsportzfan, how do you "know" the giants are interested in akeem ayers?</P>


www.nationalfootballpost.com/Akeem-Ayers-visits-the-Lions-Eagles-up-next.html (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Akeem-Ayers-visits-the-Lions-Eagles-up-next.html)</P>


</P>


<SPAN class="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0">teams are extremely high on Ayers, including the Baltimore Ravens, New York Giants,</SPAN> New England Patriots, New York Jets and the Kansas City Chiefs.</P>


</P>


</P>

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 12:04 AM
2012 WR Prospect Jeff Fuller vs Patrick Peterson </P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXJ4FcW8Nug</P>

nycsportzfan
04-08-2011, 02:02 AM
A great Writeup by Greg Gabriel, who has 29yrs of scouting to his credit, most noteably, 16yrs with our New York Giants, working closely with George Young, Dan Reeves, Parcells, and Accorsi... I last mocked Gabe Carimi to us, and i seen Slip seems to think Carimis looked at as a faller in the draft.. I totally dissgree, and think like Kiper, hes at worst, going to be a Eagle, which i hope dosen't happen.... This guys one heck of a player, and i think he might just surprise and be a LT in the NFL, but overall, hes just gonna be a Stalwart for wherever he ends up on someones Oline, RT or LT.... I like how Gabriel brings up his Athletiscim, a part of Carimi's game, i think gets overlooked, because of his lucnh pail persona, and straight nastiness and incredible run blocking ability.. But, trust me, this guy can move the hips, and is no slouch in the pass game, just ask Scott Tolzien...





Gabe Carimi</p>
<p class="co_image co_image_right inline_right">
http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/Carimi.jpg<span>ICON</span>Gabe Carimi was a four-year starter at left tackle for the Badgers.</p>



Carimi might not be the be the most athletic tackle in this draft but
when itís all said and done he may be the best overall tackle. Gabe is a
5th year senior. He redshirted his freshman year but then became a
four-year starter at left tackle, starting a total of 49 games.</p>



One thing that helps Carimi is that he has played in a pro-style
offense his whole career. He plays mostly from a 3-point stance but at
times will play from a 2-point. He has a comfortable stance with his
feet flat and his butt low. He has very good snap reaction and initial
quickness. As a run blocker he gets into his block quickly and shows
explosive snap on contact. He has a natural hip roll and he is always
driving his feet. He is very physical and aggressive as a run blocker
and consistently looks to finish. He has the athleticism to play in
space and make blocks at the second level. He does a good job adjusting
to movement and always takes good angles.</p>



In pass protection he is able to set quickly and is efficient cutting
off wide speed. He has a strong punch and is consistent with keeping his
hands inside. Carimi has good natural bend and is excellent when taking
on bull rushers. He shows good mirror ability versus counter moves with
his quick feet and ability to redirect. He has very good awareness and
patience and wonít get fooled when his opponents try different blitzes.</p>



Overall, there are some tackles in this draft that have a little better
athleticism and may pass protect a little better but no one has the
combination of run blocking, pass protection and nastiness as Carimi.
Tyron Smith is the most talented tackle in this class but in my view
Carimi is next. I love his game day demeanor and his overall focus. This
player is going to be a very steady NFL tackle and play for a long
time.</p>

nycsportzfan
04-08-2011, 02:11 AM
A pretty cool interview with Wes Bunting... A solid read..... Check it out redeye...









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<h1>Wes Bunting Interviews with NFLmocks</h1>
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Wes Bunting it the main draft guru at National Football Post and one
of my personal favorite draft analysts even though heís newer on the
scene. Buntingís big board has some controversy a little bit every year,
but Bunting writes what he sees andbelieves. I remember last year that
he had Maurkice Pouncey as #4 on his big board, which looks brilliant
right now. Heís also not afriad to admit when he makes mistakes like he
did here. (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Learning-from-my-mistakes-as-a-talent-evaluator.html)Which
is something we will do here. Weíll never delete our old big boards or
evaluations as long as Iím editor here, for better or worse each year
moving forward thereíll be a tab for all of our old draft stuff.</p>


Bunting also has a True big board. His players are graded on a point
system and ranked based on that point system, it is not a big board of
where players will or should go in the draft. Just where they relate to
their predicted impact in the N.F.L. by Bunting, not according to
positional value.</p>


This year some of the prospects he has higher than most people are:
Julio Jones at #3, Aldon Smith at 8, Watkins at 13, B. Harris at 15 (100
percent on board with this one), Wisniewski at 21 (ahead of Pouncey,
again 100 percent on this one), and Christian Ponder at 39th overall
(and his top rated QB). And then the full back class as well with three
of them in the top 30 (again not positional value, just overall
talent).</p>


Wes took some time out of his hectic schedule to interview over the phone with me and below is what he had to say.</p>


Howíd you get into scouting and the National Football Post?</p>


Itís something Iíve always wanted to do and I was going through
college and figuring out exactly if I wanted to be a media guy or a NFL
scout and I was interning everywhere under the sun and my senior year.
My senior year I was a big fan of Michael Lombardi. I contacted him and
sent him my resume, he contacted me out of the blue one day and said do
you want to work for me and I said I would love to. I worked a whole
bunch of hours with him 2008 football season writing up scouting repots
for him and then I did the draft for him and they drafted me right after
college.</p>


My senior year I went down to a couple of training camps trying
to figure out what I wanted to do and I realized I didnít want to be an
NFL scout I kind of like doing the media thing a little bit more. And
just committed to that 100 percent.</p>


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Whatís your evaluation process?</p>


Starts in the summer with a whole big box of tape and everyday I
just climb through one tape one team from each conference and I try to
put about 1500 hours worth of tape for each major conference and then
during the year Iím evaluating the smaller schools as well as going back
and watching and writing up the major conferences and then once the
year is over I go to all of the All-star games and watch them there. Do
the combine circuit collect the information there. Talk to as many
people as I can scouts and people close to the program toget a feel for
character issues. Thatís kind of how I got about it.</p>


What are you hearing about trades in the top 10 to 12 picks with all the QB needy teams at the top of the draft?</p>


I havení t heard a ton about trades to be honest. With not being
able to trade players and the uncertainty of future picks I feel trades
are going to be kind of small to be honest. You know teams only have
7,8, or 9 picks and I think thatís how many theyíre going to try and
bring in. You canít sign free agents after the draft either, so I think
trades are going to be down overall.</p>


Do you think teams will focus on more needs of this draft because of the CBA?</p>


I think it will be a more needs based trades overall, but youíre
asking the wrong guy if you mention the three letters C.B.A to me to be
honest. I wish I could give you a real answer, but weíve never gone
through it before. I think itíll be a little more needs based, but
overall. But the Patriots are going to go need based, the ravens arenít
going to go need base, the Steelers arenít going to go need based.
Theyíre going to draft the best player they feel is on the board.</p>


Two of the players I love in the draft that are going to fall
down the draft are Mark Ingram and Brandon Harris what do you see from
them and where do you think they might end up?</p>


You know I really like Mark Ingram I think heís a better prospect
than Ryan Matthews was last year who went 11th overall. He doesnít run
fast in a straight line which will make him fall a little bit, but heís
natural, he runs hard, heís got a good pad level good short area
quickness a good feel good short area quickness can accelerate in tight
areas. I donít know how long his NFL career is going to be because the
runs so hard he can get beat up quickly. I think youíre looking at a
good 5 6 years, but thatís pretty much all you can ask for from a
running back. I didnít have him going in my first round in my last mock
but I think without a doubt heís a first round talent. I have him as a
top 10 prospect, itís just tough to find a home for him in the first
round. I think one of those teams will come up and get him in the early
2nd round.</p>


Brandon Harris is a guy I really like. Heís my #2 corner right
now. Heís more technically sounds. Has good versatility can play the
nickel. Heís more of an off zone guy, heís got a strong looking lower
half. All in all I think heís an off the zone guy but could play
outside.</p>


I like Harris a lot.</p>


Yeah Heís a good player</p>


What do you like about Ponder?</p>


Ponder heís just a guy that gets it. He has enough of the
physical attributes, heís battled tested. Gets the ball out on time. I
donít know if heís going to be a first round pick, and frankly I donít
care heís a guy Iíd go to bat for on draft day and the one QB I would
trust the most.</p>


Newtonís a tough guy. Really physically talented, skyís the
limit, on the field heís got a bit of a presence to him. Really a wild
card. A boom or bust pick and right now I donít have enough conviction
in him that heíll be a good NFL Player. I mean his physical attributes,
good make him a good enough quarterback early on in his career like
Vince Young was, but the league got onto Vince young and I think the
same thing could happen to Newton. If he doesnít clean himself up a bit
off the field.</p>


Is this the best fullback class youíve ever scouted?</p>


Yeah. It really is. Maecric can be a starter, Anthony Sherman
can, Travis can. Hynoski can. Stanley Havili could be a single back on a
a lot of teams. heís that kind of west coast style full back, decent
enough blocker who can run. I like that kid from South Carolina as well
as too. Heís a nasty blocker in the pass game. I think thereís a lot of
guys who deserve to be draft. I think Marcic,, Hynsoki will be the first
ones drafted. John Conner went 5th round, I think they could go a
smidge higher. Iíd say 4th and 5th round Hynoski and Merecic come off
the board and maybe later Sherman</p>


Is the Safety class really that bad? I kind of like Jarret and Rahim Moore.</p>


Yeah I like Rahim Moore, but I had six safeties rated higher than
him last year. I think Rahim Moore is a 3rd round guy could start for
you year one and two. Doesnít tackle real well, doesnít run real fast,
but he plays faster [than his underwear Olympics speed].
Thereís not a ton of wasted motion. Instinctive has good ball skills
too. I think he can be a starter, I just donít think heís a dynamic
center fielder.</p>


I think Jarret is a potential starter. He can play teams. He can
play nickel situations, but coming from Temple heís not quite as sound
as I thought he was, and heís a little smaller than I thought he was. I
think he gives you a chance to be a starter in the N.F.L and can play
special teams and thatísí pretty good for a guy youíre probably going to
take in the 5th round.</p>


Is there a G.M. you trust enough, to not question the pick, even if you didnít think youíd like the pick before the draft?</p>


Well obviously Belichick picks a guy youíre going to feel pretty
good about that. Bill Polian, and Ozzie Newsome and Colbert from the
Steelers, they do it as well as anyone. To win consistently. Overall prospects that I like, itís all about the scheme they get into. For
instance, I like Aldon Smith this year, but I donít know if heís a
great fit as a 34 guy I like him more as a 43 guy. So a lot of these
players itís based on the schemes they get into and whether or not
theyíll be successful.</p>


Whatís the best group of players, what position I mean, for mid round value. </p>


Running back has a really nice deep group of guys. Roy Helu Jr.
Jamie Harper, Shane Vereen. I think they could all be really solid mid
round picks. The kid from Bradford from USC could be a really nice late
round guy.</p>


I think receivers has a nice group of players as well, a lot of
these seniors feel because of the juniors that came out. Niles Paul,
Austin Pettis. I think theyíll be really solid mid-round picks. Do i
like any other positions for mid round value? No, those two are the
deepest mid to late round to get some quality at. So if youhave a need
at one of these two spots like the Redskins thereís no need to press for
it in first or second round.</p>


Have you gotten any sort of feel for players who could go much, much higher than the casual draft follower expects on draft day?</p>


Brook Reedís a guy thatís been talked about late first. I donít
think heís worth it to be honest, but heís a guy who could go pretty
high. </p>


Phil Taylor is a guy that seems like heís getting a lot of pub. Same with Kendrick Ellis.Character guy, talented (Referring to Taylor, I believe, not 1oo percent sure, so donít quote me quoting Wes on the reason). I wouldnít be surprised if he got a sniff of the late first round.</p>


Jabaal Sheard is a guy I think could have a shot at going late
first round. Talented pass rusher, heís been kind of overlooked in this
defensive line class. A 3-4 team that doesnít ask him to cover a lot,
just get after the passer would be a good fit. Packers at 32 I think
thatíd be a good spot there. </p>


Iíd like to thank Wes for taking the time to give us an interview and
hopefully weíll be able to do it again sometime after the draft to get
his thoughts on how the draft turned out.</p>

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 09:35 AM
A pretty cool interview with Wes Bunting... A solid read..... Check it out redeye...



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<H1>Wes Bunting Interviews with NFLmocks</H1>
<P class=meta>AUTHOR: Jesse Bartolis (http://nflmocks.com/author/jessebartolis/) | IN: NFL Draft (http://nflmocks.com/category/uncategorized/) | COMMENTS: None Yet (http://nflmocks.com/2011/04/06/wes-bunting-interviews-with-nflmocks/#respond) | </P></DIV>
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<P class=wp-caption-text>Wes: "He's the one QB I'd go to bat for on draft day"</P></DIV>


Wes Bunting it the main draft guru at National Football Post and one of my personal favorite draft analysts even though heís newer on the scene. Buntingís big board has some controversy a little bit every year, but Bunting writes what he sees andbelieves. I remember last year that he had Maurkice Pouncey as #4 on his big board, which looks brilliant right now. Heís also not afriad to admit when he makes mistakes like he did here. (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Learning-from-my-mistakes-as-a-talent-evaluator.html)Which is something we will do here. Weíll never delete our old big boards or evaluations as long as Iím editor here, for better or worse each year moving forward thereíll be a tab for all of our old draft stuff.</P>


Bunting also has a True big board. His players are graded on a point system and ranked based on that point system, it is not a big board of where players will or should go in the draft. Just where they relate to their predicted impact in the N.F.L. by Bunting, not according to positional value.</P>


This year some of the prospects he has higher than most people are: Julio Jones at #3, Aldon Smith at 8, Watkins at 13, B. Harris at 15 (100 percent on board with this one), Wisniewski at 21 (ahead of Pouncey, again 100 percent on this one), and Christian Ponder at 39th overall (and his top rated QB). And then the full back class as well with three of them in the top 30 (again not positional value, just overall talent).</P>


Wes took some time out of his hectic schedule to interview over the phone with me and below is what he had to say.</P>


Howíd you get into scouting and the National Football Post?</P>


Itís something Iíve always wanted to do and I was going through college and figuring out exactly if I wanted to be a media guy or a NFL scout and I was interning everywhere under the sun and my senior year. My senior year I was a big fan of Michael Lombardi. I contacted him and sent him my resume, he contacted me out of the blue one day and said do you want to work for me and I said I would love to. I worked a whole bunch of hours with him 2008 football season writing up scouting repots for him and then I did the draft for him and they drafted me right after college.</P>


My senior year I went down to a couple of training camps trying to figure out what I wanted to do and I realized I didnít want to be an NFL scout I kind of like doing the media thing a little bit more. And just committed to that 100 percent.</P>


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Whatís your evaluation process?</P>


Starts in the summer with a whole big box of tape and everyday I just climb through one tape one team from each conference and I try to put about 1500 hours worth of tape for each major conference and then during the year Iím evaluating the smaller schools as well as going back and watching and writing up the major conferences and then once the year is over I go to all of the All-star games and watch them there. Do the combine circuit collect the information there. Talk to as many people as I can scouts and people close to the program toget a feel for character issues. Thatís kind of how I got about it.</P>


What are you hearing about trades in the top 10 to 12 picks with all the QB needy teams at the top of the draft?</P>


I havení t heard a ton about trades to be honest. With not being able to trade players and the uncertainty of future picks I feel trades are going to be kind of small to be honest. You know teams only have 7,8, or 9 picks and I think thatís how many theyíre going to try and bring in. You canít sign free agents after the draft either, so I think trades are going to be down overall.</P>


Do you think teams will focus on more needs of this draft because of the CBA?</P>


I think it will be a more needs based trades overall, but youíre asking the wrong guy if you mention the three letters C.B.A to me to be honest. I wish I could give you a real answer, but weíve never gone through it before. I think itíll be a little more needs based, but overall. But the Patriots are going to go need based, the ravens arenít going to go need base, the Steelers arenít going to go need based. Theyíre going to draft the best player they feel is on the board.</P>


Two of the players I love in the draft that are going to fall down the draft are Mark Ingram and Brandon Harris what do you see from them and where do you think they might end up?</P>


You know I really like Mark Ingram I think heís a better prospect than Ryan Matthews was last year who went 11th overall. He doesnít run fast in a straight line which will make him fall a little bit, but heís natural, he runs hard, heís got a good pad level good short area quickness a good feel good short area quickness can accelerate in tight areas. I donít know how long his NFL career is going to be because the runs so hard he can get beat up quickly. I think youíre looking at a good 5 6 years, but thatís pretty much all you can ask for from a running back. I didnít have him going in my first round in my last mock but I think without a doubt heís a first round talent. I have him as a top 10 prospect, itís just tough to find a home for him in the first round. I think one of those teams will come up and get him in the early 2nd round.</P>


Brandon Harris is a guy I really like. Heís my #2 corner right now. Heís more technically sounds. Has good versatility can play the nickel. Heís more of an off zone guy, heís got a strong looking lower half. All in all I think heís an off the zone guy but could play outside.</P>


I like Harris a lot.</P>


Yeah Heís a good player</P>


What do you like about Ponder?</P>


Ponder heís just a guy that gets it. He has enough of the physical attributes, heís battled tested. Gets the ball out on time. I donít know if heís going to be a first round pick, and frankly I donít care heís a guy Iíd go to bat for on draft day and the one QB I would trust the most.</P>


Newtonís a tough guy. Really physically talented, skyís the limit, on the field heís got a bit of a presence to him. Really a wild card. A boom or bust pick and right now I donít have enough conviction in him that heíll be a good NFL Player. I mean his physical attributes, good make him a good enough quarterback early on in his career like Vince Young was, but the league got onto Vince young and I think the same thing could happen to Newton. If he doesnít clean himself up a bit off the field.</P>


Is this the best fullback class youíve ever scouted?</P>


Yeah. It really is. Maecric can be a starter, Anthony Sherman can, Travis can. Hynoski can. Stanley Havili could be a single back on a a lot of teams. heís that kind of west coast style full back, decent enough blocker who can run. I like that kid from South Carolina as well as too. Heís a nasty blocker in the pass game. I think thereís a lot of guys who deserve to be draft. I think Marcic,, Hynsoki will be the first ones drafted. John Conner went 5th round, I think they could go a smidge higher. Iíd say 4th and 5th round Hynoski and Merecic come off the board and maybe later Sherman</P>


Is the Safety class really that bad? I kind of like Jarret and Rahim Moore.</P>


Yeah I like Rahim Moore, but I had six safeties rated higher than him last year. I think Rahim Moore is a 3rd round guy could start for you year one and two. Doesnít tackle real well, doesnít run real fast, but he plays faster [than his underwear Olympics speed]. Thereís not a ton of wasted motion. Instinctive has good ball skills too. I think he can be a starter, I just donít think heís a dynamic center fielder.</P>


I think Jarret is a potential starter. He can play teams. He can play nickel situations, but coming from Temple heís not quite as sound as I thought he was, and heís a little smaller than I thought he was. I think he gives you a chance to be a starter in the N.F.L and can play special teams and thatísí pretty good for a guy youíre probably going to take in the 5th round.</P>


Is there a G.M. you trust enough, to not question the pick, even if you didnít think youíd like the pick before the draft?</P>


Well obviously Belichick picks a guy youíre going to feel pretty good about that. Bill Polian, and Ozzie Newsome and Colbert from the Steelers, they do it as well as anyone. To win consistently. Overall prospects that I like, itís all about the scheme they get into. For instance, I like Aldon Smith this year, but I donít know if heís a great fit as a 34 guy I like him more as a 43 guy. So a lot of these players itís based on the schemes they get into and whether or not theyíll be successful.</P>


Whatís the best group of players, what position I mean, for mid round value. </P>


Running back has a really nice deep group of guys. Roy Helu Jr. Jamie Harper, Shane Vereen. I think they could all be really solid mid round picks. The kid from Bradford from USC could be a really nice late round guy.</P>


I think receivers has a nice group of players as well, a lot of these seniors feel because of the juniors that came out. Niles Paul, Austin Pettis. I think theyíll be really solid mid-round picks. Do i like any other positions for mid round value? No, those two are the deepest mid to late round to get some quality at. So if youhave a need at one of these two spots like the Redskins thereís no need to press for it in first or second round.</P>


Have you gotten any sort of feel for players who could go much, much higher than the casual draft follower expects on draft day?</P>


Brook Reedís a guy thatís been talked about late first. I donít think heís worth it to be honest, but heís a guy who could go pretty high. </P>


Phil Taylor is a guy that seems like heís getting a lot of pub. Same with Kendrick Ellis.Character guy, talented (Referring to Taylor, I believe, not 1oo percent sure, so donít quote me quoting Wes on the reason). I wouldnít be surprised if he got a sniff of the late first round.</P>


Jabaal Sheard is a guy I think could have a shot at going late first round. Talented pass rusher, heís been kind of overlooked in this defensive line class. A 3-4 team that doesnít ask him to cover a lot, just get after the passer would be a good fit. Packers at 32 I think thatíd be a good spot there. </P>


Iíd like to thank Wes for taking the time to give us an interview and hopefully weíll be able to do it again sometime after the draft to get his thoughts on how the draft turned out.</P>
Yeah I really like Bunting and the National Football Post in general. They employ the former director of College scouting from the Bears as one of there draft guys. I agree with him on many players such as Pettis,Niles and Allen Bradford who are all mentioned in here

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 09:41 AM
A great Writeup by Greg Gabriel, who has 29yrs of scouting to his credit, most noteably, 16yrs with our New York Giants, working closely with George Young, Dan Reeves, Parcells, and Accorsi... I last mocked Gabe Carimi to us, and i seen Slip seems to think Carimis looked at as a faller in the draft.. I totally dissgree, and think like Kiper, hes at worst, going to be a Eagle, which i hope dosen't happen.... This guys one heck of a player, and i think he might just surprise and be a LT in the NFL, but overall, hes just gonna be a Stalwart for wherever he ends up on someones Oline, RT or LT.... I like how Gabriel brings up his Athletiscim, a part of Carimi's game, i think gets overlooked, because of his lucnh pail persona, and straight nastiness and incredible run blocking ability.. But, trust me, this guy can move the hips, and is no slouch in the pass game, just ask Scott Tolzien...





Gabe Carimi</P>
<P class="co_image co_image_right inline_right">http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/Carimi.jpg<SPAN>ICON</SPAN>Gabe Carimi was a four-year starter at left tackle for the Badgers.</P>


Carimi might not be the be the most athletic tackle in this draft but when itís all said and done he may be the best overall tackle. Gabe is a 5th year senior. He redshirted his freshman year but then became a four-year starter at left tackle, starting a total of 49 games.</P>


One thing that helps Carimi is that he has played in a pro-style offense his whole career. He plays mostly from a 3-point stance but at times will play from a 2-point. He has a comfortable stance with his feet flat and his butt low. He has very good snap reaction and initial quickness. As a run blocker he gets into his block quickly and shows explosive snap on contact. He has a natural hip roll and he is always driving his feet. He is very physical and aggressive as a run blocker and consistently looks to finish. He has the athleticism to play in space and make blocks at the second level. He does a good job adjusting to movement and always takes good angles.</P>


In pass protection he is able to set quickly and is efficient cutting off wide speed. He has a strong punch and is consistent with keeping his hands inside. Carimi has good natural bend and is excellent when taking on bull rushers. He shows good mirror ability versus counter moves with his quick feet and ability to redirect. He has very good awareness and patience and wonít get fooled when his opponents try different blitzes.</P>


Overall, there are some tackles in this draft that have a little better athleticism and may pass protect a little better but no one has the combination of run blocking, pass protection and nastiness as Carimi. Tyron Smith is the most talented tackle in this class but in my view Carimi is next. I love his game day demeanor and his overall focus. This player is going to be a very steady NFL tackle and play for a long time.</P>
I dont get why people dont like Carimi at worst you are getting aGood startingRT. I myself think the best tape I saw was from Sherrod this year but I understand he doesnt have the upside as some of the other guys. Honestly unless the Giants cut somebody Im not sure if they draft a tackle if the rookie will even play this year. I dont think Diehl or Mckenzie will be beaten out by a rookie. I understand this want for Pouncey but unless he is coming here to play center then I would pass. The Giants are going to kick Diehl inside eventually.

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 10:21 AM
Ive been looking at some Notre Dame games from this year because im planning on doing some Manti Teo and Harrision Smith vids and this team is going to be good next year. Im not guaranteeing anything but I think they are a borderline BCS team next season. I hope they get better because its good for CFB when there good.

Raptor22
04-08-2011, 12:06 PM
I dont get why people dont like Carimi at worst you are getting aGood startingRT. I myself think the best tape I saw was from Sherrod this year but I understand he doesnt have the upside as some of the other guys. Honestly unless the Giants cut somebody Im not sure if they draft a tackle if the rookie will even play this year. I dont think Diehl or Mckenzie will be beaten out by a rookie. I understand this want for Pouncey but unless he is coming here to play center then I would pass. The Giants are going to kick Diehl inside eventually.

My guess is that the starting line looks like this:
LT: Beatty
LG: Dave Diehl
C: O'Hara
RG: Snee
RT: K-Mac

I don't see a tackle in the draft that's good enough to knock Diehl or Beatty out of the starting LT spot. Also, K-Mac had a good season last year (outside of games 2 and 3, it was a great season).

Petrus will be depth for the guard spots, and probably start learning how to play C. I could also see them picking up Ijalana or Mims to be backup for K-Mac and his replacement in 2012. I also think they draft Brandon Fusco or Jake Kirkpatrick to be the eventual starting C.

in other news: Mike Pope (Giants' TE coach) was working out Kyle Rudolph at Notre Dame's pro day. I think we can add him to the list of guys the Giants have shown interest in.

BlueSanta
04-08-2011, 02:28 PM
A pretty cool interview with Wes Bunting... A solid read..... Check it out redeye...









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<h1>Wes Bunting Interviews with NFLmocks</h1>
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Wes Bunting it the main draft guru at National Football Post and one
of my personal favorite draft analysts even though heís newer on the
scene. Buntingís big board has some controversy a little bit every year,
but Bunting writes what he sees andbelieves. I remember last year that
he had Maurkice Pouncey as #4 on his big board, which looks brilliant
right now. Heís also not afriad to admit when he makes mistakes like he
did here. (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Learning-from-my-mistakes-as-a-talent-evaluator.html)Which
is something we will do here. Weíll never delete our old big boards or
evaluations as long as Iím editor here, for better or worse each year
moving forward thereíll be a tab for all of our old draft stuff.</p>


Bunting also has a True big board. His players are graded on a point
system and ranked based on that point system, it is not a big board of
where players will or should go in the draft. Just where they relate to
their predicted impact in the N.F.L. by Bunting, not according to
positional value.</p>


This year some of the prospects he has higher than most people are:
Julio Jones at #3, Aldon Smith at 8, Watkins at 13, B. Harris at 15 (100
percent on board with this one), Wisniewski at 21 (ahead of Pouncey,
again 100 percent on this one), and Christian Ponder at 39th overall
(and his top rated QB). And then the full back class as well with three
of them in the top 30 (again not positional value, just overall
talent).</p>


Wes took some time out of his hectic schedule to interview over the phone with me and below is what he had to say.</p>


Howíd you get into scouting and the National Football Post?</p>


Itís something Iíve always wanted to do and I was going through
college and figuring out exactly if I wanted to be a media guy or a NFL
scout and I was interning everywhere under the sun and my senior year.
My senior year I was a big fan of Michael Lombardi. I contacted him and
sent him my resume, he contacted me out of the blue one day and said do
you want to work for me and I said I would love to. I worked a whole
bunch of hours with him 2008 football season writing up scouting repots
for him and then I did the draft for him and they drafted me right after
college.</p>


My senior year I went down to a couple of training camps trying
to figure out what I wanted to do and I realized I didnít want to be an
NFL scout I kind of like doing the media thing a little bit more. And
just committed to that 100 percent.</p>


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Whatís your evaluation process?</p>


Starts in the summer with a whole big box of tape and everyday I
just climb through one tape one team from each conference and I try to
put about 1500 hours worth of tape for each major conference and then
during the year Iím evaluating the smaller schools as well as going back
and watching and writing up the major conferences and then once the
year is over I go to all of the All-star games and watch them there. Do
the combine circuit collect the information there. Talk to as many
people as I can scouts and people close to the program toget a feel for
character issues. Thatís kind of how I got about it.</p>


What are you hearing about trades in the top 10 to 12 picks with all the QB needy teams at the top of the draft?</p>


I havení t heard a ton about trades to be honest. With not being
able to trade players and the uncertainty of future picks I feel trades
are going to be kind of small to be honest. You know teams only have
7,8, or 9 picks and I think thatís how many theyíre going to try and
bring in. You canít sign free agents after the draft either, so I think
trades are going to be down overall.</p>


Do you think teams will focus on more needs of this draft because of the CBA?</p>


I think it will be a more needs based trades overall, but youíre
asking the wrong guy if you mention the three letters C.B.A to me to be
honest. I wish I could give you a real answer, but weíve never gone
through it before. I think itíll be a little more needs based, but
overall. But the Patriots are going to go need based, the ravens arenít
going to go need base, the Steelers arenít going to go need based.
Theyíre going to draft the best player they feel is on the board.</p>


Two of the players I love in the draft that are going to fall
down the draft are Mark Ingram and Brandon Harris what do you see from
them and where do you think they might end up?</p>


You know I really like Mark Ingram I think heís a better prospect
than Ryan Matthews was last year who went 11th overall. He doesnít run
fast in a straight line which will make him fall a little bit, but heís
natural, he runs hard, heís got a good pad level good short area
quickness a good feel good short area quickness can accelerate in tight
areas. I donít know how long his NFL career is going to be because the
runs so hard he can get beat up quickly. I think youíre looking at a
good 5 6 years, but thatís pretty much all you can ask for from a
running back. I didnít have him going in my first round in my last mock
but I think without a doubt heís a first round talent. I have him as a
top 10 prospect, itís just tough to find a home for him in the first
round. I think one of those teams will come up and get him in the early
2nd round.</p>


Brandon Harris is a guy I really like. Heís my #2 corner right
now. Heís more technically sounds. Has good versatility can play the
nickel. Heís more of an off zone guy, heís got a strong looking lower
half. All in all I think heís an off the zone guy but could play
outside.</p>


I like Harris a lot.</p>


Yeah Heís a good player</p>


What do you like about Ponder?</p>


Ponder heís just a guy that gets it. He has enough of the
physical attributes, heís battled tested. Gets the ball out on time. I
donít know if heís going to be a first round pick, and frankly I donít
care heís a guy Iíd go to bat for on draft day and the one QB I would
trust the most.</p>


Newtonís a tough guy. Really physically talented, skyís the
limit, on the field heís got a bit of a presence to him. Really a wild
card. A boom or bust pick and right now I donít have enough conviction
in him that heíll be a good NFL Player. I mean his physical attributes,
good make him a good enough quarterback early on in his career like
Vince Young was, but the league got onto Vince young and I think the
same thing could happen to Newton. If he doesnít clean himself up a bit
off the field.</p>


Is this the best fullback class youíve ever scouted?</p>


Yeah. It really is. Maecric can be a starter, Anthony Sherman
can, Travis can. Hynoski can. Stanley Havili could be a single back on a
a lot of teams. heís that kind of west coast style full back, decent
enough blocker who can run. I like that kid from South Carolina as well
as too. Heís a nasty blocker in the pass game. I think thereís a lot of
guys who deserve to be draft. I think Marcic,, Hynsoki will be the first
ones drafted. John Conner went 5th round, I think they could go a
smidge higher. Iíd say 4th and 5th round Hynoski and Merecic come off
the board and maybe later Sherman</p>


Is the Safety class really that bad? I kind of like Jarret and Rahim Moore.</p>


Yeah I like Rahim Moore, but I had six safeties rated higher than
him last year. I think Rahim Moore is a 3rd round guy could start for
you year one and two. Doesnít tackle real well, doesnít run real fast,
but he plays faster [than his underwear Olympics speed].
Thereís not a ton of wasted motion. Instinctive has good ball skills
too. I think he can be a starter, I just donít think heís a dynamic
center fielder.</p>


I think Jarret is a potential starter. He can play teams. He can
play nickel situations, but coming from Temple heís not quite as sound
as I thought he was, and heís a little smaller than I thought he was. I
think he gives you a chance to be a starter in the N.F.L and can play
special teams and thatísí pretty good for a guy youíre probably going to
take in the 5th round.</p>


Is there a G.M. you trust enough, to not question the pick, even if you didnít think youíd like the pick before the draft?</p>


Well obviously Belichick picks a guy youíre going to feel pretty
good about that. Bill Polian, and Ozzie Newsome and Colbert from the
Steelers, they do it as well as anyone. To win consistently. Overall prospects that I like, itís all about the scheme they get into. For
instance, I like Aldon Smith this year, but I donít know if heís a
great fit as a 34 guy I like him more as a 43 guy. So a lot of these
players itís based on the schemes they get into and whether or not
theyíll be successful.</p>


Whatís the best group of players, what position I mean, for mid round value. </p>


Running back has a really nice deep group of guys. Roy Helu Jr.
Jamie Harper, Shane Vereen. I think they could all be really solid mid
round picks. The kid from Bradford from USC could be a really nice late
round guy.</p>


I think receivers has a nice group of players as well, a lot of
these seniors feel because of the juniors that came out. Niles Paul,
Austin Pettis. I think theyíll be really solid mid-round picks. Do i
like any other positions for mid round value? No, those two are the
deepest mid to late round to get some quality at. So if youhave a need
at one of these two spots like the Redskins thereís no need to press for
it in first or second round.</p>


Have you gotten any sort of feel for players who could go much, much higher than the casual draft follower expects on draft day?</p>


Brook Reedís a guy thatís been talked about late first. I donít
think heís worth it to be honest, but heís a guy who could go pretty
high. </p>


Phil Taylor is a guy that seems like heís getting a lot of pub. Same with Kendrick Ellis.Character guy, talented (Referring to Taylor, I believe, not 1oo percent sure, so donít quote me quoting Wes on the reason). I wouldnít be surprised if he got a sniff of the late first round.</p>


Jabaal Sheard is a guy I think could have a shot at going late
first round. Talented pass rusher, heís been kind of overlooked in this
defensive line class. A 3-4 team that doesnít ask him to cover a lot,
just get after the passer would be a good fit. Packers at 32 I think
thatíd be a good spot there. </p>


Iíd like to thank Wes for taking the time to give us an interview and
hopefully weíll be able to do it again sometime after the draft to get
his thoughts on how the draft turned out.</p>


Ive been saying for months now, if your a team that needs a QB right now, then you should pursue Ponder. In thoroughly watching this team over the last couple years I can safely say that Ponder and Hudson are as good at their respective positions as anyone in this draft.

nycsportzfan
04-08-2011, 06:43 PM
A great Writeup by Greg Gabriel, who has 29yrs of scouting to his credit, most noteably, 16yrs with our New York Giants, working closely with George Young, Dan Reeves, Parcells, and Accorsi... I last mocked Gabe Carimi to us, and i seen Slip seems to think Carimis looked at as a faller in the draft.. I totally dissgree, and think like Kiper, hes at worst, going to be a Eagle, which i hope dosen't happen.... This guys one heck of a player, and i think he might just surprise and be a LT in the NFL, but overall, hes just gonna be a Stalwart for wherever he ends up on someones Oline, RT or LT.... I like how Gabriel brings up his Athletiscim, a part of Carimi's game, i think gets overlooked, because of his lucnh pail persona, and straight nastiness and incredible run blocking ability.. But, trust me, this guy can move the hips, and is no slouch in the pass game, just ask Scott Tolzien...





Gabe Carimi</p>
<p class="co_image co_image_right inline_right">http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/Carimi.jpg<span>ICON</span>Gabe Carimi was a four-year starter at left tackle for the Badgers.</p>


Carimi might not be the be the most athletic tackle in this draft but when itís all said and done he may be the best overall tackle. Gabe is a 5th year senior. He redshirted his freshman year but then became a four-year starter at left tackle, starting a total of 49 games.</p>


One thing that helps Carimi is that he has played in a pro-style offense his whole career. He plays mostly from a 3-point stance but at times will play from a 2-point. He has a comfortable stance with his feet flat and his butt low. He has very good snap reaction and initial quickness. As a run blocker he gets into his block quickly and shows explosive snap on contact. He has a natural hip roll and he is always driving his feet. He is very physical and aggressive as a run blocker and consistently looks to finish. He has the athleticism to play in space and make blocks at the second level. He does a good job adjusting to movement and always takes good angles.</p>


In pass protection he is able to set quickly and is efficient cutting off wide speed. He has a strong punch and is consistent with keeping his hands inside. Carimi has good natural bend and is excellent when taking on bull rushers. He shows good mirror ability versus counter moves with his quick feet and ability to redirect. He has very good awareness and patience and wonít get fooled when his opponents try different blitzes.</p>


Overall, there are some tackles in this draft that have a little better athleticism and may pass protect a little better but no one has the combination of run blocking, pass protection and nastiness as Carimi. Tyron Smith is the most talented tackle in this class but in my view Carimi is next. I love his game day demeanor and his overall focus. This player is going to be a very steady NFL tackle and play for a long time.</p>
I dont get why people dont like Carimi at worst you are getting aGood startingRT. I myself think the best tape I saw was from Sherrod this year but I understand he doesnt have the upside as some of the other guys. Honestly unless the Giants cut somebody Im not sure if they draft a tackle if the rookie will even play this year. I dont think Diehl or Mckenzie will be beaten out by a rookie. I understand this want for Pouncey but unless he is coming here to play center then I would pass. The Giants are going to kick Diehl inside eventually. Carimi would make a fine 1st rd selection, and i like em better then Bulaga last yr, and bulaga had a good Rookie yr, and looks to add more Super Bowl rings to his credit over the rest of his career.. I was surprised Bulaga slipped so much, i think teams over analyze the athletic abililty of OT's, but when u got guys as big and strong and determined as Bulaga and Carimi, with at least enough athletic ability, its tough for them not to succeed.. They are the type of OT's, that win u championships, because they lay it on the line play in and play out, and there very smart and savy... Another words, there safe bets, to be in this league along time, ala Jon Runyans and Chad Cliftons...

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 08:22 PM
A great Writeup by Greg Gabriel, who has 29yrs of scouting to his credit, most noteably, 16yrs with our New York Giants, working closely with George Young, Dan Reeves, Parcells, and Accorsi... I last mocked Gabe Carimi to us, and i seen Slip seems to think Carimis looked at as a faller in the draft.. I totally dissgree, and think like Kiper, hes at worst, going to be a Eagle, which i hope dosen't happen.... This guys one heck of a player, and i think he might just surprise and be a LT in the NFL, but overall, hes just gonna be a Stalwart for wherever he ends up on someones Oline, RT or LT.... I like how Gabriel brings up his Athletiscim, a part of Carimi's game, i think gets overlooked, because of his lucnh pail persona, and straight nastiness and incredible run blocking ability.. But, trust me, this guy can move the hips, and is no slouch in the pass game, just ask Scott Tolzien...





Gabe Carimi</P>
<P class="co_image co_image_right inline_right">http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/Carimi.jpg<SPAN>ICON</SPAN>Gabe Carimi was a four-year starter at left tackle for the Badgers.</P>


Carimi might not be the be the most athletic tackle in this draft but when itís all said and done he may be the best overall tackle. Gabe is a 5th year senior. He redshirted his freshman year but then became a four-year starter at left tackle, starting a total of 49 games.</P>


One thing that helps Carimi is that he has played in a pro-style offense his whole career. He plays mostly from a 3-point stance but at times will play from a 2-point. He has a comfortable stance with his feet flat and his butt low. He has very good snap reaction and initial quickness. As a run blocker he gets into his block quickly and shows explosive snap on contact. He has a natural hip roll and he is always driving his feet. He is very physical and aggressive as a run blocker and consistently looks to finish. He has the athleticism to play in space and make blocks at the second level. He does a good job adjusting to movement and always takes good angles.</P>


In pass protection he is able to set quickly and is efficient cutting off wide speed. He has a strong punch and is consistent with keeping his hands inside. Carimi has good natural bend and is excellent when taking on bull rushers. He shows good mirror ability versus counter moves with his quick feet and ability to redirect. He has very good awareness and patience and wonít get fooled when his opponents try different blitzes.</P>


Overall, there are some tackles in this draft that have a little better athleticism and may pass protect a little better but no one has the combination of run blocking, pass protection and nastiness as Carimi. Tyron Smith is the most talented tackle in this class but in my view Carimi is next. I love his game day demeanor and his overall focus. This player is going to be a very steady NFL tackle and play for a long time.</P>



I dont get why people dont like Carimi at worst you are getting aGood startingRT. I myself think the best tape I saw was from Sherrod this year but I understand he doesnt have the upside as some of the other guys. Honestly unless the Giants cut somebody Im not sure if they draft a tackle if the rookie will even play this year. I dont think Diehl or Mckenzie will be beaten out by a rookie. I understand this want for Pouncey but unless he is coming here to play center then I would pass. The Giants are going to kick Diehl inside eventually. Carimi would make a fine 1st rd selection, and i like em better then Bulaga last yr, and bulaga had a good Rookie yr, and looks to add more Super Bowl rings to his credit over the rest of his career.. I was surprised Bulaga slipped so much, i think teams over analyze the athletic abililty of OT's, but when u got guys as big and strong and determined as Bulaga and Carimi, with at least enough athletic ability, its tough for them not to succeed.. They are the type of OT's, that win u championships, because they lay it on the line play in and play out, and there very smart and savy... Another words, there safe bets, to be in this league along time, ala Jon Runyans and Chad Cliftons...
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Bulaga was the guy I wanted them to pick last year when he was still there at 15. He fell because of his short arms I think. Carimi is a mauler and a grinder he is the kind of guy U want on your team. </P>

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 09:11 PM
A Real Linebacker</P>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</P>

Neverend
04-08-2011, 09:38 PM
A Real Linebacker</P>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</P>


</P>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</P>

titwio
04-08-2011, 10:17 PM
A Real Linebacker</P>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</P>

Good looking prospect....Physical and athletic...I don't know what they feed those Samoan's but they are some strong mo fo's...

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 10:37 PM
A Real Linebacker</P>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</P>


</P>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</P>


</P>


Burfict is the guy I want </P>

lawl
04-08-2011, 10:44 PM
A Real Linebacker</P>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</P>


</P>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</P>


</P>


Burfict is the guy I want </P>


</P>


yea thatd be a pretty sweet deal, is he like a top 10 type guy though?</P>

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 10:52 PM
A Real Linebacker</P>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</P>


</P>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</P>


</P>


Burfict is the guy I want </P>


</P>


yea thatd be a pretty sweet deal, is he like a top 10 type guy though?</P>


</P>


Probably, I know theres very little chance</P>

Redeyejedi
04-08-2011, 10:52 PM
A Real Linebacker</P>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</P>


</P>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</P>


</P>


Burfict is the guy I want </P>


</P>


yea thatd be a pretty sweet deal, is he like a top 10 type guy though?</P>


</P>


Probably, I know theres very little chance</P>

Raptor22
04-09-2011, 12:30 AM
A Real Linebacker</p>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</p>


</p>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</p>


</p>


Burfict is the guy I want </p>

I'd probably need some new underwear if Reese managed to get Burfict or Kuechly next year.

just imagine this defense:
Tuck-Canty-Joseph/Cofield-Osi/JPP

TT -Bruce Carter - Kuechly/Burfict- Greg Jones/Ross Homan/Nate Irving-Webby

Antrel Rolle-KP (back to %100)


WHATCHA GONNA DO!?

(yeah, I think old school Hulk Hogan is about the only way to describe that)

heavyhitter
04-10-2011, 11:34 AM
A Real Linebacker</p>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</p>


</p>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</p><font size="3">I don't even think Te'o will come out after next year. He's only a sophomore right? Some Notre Dame fans even think he'll stay his senior year. 2013 guy IMO-</font>

heavyhitter
04-10-2011, 11:38 AM
<h3 class="headline"> Greg Little (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-first-draft/09000d5d81f23c5e/First-Draft-Greg-Little)</h3>
<h3 class="headline">Brandon Harris (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d81f2c1ca/First-Draft-Brandon-Harris)</h3>
<h3 class="headline"> Mikel Leshoure (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f246ca/First-Draft-Mikel-Leshoure)</h3>

heavyhitter
04-10-2011, 11:40 AM
<h3 class="headline">Pro-day winners (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f24584/Pro-day-winners)</h3>
<h3 class="headline">Pro-day losers (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f246cd/Pro-day-losers)</h3>

nycsportzfan
04-10-2011, 11:45 AM
A Real Linebacker</p>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</p>


</p>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</p>


</p>


Burfict is the guy I want </p> Te'o is very sound in his game.. He rarley mis reads plays, and never hesitates while making decisons, quickly and effectively... I watched every game he played, so i'm talking about every game, not just this game... I love watching him play, hes not quite the playmaker yet, but hes as sound a LB prospect as there is out there, and when u watch em, u come to really respect, how great it is, to have a smart, heady, LB, with all the measurables and intangables.. The playmaking will come, with Te'o, just becuase hes so smart, and constantly makes quick decisons, and he really does well in coverege...

heavyhitter
04-10-2011, 11:52 AM
A Real Linebacker</p>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</p>


</p>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</p>


</p>


Burfict is the guy I want </p>I can see Burfict declaring after this year. He may be a little crazy, but 1st round talent all the way.

heavyhitter
04-10-2011, 12:02 PM
Ive been looking at some <font size="4">Notre Dame</font> games from this year because im planning on doing some Manti Teo and Harrision Smith vids and this team is going to be good next year. Im not guaranteeing anything but I think they are a borderline BCS team next season. I hope they get better because its good for CFB when there good.<font size="2">I have to go back and read the article, but I think WR Micheal Floyd will miss no games this year due to his DUI arrest. A little bit surprised at that one considering his previous run ins and the "standards of excellence" at Notre Dame. </font>

Redeyejedi
04-10-2011, 12:06 PM
A Real Linebacker</P>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</P>


</P>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</P>


</P>


Burfict is the guy I want </P>


Te'o is very sound in his game.. He rarley mis reads plays, and never hesitates while making decisons, quickly and effectively... I watched every game he played, so i'm talking about every game, not just this game... I love watching him play, hes not quite the playmaker yet, but hes as sound a LB prospect as there is out there, and when u watch em, u come to really respect, how great it is, to have a smart, heady, LB, with all the measurables and intangables.. The playmaking will come, with Te'o, just becuase hes so smart, and constantly makes quick decisons, and he really does well in coverege...
</P>


I think so as well. He runs to well ,hits to hard and is to smart for those things not to start happening. I also agree with Heavyhitter, I dont think he comes out in 2012. I think Burfict will </P>


</P>

Redeyejedi
04-10-2011, 12:08 PM
Ive been looking at some <FONT size=4>Notre Dame</FONT> games from this year because im planning on doing some Manti Teo and Harrision Smith vids and this team is going to be good next year. Im not guaranteeing anything but I think they are a borderline BCS team next season. I hope they get better because its good for CFB when there good.<FONT size=2>I have to go back and read the article, but I think WR Micheal Floyd will miss no games this year due to his DUI arrest. A little bit surprised at that one considering his previous run ins and the "standards of excellence" at Notre Dame. </FONT>
Yeah I was wondering if he may consider the supplemental draft. He may not get a chance to play next year. I wonder how high a team would be willing to go with him. Im sure a team would bid at least a 3rd. He would be a steal through the supplemental draft

Redeyejedi
04-10-2011, 12:57 PM
Here is a couple more vids I put up</P>


This one is of Zach Brown who I like but is being kind of overrated by these 2012 draft sites. Ive seen sites have him in the Top 10 players in the 2012 draft which is insane. He may not be the best linebacker on his team. MLB Kevin Red**** may be better overall then the speedy Brown who ran for the UNC track team and reportedly posted a 4.28 "Translation 4.4"during the NC offseason conditioning program . Zach makes plays but needs to be more of a factor to be considered a Top 10 prospect . I had a hard time putting together even 3 minutes on him.</P><A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vT7I_7QwX4">
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Zach Brown vs Tennessee 2010 "Music City Bowl"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeN_ybOTYpw) </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>Some more of Prince not many targets but its something</DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Prince Amukamara vs Oklahoma</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vT7I_7QwX4) </DIV> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vT7I_7QwX4)

nycsportzfan
04-10-2011, 01:15 PM
A Real Linebacker</p>


Manti Te'o vs Stanford</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdJ9lC9UhRY</p>


</p>


Damn, forget what I said about te'o being a candidate to as an ILB to replace goff next year, definitely a better fit on the outside</p>


</p>


Burfict is the guy I want </p>


Te'o is very sound in his game.. He rarley mis reads plays, and never hesitates while making decisons, quickly and effectively... I watched every game he played, so i'm talking about every game, not just this game... I love watching him play, hes not quite the playmaker yet, but hes as sound a LB prospect as there is out there, and when u watch em, u come to really respect, how great it is, to have a smart, heady, LB, with all the measurables and intangables.. The playmaking will come, with Te'o, just becuase hes so smart, and constantly makes quick decisons, and he really does well in coverege...
</p>


I think so as well. He runs to well ,hits to hard and is to smart for those things not to start happening. I also agree with Heavyhitter, I dont think he comes out in 2012. I think Burfict will </p>


</p> agreed...

Have u got a tape together on James Brewer yet, Redeye? i know, how busy you are with the vid's.. Just a reminder, is all... Hes gonna make a heck of a RT, for someone....

heavyhitter
04-12-2011, 03:12 AM
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3>
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nycsportzfan
04-12-2011, 05:45 AM
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3>
</div>
[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...

Redeyejedi
04-12-2011, 11:32 AM
Some more 2012 RB's</P>


Underrated Tennessee back</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Tauren Poole vs Oregon 2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79qeIQk8yIQ) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>The Speedy </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Lamichael James vs Tennessee 2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTboddeMnvw) </DIV></DIV>

heavyhitter
04-12-2011, 02:09 PM
<font size="2">Here's a pretty cool video of USCw QB Matt Barkley mic'd up w/ the helmet cam. Should be interesting to see where he goes in the 2012 draft. That draft should be loaded w/ some really good QB's. Luck, Barkley, Landry Jones (OU), Kellen Moore (Boise St.), Terrelle Pryor (Ohio St.), ect.</font>
<font size="4"> Matt Barkley (http://www.foxsportswest.com/pages/video?PID=ZZL4C6ytcSYPDgargZIeZTdO4BdGuDYv)</font>

titwio
04-12-2011, 05:31 PM
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</div>
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3>
</div>
[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol* This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing...* I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...


I have to disagree....

Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen)

IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed...

The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!

Redeyejedi
04-12-2011, 07:02 PM
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<DIV class=content>
<H3 class=headline><FONT size=5>First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</FONT></H3></DIV></LI>[/list]


He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...
I have to disagree.... Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen) IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed... The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!</P>


Yeah I love Smith on tape and I hope he doesnt end up in the NFC East. </P>

Raptor22
04-12-2011, 08:05 PM
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<div class="content">
<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3></div>[/list]


He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...
I have to disagree.... Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen) IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed... The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!</p>


Yeah I love Smith on tape and I hope he doesnt end up in the NFC East. </p>

As much as I hate to say it, I could see Jerry Jones grabbing him if Prince is off the board and Tyron Smith's knee is acting up more than we know. Then again, put him on the cowboys... could be fun.

NY would probably be a good situation for Jimmy Smith, because you know Coughlin, Fewell, Tuck, Osi, and (if he's here) Grant would not tolerate any crap out of anyone, let alone a rookie. Hell, they didn't tolerate what Antrel Rolle said, and he just spoke his mind (albeit inappropriately given the NYC media).

That being said, the schadenfreudy parts of me would love to see either a DT (Luiget, Wilkerson, Paea) or Aldon Smith (or by some miracle) Robert Quinn taken, just to see people's heads explode.

titwio
04-12-2011, 08:14 PM
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<div class="content">
<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3></div>[/list]


He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol* This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing...* I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...
I have to disagree.... Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen) IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed... The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!</p>


Yeah I love Smith on tape and I hope he doesnt end up in the NFC East. </p>

As much as I hate to say it, I could see Jerry Jones grabbing him if Prince is off the board and Tyron Smith's knee is acting up more than we know. Then again, put him on the cowboys... could be fun.

NY would probably be a good situation for Jimmy Smith, because you know Coughlin, Fewell, Tuck, Osi, and (if he's here) Grant would not tolerate any crap out of anyone, let alone a rookie. Hell, they didn't tolerate what Antrel Rolle said, and he just spoke his mind (albeit inappropriately given the NYC media).

That being said, the schadenfreudy parts of me would love to see either a DT (Luiget, Wilkerson, Paea) or Aldon Smith (or by some miracle) Robert Quinn taken, just to see people's heads explode.


Ever see the movie Scanners?

And with the 19th overall pick the New York Giants select Defensive End......

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x322/titwio/head_explosion.gif

Raptor22
04-12-2011, 08:18 PM
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<div class="content">
<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3></div>[/list]


He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...
I have to disagree.... Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen) IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed... The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!</p>


Yeah I love Smith on tape and I hope he doesnt end up in the NFC East. </p>

As much as I hate to say it, I could see Jerry Jones grabbing him if Prince is off the board and Tyron Smith's knee is acting up more than we know. Then again, put him on the cowboys... could be fun.

NY would probably be a good situation for Jimmy Smith, because you know Coughlin, Fewell, Tuck, Osi, and (if he's here) Grant would not tolerate any crap out of anyone, let alone a rookie. Hell, they didn't tolerate what Antrel Rolle said, and he just spoke his mind (albeit inappropriately given the NYC media).

That being said, the schadenfreudy parts of me would love to see either a DT (Luiget, Wilkerson, Paea) or Aldon Smith (or by some miracle) Robert Quinn taken, just to see people's heads explode.


Ever see the movie Scanners?

And with the 19th overall pick the New York Giants select Defensive End......

http://i1176.photobucket.com/albums/x322/titwio/head_explosion.gif

That's pretty much what I was envisioning [:P]

nycsportzfan
04-12-2011, 11:17 PM
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3>
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[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...


I have to disagree....

Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen)

IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed...

The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly! ya, pacman jones was definetly misunderstood..lol Theres tons of talented guys who have issues that continue in the nfl, ala Dez Bryant and his immature ways continue... The guys been arrested something like 3times, and didn't he lie about something at his big Job interview at the combine?

I personally woulden't take the gamble, all though i here ya, hes talented...

nycsportzfan
04-12-2011, 11:19 PM
Man, SO many teams showing interest in Akeem Ayers... Who knows, where hes gonna go...



UCLA linebacker making the rounds Aaron Wilson (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Aaron-Wilson.html)</p>




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UCLA outside linebacker Akeem Ayers visited the Miami Dolphins this week.</p>



It's believed he also visited the New Orleans Saints.</p>



Ayers had a private workout with the Atlanta Falcons.</p>



Ayers visited the Baltimore Ravens last week.</p>



Hehas previously visited the Detroit Lions, Philadelphia Eagles and the San Diego Chargers.</p>



According to sources, Ayers has a total of 10 visits.</p>



He also has visits with the Kansas City Chiefs, Denver Broncos and theTampa Bay Buccaneers.</p>



Ayers improved his 40-yard dash significantly at his Pro Day workout
from the NFL scouting combine with clockings in the 4.69 to low 4.7
range.</p>



Ayers ran a 4.84 at the combine.</p>



Ayers bench pressed 225 pounds 22 times and posted a 34 1/2 inch vertical leap.</p>



The 6-foot-3, 254-pound all-around linebacker has excellent film, but doesn't test off the charts.</p>



However, teams are extremely high on Ayers, including the New York Giants, New England Patriots and the New York Jets.</p>



As a sophomore, Ayers recorded 14 1/2 tackles for losses, six sacks and
four interceptions as he returned two for touchdowns and two forced
fumbles with one returned for a score.</p>



As a junior, Ayers recorded 68 tackles, 10 tackles for losses, four sacks, two interceptions and two forced fumbles.</p>



He was voted third-team All-American, was a finalist for the Butkus Award and was named first-team All-Pac 10 Conference.</p>



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titwio
04-12-2011, 11:39 PM
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[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol* This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing...* I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...


I have to disagree....

Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen)

IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed...

The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly! ya, pacman jones was definetly misunderstood..lol** Theres tons of talented guys who have issues that continue in the nfl, ala Dez Bryant and his immature ways continue... The guys been arrested something like 3times, and didn't he lie about something at his big Job interview at the combine?

I personally woulden't take the gamble, all though i here ya, hes talented...


Damn.... Why'd you have to bring up Pac-man Jones...You got me there....

Yes theres always the talented players who are bad apples....Giants had a few in Taylor, Plax, Bradhsaw, Manningham etc...I just think it comes down to the risk reward....IMO...If I were a GM I don't think I could pass on that talented a prospect, especially when this draft doesn't have as many as in years past.....

I seriously think if the Giants pass they will regret it if they do....But thats just my opinion...I usually have a feeling about certain players...

Redeyejedi
04-13-2011, 12:06 AM
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<DIV class=content>
<H3 class=headline><FONT size=5>First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</FONT></H3></DIV></LI>[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...
I have to disagree.... Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen) IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed... The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly! ya, pacman jones was definetly misunderstood..lol Theres tons of talented guys who have issues that continue in the nfl, ala Dez Bryant and his immature ways continue... The guys been arrested something like 3times, and didn't he lie about something at his big Job interview at the combine?

I personally woulden't take the gamble, all though i here ya, hes talented...
Damn.... Why'd you have to bring up Pac-man Jones...You got me there.... Yes theres always the talented players who are bad apples....Giants had a few in Taylor, Plax, Bradhsaw, Manningham etc...I just think it comes down to the risk reward....IMO...If I were a GM I don't think I could pass on that talented a prospect, especially when this draft doesn't have as many as in years past..... I seriously think if the Giants pass they will regret it if they do....But thats just my opinion...I usually have a feeling about certain players...I know what your saying on sheer talent he is probably the best player available. I really want the Giants to pickanother CB as well.

BlueSanta
04-13-2011, 01:43 AM
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3>
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[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...


I have to disagree....

Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen)

IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed...

The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!

Aside from Dissecting a menial comment he made, what we should be doing is dissecting the comments he didnt make. There are numberous reports this kid lied in interviews about his troubled past. The fact is, his mistakes are not very serious. We have drafted guys recently with more serious concerns(Manningham and Bradshaw.) But, that prolly had something to do with the fact that they owned up to their mistakes in interviews and didnt try to hide them, as Smith reportedly did.

Who know, maybe the reports are all nonsense. But, if they are true, I seriously doubt any team he lied to is going to give him money.

nycsportzfan
04-13-2011, 05:57 AM
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3>
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[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...


I have to disagree....

Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen)

IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed...

The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!

Aside from Dissecting a menial comment he made, what we should be doing is dissecting the comments he didnt make. There are numberous reports this kid lied in interviews about his troubled past. The fact is, his mistakes are not very serious. We have drafted guys recently with more serious concerns(Manningham and Bradshaw.) But, that prolly had something to do with the fact that they owned up to their mistakes in interviews and didnt try to hide them, as Smith reportedly did.

Who know, maybe the reports are all nonsense. But, if they are true, I seriously doubt any team he lied to is going to give him money.
ya, it wasen't the fact of what he was saying about being a class clown/sarcastic all the time, it was more of, i wanted more from him in that segment... Something like, "ya, i made some mistakes, and i realize now, that i'm embarking on a huge oppurtunity in my life, and i plan on taking that opp by the horns, and showing my teammates, i can be a leader, and lead by example".... I didn't want to here about him being sarcastic all the time, or a guy who basically seems to not take things seriously, and is constantly making jokes... For me, that segment certainly didn't boost my confidence about him, maturing quickly, in the NFL, albeit, its not like i think less of em, because of the comments.. I still think hes to risky of a pick, but no higher, then before that segment, just wanted more from him in yet another chance for him to straighten his image up, if not just alittle...

Redeyejedi
04-13-2011, 10:38 AM
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<H3 class=headline><FONT size=5>First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</FONT></H3></DIV></LI>[/list]


He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...
I have to disagree.... Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen) IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed... The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly! ya, pacman jones was definetly misunderstood..lol Theres tons of talented guys who have issues that continue in the nfl, ala Dez Bryant and his immature ways continue... The guys been arrested something like 3times, and didn't he lie about something at his big Job interview at the combine?

I personally woulden't take the gamble, all though i here ya, hes talented...
</P>


Im with U Id move on to the next corner on my board, Davon House. He has size,speed, tape and isnt a complete jack ***. He should be more highly regarded</P>

Redeyejedi
04-13-2011, 10:41 AM
Herm Edwards was on Sportscenter and said these are how he values positions</P>


1.QB</P>


2.CB</P>


3.LT</P>


4. Pass rusher</P>

Redeyejedi
04-13-2011, 12:10 PM
The more I go throughOklahoma tapes the more Im amazed by how many screen passes they throw.</P>


I made a 2012 vid of Landry Jones against FSU. He threw the ball 40 times in the game. I didnt count or anything but out of his 30completed passes my guess is 23,24 of them were screen passes.</P>

titwio
04-13-2011, 05:36 PM
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3>
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[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol* This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing...* I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...


I have to disagree....

Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen)

IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed...

The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!

Aside from Dissecting a menial comment he made, what we should be doing is dissecting the comments he didnt make. There are numberous reports this kid lied in interviews about his troubled past. The fact is, his mistakes are not very serious. We have drafted guys recently with more serious concerns(Manningham and Bradshaw.) But, that prolly had something to do with the fact that they owned up to their mistakes in interviews and didnt try to hide them, as Smith reportedly did.

Who know, maybe the reports are all nonsense. But, if they are true, I seriously doubt any team he lied to is going to give him money.
ya, it wasen't the fact of what he was saying about being a class clown/sarcastic all the time, it was more of, i wanted more from him in that segment... Something like, "ya, i made some mistakes, and i realize now, that i'm embarking on a huge oppurtunity in my life, and i plan on taking that opp by the horns, and showing my teammates, i can be a leader, and lead by example"....* I didn't want to here about him being sarcastic all the time, or a guy who basically seems to not take things seriously, and is constantly making jokes...* For me, that segment certainly didn't boost my confidence about him, maturing quickly, in the NFL, albeit, its not like i think less of em, because of the comments.. I still think hes to risky of a pick, but no higher, then before that segment, just wanted more from him in yet another chance for him to straighten his image up, if not just alittle...


I posted this in another thread but here is an interview with Jimmy Smith following his combine....He discusses his mistakes, the combine, and the upcoming draft....He seems down to earth and level headed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yXbiEUUj_4&feature=fvwrel

It my give you a better segment than the other you were hoping would be better...

Raptor22
04-13-2011, 06:09 PM
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3>
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[/list] He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...


I have to disagree....

Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen)

IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed...

The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly!

Aside from Dissecting a menial comment he made, what we should be doing is dissecting the comments he didnt make. There are numberous reports this kid lied in interviews about his troubled past. The fact is, his mistakes are not very serious. We have drafted guys recently with more serious concerns(Manningham and Bradshaw.) But, that prolly had something to do with the fact that they owned up to their mistakes in interviews and didnt try to hide them, as Smith reportedly did.

Who know, maybe the reports are all nonsense. But, if they are true, I seriously doubt any team he lied to is going to give him money.
ya, it wasen't the fact of what he was saying about being a class clown/sarcastic all the time, it was more of, i wanted more from him in that segment... Something like, "ya, i made some mistakes, and i realize now, that i'm embarking on a huge oppurtunity in my life, and i plan on taking that opp by the horns, and showing my teammates, i can be a leader, and lead by example".... I didn't want to here about him being sarcastic all the time, or a guy who basically seems to not take things seriously, and is constantly making jokes... For me, that segment certainly didn't boost my confidence about him, maturing quickly, in the NFL, albeit, its not like i think less of em, because of the comments.. I still think hes to risky of a pick, but no higher, then before that segment, just wanted more from him in yet another chance for him to straighten his image up, if not just alittle...


I posted this in another thread but here is an interview with Jimmy Smith following his combine....He discusses his mistakes, the combine, and the upcoming draft....He seems down to earth and level headed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yXbiEUUj_4&amp;feature=fvwrel

It my give you a better segment than the other you were hoping would be better...

I think a lot comes down to the interview; what questions are asked, and how they are asked. We don't know what the NFL First Draft interview was like, what and how questions were asked or how it was edited.

He did come off very well in the Fox Sports interview, but that was a pretty softball interview. I did like his answer about the off the field stuff... it was likely the canned answer, but still a good one.

Redeyejedi
04-13-2011, 08:51 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Casey Matthews vs Stanford</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFjaCCEWsjs) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquizz Rodgers vs Oregon</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FaVQ_OwXiI) </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Cliff Harris vs Stanford 2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrvmyyTJbGA) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Landry Jones vs FSU</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8FpwaR-GUo) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Kenjon Barner vs Oregon State and Tennessee</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyYjEdtH7rY) </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>

heavyhitter
04-13-2011, 08:55 PM
The more I go throughOklahoma tapes the more Im amazed by how many screen passes they throw.</p>


I made a 2012 vid of Landry Jones against FSU. He threw the ball 40 times in the game. I didnt count or anything but out of his 30completed passes my guess is 23,24 of them were screen passes.</p><font size="2">I'd rather you not post that one, lol. Landry Jones is a hell of a QB and that OU team has been a powerhouse for many years. Those screen passes/bubble screens that you're talking about were well designed and executed well too. FSU got their butts handed to them that day, I'll give Oklahoma that much. They play again this year in Tally and I'll be hoping for a shocker. Watch out for Florida State's new QB EJ Manuel-
</font><font size="4"><font size="2"><u> </u><font size="4"><font color="#555555">E.J. Manuel 2009-2010 Highlights</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zmtSBRqBHk)
BTW: When are you gonna come thru w/ that Brandon Jenkins vid (reminds me of Osi a bit w/ his size and speed off the edge)?
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Redeyejedi
04-13-2011, 09:00 PM
The more I go throughOklahoma tapes the more Im amazed by how many screen passes they throw.</P>


I made a 2012 vid of Landry Jones against FSU. He threw the ball 40 times in the game. I didnt count or anything but out of his 30completed passes my guess is 23,24 of them were screen passes.</P>


<FONT size=2>I'd rather you not post that one, lol. Landry Jones is a hell of a QB and that OU team has been a powerhouse for many years. Those screen passes/bubble screens that you're talking about were well designed and executed well too. FSU got their butts handed to them that day, I'll give Oklahoma that much. They play again this year in Tally and I'll be hoping for a shocker. Watch out for Florida State's new QB EJ Manuel-
</FONT><FONT size=4><FONT size=2><U></U><FONT size=4><FONT color=#555555>E.J. Manuel 2009-2010 Highlights</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zmtSBRqBHk)
BTW: When are you gonna come thru w/ that Brandon Jenkins vid (reminds me of Osi a bit w/ his size and speed off the edge)?
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I started FSU a couple days ago and got sidetracked with Oregon vids</P>

Redeyejedi
04-13-2011, 11:29 PM
REPORT: TCU OT Marcus Cannon Diagnosed With Cancer</P>


</P>


http://nflmocks.com/2011/04/13/tcu-offensive-lineman-marcus-cannon-slipping-down-draft-boards/</P>


</P>


Some horrible news was leaked in NFL circles today regarding second-round prospect Marcus Cannon of TCU. According to the sources, Cannon has testicular cancer (http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/GBPackerfan4life/Screenshot2011-04-13at65815PM.png), but it is treatable if dealt with soon. It looks like to news of his cancer is causing him to drop down draft boards. It is a very scary and sad situation for Cannon.</P>

nycsportzfan
04-14-2011, 10:35 AM
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<h3 class="headline"><font size="5">First Draft: Jimmy Smith (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f33665/First-Draft-Jimmy-Smith)</font></h3></div>[/list]


He said, "my teammates would say, i'm always sarcastic"..lol This dudes a punk.. hes gonna get popped in the mouth in a NFL locker room.. Sure, being funny and all is great, but obnoxius and immature and annoying is another thing... I'd stay far away from this guy, real far away...
I have to disagree.... Players who usually have exceptional talent are misunderstood and the things they sometimes say are taken out of context....(Just based on what I've seen) IMO Smith is one of the best prospects in this years draft....I have a bad feeling if the Giants pass on this guy, they're going to regret it.... And If he goes to the Eagles I'm going to be pissed... The Giants D-line is looking solid....They really need to strengthen their secondary....If they spend a first round pick on a DT I'm going to flip my lid....Honestly! ya, pacman jones was definetly misunderstood..lol Theres tons of talented guys who have issues that continue in the nfl, ala Dez Bryant and his immature ways continue... The guys been arrested something like 3times, and didn't he lie about something at his big Job interview at the combine?

I personally woulden't take the gamble, all though i here ya, hes talented...
</p>


Im with U Id move on to the next corner on my board, Davon House. He has size,speed, tape and isnt a complete jack ***. He should be more highly regarded</p> u know, how high i am on Davon House.. I have been quoted as saying, don't be surprised if he goes very Late 1, and if not, a teams getting a 1st rd talent, where ever they do get em.. Simply put, N.MEX ST is the reason Davon isn't talked about as a sure fire 1st rd pick.. Lighting quick, size, can man cover, has ball skills, and solid charechter and leadership qualitys, oh ya, and he tackles... Hes the complete package.

nycsportzfan
04-14-2011, 10:36 AM
REPORT: TCU OT Marcus Cannon Diagnosed With Cancer</p>


</p>


http://nflmocks.com/2011/04/13/tcu-offensive-lineman-marcus-cannon-slipping-down-draft-boards/</p>


</p>


Some horrible news was leaked in NFL circles today regarding second-round prospect Marcus Cannon of TCU. According to the sources, Cannon has testicular cancer (http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/GBPackerfan4life/Screenshot2011-04-13at65815PM.png), but it is treatable if dealt with soon. It looks like to news of his cancer is causing him to drop down draft boards. It is a very scary and sad situation for Cannon.</p> Wow, i litteraly feel awful for marcus.. Please, fight this and get well, marcus cannon!

Raptor22
04-14-2011, 09:39 PM
For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.

Neverend
04-14-2011, 10:47 PM
For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



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I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT</P>

Raptor22
04-15-2011, 01:26 PM
For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



</p>


I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT</p>

Well, I'm thinking that Taylor is going to get a 1-on-1 sometimes, and when he does, he can get in the backfield faster than a guy his size has any right to (I saw one report (Wes Bunting?) say that Taylor is basically unblockable 1-on-1). He reminds me of Joseph in that, while he's got a NT's frame, he plays like a 3tech. At the very least he's going to command a double team pretty much every play, which will open up opportunities for somebody else.

I'd love to get Paea too (but that's pretty much understood at this point lol)

nycsportzfan
04-15-2011, 03:23 PM
For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



</p>


I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT</p> Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..

Redeyejedi
04-15-2011, 05:17 PM
For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



</P>


I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT</P>


Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


</P>


Yeah I want a 3 Tech that can get into the backfield. Jarvis Jenkins of Clemson created a ton of Bowers sacks</P>

Neverend
04-15-2011, 05:30 PM
For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



</P>


I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT</P>


Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


</P>


Oh I agree, when I typed that I was specifically thinking about drafting a DT in the 1st round. I like Nevis too, he's explosive and collapses the pocket. His run defense is extremely questionable but at the worst he's a situational pass rusher</P>

Redeyejedi
04-15-2011, 05:57 PM
For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



</P>


I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT</P>


Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


</P>


Oh I agree, when I typed that I was specifically thinking about drafting a DT in the 1st round. I like Nevis too, he's explosive and collapses the pocket. His run defense is extremely questionable but at the worst he's a situational pass rusher</P>


</P>


Im converting the Florida LSU game because I want to make another Nevis and another Pouncey vid. I remember Nevis really embarrasing Florida in that game.</P>

Neverend
04-16-2011, 03:38 AM
For the last few weeks, I've been thinking that the Giants could/should trade back with the Jets if Phil Taylor is still there, because well, they need a new Kris Jenkins, and they're basically the same guy.

But what would you say to the Giants drafting him? He, Joseph, or Canty in the middle would mean roughly 700lbs of big, strong, quick humanity rushing forwards, and could pretty much ensure that the ends get 1 on 1's, a TE/RB block, or a free shot.



</P>


I'm a big phil taylor fan as well, he's slightly growing on me over paea but in the end i feel like the giants need a pass rushing interior presence. someone who has the quickness or burst off the ball to make plays and disrupt the pocket. Taylor has immense strength/bull rush but in the nfl its much harder to excel pass rushing as a DT with just strength alone, you have to have that explosion off the line of scrimmage. If I was a team in need of drafting a DT to shore up run defense i'd absolutely go with taylor though. but thats just me tho, its pretty much debatable whether or not the giants even need a DT</P>


Oh, i think the giants could use a DT, for sure.. With cofield, all but out the door, and Linval being a unknown, and Bernard aging by the yr and also being kinda a dissapointment so far, and canty offering very little playmaking ability from the DT spot, the giants seriously need a pass rush DT, and i for one, would prefer either liuget in RD 1, or Nevis in RD 2or3... I love Linval Joseph, and his potential, but i think hes gonna hopefully grow into a NT type, that on occasion, can get through and get the QB or RB behind the line, and Nevis's skills will mix well with Canty and Linval and Bernard...

Another Run Stuffer who is kinda underrated is Ian Williams of ND.. He'll clog some lanes for a team that needs that..


</P>


Oh I agree, when I typed that I was specifically thinking about drafting a DT in the 1st round. I like Nevis too, he's explosive and collapses the pocket. His run defense is extremely questionable but at the worst he's a situational pass rusher</P>


</P>


Im converting the Florida LSU game because I want to make another Nevis and another Pouncey vid. I remember Nevis really embarrasing Florida in that game.</P>


</P>


Yeah Pouncey had some issues with nevis in that game, pouncey couldnt handlenevisoff theball. </P>

nycsportzfan
04-16-2011, 02:38 PM
I'm really liking Terrell McClain more and more, as the days go by.. The kid comes from, what sounds like, a solid family, and he seems humble enough, but also confident, and is at least smart enough to say all the right things... THe son of a Marine and Navy gal, with bro in college and playing ball, and Sister is a nurse... Hes got the talent, and the solid family foundation and chacrechter.. Theres a reason this one time Sleeper of mine, has continued to see his stock rise... I love em...

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South Florida defensive lineman Terrell McClain isbuilding momentum in
NFL circles following a strong Pro Day workout where he ran the 40-yard
dash in 4.82 and 4.95 seconds.</p>



All but two NFL teams were at the workout. New England Patriots coach
Bill Belichick was there as well as Chicago Bears general manager Jerry
Angelo, coach Lovie Smith and personnel executive Tim Ruskell.</p>



According to an NFL source, McClain's stock is rising into second-round consideration.</p>



He has drawn particular interest from the Bears, Patriots, Cleveland
Browns, Tennessee Titans, Indianapolis Colts, St. Louis Rams, Carolina
Panthers, New Orleans Saints and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.</p>



He spoke with Baltimore Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome during the East-West Shrine all-star game.</p>



The 6-foot-2, 297-pounder was an All-Big East Conference selection,
posting 24 tackles three sacks and 4 1/2 tackles for losses last season.</p>



As a junior, he recorded 25 tackles, 1 1/2 sacks, five tackles for losses, a forced fumble and three quarterback pressures.</p>



McClain was also recruited by Alabama, Auburn, Florida, North Carolina State and South Carolina.</p>



National Football Post recently caught up with McClain for the following interview:</p>



What kind of football player will the team that drafts you be getting?</p>



McClain: An honest player, a great player, a player that's good on the
field and off the field, a player who loves playing the game of
football. I use my quickness to my advantage and I have great leverage
and use my strength well. I want to be known as a player who was a great
person, not just a great player."</p>



What would you like to do after you're drafted?</p>



McClain: "I would like to give back, especially to my family and
community. I have a youngerbrother andan older sister. My brother is
in Mississippi in junior college. My sister is a nurse. My mom is in the
Navy. My dad is a retired Marine."</p>



What did you learn from your parents being in the military?</p>



McClain: "I learned everything from them. I come from a
well-disciplined family. They were always around telling us right and
wrong. I love them to death."</p>



How much did you get double-teamed last season?</p>



McClain: "I got double-teamed a lot. I forget which game, but I had
three people on me early in the season last fall. The coach got on me
for not getting to the ball on one play and another coach said, 'Coach,
he has three guys on him.' At first, he didn't realize it was three
people. I guess you could say they respected me."</p>



How much technique have you learned?</p>



McClain: "It's not difficult. You do little things to make yourself
better, turn your hips, turn your shoulders, split gaps, recognition. I
do it at a high level."</p>



What's your goal as far as where you hope to be drafted?</p>



McClain: "At first, I was just shooting for getting drafted. I would be
happy regardless. I want to go to a good team and have an impact there
and have a great career. I don't want to struggle. I want to have fun."</p>



Do you want to play for the Bears?</p>



McClain: "I definitely wouldn't mind playing for the Bears defense. I
could see myself playing under Rod Marinelli. I shook hands with Lovie
Smith at my Pro Day and introduced myself to him."</p>



Are you concerned about the lockout?</p>



McClain: "Yeah, it isa drag. Hopefully, it will get settled soon.
They'll probably wait until close to the last minute, but you never
know. I'll be ready whenever it's time to play football."</p>

Redeyejedi
04-17-2011, 11:45 AM
Oh my god did U see Newton with Gruden this morning. He basically admitted that Auburn has no NFL verbiage in there offense

Redeyejedi
04-17-2011, 12:56 PM
Did U guys know Vernon Gholstons cousin William is going to be a sophomore at Michigan state.Im watching Michigan State vs Wisconsin to do vids on Greg Jones,JJ Watt, Peter Konz, Jerrel Worthy, and Cousins. I never noticed him before</P>


http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/539194/william-gholston-13jpg-3cd81564e74d1b93_large_large.jpg</P>

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 03:01 PM
Did U guys know Vernon Gholstons cousin William is going to be a sophomore at Michigan state.Im watching Michigan State vs Wisconsin to do vids on Greg Jones,JJ Watt, Peter Konz, Jerrel Worthy, and Cousins. I never noticed him before</p>


http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/539194/william-gholston-13jpg-3cd81564e74d1b93_large_large.jpg</p> yup, i knew Gholston was a spartan....

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 03:14 PM
Heres a Cool read on Ijalana and Stef Wisnewski from Greg Gabriel, whos got 29yrs of scouting and working with some great personal, like Parcells, Bellichick, Reeves, george young, and accorsi.. Another words, when he speaks, i listen...I have been saying, i woulden't right off Ijalana at LT, even though his competiton wasen't the greatest, but when u see him play, u marvel at how domiant he looks, and how good he looks, fundamentally... And how u can not love Wisnewski is beyond me.. I thought before, there was no way in he-l he was going outside of RD 2, but after doing a 4rd draft debacled mock, u really see how hard it is to fit everyone in where u think there values at, and i had him in the beggining of the 3rd, but i pretty much still think hes almost guranteed to go in RD 2... These guys are really good players...







The state of Pennsylvania brings us two very interesting offensive line
prospects this year. They are Ben Ijalana of FCS Villanova and
guard/center Stefan Wisniewski of Penn State. Both of these players
played a lot of football for their schools the last four years and
should be high picks in the draft. Letís break both down.</p>



Ben Ijalana</p>
<p class="co_image co_image_right inline_right">
http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/ijalanaben490.jpg<span>ICON</span>Ben Ijalana started 53 straight games at Villanova.</p>



Ijalana has been a four-year starter at left tackle for Villanova. He
has started 53 straight games which is a testament to his durability and
toughness. This past season he played the last half of the year with a
bilateral sports hernia which was painful and limited his mobility but
still showed his toughness. He was invited to play in the Senior Bowl
this past January but had to turn it down to have the injury repaired.
He was unable to work out at the combine and is just now rounding into
playing shape. Not being able to play in the Senior Bowl hurt him in
eyes of some evaluators because they didnít get a chance to see him play
against top competition. But if the number of visits and private
workouts he has had in the last few weeks is any indication then his
stock is back on the rise.</p>



Ijalana is a bit short for a tackle at 6-3 but he has extremely long
arms (36Ē) that enables him to play like a 6-5 guy. He has good bulk
(317 lbs) and plays with strength and power. He dominated against FCS
competition, making things look easy. He played in a spread offense and
from a 2- and 3-point stance. He has good snap reaction and in the run
game gets to his block with very good quickness. He is strong and
powerful and is consistently able to get movement or put his opponent on
the ground. He has drive in his legs and shows good sustain. He gets to
the second level easily and can adjust to his target. I like the nasty
attitude he plays with. In pass protection he sets quickly and has quick
hands and does a good job keeping his hands inside. He has a strong
punch and I have seen him jolt opponents. In the tape I saw from early
in the year he played with better bend than he did after his injury but
still in all games he had very good ability to anchor. He is athletic
with quick feet and good ability to slide and recover. He can get a
little lazy with his technique but it had no effect on his play versus
FCS competition.</p>



Overall this is a very talented player but still a bit raw. It would
have been nice to see him play at the Senior Bowl but still the talent
is obvious. Some people think he should move inside because of his
height but I donít agree. With his quickness and long arms he should
have no problem playing at tackle. He easily has the athleticism to play
left tackle. He will need some time and coaching but will be a starter
in short time. He is a very solid second-round pick who may slide to the
bottom part of the first. Some team is going to buy itself a good
player!</p>



Stefan Wisniewski</p>
<p class="co_image co_image_right inline_right">
http://cdn.cloudfiles.mosso.com/c1910342/media_center/images/rendered/blog/wysiwyg/Wisniewski.jpgStefan Wisniewski was a three-year starter at Penn State.</p>



When Wisniewski came out of high school there was no question he was
going to Penn State. His father started there as a defensive lineman and
later played for the Colts and his uncle was Steve Wisniewski, the
great former Raiders guard who was also a Penn State alum. With both his
dad and uncle being former NFL players you know he came from good
football bloodlines. As a true freshman he played as a backup and then
became a three-year starter. He played 2008 and 2010 at right guard and
2009 at center. He has been a very durable performer by not missing any
games because of injury the last three years.</p>



He is not the smoothest athlete you will ever see but he is plenty good
enough and is very efficient. He has good size at 6-3 and 313 pounds
and his numbers in all the drills at the Combine compare very favorably
with Mike Pouncey. In the run game he has excellent initial quickness.
He is a strong and explosive run blocker and very technically sound.
Once he gets his hands on an opponent itís all over. He has excellent
sustain. With his power he gets movement and he doesnít stop until the
whistle blows. Penn State pulls their guards more than most teams and he
is a good space player and is consistent adjusting on the move. He is
very similar in the screen game, getting to his blocks on the perimeter
without a problem. In pass protection he gets out of his stance quickly
and gets his hands on his opponent almost instantly. He has a good punch
and locks on. He plays with good knee bend and keeps his back straight
and never gives ground to bull rushers. He has real good mirror ability
showing the agility to stay with opponents versus counter moves. He is
an alert player and does a good job picking up stunts and blitzes and
consistently looks to help out when free.</p>



Overall, Wisniewski will be a starter early in his career. His
experience at both guard and center give him a lot of versatility. He
has good technique, plays the game with a passion and does not make
mistakes. Like Ijalana he has made plenty of visits and had numerous
private workouts. Iím hearing that he should be a sure second-round
pick. This is the type of player you want on your roster!</p>



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Neverend
04-17-2011, 03:22 PM
I love Wisniewski as well. People want to talk about players being perfect, look at that guy. Absolutely zero flaws to his game. Unbelievably technically sound and completely ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL. Unfortunately he's not an amazing athlete as he doesn't have elite strength, agility, and overall athleticism. But, meh, as a center he can get away with those things. Centers generally don't get out and pull a lot nor do they have to be huge or anything. As a guard I can understand why some reports say he's a mid-round prospect.</P>


If his stock is really falling I'd jump at him in the 3rd round</P>

Redeyejedi
04-17-2011, 04:40 PM
I love Wisniewski as well. People want to talk about players being perfect, look at that guy. Absolutely zero flaws to his game. Unbelievably technically sound and completely ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL. Unfortunately he's not an amazing athlete as he doesn't have elite strength, agility, and overall athleticism. But, meh, as a center he can get away with those things. Centers generally don't get out and pull a lot nor do they have to be huge or anything. As a guard I can understand why some reports say he's a mid-round prospect.</P>


If his stock is really falling I'd jump at him in the 3rd round</P>


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Yeah I dont view him as a guard. </P>

Redeyejedi
04-17-2011, 07:00 PM
This is a pretty good vid</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>JJ Watt vs Michigan State</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2q9DIi4m_c) </DIV>