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nycsportzfan
04-18-2011, 09:37 PM
I love Wisniewski as well. People want to talk about players being perfect, look at that guy. Absolutely zero flaws to his game. Unbelievably technically sound and completely ready to start from Day 1 in the NFL. Unfortunately he's not an amazing athlete as he doesn't have elite strength, agility, and overall athleticism. But, meh, as a center he can get away with those things. Centers generally don't get out and pull a lot nor do they have to be huge or anything. As a guard I can understand why some reports say he's a mid-round prospect.</p>


If his stock is really falling I'd jump at him in the 3rd round</p>


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Yeah I dont view him as a guard. </p> I'm with you.. I think hes as good a C prospect as there is, all though, its nice to no, we can slide him to guard, if the situation presented itself, and he woulden't embaress himself...

Redeyejedi
04-19-2011, 11:34 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Justin Blackmon vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp-ENCXvrZY) </DIV>

Redeyejedi
04-20-2011, 06:53 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Corey Liuget vs Missouri</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </DIV>

Neverend
04-20-2011, 01:45 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Corey Liuget vs Missouri</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </DIV>


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Absolutely agree. I tried to watch his game against baylor2 days agoand came away very disappointed. One thing I notice with him is that he starts hot but by the second half he seems winded and is just a complete non factor by the 4th quarter. you also read reports about him having conditioning issues throughout his career until last season which is unsettling. Also as apass rusher I think he's a little average. </P>

Redeyejedi
04-20-2011, 02:34 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Corey Liuget vs Missouri</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </DIV>


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Absolutely agree. I tried to watch his game against baylor2 days agoand came away very disappointed. One thing I notice with him is that he starts hot but by the second half he seems winded and is just a complete non factor by the 4th quarter. you also read reports about him having conditioning issues throughout his career until last season which is unsettling. Also as apass rusher I think he's a little average. </P>


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I see him being mocked as high as #14 and I just dont get it. I just dont see a top of the first round pick . I dont even see a Top 20 pick. There are other guys with similar tape in the 2nd and 3rd round</P>

heavyhitter
04-20-2011, 02:47 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Corey Liuget vs Missouri</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </div>


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Absolutely agree. I tried to watch his game against baylor2 days agoand came away very disappointed. One thing I notice with him is that he starts hot but by the second half he seems winded and is just a complete non factor by the 4th quarter. you also read reports about him having conditioning issues throughout his career until last season which is unsettling. Also as apass rusher I think he's a little average. </p>


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I see him being mocked as high as #14 and I just dont get it. I just dont see a top of the first round pick . I dont even see a Top 20 pick. There are other guys with similar tape in the 2nd and 3rd round</p><font size="3">Marvin Austin &gt; Corey Liuget </font>

BlueSanta
04-20-2011, 02:53 PM
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<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Corey Liuget vs Missouri</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </div>


</p>


Absolutely agree. I tried to watch his game against baylor2 days agoand came away very disappointed. One thing I notice with him is that he starts hot but by the second half he seems winded and is just a complete non factor by the 4th quarter. you also read reports about him having conditioning issues throughout his career until last season which is unsettling. Also as apass rusher I think he's a little average. </p>


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I see him being mocked as high as #14 and I just dont get it. I just dont see a top of the first round pick . I dont even see a Top 20 pick. There are other guys with similar tape in the 2nd and 3rd round</p>

We disagree here. The tape you show there is a bad offense to highlight a DT talent. Illinios spent most that game in a 3 man front.

Try the Ohio state game film where he had a lot more 1v1 matchups and had fantastic gap control.

The teams that see what they like in his film see a player great at controlling the person trying to block him, which is the most valuable thing a DT can do in a 43.

Redeyejedi
04-20-2011, 04:02 PM
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Corey Liuget vs Missouri</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </DIV>


</P>


Absolutely agree. I tried to watch his game against baylor2 days agoand came away very disappointed. One thing I notice with him is that he starts hot but by the second half he seems winded and is just a complete non factor by the 4th quarter. you also read reports about him having conditioning issues throughout his career until last season which is unsettling. Also as apass rusher I think he's a little average. </P>


</P>


I see him being mocked as high as #14 and I just dont get it. I just dont see a top of the first round pick . I dont even see a Top 20 pick. There are other guys with similar tape in the 2nd and 3rd round</P>

We disagree here. The tape you show there is a bad offense to highlight a DT talent. Illinios spent most that game in a 3 man front.

Try the Ohio state game film where he had a lot more 1v1 matchups and had fantastic gap control.

The teams that see what they like in his film see a player great at controlling the person trying to block him, which is the most valuable thing a DT can do in a 43.
Ive watched 5 of his games including that one. I just made this tape yesterday so I was adding a comment with it.I see a starter in the NFL, but a Top 20 pick? I dont like him that high at all

Neverend
04-20-2011, 04:22 PM
Damn I hate this 19th pick, can't remember a draft where I'm so undecided on who the giants should pick. Don't like liuget or wilkerson. Stephen Paea doesnt fit our scheme. Tyron smith will be long gone. etc

heavyhitter
04-20-2011, 04:49 PM
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<a href="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f57ff0/Top-5-Tackles-2010-vs-2011">
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<h3 class="headline">Top 5 Tackles: 2010 vs. 2011 (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f57ff0/Top-5-Tackles-2010-vs-2011)</h3></div><li data-ecmid="09000d5d81f57d3d" class="last">
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<h3 class="headline">Risk vs. reward: O-Linemen (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-path-to-the-draft/09000d5d81f57d3d/Risk-vs-reward-O-Linemen)</h3>
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BlueSanta
04-20-2011, 04:56 PM
not



<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Corey Liuget vs Missouri</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </div>


</p>


Absolutely agree. I tried to watch his game against baylor2 days agoand came away very disappointed. One thing I notice with him is that he starts hot but by the second half he seems winded and is just a complete non factor by the 4th quarter. you also read reports about him having conditioning issues throughout his career until last season which is unsettling. Also as apass rusher I think he's a little average. </p>


</p>


I see him being mocked as high as #14 and I just dont get it. I just dont see a top of the first round pick . I dont even see a Top 20 pick. There are other guys with similar tape in the 2nd and 3rd round</p>

We disagree here. The tape you show there is a bad offense to highlight a DT talent. Illinios spent most that game in a 3 man front.

Try the Ohio state game film where he had a lot more 1v1 matchups and had fantastic gap control.

The teams that see what they like in his film see a player great at controlling the person trying to block him, which is the most valuable thing a DT can do in a 43.
Ive watched 5 of his games including that one. I just made this tape yesterday so I was adding a comment with it.I see a starter in the NFL, but a Top 20 pick? I dont like him that high at all

Well I completely disagree, no biggie tho we just dont see eye to eye on this guy. He isnt a guy who is going to knife through and get sacks as much, but he is a steady pusher up the middle who with balance and thrives in 1v1 situations. I would welcome him on this football team I think he is 1 of the more consistent runstopping DTs in the draft. And, as I said, thats a pretty bad video to highligh him on. A spread offense that barely runs the ball and had the defense in 3 DL situations means he is double teamed all game. People should see his ohio state highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlprPUyKL8M) to get a better idea of what he can do in a typical 43 defense vs good competition.

Raptor22
04-20-2011, 05:26 PM
Damn I hate this 19th pick, can't remember a draft where I'm so undecided on who the giants should pick. Don't like liuget or wilkerson. Stephen Paea doesnt fit our scheme. Tyron smith will be long gone. etc

I'll disagree with Paea not fitting the Giants' scheme. He's a disruptive one-gap penetrater who has the strength to hold up against the run. That's a Giants DT right there.

People keep trying to project him as a nose tackle and he's just not. He doesn't have the mass nor the length to eat up blocks in a 34, and likewise he doesn't have the length to be a 34 end. What he does have is elite strength, leverage and explosion going forward and surprising lateral agility.

GMEN 92
04-20-2011, 05:31 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Corey Liuget vs Missouri</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </DIV>


</P>


Absolutely agree. I tried to watch his game against baylor2 days agoand came away very disappointed. One thing I notice with him is that he starts hot but by the second half he seems winded and is just a complete non factor by the 4th quarter. you also read reports about him having conditioning issues throughout his career until last season which is unsettling. Also as apass rusher I think he's a little average. </P>


</P>


I see him being mocked as high as #14 and I just dont get it. I just dont see a top of the first round pick . I dont even see a Top 20 pick. There are other guys with similar tape in the 2nd and 3rd round</P>


<FONT size=3>Marvin Austin &gt; Corey Liuget </FONT>
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That's the truth!! If Costanzo's gone by 19, I say trade back with a QB hungry team, grab an extra second rounder and pick up Austin.</P>


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titwio
04-20-2011, 05:33 PM
I'm pretty pissed right now....

Looks like I have to serve jury duty starting April 25th.....I've already postponed and now it's mandatory.....

Looks like I'm going to miss out on the draft....(My last football day of the season)....

Oh well...Hope there is a replay on NFLN so I don't have to read about the picks....

GMEN 92
04-20-2011, 05:41 PM
I'm pretty pissed right now.... Looks like I have to serve jury duty starting April 25th.....I've already postponed and now it's mandatory..... Looks like I'm going to miss out on the draft....(My last football day of the season).... Oh well...Hope there is a replay on NFLN so I don't have to read about the picks....</P>


Sucks. I can't think of anything else in sports that gives me the kinda anticipation besides the draft.. Esp. when you've researched guys well through 4-5th rounders, or seeing a guy you wanted get picked just a few slots earlier. Follow from your phone.. I was working last yr and checked MG's twitter for the first round.</P>

BlueSanta
04-20-2011, 05:42 PM
I'm pretty pissed right now....

Looks like I have to serve jury duty starting April 25th.....I've already postponed and now it's mandatory.....

Looks like I'm going to miss out on the draft....(My last football day of the season)....

Oh well...Hope there is a replay on NFLN so I don't have to read about the picks....

ugh, that stinks. Sorry to hear. Just record everything.

Neverend
04-20-2011, 06:02 PM
Damn I hate this 19th pick, can't remember a draft where I'm so undecided on who the giants should pick. Don't like liuget or wilkerson. Stephen Paea doesnt fit our scheme. Tyron smith will be long gone. etc

I'll disagree with Paea not fitting the Giants' scheme. He's a disruptive one-gap penetrater who has the strength to hold up against the run. That's a Giants DT right there.

People keep trying to project him as a nose tackle and he's just not. He doesn't have the mass nor the length to eat up blocks in a 34, and likewise he doesn't have the length to be a 34 end. What he does have is elite strength, leverage and explosion going forward and surprising lateral agility.
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We sort of run a 3-4 scheme as far as principles go. Our scheme is not 1-gap, our lineman dont have the freedom to go up the field and guess gaps to attack like they did under sheridan. Fewell asks his defensive lineman to maintain and control their gap responsibilities. In order to do that you need length and mass like you said andPaea's arms/size are short. I love Paea, I think he has the best film out of all the DTs in this draft class not named Fairley and Dareus, but that size really really hurts him as an option for the giants. But we'll see, I'll be thrilled if we draft him</P>

Redeyejedi
04-20-2011, 07:20 PM
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Corey Liuget vs Missouri</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4v6n-3ILac) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>I put this up last night. Ive watched a good amount of Liuget and I think he is a tad overrated. </DIV>


</P>


Absolutely agree. I tried to watch his game against baylor2 days agoand came away very disappointed. One thing I notice with him is that he starts hot but by the second half he seems winded and is just a complete non factor by the 4th quarter. you also read reports about him having conditioning issues throughout his career until last season which is unsettling. Also as apass rusher I think he's a little average. </P>


</P>


I see him being mocked as high as #14 and I just dont get it. I just dont see a top of the first round pick . I dont even see a Top 20 pick. There are other guys with similar tape in the 2nd and 3rd round</P>




We disagree here. The tape you show there is a bad offense to highlight a DT talent. Illinios spent most that game in a 3 man front.

Try the Ohio state game film where he had a lot more 1v1 matchups and had fantastic gap control.

The teams that see what they like in his film see a player great at controlling the person trying to block him, which is the most valuable thing a DT can do in a 43.
Ive watched 5 of his games including that one. I just made this tape yesterday so I was adding a comment with it.I see a starter in the NFL, but a Top 20 pick? I dont like him that high at all

Well I completely disagree, no biggie tho we just dont see eye to eye on this guy. He isnt a guy who is going to knife through and get sacks as much, but he is a steady pusher up the middle who with balance and thrives in 1v1 situations. I would welcome him on this football team I think he is 1 of the more consistent runstopping DTs in the draft. And, as I said, thats a pretty bad video to highligh him on. A spread offense that barely runs the ball and had the defense in 3 DL situations means he is double teamed all game. People should see his ohio state highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlprPUyKL8M) to get a better idea of what he can do in a typical 43 defense vs good competition.
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Yeah he is a good player but for me if Im getting a DT in the first 20 picks he better make plays behind the line. </P>

nycsportzfan
04-20-2011, 09:08 PM
Damn I hate this 19th pick, can't remember a draft where I'm so undecided on who the giants should pick. Don't like liuget or wilkerson. Stephen Paea doesnt fit our scheme. Tyron smith will be long gone. etc Ya, i feel ya... I actually think theres quite a few finds out there for the taking at 19, but i have pretty much no clue, who its going to be...lol

Redeyejedi
04-20-2011, 09:09 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>Just put it up</DIV>

nycsportzfan
04-20-2011, 09:34 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">Just put it up</div> Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...

Redeyejedi
04-21-2011, 09:02 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Just put it up</DIV>


Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...
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Yeah,He is a real good blitzer. I wouldnt be surprised if he ended up on the Steelers.His stout downhillattacking is tailored made for a 3-4.</P>


U asked for a Egnew vid I cant remember what game it was.Here is this one. Great receiver has the frame to get bigger and be a good blocker but just isnt utilized that way. He is in the slot almost exclusively.</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Michael Egnew vs Illinois and Nebraska</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7vvlMmPxmU) </DIV>

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 12:57 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">Just put it up</div>


Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...
</p>


Yeah,He is a real good blitzer. I wouldnt be surprised if he ended up on the Steelers.His stout downhillattacking is tailored made for a 3-4.</p>


U asked for a Egnew vid I cant remember what game it was.Here is this one. Great receiver has the frame to get bigger and be a good blocker but just isnt utilized that way. He is in the slot almost exclusively.</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Michael Egnew vs Illinois and Nebraska</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7vvlMmPxmU) </div> ya, this guys good.. It was the bowl game, against IOWA, i wanted, but i'm all for these games....

Dude, this is a Highlight video of Ayers, obviously being good plays, if u can't see a 4/3 SLB in this , then i don't know, if your being fair.. This guys moves so free and easy, and look how fast he looks out there, when hes going sideline to sideline, and he punishes rb's when he hits em, they don't go forward, like when Bruce Carter gets in on a play, and especially watch him mirror Kirkendoll against Texas at about 5min 47secs in, and he has other plays as well, but that just is perfect form, and then he comes off em, and makes the play.. This guy can litteraly do it all, and its no wonder so many teams are looking at em, from both 4/3 and 3/4..... You can see why so many people thought he was gonna run better at the Combine, and his versatility is utterly insane.. A stong, physical, athletic LB, that can play in coverege, all though, never will be his best asset, and simply put, makes plays.. This guy will be the playmaker we sorely lack on defense, at the lb positon.... 12minutes worth of 2010 highlights... He does everything in this tape, litteraly, everything....

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BlueSanta
04-22-2011, 01:41 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">Just put it up</div> Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...

He is a good player for sure. I certainly wouldnt mind him on this team. He isjust a plugger.

But, my concern with him isnt exactly with him as much as it is with us. I consider SLB our biggest need not only at LB, but on the whole team. I dunno bout you, but I do not see him capable of playing SLB. I do not think he is tall enough nor do I think he is nearly as effective moving backwards. He really shines in traffic(thats a really good thing for 43 MLB.)

So, if we took him, I would be happy, but only if we also got a guy to fill the SLB position.

What do you think? You think this kid can play OLB. He would be giving up 6+ inches to TEs. That would be hard to overcome in coverage.

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 02:31 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">Just put it up</div> Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...

He is a good player for sure. I certainly wouldnt mind him on this team. He isjust a plugger.

But, my concern with him isnt exactly with him as much as it is with us. I consider SLB our biggest need not only at LB, but on the whole team. I dunno bout you, but I do not see him capable of playing SLB. I do not think he is tall enough nor do I think he is nearly as effective moving backwards. He really shines in traffic(thats a really good thing for 43 MLB.)

So, if we took him, I would be happy, but only if we also got a guy to fill the SLB position.

What do you think? You think this kid can play OLB. He would be giving up 6+ inches to TEs. That would be hard to overcome in coverage.
I think he could definetly come up with some timely plays in pass coverege, based on his being a good "football" player, with very solid instincts... I think guys like Perry Fewell could really could take what he gots, and push it up a notch, and turn him into a player, that eventually you never want to leave... He reminds me of Curtis Lofton, and even if he ends up in the middle, i'm fine with that... I see him as a run stopper, that makes plays sideline to sideling, comes up with big stops and plays in front of him, and comes up with timely plays in coverege, not nessicarly consistently, but timely... I really see Curtis Lofton, when i look at Jones, and you could put jones on the Weakside, when its running downs, and if they audible, i think theres worse players you could have out there then greg jones...

Again, id really like to add Greg Jones and Kj Wright.. Kj wright, like Ayers, is versatile, and has some rush ability, and great length, with kinda that wirey strong build, that can make plays in coverege, all though, not a strong suit, but then again, its not often, guys that big, are real threats in pass coverge... I'm more depending on our secondary for that, and with hopefully, veyr active, athletic LB's, that aren't often out of positon, and known how to find the ball, you can live with that...

I know one thing, i don't want to go searching for some LB, that isn't physical, and sure, can make plays against the pass, all though, no LB is fool proof against pass, and is a real pain in the rear letting ball carriers break there tackles, and simply not doing enough against the pass, to make up for the rest of there short comings, and thats kinda how i feel about Mike Boley so far...

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 02:31 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">Just put it up</div> Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...

He is a good player for sure. I certainly wouldnt mind him on this team. He isjust a plugger.

But, my concern with him isnt exactly with him as much as it is with us. I consider SLB our biggest need not only at LB, but on the whole team. I dunno bout you, but I do not see him capable of playing SLB. I do not think he is tall enough nor do I think he is nearly as effective moving backwards. He really shines in traffic(thats a really good thing for 43 MLB.)

So, if we took him, I would be happy, but only if we also got a guy to fill the SLB position.

What do you think? You think this kid can play OLB. He would be giving up 6+ inches to TEs. That would be hard to overcome in coverage.
I think he could definetly come up with some timely plays in pass coverege, based on his being a good "football" player, with very solid instincts... I think guys like Perry Fewell could really could take what he gots, and push it up a notch, and turn him into a player, that eventually you never want to leave... He reminds me of Curtis Lofton, and even if he ends up in the middle, i'm fine with that... I see him as a run stopper, that makes plays sideline to sideling, comes up with big stops and plays in front of him, and comes up with timely plays in coverege, not nessicarly consistently, but timely... I really see Curtis Lofton, when i look at Jones, and you could put jones on the Weakside, when its running downs, and if they audible, i think theres worse players you could have out there then greg jones...

Again, id really like to add Greg Jones and Kj Wright.. Kj wright, like Ayers, is versatile, and has some rush ability, and great length, with kinda that wirey strong build, that can make plays in coverege, all though, not a strong suit, but then again, its not often, guys that big, are real threats in pass coverge... I'm more depending on our secondary for that, and with hopefully, veyr active, athletic LB's, that aren't often out of positon, and known how to find the ball, you can live with that...

I know one thing, i don't want to go searching for some LB, that isn't physical, and sure, can make plays against the pass, all though, no LB is fool proof against pass, and is a real pain in the rear letting ball carriers break there tackles, and simply not doing enough against the pass, to make up for the rest of there short comings, and thats kinda how i feel about Mike Boley so far...

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 02:44 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">Just put it up</div> Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...

He is a good player for sure. I certainly wouldnt mind him on this team. He isjust a plugger.

But, my concern with him isnt exactly with him as much as it is with us. I consider SLB our biggest need not only at LB, but on the whole team. I dunno bout you, but I do not see him capable of playing SLB. I do not think he is tall enough nor do I think he is nearly as effective moving backwards. He really shines in traffic(thats a really good thing for 43 MLB.)

So, if we took him, I would be happy, but only if we also got a guy to fill the SLB position.

What do you think? You think this kid can play OLB. He would be giving up 6+ inches to TEs. That would be hard to overcome in coverage.


Man, i did a 4rd Draft Debacled draft, and let me tell you, we all think we know where these guys are going, but with teams needing diffrent things, players drop, and some go higher then yo expect, ala torell troup, tj ward, just as 2quick examples, and you'll see guys like brandon ghee drop to round 3, and so on and so fourth, its crazy...

Anyways, my Giants first 4round mock,ended up like this... Again, its very difficult..

1. anthony castanzo ot b.college
2. muhhamed wilkerson dt temple
3. k.j wright slb mississippi st.
4. buster skrine cb chattanooga

Its not my ideal mock, but its not bad...

I ended up with this as our Giants DRAFT, through 4rounds...

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 06:38 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>Just put it up</DIV>


Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...
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Yeah,He is a real good blitzer. I wouldnt be surprised if he ended up on the Steelers.His stout downhillattacking is tailored made for a 3-4.</P>


U asked for a Egnew vid I cant remember what game it was.Here is this one. Great receiver has the frame to get bigger and be a good blocker but just isnt utilized that way. He is in the slot almost exclusively.</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Michael Egnew vs Illinois and Nebraska</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7vvlMmPxmU) </DIV> ya, this guys good.. It was the bowl game, against IOWA, i wanted, but i'm all for these games....

Dude, this is a Highlight video of Ayers, obviously being good plays, if u can't see a 4/3 SLB in this , then i don't know, if your being fair.. This guys moves so free and easy, and look how fast he looks out there, when hes going sideline to sideline, and he punishes rb's when he hits em, they don't go forward, like when Bruce Carter gets in on a play, and especially watch him mirror Kirkendoll against Texas at about 5min 47secs in, and he has other plays as well, but that just is perfect form, and then he comes off em, and makes the play.. This guy can litteraly do it all, and its no wonder so many teams are looking at em, from both 4/3 and 3/4..... You can see why so many people thought he was gonna run better at the Combine, and his versatility is utterly insane.. A stong, physical, athletic LB, that can play in coverege, all though, never will be his best asset, and simply put, makes plays.. This guy will be the playmaker we sorely lack on defense, at the lb positon.... 12minutes worth of 2010 highlights... He does everything in this tape, litteraly, everything....

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I posted this2 U awhile ago because i thought U would of enjoyed it. Its a good vid I wish that these conferences would start putting out there own tapes of highlights and lowlights since they have all the game footage. </P>


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Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 06:53 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </DIV>
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Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...

He is a good player for sure. I certainly wouldnt mind him on this team. He isjust a plugger.

But, my concern with him isnt exactly with him as much as it is with us. I consider SLB our biggest need not only at LB, but on the whole team. I dunno bout you, but I do not see him capable of playing SLB. I do not think he is tall enough nor do I think he is nearly as effective moving backwards. He really shines in traffic(thats a really good thing for 43 MLB.)

So, if we took him, I would be happy, but only if we also got a guy to fill the SLB position.

What do you think? You think this kid can play OLB. He would be giving up 6+ inches to TEs. That would be hard to overcome in coverage.
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He is fine with everything in front of him. He is a downhill LB. He blitzes real well and should make impact plays behind the line.However The added bulk has left him really stiff. His best spot is inside in a 3-4. I still say the Steelersishis best landing spot. I think Jones could be very productive in the right system and does not fit all NFL teams</P>

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 07:24 AM
Looks like Jerry is actually willing to move up and or down in this yrs draft, and said, hes taking best player available, and dosen't care if its Dline, or not.... This draft has so much intrigue, i sure hope we move further down, and gather more picks..
I do think Akeem Ayers, and Mark Ingram are gonna be 2guys looked at... Very exciting, not really being able to fully gage whats going on, i kinda like it, all though, its tough waiting..

<div class="mod-inline video-player full-box"><div id="videoInfo"><h5>On The Clock: Giants</h5><div class="mod-video-tags"><span>Trent Dilfer, Chris Mortensen, and Mel Kiper Jr. preview the Giants 2011 draft</span>Tags: 2011 NFL Draft (http://search.espn.go.com/2011-nfl-draft/video/6), NFL Draft (http://search.espn.go.com/nfl-draft/video/6), Mike Pouncey (http://search.espn.go.com/mike-pouncey/video/6), SportsCenter (http://search.espn.go.com/sportscenter/video/6)</div></div>On The Clock: Giants (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6265631)</div>



EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Jerry Reese says it is a little strange for
free agency to come after the draft in this locked out 2011 offseason.
But the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) general manager strongly reiterated that nothing has changed his approach to the draft. </p>

If the best player on his board is available at 19th overall, Reese is going to draft him regardless of position and need. </p>

"If
a defensive lineman is there at 19, we will be deeper at our defensive
line," Reese said in his pre-draft news conference. "If a good player is
there and he is the highest player on our board, we will be even deeper
on our defensive line. We are going to pick the best player, guys."</p>

The
Giants enter the 2011 draft with their greatest needs at center and
linebacker. The offensive line was decimated by injuries last year and Shaun O'Hara (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2410), Rich Seubert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2885) and Adam Koets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10632) all are coming off of surgeries. All three also happen to be the top three centers on the depth chart. </p><div class="mod-container mod-no-footer mod-inline content-box floatright mod-no-header-footer">
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<div style="width: 207px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 2px;">Who will the Jets select? What about the Giants? With the NFL draft on the horizon, we've got you covered.</div>

<div style="text-align: center; width: 207px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 2px;">NYJ Needs: Offense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6364241) | Defense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6390297)
NYG Needs: Offense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6364422) | Defense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6390587)</div>

<div style="text-align: center; width: 207px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 2px;">Best Picks: NYJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6396208) | NYG (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6392134)</div>

<div style="text-align: center; width: 207px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 2px;">Worst Picks: NYJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6399635) | NYG (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6398588)</div>

<div style="text-align: center; width: 207px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; margin-top: 2px;">'06 Draft: Jets fly (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6400165) | Giants fall (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6404220)</div>

<div style="text-align: center; font-weight: bold; margin-top: 5px; margin-bottom: 2px;">Jets Center (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/jets/draft/center) | Giants Center (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/giants/draft/center)</div>

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That is why many have Florida's guard/center Mike Pouncey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27201/mike-pouncey)
as the player that makes the most sense for the Giants. O'Hara and
Koets are expected to be ready by the season opener but Pouncey would
protect the Giants. </p>

At No. 19, many believe the best value available player will be at offensive line. Boston College tackle Anthony Castonzo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27019/anthony-castonzo) is another top prospect that could be there when the Giants pick. </p>

Even
though the Giants need to improve their linebacker corps, there may not
be an impact linebacker available at that point. The best linebacker
projected to be around at No. 19 is UCLA's Akeem Ayers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27027/akeem-ayers). </p>

"If
there is a good one available at the time, we need to pick him," Reese
said of drafting a linebacker. "If there is a good player that we like
in our window, we will take a stab at him. We are trying to strengthen
every position. Not just linebacker, every position."</p>

Reese said he is open to moving out of No. 19.</p>

"We're
willing to move up, we're willing to move down," Reese said. "If
somebody loves our spot and we don't have our guy there, we will be more
than happy to move down ... or for somebody that we really love and
move up and not give away the farm, we are willing to move up as well.
Every year the draft changes after every pick. It is always high drama
on draft day."</p>

Last year, the Giants used five of their seven draft picks on defense, spending their top two picks on defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13256) and defensive tackle Linval Joseph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13281). They took safety Chad Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13280) in the third before drafting middle linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13354) in the fourth round and linebacker/defensive end Adrian Tracy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13475) in the sixth round. </p>

The year before that, the Giants took linebacker Clint Sintim (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12458) in the second round. Sintim, Dillard and Tracy have yet to prove themselves and Reese said he wants to see more from them.</p>

"We
have a couple of guys that we don't know a lot about," Reese said. "We
want to see what they can do. And Clint Sintim is a guy that we want to
see what he can do. He hasn't played a lot and then he got injured so
that hampered our evaluation of him. We picked this guy in the second
round, we expect this guy to be an impact player for us and right now he
hasn't been able to do that." </p>


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With free agency coming after the draft, Reese might have to protect
himself in case he is not able to fill needs through free agency and in
case any of his own free agents depart. At the moment, teams don't know
who will be unrestricted or restricted free agents, depending on what
the new collective bargaining agreement will be.</p>

Running back Ahmad Bradshaw (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10693), defensive tackle Barry Cofield (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9710), defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9618), wide receiver Steve Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10495) and tight end Kevin Boss (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10596) are among the Giants in that category.</p>


So the Giants could look at adding a running back, tight end, defensive
lineman, safety and corner in the draft. They need more speed and
athleticism to also help out on special teams as well. </p>

The order
of business may be different with free agency coming after the draft,
but the approach remains the same, according to Reese. </p>

"I think
it's just flipped," Reese said. "Still, we go into the draft looking for
the best players available and after the draft, when free agency
starts, we will probably say, 'Let's fill some holes where we feel we
need some help.' "</p>

"You are always cognizant of what your need
is," he added. "Still, if we need a running back, if there's a high
value defensive tackle, we are not going to take a running back just
because we need a running back. We are going to take that high value
defensive tackle or any other position."</p>Ohm Youngmisuk covers the Giants for ESPNNewYork.com

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 08:20 AM
Looks like Jerry is actually willing to move up and or down in this yrs draft, and said, hes taking best player available, and dosen't care if its Dline, or not.... This draft has so much intrigue, i sure hope we move further down, and gather more picks..
I do think Akeem Ayers, and Mark Ingram are gonna be 2guys looked at... Very exciting, not really being able to fully gage whats going on, i kinda like it, all though, its tough waiting..


<DIV class="mod-inline video-player full-box">
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<H5>On The Clock: Giants</H5>
<DIV class=mod-video-tags><SPAN>Trent Dilfer, Chris Mortensen, and Mel Kiper Jr. preview the Giants 2011 draft</SPAN>Tags: 2011 NFL Draft (http://search.espn.go.com/2011-nfl-draft/video/6), NFL Draft (http://search.espn.go.com/nfl-draft/video/6), Mike Pouncey (http://search.espn.go.com/mike-pouncey/video/6), SportsCenter (http://search.espn.go.com/sportscenter/video/6)</DIV></DIV>On The Clock: Giants (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6265631)</DIV>


EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Jerry Reese says it is a little strange for free agency to come after the draft in this locked out 2011 offseason. But the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) general manager strongly reiterated that nothing has changed his approach to the draft. </P>


If the best player on his board is available at 19th overall, Reese is going to draft him regardless of position and need. </P>


"If a defensive lineman is there at 19, we will be deeper at our defensive line," Reese said in his pre-draft news conference. "If a good player is there and he is the highest player on our board, we will be even deeper on our defensive line. We are going to pick the best player, guys."</P>


The Giants enter the 2011 draft with their greatest needs at center and linebacker. The offensive line was decimated by injuries last year and Shaun O'Hara (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2410), Rich Seubert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2885) and Adam Koets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10632) all are coming off of surgeries. All three also happen to be the top three centers on the depth chart. </P>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; WIDTH: 207px; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto; TEXT-ALIGN: center">NYJ Needs: Offense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6364241) | Defense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6390297)
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<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; WIDTH: 207px; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto; TEXT-ALIGN: center">'06 Draft: Jets fly (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6400165) | Giants fall (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6404220)</DIV>
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That is why many have Florida's guard/center Mike Pouncey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27201/mike-pouncey) as the player that makes the most sense for the Giants. O'Hara and Koets are expected to be ready by the season opener but Pouncey would protect the Giants. </P>


At No. 19, many believe the best value available player will be at offensive line. Boston College tackle Anthony Castonzo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27019/anthony-castonzo) is another top prospect that could be there when the Giants pick. </P>


Even though the Giants need to improve their linebacker corps, there may not be an impact linebacker available at that point. The best linebacker projected to be around at No. 19 is UCLA's Akeem Ayers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27027/akeem-ayers). </P>


"If there is a good one available at the time, we need to pick him," Reese said of drafting a linebacker. "If there is a good player that we like in our window, we will take a stab at him. We are trying to strengthen every position. Not just linebacker, every position."</P>


Reese said he is open to moving out of No. 19.</P>


"We're willing to move up, we're willing to move down," Reese said. "If somebody loves our spot and we don't have our guy there, we will be more than happy to move down ... or for somebody that we really love and move up and not give away the farm, we are willing to move up as well. Every year the draft changes after every pick. It is always high drama on draft day."</P>


Last year, the Giants used five of their seven draft picks on defense, spending their top two picks on defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13256) and defensive tackle Linval Joseph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13281). They took safety Chad Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13280) in the third before drafting middle linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13354) in the fourth round and linebacker/defensive end Adrian Tracy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13475) in the sixth round. </P>


The year before that, the Giants took linebacker Clint Sintim (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12458) in the second round. Sintim, Dillard and Tracy have yet to prove themselves and Reese said he wants to see more from them.</P>


"We have a couple of guys that we don't know a lot about," Reese said. "We want to see what they can do. <FONT size=6>And Clint Sintim is a guy that we want to see what he can do. He hasn't played a lot and then he got injured so that hampered our evaluation of him. We picked this guy in the second round, we expect this guy to be an impact player for us and right now he hasn't been able to do that." </FONT></P>


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With free agency coming after the draft, Reese might have to protect himself in case he is not able to fill needs through free agency and in case any of his own free agents depart. At the moment, teams don't know who will be unrestricted or restricted free agents, depending on what the new collective bargaining agreement will be.</P>


Running back Ahmad Bradshaw (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10693), defensive tackle Barry Cofield (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9710), defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9618), wide receiver Steve Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10495) and tight end Kevin Boss (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10596) are among the Giants in that category.</P>


So the Giants could look at adding a running back, tight end, defensive lineman, safety and corner in the draft. They need more speed and athleticism to also help out on special teams as well. </P>


The order of business may be different with free agency coming after the draft, but the approach remains the same, according to Reese. </P>


"I think it's just flipped," Reese said. "Still, we go into the draft looking for the best players available and after the draft, when free agency starts, we will probably say, 'Let's fill some holes where we feel we need some help.' "</P>


"You are always cognizant of what your need is," he added. "Still, if we need a running back, if there's a high value defensive tackle, we are not going to take a running back just because we need a running back. We are going to take that high value defensive tackle or any other position."</P>


Ohm Youngmisuk covers the Giants for ESPNNewYork.com
I hope someone wants one of the QB's and trades into the 19th pick.Im really down on the quality of this draft as I watch more and more games.Non of the rumored players to the Giants really exicte me although none except for Justin Houston bother me either. </P>


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Translation the Giants will not draft a linebacker that can make a difference because they feel they already have them. If they feel the SOLB spot is fine which is nuts by the way I hope they at least draft another Nickel backer in the later rounds to push Boley.</P>

thegreatone
04-22-2011, 08:41 AM
Looks like Jerry is actually willing to move up and or down in this yrs draft, and said, hes taking best player available, and dosen't care if its Dline, or not.... This draft has so much intrigue, i sure hope we move further down, and gather more picks..
I do think Akeem Ayers, and Mark Ingram are gonna be 2guys looked at... Very exciting, not really being able to fully gage whats going on, i kinda like it, all though, its tough waiting..


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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Jerry Reese says it is a little strange for free agency to come after the draft in this locked out 2011 offseason. But the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) general manager strongly reiterated that nothing has changed his approach to the draft. </p>


If the best player on his board is available at 19th overall, Reese is going to draft him regardless of position and need. </p>


"If a defensive lineman is there at 19, we will be deeper at our defensive line," Reese said in his pre-draft news conference. "If a good player is there and he is the highest player on our board, we will be even deeper on our defensive line. We are going to pick the best player, guys."</p>


The Giants enter the 2011 draft with their greatest needs at center and linebacker. The offensive line was decimated by injuries last year and Shaun O'Hara (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2410), Rich Seubert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2885) and Adam Koets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10632) all are coming off of surgeries. All three also happen to be the top three centers on the depth chart. </p>
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<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">NYJ Needs: Offense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6364241) | Defense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6390297)
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<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">Best Picks: NYJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6396208) | NYG (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6392134)</div>
<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">Worst Picks: NYJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6399635) | NYG (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6398588)</div>
<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">'06 Draft: Jets fly (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6400165) | Giants fall (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6404220)</div>
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That is why many have Florida's guard/center Mike Pouncey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27201/mike-pouncey) as the player that makes the most sense for the Giants. O'Hara and Koets are expected to be ready by the season opener but Pouncey would protect the Giants. </p>


At No. 19, many believe the best value available player will be at offensive line. Boston College tackle Anthony Castonzo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27019/anthony-castonzo) is another top prospect that could be there when the Giants pick. </p>


Even though the Giants need to improve their linebacker corps, there may not be an impact linebacker available at that point. The best linebacker projected to be around at No. 19 is UCLA's Akeem Ayers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27027/akeem-ayers). </p>


"If there is a good one available at the time, we need to pick him," Reese said of drafting a linebacker. "If there is a good player that we like in our window, we will take a stab at him. We are trying to strengthen every position. Not just linebacker, every position."</p>


Reese said he is open to moving out of No. 19.</p>


"We're willing to move up, we're willing to move down," Reese said. "If somebody loves our spot and we don't have our guy there, we will be more than happy to move down ... or for somebody that we really love and move up and not give away the farm, we are willing to move up as well. Every year the draft changes after every pick. It is always high drama on draft day."</p>


Last year, the Giants used five of their seven draft picks on defense, spending their top two picks on defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13256) and defensive tackle Linval Joseph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13281). They took safety Chad Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13280) in the third before drafting middle linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13354) in the fourth round and linebacker/defensive end Adrian Tracy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13475) in the sixth round. </p>


The year before that, the Giants took linebacker Clint Sintim (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12458) in the second round. Sintim, Dillard and Tracy have yet to prove themselves and Reese said he wants to see more from them.</p>


"We have a couple of guys that we don't know a lot about," Reese said. "We want to see what they can do. <font size="6">And Clint Sintim is a guy that we want to see what he can do. He hasn't played a lot and then he got injured so that hampered our evaluation of him. We picked this guy in the second round, we expect this guy to be an impact player for us and right now he hasn't been able to do that." </font></p>


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With free agency coming after the draft, Reese might have to protect himself in case he is not able to fill needs through free agency and in case any of his own free agents depart. At the moment, teams don't know who will be unrestricted or restricted free agents, depending on what the new collective bargaining agreement will be.</p>


Running back Ahmad Bradshaw (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10693), defensive tackle Barry Cofield (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9710), defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9618), wide receiver Steve Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10495) and tight end Kevin Boss (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10596) are among the Giants in that category.</p>


So the Giants could look at adding a running back, tight end, defensive lineman, safety and corner in the draft. They need more speed and athleticism to also help out on special teams as well. </p>


The order of business may be different with free agency coming after the draft, but the approach remains the same, according to Reese. </p>


"I think it's just flipped," Reese said. "Still, we go into the draft looking for the best players available and after the draft, when free agency starts, we will probably say, 'Let's fill some holes where we feel we need some help.' "</p>


"You are always cognizant of what your need is," he added. "Still, if we need a running back, if there's a high value defensive tackle, we are not going to take a running back just because we need a running back. We are going to take that high value defensive tackle or any other position."</p>


Ohm Youngmisuk covers the Giants for ESPNNewYork.com
I hope someone wants one of the QB's and trades into the 19th pick.Im really down on the quality of this draft as I watch more and more games.Non of the rumored players to the Giants really exicte me although none except for Justin Houston bother me either. </p>


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Translation the Giants will not draft a linebacker that can make a difference because they feel they already have them. If they feel the SOLB spot is fine which is nuts by the way I hope they at least draft another Nickel backer in the later rounds to push Boley.</p>
cant argue too much with that assesment of sintum IF its true. I mean i thought the guy was healthy enough to play some but what do i know. However if they think our lb corps is fine i have to question the competency of our FO. we can definitely upgrade that position in almost any round in this draft...that is sad.

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 09:29 AM
Looks like Jerry is actually willing to move up and or down in this yrs draft, and said, hes taking best player available, and dosen't care if its Dline, or not.... This draft has so much intrigue, i sure hope we move further down, and gather more picks..
I do think Akeem Ayers, and Mark Ingram are gonna be 2guys looked at... Very exciting, not really being able to fully gage whats going on, i kinda like it, all though, its tough waiting..


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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Jerry Reese says it is a little strange for free agency to come after the draft in this locked out 2011 offseason. But the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) general manager strongly reiterated that nothing has changed his approach to the draft. </P>


If the best player on his board is available at 19th overall, Reese is going to draft him regardless of position and need. </P>


"If a defensive lineman is there at 19, we will be deeper at our defensive line," Reese said in his pre-draft news conference. "If a good player is there and he is the highest player on our board, we will be even deeper on our defensive line. We are going to pick the best player, guys."</P>


The Giants enter the 2011 draft with their greatest needs at center and linebacker. The offensive line was decimated by injuries last year and Shaun O'Hara (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2410), Rich Seubert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2885) and Adam Koets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10632) all are coming off of surgeries. All three also happen to be the top three centers on the depth chart. </P>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; WIDTH: 207px; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto; TEXT-ALIGN: center">NYJ Needs: Offense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6364241) | Defense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6390297)
NYG Needs: Offense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6364422) | Defense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6390587)</DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; WIDTH: 207px; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto; TEXT-ALIGN: center">Worst Picks: NYJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6399635) | NYG (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6398588)</DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: auto; WIDTH: 207px; MARGIN-RIGHT: auto; TEXT-ALIGN: center">'06 Draft: Jets fly (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6400165) | Giants fall (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6404220)</DIV>
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That is why many have Florida's guard/center Mike Pouncey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27201/mike-pouncey) as the player that makes the most sense for the Giants. O'Hara and Koets are expected to be ready by the season opener but Pouncey would protect the Giants. </P>


At No. 19, many believe the best value available player will be at offensive line. Boston College tackle Anthony Castonzo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27019/anthony-castonzo) is another top prospect that could be there when the Giants pick. </P>


Even though the Giants need to improve their linebacker corps, there may not be an impact linebacker available at that point. The best linebacker projected to be around at No. 19 is UCLA's Akeem Ayers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27027/akeem-ayers). </P>


"If there is a good one available at the time, we need to pick him," Reese said of drafting a linebacker. "If there is a good player that we like in our window, we will take a stab at him. We are trying to strengthen every position. Not just linebacker, every position."</P>


Reese said he is open to moving out of No. 19.</P>


"We're willing to move up, we're willing to move down," Reese said. "If somebody loves our spot and we don't have our guy there, we will be more than happy to move down ... or for somebody that we really love and move up and not give away the farm, we are willing to move up as well. Every year the draft changes after every pick. It is always high drama on draft day."</P>


Last year, the Giants used five of their seven draft picks on defense, spending their top two picks on defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13256) and defensive tackle Linval Joseph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13281). They took safety Chad Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13280) in the third before drafting middle linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13354) in the fourth round and linebacker/defensive end Adrian Tracy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13475) in the sixth round. </P>


The year before that, the Giants took linebacker Clint Sintim (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12458) in the second round. Sintim, Dillard and Tracy have yet to prove themselves and Reese said he wants to see more from them.</P>


"We have a couple of guys that we don't know a lot about," Reese said. "We want to see what they can do. <FONT size=6>And Clint Sintim is a guy that we want to see what he can do. He hasn't played a lot and then he got injured so that hampered our evaluation of him. We picked this guy in the second round, we expect this guy to be an impact player for us and right now he hasn't been able to do that." </FONT></P>


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With free agency coming after the draft, Reese might have to protect himself in case he is not able to fill needs through free agency and in case any of his own free agents depart. At the moment, teams don't know who will be unrestricted or restricted free agents, depending on what the new collective bargaining agreement will be.</P>


Running back Ahmad Bradshaw (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10693), defensive tackle Barry Cofield (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9710), defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9618), wide receiver Steve Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10495) and tight end Kevin Boss (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10596) are among the Giants in that category.</P>


So the Giants could look at adding a running back, tight end, defensive lineman, safety and corner in the draft. They need more speed and athleticism to also help out on special teams as well. </P>


The order of business may be different with free agency coming after the draft, but the approach remains the same, according to Reese. </P>


"I think it's just flipped," Reese said. "Still, we go into the draft looking for the best players available and after the draft, when free agency starts, we will probably say, 'Let's fill some holes where we feel we need some help.' "</P>


"You are always cognizant of what your need is," he added. "Still, if we need a running back, if there's a high value defensive tackle, we are not going to take a running back just because we need a running back. We are going to take that high value defensive tackle or any other position."</P>


Ohm Youngmisuk covers the Giants for ESPNNewYork.com
I hope someone wants one of the QB's and trades into the 19th pick.Im really down on the quality of this draft as I watch more and more games.Non of the rumored players to the Giants really exicte me although none except for Justin Houston bother me either. </P>


</P>


Translation the Giants will not draft a linebacker that can make a difference because they feel they already have them. If they feel the SOLB spot is fine which is nuts by the way I hope they at least draft another Nickel backer in the later rounds to push Boley.</P>



cant argue too much with that assesment of sintum IF its true. I mean i thought the guy was healthy enough to play some but what do i know. However if they think our lb corps is fine i have to question the competency of our FO. we can definitely upgrade that position in almost any round in this draft...that is sad.
</P>


Honestly I question there whole organizational idea of what a linebacker should do. The position is changing and the Giants are stuck in the 90's idea of a 4-3 thumperlinebacker. U cant stick nonathletic guys out there and expect to combat the pass heavy teams in the NFC. The Giants have been mauled by those teams the last 2 years giving up 40 points a game to the Eagles,Packers and Saints. If your linebackers can not take away the underneath zone at the very leastU will get destroyed by those teams every time.</P>

thegreatone
04-22-2011, 09:59 AM
Looks like Jerry is actually willing to move up and or down in this yrs draft, and said, hes taking best player available, and dosen't care if its Dline, or not.... This draft has so much intrigue, i sure hope we move further down, and gather more picks..
I do think Akeem Ayers, and Mark Ingram are gonna be 2guys looked at... Very exciting, not really being able to fully gage whats going on, i kinda like it, all though, its tough waiting..


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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Jerry Reese says it is a little strange for free agency to come after the draft in this locked out 2011 offseason. But the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) general manager strongly reiterated that nothing has changed his approach to the draft. </p>


If the best player on his board is available at 19th overall, Reese is going to draft him regardless of position and need. </p>


"If a defensive lineman is there at 19, we will be deeper at our defensive line," Reese said in his pre-draft news conference. "If a good player is there and he is the highest player on our board, we will be even deeper on our defensive line. We are going to pick the best player, guys."</p>


The Giants enter the 2011 draft with their greatest needs at center and linebacker. The offensive line was decimated by injuries last year and Shaun O'Hara (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2410), Rich Seubert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2885) and Adam Koets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10632) all are coming off of surgeries. All three also happen to be the top three centers on the depth chart. </p>
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<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">Worst Picks: NYJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6399635) | NYG (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6398588)</div>
<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">'06 Draft: Jets fly (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6400165) | Giants fall (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6404220)</div>
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That is why many have Florida's guard/center Mike Pouncey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27201/mike-pouncey) as the player that makes the most sense for the Giants. O'Hara and Koets are expected to be ready by the season opener but Pouncey would protect the Giants. </p>


At No. 19, many believe the best value available player will be at offensive line. Boston College tackle Anthony Castonzo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27019/anthony-castonzo) is another top prospect that could be there when the Giants pick. </p>


Even though the Giants need to improve their linebacker corps, there may not be an impact linebacker available at that point. The best linebacker projected to be around at No. 19 is UCLA's Akeem Ayers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27027/akeem-ayers). </p>


"If there is a good one available at the time, we need to pick him," Reese said of drafting a linebacker. "If there is a good player that we like in our window, we will take a stab at him. We are trying to strengthen every position. Not just linebacker, every position."</p>


Reese said he is open to moving out of No. 19.</p>


"We're willing to move up, we're willing to move down," Reese said. "If somebody loves our spot and we don't have our guy there, we will be more than happy to move down ... or for somebody that we really love and move up and not give away the farm, we are willing to move up as well. Every year the draft changes after every pick. It is always high drama on draft day."</p>


Last year, the Giants used five of their seven draft picks on defense, spending their top two picks on defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13256) and defensive tackle Linval Joseph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13281). They took safety Chad Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13280) in the third before drafting middle linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13354) in the fourth round and linebacker/defensive end Adrian Tracy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13475) in the sixth round. </p>


The year before that, the Giants took linebacker Clint Sintim (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12458) in the second round. Sintim, Dillard and Tracy have yet to prove themselves and Reese said he wants to see more from them.</p>


"We have a couple of guys that we don't know a lot about," Reese said. "We want to see what they can do. <font size="6">And Clint Sintim is a guy that we want to see what he can do. He hasn't played a lot and then he got injured so that hampered our evaluation of him. We picked this guy in the second round, we expect this guy to be an impact player for us and right now he hasn't been able to do that." </font></p>


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With free agency coming after the draft, Reese might have to protect himself in case he is not able to fill needs through free agency and in case any of his own free agents depart. At the moment, teams don't know who will be unrestricted or restricted free agents, depending on what the new collective bargaining agreement will be.</p>


Running back Ahmad Bradshaw (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10693), defensive tackle Barry Cofield (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9710), defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9618), wide receiver Steve Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10495) and tight end Kevin Boss (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10596) are among the Giants in that category.</p>


So the Giants could look at adding a running back, tight end, defensive lineman, safety and corner in the draft. They need more speed and athleticism to also help out on special teams as well. </p>


The order of business may be different with free agency coming after the draft, but the approach remains the same, according to Reese. </p>


"I think it's just flipped," Reese said. "Still, we go into the draft looking for the best players available and after the draft, when free agency starts, we will probably say, 'Let's fill some holes where we feel we need some help.' "</p>


"You are always cognizant of what your need is," he added. "Still, if we need a running back, if there's a high value defensive tackle, we are not going to take a running back just because we need a running back. We are going to take that high value defensive tackle or any other position."</p>


Ohm Youngmisuk covers the Giants for ESPNNewYork.com
I hope someone wants one of the QB's and trades into the 19th pick.Im really down on the quality of this draft as I watch more and more games.Non of the rumored players to the Giants really exicte me although none except for Justin Houston bother me either. </p>


</p>


Translation the Giants will not draft a linebacker that can make a difference because they feel they already have them. If they feel the SOLB spot is fine which is nuts by the way I hope they at least draft another Nickel backer in the later rounds to push Boley.</p>



cant argue too much with that assesment of sintum IF its true. I mean i thought the guy was healthy enough to play some but what do i know. However if they think our lb corps is fine i have to question the competency of our FO. we can definitely upgrade that position in almost any round in this draft...that is sad.
</p>


Honestly I question there whole organizational idea of what a linebacker should do. The position is changing and the Giants are stuck in the 90's idea of a 4-3 thumperlinebacker. U cant stick nonathletic guys out there and expect to combat the pass heavy teams in the NFC. The Giants have been mauled by those teams the last 2 years giving up 40 points a game to the Eagles,Packers and Saints. If your linebackers can not take away the underneath zone at the very leastU will get destroyed by those teams every time.</p>good point and i agree. is one reason im so high on the UNC lb'rs. Unfortunately they are probably looking more at a greg jones, which i like, but would rather have a better pass defender.

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 11:50 AM
2012 Vids</P>


<FONT color=#0033cc>Shayne Skov vs Notre Dame</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieo_ansbJmA)</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Chase Thomas vs Notre Dame</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv5dqmp-yho) </DIV>

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 12:19 PM
Looks like Jerry is actually willing to move up and or down in this yrs draft, and said, hes taking best player available, and dosen't care if its Dline, or not.... This draft has so much intrigue, i sure hope we move further down, and gather more picks..
I do think Akeem Ayers, and Mark Ingram are gonna be 2guys looked at... Very exciting, not really being able to fully gage whats going on, i kinda like it, all though, its tough waiting..


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EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- Jerry Reese says it is a little strange for free agency to come after the draft in this locked out 2011 offseason. But the New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants) general manager strongly reiterated that nothing has changed his approach to the draft. </p>


If the best player on his board is available at 19th overall, Reese is going to draft him regardless of position and need. </p>


"If a defensive lineman is there at 19, we will be deeper at our defensive line," Reese said in his pre-draft news conference. "If a good player is there and he is the highest player on our board, we will be even deeper on our defensive line. We are going to pick the best player, guys."</p>


The Giants enter the 2011 draft with their greatest needs at center and linebacker. The offensive line was decimated by injuries last year and Shaun O'Hara (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2410), Rich Seubert (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2885) and Adam Koets (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10632) all are coming off of surgeries. All three also happen to be the top three centers on the depth chart. </p>
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<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">NYJ Needs: Offense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6364241) | Defense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6390297)
NYG Needs: Offense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6364422) | Defense (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6390587)</div>
<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">Best Picks: NYJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6396208) | NYG (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6392134)</div>
<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">Worst Picks: NYJ (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6399635) | NYG (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6398588)</div>
<div style="margin-top: 2px; margin-left: auto; width: 207px; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;">'06 Draft: Jets fly (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=cimini_rich&amp;id=6400165) | Giants fall (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/columns/story?columnist=youngmisuk_ohm&amp;id=6404220)</div>
<div style="margin-top: 5px; font-weight: bold; margin-bottom: 2px; text-align: center;">Jets Center (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/jets/draft/center) | Giants Center (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/giants/draft/center)</div></div></div>


That is why many have Florida's guard/center Mike Pouncey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27201/mike-pouncey) as the player that makes the most sense for the Giants. O'Hara and Koets are expected to be ready by the season opener but Pouncey would protect the Giants. </p>


At No. 19, many believe the best value available player will be at offensive line. Boston College tackle Anthony Castonzo (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27019/anthony-castonzo) is another top prospect that could be there when the Giants pick. </p>


Even though the Giants need to improve their linebacker corps, there may not be an impact linebacker available at that point. The best linebacker projected to be around at No. 19 is UCLA's Akeem Ayers (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27027/akeem-ayers). </p>


"If there is a good one available at the time, we need to pick him," Reese said of drafting a linebacker. "If there is a good player that we like in our window, we will take a stab at him. We are trying to strengthen every position. Not just linebacker, every position."</p>


Reese said he is open to moving out of No. 19.</p>


"We're willing to move up, we're willing to move down," Reese said. "If somebody loves our spot and we don't have our guy there, we will be more than happy to move down ... or for somebody that we really love and move up and not give away the farm, we are willing to move up as well. Every year the draft changes after every pick. It is always high drama on draft day."</p>


Last year, the Giants used five of their seven draft picks on defense, spending their top two picks on defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13256) and defensive tackle Linval Joseph (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13281). They took safety Chad Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13280) in the third before drafting middle linebacker Phillip Dillard (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13354) in the fourth round and linebacker/defensive end Adrian Tracy (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=13475) in the sixth round. </p>


The year before that, the Giants took linebacker Clint Sintim (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=12458) in the second round. Sintim, Dillard and Tracy have yet to prove themselves and Reese said he wants to see more from them.</p>


"We have a couple of guys that we don't know a lot about," Reese said. "We want to see what they can do. <font size="6">And Clint Sintim is a guy that we want to see what he can do. He hasn't played a lot and then he got injured so that hampered our evaluation of him. We picked this guy in the second round, we expect this guy to be an impact player for us and right now he hasn't been able to do that." </font></p>


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With free agency coming after the draft, Reese might have to protect himself in case he is not able to fill needs through free agency and in case any of his own free agents depart. At the moment, teams don't know who will be unrestricted or restricted free agents, depending on what the new collective bargaining agreement will be.</p>


Running back Ahmad Bradshaw (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10693), defensive tackle Barry Cofield (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9710), defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9618), wide receiver Steve Smith (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10495) and tight end Kevin Boss (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=10596) are among the Giants in that category.</p>


So the Giants could look at adding a running back, tight end, defensive lineman, safety and corner in the draft. They need more speed and athleticism to also help out on special teams as well. </p>


The order of business may be different with free agency coming after the draft, but the approach remains the same, according to Reese. </p>


"I think it's just flipped," Reese said. "Still, we go into the draft looking for the best players available and after the draft, when free agency starts, we will probably say, 'Let's fill some holes where we feel we need some help.' "</p>


"You are always cognizant of what your need is," he added. "Still, if we need a running back, if there's a high value defensive tackle, we are not going to take a running back just because we need a running back. We are going to take that high value defensive tackle or any other position."</p>


Ohm Youngmisuk covers the Giants for ESPNNewYork.com
I hope someone wants one of the QB's and trades into the 19th pick.Im really down on the quality of this draft as I watch more and more games.Non of the rumored players to the Giants really exicte me although none except for Justin Houston bother me either. </p>


</p>


Translation the Giants will not draft a linebacker that can make a difference because they feel they already have them. If they feel the SOLB spot is fine which is nuts by the way I hope they at least draft another Nickel backer in the later rounds to push Boley.</p>



cant argue too much with that assesment of sintum IF its true. I mean i thought the guy was healthy enough to play some but what do i know. However if they think our lb corps is fine i have to question the competency of our FO. we can definitely upgrade that position in almost any round in this draft...that is sad.
</p>


Honestly I question there whole organizational idea of what a linebacker should do. The position is changing and the Giants are stuck in the 90's idea of a 4-3 thumperlinebacker. U cant stick nonathletic guys out there and expect to combat the pass heavy teams in the NFC. The Giants have been mauled by those teams the last 2 years giving up 40 points a game to the Eagles,Packers and Saints. If your linebackers can not take away the underneath zone at the very leastU will get destroyed by those teams every time.</p> Did you guys forget we gave micahel boley 30mill to come over here and help in that area, and he hasen't???

slipknottin
04-22-2011, 12:20 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed.

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 12:42 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 01:59 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....
Well more than 1 would be nice

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 02:43 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title>More 2012, My second safety vid</DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Harrison Smith vs Stanford and Miami</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNzJLyu_G4) </DIV>

BlueSanta
04-22-2011, 03:35 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
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Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...

He is a good player for sure. I certainly wouldnt mind him on this team. He isjust a plugger.

But, my concern with him isnt exactly with him as much as it is with us. I consider SLB our biggest need not only at LB, but on the whole team. I dunno bout you, but I do not see him capable of playing SLB. I do not think he is tall enough nor do I think he is nearly as effective moving backwards. He really shines in traffic(thats a really good thing for 43 MLB.)

So, if we took him, I would be happy, but only if we also got a guy to fill the SLB position.

What do you think? You think this kid can play OLB. He would be giving up 6+ inches to TEs. That would be hard to overcome in coverage.
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He is fine with everything in front of him. He is a downhill LB. He blitzes real well and should make impact plays behind the line.However The added bulk has left him really stiff. His best spot is inside in a 3-4. I still say the Steelersishis best landing spot. I think Jones could be very productive in the right system and does not fit all NFL teams</p>
Ya thats my point. I love him in traffic. I love him as a stout MLB. But, we have a MUCH bigger need right now at SLB and that, he is not. So taking him would be a value pick over a need pick. it wouldnt bother me at all, because he is so good at what he does, I just dont think we can ignore the glaring need at SLB for very long in this draft. There just arent that many guys that can contribute early as a SLB in this class.

KJ wright , on the other hand, could be both value and need. In my opinion, there are 3 guys in this draft who can legitimately step in and help us at SLB: Ayers, Carter(although injury may prevent immediate help) and Wright. Anyone else is going to be a work in progress for that position. There are guys who could end up very good, but they arent going to do it right away. We need right away, especially considering the potential lack of an offseason camp to learn the position.

Raptor22
04-22-2011, 03:51 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">Just put it up</div>


Great Vid... I really think Greg Jones is on the giants radar... Hes just so darn active, even on some of the tape, when hes not making the play, hes right around it, and in solid positon... Sure, theres some weaknesses, but there is for every player, that is the type of LB i would like to see... U put him on our team in RD 2or3, and add say, KJ Wright or Akeem Ayers for the SLB positon,and watch out...

He is a good player for sure. I certainly wouldnt mind him on this team. He isjust a plugger.

But, my concern with him isnt exactly with him as much as it is with us. I consider SLB our biggest need not only at LB, but on the whole team. I dunno bout you, but I do not see him capable of playing SLB. I do not think he is tall enough nor do I think he is nearly as effective moving backwards. He really shines in traffic(thats a really good thing for 43 MLB.)

So, if we took him, I would be happy, but only if we also got a guy to fill the SLB position.

What do you think? You think this kid can play OLB. He would be giving up 6+ inches to TEs. That would be hard to overcome in coverage.
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He is fine with everything in front of him. He is a downhill LB. He blitzes real well and should make impact plays behind the line.However The added bulk has left him really stiff. His best spot is inside in a 3-4. I still say the Steelersishis best landing spot. I think Jones could be very productive in the right system and does not fit all NFL teams</p>
Ya thats my point. I love him in traffic. I love him as a stout MLB. But, we have a MUCH bigger need right now at SLB and that, he is not. So taking him would be a value pick over a need pick. it wouldnt bother me at all, because he is so good at what he does, I just dont think we can ignore the glaring need at SLB for very long in this draft. There just arent that many guys that can contribute early as a SLB in this class.

KJ wright , on the other hand, could be both value and need. In my opinion, there are 3 guys in this draft who can legitimately step in and help us at SLB: Ayers, Carter(although injury may prevent immediate help) and Wright. Anyone else is going to be a work in progress for that position. There are guys who could end up very good, but they arent going to do it right away. We need right away, especially considering the potential lack of an offseason camp to learn the position.


Personally, I like Carter the most out of those three... Mostly because A) his ST abilities, and B) he can step in and make an impact at SLB, but if Sintim or Tracy step up, he can slide over to WILL if they decide not to resign Boley.

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 05:03 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....
Well more than 1 would be nice Hey, i agree to a point, all though, i believe its scheme and coaching that will have our LB"s succeed in pass coverege more then anything, and if we cover with our cover spots, like CB and S, consistently, and get some consistent pass rush, you'll notice our LB;s looking better... I don't think theres a chance greg jones goes to a 3/4 team, i see him as a MLB or WLB, or swing LB, that can do either, depending on the down and area of field, in a 4/3....

Raptor22
04-22-2011, 05:20 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....
Well more than 1 would be nice Hey, i agree to a point, all though, i believe its scheme and coaching that will have our LB"s succeed in pass coverege more then anything, and if we cover with our cover spots, like CB and S, consistently, and get some consistent pass rush, you'll notice our LB;s looking better... I don't think theres a chance greg jones goes to a 3/4 team, i see him as a MLB or WLB, or swing LB, that can do either, depending on the down and area of field, in a 4/3....




That's how I see him (and Nate Irving) too. In Fewell's scheme, I think either one would play WILL for most downs, then switch to MIKE in the 3S-set (Goff would go out, and we'd still have a MIKE, pick up some in pass coverage, not lose much in run D, and have a good blitzer inside).

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 05:43 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....
Well more than 1 would be nice Hey, i agree to a point, all though, i believe its scheme and coaching that will have our LB"s succeed in pass coverege more then anything, and if we cover with our cover spots, like CB and S, consistently, and get some consistent pass rush, you'll notice our LB;s looking better... I don't think theres a chance greg jones goes to a 3/4 team, i see him as a MLB or WLB, or swing LB, that can do either, depending on the down and area of field, in a 4/3....


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Depends on the team , He is very stiff for a WLBand he is not good in space.He moved much better last year.3-4 /4-3doesnt really matter its more on how they are used. I mentioned the Steelers because of his skill set but he doesnt fit all 3-4 teams either.Jones doesnt move side to side or backwards well. He attacksthe run and QB very well. If the play is in front of him he is in good shape.U could put him at MLB and pull him off the field in passing situations or let him attack the QB because he blitzes real well.Its one of my favorite things about him. Jones in between the hash marks maybe the best LB prospect in the draft but outside of them he gets exposed. He has trouble defending cut back runners andwhen a runner gets to the corner he isnt going to make the play.Jones stiffness will be exposed in coverage as well. He wont be able to stick with backs or TE's. He doesnt drop deep enough into his drops as well. Jones is intriguing because he makes negative plays which is always a good thing. His blitzing is also a nice plus. The thing I keep coming back to though is beating the Eagles. Is Greg Jones the right MLB to contain Vick and Mccoy?</P>

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 06:04 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>

nevada11
04-22-2011, 06:50 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>


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Where did you get that game anyway</P>

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 06:54 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</div>


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Where did you get that game anyway</p> i watched this game live, mikel leshoure was outta this world....

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 06:56 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>


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Where did you get that game anyway</P>


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Megaupload, Im working on Liuget now</P>

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 07:01 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....
Well more than 1 would be nice Hey, i agree to a point, all though, i believe its scheme and coaching that will have our LB"s succeed in pass coverege more then anything, and if we cover with our cover spots, like CB and S, consistently, and get some consistent pass rush, you'll notice our LB;s looking better... I don't think theres a chance greg jones goes to a 3/4 team, i see him as a MLB or WLB, or swing LB, that can do either, depending on the down and area of field, in a 4/3....


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Depends on the team , He is very stiff for a WLBand he is not good in space.He moved much better last year.3-4 /4-3doesnt really matter its more on how they are used. I mentioned the Steelers because of his skill set but he doesnt fit all 3-4 teams either.Jones doesnt move side to side or backwards well. He attacksthe run and QB very well. If the play is in front of him he is in good shape.U could put him at MLB and pull him off the field in passing situations or let him attack the QB because he blitzes real well.Its one of my favorite things about him. Jones in between the hash marks maybe the best LB prospect in the draft but outside of them he gets exposed. He has trouble defending cut back runners andwhen a runner gets to the corner he isnt going to make the play.Jones stiffness will be exposed in coverage as well. He wont be able to stick with backs or TE's. He doesnt drop deep enough into his drops as well. Jones is intriguing because he makes negative plays which is always a good thing. His blitzing is also a nice plus. The thing I keep coming back to though is beating the Eagles. Is Greg Jones the right MLB to contain Vick and Mccoy?</p> He makes more plays going after RB's that are trying to get the corner, then is lead on, thats for sure... I guess, its not his strength, but i think sometimes, with these guys, they get labeled by someone, and it sticks... I don't think hes gonna have much of a problem, judging from what i've seen, getting after guys trying to hit the corner, he finds the ball really well, and is like a missle when hes in pursuit, and wills his way to the ball carrier.. He is a LB, and a talented RB will make him look silly from time to time, but this is one guy, i don't think gets full credit, for his ability... I've seen him with my own eyes, make a ton of plays going toward the corner, not just up the middle.... If anything, he miss's on some of those plays, because he gets outta control, mainly, because hes hustling, and is trying to kill the ball carrier or reciver.. Hes actually not bad at taking TE's or RBs in a short area, another thing, u woulden't know, unless you watch him... He moves well, and isn't that stiff, in my opinion.. A real tough guy, in this draft... He flat out gets it done.. I don't think hes gonna be asked to blitz as much in the pros, and you'll totally see what i'm talking about on a more consistent basis....

Hes gonna be a good all around LB, in my opinion, a real leader, that makes big plays all over the place....

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 07:20 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....
Well more than 1 would be nice Hey, i agree to a point, all though, i believe its scheme and coaching that will have our LB"s succeed in pass coverege more then anything, and if we cover with our cover spots, like CB and S, consistently, and get some consistent pass rush, you'll notice our LB;s looking better... I don't think theres a chance greg jones goes to a 3/4 team, i see him as a MLB or WLB, or swing LB, that can do either, depending on the down and area of field, in a 4/3....


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Depends on the team , He is very stiff for a WLBand he is not good in space.He moved much better last year.3-4 /4-3doesnt really matter its more on how they are used. I mentioned the Steelers because of his skill set but he doesnt fit all 3-4 teams either.Jones doesnt move side to side or backwards well. He attacksthe run and QB very well. If the play is in front of him he is in good shape.U could put him at MLB and pull him off the field in passing situations or let him attack the QB because he blitzes real well.Its one of my favorite things about him. Jones in between the hash marks maybe the best LB prospect in the draft but outside of them he gets exposed. He has trouble defending cut back runners andwhen a runner gets to the corner he isnt going to make the play.Jones stiffness will be exposed in coverage as well. He wont be able to stick with backs or TE's. He doesnt drop deep enough into his drops as well. Jones is intriguing because he makes negative plays which is always a good thing. His blitzing is also a nice plus. The thing I keep coming back to though is beating the Eagles. Is Greg Jones the right MLB to contain Vick and Mccoy?</P>


He makes more plays going after RB's that are trying to get the corner, then is lead on, thats for sure... I guess, its not his strength, but i think sometimes, with these guys, they get labeled by someone, and it sticks... I don't think hes gonna have much of a problem, judging from what i've seen, getting after guys trying to hit the corner, he finds the ball really well, and is like a missle when hes in pursuit, and wills his way to the ball carrier.. He is a LB, and a talented RB will make him look silly from time to time, but this is one guy, i don't think gets full credit, for his ability... I've seen him with my own eyes, make a ton of plays going toward the corner, not just up the middle.... If anything, he miss's on some of those plays, because he gets outta control, mainly, because hes hustling, and is trying to kill the ball carrier or reciver.. <FONT size=5>Hes actually not bad at taking TE's or RBs in a short area, another thing, u woulden't know, unless you watch him</FONT>... He moves well, and isn't that stiff, in my opinion.. A real tough guy, in this draft... He flat out gets it done.. I don't think hes gonna be asked to blitz as much in the pros, and you'll totally see what i'm talking about on a more consistent basis....

Hes gonna be a good all around LB, in my opinion, a real leader, that makes big plays all over the place....
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Are u suggesting I dont watch him I make videos of these players. Jones gets beat to the corner consistently by backs and any play that isnt within the hash marks going forward doesnt end well for him. Michigan state is very conscious of his limitations and protects him. There are some things I like about Jones and some not so much. I really dont know how U can say he isnt stiff. Ever since he added that weight his fluidity is not as good. I do believe Jones will succeed in the NFL though. He makes to many plays within the hashmarks not 2. Im not sure why a team wouldnt want to use Jones as a Blitzer. He disguises and times them very well. If all your saying he isnt going to blitz as much as he did at Michigan state well thats probably true they used him constantly in that manner.</P>

nycsportzfan
04-22-2011, 07:45 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....
Well more than 1 would be nice Hey, i agree to a point, all though, i believe its scheme and coaching that will have our LB"s succeed in pass coverege more then anything, and if we cover with our cover spots, like CB and S, consistently, and get some consistent pass rush, you'll notice our LB;s looking better... I don't think theres a chance greg jones goes to a 3/4 team, i see him as a MLB or WLB, or swing LB, that can do either, depending on the down and area of field, in a 4/3....


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Depends on the team , He is very stiff for a WLBand he is not good in space.He moved much better last year.3-4 /4-3doesnt really matter its more on how they are used. I mentioned the Steelers because of his skill set but he doesnt fit all 3-4 teams either.Jones doesnt move side to side or backwards well. He attacksthe run and QB very well. If the play is in front of him he is in good shape.U could put him at MLB and pull him off the field in passing situations or let him attack the QB because he blitzes real well.Its one of my favorite things about him. Jones in between the hash marks maybe the best LB prospect in the draft but outside of them he gets exposed. He has trouble defending cut back runners andwhen a runner gets to the corner he isnt going to make the play.Jones stiffness will be exposed in coverage as well. He wont be able to stick with backs or TE's. He doesnt drop deep enough into his drops as well. Jones is intriguing because he makes negative plays which is always a good thing. His blitzing is also a nice plus. The thing I keep coming back to though is beating the Eagles. Is Greg Jones the right MLB to contain Vick and Mccoy?</p>


He makes more plays going after RB's that are trying to get the corner, then is lead on, thats for sure... I guess, its not his strength, but i think sometimes, with these guys, they get labeled by someone, and it sticks... I don't think hes gonna have much of a problem, judging from what i've seen, getting after guys trying to hit the corner, he finds the ball really well, and is like a missle when hes in pursuit, and wills his way to the ball carrier.. He is a LB, and a talented RB will make him look silly from time to time, but this is one guy, i don't think gets full credit, for his ability... I've seen him with my own eyes, make a ton of plays going toward the corner, not just up the middle.... If anything, he miss's on some of those plays, because he gets outta control, mainly, because hes hustling, and is trying to kill the ball carrier or reciver.. <font size="5">Hes actually not bad at taking TE's or RBs in a short area, another thing, u woulden't know, unless you watch him</font>... He moves well, and isn't that stiff, in my opinion.. A real tough guy, in this draft... He flat out gets it done.. I don't think hes gonna be asked to blitz as much in the pros, and you'll totally see what i'm talking about on a more consistent basis....

Hes gonna be a good all around LB, in my opinion, a real leader, that makes big plays all over the place....
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Are u suggesting I dont watch him I make videos of these players. Jones gets beat to the corner consistently by backs and any play that isnt within the hash marks going forward doesnt end well for him. Michigan state is very conscious of his limitations and protects him. There are some things I like about Jones and some not so much. I really dont know how U can say he isnt stiff. Ever since he added that weight his fluidity is not as good. I do believe Jones will succeed in the NFL though. He makes to many plays within the hashmarks not 2. Im not sure why a team wouldnt want to use Jones as a Blitzer. He disguises and times them very well. If all your saying he isnt going to blitz as much as he did at Michigan state well thats probably true they used him constantly in that manner.</p> Thats to funny.. I almost made another post, stating, that i didn't mean you personally don't watch Jones play, but in general, but i was like, "nah, theres no way someone can take it that way"...lol I knew, i should of just wrote the post, stating i didn't mean you...lol

I do think he'll be used blitzing, just not as much as in College, where its alot easier to blitz against guys who will be working in a office at this time next yr... I tried finding some more tape on him, on line, but coulden't.. Go pull up him VS Iowa, he must of made 3or 4 tackles going to the sideline, and same with Northwestern...I've seen him do it, and do it well... hes asked to blitz all the time, becasue hes good at it, and its tough to stop when someones good at something in college, in the pro's, they'll mix it up with him, and he'll do other things, to try and disguise when he does blitz... I see em as a 3down LB, that can cover a te or rb in a short area, and make plays all over the place....

Redeyejedi
04-22-2011, 08:00 PM
Boley got 25 mil, and 11 guaranteed. Ok, 25million, i was rounding off.. Jesus! No kidding its not all guranteed, the point is they gave em alot of money, do u even get the point? The point is they brought him in to get a more active LB, who can excel in coverege, and hes been just "ok"... The point is, there not ignoring finding LB's that can play in space, there big money WLB, just hasen't lived quite up to his billing....
Well more than 1 would be nice Hey, i agree to a point, all though, i believe its scheme and coaching that will have our LB"s succeed in pass coverege more then anything, and if we cover with our cover spots, like CB and S, consistently, and get some consistent pass rush, you'll notice our LB;s looking better... I don't think theres a chance greg jones goes to a 3/4 team, i see him as a MLB or WLB, or swing LB, that can do either, depending on the down and area of field, in a 4/3....


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Depends on the team , He is very stiff for a WLBand he is not good in space.He moved much better last year.3-4 /4-3doesnt really matter its more on how they are used. I mentioned the Steelers because of his skill set but he doesnt fit all 3-4 teams either.Jones doesnt move side to side or backwards well. He attacksthe run and QB very well. If the play is in front of him he is in good shape.U could put him at MLB and pull him off the field in passing situations or let him attack the QB because he blitzes real well.Its one of my favorite things about him. Jones in between the hash marks maybe the best LB prospect in the draft but outside of them he gets exposed. He has trouble defending cut back runners andwhen a runner gets to the corner he isnt going to make the play.Jones stiffness will be exposed in coverage as well. He wont be able to stick with backs or TE's. He doesnt drop deep enough into his drops as well. Jones is intriguing because he makes negative plays which is always a good thing. His blitzing is also a nice plus. The thing I keep coming back to though is beating the Eagles. Is Greg Jones the right MLB to contain Vick and Mccoy?</P>


He makes more plays going after RB's that are trying to get the corner, then is lead on, thats for sure... I guess, its not his strength, but i think sometimes, with these guys, they get labeled by someone, and it sticks... I don't think hes gonna have much of a problem, judging from what i've seen, getting after guys trying to hit the corner, he finds the ball really well, and is like a missle when hes in pursuit, and wills his way to the ball carrier.. He is a LB, and a talented RB will make him look silly from time to time, but this is one guy, i don't think gets full credit, for his ability... I've seen him with my own eyes, make a ton of plays going toward the corner, not just up the middle.... If anything, he miss's on some of those plays, because he gets outta control, mainly, because hes hustling, and is trying to kill the ball carrier or reciver.. <FONT size=5>Hes actually not bad at taking TE's or RBs in a short area, another thing, u woulden't know, unless you watch him</FONT>... He moves well, and isn't that stiff, in my opinion.. A real tough guy, in this draft... He flat out gets it done.. I don't think hes gonna be asked to blitz as much in the pros, and you'll totally see what i'm talking about on a more consistent basis....

Hes gonna be a good all around LB, in my opinion, a real leader, that makes big plays all over the place....
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Are u suggesting I dont watch him I make videos of these players. Jones gets beat to the corner consistently by backs and any play that isnt within the hash marks going forward doesnt end well for him. Michigan state is very conscious of his limitations and protects him. There are some things I like about Jones and some not so much. I really dont know how U can say he isnt stiff. Ever since he added that weight his fluidity is not as good. I do believe Jones will succeed in the NFL though. He makes to many plays within the hashmarks not 2. Im not sure why a team wouldnt want to use Jones as a Blitzer. He disguises and times them very well. If all your saying he isnt going to blitz as much as he did at Michigan state well thats probably true they used him constantly in that manner.</P>


Thats to funny.. I almost made another post, stating, that i didn't mean you personally don't watch Jones play, but in general, but i was like, "nah, theres no way someone can take it that way"...lol I knew, i should of just wrote the post, stating i didn't mean you...lol

I do think he'll be used blitzing, just not as much as in College, where its alot easier to blitz against guys who will be working in a office at this time next yr... I tried finding some more tape on him, on line, but coulden't.. Go pull up him VS Iowa, he must of made 3or 4 tackles going to the sideline, and same with Northwestern...I've seen him do it, and do it well... hes asked to blitz all the time, becasue hes good at it, and its tough to stop when someones good at something in college, in the pro's, they'll mix it up with him, and he'll do other things, to try and disguise when he does blitz... I see em as a 3down LB, that can cover a te or rb in a short area, and make plays all over the place....
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They will for sure blitz him less in the NFL. State blitzed him the majority of the time in passing situations. I do like Greg Jones as a prospectIm just fixated on beating the Eagles . The Giants need to get faster players that can change direction quickly at LB or another big safety like Chad Jonesto combat them and teams like them. I really cant stand another loss to them. Im so sick of watching 40 spots get put up against this team every time they play someone with multiple weapons. I really want a cornerback first and foremost and im going to be completly disappointed if we dont come away with one early in the draft</P>

Redeyejedi
04-23-2011, 08:40 AM
No comment on the Harrison Smith vid Sportzfan I thought for sure with your love for ND u would of watched it. </P>


Its funny he isnt really talked about as one of the top safeties in the 2012 draft. Scout had a list of the Top 15 free safeties and he was 13th. Dude is good for 10 tackles a game, He hits hard, he picks off passes "Even if there thrown god awful by JacoryPlease Feed me Harris"and on the tapes I have didnt get beat in man coverage. I admit there were some plays he was a step slow in reacting to the QB to make a play in Cover 2 but there were way more good plays then bad. Im just mad on the vid I forgot to put the Pitt game where he had 11 tackles and a pick because I have those plays scribed as well.</P>

Neverend
04-23-2011, 06:47 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>


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Hey redeye, do you still do requests from people or just only do 2012 vids from your choosing?</P>

Redeyejedi
04-23-2011, 06:59 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>


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Hey redeye, do you still do requests from people or just only do 2012 vids from your choosing?</P>


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what do u want</P>

Neverend
04-23-2011, 07:23 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>


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Hey redeye, do you still do requests from people or just only do 2012 vids from your choosing?</P>


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what do u want</P>


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I was hoping for a deandre mcdaniel video if its not too much to ask</P>

Redeyejedi
04-24-2011, 10:34 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>


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Hey redeye, do you still do requests from people or just only do 2012 vids from your choosing?</P>


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what do u want</P>


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I was hoping for a deandre mcdaniel video if its not too much to ask</P>


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U know I watched a lot of Clemson during the season but havent looked at much of there tape. So yeah I will put something together because I wanted to make vids of Andre Branch,Rashard Halland Andre Ellington anyway. I will do that then I really got to finish with Nigel Bradham and Brandon Jenkins Ive ben scribing there games for a month and keep getting sidetracked.</P>

Redeyejedi
04-24-2011, 08:54 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>


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Hey redeye, do you still do requests from people or just only do 2012 vids from your choosing?</P>


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what do u want</P>


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I was hoping for a deandre mcdaniel video if its not too much to ask</P>


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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Deandre Mcdaniel vs South Florida</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFrEPcLJCxY) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I went through this game but there really wasnt any plays on the ball. Just a lot of him coming up to play the run . I try to take a look at another Clemson game</DIV>

nycsportzfan
04-25-2011, 01:46 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</div>


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Hey redeye, do you still do requests from people or just only do 2012 vids from your choosing?</p>


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what do u want</p>


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I was hoping for a deandre mcdaniel video if its not too much to ask</p>


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<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Deandre Mcdaniel vs South Florida</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFrEPcLJCxY) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">I went through this game but there really wasnt any plays on the ball. Just a lot of him coming up to play the run . I try to take a look at another Clemson game</div> If u get a chance Redeye, was wondering if u could get up James Brewer video... I love this guy, hes grown on me, bigtime... I could see him filling mckenzies spot when he goes to a T... If not Brewer, would love to see a Video on any of these guys, not all of course, but if u could do any of these guys, it would rock.. Your vid's are awesome!

Kj wright
james brewer
lawerence wilson
quention carter

nycsportzfan
04-25-2011, 02:52 AM
I really think these are the 4guys the giants are considering at 19..Anthony Castanzo, Mark Ingram, Mike Pouncey, and Akeem Ayers. i'm bored, heres a quick final mock, with each guy going 1st in a mock... These are my final mocks, as were so close now, figured i'd do one for each guy i think the giants are interested in...

1. anthony castanzo ot bc
2. davon house cb n.mex st.
3. greg jones mlb/wlb michigan st.- i think he could go 2nd rd, but we'll see..
4. jaiquawn jarrett s temple
6. tim barnes c missouri- in deep center class, could fall, we shall see...
6. dane sazenbacher wr ohio st
6. jabara williams wlb steven f austin
7. greg mcelroy qb alabama

1. mark ingram rb alabama
2. james brewer ot indiana
3. mason foster lb washington
4. marcus gilchrist cb clemson
6. brandon fusco c/g slippery rock
6. denarius moore wr tennesee
6. mark legree s appalachin st.
7. greg mcelroy qb bama- i feel they are gonna snatch a qb up eventually, and most likely late

1. mike pouncey g/c florida
2. jerrell jerrnigan wr troy
3. mason foster lb washington
4. brandon hogan cb west virginia
6. martin parker dt richmond
6. byron stingily ot louisville
6. will hill fs florida
7. johnny white rb u.n.c

1. Akeem Ayers olb u.c.l.a
2. brandon harris cb miami- might not drop this far, but u never know, good value if he does.
3. luke stocker te tennesee- this kid can play, and in time, will be a solid, all around TE
4. jake kirkpatrick c t.c.u
6. shiloh keo ss idaho- i think fewell works wonders with keo, and licks his chops here..
6. pat devlin qb delaware
6. alex green rb hawaii
7. jeff maehl wr oregon

This stuff is hard to do, when you try and do it realistaclly... A ton of players i love, that i coulden't sneak into 4diffrent mocks...

nycsportzfan
04-25-2011, 03:00 AM
Seems mr. Jerrnigan became buddies with former TROY player Law Tynes while visiting us, and watching film with Gilbride.. A pretty cool draft diary... The one thing i don't like is when he says he was talking with our guys, and talking ST's, and they liked the fact he played ST's, compared to other guys on there board... Hopefully we don't get a bunch of guys who can't play ST's.. I'm not worried about it yet, but it stuck out when i first read it...

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Last week, I finished off my tour of visits by going up to New
York to meet with the Giants. On my way back, I stopped in Charlotte to
visit with the Panthers before finally getting home.</p>


The travel schedule was draining because I had to leave as soon as I
got comfortable, but it is a huge part of the draft process so it was a
cool experience.</p>


The Giants visit went well. I got to meet with all of their front
office people and they showed me around their facilities, which are
actually in New Jersey.</p>


I watched a good bit of film with their offensive coordinator (Kevin
Gilbride). They went in depth with me about playing special teams,
which is something they like about me compared to some other guys on
their board.</p>


With Carolina, I think that visit went great. I really like
Charlotte as a city. That meeting seemed to last a little longer than
the other teams, especially when it came to board work.</p>


They also let me go over their playbook which was kind of cool.
Their new staff is pretty energetic about getting their organization
turned around.</p>


I got back from Charlotte on Thursday, which was just enough time to
get prepared for Coach (Larry) Blakeney's appreciation roast on Saturday
at the Renaissance Hotel in Montgomery.</p>


It was pretty cool for me to meet with a lot of the former NFL players that went to Troy.</p>


One of the guys I got to meet was L.T. (NY Giants kicker) Lawrence
Tynes. He's a great guy and we exchanged numbers. He told me he would
love for me to become a Giant so I enjoyed talking with him.</p>


I got to catch up with a few guys who I played with that have moved
on to the next level. Guys like Leodis (McKelvin), Sherrod (Martin),
and Brandon Lang.</p>


I also got to have fun with a lot of the front office people at Troy
and a lot of alumni who I never got the chance to meet before.</p>


This week I will just try to relax and make sure I get some good work
outs in because the travel schedule kind of threw my routine off.</p>
Also, the New York Jets are coming down on Friday to Troy to work me
out. They are bringing their offensive coordinator down so I want to
make sure I do my best to impress him.

Neverend
04-25-2011, 03:51 AM
Interesting on the Jernigan stuff. I love him as a prospect but he would justify a pretty high draft pick and WR is like the last position you want them to draft. But he certainly fits the "BPA"ideology.

Neverend
04-25-2011, 03:53 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Mikel Leshoure vs Baylor</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZ-UO55Ns0) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I noticed today no one had put this game up and I was really surprised. Leshoure killed Baylor for almost 200 yards rushing and 3 TD's in this game. This kids a horse and a every down back</DIV>


</P>


Hey redeye, do you still do requests from people or just only do 2012 vids from your choosing?</P>


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what do u want</P>


</P>


I was hoping for a deandre mcdaniel video if its not too much to ask</P>


</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Deandre Mcdaniel vs South Florida</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFrEPcLJCxY) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>I went through this game but there really wasnt any plays on the ball. Just a lot of him coming up to play the run . I try to take a look at another Clemson game</DIV>


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Thanks a ton. I'd recommend against trying to look at another game, he's mostly just a box safety but if you can find more stuff that would be awesome</P>

Redeyejedi
04-25-2011, 11:02 AM
Seems mr. Jerrnigan became buddies with former TROY player Law Tynes while visiting us, and watching film with Gilbride.. A pretty cool draft diary... The one thing i don't like is when he says he was talking with our guys, and talking ST's, and they liked the fact he played ST's, compared to other guys on there board... Hopefully we don't get a bunch of guys who can't play ST's.. I'm not worried about it yet, but it stuck out when i first read it...


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Last week, I finished off my tour of visits by going up to New York to meet with the Giants. On my way back, I stopped in Charlotte to visit with the Panthers before finally getting home.</P>


The travel schedule was draining because I had to leave as soon as I got comfortable, but it is a huge part of the draft process so it was a cool experience.</P>


The Giants visit went well. I got to meet with all of their front office people and they showed me around their facilities, which are actually in New Jersey.</P>


I watched a good bit of film with their offensive coordinator (Kevin Gilbride). They went in depth with me about playing special teams, which is something they like about me compared to some other guys on their board.</P>


With Carolina, I think that visit went great. I really like Charlotte as a city. That meeting seemed to last a little longer than the other teams, especially when it came to board work.</P>


They also let me go over their playbook which was kind of cool. Their new staff is pretty energetic about getting their organization turned around.</P>


I got back from Charlotte on Thursday, which was just enough time to get prepared for Coach (Larry) Blakeney's appreciation roast on Saturday at the Renaissance Hotel in Montgomery.</P>


It was pretty cool for me to meet with a lot of the former NFL players that went to Troy.</P>


One of the guys I got to meet was L.T. (NY Giants kicker) Lawrence Tynes. He's a great guy and we exchanged numbers. He told me he would love for me to become a Giant so I enjoyed talking with him.</P>


I got to catch up with a few guys who I played with that have moved on to the next level. Guys like Leodis (McKelvin), Sherrod (Martin), and Brandon Lang.</P>


I also got to have fun with a lot of the front office people at Troy and a lot of alumni who I never got the chance to meet before.</P>


This week I will just try to relax and make sure I get some good work outs in because the travel schedule kind of threw my routine off.</P>


Also, the New York Jets are coming down on Friday to Troy to work me out. They are bringing their offensive coordinator down so I want to make sure I do my best to impress him.
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U know Im a fan of his as well but I know the chances are very slim they would draft him. I think if the value presents itself they would but I dont think they are willing to use the pick they need to in order to nab him</P>

nycsportzfan
04-25-2011, 11:54 AM
Seems mr. Jerrnigan became buddies with former TROY player Law Tynes while visiting us, and watching film with Gilbride.. A pretty cool draft diary... The one thing i don't like is when he says he was talking with our guys, and talking ST's, and they liked the fact he played ST's, compared to other guys on there board... Hopefully we don't get a bunch of guys who can't play ST's.. I'm not worried about it yet, but it stuck out when i first read it...


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Last week, I finished off my tour of visits by going up to New York to meet with the Giants. On my way back, I stopped in Charlotte to visit with the Panthers before finally getting home.</p>


The travel schedule was draining because I had to leave as soon as I got comfortable, but it is a huge part of the draft process so it was a cool experience.</p>


The Giants visit went well. I got to meet with all of their front office people and they showed me around their facilities, which are actually in New Jersey.</p>


I watched a good bit of film with their offensive coordinator (Kevin Gilbride). They went in depth with me about playing special teams, which is something they like about me compared to some other guys on their board.</p>


With Carolina, I think that visit went great. I really like Charlotte as a city. That meeting seemed to last a little longer than the other teams, especially when it came to board work.</p>


They also let me go over their playbook which was kind of cool. Their new staff is pretty energetic about getting their organization turned around.</p>


I got back from Charlotte on Thursday, which was just enough time to get prepared for Coach (Larry) Blakeney's appreciation roast on Saturday at the Renaissance Hotel in Montgomery.</p>


It was pretty cool for me to meet with a lot of the former NFL players that went to Troy.</p>


One of the guys I got to meet was L.T. (NY Giants kicker) Lawrence Tynes. He's a great guy and we exchanged numbers. He told me he would love for me to become a Giant so I enjoyed talking with him.</p>


I got to catch up with a few guys who I played with that have moved on to the next level. Guys like Leodis (McKelvin), Sherrod (Martin), and Brandon Lang.</p>


I also got to have fun with a lot of the front office people at Troy and a lot of alumni who I never got the chance to meet before.</p>


This week I will just try to relax and make sure I get some good work outs in because the travel schedule kind of threw my routine off.</p>


Also, the New York Jets are coming down on Friday to Troy to work me out. They are bringing their offensive coordinator down so I want to make sure I do my best to impress him.
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U know Im a fan of his as well but I know the chances are very slim they would draft him. I think if the value presents itself they would but I dont think they are willing to use the pick they need to in order to nab him</p> We shall see, nothing surprises me, and i do think this is the one kinda WR they'd take, in a eary rd...

Redeyejedi
04-25-2011, 06:13 PM
Seems mr. Jerrnigan became buddies with former TROY player Law Tynes while visiting us, and watching film with Gilbride.. A pretty cool draft diary... The one thing i don't like is when he says he was talking with our guys, and talking ST's, and they liked the fact he played ST's, compared to other guys on there board... Hopefully we don't get a bunch of guys who can't play ST's.. I'm not worried about it yet, but it stuck out when i first read it...


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Last week, I finished off my tour of visits by going up to New York to meet with the Giants. On my way back, I stopped in Charlotte to visit with the Panthers before finally getting home.</P>


The travel schedule was draining because I had to leave as soon as I got comfortable, but it is a huge part of the draft process so it was a cool experience.</P>


The Giants visit went well. I got to meet with all of their front office people and they showed me around their facilities, which are actually in New Jersey.</P>


I watched a good bit of film with their offensive coordinator (Kevin Gilbride). They went in depth with me about playing special teams, which is something they like about me compared to some other guys on their board.</P>


With Carolina, I think that visit went great. I really like Charlotte as a city. That meeting seemed to last a little longer than the other teams, especially when it came to board work.</P>


They also let me go over their playbook which was kind of cool. Their new staff is pretty energetic about getting their organization turned around.</P>


I got back from Charlotte on Thursday, which was just enough time to get prepared for Coach (Larry) Blakeney's appreciation roast on Saturday at the Renaissance Hotel in Montgomery.</P>


It was pretty cool for me to meet with a lot of the former NFL players that went to Troy.</P>


One of the guys I got to meet was L.T. (NY Giants kicker) Lawrence Tynes. He's a great guy and we exchanged numbers. He told me he would love for me to become a Giant so I enjoyed talking with him.</P>


I got to catch up with a few guys who I played with that have moved on to the next level. Guys like Leodis (McKelvin), Sherrod (Martin), and Brandon Lang.</P>


I also got to have fun with a lot of the front office people at Troy and a lot of alumni who I never got the chance to meet before.</P>


This week I will just try to relax and make sure I get some good work outs in because the travel schedule kind of threw my routine off.</P>


Also, the New York Jets are coming down on Friday to Troy to work me out. They are bringing their offensive coordinator down so I want to make sure I do my best to impress him.
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U know Im a fan of his as well but I know the chances are very slim they would draft him. I think if the value presents itself they would but I dont think they are willing to use the pick they need to in order to nab him</P>


We shall see, nothing surprises me, and i do think this is the one kinda WR they'd take, in a eary rd...
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He would be a nice all around weapon to inject into the offense .Im all for bringing him in I like his game</P>

titwio
04-25-2011, 08:13 PM
*Seems mr. Jerrnigan became buddies with former TROY player Law Tynes while visiting us, and watching film with Gilbride.. A pretty cool draft diary... The one thing i don't like is when he says he was talking with our guys, and talking ST's, and they liked the fact he played ST's, compared to other guys on there board... Hopefully we don't get a bunch of guys who can't play ST's.. I'm not worried about it yet, but it stuck out when i first read it...


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Last week, I finished off my tour of visits by going up to New York to meet with the Giants.* On my way back, I stopped in Charlotte to visit with the Panthers before finally getting home.**</P>


The travel schedule was draining because I had to leave as soon as I got comfortable, but it is a huge part of the draft process so it was a cool experience.*</P>


The Giants visit went well.* I got to meet with all of their front office people and they showed me around their facilities, which are actually in New Jersey.**</P>


I watched a good bit of film with their offensive coordinator (Kevin Gilbride).* They went in depth with me about playing special teams, which is something they like about me compared to some other guys on their board.*</P>


With Carolina, I think that visit went great.* I really like Charlotte as a city.* That meeting seemed to last a little longer than the other teams, especially when it came to board work.*</P>


They also let me go over their playbook which was kind of cool.* Their new staff is pretty energetic about getting their organization turned around.**</P>


I got back from Charlotte on Thursday, which was just enough time to get prepared for Coach (Larry) Blakeney's appreciation roast on Saturday at the Renaissance Hotel in Montgomery.*</P>


It was pretty cool for me to meet with a lot of the former NFL players that went to Troy.**</P>


One of the guys I got to meet was L.T. (NY Giants kicker) Lawrence Tynes.* He's a great guy and we exchanged numbers.* He told me he would love for me to become a Giant so I enjoyed talking with him.**</P>


I got to catch up with a few guys who I played with that have moved on to the next level.* Guys like Leodis (McKelvin), Sherrod (Martin), and Brandon Lang.**</P>


I also got to have fun with a lot of the front office people at Troy and a lot of alumni who I never got the chance to meet before.*</P>


This week I will just try to relax and make sure I get some good work outs in because the travel schedule kind of threw my routine off.**</P>


Also, the New York Jets are coming down on Friday to Troy to work me out.* They are bringing their offensive coordinator down so I want to make sure I do my best to impress him.
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U know Im a fan of his as well but I know the chances are very slim they would draft him. I think if the value presents itself they would but I dont think they are willing to use the pick they need to in order to nab him</P>


We shall see, nothing surprises me, and i do think this is the one kinda WR they'd take, in a eary rd...*
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He would be a nice all around weapon to inject into the offense .Im all for bringing him in I like his game</P>

I like Jerrel a lot......I actually mocked him going to Patriots....(They need a play maker on O and he makes sense for them)....

I don't know if he's on the Giants radar or not but I know he's an electric player and great after the catch....

Wouldn't mind him at all.... I don't see it happening....but who knows....

He's Desean Jackson 2.0 and if the Giants like him....Then I def know why....

Redeyejedi
04-25-2011, 09:29 PM
My 100th draft vid</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Cameron Jordan vs Washington State</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0NX6TTx9s) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title>and another RB vid</DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Shane Vereen vs Washington State</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDtNsld8Qk) </DIV></DIV>

nycsportzfan
04-25-2011, 11:12 PM
My 100th draft vid</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Cameron Jordan vs Washington State</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0NX6TTx9s) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">and another RB vid</div>
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<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Shane Vereen vs Washington State</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDtNsld8Qk) </div></div> ya, i really like shane vereen... I'm surprised hes predicted by alot to go in the 4th rd, i could definetly see him go earlier then most think, early 3rd ish....

nycsportzfan
04-26-2011, 02:30 AM
what do u guys think of the all "nfl bloodlines" mock draft???LOL

1. mark ingram rb bama(pops was gmen wr and 1st rder)
2.stefen wisnewski c penn st.(uncle steve was longtime G for OAK, and now coach)
3. curtis brown cb texas(nephew of former colt DE, Hosea Taylor 1981-1983)
4. casey matthews ilb oregon(bro of clay, who plays for pack)
6. niles paul wr nebraska(nephew of Ahman Green, former pack and hou RB)
6.stephen skelton h-back fordham(bro of arz qb john skelton)
6. rich lapham ot b.college(nephew of former OL of CINCY dave lapham)
7. josh portis qb california(PA)(cousin of clintin portis)


definetly not the best draft in the world, but not the worst, either...lol

Redeyejedi
04-26-2011, 04:05 PM
what do u guys think of the all "nfl bloodlines" mock draft???LOL

1. mark ingram rb bama(pops was gmen wr and 1st rder)
2.stefen wisnewski c penn st.(uncle steve was longtime G for OAK, and now coach)
3. curtis brown cb texas(nephew of former colt DE, Hosea Taylor 1981-1983)
4. casey matthews ilb oregon(bro of clay, who plays for pack)
6. niles paul wr nebraska(nephew of Ahman Green, former pack and hou RB)
6.stephen skelton h-back fordham(bro of arz qb john skelton)
6. rich lapham ot b.college(nephew of former OL of CINCY dave lapham)
7. josh portis qb california(PA)(cousin of clintin portis)


definetly not the best draft in the world, but not the worst, either...lol
</P>


Not bad I did one earlier with the coach Coughlin connection mock draft. I should have a Lawrence Wilson vid done tonight</P>


.1 Anthony Castonzo</P>


2. Ras I Dowling</P>


3. Luke Stocker</P>


4. Mark Herzlich</P>


6. Lawrence Wilson</P>


6.Shareece Wright</P>


6.Allen Bradford</P>


I dont know how about </P>


7.Scott Lutrus</P>

Redeyejedi
04-26-2011, 06:41 PM
Here is some Lawrence Wilson not the greatest I know but I did what I could</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Lawrence Wilson vs Oklahoma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzHaix-5IA) </DIV>

titwio
04-26-2011, 07:25 PM
*what do u guys think of the all "nfl bloodlines" mock draft???LOL

1. mark ingram rb bama(pops was gmen wr and 1st rder)
2.stefen wisnewski c penn st.(uncle steve was longtime G for OAK, and now coach)
3. curtis brown cb texas(nephew of former colt DE, Hosea Taylor 1981-1983)
4. casey matthews ilb oregon(bro of clay, who plays for pack)
6. niles paul wr nebraska(nephew of Ahman Green, former pack and hou RB)
6.stephen skelton h-back fordham(bro of* arz qb john skelton)
6. rich lapham ot b.college(nephew of former OL of CINCY dave lapham)
7. josh portis qb california(PA)(cousin of clintin portis)


definetly not the best draft in the world, but not the worst, either...lol


Also to add Brian Rolle cousin of Antrel.....

Wouldn't mind fitting him later in that mock...

Neverend
04-26-2011, 09:45 PM
Here is some Lawrence Wilson not the greatest I know but I did what I could</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Lawrence Wilson vs Oklahoma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzHaix-5IA) </DIV>


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yeah i tried watching that game of his a few months ago too, wasnt much he did in that game as far as playmaking goes</P>

Redeyejedi
04-26-2011, 09:50 PM
Here is some Lawrence Wilson not the greatest I know but I did what I could</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Lawrence Wilson vs Oklahoma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzHaix-5IA) </DIV>


</P>


yeah i tried watching that game of his a few months ago too, wasnt much he did in that game as far as playmaking goes</P>


</P>


Sportsfan requested it. The guys he asked for i dont have good games for. Im going to try to look at KJ Wright later on see what i can pull out of the Alabama and Michigan game</P>

Redeyejedi
04-26-2011, 09:52 PM
U guys see Justin Houston allegedly failed his drug test for weed.Christian Ballard as well</P>


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110426_report_christian_ballard_justin_houston_f lunked_combine_drug_tests</P>

Raptor22
04-26-2011, 10:05 PM
*facepalm*

so, what's the list of guys who've failed the stupid test so far?

nycsportzfan
04-26-2011, 10:16 PM
Here is some Lawrence Wilson not the greatest I know but I did what I could</p>
<div class="vm-video-title">Lawrence Wilson vs Oklahoma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzHaix-5IA) </div>


</p>


yeah i tried watching that game of his a few months ago too, wasnt much he did in that game as far as playmaking goes</p>


</p>


Sportsfan requested it. The guys he asked for i dont have good games for. Im going to try to look at KJ Wright later on see what i can pull out of the Alabama and Michigan game</p> He didn't play against Michigan, if i remember correctly... I'd love to see that Georgia game of his, it says he defended 4pass's in that one.. He was all over the place against Ole Miss, i seen that one myself..

Thanks for the lawrence Wilson vid, not his best game, but he was in on some plays... He tore up Rutgers, i can't remember, but i swore i seen that game, but i flip alot, so sometimes i don't watch games straight through... I just didn't remember him being such a beast in that one, i guess i missed em, when i was flipping channels...

Redeyejedi
04-26-2011, 10:17 PM
Here is some Lawrence Wilson not the greatest I know but I did what I could</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Lawrence Wilson vs Oklahoma (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzHaix-5IA) </DIV>


</P>


yeah i tried watching that game of his a few months ago too, wasnt much he did in that game as far as playmaking goes</P>


</P>


Sportsfan requested it. The guys he asked for i dont have good games for. Im going to try to look at KJ Wright later on see what i can pull out of the Alabama and Michigan game</P>


He didn't play against Michigan, if i remember correctly... I'd love to see that Georgia game of his, it says he defended 4pass's in that one.. He was all over the place against Ole Miss, i seen that one myself..

Thanks for the lawrence Wilson vid, not his best game, but he was in on some plays... He tore up Rutgers, i can't remember, but i swore i seen that game, but i flip alot, so sometimes i don't watch games straight through... I just didn't remember him being such a beast in that one, i guess i missed em, when i was flipping channels...
</P>


I looked all over the place for the Georgia game</P>

nycsportzfan
04-26-2011, 10:19 PM
U guys see Justin Houston allegedly failed his drug test for weed.Christian Ballard as well</p>


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110426_report_christian_ballard_justin_houston_f lunked_combine_drug_tests</p> i seen ballard, didnt know about houston though

Neverend
04-26-2011, 10:20 PM
There's this uploader on youtube that specifically uploads linebackers on youtube, he takes up requests and he probably has loads of linebacker tape.</P>


maybe you can get your kj wright stuff from him, nyc</P>

lawl
04-26-2011, 11:55 PM
Jah Reid, thoughts?

thegreatone
04-27-2011, 08:13 AM
did you do a vid on jurell casey (sp?)

reddog36
04-27-2011, 12:15 PM
I reallylike wisnewski fits the giants overall#1need If a castonzo is on the board see if they could trade with Denver in the early 2nd round and get both of them.Other players the Giants should consider, Vincent Brown wr,Lawrence Wilson olb, Housler te, Edmund Gateswr-kr,Casey Matthewsilb,Chas Henry p Andrew Jackson g The Giants need a good draft in 2011 to fill the needs of age.

Redeyejedi
04-27-2011, 03:30 PM
<FONT color=#0033cc>Derek Sherrod vs Alabama</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VSy4_H6JI0)</P>


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This was requested by Draftbreakdown</P>

nycsportzfan
04-27-2011, 09:35 PM
Mayock Mocked Mark Ingram to the Giants, as he has Costanzo, and Pouncey both gone, and liuget, for that matter... Exactly my thinking, as well... I would be shocked to see the Giants pass on Mark Ingram at 19, if Castanzo, Ty Smith, Liuget, and Pouncey are off the board.... I still hope they choose Ayers, but thats a long shot, and i'm fine and dandy with Marky Ingram.... To hard to pass up on this guy, really....

Neverend
04-27-2011, 09:43 PM
In the end I would be most happy with ingram too.</P>


He's an exceptional talent. Great instincts and vision. He has extremely rare balance and can create his own yards (a quality that is very underrated) and can excel behind a shaky offensive line.</P>


His main flaws is that he doesn't have elite acceleration and a second gear to take plays to the house. Big deal, its hard to outrun safeties anyway nowadays. He can still beat linebackers to the corner solidly. I endorse him with our 1st round pick. Haven't seen any indications that the giants are interested</P>

Redeyejedi
04-29-2011, 12:56 PM
Im not a big fan of Christian Ponder but I have to say that he ended up in about as perfect a place for him to go. He has weapons on the outside,A top 2 RB,and a defense that should be better then it is. He could come in and win 10 games right away. I thought he would bust if he ended up on the wrong team but I dont think he will in this situation in fact I think he has a chance to be the best QB as a rookie

Raptor22
04-29-2011, 01:48 PM
Im not a big fan of Christian Ponder but I have to say that he ended up in about as perfect a place for him to go. He has weapons on the outside,A top 2 RB,and a defense that should be better then it is. He could come in and win 10 games right away. I thought he would bust if he ended up on the wrong team but I dont think he will in this situation in fact I think he has a chance to be the best QB as a rookie

Pretty much, although I liked Ponder better than Gabbert or Newton. I think Minnesota needs to shore up the D-line and secondary though... Paea/Austin &amp; Johnny Patrick would be great picks for them.

Redeyejedi
04-29-2011, 03:30 PM
Man the Cowboy fans are all over my Tyron Smith vid Ive gotten almost 3200 hits on it since he was picked. Im so pissed DRAFTBREAKDOWN features my vids and houses my SEC clips and right now there site is down On draft day there site is down. Might not be up till tommorow

nycsportzfan
04-29-2011, 10:16 PM
Seems mr. Jerrnigan became buddies with former TROY player Law Tynes while visiting us, and watching film with Gilbride.. A pretty cool draft diary... The one thing i don't like is when he says he was talking with our guys, and talking ST's, and they liked the fact he played ST's, compared to other guys on there board... Hopefully we don't get a bunch of guys who can't play ST's.. I'm not worried about it yet, but it stuck out when i first read it...


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Last week, I finished off my tour of visits by going up to New York to meet with the Giants. On my way back, I stopped in Charlotte to visit with the Panthers before finally getting home.</p>


The travel schedule was draining because I had to leave as soon as I got comfortable, but it is a huge part of the draft process so it was a cool experience.</p>


The Giants visit went well. I got to meet with all of their front office people and they showed me around their facilities, which are actually in New Jersey.</p>


I watched a good bit of film with their offensive coordinator (Kevin Gilbride). They went in depth with me about playing special teams, which is something they like about me compared to some other guys on their board.</p>


With Carolina, I think that visit went great. I really like Charlotte as a city. That meeting seemed to last a little longer than the other teams, especially when it came to board work.</p>


They also let me go over their playbook which was kind of cool. Their new staff is pretty energetic about getting their organization turned around.</p>


I got back from Charlotte on Thursday, which was just enough time to get prepared for Coach (Larry) Blakeney's appreciation roast on Saturday at the Renaissance Hotel in Montgomery.</p>


It was pretty cool for me to meet with a lot of the former NFL players that went to Troy.</p>


One of the guys I got to meet was L.T. (NY Giants kicker) Lawrence Tynes. He's a great guy and we exchanged numbers. He told me he would love for me to become a Giant so I enjoyed talking with him.</p>


I got to catch up with a few guys who I played with that have moved on to the next level. Guys like Leodis (McKelvin), Sherrod (Martin), and Brandon Lang.</p>


I also got to have fun with a lot of the front office people at Troy and a lot of alumni who I never got the chance to meet before.</p>


This week I will just try to relax and make sure I get some good work outs in because the travel schedule kind of threw my routine off.</p>


Also, the New York Jets are coming down on Friday to Troy to work me out. They are bringing their offensive coordinator down so I want to make sure I do my best to impress him.
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U know Im a fan of his as well but I know the chances are very slim they would draft him. I think if the value presents itself they would but I dont think they are willing to use the pick they need to in order to nab him</p> We shall see, nothing surprises me, and i do think this is the one kinda WR they'd take, in a eary rd...
WELCOME TO NY, JERRNIGAN!

Redeyejedi
04-29-2011, 11:01 PM
Seems mr. Jerrnigan became buddies with former TROY player Law Tynes while visiting us, and watching film with Gilbride.. A pretty cool draft diary... The one thing i don't like is when he says he was talking with our guys, and talking ST's, and they liked the fact he played ST's, compared to other guys on there board... Hopefully we don't get a bunch of guys who can't play ST's.. I'm not worried about it yet, but it stuck out when i first read it...


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Last week, I finished off my tour of visits by going up to New York to meet with the Giants. On my way back, I stopped in Charlotte to visit with the Panthers before finally getting home.</P>


The travel schedule was draining because I had to leave as soon as I got comfortable, but it is a huge part of the draft process so it was a cool experience.</P>


The Giants visit went well. I got to meet with all of their front office people and they showed me around their facilities, which are actually in New Jersey.</P>


I watched a good bit of film with their offensive coordinator (Kevin Gilbride). They went in depth with me about playing special teams, which is something they like about me compared to some other guys on their board.</P>


With Carolina, I think that visit went great. I really like Charlotte as a city. That meeting seemed to last a little longer than the other teams, especially when it came to board work.</P>


They also let me go over their playbook which was kind of cool. Their new staff is pretty energetic about getting their organization turned around.</P>


I got back from Charlotte on Thursday, which was just enough time to get prepared for Coach (Larry) Blakeney's appreciation roast on Saturday at the Renaissance Hotel in Montgomery.</P>


It was pretty cool for me to meet with a lot of the former NFL players that went to Troy.</P>


One of the guys I got to meet was L.T. (NY Giants kicker) Lawrence Tynes. He's a great guy and we exchanged numbers. He told me he would love for me to become a Giant so I enjoyed talking with him.</P>


I got to catch up with a few guys who I played with that have moved on to the next level. Guys like Leodis (McKelvin), Sherrod (Martin), and Brandon Lang.</P>


I also got to have fun with a lot of the front office people at Troy and a lot of alumni who I never got the chance to meet before.</P>


This week I will just try to relax and make sure I get some good work outs in because the travel schedule kind of threw my routine off.</P>


Also, the New York Jets are coming down on Friday to Troy to work me out. They are bringing their offensive coordinator down so I want to make sure I do my best to impress him.
</P>


U know Im a fan of his as well but I know the chances are very slim they would draft him. I think if the value presents itself they would but I dont think they are willing to use the pick they need to in order to nab him</P>


We shall see, nothing surprises me, and i do think this is the one kinda WR they'd take, in a eary rd...
WELCOME TO NY, JERRNIGAN!
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Yeah I really didnt think he would be available there. I thought they would have to use there 2nd rounder to get him</P>

Raptor22
04-30-2011, 11:49 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
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bumpity bump bump (b^.^)

Neverend
05-01-2011, 12:33 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </DIV>
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bumpity bump bump (b^.^)
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Doesn't seem like his best game though, made some nice instinctual plays but just doesn't seem like the most agile guy in the world. hopefully better tape of him surfaces on youtube</P>


But I remember after last years draft and ppl were talking about next years lb class i was looking up about greg jones and i remember saying to myself "this guy is explosive and fast". maybe that added weight had an effect on his athleticism</P>

gmen0820
05-01-2011, 12:35 AM
Let's get a 2012 ready.

Redeyejedi
05-01-2011, 06:12 AM
Let's get a 2012 ready.Okay I was not sure should I keep this thread and change the titleor start a new one</P>


Here are some QB vids I did the other day thatI didn t post on here</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Ryan Lindley vs Navy</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u_ucRw-rZQ) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Kirk Cousins vs Wisconsin</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3rsj3fjoOQ) </DIV></DIV>

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 06:46 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Jones vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzgExJQqjxM) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title">Just put it up</div>




bumpity bump bump (b^.^)
</p>


Doesn't seem like his best game though, made some nice instinctual plays but just doesn't seem like the most agile guy in the world. hopefully better tape of him surfaces on youtube</p>


But I remember after last years draft and ppl were talking about next years lb class i was looking up about greg jones and i remember saying to myself "this guy is explosive and fast". maybe that added weight had an effect on his athleticism</p> Heres a article about him after we picked em... I feel hes exactly the type of blue collared, make plays, rugged LB, that the giants need.. Shoot, i just got done saying, he reminds me of GIANT player last week, and player i feel they would like.. I love that, "i am hungrier then ever to prove them wrong", quote.. He said, "i wasen't highly recurited, but came in and became a 2time All American" THis kid flat out gets it done... THe giants see em as a MLB, but i'm telling you, if Goff holds the job, this kid will find a way on the field, as is said, hes got that versatility.. As i've said many times, he really has a CURTIS LOFTON feel to his game..
<h1>MSU star Greg Jones 'relieved' to be drafted; Chris L. Rucker taken, too</h1>





<h4>Matt Charboneau / / The Detroit News</h4>




East Lansing— It took much longer than he ever would have
hoped, but Greg Jones finally heard his name called in the NFL draft
Saturday afternoon. </p>

Jones, a two-time All-American from Michigan
State, was selected in the sixth round by the New York Giants, three
picks before teammate Chris L. Rucker. </p>


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"It has been a stressful three days, but I
feel both relieved and excited," Jones said. "All of my hard work has
paid off, and now, I'm excited to have the opportunity to pursue my
dream of playing in the NFL. </p>





"A lot of teams passed on me, but I'm hungrier than ever to prove
myself. I wasn't highly recruited coming out of high school, but yet I
became a four-year starter and an All-American." </p>

The
third-leading tackler in Michigan State history had been projected as
high as the second round after his junior season, but elected to return
to school and led the Spartans to a Big Ten championship. His draft
stock took quite a hit, however. Jones had been told he could go
anywhere from the second round to the fifth, but it took until the 185th
selection before he finally went. </p>

"Greg Jones equals
production," said Marc Ross, Giants director of college scouting. "To
get a guy who is this productive, this late. ... Jones is instinctive,
plays hard and gets to the football. He's just a football player." </p>

At
just under 6-foot-1 and 240 pounds, Jones doesn't have the prototypical
size for an NFL inside linebacker and didn't wow the scouts in workouts
prior to the draft. But his ability to read and react to plays as well
as his versatility should bode well at the next level. </p>

The Giants
see him as a MIKE linebacker "because he's built thick and compact,"
Ross said. "He has the instincts and vision to play inside. He plays
best in there because he's so slippery, plus he's real quick laterally."
</p>

Jones said the Giants were happy to get him. </p>

"I could
really hear the excitement in the voices of (general manager) Jerry
Reese and (head coach) Tom Coughlin," Jones said. "They really liked me
and they feel like I can have an impact right away, both on defense and
special teams." </p><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
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nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 06:48 AM
Let's get a 2012 ready.Okay I was not sure should I keep this thread and change the titleor start a new one</p>


Here are some QB vids I did the other day thatI didn t post on here</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Ryan Lindley vs Navy</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u_ucRw-rZQ) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Kirk Cousins vs Wisconsin</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3rsj3fjoOQ) </div></div> Speaking of QB's, we gotta get a Nick Foles tape up.. Not that i like em, that much..lol

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 07:05 AM
<div class="vm-video-title">More 2012, My second safety vid</div>
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<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Harrison Smith vs Stanford and Miami</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNzJLyu_G4) </div> Sorry about not checking this out earlier... U know how it is around draft time, trying to focus on this yrs crop and such... Anyhow, i love this kid! He is very instinctive, always making the big plays for ND in the secondary, and has enough size to be a force in the run game... A nice looking Prospect.. I'm interested to see his 40time, all though, for him, it won't matter much, becasue hes that "football" player, that people are starting to really realize, matters alot... Hes kinda like Sash, in that, hes not the best against the pass, but i'll be damned, if he don't come up with a ton of big picks, in key situations...


Notre Dame has alot of good players on D, that are underrated like Smith.. Another smith, Brian Smith may get picked up as a UDF, as hes a solid all around LB type, and Darrin Walls most certainly will be picked up, as a physical cover corner, who is great against the run, and is very wise and expierenced.. I'm surprised Walls didn't get drafted, to be honest..

Redeyejedi
05-01-2011, 07:34 AM
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Harrison Smith vs Stanford and Miami</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNzJLyu_G4) </DIV>


Sorry about not checking this out earlier... U know how it is around draft time, trying to focus on this yrs crop and such... Anyhow, i love this kid! He is very instinctive, always making the big plays for ND in the secondary, and has enough size to be a force in the run game... A nice looking Prospect.. I'm interested to see his 40time, all though, for him, it won't matter much, becasue hes that "football" player, that people are starting to really realize, matters alot... Hes kinda like Sash, in that, hes not the best against the pass, but i'll be damned, if he don't come up with<FONT size=5> a ton of big picks, in key situations...

</FONT>
Notre Dame has alot of good players on D, that are underrated like Smith.. Another smith, Brian Smith may get picked up as a UDF, as hes a solid all around LB type, and Darrin Walls most certainly will be picked up, as a physical cover corner, who is great against the run, and is very wise and expierenced.. I'm surprised Walls didn't get drafted, to be honest..
so what do u think we start a new thread or use this one. I wouldnt mind using this one but U cant jump to pages on this website but i would like to keep these posts</P>


I was surprised U didnt say anything its Notre Dame. I like Harrision Smith but teams probably wont because he isnt an elite athlete.He was rated like the 12th best Free safety for the 2012 draft. 3 picks in the Bowl game and 7 overall last year.</P>


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Yeah Foles I will make tapes on. I have a bunch of Arizona and I only had one SDSU game so I wanted to do that one first before someone else did that one. The Luck games are all ready up. I did Landry Jones as well</P>

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 08:09 AM
<div class="vm-video-title">More 2012, My second safety vid</div>
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<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Harrison Smith vs Stanford and Miami</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNzJLyu_G4) </div>


Sorry about not checking this out earlier... U know how it is around draft time, trying to focus on this yrs crop and such... Anyhow, i love this kid! He is very instinctive, always making the big plays for ND in the secondary, and has enough size to be a force in the run game... A nice looking Prospect.. I'm interested to see his 40time, all though, for him, it won't matter much, becasue hes that "football" player, that people are starting to really realize, matters alot... Hes kinda like Sash, in that, hes not the best against the pass, but i'll be damned, if he don't come up with<font size="5"> a ton of big picks, in key situations...

</font>
Notre Dame has alot of good players on D, that are underrated like Smith.. Another smith, Brian Smith may get picked up as a UDF, as hes a solid all around LB type, and Darrin Walls most certainly will be picked up, as a physical cover corner, who is great against the run, and is very wise and expierenced.. I'm surprised Walls didn't get drafted, to be honest..
so what do u think we start a new thread or use this one. I wouldnt mind using this one but U cant jump to pages on this website but i would like to keep these posts</p>


I was surprised U didnt say anything its Notre Dame. I like Harrision Smith but teams probably wont because he isnt an elite athlete.He was rated like the 12th best Free safety for the 2012 draft. 3 picks in the Bowl game and 7 overall last year.</p>


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Yeah Foles I will make tapes on. I have a bunch of Arizona and I only had one SDSU game so I wanted to do that one first before someone else did that one. The Luck games are all ready up. I did Landry Jones as well</p> ya, i didn't see it, really.. I might of seen it in passing, but didn't really grasp it, or whatever, i guess..lol

Hey, i'm sure you seen that highlight VID of WILLIAMS by now, and read up on him, was wondering if your now as excited about the kid as i am? Wasen't that really solid Tackling Form, he displayed in that vid? Also, very aggresive, and did u notice he is always trying to get his hands on balls, even the tough plays, that alot of players would probably just let go by, thinking theres no chance.. He seems like hes really hungry and wants to make the play.. A shore video i know, but thats a Highlight video, that sticks with you..lol

If u take what he did this yr, and project to what he'd of done in his 2nd yr of starting, it really projects to a special season..
Kinda funny how SLFA didn't really get any Prospects talked about during the season, despite clearly being more of a defensive team, then offensive, but eventually you can't keep good stuff hidden forever, as they get 3 Defensive prospects picked, with McClain, Raymond and Williams..

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 08:11 AM
<div class="vm-video-title">More 2012, My second safety vid</div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Harrison Smith vs Stanford and Miami</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rNzJLyu_G4) </div>


Sorry about not checking this out earlier... U know how it is around draft time, trying to focus on this yrs crop and such... Anyhow, i love this kid! He is very instinctive, always making the big plays for ND in the secondary, and has enough size to be a force in the run game... A nice looking Prospect.. I'm interested to see his 40time, all though, for him, it won't matter much, becasue hes that "football" player, that people are starting to really realize, matters alot... Hes kinda like Sash, in that, hes not the best against the pass, but i'll be damned, if he don't come up with<font size="5"> a ton of big picks, in key situations...

</font>
Notre Dame has alot of good players on D, that are underrated like Smith.. Another smith, Brian Smith may get picked up as a UDF, as hes a solid all around LB type, and Darrin Walls most certainly will be picked up, as a physical cover corner, who is great against the run, and is very wise and expierenced.. I'm surprised Walls didn't get drafted, to be honest..
so what do u think we start a new thread or use this one. I wouldnt mind using this one but U cant jump to pages on this website but i would like to keep these posts</p>


I was surprised U didnt say anything its Notre Dame. I like Harrision Smith but teams probably wont because he isnt an elite athlete.He was rated like the 12th best Free safety for the 2012 draft. 3 picks in the Bowl game and 7 overall last year.</p>


</p>


Yeah Foles I will make tapes on. I have a bunch of Arizona and I only had one SDSU game so I wanted to do that one first before someone else did that one. The Luck games are all ready up. I did Landry Jones as well</p> Oh ya, i would actually like to come back to this thead and see what we wrote about the guys that just got drafted.. Its fun, funny, and enjoyable to see all the stuff we wrote on the guys, and see if we are right about them...

Redeyejedi
05-01-2011, 08:14 AM
Man Im getting so pissed I have the South Florida Rutgers game but Im having trouble converting the 1st quarter with the software I have to get it into MM to cut it up. I have another one that will do the job but it will have a waterwark on it. Am i being picky or should I keep trying to convert it or do u just want to see game footage of him already. I got half way through Brewers game last night and im afraid to post it because I know the guys going to be hated on after i put it up and I dont want to hear the whining

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 08:19 AM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff

Redeyejedi
05-01-2011, 01:38 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</P>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</P>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </DIV>

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 02:25 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</p>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</p>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </div> Ya, i would of been happy with Greg Jones anywhere from 3rd round and beyond.. I just think hes gonna become a real fan favorite around here.. I think he'll move around the LB spots depending on the personel we have out there and situation, mostly settling into the middle, but none the less, moving around at times, and just making energy plays..

As for the video, one things for sure, the kids fast.. He also plays with alot of energy, and the guys who have some talent, and really enjoy playing, and are constantly showing energy, are the guys you find are involved in alot of plays.. I like that Williams pick more and more, the more i learn.. I think he'd of been going alot higher then COMP picks of RD 6, with a 2nd yr of starting, so just like anything, when you see guys that as Jr's perdicted to be say a 4th rounder, come back and play well, and become 2nd rders or 1st, you essentially are gettign that a Yr early.. I don't know if u understood that, or not??LOL Sometimes i wish i could just talk to you..lol Anyhow, with Dillard, Jones, the Williams kid, and Sintim and Tracy coming back from injury, and Goff, we do have a nice group of Young LB's to compete against eachother and try to find a solid unit, and depth... I don't think Goffs played his best football either..Were really getting some good charechter guys at LB as well...

Redeyejedi
05-01-2011, 02:35 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</P>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</P>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </DIV>


Ya, i would of been happy with Greg Jones anywhere from 3rd round and beyond.. I just think hes gonna become a real fan favorite around here.. I think he'll move around the LB spots depending on the personel we have out there and situation, mostly settling into the middle, but none the less, moving around at times, and just making energy plays..

As for the video, one things for sure, the kids fast.. He also plays with alot of energy, and the guys who have some talent, and really enjoy playing, and are constantly showing energy, are the guys you find are involved in alot of plays.. I like that Williams pick more and more, the more i learn.. I think he'd of been going alot higher then COMP picks of RD 6, with a 2nd yr of starting, so just like anything, when you see guys that as Jr's perdicted to be say a 4th rounder, come back and play well, and become 2nd rders or 1st, you essentially are gettign that a Yr early.. I don't know if u understood that, or not??LOL Sometimes i wish i could just talk to you..lol Anyhow, with Dillard, Jones, the Williams kid, and Sintim and Tracy coming back from injury, and Goff, we do have a nice group of Young LB's to compete against eachother and try to find a solid unit, and depth... I don't think Goffs played his best football either..Were really getting some good charechter guys at LB as well...
</P>


the think i like about jones is he is very instinctual.If he is even half as productive he was in college we will have a good player</P>

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 02:36 PM
I haven't seen any1 discuss this yet but...with the Cowboys looking most likely looking OL in the first....What if Prince slides down to 19....

Does any1 think the he will be the pick at 19....I have a feeling there may def be some good BPA's available...

But If Prince is there will Giants take him....? Ys Titwio, i think the Gmen will definetly take Prince if he slips down to em at 19overall....LOL Good call, getting this out there on the 7th of April....

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 02:43 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</p>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</p>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </div>


Ya, i would of been happy with Greg Jones anywhere from 3rd round and beyond.. I just think hes gonna become a real fan favorite around here.. I think he'll move around the LB spots depending on the personel we have out there and situation, mostly settling into the middle, but none the less, moving around at times, and just making energy plays..

As for the video, one things for sure, the kids fast.. He also plays with alot of energy, and the guys who have some talent, and really enjoy playing, and are constantly showing energy, are the guys you find are involved in alot of plays.. I like that Williams pick more and more, the more i learn.. I think he'd of been going alot higher then COMP picks of RD 6, with a 2nd yr of starting, so just like anything, when you see guys that as Jr's perdicted to be say a 4th rounder, come back and play well, and become 2nd rders or 1st, you essentially are gettign that a Yr early.. I don't know if u understood that, or not??LOL Sometimes i wish i could just talk to you..lol Anyhow, with Dillard, Jones, the Williams kid, and Sintim and Tracy coming back from injury, and Goff, we do have a nice group of Young LB's to compete against eachother and try to find a solid unit, and depth... I don't think Goffs played his best football either..Were really getting some good charechter guys at LB as well...
</p>


the think i like about jones is he is very instinctual.If he is even half as productive he was in college we will have a good player</p> Do u think as a Group, were starting to assemble a nice group of LB's, overall? Dillard is kinda not talked about, but was hurt last yr, and has a yr learning under his belt now, and he could end up being a decent player.. I was one of the few that didn't mind the pick last yr...
Dillard is another guy that i think will end up solitifying our ST unit, as we look better and better with our personel in that area, and also , has solid speed for the positon, and like Jones, is versatile enough, where if Goff wins the MLB job for the next couple yrs, we should be able to still get these guys on the field some... I'm looking forward to seeing Dillard healthy for a stretch, and seeing what he learned in a yr... Also, Tracy showed some promise, and u know i liked him alot, so i'm exctied to see if he can make a impression.. Anyway, enough rambeling, are u starting to like the LB group were putting together?

Neverend
05-01-2011, 06:02 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</P>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</P>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </DIV>


</P>


Hes really good at shedding blocks, especially for someone who has a reputation for being undersized. sometimes he struggled to locate the ball and i wish his short area tackling was more explosive but looks like a good player and a very solid athlete. Hopefully he turns out to be a great special teams player</P>

Redeyejedi
05-01-2011, 07:08 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</P>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</P>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </DIV>


Ya, i would of been happy with Greg Jones anywhere from 3rd round and beyond.. I just think hes gonna become a real fan favorite around here.. I think he'll move around the LB spots depending on the personel we have out there and situation, mostly settling into the middle, but none the less, moving around at times, and just making energy plays..

As for the video, one things for sure, the kids fast.. He also plays with alot of energy, and the guys who have some talent, and really enjoy playing, and are constantly showing energy, are the guys you find are involved in alot of plays.. I like that Williams pick more and more, the more i learn.. I think he'd of been going alot higher then COMP picks of RD 6, with a 2nd yr of starting, so just like anything, when you see guys that as Jr's perdicted to be say a 4th rounder, come back and play well, and become 2nd rders or 1st, you essentially are gettign that a Yr early.. I don't know if u understood that, or not??LOL Sometimes i wish i could just talk to you..lol Anyhow, with Dillard, Jones, the Williams kid, and Sintim and Tracy coming back from injury, and Goff, we do have a nice group of Young LB's to compete against eachother and try to find a solid unit, and depth... I don't think Goffs played his best football either..Were really getting some good charechter guys at LB as well...
</P>


the think i like about jones is he is very instinctual.If he is even half as productive he was in college we will have a good player</P>


Do u think as a Group, were starting to assemble a nice group of LB's, overall? Dillard is kinda not talked about, but was hurt last yr, and has a yr learning under his belt now, and he could end up being a decent player.. I was one of the few that didn't mind the pick last yr...
Dillard is another guy that i think will end up solitifying our ST unit, as we look better and better with our personel in that area, and also , has solid speed for the positon, and like Jones, is versatile enough, where if Goff wins the MLB job for the next couple yrs, we should be able to still get these guys on the field some... I'm looking forward to seeing Dillard healthy for a stretch, and seeing what he learned in a yr... Also, Tracy showed some promise, and u know i liked him alot, so i'm exctied to see if he can make a impression.. Anyway, enough rambeling, are u starting to like the LB group were putting together?
</P>


I think Goff had a good first year starting. Joneswith how he has bulked up is a better fit as a MLB though.Hehas very good instincts and is that vocal leader that I think teams need at that spot. Goff could play outside though as well so I dont think it matters much. I just wish we got Sintim to be a productive player. If he ended up as a legitimate starter this team would be in good shape. It should be interesting to see how these guys progress. I would like the team to go with the younger guys at the position. Get rid of Wilkerson and Bullock and Get Tracy and Jones out there. I like how this Williams kid looks in coverage although its probably unlikely he makes the 53 man roster.</P>

gmen0820
05-01-2011, 09:47 PM
Let's get a 2012 ready.Okay I was not sure should I keep this thread and change the title*or start a new one</P>


Here are some QB vids I did the other day that*I didn t post on here</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Ryan Lindley vs Navy</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u_ucRw-rZQ) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>*</DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Kirk Cousins vs Wisconsin</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3rsj3fjoOQ) </DIV></DIV>Best bet is changing the title and making a note to start at page 108 about, or whatever page you really start it up on. Maybe even provide the link to that page. This is good stuff in here, and should be kept.

gmen0820
05-01-2011, 09:53 PM
Started early last year and I still am intrigued with Dont'a Hightower. I really like this kid.

nycsportzfan
05-01-2011, 11:36 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</p>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</p>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </div>


Ya, i would of been happy with Greg Jones anywhere from 3rd round and beyond.. I just think hes gonna become a real fan favorite around here.. I think he'll move around the LB spots depending on the personel we have out there and situation, mostly settling into the middle, but none the less, moving around at times, and just making energy plays..

As for the video, one things for sure, the kids fast.. He also plays with alot of energy, and the guys who have some talent, and really enjoy playing, and are constantly showing energy, are the guys you find are involved in alot of plays.. I like that Williams pick more and more, the more i learn.. I think he'd of been going alot higher then COMP picks of RD 6, with a 2nd yr of starting, so just like anything, when you see guys that as Jr's perdicted to be say a 4th rounder, come back and play well, and become 2nd rders or 1st, you essentially are gettign that a Yr early.. I don't know if u understood that, or not??LOL Sometimes i wish i could just talk to you..lol Anyhow, with Dillard, Jones, the Williams kid, and Sintim and Tracy coming back from injury, and Goff, we do have a nice group of Young LB's to compete against eachother and try to find a solid unit, and depth... I don't think Goffs played his best football either..Were really getting some good charechter guys at LB as well...
</p>


the think i like about jones is he is very instinctual.If he is even half as productive he was in college we will have a good player</p>


Do u think as a Group, were starting to assemble a nice group of LB's, overall? Dillard is kinda not talked about, but was hurt last yr, and has a yr learning under his belt now, and he could end up being a decent player.. I was one of the few that didn't mind the pick last yr...
Dillard is another guy that i think will end up solitifying our ST unit, as we look better and better with our personel in that area, and also , has solid speed for the positon, and like Jones, is versatile enough, where if Goff wins the MLB job for the next couple yrs, we should be able to still get these guys on the field some... I'm looking forward to seeing Dillard healthy for a stretch, and seeing what he learned in a yr... Also, Tracy showed some promise, and u know i liked him alot, so i'm exctied to see if he can make a impression.. Anyway, enough rambeling, are u starting to like the LB group were putting together?
</p>


I think Goff had a good first year starting. Joneswith how he has bulked up is a better fit as a MLB though.Hehas very good instincts and is that vocal leader that I think teams need at that spot. Goff could play outside though as well so I dont think it matters much. I just wish we got Sintim to be a productive player. If he ended up as a legitimate starter this team would be in good shape. It should be interesting to see how these guys progress. I would like the team to go with the younger guys at the position. Get rid of Wilkerson and Bullock and Get Tracy and Jones out there. I like how this Williams kid looks in coverage although its probably unlikely he makes the 53 man roster.</p> I think that williams kid, is a very sound tackler.. These LB"s that drop into coverege, normally look liike williams, able to make a play at times, but overall, there LB"s...lol Most LB's are not that good in Coverege, and Williams showed the ability to on occasion make a play from what i've seen, but also as any LB is gonna be in coverege, hes gonna be easily beatable as well, thats why i don't think the Giants put this monster premium in LB's that can cover, because overall, LB's aren't gonna be able to cover most WR's or RB's outta the backfield,no matter who they are....

heavyhitter
05-02-2011, 02:21 AM
<font size="3">Hell of a draft fellas. Even if only half of these picks pan out to their full potential, It'll still go down as one of the best in a long time. From top to bottom, JR and Co. played their cards right, and hit on damn near every pick. A+ Draft IMO-</font>

<font size="4">1) Amukamara, CB- Easily a top 10 pick, absolute steal at 19.

2) Austin, DT- Will command double teams and open up gaps for LBers/DB's to shoot through to get to the ball and will punish teams for passing on him. Could easily been taken in the 1st round if not for the party in South Beach. Great value at pick 52-

3) Jernigan, WR- Speedball, slot receiver w/ special teams ability. Jernigan should have been off the board in the 2nd. Explosive/Dynamic playmaker who will excel in the slot and/or special teams.

4) Brewer, OT- Don't know much about this guy, but it's no secret that the Giants O-Line could use the help.

6a) Jones, LB- How and why Greg Jones fell all the way to the 6th round is beyond me. I can see Jones starting at MLB by the end of the season. Huge steal here IMO and also addressed a big need at LB.

6b) Sash, S- Another great value pick for a position that could use some depth. 200 plus tackles and 13 picks in 3 years (watch out MJ).

6c) Williams, LB- JUCO transfer w/ good size/speed combo. Not sure how he'll pan out, but he should provide some much needed help on special teams.

7) Scott, RB- 4 star recruit out of HS and did not disappoint while at Maryland. One of the better receiving backs in the draft. Should be interesting to see how the Giants use him.</font>

nycsportzfan
05-02-2011, 03:42 AM
And what do u know, yet another A grade for are draft... What a freaking draft, and everyone in the world knows it.. How anyone can not give the GIANTS a A, A-, or A+ is beyond me...

This is Rob Rangs grade.. Notice the comments about Greg JOnes...Forget our team, hes talking about greg jones being biggest steal of the whole dang draft, and i agree.





New York Giants (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/page/NYG/new-york-giants): A- </p>


The Giants allowed the draft to come to them, exercising the "best
player available" strategy to perfection. Cornerback wasn't a
primary area of concern, but Prince Amukamara (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1823143/prince-amukamara)
at No. 19 was simply too good to pass up. His lack of flashy
plays as a senior caused him to slip, but he'll prove well worth
the pick in the long run. Though I have reservations about Marvin Austin's (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/1242977/marvin-austin)
work ethic, at No. 52, the first-round caliber athlete from North
Carolina certainly made sense -- especially considering how much
the Giants value defensive linemen. Possessing electric speed and
the versatility to contribute in the slot and as a punt returner, Jerrell Jernigan (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/1252135/jerrel-jernigan)
will quickly emerge as a fan favorite. If you're looking for a
candidate to emerge as the biggest steal of the draft, keep
Michigan State linebacker Greg Jones (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/players/playerpage/1263443/greg-jones)
in mind. Playing heavier as a senior than he did earlier in his
previous three seasons as a starter, Jones wasn't as effective in
2010 and dropped much further than he should have. He'll emerge as
a starter for the Giants early in his career -- quite a value
considering he was the No. 185 overall pick of the draft. Only my
reservations about Austin's dependability keeps the Giants from
getting an elite grade. </p>

thegreatone
05-02-2011, 08:50 AM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</p>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</p>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </div>


</p>


Hes really good at shedding blocks, especially for someone who has a reputation for being undersized. sometimes he struggled to locate the ball and i wish his short area tackling was more explosive but looks like a good player and a very solid athlete. Hopefully he turns out to be a great special teams player</p>really?i thought he was excellent at loacating the ball in that video and his reaction time was amazing imo.

titwio
05-02-2011, 01:54 PM
2012 already....

What about Justin Blackmon and Alshon Jefferey....

Good receivers next year....Better than Green/Julio IMO...

Neverend
05-02-2011, 04:09 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</P>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</P>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </DIV>


</P>


Hes really good at shedding blocks, especially for someone who has a reputation for being undersized. sometimes he struggled to locate the ball and i wish his short area tackling was more explosive but looks like a good player and a very solid athlete. Hopefully he turns out to be a great special teams player</P>


really?i thought he was excellent at loacating the ball in that video and his reaction time was amazing imo.
</P>


He made a mistake 1-2 times in locating the ball, but its not abig deal, I'm nit-picking. I thought his reactionary time was solid, but not nate irving/greg jonesamazing however</P>

Raptor22
05-02-2011, 04:20 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</p>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</p>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </div>


</p>


Hes really good at shedding blocks, especially for someone who has a reputation for being undersized. sometimes he struggled to locate the ball and i wish his short area tackling was more explosive but looks like a good player and a very solid athlete. Hopefully he turns out to be a great special teams player</p>


really?i thought he was excellent at loacating the ball in that video and his reaction time was amazing imo.
</p>


He made a mistake 1-2 times in locating the ball, but its not abig deal, I'm nit-picking. I thought his reactionary time was solid, but not nate irving/greg jonesamazing however</p>

He also hasn't been playing as long, which is probably a part of that.

by the by, on Greg Jones: It wouldn't surprise me to see his movement skills pick back up with NFL coaching and training programs. He added 12lbs of muscle going into his senior season, which is a lot more than it sounds. His CNS likely hadn't gotten a good handle on how to use and move with his new size. It doesn't mean he won't get used to it... kinda like when kids hit their growth spurt.

Neverend
05-02-2011, 04:42 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MichiganState_logo.gifGreg Jones 6-1 224 MLB/WLB Jones has been the most productive of all these guys by far but he doesnt have the frameor speedthat that the UNC LB's have. I do have to admit his production was SUH like this year 154 tackles 9 sacks 14.0 TFL 8 QB hurries. I think he projects as a WLB but who knows he could still grow into his body. He isalright in man and zone coverage and has competitive speed but is not fast.He could of came out this year but I think he was smart to comeback he needs the added bulk. People might not agree with me because his numbers are so good but I dont think he is as good as the numbers wouldlead U to believe.While he is alright in coverage State doesnt use him in that role as he blitzes the QB on passing downs What do u think of your analysis of Greg Jones from last APRIL of 2010?? THi is what i mean, its cool we can see stuff like this.. U hit some things on the head, my friend, also agreeing with me on a few things though, that u dissagre with me now, about... Very cool, stuff
</P>


U know whats funny? I criticized him in the beginning of the year him for being to small and now I criticize him for getting to stiff because of the extra weight. LOL. I may be a little harsh sometimes with these guys I should reign it in a little.Usually when I dont like a guy Im saying I dont like where there being projected.I didnt like the value in the Top 100 like his rating but I do love the pick a lot for where we got him. Now that hes a Giant Im happy about the pick.</P>


i posted this in 2 other spots but whatever</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquian Williams vs Rutgers</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owqrkyq6FVI) </DIV>


</P>


Hes really good at shedding blocks, especially for someone who has a reputation for being undersized. sometimes he struggled to locate the ball and i wish his short area tackling was more explosive but looks like a good player and a very solid athlete. Hopefully he turns out to be a great special teams player</P>


really?i thought he was excellent at loacating the ball in that video and his reaction time was amazing imo.
</P>


He made a mistake 1-2 times in locating the ball, but its not abig deal, I'm nit-picking. I thought his reactionary time was solid, but not nate irving/greg jonesamazing however</P>




He also hasn't been playing as long, which is probably a part of that.

by the by, on Greg Jones: It wouldn't surprise me to see his movement skills pick back up with NFL coaching and training programs. He added 12lbs of muscle going into his senior season, which is a lot more than it sounds. His CNS likely hadn't gotten a good handle on how to use and move with his new size. It doesn't mean he won't get used to it... kinda like when kids hit their growth spurt.
</P>


Yeah plus I think 240 pounds might be too big for someone's who is 5'117/8 which he measured at the senior bowl. Thats like being 255 at 6'3. I think it might be better off for him to trim down like 5'10 pounds i guess</P>

thegreatone
05-02-2011, 05:02 PM
Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford

Donte Paige-Moss, DE/OLB, North Carolina

Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina

Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska

Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

Cliff Harris, CB/PR, Oregon

Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas

Vontaze Burflict, ILB, Arizona State

Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame

Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State

Bobby Massie, OT, Ole Miss

Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State

Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina

Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
<font size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; clear: none; cursor: auto; float: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; letter-spacing: inherit; margin: 0pt; outline: medium none; position: relative; text-decoration: inherit; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: inherit; word-spacing: inherit; background-color: transparent; background-image: none; border: 0pt none; display: inline; padding: 0pt; color: inherit; line-height: inherit;"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; clear: none; cursor: auto; float: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; letter-spacing: inherit; margin: 0pt; outline: medium none; position: relative; text-decoration: inherit; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: inherit; word-spacing: inherit; background-color: transparent; background-image: none; border: 0pt none; display: inline; padding: 0pt; color: inherit; line-height: inherit;">
Courtney Upshaw, ILB, Alabama

Kenny Tate, S, Maryland

Chase Minnefield, CB,Virginia

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

god there is a lot more....
</span></span></font>

GMEN 92
05-02-2011, 05:47 PM
Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina

Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama

Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford

Donte Paige-Moss, DE/OLB, North Carolina

Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina

Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska

Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama

Cliff Harris, CB/PR, Oregon

Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas

Vontaze Burflict, ILB, Arizona State

Manti Te'o, ILB, Notre Dame

Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona State

Bobby Massie, OT, Ole Miss

Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State

Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina

Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
<font size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; clear: none; cursor: auto; float: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; letter-spacing: inherit; margin: 0pt; outline: medium none; position: relative; text-decoration: inherit; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: inherit; word-spacing: inherit; background-color: transparent; background-image: none; border: 0pt none; display: inline; padding: 0pt; color: inherit; line-height: inherit;"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; clear: none; cursor: auto; float: none; font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; letter-spacing: inherit; margin: 0pt; outline: medium none; position: relative; text-decoration: inherit; text-indent: 0pt; text-transform: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: inherit; word-spacing: inherit; background-color: transparent; background-image: none; border: 0pt none; display: inline; padding: 0pt; color: inherit; line-height: inherit;">
Courtney Upshaw, ILB, Alabama

Kenny Tate, S, Maryland

Chase Minnefield, CB,Virginia

Mark Barron, S, Alabama

god there is a lot more....
</span></span></font>














Imagine throwing Burflict in the middle? Guys an absolute monster, truly defines the term "wreckless abandon" with hois play.. just makes bonehead moves too much,

gmen0820
05-02-2011, 06:48 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BOarmAK1g_4/Swk72Nnt3PI/AAAAAAAADPc/az9SZwIJ5L4/s1600/Luke+Kuechly.jpg

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/replicate/EXID46620/images/NigelBradham.jpg

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/files/2010/05/Burfict_16.jpg

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Donta-Hightower.jpg

http://usc.ocregister.com/files/2009/10/teo1014.jpg


...please?

Redeyejedi
05-03-2011, 09:11 AM
U think that Burfict pick is big enough? LOL</P>


</P>


Anyway here is the breakdown of conferences draft picks</P>


1.SEC 38</P>


2.ACC 35</P>


3.PAC10 31</P>


4.Big12 30</P>


5.Big10 29</P>


6.Big East 21</P>


7.WAC 16</P>


8.MWC 10</P>


9. Conference USA 5</P>


10.MAC 3</P>


NON FBS 25</P>


</P>

Redeyejedi
05-03-2011, 05:00 PM
Someone commented on my Tank Carder vid saying that he had it on his profile page. The person claims that Tank says the title should be changed to TCU vs Wisconsin because it was a team effort should I change the name of his vid. I think people in his family have commented on the vid

Neverend
05-03-2011, 05:11 PM
Someone commented on my Tank Carder vid saying that he had it on his profile page. The person claims that Tank says the title should be changed to TCU vs Wisconsin because it was a team effort should I change the name of his vid. I think people in his family have commented on the vid</P>


Lmao</P>

Neverend
05-03-2011, 05:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P46kOf9HWL8</P>


Not sure if it was posted yet but I found some great new film on Prince. I think its one of the best out there because he's tested a lot in this game (well for him its a lot)</P>


</P>

Redeyejedi
05-03-2011, 05:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P46kOf9HWL8</P>


Not sure if it was posted yet but I found some great new film on Prince. I think its one of the best out there because he's tested a lot in this game (well for him its a lot)</P>


</P>


</P>


Yeah this is pretty good I wishI did this game</P>

titwio
05-03-2011, 05:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P46kOf9HWL8</P>


Not sure if it was posted yet but I found some great new film on Prince. I think its one of the best out there because he's tested a lot in this game (well for him its a lot)</P>


*</P>

He does that move a lot where he stands off the receiver and jams at the five yard mark.... He'll have to adjust, being that it's illegal in NFL....

Wasn't too impressed with Mizz's wide-outs....

Prince looks like he has a lot of ability but couldn't help but notice how much he reminded me of Terrel Thomas....

Redeyejedi
05-03-2011, 06:58 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Kenny Tate vs Duke and ECU</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7SpG0XV_cE) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Tate is a strange prospect. Im not exactly sure how he is going to fit in the NFL. He is being moved from safety to Star Linebacker by new coach Randy Edsall. Its basically a safety linebacker hybrid position. Shouldnt be anything new for Tate though since he was lined up all over the field in 2010. He was really utilized based on the team they were playing. He probably will end up a OLB in the NFL</DIV>

Redeyejedi
05-04-2011, 12:59 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jonathan Massaquoi vs Ohio</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWq3tOuFVMU) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Troys newest dominant pass rushing threat. Great first step quickness,outstanding motorand the ability to bend around the corner.Undersized at 6' 2" he reminds me some of the Eagles Brandon Graham</DIV>

Redeyejedi
05-05-2011, 08:53 PM
Another pass rusher goes up against Ohio States Mike Adams</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Vinny Curry vs Ohio State</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxzVx2-gKs) </DIV>

Neverend
05-05-2011, 08:56 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Kenny Tate vs Duke and ECU</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7SpG0XV_cE) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Tate is a strange prospect. Im not exactly sure how he is going to fit in the NFL. He is being moved from safety to Star Linebacker by new coach Randy Edsall. Its basically a safety linebacker hybrid position. Shouldnt be anything new for Tate though since he was lined up all over the field in 2010. He was really utilized based on the team they were playing. He probably will end up a OLB in the NFL</DIV>


</P>


Hopefully tate doesnt get billed with that "tweener" tag or he could take quite the fall in next years draft. </P>

nycsportzfan
05-05-2011, 09:16 PM
Someone commented on my Tank Carder vid saying that he had it on his profile page. The person claims that Tank says the title should be changed to TCU vs Wisconsin because it was a team effort should I change the name of his vid. I think people in his family have commented on the vid Heck no! You better tell that foo, you want a Autographed jersey or something..lol

nycsportzfan
05-05-2011, 09:29 PM
Another pass rusher goes up against Ohio States Mike Adams</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Vinny Curry vs Ohio State</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxzVx2-gKs) </div> nice.. U all ready did a few 2012 prospects i was interested in with Mike Egnew and Chase Minnifield, and i'm glad you did Kenny Tate and Manti Te'O... Now, i was wondering if u could do a George Bryan TE N.C State, Chris Marve Ilb Vandy, Blake Gideon FS Texas, Lavonte David S/lb nebraska, montel harris rb b.college, Mike Brewster C Ohio St, Blake Dechristopher OT Va Tech...

Obviously, theres something i seen and liked from these guys, and don't expect you to do all these, just some ideas for ya, if anything.. If i had to pick one i would like to see more then any, it would be Blake Gideon, Lavonte David, or Montel Harris...

Redeyejedi
05-05-2011, 09:34 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Kenny Tate vs Duke and ECU</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7SpG0XV_cE) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>Tate is a strange prospect. Im not exactly sure how he is going to fit in the NFL. He is being moved from safety to Star Linebacker by new coach Randy Edsall. Its basically a safety linebacker hybrid position. Shouldnt be anything new for Tate though since he was lined up all over the field in 2010. He was really utilized based on the team they were playing. He probably will end up a OLB in the NFL</DIV>


</P>


Hopefully tate doesnt get billed with that "tweener" tag or he could take quite the fall in next years draft. </P>


</P>


Yeah, I think he will.Im not really sure what he is.He doesnt cover all that well and he isnt the best tackler either..One siteI saw him as the number 2 ranked prospect overall which is a little nuts. They employed him in so many different ways i have a hard time calling him a safety.Maryland used 3 man fronts and lined him up on the weaksidelike a LB as a pass rusher, Blitzed him from the slot a bunch , Some Cover 2 , I just dont know how he fits in the NFL exactly.</P>

Redeyejedi
05-05-2011, 09:36 PM
Another pass rusher goes up against Ohio States Mike Adams</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Vinny Curry vs Ohio State</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxzVx2-gKs) </DIV>


nice.. U all ready did a few 2012 prospects i was interested in with Mike Egnew and Chase Minnifield, and i'm glad you did Kenny Tate and Manti Te'O... Now, i was wondering if u could do a George Bryan TE N.C State, Chris Marve Ilb Vandy, Blake Gideon FS Texas, Lavonte David S/lb nebraska, montel harris rb b.college, Mike Brewster C Ohio St, Blake Dechristopher OT Va Tech...

Obviously, theres something i seen and liked from these guys, and don't expect you to do all these, just some ideas for ya, if anything.. If i had to pick one i would like to see more then any, it would be Blake Gideon, Lavonte David, or Montel Harris...
</P>


I will get to them all eventually I have a David vid up.</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Lavonte David vs Oklahoma 2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwra0ZN3VyQ) </DIV>

nycsportzfan
05-05-2011, 09:38 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Kenny Tate vs Duke and ECU</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7SpG0XV_cE) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">Tate is a strange prospect. Im not exactly sure how he is going to fit in the NFL. He is being moved from safety to Star Linebacker by new coach Randy Edsall. Its basically a safety linebacker hybrid position. Shouldnt be anything new for Tate though since he was lined up all over the field in 2010. He was really utilized based on the team they were playing. He probably will end up a OLB in the NFL</div>


</p>


Hopefully tate doesnt get billed with that "tweener" tag or he could take quite the fall in next years draft. </p>


</p>


Yeah, I think he will.Im not really sure what he is.He doesnt cover all that well and he isnt the best tackler either..One siteI saw him as the number 2 ranked prospect overall which is a little nuts. They employed him in so many different ways i have a hard time calling him a safety.Maryland used 3 man fronts and lined him up on the weaksidelike a LB as a pass rusher, Blitzed him from the slot a bunch , Some Cover 2 , I just dont know how he fits in the NFL exactly.</p> eh, good players get drafed, and with versatility these days being a all time high, someone will draft him with a idea on how to use em all over the place...

nycsportzfan
05-05-2011, 09:40 PM
Another pass rusher goes up against Ohio States Mike Adams</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Vinny Curry vs Ohio State</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxzVx2-gKs) </div>


nice.. U all ready did a few 2012 prospects i was interested in with Mike Egnew and Chase Minnifield, and i'm glad you did Kenny Tate and Manti Te'O... Now, i was wondering if u could do a George Bryan TE N.C State, Chris Marve Ilb Vandy, Blake Gideon FS Texas, Lavonte David S/lb nebraska, montel harris rb b.college, Mike Brewster C Ohio St, Blake Dechristopher OT Va Tech...

Obviously, theres something i seen and liked from these guys, and don't expect you to do all these, just some ideas for ya, if anything.. If i had to pick one i would like to see more then any, it would be Blake Gideon, Lavonte David, or Montel Harris...
</p>


I will get to them all eventually I have a David vid up.</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Lavonte David vs Oklahoma 2010</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwra0ZN3VyQ) </div> wow, how'd i miss that?? sweet!

thegreatone
05-06-2011, 11:14 AM
prentiss waggner

Redeyejedi
05-06-2011, 11:56 AM
prentiss waggner
OK

Redeyejedi
05-07-2011, 09:27 AM
U guys think there should be a seperate place just for the Vids.It may be easier to access them then this</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Justin Blackmon vs Arizona</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNt51bhyLA8) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>TJ Mcdonald vs Virginia "2010"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqebTQ5p0_s) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Matt Barkley vs Virginia "2010"</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdo1OyqiPc) </DIV></DIV></DIV>

Redeyejedi
05-07-2011, 09:32 AM
Another pass rusher goes up against Ohio States Mike Adams</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Vinny Curry vs Ohio State</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnxzVx2-gKs) </DIV>


nice.. U all ready did a few 2012 prospects i was interested in with Mike Egnew and Chase Minnifield, and i'm glad you did Kenny Tate and Manti Te'O... Now, i was wondering if u could do a George Bryan TE N.C State, Chris Marve Ilb Vandy, Blake Gideon FS Texas, Lavonte David S/lb nebraska, montel harris rb b.college, Mike Brewster C Ohio St, Blake Dechristopher OT Va Tech...

Obviously, theres something i seen and liked from these guys, and don't expect you to do all these, just some ideas for ya, if anything.. If i had to pick one i would like to see more then any, it would be Blake Gideon, Lavonte David, or Montel Harris...
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I will get to them all eventually I have a David vid up.</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Lavonte David vs Oklahoma 2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwra0ZN3VyQ) </DIV>


wow, how'd i miss that?? sweet!
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Oh yeah Chris Marve forgot about him, Ive done a bunch of LB's I didnt do one for him though. I have a lot more of Alabama ,David and I bunch of other guys .Im just trying to get one up at least of each guy U know. Im still working on Bradham and Jenkins but to be honest there tape is boring me</P>

nycsportzfan
05-07-2011, 10:42 AM
U guys think there should be a seperate place just for the Vids.It may be easier to access them then this</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Justin Blackmon vs Arizona</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNt51bhyLA8) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">TJ Mcdonald vs Virginia "2010"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqebTQ5p0_s) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Matt Barkley vs Virginia "2010"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdo1OyqiPc) </div></div></div> ya, thats a solid idea..

thegreatone
05-07-2011, 10:58 AM
U guys think there should be a seperate place just for the Vids.It may be easier to access them then this</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Justin Blackmon vs Arizona</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNt51bhyLA8) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">TJ Mcdonald vs Virginia "2010"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqebTQ5p0_s) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Matt Barkley vs Virginia "2010"</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAdo1OyqiPc) </div></div></div> ya, thats a solid idea..

+1

Redeyejedi
05-08-2011, 02:32 PM
m going to start another thread with all the 2012 vids but I dont have the time toput up all the links right now but for now here is Nigel Bradham. I have a Brandon Jenkins vid and Jerel Worthy done as well just havent uploaded them yet. Im also working on another Jacquain Williams vid vs UCONN and Clemson.</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Nigel Bradham vs Virginia Tech</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V-J1TZ6jxA) </DIV>

Redeyejedi
05-22-2011, 10:14 PM
No one had posted this yet. I swear are these NC players stupid or what. A year after half the team gets suspended now its Coples Turn.</P>


http://nflmocks.com/2011/05/22/nfl-and-draft-news-another-top-tar-heels-player-could-be-suspended-more-on-bowers/</P>


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Suspended ispremature, but according to college football talk (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/19/ncaa-probing-uncs-coples-over-post-draft-soiree/), North Carolina Defensive End Quinton Coples was interviewed this week about a party he attended with former suspended Tar Heels Robert Quinn and Marvin Austin. At this point Coples is Mel Kiper Jr.’s number two overall rated prospect for the 2012 N.F.L. Draft. Coples had 10 sacks last year and has good size for a defensive end, he’s listed at 6’6 275 pounds.</P>


This would be another major blow to a program that has done an excellent job of assembling N.F.L. talent recently. Last year’s scandal ruined the Tar Heels chance of contending for a B.C.S. Bowl game. Hopefully everything went well in Coples interview with the N.C.A.A. representative and we can all enjoy watching and scouting him on the field this upcoming season.</P>


How did the N.C.A.A. know that Coples attended a party that he could have received benefits through his former teammates? Facebook photos. Other than Mark Zuckerberg has facebook improved anyone’s life in a good way?</P>


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FACEBOOKand TWITTER every freakin time .I swear these guys have holes in there brain. </P>

nycsportzfan
05-23-2011, 12:09 PM
No one had posted this yet. I swear are these NC players stupid or what. A year after half the team gets suspended now its Coples Turn.</p>


http://nflmocks.com/2011/05/22/nfl-and-draft-news-another-top-tar-heels-player-could-be-suspended-more-on-bowers/</p>


</p>


Suspended ispremature, but according to college football talk (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/19/ncaa-probing-uncs-coples-over-post-draft-soiree/), North Carolina Defensive End Quinton Coples was interviewed this week about a party he attended with former suspended Tar Heels Robert Quinn and Marvin Austin. At this point Coples is Mel Kiper Jr.’s number two overall rated prospect for the 2012 N.F.L. Draft. Coples had 10 sacks last year and has good size for a defensive end, he’s listed at 6’6 275 pounds.</p>


This would be another major blow to a program that has done an excellent job of assembling N.F.L. talent recently. Last year’s scandal ruined the Tar Heels chance of contending for a B.C.S. Bowl game. Hopefully everything went well in Coples interview with the N.C.A.A. representative and we can all enjoy watching and scouting him on the field this upcoming season.</p>


How did the N.C.A.A. know that Coples attended a party that he could have received benefits through his former teammates? Facebook photos. Other than Mark Zuckerberg has facebook improved anyone’s life in a good way?</p>


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FACEBOOKand TWITTER every freakin time .I swear these guys have holes in there brain. </p> There dumber then the dumbest of human beings, thats for sure... Its mind boggling how dumb these guys can be, and people wonder, why most think there breezed through school because of sports since about 5th grade...lol

Redeyejedi
05-23-2011, 02:58 PM
No one had posted this yet. I swear are these NC players stupid or what. A year after half the team gets suspended now its Coples Turn.</P>


http://nflmocks.com/2011/05/22/nfl-and-draft-news-another-top-tar-heels-player-could-be-suspended-more-on-bowers/</P>


</P>


Suspended ispremature, but according to college football talk (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/19/ncaa-probing-uncs-coples-over-post-draft-soiree/), North Carolina Defensive End Quinton Coples was interviewed this week about a party he attended with former suspended Tar Heels Robert Quinn and Marvin Austin. At this point Coples is Mel Kiper Jr.’s number two overall rated prospect for the 2012 N.F.L. Draft. Coples had 10 sacks last year and has good size for a defensive end, he’s listed at 6’6 275 pounds.</P>


This would be another major blow to a program that has done an excellent job of assembling N.F.L. talent recently. Last year’s scandal ruined the Tar Heels chance of contending for a B.C.S. Bowl game. Hopefully everything went well in Coples interview with the N.C.A.A. representative and we can all enjoy watching and scouting him on the field this upcoming season.</P>


How did the N.C.A.A. know that Coples attended a party that he could have received benefits through his former teammates? Facebook photos. Other than Mark Zuckerberg has facebook improved anyone’s life in a good way?</P>


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FACEBOOKand TWITTER every freakin time .I swear these guys have holes in there brain. </P>


There dumber then the dumbest of human beings, thats for sure... Its mind boggling how dumb these guys can be, and people wonder, why most think there breezed through school because of sports since about 5th grade...lol
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Who knows maybe he thinks its a good idea to get suspended hell Quinn went at 14, Austin at 52 and Little at 59.</P>

lawl
05-23-2011, 09:57 PM
No one had posted this yet. I swear are these NC players stupid or what. A year after half the team gets suspended now its Coples Turn.</p>


http://nflmocks.com/2011/05/22/nfl-and-draft-news-another-top-tar-heels-player-could-be-suspended-more-on-bowers/</p>


</p>


Suspended ispremature, but according to college football talk (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/19/ncaa-probing-uncs-coples-over-post-draft-soiree/), North Carolina Defensive End Quinton Coples was interviewed this week about a party he attended with former suspended Tar Heels Robert Quinn and Marvin Austin. At this point Coples is Mel Kiper Jr.’s number two overall rated prospect for the 2012 N.F.L. Draft. Coples had 10 sacks last year and has good size for a defensive end, he’s listed at 6’6 275 pounds.</p>


This would be another major blow to a program that has done an excellent job of assembling N.F.L. talent recently. Last year’s scandal ruined the Tar Heels chance of contending for a B.C.S. Bowl game. Hopefully everything went well in Coples interview with the N.C.A.A. representative and we can all enjoy watching and scouting him on the field this upcoming season.</p>


How did the N.C.A.A. know that Coples attended a party that he could have received benefits through his former teammates? Facebook photos. Other than Mark Zuckerberg has facebook improved anyone’s life in a good way?</p>


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FACEBOOKand TWITTER every freakin time .I swear these guys have holes in there brain. </p>


There dumber then the dumbest of human beings, thats for sure... Its mind boggling how dumb these guys can be, and people wonder, why most think there breezed through school because of sports since about 5th grade...lol
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Who knows maybe he thinks its a good idea to get suspended hell Quinn went at 14, Austin at 52 and Little at 59.</p>
And he doesnt run the risk of injury..

Raptor22
06-01-2011, 07:54 PM
So, who do we like for the 32nd overall pick next year?

Right now, my mock draft has us taking:

1)BPA
2)BPA (got a 2nd from Denver for Cofield)
2)BPA
3)BPA
4)BPA
5)BPA
6)BPA
7)BPA

That being said, After watching RedEye's vids, I like LB's Luke Kuechly and Vontaze Burfict. Kuechly is has great technique, and looks solid in coverage, while Burfict has that mean streak the defense lacks at the moment.

Also Micheal Egnew (TE) looks like a Reese player. Big, fast, with big hands and long arms.

juice33s
06-01-2011, 08:15 PM
So, who do we like for the 32nd overall pick next year?

Right now, my mock draft has us taking:

1)BPA
2)BPA (got a 2nd from Denver for Cofield)
2)BPA
3)BPA
4)BPA
5)BPA
6)BPA
7)BPA

That being said, After watching RedEye's vids, I like LB's Luke Kuechly and Vontaze Burfict. Kuechly is has great technique, and looks solid in coverage, while Burfict has that mean streak the defense lacks at the moment.

Also Micheal Egnew (TE) looks like a Reese player. Big, fast, with big hands and long arms.

So far my 2 fav's for our 2012 first round pick are LB Vontaze Burfict and RB Trent Richardson

nevada11
06-03-2011, 02:27 PM
are the tight ends next year gonna be as good as the class of 2010?

Redeyejedi
06-03-2011, 02:38 PM
are the tight ends next year gonna be as good as the class of 2010?TE is a dying position it seems. There arent many guys that are a good combination of blocking and receiving.

juice33s
06-04-2011, 11:38 AM
are the tight ends next year gonna be as good as the class of 2010?TE is a dying position it seems. There arent many guys that are a good combination of blocking and receiving.
Keep and eye on Dwayne Allen from Clemson (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/82/823295.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://clemson.scout.com/2/983625.html&amp;usg=__pw_Os7U4SITaBJuc9WZDzjmqif0=&amp;h=1 65&amp;w=220&amp;sz=15&amp;hl=en&amp;start=0&amp;zoom=1&amp;tbnid=NqkGciXe 8qTmoM:&amp;tbnh=132&amp;tbnw=176&amp;ei=-k_qTbTGDojKgQfhhKXZCQ&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3DDwayne%2BAllen%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D637%26tbm%3Disch&amp; um=1&amp;itbs=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=401&amp;vpy=302&amp;dur=151&amp;hovh=1 32&amp;hovw=176&amp;tx=65&amp;ty=37&amp;page=1&amp;ndsp=18&amp;ved=1t:429, r:7,s:0), the man looks like hes chiseled from stone:
This from scout.com
<span class="storybody"> TE DWAYNE ALLEN - (6-4, 255)

Make no mistake, Allen will have enough passes thrown his way to shatter
Michael Palmer's reception record for a tight end in 2009 (43).
Assuming his hands are as good as advertised, it wouldn't be a stretch
to suggest Allen could haul in 50 or 55 passes this season. Simply put,
if Clemson's offense is going to come anywhere close to its production
from a year ago, Allen will be a major reason why.


and walterfootball:
</span>Dwayne Allen*, TE, Clemson

Height: 6-4. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 2.


5/20/11: Dwayne Allen set the record for most receiving yardage
for a sophomore tight end in Clemson history; he caught 31 balls for
356 yards.

Redeyejedi
06-04-2011, 11:43 AM
are the tight ends next year gonna be as good as the class of 2010?TE is a dying position it seems. There arent many guys that are a good combination of blocking and receiving.
Keep and eye on Dwayne Allen from Clemson (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/82/823295.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://clemson.scout.com/2/983625.html&amp;usg=__pw_Os7U4SITaBJuc9WZDzjmqif0=&amp;h=1 65&amp;w=220&amp;sz=15&amp;hl=en&amp;start=0&amp;zoom=1&amp;tbnid=NqkGciXe 8qTmoM:&amp;tbnh=132&amp;tbnw=176&amp;ei=-k_qTbTGDojKgQfhhKXZCQ&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3DDwayne%2BAllen%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D637%26tbm%3Disch&amp; um=1&amp;itbs=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=401&amp;vpy=302&amp;dur=151&amp;hovh=1 32&amp;hovw=176&amp;tx=65&amp;ty=37&amp;page=1&amp;ndsp=18&amp;ved=1t:429, r:7,s:0), the man looks like hes chiseled from stone:
This from scout.com
<SPAN class=storybody>TE DWAYNE ALLEN - (6-4, 255)
Make no mistake, Allen will have enough passes thrown his way to shatter Michael Palmer's reception record for a tight end in 2009 (43). Assuming his hands are as good as advertised, it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest Allen could haul in 50 or 55 passes this season. Simply put, if Clemson's offense is going to come anywhere close to its production from a year ago, Allen will be a major reason why.

and walterfootball:
</SPAN>Dwayne Allen*, TE, Clemson
Height: 6-4. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 2.
5/20/11: Dwayne Allen set the record for most receiving yardage for a sophomore tight end in Clemson history; he caught 31 balls for 356 yards.

</P>


Yeah Allen is pretty good and George Bryan from NC State looks like an NFL Starter but these other guys like Egnew are just Big receivers. They rarely if ever block. There are becoming fewer and fewer guys like Brandon Petigrew out there.</P>

juice33s
06-04-2011, 11:47 AM
Also keep an eye on the Michigan State TE Dion Sims. The Former basketball player missed the 2010 season b/c of suspension (theft of laptop), but the guy looks to be a real physical specimen standing at 6'6" and weighing around 270-280

Raptor22
06-06-2011, 01:03 PM
Also keep an eye on the Michigan State TE Dion Sims. The Former basketball player missed the 2010 season b/c of suspension (theft of laptop), but the guy looks to be a real physical specimen standing at 6'6" and weighing around 270-280


Ooo... big former basketball player. That would be a guy to watch out for.

Just in case anyone cares, CBSsports has their stupidly early 2012 mock's out... both mocks have the Giants drafting a linebacker at 18. One has Jerry taking Zach Brown, the other has Vontaze Burfict (the first draft has Burfict going to the jets at 32... I think he's got his NY teams confused).


Side Note: Any other news on Quenton Coples? Anyone think JR would waste half a second sprinting to the podium if he takes the Austin route and is around in the 2nd?

Raptor22
06-21-2011, 04:28 PM
Underclassmen to keep your eye on (http://www.cbssports.com/#%21/nfl/draft/story/15252618/watch-out-for-these-underclassman-breakout-candidates)

Arthur and Bryce Brown, ILB/RB, Kansas State
Both Brown
brothers were among the top prospects in the country in their
recruiting class out of Wichita East High School -- Arthur as a
linebacker in 2008 and Bryce at running back in 2009. After
originally signing with Miami (Fla.) and Tennessee, respectively,
they find themselves together again in Manhattan, much closer to
home. Scouts took note of their performances in the Wildcats'
spring game, as redshirt junior Arthur posted 14 stops (nearly
matching the 17 stops he had for Miami in 2008-2009) and redshirt
sophomore Brown gained 73 yards and scored twice. Though Arthur is
undersized at 6-feet-1, 225 pounds, his speed and explosive
tackling could earn him a high grade with a strong junior year.
Bryce will be compared to former KSU back and Miami Dolphins
second-round pick Daniel Thomas, but his size (6-0, 220), speed and
running style might be closer to Oklahoma Sooners star and future
Dallas Cowboy DeMarco Murray.

Kwame Geathers, DT, Georgia
A
redshirt sophomore, Geathers has NFL lineage to go with his 6-6,
326-pound frame. His brothers Robert and Clifton followed their
uncle "Jumpy" to the NFL. Geathers made the coaches All-SEC
Freshman team despite only seven tackles in eight games last
season, but really excelled in the spring, winning the team's
Defensive MVP award. His height, strength and ability to clog running
lanes and push the pocket from the middle might remind scouts of
former SEC underclass first-rounders like John Henderson and
Albert Haynesworth.
</p>

Gerald Hodges, OLB, Penn State
The Nittany Lions
will be "Linebacker U" again if Hodges can blossom into the
playmaker the team needs next to steady performers Michael Mauti
and Nathan Stupar. The former safety had 31 tackles, 2½ for loss,
in eight games last year but now has a chance to star as the
weak-side starter. His tape in the team's Outback Bowl loss to
Florida offered glimpses of the force he could become as a chase
'backer attacking run plays behind the line. He can quickly cover
his third of the field with sub-4.6 speed. Coaches say he has made
progress in understanding his role on defense during the
offseason. </p>

Jonathan Massaquoi, DE/OLB, Troy
The
next Troy pass rusher went Fairley's route, attending Butler
County Community College out of high school and racking up 11½
sacks in his only season there. After redshirting in 2009, he
busted out with an All-Sun Belt season (20½ tackles for loss, 13½
sacks) by using a strong first step and low center of gravity to
turn the corner as a pass rusher. Before the Liberia native joins
cousins Visanthe Shiancoe (Minnesota Vikings tight end) and
Mohamed Massaquoi (Cleveland Browns wide receiver) in the NFL, he'll
need to use his hands to disengage from blockers more consistently.
But like last year, when defensive tackle Mohammed Wilkerson
really made his name as Temple took on Penn State early in the
season, Massaquoi has two chances to impress scouts in September
road games at Clemson and Arkansas. Big performances in one or
both contests against ACC and SEC competition will get him on the
top-50 radar. </p>

Brandon McGee, CB, Miami (Fla.)
McGee
couldn't get on the field regularly with junior All-ACC pick
Brandon Harris and seniors Demarcus Van Dyke and Ryan Hill in
front of him on the depth chart last season. He has only 17 career
tackles and two pass breakups, which is miniscule production
considering McGee played in 21 games his first two years on campus
and has the size/speed combination (6-0/190/4.32) scouts expect
to find when they arrive in Coral Gables each fall. With junior
safeties Ray-Ray Armstrong and Vaughn Telemaque playing behind him and
defensive-minded head coach Al Golden now in the fold, McGee has
the license to play aggressively on the outside. </p>

Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
Somewhat
hidden inside in Texas' hybrid defensive scheme, Okafor moves
outside to take over for Sam Acho. In this spot, Okafor should
unleash his power and quickness off the edge to harass opposing
quarterbacks. He actually started his assault early, racking up
four sacks in the team's spring game. Okafor won't be the only
breakout performer on the Longhorns' defense, but he'll be the one
monitored closely by NFL observers. True sophomores Jackson Jeffcoat
(defensive end) and Ashton Dorsey (defensive tackle) must wait until
after at least the 2012 season before they can declare for the
draft.
</p>Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
Last season was supposed to be
Sanu's breakout campaign, a follow-up to the great potential he showed
as a rushing/receiving/Wildcat quarterback as a freshman.
Hamstring and leg injuries limited him, however, in the second
half of 2010 so he managed only 418 yards and two touchdowns on 44
receptions. Even with the transfer of Tom Savage, Sanu should
still be a main target for Chas Dodd and the Scarlet Knights
offense. A productive, healthy 2011 displaying his strong hands
and tough running after the catch will put him in the conversation
for a late first- or early second-round draft slot.

Jeff Tuel, QB, Washington State
While all of the talk in
the Evergreen State surrounded Huskies quarterback Jake Locker in
recent seasons, Tuel quietly had a pretty good sophomore season in
2010. He completed 59.8 percent of his passes for 2,780 yards and
18 touchdowns -- better marks than his hyped in-state rival.
Tuel's mobility and touch on fades and deep passes are impressive,
as is his competitive nature on the field; like Locker, he'll
need to take better care of his body when scrambling. He has
gotten stronger this offseason, so more consistency driving the
ball downfield and eliminating the interceptions (12 in 2010) as
he matures will earn him top grades from NFL scouts in the 2012 or
2013 draft.

David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
Despite
Wilson being stuck in a rotation with Darren Evans and Ryan
Williams, and thus getting less than nine carries a game, he
flashed a burst indicative of his 4.3 speed and some toughness to
bounce off tackles and even carry a defender over the first-down
marker. His two kickoff returns for touchdowns also showed scouts
how difficult it is to get the angle on him in the open field.
Head coach Frank Beamer will split carries between Wilson and
senior Josh Oglesby this year, but an increased workload and steady
improvement in his cut decisiveness could boost him into the top 40
(where Williams was drafted by Arizona in April). </p>

Redeyejedi
06-21-2011, 04:39 PM
Underclassmen to keep your eye on (http://www.cbssports.com/#%21/nfl/draft/story/15252618/watch-out-for-these-underclassman-breakout-candidates)

Arthur and Bryce Brown, ILB/RB, Kansas State
Both Brown brothers were among the top prospects in the country in their recruiting class out of Wichita East High School -- Arthur as a linebacker in 2008 and Bryce at running back in 2009. After originally signing with Miami (Fla.) and Tennessee, respectively, they find themselves together again in Manhattan, much closer to home. Scouts took note of their performances in the Wildcats' spring game, as redshirt junior Arthur posted 14 stops (nearly matching the 17 stops he had for Miami in 2008-2009) and redshirt sophomore Brown gained 73 yards and scored twice. Though Arthur is undersized at 6-feet-1, 225 pounds, his speed and explosive tackling could earn him a high grade with a strong junior year. Bryce will be compared to former KSU back and Miami Dolphins second-round pick Daniel Thomas, but his size (6-0, 220), speed and running style might be closer to Oklahoma Sooners star and future Dallas Cowboy DeMarco Murray.


Kwame Geathers, DT, Georgia
A redshirt sophomore, Geathers has NFL lineage to go with his 6-6, 326-pound frame. His brothers Robert and Clifton followed their uncle "Jumpy" to the NFL. Geathers made the coaches All-SEC Freshman team despite only seven tackles in eight games last season, but really excelled in the spring, winning the team's Defensive MVP award. His height, strength and ability to clog running lanes and push the pocket from the middle might remind scouts of former SEC underclass first-rounders like John Henderson and Albert Haynesworth.
</P>


Gerald Hodges, OLB, Penn State
The Nittany Lions will be "Linebacker U" again if Hodges can blossom into the playmaker the team needs next to steady performers Michael Mauti and Nathan Stupar. The former safety had 31 tackles, 2½ for loss, in eight games last year but now has a chance to star as the weak-side starter. His tape in the team's Outback Bowl loss to Florida offered glimpses of the force he could become as a chase 'backer attacking run plays behind the line. He can quickly cover his third of the field with sub-4.6 speed. Coaches say he has made progress in understanding his role on defense during the offseason. </P>


Jonathan Massaquoi, DE/OLB, Troy
The next Troy pass rusher went Fairley's route, attending Butler County Community College out of high school and racking up 11½ sacks in his only season there. After redshirting in 2009, he busted out with an All-Sun Belt season (20½ tackles for loss, 13½ sacks) by using a strong first step and low center of gravity to turn the corner as a pass rusher. Before the Liberia native joins cousins Visanthe Shiancoe (Minnesota Vikings tight end) and Mohamed Massaquoi (Cleveland Browns wide receiver) in the NFL, he'll need to use his hands to disengage from blockers more consistently. But like last year, when defensive tackle Mohammed Wilkerson really made his name as Temple took on Penn State early in the season, Massaquoi has two chances to impress scouts in September road games at Clemson and Arkansas. Big performances in one or both contests against ACC and SEC competition will get him on the top-50 radar. </P>


Brandon McGee, CB, Miami (Fla.)
McGee couldn't get on the field regularly with junior All-ACC pick Brandon Harris and seniors Demarcus Van Dyke and Ryan Hill in front of him on the depth chart last season. He has only 17 career tackles and two pass breakups, which is miniscule production considering McGee played in 21 games his first two years on campus and has the size/speed combination (6-0/190/4.32) scouts expect to find when they arrive in Coral Gables each fall. With junior safeties Ray-Ray Armstrong and Vaughn Telemaque playing behind him and defensive-minded head coach Al Golden now in the fold, McGee has the license to play aggressively on the outside. </P>


Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
Somewhat hidden inside in Texas' hybrid defensive scheme, Okafor moves outside to take over for Sam Acho. In this spot, Okafor should unleash his power and quickness off the edge to harass opposing quarterbacks. He actually started his assault early, racking up four sacks in the team's spring game. Okafor won't be the only breakout performer on the Longhorns' defense, but he'll be the one monitored closely by NFL observers. True sophomores Jackson Jeffcoat (defensive end) and Ashton Dorsey (defensive tackle) must wait until after at least the 2012 season before they can declare for the draft.
</P>Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
Last season was supposed to be Sanu's breakout campaign, a follow-up to the great potential he showed as a rushing/receiving/Wildcat quarterback as a freshman. Hamstring and leg injuries limited him, however, in the second half of 2010 so he managed only 418 yards and two touchdowns on 44 receptions. Even with the transfer of Tom Savage, Sanu should still be a main target for Chas Dodd and the Scarlet Knights offense. A productive, healthy 2011 displaying his strong hands and tough running after the catch will put him in the conversation for a late first- or early second-round draft slot.

Jeff Tuel, QB, Washington State
While all of the talk in the Evergreen State surrounded Huskies quarterback Jake Locker in recent seasons, Tuel quietly had a pretty good sophomore season in 2010. He completed 59.8 percent of his passes for 2,780 yards and 18 touchdowns -- better marks than his hyped in-state rival. Tuel's mobility and touch on fades and deep passes are impressive, as is his competitive nature on the field; like Locker, he'll need to take better care of his body when scrambling. He has gotten stronger this offseason, so more consistency driving the ball downfield and eliminating the interceptions (12 in 2010) as he matures will earn him top grades from NFL scouts in the 2012 or 2013 draft.


David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
Despite Wilson being stuck in a rotation with Darren Evans and Ryan Williams, and thus getting less than nine carries a game, he flashed a burst indicative of his 4.3 speed and some toughness to bounce off tackles and even carry a defender over the first-down marker. His two kickoff returns for touchdowns also showed scouts how difficult it is to get the angle on him in the open field. Head coach Frank Beamer will split carries between Wilson and senior Josh Oglesby this year, but an increased workload and steady improvement in his cut decisiveness could boost him into the top 40 (where Williams was drafted by Arizona in April). </P>



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Jonathan Massaquoi, DE/OLB, Troy
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I really love what ive seen from him. I will be all over his game tapes this year</P>

Redeyejedi
06-22-2011, 07:59 AM
If they expand the rosters to 60 U guys think they will add another Round to the draft.</P>

Raptor22
06-22-2011, 10:11 AM
If they expand the rosters to 60 U guys think they will add another Round to the draft.</p>


Dunno, but it would certainly be interesting if they did.

Expanding the roster and not expanding the draft would certainly help the veterans and the UDFA's (who, they say, are better off going undrafted anyway).


What I'm wondering is: what would the draft have look like if there is no 2011 season?

Would they keep the 2010 order, or have a draft lottery, where you they have a drawing for position (actually, I vote a drawing for each round). That would make things VERY interesting.

Redeyejedi
06-29-2011, 07:29 AM
http://www.the-dispatch.com/article/20110629/COLUMNISTS/306299995/1044/sports?Title=Wisconsin-39-s-big-prize</P>


Russel Wilson ends up at Wisconsin. Should be interesting to see him behind an awesome O-line. He could be very productive there</P>

Raptor22
06-29-2011, 11:24 AM
http://www.the-dispatch.com/article/20110629/COLUMNISTS/306299995/1044/sports?Title=Wisconsin-39-s-big-prize</p>


Russel Wilson ends up at Wisconsin. Should be interesting to see him behind an awesome O-line. He could be very productive there</p>

I saw that on Monday (ESPN was actually good for something!)

Wisconsin became one of my schools to watch (along with Oregon, Stanford, Boise State, and North Carolina)

nycsportzfan
06-30-2011, 06:15 AM
I've mentioned this guy a bunch of times, but i will keep hammering it into your guys brains.. We need to get a ISAIAH PEAD video going! I don't care where hes ranked, or whatever, this dude is gonna find himself as a starter, he can catch, he can get the big gainer, take contact and keep moving, hes shifty, got enough size...etc..etc I've seen him play a few times, ISAIAH PEAD is a guy to watch out for....


Its no surprise to me, i seen some RANKINGS on BIG EAST RB's, and CINCY is 1st according to ESPN, with PEAD as the main reason... Please do a Pead video REDEYE!

Redeyejedi
06-30-2011, 07:12 AM
I've mentioned this guy a bunch of times, but i will keep hammering it into your guys brains.. We need to get a ISAIAH PEAD video going! I don't care where hes ranked, or whatever, this dude is gonna find himself as a starter, he can catch, he can get the big gainer, take contact and keep moving, hes shifty, got enough size...etc..etc I've seen him play a few times, ISAIAH PEAD is a guy to watch out for....


Its no surprise to me, i seen some RANKINGS on BIG EAST RB's, and CINCY is 1st according to ESPN, with PEAD as the main reason... Please do a Pead video REDEYE!
Ive been trying to get the Oklahoma and Rutgers games for awhile. no one has seeded the Rutgers game since Feb

thegreatone
06-30-2011, 08:41 AM
are the tight ends next year gonna be as good as the class of 2010?TE is a dying position it seems. There arent many guys that are a good combination of blocking and receiving.
Keep and eye on Dwayne Allen from Clemson (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/82/823295.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=http://clemson.scout.com/2/983625.html&amp;usg=__pw_Os7U4SITaBJuc9WZDzjmqif0=&amp;h=1 65&amp;w=220&amp;sz=15&amp;hl=en&amp;start=0&amp;zoom=1&amp;tbnid=NqkGciXe 8qTmoM:&amp;tbnh=132&amp;tbnw=176&amp;ei=-k_qTbTGDojKgQfhhKXZCQ&amp;prev=/search%3Fq%3DDwayne%2BAllen%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26c lient%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D637%26tbm%3Disch&amp; um=1&amp;itbs=1&amp;iact=hc&amp;vpx=401&amp;vpy=302&amp;dur=151&amp;hovh=1 32&amp;hovw=176&amp;tx=65&amp;ty=37&amp;page=1&amp;ndsp=18&amp;ved=1t:429, r:7,s:0), the man looks like hes chiseled from stone:
This from scout.com
<span class="storybody"> TE DWAYNE ALLEN - (6-4, 255)

Make no mistake, Allen will have enough passes thrown his way to shatter
Michael Palmer's reception record for a tight end in 2009 (43).
Assuming his hands are as good as advertised, it wouldn't be a stretch
to suggest Allen could haul in 50 or 55 passes this season. Simply put,
if Clemson's offense is going to come anywhere close to its production
from a year ago, Allen will be a major reason why.


and walterfootball:
</span>Dwayne Allen*, TE, Clemson

Height: 6-4. Weight: 255.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2012): 2.


5/20/11: Dwayne Allen set the record for most receiving yardage
for a sophomore tight end in Clemson history; he caught 31 balls for
356 yards.




yeah i was asking about him before the combine thinking he was a junior. seen him in a couple games last year and was VERY impressed.

thegreatone
06-30-2011, 08:45 AM
I've mentioned this guy a bunch of times, but i will keep hammering it into your guys brains.. We need to get a ISAIAH PEAD video going! I don't care where hes ranked, or whatever, this dude is gonna find himself as a starter, he can catch, he can get the big gainer, take contact and keep moving, hes shifty, got enough size...etc..etc I've seen him play a few times, ISAIAH PEAD is a guy to watch out for....


Its no surprise to me, i seen some RANKINGS on BIG EAST RB's, and CINCY is 1st according to ESPN, with PEAD as the main reason... Please do a Pead video REDEYE!
i think pead is gonna shoot up charts this year. i REALLY like that kid. great, great, vision and is the no1 thing i look at in rb's.

Redeyejedi
06-30-2011, 08:27 PM
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http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1236008</P>


The nation's top returning pass rusher didn't start a single game last season. But if you think that's the most surprising fact about <FONT color=#0a4ea3>West Virginia</FONT> (http://westvirginia.rivals.com/) senior defensive end <FONT color=#0a4ea3>Bruce Irvin</FONT> (http://collegefootball.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=435095), you don't know the half of it. </P>

nycsportzfan
07-01-2011, 08:46 AM
I've mentioned this guy a bunch of times, but i will keep hammering it into your guys brains.. We need to get a ISAIAH PEAD video going! I don't care where hes ranked, or whatever, this dude is gonna find himself as a starter, he can catch, he can get the big gainer, take contact and keep moving, hes shifty, got enough size...etc..etc I've seen him play a few times, ISAIAH PEAD is a guy to watch out for....


Its no surprise to me, i seen some RANKINGS on BIG EAST RB's, and CINCY is 1st according to ESPN, with PEAD as the main reason... Please do a Pead video REDEYE!
Ive been trying to get the Oklahoma and Rutgers games for awhile. no one has seeded the Rutgers game since Febbummer.

nycsportzfan
07-01-2011, 08:47 AM
I've mentioned this guy a bunch of times, but i will keep hammering it into your guys brains.. We need to get a ISAIAH PEAD video going! I don't care where hes ranked, or whatever, this dude is gonna find himself as a starter, he can catch, he can get the big gainer, take contact and keep moving, hes shifty, got enough size...etc..etc I've seen him play a few times, ISAIAH PEAD is a guy to watch out for....


Its no surprise to me, i seen some RANKINGS on BIG EAST RB's, and CINCY is 1st according to ESPN, with PEAD as the main reason... Please do a Pead video REDEYE!
i think pead is gonna shoot up charts this year. i REALLY like that kid. great, great, vision and is the no1 thing i look at in rb's.
Yup, i think so.. Hes quietly been extremely productive, and i agree, hes got alot going for him, including vision, wiggle, will take contact, despite not being a huge back, can catch...etc Hes a All around good back, kinda reminds me of our own Ahmad Bradshaw...

Redeyejedi
07-01-2011, 12:27 PM
I've mentioned this guy a bunch of times, but i will keep hammering it into your guys brains.. We need to get a ISAIAH PEAD video going! I don't care where hes ranked, or whatever, this dude is gonna find himself as a starter, he can catch, he can get the big gainer, take contact and keep moving, hes shifty, got enough size...etc..etc I've seen him play a few times, ISAIAH PEAD is a guy to watch out for....


Its no surprise to me, i seen some RANKINGS on BIG EAST RB's, and CINCY is 1st according to ESPN, with PEAD as the main reason... Please do a Pead video REDEYE!
Ive been trying to get the Oklahoma and Rutgers games for awhile. no one has seeded the Rutgers game since Febbummer.I really want the Rutgers game he had like 4TD's and 200 yards. Also I want the game because Mark Harrision of Rutgers had a huge day as well. I will get the Oklahoma one eventually though I think

titwio
07-08-2011, 02:31 AM
Hey Redeye....Was wondering if you had any Mitch Petrus videos.

I know it's nothing to do with the 2012 draft but I've been searching for vids and have been coming up short.

Let me know...If not then no worries.

Redeyejedi
07-10-2011, 07:43 PM
Miami 2011 Sophomore Storm Johnson "perfect name for the Hurricanes" is transferring to Central Florida amidst the regime change in Miami. Rumor is the Number 6 RB recruit in2010didnt want to compete for carries and wanted the job handed to him and Central Florida will have no problem doing that. He only had 9 carries as a freshman but I have to say certainly looked like a big time RB busting that 70 yard run against South Florida. Look for him to get major carries at Central Florida next year.</P>

Raptor22
07-12-2011, 04:02 PM
Just saw that Caleb King (RB-Georgia) is declaring for the supplemental draft after being ruled academically ineligible for next season. So, what's the word on him?

doesn't look that productive, but I also don't know enough about Georgia's offense to know if that's his fault or circumstance. I did see one report that said he's an "ankle breaker"...

for his sake I hope they mean that in a different way than Bradshaw does =\

Redeyejedi
07-19-2011, 01:40 PM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/ncaa-football/video-usc%E2%80%99s-drunk-marc-tyler-talks-kim-kardashian-suspended</P>


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Did U guys see the Marc Tyler TMZ vids . H has now been suspended from the Football team. I mean he was just joking but he had to know this was a dumb idea. U guys got to see this</P>

Raptor22
07-19-2011, 06:28 PM
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/ncaa-football/video-usc%E2%80%99s-drunk-marc-tyler-talks-kim-kardashian-suspended</p>


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Did U guys see the Marc Tyler TMZ vids . H has now been suspended from the Football team. I mean he was just joking but he had to know this was a dumb idea. U guys got to see this</p>

How could anyone NOT see it, its been all over everywhere. ESPN's been running it every 5 minutes...


He's already had problems at USC (or is it B?)... I wonder if he'll be sorry when he goes undrafted? (maturity issues on top of production issues in a running back... not good)

nycsportzfan
07-24-2011, 08:31 AM
My 100th draft vid</p>
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Cameron Jordan vs Washington State</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL0NX6TTx9s) </div>
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<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Shane Vereen vs Washington State</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDtNsld8Qk) </div></div> ya, i really like shane vereen... I'm surprised hes predicted by alot to go in the 4th rd, i could definetly see him go earlier then most think, early 3rd ish....


Just reading some of our prior to the draft thoughts... THe pats agreed with me, and didn't think Shane was a 4th round pick like alot of people did.. I bet Shane ends up being a big deal in NE and becomes there main RB eventually...

nycsportzfan
07-24-2011, 08:36 AM
The more I look through the 2011 draft the more Im stunned by the depth.

A guy like Quan Sturdivant is a first round talent, even if he has a very good year he may not get drafted till like the 3rd round.

A guy like Noel Devine much the same. Maybe a 3rd rounder, even if he does run a 4.25 at the combine.

Deunta Williams the FS may also not go until the 3rd or later.

There are at least 4 senior DEs that are going to be first rounders, maybe 5. And there are a couple juniors that could be 1st round DEs - Robert Quinn specifically. Another pretty good OT class, could be 5 or more taken in the 1st round.

The safety class looks relatively weak, at least compared to last year. CB isnt as strong either, not as much depth though the top guys (Amakamara and Peterson if he declares) are better than the guys last year.

The senior WR class is also pretty weak this year. Depending on what the Jr's do, this has a great chance of being a deep safety class.. U potentially could have Rahim Moore who had 10ints last yr, Will Hill, Mark Barron, Deunta Williams, Tyler Sash all coming out, i'm sure a couple won't but still, i fully expect at least 3or4 of em 2 declare, with williams being a sr... THen u got some depth with Shiloh Keo of Idaho, and A sleeper of mine, Davonte Shannon of U of Buffalo..

As for OT, i coulden't agree more, its a loaded class! U got this yrs Freak in Nate Solder of COL, u got Anthony Costanzo, u got Big Matt Reynolds of BYU(great future replacement for Kareem), Lee Ziemba, Demarcus Love of ARK, Derrok Sharrod of MISS ST, Nate Potter of Boise St, Marcus Cannon of TCU, Theres a heck of alot of talent there...

Definetly gotta cop one of the Centers, outta Wisnewski, Pouncey, O'Dowd, or Colin Baxter... If we wait till mid rds, Dan Wegner of ND is a guy to look out for.....

LB is loaded, with Chris Gallipo of USC, greg jones of MICH ST., Travis Lewis of OU(my fave LB), Mark Herzlich of BC, Kelvin Sheppard of LSU, Bruce Carter of UNC, moster Sleeper prospect in DONTAY MOCH, who rumour has it, runs a 4.30 40 as a 245 lb LB/DE!!!! Un freaking Real if thats any where near true...

RB's pretty deep with Quizz, Noel Devine, Daniel Thomas of K'ST, Ryan WIlliams or Va Tech, Mark Ingram, and SLEEPERS such as Brandon Saine, and Roy Helu..... Plus Demarco Murray and Evan Royster, almost forgot about them...

TE's kinda weak this yr, with Ky rudolph and Weslye Suanders leading the way....

Guard seems kinda weak as well....

CB is pretty deep as well, could end up with a guy like chimidi chekwa in possibly 3rd rd.. And its deep for sleepers with guys like Johnny Patrick and Darrin Walls in the class...

DE is loaded

Its pretty loaded class right through to be honest, almost as loaded as last yrs class, of course, the JR"s will play a part in how deep the class really is, but on potential, MY LORD! It should be fun...
Man, this is from AUGUST of 2010...lol Not bad, being it was before the last season even began... Its mad fun going through this thread.. I feel good about alot of what i said prior to the draft, all though if u read, there are as usual some things that didn't work out...lol

nycsportzfan
07-24-2011, 08:42 AM
Rob Rang biting my style.. I had chose IAN WILLIAMS as my top UDF out there, in what looks like one heck of a UDF class, and he just came out with a list and WILLIAMS lead the way, also Martin Parker is on it, another guy i put on the UDF threads that were up after the draft... When we lose Cofield, i would really like to somehow snag either Martin Parker or Ian Williams.. Parker for rushing the passer, and he has great strength, and Ian for his Run Stuffing abiltiy.. Also, we got to get one of those safties! I mean, Deunta, Lefeged, Silva, tarrant, there are some freaking good safties on those lists.. I really like Darrin Walls as a EXP'd CB out there with solid size and good run stopping ability... Woulden't mind seeing Redeyes guy Shuylar Oordt come in as a UDF for the TE positon... Pat Devlin is 100pct the QB i would crave for outta the UDF's with Josh Portis showing some legit upside, and yet another DT that excites me a bit is Ced Thornton.... Armon Binns, Maehl and Sazenbacher are all guys i spoke of as late rd picks or UDF's i think could make some noise as well..







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By Chad Reuter (http://www.cbssports.com/columns/writers/reuter)

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Hundreds of undrafted free agents whose phones didn't ring in the
hours after the end of the seventh round of the 2011 NFL Draft was
completed are about to become much more popular than they were
during the four-month lockout. </p>

In a historic
situation that prevented NFL contract-related business from being
conducted, undrafted free agents can't be signed until the labor
mess is sorted out and player transactions are cleared to be
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total draft picks, hundreds of veteran unrestricted and restricted
free agents -- fighting for attention from the 32 pro teams in
this first-of-its-kind, two-week free agency window.


Typically, teams are on the phone with their top undrafted free-agent
targets throughout the final day of the event, trying to convince
them to sign on and many negotiate bigger signing bonuses than
late-round draft picks as agents review each team's draft picks
and seek the best fits for their clients. </p>

A
fair number of talented players from the college ranks remained
available after Mr. Irrelevant, Houston Texans linebacker Cheta Ozougwu
(from Rice University), was selected with the 254th pick. </p>


Below is a refresher course on the top five players available
overall, and the top five at each position when the curtain is
finally raised on what is certain to be an entertaining 2011 free
agency period. </p>

1. DT Ian Williams, Notre Dame
Williams fought through a knee injury in 2010, but his toughness
and hustle from the interior could allow him to contribute for a
long time as a solid, if not overly flashy, 4-3 nose
tackle/one-technique. </p>

2. WR Terrance Toliver, LSU
Toliver's tape isn't superior, but his size/speed combination
still typically earns an SEC receiver some sort of draft slot. He
also looked good at the end of the season and at the East-West
Shrine Game. He should latch on with a team interested in a
vertical route-runner with enough size to create mismatches against
smaller cornerbacks. </p>

3. QB Pat Devlin, Delaware
The Penn State transfer did not impress scouts with his arm
strength at the East-West Shrine Game or his pro day, but his
performance was not so poor that most didn't expect him to be
drafted late. Though he ran primarily out of shotgun for the Blue
Hens, he came out from under center at Penn State and has the size,
athleticism and intelligence to stick on a roster as a backup or
potential spot starter. </p>

4. CB Ryan Jones, Northwest Missouri State
It was surprising that a solid cornerback who produced for a
powerhouse Division II program and who blew up his pro day
(40-inch vertical, 4.46 40 at 5-11, 198 pounds, 19 reps of 225
pounds) went undrafted. He is raw in his coverage and tackling
techniques to be sure, but it won't be surprising to see him stick
as a nickel back with potential as a starter down the line. </p>

5. DT Martin Parker, Richmond
Another small-school prospect, Parker showed up big-time at the
East-West Shrine Game, but teams didn't appreciate his film enough
to select him even late in the draft. Given time and coaching,
Parker could be an interesting three-technique prospect who
provides pass rush as a high-effort wave player. </p>

Top Undrafted Players by Position </p>

Quarterbacks </p>

1. Adam Froman (Louisville) </p>

2. Taylor Potts (Texas Tech) </p>

3. Adam Weber (Minnesota) </p>

4. Josh Portis (California (PA)) </p>

5. Scott Tolzien (Wisconsin) </p>

Running backs </p>


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2. Noel Devine (West Virginia) </p>

3. Mario Fannin (Auburn) </p>

4. Damien Berry (Miami) </p>

5. Brandon Saine (Ohio State) </p>

Wide receivers </p>

1. Dane Sanzenbacher (Ohio State) </p>

2. Darvin Adams (Auburn) </p>

3. Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State) </p>

4. Jeff Maehl (Oregon) </p>

5. Armon Binns (Cincinnati) </p>

Tight ends </p>

1. Andre Smith (Virginia Tech) </p>

2. Schuylar Oordt (Northern Iowa) </p>

3. Collin Franklin (Iowa State) </p>

4. Weslye Saunders (South Carolina) </p>

5. Zack Pianalto (North Carolina) </p>

Offensive tackles </p>

1. Derek Hall (Stanford) </p>

2. Willie Smith (East Carolina) </p>

3. David Mims (Virginia Union) </p>

4. D.J. Young (Michigan State) </p>

5. Trevis Turner (Abilene Christian) </p>

Offensive guards </p>

1. Zach Hurd (Connecticut) </p>

2. Ray Dominguez (Arkansas) </p>

3. Carl Johnson (Florida) </p>

4. Justin Boren (Ohio State) </p>

5. Andrew Phillips (Stanford) </p>

Centers </p>

1. Kris O'Dowd (Southern Cal) </p>

2. Zane Taylor (Utah) </p>

3. Tim Barnes (Missouri) </p>

4. Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU) </p>

5. Alex Linnenkohl (Oregon State) </p>

Defensive ends </p>

1. Ugo Chinasa (Oklahoma State) </p>

2. Brandon Bair (Oregon) </p>

3. Pierre Allen (Nebraska) </p>

4. Eddie Jones (Texas) </p>

5. Marc Schiechl (Colorado School of Mines) </p>

Defensive tackles </p>

1. Cedric Thornton (Southern Arkansas) </p>

2. Ollie Ogbu (Penn State) </p>

3. Sealver Siliga (Utah) </p>

4. Anthony Gray (Southern Miss) </p>

5. Corbin Bryant (Northwestern) </p>

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3. Josh Bynes (Auburn) </p>

4. Nick Bellore (Central Michigan) </p>

5. Orie Lemon (Oklahoma State) </p>

Outside linebackers </p>

1. Adrian Moten (Maryland) </p>

2. Mark Herzlich (Boston College) </p>

3. Jeremiha Hunter (Iowa) </p>

4. Scott Lutrus (Connecticut) </p>

5. Thomas Keiser (Stanford) </p>

Cornerbacks </p>

1. Kendric Burney (North Carolina) </p>

2. Loyce Means (Houston) </p>

3. Talmadge Jackson III (Oregon) </p>

4. Kevin Rutland (Missouri) </p>

5. Darrin Walls (Notre Dame) </p>

Free safeties </p>

1. Deunta Williams (North Carolina) </p>

2. Jerrard Tarrant (Georgia Tech) </p>

3. Anthony Walters (Delaware) </p>

4. Will Hill (Florida) </p>

5. Brian Lainhart (Kent State) </p>

Strong safeties </p>

1. DeAndre McDaniel (Clemson) </p>

2. Joe Lefeged (Rutgers) </p>

3. Jeron Johnson (Boise State) </p>

4. Mana Silva (Hawaii) </p>

5. David Sims (Iowa State) </p>

Specialists </p>

1. Kai Forbath (UCLA) </p>

2. Josh Jasper (LSU) </p>

3. Dan Bailey (Oklahoma State) </p> 4. Chas Henry (Florida)

Redeyejedi
07-24-2011, 09:12 AM
Rob Rang biting my style.. I had chose IAN WILLIAMS as my top UDF out there, in what looks like one heck of a UDF class, and he just came out with a list and WILLIAMS lead the way, also Martin Parker is on it, another guy i put on the UDF threads that were up after the draft... When we lose Cofield, i would really like to somehow snag either Martin Parker or Ian Williams.. Parker for rushing the passer, and he has great strength, and Ian for his Run Stuffing abiltiy.. Also, we got to get one of those safties! I mean, Deunta, Lefeged, Silva, tarrant, there are some freaking good safties on those lists.. I really like Darrin Walls as a EXP'd CB out there with solid size and good run stopping ability... Woulden't mind seeing Redeyes guy Shuylar Oordt come in as a UDF for the TE positon... Pat Devlin is 100pct the QB i would crave for outta the UDF's with Josh Portis showing some legit upside, and yet another DT that excites me a bit is Ced Thornton.... Armon Binns, Maehl and Sazenbacher are all guys i spoke of as late rd picks or UDF's i think could make some noise as well..



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Hundreds of undrafted free agents whose phones didn't ring in the hours after the end of the seventh round of the 2011 NFL Draft was completed are about to become much more popular than they were during the four-month lockout. </P>


In a historic situation that prevented NFL contract-related business from being conducted, undrafted free agents can't be signed until the labor mess is sorted out and player transactions are cleared to be processed by the league office. </P>


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<TD width=15></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>They'll be in queue with many others -- 254 total draft picks, hundreds of veteran unrestricted and restricted free agents -- fighting for attention from the 32 pro teams in this first-of-its-kind, two-week free agency window.


Typically, teams are on the phone with their top undrafted free-agent targets throughout the final day of the event, trying to convince them to sign on and many negotiate bigger signing bonuses than late-round draft picks as agents review each team's draft picks and seek the best fits for their clients. </P>


A fair number of talented players from the college ranks remained available after Mr. Irrelevant, Houston Texans linebacker Cheta Ozougwu (from Rice University), was selected with the 254th pick. </P>


Below is a refresher course on the top five players available overall, and the top five at each position when the curtain is finally raised on what is certain to be an entertaining 2011 free agency period. </P>


1. DT Ian Williams, Notre Dame Williams fought through a knee injury in 2010, but his toughness and hustle from the interior could allow him to contribute for a long time as a solid, if not overly flashy, 4-3 nose tackle/one-technique. </P>


2. WR Terrance Toliver, LSU Toliver's tape isn't superior, but his size/speed combination still typically earns an SEC receiver some sort of draft slot. He also looked good at the end of the season and at the East-West Shrine Game. He should latch on with a team interested in a vertical route-runner with enough size to create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks. </P>


3. QB Pat Devlin, Delaware The Penn State transfer did not impress scouts with his arm strength at the East-West Shrine Game or his pro day, but his performance was not so poor that most didn't expect him to be drafted late. Though he ran primarily out of shotgun for the Blue Hens, he came out from under center at Penn State and has the size, athleticism and intelligence to stick on a roster as a backup or potential spot starter. </P>


4. CB Ryan Jones, Northwest Missouri State It was surprising that a solid cornerback who produced for a powerhouse Division II program and who blew up his pro day (40-inch vertical, 4.46 40 at 5-11, 198 pounds, 19 reps of 225 pounds) went undrafted. He is raw in his coverage and tackling techniques to be sure, but it won't be surprising to see him stick as a nickel back with potential as a starter down the line. </P>


5. DT Martin Parker, Richmond Another small-school prospect, Parker showed up big-time at the East-West Shrine Game, but teams didn't appreciate his film enough to select him even late in the draft. Given time and coaching, Parker could be an interesting three-technique prospect who provides pass rush as a high-effort wave player. </P>


Top Undrafted Players by Position </P>


Quarterbacks </P>


1. Adam Froman (Louisville) </P>


2. Taylor Potts (Texas Tech) </P>


3. Adam Weber (Minnesota) </P>


4. Josh Portis (California (PA)) </P>


5. Scott Tolzien (Wisconsin) </P>


Running backs </P>


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2. Noel Devine (West Virginia) </P>


3. Mario Fannin (Auburn) </P>


4. Damien Berry (Miami) </P>


5. Brandon Saine (Ohio State) </P>


Wide receivers </P>


1. Dane Sanzenbacher (Ohio State) </P>


2. Darvin Adams (Auburn) </P>


3. Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State) </P>


4. Jeff Maehl (Oregon) </P>


5. Armon Binns (Cincinnati) </P>


Tight ends </P>


1. Andre Smith (Virginia Tech) </P>


2. Schuylar Oordt (Northern Iowa) </P>


3. Collin Franklin (Iowa State) </P>


4. Weslye Saunders (South Carolina) </P>


5. Zack Pianalto (North Carolina) </P>


Offensive tackles </P>


1. Derek Hall (Stanford) </P>


2. Willie Smith (East Carolina) </P>


3. David Mims (Virginia Union) </P>


4. D.J. Young (Michigan State) </P>


5. Trevis Turner (Abilene Christian) </P>


Offensive guards </P>


1. Zach Hurd (Connecticut) </P>


2. Ray Dominguez (Arkansas) </P>


3. Carl Johnson (Florida) </P>


4. Justin Boren (Ohio State) </P>


5. Andrew Phillips (Stanford) </P>


Centers </P>


1. Kris O'Dowd (Southern Cal) </P>


2. Zane Taylor (Utah) </P>


3. Tim Barnes (Missouri) </P>


4. Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU) </P>


5. Alex Linnenkohl (Oregon State) </P>


Defensive ends </P>


1. Ugo Chinasa (Oklahoma State) </P>


2. Brandon Bair (Oregon) </P>


3. Pierre Allen (Nebraska) </P>


4. Eddie Jones (Texas) </P>


5. Marc Schiechl (Colorado School of Mines) </P>


Defensive tackles </P>


1. Cedric Thornton (Southern Arkansas) </P>


2. Ollie Ogbu (Penn State) </P>


3. Sealver Siliga (Utah) </P>


4. Anthony Gray (Southern Miss) </P>


5. Corbin Bryant (Northwestern) </P>


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2. Mario Harvey (Marshall) </P>


3. Josh Bynes (Auburn) </P>


4. Nick Bellore (Central Michigan) </P>


5. Orie Lemon (Oklahoma State) </P>


Outside linebackers </P>


1. Adrian Moten (Maryland) </P>


2. Mark Herzlich (Boston College) </P>


3. Jeremiha Hunter (Iowa) </P>


4. Scott Lutrus (Connecticut) </P>


5. Thomas Keiser (Stanford) </P>


Cornerbacks </P>


1. Kendric Burney (North Carolina) </P>


2. Loyce Means (Houston) </P>


3. Talmadge Jackson III (Oregon) </P>


4. Kevin Rutland (Missouri) </P>


5. Darrin Walls (Notre Dame) </P>


Free safeties </P>


1. Deunta Williams (North Carolina) </P>


2. Jerrard Tarrant (Georgia Tech) </P>


3. Anthony Walters (Delaware) </P>


4. Will Hill (Florida) </P>


5. Brian Lainhart (Kent State) </P>


Strong safeties </P>


1. DeAndre McDaniel (Clemson) </P>


2. Joe Lefeged (Rutgers) </P>


3. Jeron Johnson (Boise State) </P>


4. Mana Silva (Hawaii) </P>


5. David Sims (Iowa State) </P>


Specialists </P>


1. Kai Forbath (UCLA) </P>


2. Josh Jasper (LSU) </P>


3. Dan Bailey (Oklahoma State) </P>4. Chas Henry (Florida)
There are a few good safeties and Centers bothare a good idea to be brought in.Iwould like to see S Deunta Williams brought in. he would of been drafted if he didnt get hurt in the bowl game. He has man coverage skills and has a wider skill set then are 6th round safety Tyler Sash. Oordt has NFL measurables is worth a spot on the practice squad

lawl
07-24-2011, 03:12 PM
Miami 2011 Sophomore Storm Johnson "perfect name for the Hurricanes" is transferring to Central Florida amidst the regime change in Miami. Rumor is the Number 6 RB recruit in*2010**didnt want to compete for carries and wanted the job handed to him and Central Florida will have no problem doing that. He only had 9 carries as a freshman but I have to say certainly looked like a big time RB busting that 70 yard run against South Florida. Look for him to get major carries at Central Florida next year.</P>

How did i miss this? Ucf is on the rise.

Redeyejedi
07-24-2011, 11:02 PM
Miami 2011 Sophomore Storm Johnson "perfect name for the Hurricanes" is transferring to Central Florida amidst the regime change in Miami. Rumor is the Number 6 RB recruit in2010didnt want to compete for carries and wanted the job handed to him and Central Florida will have no problem doing that. He only had 9 carries as a freshman but I have to say certainly looked like a big time RB busting that 70 yard run against South Florida. Look for him to get major carries at Central Florida next year.</P> How did i miss this? Ucf is on the rise.Yeah im actually putting together sometape on some rush LB prospects they have

nycsportzfan
07-25-2011, 03:46 AM
Rob Rang biting my style.. I had chose IAN WILLIAMS as my top UDF out there, in what looks like one heck of a UDF class, and he just came out with a list and WILLIAMS lead the way, also Martin Parker is on it, another guy i put on the UDF threads that were up after the draft... When we lose Cofield, i would really like to somehow snag either Martin Parker or Ian Williams.. Parker for rushing the passer, and he has great strength, and Ian for his Run Stuffing abiltiy.. Also, we got to get one of those safties! I mean, Deunta, Lefeged, Silva, tarrant, there are some freaking good safties on those lists.. I really like Darrin Walls as a EXP'd CB out there with solid size and good run stopping ability... Woulden't mind seeing Redeyes guy Shuylar Oordt come in as a UDF for the TE positon... Pat Devlin is 100pct the QB i would crave for outta the UDF's with Josh Portis showing some legit upside, and yet another DT that excites me a bit is Ced Thornton.... Armon Binns, Maehl and Sazenbacher are all guys i spoke of as late rd picks or UDF's i think could make some noise as well..



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Hundreds of undrafted free agents whose phones didn't ring in the hours after the end of the seventh round of the 2011 NFL Draft was completed are about to become much more popular than they were during the four-month lockout. </p>


In a historic situation that prevented NFL contract-related business from being conducted, undrafted free agents can't be signed until the labor mess is sorted out and player transactions are cleared to be processed by the league office. </p>


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<td width="15"></td></tr></tbody></table>They'll be in queue with many others -- 254 total draft picks, hundreds of veteran unrestricted and restricted free agents -- fighting for attention from the 32 pro teams in this first-of-its-kind, two-week free agency window.


Typically, teams are on the phone with their top undrafted free-agent targets throughout the final day of the event, trying to convince them to sign on and many negotiate bigger signing bonuses than late-round draft picks as agents review each team's draft picks and seek the best fits for their clients. </p>


A fair number of talented players from the college ranks remained available after Mr. Irrelevant, Houston Texans linebacker Cheta Ozougwu (from Rice University), was selected with the 254th pick. </p>


Below is a refresher course on the top five players available overall, and the top five at each position when the curtain is finally raised on what is certain to be an entertaining 2011 free agency period. </p>


1. DT Ian Williams, Notre Dame Williams fought through a knee injury in 2010, but his toughness and hustle from the interior could allow him to contribute for a long time as a solid, if not overly flashy, 4-3 nose tackle/one-technique. </p>


2. WR Terrance Toliver, LSU Toliver's tape isn't superior, but his size/speed combination still typically earns an SEC receiver some sort of draft slot. He also looked good at the end of the season and at the East-West Shrine Game. He should latch on with a team interested in a vertical route-runner with enough size to create mismatches against smaller cornerbacks. </p>


3. QB Pat Devlin, Delaware The Penn State transfer did not impress scouts with his arm strength at the East-West Shrine Game or his pro day, but his performance was not so poor that most didn't expect him to be drafted late. Though he ran primarily out of shotgun for the Blue Hens, he came out from under center at Penn State and has the size, athleticism and intelligence to stick on a roster as a backup or potential spot starter. </p>


4. CB Ryan Jones, Northwest Missouri State It was surprising that a solid cornerback who produced for a powerhouse Division II program and who blew up his pro day (40-inch vertical, 4.46 40 at 5-11, 198 pounds, 19 reps of 225 pounds) went undrafted. He is raw in his coverage and tackling techniques to be sure, but it won't be surprising to see him stick as a nickel back with potential as a starter down the line. </p>


5. DT Martin Parker, Richmond Another small-school prospect, Parker showed up big-time at the East-West Shrine Game, but teams didn't appreciate his film enough to select him even late in the draft. Given time and coaching, Parker could be an interesting three-technique prospect who provides pass rush as a high-effort wave player. </p>


Top Undrafted Players by Position </p>


Quarterbacks </p>


1. Adam Froman (Louisville) </p>


2. Taylor Potts (Texas Tech) </p>


3. Adam Weber (Minnesota) </p>


4. Josh Portis (California (PA)) </p>


5. Scott Tolzien (Wisconsin) </p>


Running backs </p>


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2. Noel Devine (West Virginia) </p>


3. Mario Fannin (Auburn) </p>


4. Damien Berry (Miami) </p>


5. Brandon Saine (Ohio State) </p>


Wide receivers </p>


1. Dane Sanzenbacher (Ohio State) </p>


2. Darvin Adams (Auburn) </p>


3. Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State) </p>


4. Jeff Maehl (Oregon) </p>


5. Armon Binns (Cincinnati) </p>


Tight ends </p>


1. Andre Smith (Virginia Tech) </p>


2. Schuylar Oordt (Northern Iowa) </p>


3. Collin Franklin (Iowa State) </p>


4. Weslye Saunders (South Carolina) </p>


5. Zack Pianalto (North Carolina) </p>


Offensive tackles </p>


1. Derek Hall (Stanford) </p>


2. Willie Smith (East Carolina) </p>


3. David Mims (Virginia Union) </p>


4. D.J. Young (Michigan State) </p>


5. Trevis Turner (Abilene Christian) </p>


Offensive guards </p>


1. Zach Hurd (Connecticut) </p>


2. Ray Dominguez (Arkansas) </p>


3. Carl Johnson (Florida) </p>


4. Justin Boren (Ohio State) </p>


5. Andrew Phillips (Stanford) </p>


Centers </p>


1. Kris O'Dowd (Southern Cal) </p>


2. Zane Taylor (Utah) </p>


3. Tim Barnes (Missouri) </p>


4. Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU) </p>


5. Alex Linnenkohl (Oregon State) </p>


Defensive ends </p>


1. Ugo Chinasa (Oklahoma State) </p>


2. Brandon Bair (Oregon) </p>


3. Pierre Allen (Nebraska) </p>


4. Eddie Jones (Texas) </p>


5. Marc Schiechl (Colorado School of Mines) </p>


Defensive tackles </p>


1. Cedric Thornton (Southern Arkansas) </p>


2. Ollie Ogbu (Penn State) </p>


3. Sealver Siliga (Utah) </p>


4. Anthony Gray (Southern Miss) </p>


5. Corbin Bryant (Northwestern) </p>


Inside linebackers </p>


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2. Mario Harvey (Marshall) </p>


3. Josh Bynes (Auburn) </p>


4. Nick Bellore (Central Michigan) </p>


5. Orie Lemon (Oklahoma State) </p>


Outside linebackers </p>


1. Adrian Moten (Maryland) </p>


2. Mark Herzlich (Boston College) </p>


3. Jeremiha Hunter (Iowa) </p>


4. Scott Lutrus (Connecticut) </p>


5. Thomas Keiser (Stanford) </p>


Cornerbacks </p>


1. Kendric Burney (North Carolina) </p>


2. Loyce Means (Houston) </p>


3. Talmadge Jackson III (Oregon) </p>


4. Kevin Rutland (Missouri) </p>


5. Darrin Walls (Notre Dame) </p>


Free safeties </p>


1. Deunta Williams (North Carolina) </p>


2. Jerrard Tarrant (Georgia Tech) </p>


3. Anthony Walters (Delaware) </p>


4. Will Hill (Florida) </p>


5. Brian Lainhart (Kent State) </p>


Strong safeties </p>


1. DeAndre McDaniel (Clemson) </p>


2. Joe Lefeged (Rutgers) </p>


3. Jeron Johnson (Boise State) </p>


4. Mana Silva (Hawaii) </p>


5. David Sims (Iowa State) </p>


Specialists </p>


1. Kai Forbath (UCLA) </p>


2. Josh Jasper (LSU) </p>


3. Dan Bailey (Oklahoma State) </p>4. Chas Henry (Florida)
There are a few good safeties and Centers bothare a good idea to be brought in.Iwould like to see S Deunta Williams brought in. he would of been drafted if he didnt get hurt in the bowl game. He has man coverage skills and has a wider skill set then are 6th round safety Tyler Sash. Oordt has NFL measurables is worth a spot on the practice squad Yes, if we could come away with these 5guys, i'd be estatic..

1of O'dowd Kirkpatrick or Barnes HON MENTION= Zane Taylor

2. Ian Williams, Martin Parker HON MENTION-= Cedric Thorton

3. Lefeged, Silva, or Williams HON MENTION- Tarrant

4. Darrin Walls

5. Brandon Saine

1of Ian Williams or

Redeyejedi
07-25-2011, 09:19 AM
DraftCountdown did a write up of the 2011 draft for the Giants. I tried to copy and paste some pieces but it wouldnt let me</P>


http://draftcountdown.com/Reviews/teams/New-York-Giants.php</P>


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nycsportzfan
07-25-2011, 04:09 PM
DraftCountdown did a write up of the 2011 draft for the Giants. I tried to copy and paste some pieces but it wouldnt let me</p>


http://draftcountdown.com/Reviews/teams/New-York-Giants.php</p>


</p> Pretty much what we all ready knew.. The giants draft was fantastic, and they got players even in RD 6 and 7 that could very well be big contributors in the future...

lawl
07-25-2011, 05:08 PM
Miami 2011 Sophomore Storm Johnson "perfect name for the Hurricanes" is transferring to Central Florida amidst the regime change in Miami. Rumor is the Number 6 RB recruit in*2010**didnt want to compete for carries and wanted the job handed to him and Central Florida will have no problem doing that. He only had 9 carries as a freshman but I have to say certainly looked like a big time RB busting that 70 yard run against South Florida. Look for him to get major carries at Central Florida next year.</P> How did i miss this? Ucf is on the rise.Yeah im actually putting together some*tape on *some rush LB prospects they have

We usually always have good DBs, too.

We got a 4star QB this year when we already have Godfrey. Godfrey is short, but i believe has NFL speed, who knows how he'll fit into the NFL, though.

nycsportzfan
07-26-2011, 08:13 AM
According to Giants 101, were signing Hynoski and Jarriel King as UDF's.. Very good pickups, and believe it or not, both woulden't of suprised me if they were drafted in last yrs draft..

nycsportzfan
07-26-2011, 10:10 AM
Rob Rang biting my style.. I had chose IAN WILLIAMS as my top UDF out there, in what looks like one heck of a UDF class, and he just came out with a list and WILLIAMS lead the way, also Martin Parker is on it, another guy i put on the UDF threads that were up after the draft... When we lose Cofield, i would really like to somehow snag either Martin Parker or Ian Williams.. Parker for rushing the passer, and he has great strength, and Ian for his Run Stuffing abiltiy.. Also, we got to get one of those safties! I mean, Deunta, Lefeged, Silva, tarrant, there are some freaking good safties on those lists.. I really like Darrin Walls as a EXP'd CB out there with solid size and good run stopping ability... Woulden't mind seeing Redeyes guy Shuylar Oordt come in as a UDF for the TE positon... Pat Devlin is 100pct the QB i would crave for outta the UDF's with Josh Portis showing some legit upside, and yet another DT that excites me a bit is Ced Thornton.... Armon Binns, Maehl and Sazenbacher are all guys i spoke of as late rd picks or UDF's i think could make some noise as well..







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By Chad Reuter (http://www.cbssports.com/columns/writers/reuter)

The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com

July 20, 2011<span class="fright">Tell Chad your opinion! (http://www.cbssports.com/columns/writers/reuter)</span>
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Hundreds of undrafted free agents whose phones didn't ring in the
hours after the end of the seventh round of the 2011 NFL Draft was
completed are about to become much more popular than they were
during the four-month lockout. </p>

In a historic
situation that prevented NFL contract-related business from being
conducted, undrafted free agents can't be signed until the labor
mess is sorted out and player transactions are cleared to be
processed by the league office. </p>


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total draft picks, hundreds of veteran unrestricted and restricted
free agents -- fighting for attention from the 32 pro teams in
this first-of-its-kind, two-week free agency window.


Typically, teams are on the phone with their top undrafted free-agent
targets throughout the final day of the event, trying to convince
them to sign on and many negotiate bigger signing bonuses than
late-round draft picks as agents review each team's draft picks
and seek the best fits for their clients. </p>

A
fair number of talented players from the college ranks remained
available after Mr. Irrelevant, Houston Texans linebacker Cheta Ozougwu
(from Rice University), was selected with the 254th pick. </p>


Below is a refresher course on the top five players available
overall, and the top five at each position when the curtain is
finally raised on what is certain to be an entertaining 2011 free
agency period. </p>

1. DT Ian Williams, Notre Dame
Williams fought through a knee injury in 2010, but his toughness
and hustle from the interior could allow him to contribute for a
long time as a solid, if not overly flashy, 4-3 nose
tackle/one-technique. </p>

2. WR Terrance Toliver, LSU
Toliver's tape isn't superior, but his size/speed combination
still typically earns an SEC receiver some sort of draft slot. He
also looked good at the end of the season and at the East-West
Shrine Game. He should latch on with a team interested in a
vertical route-runner with enough size to create mismatches against
smaller cornerbacks. </p>

3. QB Pat Devlin, Delaware
The Penn State transfer did not impress scouts with his arm
strength at the East-West Shrine Game or his pro day, but his
performance was not so poor that most didn't expect him to be
drafted late. Though he ran primarily out of shotgun for the Blue
Hens, he came out from under center at Penn State and has the size,
athleticism and intelligence to stick on a roster as a backup or
potential spot starter. </p>

4. CB Ryan Jones, Northwest Missouri State
It was surprising that a solid cornerback who produced for a
powerhouse Division II program and who blew up his pro day
(40-inch vertical, 4.46 40 at 5-11, 198 pounds, 19 reps of 225
pounds) went undrafted. He is raw in his coverage and tackling
techniques to be sure, but it won't be surprising to see him stick
as a nickel back with potential as a starter down the line. </p>

5. DT Martin Parker, Richmond
Another small-school prospect, Parker showed up big-time at the
East-West Shrine Game, but teams didn't appreciate his film enough
to select him even late in the draft. Given time and coaching,
Parker could be an interesting three-technique prospect who
provides pass rush as a high-effort wave player. </p>

Top Undrafted Players by Position </p>

Quarterbacks </p>

1. Adam Froman (Louisville) </p>

2. Taylor Potts (Texas Tech) </p>

3. Adam Weber (Minnesota) </p>

4. Josh Portis (California (PA)) </p>

5. Scott Tolzien (Wisconsin) </p>

Running backs </p>


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2. Noel Devine (West Virginia) </p>

3. Mario Fannin (Auburn) </p>

4. Damien Berry (Miami) </p>

5. Brandon Saine (Ohio State) </p>

Wide receivers </p>

1. Dane Sanzenbacher (Ohio State) </p>

2. Darvin Adams (Auburn) </p>

3. Ricardo Lockette (Fort Valley State) </p>

4. Jeff Maehl (Oregon) </p>

5. Armon Binns (Cincinnati) </p>

Tight ends </p>

1. Andre Smith (Virginia Tech) </p>

2. Schuylar Oordt (Northern Iowa) </p>

3. Collin Franklin (Iowa State) </p>

4. Weslye Saunders (South Carolina) </p>

5. Zack Pianalto (North Carolina) </p>

Offensive tackles </p>

1. Derek Hall (Stanford) </p>

2. Willie Smith (East Carolina) </p>

3. David Mims (Virginia Union) </p>

4. D.J. Young (Michigan State) </p>

5. Trevis Turner (Abilene Christian) </p>

Offensive guards </p>

1. Zach Hurd (Connecticut) </p>

2. Ray Dominguez (Arkansas) </p>

3. Carl Johnson (Florida) </p>

4. Justin Boren (Ohio State) </p>

5. Andrew Phillips (Stanford) </p>

Centers </p>

1. Kris O'Dowd (Southern Cal) </p>

2. Zane Taylor (Utah) </p>

3. Tim Barnes (Missouri) </p>

4. Jake Kirkpatrick (TCU) </p>

5. Alex Linnenkohl (Oregon State) </p>

Defensive ends </p>

1. Ugo Chinasa (Oklahoma State) </p>

2. Brandon Bair (Oregon) </p>

3. Pierre Allen (Nebraska) </p>

4. Eddie Jones (Texas) </p>

5. Marc Schiechl (Colorado School of Mines) </p>

Defensive tackles </p>

1. Cedric Thornton (Southern Arkansas) </p>

2. Ollie Ogbu (Penn State) </p>

3. Sealver Siliga (Utah) </p>

4. Anthony Gray (Southern Miss) </p>

5. Corbin Bryant (Northwestern) </p>

Inside linebackers </p>


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2. Mario Harvey (Marshall) </p>

3. Josh Bynes (Auburn) </p>

4. Nick Bellore (Central Michigan) </p>

5. Orie Lemon (Oklahoma State) </p>

Outside linebackers </p>

1. Adrian Moten (Maryland) </p>

2. Mark Herzlich (Boston College) </p>

3. Jeremiha Hunter (Iowa) </p>

4. Scott Lutrus (Connecticut) </p>

5. Thomas Keiser (Stanford) </p>

Cornerbacks </p>

1. Kendric Burney (North Carolina) </p>

2. Loyce Means (Houston) </p>

3. Talmadge Jackson III (Oregon) </p>

4. Kevin Rutland (Missouri) </p>

5. Darrin Walls (Notre Dame) </p>

Free safeties </p>

1. Deunta Williams (North Carolina) </p>

2. Jerrard Tarrant (Georgia Tech) </p>

3. Anthony Walters (Delaware) </p>

4. Will Hill (Florida) </p>

5. Brian Lainhart (Kent State) </p>

Strong safeties </p>

1. DeAndre McDaniel (Clemson) </p>

2. Joe Lefeged (Rutgers) </p>

3. Jeron Johnson (Boise State) </p>

4. Mana Silva (Hawaii) </p>

5. David Sims (Iowa State) </p>

Specialists </p>

1. Kai Forbath (UCLA) </p>

2. Josh Jasper (LSU) </p>

3. Dan Bailey (Oklahoma State) </p> 4. Chas Henry (Florida)
We got Martin Parker! Yes!!!

Raptor22
08-01-2011, 06:39 PM
We got Martin Parker! Yes!!!


This UDFA class was better than some team's regular draft classes.

Parker's already making waves at camp... he could nail down the #4 spot with some technique work. King too.


I was also REALLY impressed with what tape of Marshall I was able to find. Great motor, good size, and more athleticism than you'd expect.

I wish we could get better camp reports :(

nycsportzfan
08-01-2011, 08:53 PM
We got Martin Parker! Yes!!!


This UDFA class was better than some team's regular draft classes.

Parker's already making waves at camp... he could nail down the #4 spot with some technique work. King too.


I was also REALLY impressed with what tape of Marshall I was able to find. Great motor, good size, and more athleticism than you'd expect.

I wish we could get better camp reports :(
Ya, parker was one of my fave UDF pickups, still can't beleve he wasen't drafted...

Redeyejedi
08-10-2011, 10:11 PM
Im doing a Mock Draft for aDraftbreakdown feature anybody got any opinions on who i should give the Giants

Redeyejedi
08-11-2011, 07:42 AM
Im doing a Mock Draft for aDraftbreakdown feature anybody got any opinions on who i should give the GiantsNo help where are the Draftniks

Redeyejedi
08-12-2011, 09:42 AM
Since none of U gave me a suggestion im going to give us Devin Taylor DE South Carolina. Just dont see glaring holes on the roster besides TE.

thegreatone
08-12-2011, 10:50 AM
Since none of U gave me a suggestion im going to give us Devin Taylor DE South Carolina. Just dont see glaring holes on the roster besides TE.who are our fa's for next year and players with 1 year left?

Redeyejedi
08-12-2011, 11:04 AM
Since none of U gave me a suggestion im going to give us Devin Taylor DE South Carolina. Just dont see glaring holes on the roster besides TE.who are our fa's for next year and players with 1 year left?
</P>


FA's</P>


Mario Manningham </P>


Terrel Thomas</P>


Kareem Mckenzie</P>


Jon Goff</P>


Aaron Ross</P>


</P>


1 year left</P>


Kiwi</P>


Osi </P>


Phillips</P>


Jacobs</P>


Barden</P>


Beckum </P>


Beatty</P>


Koets</P>


Sintim</P>


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I considered CB but I think Thomas will be retained, WR I dont know the Giants have become very passive with there negotiations and I think teams will be extremely interested in him. I think the Giants will lowball him and lose him in all honesty. OT, depends on how Beatty plays this year but it is possible. FS- IF Phillips knee acts up.LB Ive given up on a 1st round LB</P>


Id put it </P>


DE</P>


WR</P>


OT</P>


FS </P>


CB</P>


in likeliness of 1st round pick</P>

thegreatone
08-12-2011, 11:13 AM
Since none of U gave me a suggestion im going to give us Devin Taylor DE South Carolina. Just dont see glaring holes on the roster besides TE.who are our fa's for next year and players with 1 year left?
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FA's</p>


Mario Manningham </p>


Terrel Thomas</p>


Kareem Mckenzie</p>


Jon Goff</p>


Aaron Ross</p>


</p>


1 year left</p>


Kiwi</p>


Osi </p>


Phillips</p>


Jacobs</p>


Barden</p>


Beckum </p>


Beatty</p>


Koets</p>


Sintim</p>


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I considered CB but I think Thomas will be retained, WR I dont know the Giants have become very passive with there negotiations and I think teams will be extremely interested in him. I think the Giants will lowball him and lose him in all honesty. OT, depends on how Beatty plays this year but it is possible. FS- IF Phillips knee acts up.LB Ive given up on a 1st round LB</p>


Id put it </p>


DE</p>


WR</p>


OT</p>


FS </p>


CB</p>


in likeliness of 1st round pick</p>do you have us picking in the same spot or are you projecting a lower pick?

thegreatone
08-12-2011, 11:16 AM
if we are picking low id love to see sean spence lb'r the U but i know it'll never happen.

thegreatone
08-12-2011, 11:19 AM
if we are picking low id love to see sean spence lb'r the U but i know it'll never happen.
dream pick would be jayron hosely

Redeyejedi
08-12-2011, 11:25 AM
Since none of U gave me a suggestion im going to give us Devin Taylor DE South Carolina. Just dont see glaring holes on the roster besides TE.who are our fa's for next year and players with 1 year left?
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FA's</P>


Mario Manningham </P>


Terrel Thomas</P>


Kareem Mckenzie</P>


Jon Goff</P>


Aaron Ross</P>


</P>


1 year left</P>


Kiwi</P>


Osi </P>


Phillips</P>


Jacobs</P>


Barden</P>


Beckum </P>


Beatty</P>


Koets</P>


Sintim</P>


</P>


I considered CB but I think Thomas will be retained, WR I dont know the Giants have become very passive with there negotiations and I think teams will be extremely interested in him. I think the Giants will lowball him and lose him in all honesty. OT, depends on how Beatty plays this year but it is possible. FS- IF Phillips knee acts up.LB Ive given up on a 1st round LB</P>


Id put it </P>


DE</P>


WR</P>


OT</P>


FS </P>


CB</P>


in likeliness of 1st round pick</P>


do you have us picking in the same spot or are you projecting a lower pick?
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They told me to go by this</P>



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<TD>Andrew Luck – QB – Stanford</TD>
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<TD sizcache="3" sizset="12"><FONT color=#cc0000>Matt Barkley</FONT> (http://draftbreakdown.com/tag/matt-barkley) – QB – USC</TD>
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<TD>Alshon Jeffery – WR – South Carolina</TD>
<TD sizcache="3" sizset="13"><FONT color=#cc0000>Luke Kuechly</FONT> (http://draftbreakdown.com/tag/luke-kuechly) – LB – Boston College</TD></TR>
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<TD>Justin Blackmon – WR – Oklahoma State</TD></TR>
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<TD>Alfonzo Dennard – CB – Nebraska</TD>
<TD sizcache="3" sizset="14"><FONT color=#cc0000>Dre Kirkpatrick</FONT> (http://draftbreakdown.com/tag/dre-kirkpatrick) – CB – Alabama</TD></TR>
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<TD sizcache="3" sizset="15"><FONT color=#cc0000>Riley Reiff</FONT> (http://draftbreakdown.com/tag/riley-reiff) – OT – Iowa</TD>
<TD>Stephon Gilmore – CB – South Carolina</TD></TR>
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<TD sizcache="3" sizset="16"><FONT color=#cc0000>Brandon Jenkins</FONT> (http://draftbreakdown.com/tag/brandon-jenkins) – DE/OLB – Florida State</TD>
<TD>Matt Kalil – OT – USC</TD></TR>
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<TD>Landry Jones – QB – Oklahoma</TD>
<TD>Matt Barkley – QB – USC</TD></TR>
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<TD>Justin Blackmon – WR – Oklahoma State</TD>
<TD>Donte Paige-Moss – DE – North Carolina</TD></TR>
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<TD>Luke Kuechly – LB – Boston College</TD>
<TD>Quinton Coples – DE – North Carolina</TD></TR>
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<TD>Jonathan Martin – OT – Stanford</TD>
<TD>Vontaze Burfict – LB – Arizona State</TD></TR>
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<TD>Donte Paige-Moss – DE/OLB – North Carolina</TD>
<TD sizcache="3" sizset="17"><FONT color=#cc0000>Cliff Harris</FONT> (http://draftbreakdown.com/tag/cliff-harris) – CB – Oregon</TD></TR>
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<TD>Stephon Gilmore – CB – South Carolina</TD>
<TD>Brandon Jenkins – OLB – Florida State</TD></TR>
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<TD>Jonathan Martin – OT – Stanford</TD></TR>
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<TD>Jerel Worthy – DT – Michigan State</TD>
<TD>Michael Floyd – WR – Notre Dame</TD></TR>
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<TD>Zach Brown – LB – North Carolina</TD>
<TD>Riley Reiff – OT – Iowa</TD></TR>
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<TD sizcache="3" sizset="18"><FONT color=#cc0000>Knile Davis</FONT> (http://draftbreakdown.com/tag/knile-davis) – RB – Arkansas</TD>
<TD sizcache="3" sizset="19"><FONT color=#cc0000>Marcus Forston</FONT> (http://draftbreakdown.com/tag/marcus-forston) – DT – Miami</TD></TR>
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juice33s
08-12-2011, 01:38 PM
Patriots draft was strong out of the gate
3rd round RB Stevan Ridley - 64 yds rushing 2 TD's, 47 yds receiving 1 TD
3rd round QB Ryan Mallet- 12/19 164 yds TD

Redeyejedi
08-12-2011, 01:48 PM
Patriots draft was strong out of the gate
3rd round RB Stevan Ridley - 64 yds rushing 2 TD's, 47 yds receiving 1 TD
3rd round QB Ryan Mallet- 12/19 164 yds TD

I was watching tape on Ridley very underrated. If Mallet can improve his footork in the pocket he can be pretty damn good. When he got time he ripped teams to shreds. He did have probably the best WR corp in the Nation though

juice33s
08-12-2011, 01:53 PM
Patriots draft was strong out of the gate
3rd round RB Stevan Ridley - 64 yds rushing 2 TD's, 47 yds receiving 1 TD
3rd round QB Ryan Mallet- 12/19 164 yds TD

I was watching tape on Ridley very underrated. If Mallet can improve his footork in the pocket he can be pretty damn good. When he got time he ripped teams to shreds. He did have probably the best WR corp in the Nation though
When Mallet has a pocket to stand in the guy can flat out sling it. Kind of reminds me of a young Kerry Collins, but I think Mallets arm is even better then Kerry's was.

As for Ridley, he's the prototypical patriots back. Down hill runner with a nice low pad level that can contribute in the passing game. Reminds me of a young Sammy Morris

juice33s
08-13-2011, 09:56 AM
Happen to notice both Mason Foster (Bucs) and Casey Matthews (Eagles) are already starting for their respective teams. Thought I'd point that out since both got so much pub on the boards pre draft

Redeyejedi
08-17-2011, 11:07 AM
Im sure most of U guys have seen this but Knile Davis broke his ankle and is out for the season. Its his 3rd broken ankle in 3 years. His chances of being drafted high in 2013 are most likely gone. No way would I use a high pick on a RB with reoccurring ankle breaks.

BlueSanta
08-17-2011, 06:04 PM
Im sure most of U guys have seen this but Knile Davis broke his ankle and is out for the season. Its his 3rd broken ankle in 3 years. His chances of being drafted high in 2013 are most likely gone. No way would I use a high pick on a RB with reoccurring ankle breaks.

The rumor is he has the same affliction to his ankle that Yao Ming has.

nycsportzfan
08-18-2011, 01:50 PM
I've been outta commish for a bit while i was moving and switching internet service, was wondering if anyone knows anything about COMP PICKS for Boss/Smith/Cofield???

Raptor22
08-18-2011, 02:12 PM
I've been outta commish for a bit while i was moving and switching internet service, was wondering if anyone knows anything about COMP PICKS for Boss/Smith/Cofield???


from what I understand, based on contracts/playing time, we should get some for Cofield and Boss. Smith's injury, and signing Baas might limit it to two picks, but we could wind up with a 3rd and 4th.

Just imagine this past draft with two 3's and two 4's rather than three 6's.

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Redeyejedi
08-18-2011, 02:59 PM
I've been outta commish for a bit while i was moving and switching internet service, was wondering if anyone knows anything about COMP PICKS for Boss/Smith/Cofield???
</P>


Wondering where u have been. I was looking for advice on a 2012 Mock Draft for Draftcountdown .I was looking at Texas vs UCLA last night. I never saw the game. Ayers was fantastic, very impressive game tape. I can really appreciate how difficult it is to scout players. If U dont watch the right gametapes u dont get the complete picture</P>


Ive been trying to calculate that myself. The number 1 thing they use is contract but playing time and awards do factor in as well. The stick in the mud in this is Steve Smith. I just dont know what there going to value him as because of his injury. We may only get a 6th rounder for him because of the contract when in reality he was worth much more before he was hurt. Im guessing that Coefield would fetch a 3rd, Boss probably a 4th or 5th but Baas is a borderline 3 or 4. If i was to guess i think at the moment we will receive a 3rd and a 6th</P>

nycsportzfan
08-18-2011, 03:07 PM
I've been outta commish for a bit while i was moving and switching internet service, was wondering if anyone knows anything about COMP PICKS for Boss/Smith/Cofield???


from what I understand, based on contracts/playing time, we should get some for Cofield and Boss. Smith's injury, and signing Baas might limit it to two picks, but we could wind up with a 3rd and 4th.

Just imagine this past draft with two 3's and two 4's rather than three 6's.

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ya, it would be great.. Next yrs draft will be very exciting with a couple more mid picks..

nycsportzfan
08-18-2011, 03:09 PM
I've been outta commish for a bit while i was moving and switching internet service, was wondering if anyone knows anything about COMP PICKS for Boss/Smith/Cofield???
</p>


Wondering where u have been. I was looking for advice on a 2012 Mock Draft for Draftcountdown .I was looking at Texas vs UCLA last night. I never saw the game. Ayers was fantastic, very impressive game tape.</p>


Ive been trying to calculate that myself. The number 1 thing they use is contract but playing time and awards do factor in as well. The stick in the mud in this is Steve Smith. I just dont know what there going to value him as because of his injury. We may only get a 6th rounder for him because of the contract when in reality he was worth much more before he was hurt. Im guessing that Coefield would fetch a 3rd, Boss probably a 4th or 5th but Baas is a borderline 3 or 4. If i was to guess i think at the moment we will receive a 3rd and a 6th</p> Sounds solid.. Reese can kill it with a extra 3rd, and if he wants, gives him ammo to move up and grab another 2nd if he so feels...

By the way... Its good to be back!!!lol Missed my football buddies!

Raptor22
08-18-2011, 04:19 PM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.

Raptor22
08-18-2011, 04:32 PM
Also, how does everybody think the potential nuking of The Hurricanes (because I think the NCAA has painted themselves into a corner where they will feel they NEED to use the death penalty on The U), will affect the draft?

Redeyejedi
08-18-2011, 04:56 PM
Also, how does everybody think the potential nuking of The Hurricanes (because I think the NCAA has painted themselves into a corner where they will feel they NEED to use the death penalty on The U), will affect the draft?


</P>


These are some of the worst accusations Ive seen for NCAA football. Money, cars, jewelry, prostitutes, hotel rooms, televisions and trips on yachts. This will probably be worse then the last time they got in trouble. This suspension could push them back at least 5 years maybe 10. By the time they are allowed to recover schools like South Florida and UCF who are on the rise will have a very strong foothold in the talent rich Miami- West Palm Beacharea. Those 2 programs should get a huge influx of talent from this. Dont be surprised to see these schools be fixtures in the Top 20 from Now on.</P>

nycsportzfan
08-18-2011, 08:44 PM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...

Raptor22
08-18-2011, 09:39 PM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)

nycsportzfan
08-19-2011, 06:06 AM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)
Ya, his injury going into this yr might bite Travis Lewis in the rear, but i've watched that kid enough to realize hes the type of player i like! I actually wanted Travis Lewis this past yr in the first ROUND well before the draft appraoched obviously... The kid is a playmaker, that gets involved, and seems to always be around the ball.. I picture Travis Lewis and Fewell as a match made in heaven...

I think Trav Lewis would be the perfect replacement for Boley when the time comes, and i think Trav Lewis does the kinda things we envisioned Boley doing when we signed em... If we could steal Travis Lewis in the 2nd round, i'd be amped and surprised...

All this said, i've been saying all offseason that i really like what Reese has done with this LB unit, and how hes brought together what i feel is a strong unit, about to really explode onto the scene this season.. Getting guys like Tracy in RD 6 and Greg Jones in RD 6, and Goff in rd 5, and Dillard in 4...etc All these guys were bigtime players on there teams in college, and fell because of suspect reasons, and reese was there waiting... Trav would be the final piece to the puzzle...

Raptor22
08-19-2011, 08:21 AM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)
Ya, his injury going into this yr might bite Travis Lewis in the rear, but i've watched that kid enough to realize hes the type of player i like! I actually wanted Travis Lewis this past yr in the first ROUND well before the draft appraoched obviously... The kid is a playmaker, that gets involved, and seems to always be around the ball.. I picture Travis Lewis and Fewell as a match made in heaven...

I think Trav Lewis would be the perfect replacement for Boley when the time comes, and i think Trav Lewis does the kinda things we envisioned Boley doing when we signed em... If we could steal Travis Lewis in the 2nd round, i'd be amped and surprised...

All this said, i've been saying all offseason that i really like what Reese has done with this LB unit, and how hes brought together what i feel is a strong unit, about to really explode onto the scene this season.. Getting guys like Tracy in RD 6 and Greg Jones in RD 6, and Goff in rd 5, and Dillard in 4...etc All these guys were bigtime players on there teams in college, and fell because of suspect reasons, and reese was there waiting... Trav would be the final piece to the puzzle...


Those guys falling is another reason why they may not take a linebacker in the 1st... why take a guy in the 1st when he's going to fall to the 2nd or 3rd?

Linebackers are kinda turning into the TE's of the defense (certainly for 43 teams). Yeah a good/great one is important, but there are much more important positions... its a 2nd round position now. (yes, I realize Miller went 2nd overall this year, but that's because of his passrushing ability, not overall linebacking.)

From what I've seen, I kinda think Upshaw is the first LB off the board (I'm thinking San Fran or Buffalo), just because he can get to the passer.

nycsportzfan
08-20-2011, 08:13 AM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)
Ya, his injury going into this yr might bite Travis Lewis in the rear, but i've watched that kid enough to realize hes the type of player i like! I actually wanted Travis Lewis this past yr in the first ROUND well before the draft appraoched obviously... The kid is a playmaker, that gets involved, and seems to always be around the ball.. I picture Travis Lewis and Fewell as a match made in heaven...

I think Trav Lewis would be the perfect replacement for Boley when the time comes, and i think Trav Lewis does the kinda things we envisioned Boley doing when we signed em... If we could steal Travis Lewis in the 2nd round, i'd be amped and surprised...

All this said, i've been saying all offseason that i really like what Reese has done with this LB unit, and how hes brought together what i feel is a strong unit, about to really explode onto the scene this season.. Getting guys like Tracy in RD 6 and Greg Jones in RD 6, and Goff in rd 5, and Dillard in 4...etc All these guys were bigtime players on there teams in college, and fell because of suspect reasons, and reese was there waiting... Trav would be the final piece to the puzzle...


Those guys falling is another reason why they may not take a linebacker in the 1st... why take a guy in the 1st when he's going to fall to the 2nd or 3rd?

Linebackers are kinda turning into the TE's of the defense (certainly for 43 teams). Yeah a good/great one is important, but there are much more important positions... its a 2nd round position now. (yes, I realize Miller went 2nd overall this year, but that's because of his passrushing ability, not overall linebacking.)

From what I've seen, I kinda think Upshaw is the first LB off the board (I'm thinking San Fran or Buffalo), just because he can get to the passer.
well, it depends.. Greg JOnes kinda fell for things i never agree with, like size, overall speed and being thought of as more straight line downhill LB and not multi dimensional... I totally dissagred and think his heart and fire along with tenacity and instincts to play this game are what should be looked at.. The guy just knows what to do on a football field, and even though hes not known for playing the pass, i could see him make some plays on pure effort alone in that area... Goff was similar to Jones, and i remember seeing Goff predicited to go in RD 3 by some sites and he ended up in RD 5 because of being known as mostly a downhill thumper, but reese sees these guys as firey give all players that find the ball and go hard every play, and strive to make the plays..

Adrian Tracy is another guy who fell because he was a undersized DE that was gonna have to make the switch in the pros and also was at small school Will and Mary.. I loved tracy because of his "motor" and ability to make plays and smarts.. The guys like super smart, has a fantastic body on em, and nice length.. Reese ends up getting him in rd 6.. Reese is very smart at finding talent in the draft, and if i was ever a GM, i'd be very similar to Reese as far as drafting goes...

BlueSanta
08-20-2011, 09:14 AM
Also, how does everybody think the potential nuking of The Hurricanes (because I think the NCAA has painted themselves into a corner where they will feel they NEED to use the death penalty on The U), will affect the draft?


</p>


These are some of the worst accusations Ive seen for NCAA football. Money, cars, jewelry, prostitutes, hotel rooms, televisions and trips on yachts. This will probably be worse then the last time they got in trouble. This suspension could push them back at least 5 years maybe 10. By the time they are allowed to recover schools like South Florida and UCF who are on the rise will have a very strong foothold in the talent rich Miami- West Palm Beacharea. Those 2 programs should get a huge influx of talent from this. Dont be surprised to see these schools be fixtures in the Top 20 from Now on.</p>

I agree. I also think the biggest winners will be FSU and UofF, and possibly in more ways than 1 the SEC.The biggest losers will be the ACC.

I live in South FL and the UofM fanbase is very transient. Since the end of the orange bowl, they play their games in Joe Robbie stadium, which is very far from the campus. This move ment student attendence is WAY down. In fact, Miami footballs attendence has been miserable in recent years in general.Even if they dont get the death penalty, this could crush the program and, in the long run, it may also crush ACC football.

College football is about revenue while most College football programs in the ACC have good attendence these events at Miami will cause uncertainty. Every team that has Miami on its schedule now has to worry about the potential for a death penalty. The problem is BCS teams dont leave open holes in their schedules for events like these so schools like Bethum Cookman pick up Miamis oppenents lost scheduled games vs Miami. The problem is thbehtune Cookmans of the world dont count for strength of schedule in BCS calculations. So schools like FSU, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Kansas State Ohio state and more who are on Miami's schedule could get screwed in the next 2 years because they had Miami on their schedule.The strength of schedule may drop significantly elliminating them from BCS consideration for bids. Even if they think its unlikely UofM getst he death penalty, they still have to consider the possibility which means they have to dump Miami from the schedule and the ACC has to figure out how they can a) even out the conference because you cant have 5 in the coastal division and 6 in the Atlantic and b) make up the lost revenue of all these schools dumping Miami from their schedule as well as Miami vanishing.



I think that uncertainty will lead to the departure of more than a couple good ACC programs to the SEC over the next couple years.

The ACC is going to have serious problems. The mere possibility of the death penalty for Miami will cause an exodus from the ACC, in my opinion. Remember, in 1991 when the ACC emerged as a football conference due to the addition of FSU, they had incredible basketball revenue. Its still good bball revenue, but its not as dominant as it was through the 90's. The ACC is in trouble as much as Miami.

Redeyejedi
08-20-2011, 09:33 AM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)
Ya, his injury going into this yr might bite Travis Lewis in the rear, but i've watched that kid enough to realize hes the type of player i like! I actually wanted Travis Lewis this past yr in the first ROUND well before the draft appraoched obviously... The kid is a playmaker, that gets involved, and seems to always be around the ball.. I picture Travis Lewis and Fewell as a match made in heaven...

I think Trav Lewis would be the perfect replacement for Boley when the time comes, and i think Trav Lewis does the kinda things we envisioned Boley doing when we signed em... If we could steal Travis Lewis in the 2nd round, i'd be amped and surprised...

All this said, i've been saying all offseason that i really like what Reese has done with this LB unit, and how hes brought together what i feel is a strong unit, about to really explode onto the scene this season.. Getting guys like Tracy in RD 6 and Greg Jones in RD 6, and Goff in rd 5, and Dillard in 4...etc All these guys were bigtime players on there teams in college, and fell because of suspect reasons, and reese was there waiting... Trav would be the final piece to the puzzle...


Those guys falling is another reason why they may not take a linebacker in the 1st... why take a guy in the 1st when he's going to fall to the 2nd or 3rd?

Linebackers are kinda turning into the TE's of the defense (certainly for 43 teams). Yeah a good/great one is important, but there are much more important positions... its a 2nd round position now. (yes, I realize Miller went 2nd overall this year, but that's because of his passrushing ability, not overall linebacking.)

From what I've seen, I kinda think Upshaw is the first LB off the board (I'm thinking San Fran or Buffalo), just because he can get to the passer.
well, it depends.. Greg JOnes kinda fell for things i never agree with, like size, overall speed and being thought of as more straight line downhill LB and not multi dimensional... I totally dissagred and think his heart and fire along with tenacity and instincts to play this game are what should be looked at.. The guy just knows what to do on a football field, and even though hes not known for playing the pass, i could see him make some plays on pure effort alone in that area... Goff was similar to Jones, and i remember seeing Goff predicited to go in RD 3 by some sites and he ended up in RD 5 because of being known as mostly a downhill thumper, but reese sees these guys as firey give all players that find the ball and go hard every play, and strive to make the plays..

Adrian Tracy is another guy who fell because he was a undersized DE that was gonna have to make the switch in the pros and also was at small school Will and Mary.. I loved tracy because of his "motor" and ability to make plays and smarts.. The guys like super smart, has a fantastic body on em, and nice length.. Reese ends up getting him in rd 6.. Reese is very smart at finding talent in the draft, and if i was ever a GM, i'd be very similar to Reese as far as drafting goes...
Yeah overall Athleticism is the Number 1 thing defensive players are drafted on.This doesnt mean guys can not become good or even great players its just a way of determining value.Coaches and scouts are always going to take the best athletes first. </P>


There are way to many variables in College football to take guysonthere college production.Just look at Tyler Sash. Sash made a ton of plays in College but when u look at the context of how he made the plays u can see how Iowas defensehad a lot to do with his interceptions. Did Sash make plays when given the opportunity to make them? Absolutely and thats important as well but Iowas zone coveragesafforded Sash a lot of opportunities and masked some of his weaknesses.</P>


When U know what a guys physical limitations are u can assess value and figure out the best way to use there talents. The idea being the better the athlete the more u can do.Of course within each teams defense they look for certain things at certain spots and degree of athletic ability might not be as important for some positions. As much as Id like to a MLB thats athletic enough to get deep into the passing lanes it doesnt change the fact the Giants value stout run defending between the tackles first and foremost. The Giants simply dont have to use a high pick to get what they want out of the MLB position</P>

nycsportzfan
08-20-2011, 09:59 AM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)
Ya, his injury going into this yr might bite Travis Lewis in the rear, but i've watched that kid enough to realize hes the type of player i like! I actually wanted Travis Lewis this past yr in the first ROUND well before the draft appraoched obviously... The kid is a playmaker, that gets involved, and seems to always be around the ball.. I picture Travis Lewis and Fewell as a match made in heaven...

I think Trav Lewis would be the perfect replacement for Boley when the time comes, and i think Trav Lewis does the kinda things we envisioned Boley doing when we signed em... If we could steal Travis Lewis in the 2nd round, i'd be amped and surprised...

All this said, i've been saying all offseason that i really like what Reese has done with this LB unit, and how hes brought together what i feel is a strong unit, about to really explode onto the scene this season.. Getting guys like Tracy in RD 6 and Greg Jones in RD 6, and Goff in rd 5, and Dillard in 4...etc All these guys were bigtime players on there teams in college, and fell because of suspect reasons, and reese was there waiting... Trav would be the final piece to the puzzle...


Those guys falling is another reason why they may not take a linebacker in the 1st... why take a guy in the 1st when he's going to fall to the 2nd or 3rd?

Linebackers are kinda turning into the TE's of the defense (certainly for 43 teams). Yeah a good/great one is important, but there are much more important positions... its a 2nd round position now. (yes, I realize Miller went 2nd overall this year, but that's because of his passrushing ability, not overall linebacking.)

From what I've seen, I kinda think Upshaw is the first LB off the board (I'm thinking San Fran or Buffalo), just because he can get to the passer.
well, it depends.. Greg JOnes kinda fell for things i never agree with, like size, overall speed and being thought of as more straight line downhill LB and not multi dimensional... I totally dissagred and think his heart and fire along with tenacity and instincts to play this game are what should be looked at.. The guy just knows what to do on a football field, and even though hes not known for playing the pass, i could see him make some plays on pure effort alone in that area... Goff was similar to Jones, and i remember seeing Goff predicited to go in RD 3 by some sites and he ended up in RD 5 because of being known as mostly a downhill thumper, but reese sees these guys as firey give all players that find the ball and go hard every play, and strive to make the plays..

Adrian Tracy is another guy who fell because he was a undersized DE that was gonna have to make the switch in the pros and also was at small school Will and Mary.. I loved tracy because of his "motor" and ability to make plays and smarts.. The guys like super smart, has a fantastic body on em, and nice length.. Reese ends up getting him in rd 6.. Reese is very smart at finding talent in the draft, and if i was ever a GM, i'd be very similar to Reese as far as drafting goes...
Yeah overall Athleticism is the Number 1 thing defensive players are drafted on.This doesnt mean guys can not become good or even great players its just a way of determining value.Coaches and scouts are always going to take the best athletes first. </p>


There are way to many variables in College football to take guysonthere college production.Just look at Tyler Sash. Sash made a ton of plays in College but when u look at the context of how he made the plays u can see how Iowas defensehad a lot to do with his interceptions. Did Sash make plays when given the opportunity to make them? Absolutely and thats important as well but Iowas zone coveragesafforded Sash a lot of opportunities and masked some of his weaknesses.</p>


When U know what a guys physical limitations are u can assess value and figure out the best way to use there talents. The idea being the better the athlete the more u can do.Of course within each teams defense they look for certain things at certain spots and degree of athletic ability might not be as important for some positions. As much as Id like to a MLB thats athletic enough to get deep into the passing lanes it doesnt change the fact the Giants value stout run defending between the tackles first and foremost. The Giants simply dont have to use a high pick to get what they want out of the MLB position</p> THe thing is, these guys are so close physically, in my opinion, most of the times its the other stuff that seperates em, like quite frankly, knowing how to play the game...lol Guys like Sash just know how to play, they can kinda project and have a feel for whats gonna happen and can react quickly and diagnose, which makes up for the extremely little bit of speed there giving up or size..etc Does that mean, its gonna work like that every play? Of course not, but as a whole, thats what i personally think..

Take JPP for instance.. Sure, hes as athletic as it gets and has great size, but none of that matters if he dosen't have a great motor, and idea of how to make plays and feel for the game..

Hasen't sash been making Picks like left and right in training camp? I could of sworn i read where he made a pick yesterday and it was described as "yet another pick"...

Either way, i think your slowely seeing a trend toward taking the good football player as long as there not totally liabilities in a size or athletic standpoint earlier and earlier over the athlete who may or may not eventually utilitze that fully on the NFL level.. To be a Good GM, u have to be able to get players that have a bit of both, athletic ability and football know how....

Redeyejedi
08-20-2011, 11:16 AM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)
Ya, his injury going into this yr might bite Travis Lewis in the rear, but i've watched that kid enough to realize hes the type of player i like! I actually wanted Travis Lewis this past yr in the first ROUND well before the draft appraoched obviously... The kid is a playmaker, that gets involved, and seems to always be around the ball.. I picture Travis Lewis and Fewell as a match made in heaven...

I think Trav Lewis would be the perfect replacement for Boley when the time comes, and i think Trav Lewis does the kinda things we envisioned Boley doing when we signed em... If we could steal Travis Lewis in the 2nd round, i'd be amped and surprised...

All this said, i've been saying all offseason that i really like what Reese has done with this LB unit, and how hes brought together what i feel is a strong unit, about to really explode onto the scene this season.. Getting guys like Tracy in RD 6 and Greg Jones in RD 6, and Goff in rd 5, and Dillard in 4...etc All these guys were bigtime players on there teams in college, and fell because of suspect reasons, and reese was there waiting... Trav would be the final piece to the puzzle...


Those guys falling is another reason why they may not take a linebacker in the 1st... why take a guy in the 1st when he's going to fall to the 2nd or 3rd?

Linebackers are kinda turning into the TE's of the defense (certainly for 43 teams). Yeah a good/great one is important, but there are much more important positions... its a 2nd round position now. (yes, I realize Miller went 2nd overall this year, but that's because of his passrushing ability, not overall linebacking.)

From what I've seen, I kinda think Upshaw is the first LB off the board (I'm thinking San Fran or Buffalo), just because he can get to the passer.
well, it depends.. Greg JOnes kinda fell for things i never agree with, like size, overall speed and being thought of as more straight line downhill LB and not multi dimensional... I totally dissagred and think his heart and fire along with tenacity and instincts to play this game are what should be looked at.. The guy just knows what to do on a football field, and even though hes not known for playing the pass, i could see him make some plays on pure effort alone in that area... Goff was similar to Jones, and i remember seeing Goff predicited to go in RD 3 by some sites and he ended up in RD 5 because of being known as mostly a downhill thumper, but reese sees these guys as firey give all players that find the ball and go hard every play, and strive to make the plays..

Adrian Tracy is another guy who fell because he was a undersized DE that was gonna have to make the switch in the pros and also was at small school Will and Mary.. I loved tracy because of his "motor" and ability to make plays and smarts.. The guys like super smart, has a fantastic body on em, and nice length.. Reese ends up getting him in rd 6.. Reese is very smart at finding talent in the draft, and if i was ever a GM, i'd be very similar to Reese as far as drafting goes...
Yeah overall Athleticism is the Number 1 thing defensive players are drafted on.This doesnt mean guys can not become good or even great players its just a way of determining value.Coaches and scouts are always going to take the best athletes first. </P>


There are way to many variables in College football to take guysonthere college production.Just look at Tyler Sash. Sash made a ton of plays in College but when u look at the context of how he made the plays u can see how Iowas defensehad a lot to do with his interceptions. Did Sash make plays when given the opportunity to make them? Absolutely and thats important as well but Iowas zone coveragesafforded Sash a lot of opportunities and masked some of his weaknesses.</P>


When U know what a guys physical limitations are u can assess value and figure out the best way to use there talents. The idea being the better the athlete the more u can do.Of course within each teams defense they look for certain things at certain spots and degree of athletic ability might not be as important for some positions. As much as Id like to a MLB thats athletic enough to get deep into the passing lanes it doesnt change the fact the Giants value stout run defending between the tackles first and foremost. The Giants simply dont have to use a high pick to get what they want out of the MLB position</P>


THe thing is, these guys are so close physically, in my opinion, most of the times its the other stuff that seperates em, like quite frankly, knowing how to play the game...lol Guys like Sash just know how to play, they can kinda project and have a feel for whats gonna happen and can react quickly and diagnose, which makes up for the extremely little bit of speed there giving up or size..etc Does that mean, its gonna work like that every play? Of course not, but as a whole, thats what i personally think..

Take JPP for instance.. Sure, hes as athletic as it gets and has great size, but none of that matters if he dosen't have a great motor, and idea of how to make plays and feel for the game..

Hasen't sash been making Picks like left and right in training camp? I could of sworn i read where he made a pick yesterday and it was described as "yet another pick"...

Either way, i think your slowely seeing a trend toward taking the good football player as long as there not totally liabilities in a size or athletic standpoint earlier and earlier over the athlete who may or may not eventually utilitze that fully on the NFL level.. <FONT size=5>To be a Good GM, u have to be able to get players that have a bit of both, athletic ability and football know how....
</FONT></P>


Absolutely but it wont change the fact that the better athletes will be taken earlier. Doesnt mean a guy cant be succeesful Im just talking about draft value.</P>


</P>


Anyway U know how U and I were both terrified of drafting Ryan Williams because of injury history. Well he got hurt last night. They think Ruptured Patella Tendon done for the season</P>

nycsportzfan
08-20-2011, 11:24 AM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)
Ya, his injury going into this yr might bite Travis Lewis in the rear, but i've watched that kid enough to realize hes the type of player i like! I actually wanted Travis Lewis this past yr in the first ROUND well before the draft appraoched obviously... The kid is a playmaker, that gets involved, and seems to always be around the ball.. I picture Travis Lewis and Fewell as a match made in heaven...

I think Trav Lewis would be the perfect replacement for Boley when the time comes, and i think Trav Lewis does the kinda things we envisioned Boley doing when we signed em... If we could steal Travis Lewis in the 2nd round, i'd be amped and surprised...

All this said, i've been saying all offseason that i really like what Reese has done with this LB unit, and how hes brought together what i feel is a strong unit, about to really explode onto the scene this season.. Getting guys like Tracy in RD 6 and Greg Jones in RD 6, and Goff in rd 5, and Dillard in 4...etc All these guys were bigtime players on there teams in college, and fell because of suspect reasons, and reese was there waiting... Trav would be the final piece to the puzzle...


Those guys falling is another reason why they may not take a linebacker in the 1st... why take a guy in the 1st when he's going to fall to the 2nd or 3rd?

Linebackers are kinda turning into the TE's of the defense (certainly for 43 teams). Yeah a good/great one is important, but there are much more important positions... its a 2nd round position now. (yes, I realize Miller went 2nd overall this year, but that's because of his passrushing ability, not overall linebacking.)

From what I've seen, I kinda think Upshaw is the first LB off the board (I'm thinking San Fran or Buffalo), just because he can get to the passer.
well, it depends.. Greg JOnes kinda fell for things i never agree with, like size, overall speed and being thought of as more straight line downhill LB and not multi dimensional... I totally dissagred and think his heart and fire along with tenacity and instincts to play this game are what should be looked at.. The guy just knows what to do on a football field, and even though hes not known for playing the pass, i could see him make some plays on pure effort alone in that area... Goff was similar to Jones, and i remember seeing Goff predicited to go in RD 3 by some sites and he ended up in RD 5 because of being known as mostly a downhill thumper, but reese sees these guys as firey give all players that find the ball and go hard every play, and strive to make the plays..

Adrian Tracy is another guy who fell because he was a undersized DE that was gonna have to make the switch in the pros and also was at small school Will and Mary.. I loved tracy because of his "motor" and ability to make plays and smarts.. The guys like super smart, has a fantastic body on em, and nice length.. Reese ends up getting him in rd 6.. Reese is very smart at finding talent in the draft, and if i was ever a GM, i'd be very similar to Reese as far as drafting goes...
Yeah overall Athleticism is the Number 1 thing defensive players are drafted on.This doesnt mean guys can not become good or even great players its just a way of determining value.Coaches and scouts are always going to take the best athletes first. </p>


There are way to many variables in College football to take guysonthere college production.Just look at Tyler Sash. Sash made a ton of plays in College but when u look at the context of how he made the plays u can see how Iowas defensehad a lot to do with his interceptions. Did Sash make plays when given the opportunity to make them? Absolutely and thats important as well but Iowas zone coveragesafforded Sash a lot of opportunities and masked some of his weaknesses.</p>


When U know what a guys physical limitations are u can assess value and figure out the best way to use there talents. The idea being the better the athlete the more u can do.Of course within each teams defense they look for certain things at certain spots and degree of athletic ability might not be as important for some positions. As much as Id like to a MLB thats athletic enough to get deep into the passing lanes it doesnt change the fact the Giants value stout run defending between the tackles first and foremost. The Giants simply dont have to use a high pick to get what they want out of the MLB position</p>


THe thing is, these guys are so close physically, in my opinion, most of the times its the other stuff that seperates em, like quite frankly, knowing how to play the game...lol Guys like Sash just know how to play, they can kinda project and have a feel for whats gonna happen and can react quickly and diagnose, which makes up for the extremely little bit of speed there giving up or size..etc Does that mean, its gonna work like that every play? Of course not, but as a whole, thats what i personally think..

Take JPP for instance.. Sure, hes as athletic as it gets and has great size, but none of that matters if he dosen't have a great motor, and idea of how to make plays and feel for the game..

Hasen't sash been making Picks like left and right in training camp? I could of sworn i read where he made a pick yesterday and it was described as "yet another pick"...

Either way, i think your slowely seeing a trend toward taking the good football player as long as there not totally liabilities in a size or athletic standpoint earlier and earlier over the athlete who may or may not eventually utilitze that fully on the NFL level.. <font size="5">To be a Good GM, u have to be able to get players that have a bit of both, athletic ability and football know how....
</font></p>


Absolutely but it wont change the fact that the better athletes will be taken earlier. Doesnt mean a guy cant be succeesful Im just talking about draft value.</p>


</p>


Anyway U know how U and I were both terrified of drafting Ryan Williams because of injury history. Well he got hurt last night. They think Ruptured Patella Tendon done for the season</p> yup.. I saw that.. I was gonna mention it to u as well... Just didn't make sense jumping on Ryan Williams when Arizona did... As it turns out, Mikel Leshoure got injured as well, but they could of waited.. I mean, they did just draft Beanie in RD 1 the yr before last.. I'd of given beanie one more yr before i considered going that route so early, unless it was a guy less of a gamble..

Redeyejedi
08-20-2011, 11:51 AM
Just curious, does Courtny Upshaw ever drop into coverage?

I love his closing burst, his hustle, and special teams work. However, he's ALWAYS on the line... he's Kiwi 2.0

I'm kinda doubting that they take a LB unless he's a great value... I think the LB's are going to improve this year.

Maybe DL, (one of the North Carolina DE's would be amazing), WR (I'd still love to get Jeffery), RB if value presents... maybe a Safety if there are any good ones this year.
There is alot of value with LB though... I mean, Zach Brown/Kuelechy, Burfict/Te'o and Trav Lewis... I guess they could wait, but theres a nice crop right there... But, who knows...


Oh, I agree. if one of those guys falls to the Giants, I think they'll take one, but if it comes between Coples and one of them... (actually, with his injuries and lack of size, Lewis may be had in the 2nd... that would make for an AWESOME draft)
Ya, his injury going into this yr might bite Travis Lewis in the rear, but i've watched that kid enough to realize hes the type of player i like! I actually wanted Travis Lewis this past yr in the first ROUND well before the draft appraoched obviously... The kid is a playmaker, that gets involved, and seems to always be around the ball.. I picture Travis Lewis and Fewell as a match made in heaven...

I think Trav Lewis would be the perfect replacement for Boley when the time comes, and i think Trav Lewis does the kinda things we envisioned Boley doing when we signed em... If we could steal Travis Lewis in the 2nd round, i'd be amped and surprised...

All this said, i've been saying all offseason that i really like what Reese has done with this LB unit, and how hes brought together what i feel is a strong unit, about to really explode onto the scene this season.. Getting guys like Tracy in RD 6 and Greg Jones in RD 6, and Goff in rd 5, and Dillard in 4...etc All these guys were bigtime players on there teams in college, and fell because of suspect reasons, and reese was there waiting... Trav would be the final piece to the puzzle...


Those guys falling is another reason why they may not take a linebacker in the 1st... why take a guy in the 1st when he's going to fall to the 2nd or 3rd?

Linebackers are kinda turning into the TE's of the defense (certainly for 43 teams). Yeah a good/great one is important, but there are much more important positions... its a 2nd round position now. (yes, I realize Miller went 2nd overall this year, but that's because of his passrushing ability, not overall linebacking.)

From what I've seen, I kinda think Upshaw is the first LB off the board (I'm thinking San Fran or Buffalo), just because he can get to the passer.
well, it depends.. Greg JOnes kinda fell for things i never agree with, like size, overall speed and being thought of as more straight line downhill LB and not multi dimensional... I totally dissagred and think his heart and fire along with tenacity and instincts to play this game are what should be looked at.. The guy just knows what to do on a football field, and even though hes not known for playing the pass, i could see him make some plays on pure effort alone in that area... Goff was similar to Jones, and i remember seeing Goff predicited to go in RD 3 by some sites and he ended up in RD 5 because of being known as mostly a downhill thumper, but reese sees these guys as firey give all players that find the ball and go hard every play, and strive to make the plays..

Adrian Tracy is another guy who fell because he was a undersized DE that was gonna have to make the switch in the pros and also was at small school Will and Mary.. I loved tracy because of his "motor" and ability to make plays and smarts.. The guys like super smart, has a fantastic body on em, and nice length.. Reese ends up getting him in rd 6.. Reese is very smart at finding talent in the draft, and if i was ever a GM, i'd be very similar to Reese as far as drafting goes...
Yeah overall Athleticism is the Number 1 thing defensive players are drafted on.This doesnt mean guys can not become good or even great players its just a way of determining value.Coaches and scouts are always going to take the best athletes first. </P>


There are way to many variables in College football to take guysonthere college production.Just look at Tyler Sash. Sash made a ton of plays in College but when u look at the context of how he made the plays u can see how Iowas defensehad a lot to do with his interceptions. Did Sash make plays when given the opportunity to make them? Absolutely and thats important as well but Iowas zone coveragesafforded Sash a lot of opportunities and masked some of his weaknesses.</P>


When U know what a guys physical limitations are u can assess value and figure out the best way to use there talents. The idea being the better the athlete the more u can do.Of course within each teams defense they look for certain things at certain spots and degree of athletic ability might not be as important for some positions. As much as Id like to a MLB thats athletic enough to get deep into the passing lanes it doesnt change the fact the Giants value stout run defending between the tackles first and foremost. The Giants simply dont have to use a high pick to get what they want out of the MLB position</P>


THe thing is, these guys are so close physically, in my opinion, most of the times its the other stuff that seperates em, like quite frankly, knowing how to play the game...lol Guys like Sash just know how to play, they can kinda project and have a feel for whats gonna happen and can react quickly and diagnose, which makes up for the extremely little bit of speed there giving up or size..etc Does that mean, its gonna work like that every play? Of course not, but as a whole, thats what i personally think..

Take JPP for instance.. Sure, hes as athletic as it gets and has great size, but none of that matters if he dosen't have a great motor, and idea of how to make plays and feel for the game..

Hasen't sash been making Picks like left and right in training camp? I could of sworn i read where he made a pick yesterday and it was described as "yet another pick"...

Either way, i think your slowely seeing a trend toward taking the good football player as long as there not totally liabilities in a size or athletic standpoint earlier and earlier over the athlete who may or may not eventually utilitze that fully on the NFL level.. <FONT size=5>To be a Good GM, u have to be able to get players that have a bit of both, athletic ability and football know how....
</FONT></P>


Absolutely but it wont change the fact that the better athletes will be taken earlier. Doesnt mean a guy cant be succeesful Im just talking about draft value.</P>


</P>


Anyway U know how U and I were both terrified of drafting Ryan Williams because of injury history. Well he got hurt last night. They think Ruptured Patella Tendon done for the season</P> yup.. I saw that.. I was gonna mention it to u as well... Just didn't make sense jumping on Ryan Williams when Arizona did... As it turns out, Mikel Leshoure got injured as well, but they could of waited.. I mean, they did just draft Beanie in RD 1 the yr before last.. I'd of given beanie one more yr before i considered going that route so early, unless it was a guy less of a gamble..
Oh yeah forgot about Leshoure. His injury is real bad. Career is probably signifgantly altered

lawl
08-20-2011, 03:45 PM
It would be sweet if UM got the death penalty.

Ucf has been starting to get kids out of Miami area and we could very well take Miami's spot in the acc.

We just built a new stadium on campus, top 5 in student attendance, coming off a bowl win and we're pretty much the only team in orlando besides the magic.

thegreatone
08-21-2011, 09:39 AM
Also, how does everybody think the potential nuking of The Hurricanes (because I think the NCAA has painted themselves into a corner where they will feel they NEED to use the death penalty on The U), will affect the draft?


its sucks for sure but hopefully it wont be another UNC situation where players are sitting out all year becasue there are a few canes i like.

thegreatone
08-21-2011, 09:41 AM
Also, how does everybody think the potential nuking of The Hurricanes (because I think the NCAA has painted themselves into a corner where they will feel they NEED to use the death penalty on The U), will affect the draft?


</p>


These are some of the worst accusations Ive seen for NCAA football. Money, cars, jewelry, prostitutes, hotel rooms, televisions and trips on yachts. This will probably be worse then the last time they got in trouble. This suspension could push them back at least 5 years maybe 10. By the time they are allowed to recover schools like South Florida and UCF who are on the rise will have a very strong foothold in the talent rich Miami- West Palm Beacharea. Those 2 programs should get a huge influx of talent from this. Dont be surprised to see these schools be fixtures in the Top 20 from Now on.</p>eh idk about that. FSU and florida will definitely benefit more but your right there will be an influx of talent to those schools.

thegreatone
08-21-2011, 09:42 AM
did anybody see the move tyrod taylor put on justin houston the other night? really wish we would of got that kid.

Redeyejedi
09-02-2011, 08:46 AM
TCU Baylor tonight. Pretty good game before some big time match ups tommorow. I will be watching Tank Carder and Tanner Brock intently as well as Baylors QB Robert Griffin. Cant wait for Saturday.</P>


Notre Dame vs South Florida</P>


LSU-Oregon</P>


Boise State Georgia just to name a few</P>

britishblue2
09-03-2011, 06:16 AM
Im a massive Greg Reid fan. The kid is tiny, probs too small to make it as an NFL DB, but he just flies around the field and is everywhere the ball is. He's like an exorcet missile homing in on the ball.

Chances are he's doesnt come outta college until the 2013 Draft anyways.

Great college football player

Redeyejedi
09-03-2011, 10:42 AM
Anyone see the ASU vs UC Davis game. I hope someone puts it up. Vontaze Burfict had 3 sacks

thegreatone
09-03-2011, 01:21 PM
anybody see the throw the VT QB made running to his left? kids got an arm

nycsportzfan
09-03-2011, 04:26 PM
Anyone see the ASU vs UC Davis game. I hope someone puts it up. Vontaze Burfict had 3 sacks Ya, luke Kuelechy( hate his name!!lol) had a monster game in a loss to NW as well..

Redeyejedi
09-03-2011, 04:44 PM
Anyone see the ASU vs UC Davis game. I hope someone puts it up. Vontaze Burfict had 3 sacks Ya, luke Kuelechy( hate his name!!lol) had a monster game in a loss to NW as well..
Yeah watched the first half he had 10 Tackles and a pick.1 real bad MT though guy scored a TD on

nycsportzfan
09-03-2011, 05:20 PM
Anyone see the ASU vs UC Davis game. I hope someone puts it up. Vontaze Burfict had 3 sacks Ya, luke Kuelechy( hate his name!!lol) had a monster game in a loss to NW as well..
Yeah watched the first half he had 10 Tackles and a pick.1 real bad MT though guy scored a TD on Ya, he overpursued on a TD run by NW, but whatever.. Dude, was litteraly everywhere for BC.. I know its only 1game, and i was pretty much sold on him all ready, but i'm even more sold now.. hes really something...


Case Keenum is a QB whos really impressing me.. Sure, its a wideopen offense, but the guys balls are really tight spirals, and hes very accurate, and has adequte size.. I think Keenum would be a solid guy for a West Coast team, and possibly any offense.. I'm gonna continue to monitor him all yr.. Very accurate and decisive in his decison making, and seems to have more then enough zip on short to intermediete throws...

Redeyejedi
09-09-2011, 08:50 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</P>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</P>


2. Matt Barkley USC</P>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</P>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</P>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</P>

Redeyejedi
09-10-2011, 10:37 AM
2013 kid I will break down eventually QB Brock Osweiller of ASU. Very impressed with him. Seen all 4 of his starts and ASU is a much better football team with him at QB. Didnt watch to much QB film last year but I think theres an outside shot we can see a QB taken by the NY GIants. If things get bad enough, Coughlinwill be fired a new coach will be here. A new coach who might not be as forgiving to Elis poor play. He may want his own guy in here and Eli would only be an 8 million dollar cap hit if he was cut

Raptor22
09-10-2011, 12:22 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</p>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</p>


2. Matt Barkley USC</p>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</p>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</p>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</p>

What do you think of Griff the 3rd?

He definitely looked good against TCU... nice long ball [;)]

nycsportzfan
09-11-2011, 11:13 AM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</p>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</p>


2. Matt Barkley USC</p>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</p>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</p>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</p> I'm glad Aaron Murray gets some love, because the kid is good.. Hes the reason i really believed in GA this yr, but it looks as if its not enough to put them over the top..
The Question i want to ask u is what is your top 5 RB's and WR's..

Heres mine..

QB's
1. Andrew Luck Stanford(dude is incredible)
2. Matt Barkley USC
3. Ryan Tannehill A&amp;M
4. Landry Jones OU
5. Brandon Weeden Ok St.
Hon Men- Aaron Murray GA

RB's
1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple(this dude is so freaking good, it hurts!)
2. Trent Richardson RB Bama
3. Isaiah Pead RB Cincy(i talked about him in offseason, and hes been pretty beastly since)
4. Cyrus Gray RB A&amp;M
5. Lamichael James Oregon
Hon Men- Chris Polk RB Wash

Wr's
1. Mike Floyd ND(i had him here last yr, and i'm keeping him here, hes awesome!)
2. Alshon Jeffery SC
3. Justin Blackmon Ok St.
4. Jeff Fuller WR A&amp;M
5. Ryan Broyles WR OU
Hon Men- Juron Criner ARZ, Greg Childs ARK, Dwight Jones UNC

thegreatone
09-11-2011, 12:18 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</p>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</p>


2. Matt Barkley USC</p>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</p>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</p>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</p> I'm glad Aaron Murray gets some love, because the kid is good.. Hes the reason i really believed in GA this yr, but it looks as if its not enough to put them over the top..
The Question i want to ask u is what is your top 5 RB's and WR's..

Heres mine..

QB's
1. Andrew Luck Stanford(dude is incredible)
2. Matt Barkley USC
3. Ryan Tannehill A&amp;M
4. Landry Jones OU
5. Brandon Weeden Ok St.
Hon Men- Aaron Murray GA

RB's
1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple(this dude is so freaking good, it hurts!)
2. Trent Richardson RB Bama
3. Isaiah Pead RB Cincy(i talked about him in offseason, and hes been pretty beastly since)
4. Cyrus Gray RB A&amp;M
5. Lamichael James Oregon
Hon Men- Chris Polk RB Wash

Wr's
1. Mike Floyd ND(i had him here last yr, and i'm keeping him here, hes awesome!)
2. Alshon Jeffery SC
3. Justin Blackmon Ok St.
4. Jeff Fuller WR A&amp;M
5. Ryan Broyles WR OU
Hon Men- Juron Criner ARZ, Greg Childs ARK, Dwight Jones UNC

is tyler bray eligible next year for draft? it says sophomore but if he was redshirted he's eligible right?

thegreatone
09-11-2011, 12:27 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</p>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</p>


2. Matt Barkley USC</p>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</p>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</p>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</p>

What do you think of Griff the 3rd?

He definitely looked good against TCU... nice long ball [;)]
i like him. kid has a cannon and was making some very nice throws.

Redeyejedi
09-11-2011, 01:02 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</P>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</P>


2. Matt Barkley USC</P>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</P>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</P>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</P>

What do you think of Griff the 3rd?

He definitely looked good against TCU... nice long ball [;)]
Yeah he has really bad technique. He is nowhere near as refined as the other guys that I listed here. There is physical talent but his mechanics are a train wreck. He has awful awful footwork. He is also another 1 read QB which makes it very difficult to know how he will handle a more complex NFL system. On the flip side everything Ive read about the guy is positive . Teammates love him and he isnt fake like how Cam Newton comes off. I think he should hang around another year at Baylor. Id like to see some more tape of him before I try to assign round value

thegreatone
09-11-2011, 01:12 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</p>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</p>


2. Matt Barkley USC</p>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</p>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</p>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</p>

What do you think of Griff the 3rd?

He definitely looked good against TCU... nice long ball [;)]
Yeah he has really bad technique. He is nowhere near as refined as the other guys that I listed here. There is physical talent but his mechanics are a train wreck. He has awful awful footwork. He is also another 1 read QB which makes it very difficult to know how he will handle a more complex NFL system. On the flip side everything Ive read about the guy is positive . Teammates love him and he isnt fake like how Cam Newton comes off. I think he should hang around another year at Baylor. Id like to see some more tape of him before I try to assign round valuethen he is on par with manning :P i like him but as a 5th or lower project cause you are right but the kids arm strength and touch i have seen so far are pretty impressive

Raptor22
09-11-2011, 03:48 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</p>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</p>


2. Matt Barkley USC</p>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</p>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</p>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</p>

What do you think of Griff the 3rd?

He definitely looked good against TCU... nice long ball [;)]
Yeah he has really bad technique. He is nowhere near as refined as the other guys that I listed here. There is physical talent but his mechanics are a train wreck. He has awful awful footwork. He is also another 1 read QB which makes it very difficult to know how he will handle a more complex NFL system. On the flip side everything Ive read about the guy is positive . Teammates love him and he isnt fake like how Cam Newton comes off. I think he should hang around another year at Baylor. Id like to see some more tape of him before I try to assign round value

Sounds about right. I definitely agree that he should stay in school.

I'm never sure how much to be worried about QB's "mechanical" issues. I think I tend to agree with Joe Montana that if it works for the kid, you may be doing more harm than good by trying to change it (refine maybe, make some things more efficient, that sort of thing).

Look at Rivers... I've seen 14 year old girls with more NFL ready throwing motions.

nycsportzfan
09-11-2011, 08:16 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</p>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</p>


2. Matt Barkley USC</p>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</p>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</p>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</p> I'm glad Aaron Murray gets some love, because the kid is good.. Hes the reason i really believed in GA this yr, but it looks as if its not enough to put them over the top..
The Question i want to ask u is what is your top 5 RB's and WR's..

Heres mine..

QB's
1. Andrew Luck Stanford(dude is incredible)
2. Matt Barkley USC
3. Ryan Tannehill A&amp;M
4. Landry Jones OU
5. Brandon Weeden Ok St.
Hon Men- Aaron Murray GA

RB's
1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple(this dude is so freaking good, it hurts!)
2. Trent Richardson RB Bama
3. Isaiah Pead RB Cincy(i talked about him in offseason, and hes been pretty beastly since)
4. Cyrus Gray RB A&amp;M
5. Lamichael James Oregon
Hon Men- Chris Polk RB Wash

Wr's
1. Mike Floyd ND(i had him here last yr, and i'm keeping him here, hes awesome!)
2. Alshon Jeffery SC
3. Justin Blackmon Ok St.
4. Jeff Fuller WR A&amp;M
5. Ryan Broyles WR OU
Hon Men- Juron Criner ARZ, Greg Childs ARK, Dwight Jones UNC

is tyler bray eligible next year for draft? it says sophomore but if he was redshirted he's eligible right?
I think that is right...

thegreatone
09-11-2011, 09:35 PM
The more I watch of QB *Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&M.* I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</p>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</p>


2. Matt Barkley USC</p>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&M</p>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</p>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</p> I'm glad Aaron Murray gets some love, because the kid is good.. Hes the reason i really believed in GA this yr, but it looks as if its not enough to put them over the top..*
The Question i want to ask u is what is your top 5 RB's and WR's..

Heres mine..

QB's
1. Andrew Luck Stanford(dude is incredible)
2. Matt Barkley USC
3. Ryan Tannehill A&M
4. Landry Jones OU
5. Brandon Weeden Ok St.
Hon Men- Aaron Murray GA

RB's
1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple(this dude is so freaking good, it hurts!)
2. Trent Richardson RB Bama
3. Isaiah Pead RB Cincy(i talked about him in offseason, and hes been pretty beastly since)
4. Cyrus Gray RB A&M
5. Lamichael James Oregon
Hon Men- Chris Polk RB Wash

Wr's
1. Mike Floyd ND(i had him here last yr, and i'm keeping him here, hes awesome!)
2. Alshon Jeffery SC
3. Justin Blackmon Ok St.
4. Jeff Fuller WR A&M
5. Ryan Broyles WR OU
Hon Men- Juron Criner* ARZ, Greg Childs ARK, Dwight Jones UNC

is tyler bray eligible next year for draft? it says sophomore but if he was redshirted he's eligible right?
* I think that is right...
good to know. i liked hime before today but love him after. we need a new start

Redeyejedi
09-11-2011, 10:20 PM
The more I watch of QB Ryan Tannehill the more I like him. He is still fairly new to the QB position in college having played WR at Texas A&amp;M. I see NFL accuracy all over his tape. He is able to thread a needle. Why some College QB's Im left wondering if they can hit small windows I dont worry about that with Tannehill because I can see it. He has the NFL body standing 6'5", very athletic and Mobile with his backround at WR. He is becoming a must Tape breakdown for me at QB. Right now Id put him 3rd right behind Luck and Barkley and I could see him moving up. My early Top 5 of draft eligible QB's</P>


1. Andrew Luck Stanford</P>


2. Matt Barkley USC</P>


3. Ryan Tannehill Texas A&amp;M</P>


4. Aaron Murray Georgia</P>


5. Landry Jones Oklahoma</P> I'm glad Aaron Murray gets some love, because the kid is good.. Hes the reason i really believed in GA this yr, but it looks as if its not enough to put them over the top..
The Question i want to ask u is what is your top 5 RB's and WR's..

Heres mine..

QB's
1. Andrew Luck Stanford(dude is incredible)
2. Matt Barkley USC
3. Ryan Tannehill A&amp;M
4. Landry Jones OU
5. Brandon Weeden Ok St.
Hon Men- Aaron Murray GA

RB's
1. Bernard Pierce RB Temple(this dude is so freaking good, it hurts!)
2. Trent Richardson RB Bama
3. Isaiah Pead RB Cincy(i talked about him in offseason, and hes been pretty beastly since)
4. Cyrus Gray RB A&amp;M
5. Lamichael James Oregon
Hon Men- Chris Polk RB Wash

Wr's
1. Mike Floyd ND(i had him here last yr, and i'm keeping him here, hes awesome!)
2. Alshon Jeffery SC
3. Justin Blackmon Ok St.
4. Jeff Fuller WR A&amp;M
5. Ryan Broyles WR OU
Hon Men- Juron Criner ARZ, Greg Childs ARK, Dwight Jones UNC

is tyler bray eligible next year for draft? it says sophomore but if he was redshirted he's eligible right?
I think that is right...
good to know. i liked hime before today but love him after. we need a new startBray is not draft eligible. Murray is, he red shirted a year