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paul anthony
01-11-2012, 02:46 PM
Everyone remembers Jake ballard getting robbed of that TD but no one seems to mention the play were prince smacked the ball out of Greg jennings hands in the endzone witch looked like an incomplete pass but he was still rewarded with the TD. I cant take anymore bad officiating, If they ruin the game for us this weekend I'm gonna go crazy.

Challenger
01-11-2012, 02:48 PM
Greg Jennings had already clearly established possession on the football in the end zone.

Touchdown.

AJKilo
01-11-2012, 02:50 PM
lol yeah Right

Ruttiger711
01-11-2012, 02:52 PM
Everyone remembers Jake ballard getting robbed of that TD but no one seems to mention the play were prince smacked the ball out of Greg jennings hands in the endzone witch looked like an incomplete pass but he was still rewarded with the TD. I cant take anymore bad officiating, If they ruin the game for us this weekend I'm gonna go crazy.</P>


I for one havent forgotten at all. </P>


The way the refs saw it is that he had possesion in his left hand... (for what must have been 1/10th of a second) ... and possesion in the endzone even just for an instant... is a td... </P>


now had he gone to the ground, he would have had to hold on to the ball all the way through. </P>


Whats baffling though is how that was ruled a td on the field with that ball flopping around on the ground after.... the refs looked at the replay and found what they needed to prove themselves right.... it should have been ruled incomplete and Green Bay could have challenged... maybe they get it maybe they dont at that point. </P>


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SIMMS5611
01-11-2012, 02:53 PM
Greg Jennings had already clearly established possession on the football in the end zone.

Touchdown.
</P>


</P>


Nice Homer-vision. The Packers first lost of the season came at the hands of the Giants, not the Chiefs. The Packers were just fortunate enough to have a very incompetent crew referreeing the game. Kudos to you, be able to celebrate that false victory, you ignorant clown.</P>

fansince69
01-11-2012, 02:58 PM
Greg Jennings had already clearly established possession on the football in the end zone.

Touchdown.



You have no idea what possession is if you think that was ....Please don't spread that crap here.....That could be one of the worst calls i have seen in 40 years watching this game.

Challenger
01-11-2012, 03:04 PM
Perhaps you ought to familiarize yourselves with the NFL Rule Book.

PLAYER POSSESSION
Article 7????A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3).
To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have
complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands,
completely on the ground inbounds, and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act
common to the game. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part
of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession.
This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.
The terms catch, intercept, recover, advance, and fumble denote player possession (as distinguished from
touching or muffing).
Note 1: A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with
or without contact by an opponent) must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting
the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches
the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching
the ground, it is a catch, interception, or recovery.
Note 2: If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of
attempting to secure possession of a loose ball at the sideline, he must maintain complete and continuous
control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, or there is no possession.
Note 3: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered loss of
possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.

fansince69
01-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Perhaps you ought to familiarize yourselves with the NFL Rule Book.

PLAYER POSSESSION
Article 7????A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3).
To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have
complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands,
completely on the ground inbounds, and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act
common to the game. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part
of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession.
This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.
The terms catch, intercept, recover, advance, and fumble denote player possession (as distinguished from
touching or muffing).
Note 1: A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with
or without contact by an opponent) must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting
the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches
the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching
the ground, it is a catch, interception, or recovery.
Note 2: If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of
attempting to secure possession of a loose ball at the sideline, he must maintain complete and continuous
control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, or there is no possession.
Note 3: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered loss of
possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.


Im glad you can spout the rules...now go look at the play ....He NEVER had any control of that ball....he was bobbling and then had it swatted away.........There were several questionable calls in that game....If you can not admit that you really are drinking the kool aid.....If any one of them had gone the other way that game is very different..

Why don we see what happens this time around....I hope you are at least bright enough to realize this will not be an easy game for you win or lose....provided the refs call it both ways....which has NOT BEEN A GIVEN THIS YEAR IN ANY GAMES.

SIMMS5611
01-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Rules schmooles...rules also say that a tomato, ALWAYS found in the vegetable section, is a fruit.</P>


Anyone with half a brain knows that wasn't a TD.</P>


</P>


Oh, and by the way, you Sir, are a tomato, no doubt.</P>

Ruttiger711
01-11-2012, 03:15 PM
Perhaps you ought to familiarize yourselves with the NFL Rule Book.

PLAYER POSSESSION
Article 7????A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3).
To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have
complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands,
completely on the ground inbounds, <FONT size=5><FONT color=#0000ff>and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act
common to the game</FONT>.</FONT> If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part
of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession.
This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.
The terms catch, intercept, recover, advance, and fumble denote player possession (as distinguished from
touching or muffing).
Note 1: A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with
or without contact by an opponent) must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting
the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches
the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching
the ground, it is a catch, interception, or recovery.
Note 2: If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of
attempting to secure possession of a loose ball at the sideline, he must maintain complete and continuous
control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, or there is no possession.
Note 3: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered loss of
possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.
</P>


The ball was hardly secure... maybe MAYBE one could argue that he secured it at the very end with his left hand only... but he was out of bounds already before he could "perform an act common to the game".</P>


Like i said.. there's nothing there in real time for this to have been rulled TD on the field... it should have been ruled incomplete on the field... GB should have had to challenge.... and since the refs arent fans of proving themselves wrong, it probably stays an incompletion. </P>


http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d824bc335/Jennings-20-yard-TD-catch</P>

Ntegrase96
01-11-2012, 03:16 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.

burier
01-11-2012, 03:19 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.


not that it matters but

A freeze phrame shows that Ballard was in.

The other play could go either way so I won't complain, plus the game was like a million years ago and nothing can be done about it so...page turned

fansince69
01-11-2012, 03:19 PM
Rules schmooles...rules also say that a tomato, ALWAYS found in the vegetable section, is a fruit.</p>


Anyone with half a brain knows that wasn't a TD.</p>


</p>


Oh, and by the way, you Sir, are a tomato, no doubt.</p>
from a strictly biological standpoint it is a fruit legally it is a vegetable...technically it is a fruit...period

SIMMS5611
01-11-2012, 03:19 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</P>


FAIL</P>

repeatchamps
01-11-2012, 03:24 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</P>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</P>


So like <FONT color=#980001>SIMMS5611</FONT> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</P>


FAIL!</P>

RagTime Blue
01-11-2012, 03:25 PM
We shouldn't blame the officiating for our loss to GB. Packers certainly played well enough to win.

As Dana White says in MMA, "Never leave it in the hands of the Judges (officials)."

Hopefully this week, we blow them away on the scoreboard, and the "W" or "L" isn't decided by questionable calls by the officials.

Ruttiger711
01-11-2012, 03:28 PM
We shouldn't blame the officiating for our loss to GB. Packers certainly played well enough to win.

As Dana White says in MMA, "Never leave it in the hands of the Judges (officials)."

Hopefully this week, we blow them away on the scoreboard, and the "W" or "L" isn't decided by questionable calls by the officials.
</P>


meh - thats why they're called judges...because its their <U>subjective</U> view based on rules.... not supposed to be the case in the NFL</P>

fansince69
01-11-2012, 03:30 PM
We shouldn't blame the officiating for our loss to GB. Packers certainly played well enough to win.

As Dana White says in MMA, "Never leave it in the hands of the Judges (officials)."

Hopefully this week, we blow them away on the scoreboard, and the "W" or "L" isn't decided by questionable calls by the officials.
</p>


meh - thats why they're called judges...because its their subjective view based on rules.... not supposed to be the case in the NFL</p>

Unfortunately in today's NFL there are many many rules that are based on subjection and judgement....it is NOT black and white....this is where the inconsistency comes from....one guy sees it one way and others see it differently

Challenger
01-11-2012, 03:30 PM
Whining about the refs.

I thought you guys were better than that.

When you outscore your opponents by over 200 points (like the Packers did in 2011) a bad call here or there will not significantly affect your season.

Speaking of "drinking the Kool-Aid", the Kool-Aid must be flowing pretty heavy out there in NY if you seriously believe the Giants are going to simply roll into Green Bay and defeat the Packers. Your team already has seven losses, many to weak teams (like Washington). No reason to think they won't have another.

OK, it's too close to game day to participate here any more.

Challenger out.

rainierjef
01-11-2012, 03:42 PM
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><FONT face=Calibri>Whatís funny about fans in general, itís always good until it happens to them. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN>Green bay fans complained about their injuries all year last year then they won it and was like ehhÖ injuries whatever. I canít wait too see a game where the refs donít favor you guys I hope itís on Sunday. and watch the tune change <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></FONT></P>

adversus
01-11-2012, 03:44 PM
the refs were messing up for both sides that day. The giants got away with some pass interference calls as did the packers.

different refs this time so don't worry about it.

besides, give the giants the week 13 win they're still playing the same team right now.

Ntegrase96
01-11-2012, 03:46 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</p>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</p>


So like <font color="#980001">SIMMS5611</font> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</p>


FAIL!</p>

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.

NJ10
01-11-2012, 03:50 PM
Ballard was clearly in bounds, you can see on the freeze frame.
And Jennings bobbled the ball the entire way until Prince knocked it loose. I still cant see how they called that a catch. We were screwed on alot of other plays too, cant recall right now.

NJ10
01-11-2012, 03:52 PM
Whining about the refs.

I thought you guys were better than that.

When you outscore your opponents by over 200 points (like the Packers did in 2011) a bad call here or there will not significantly affect your season.

Speaking of "drinking the Kool-Aid", the Kool-Aid must be flowing pretty heavy out there in NY if you seriously believe the Giants are going to simply roll into Green Bay and defeat the Packers. Your team already has seven losses, many to weak teams (like Washington). No reason to think they won't have another.

OK, it's too close to game day to participate here any more.

Challenger out.


<font color="#FF0000">Well i guess that's it, should sent a memo to the Giant players. No need to even show up, cant win.</font>

fansince69
01-11-2012, 03:56 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</p>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</p>


So like <font color="#980001">SIMMS5611</font> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</p>


FAIL!</p>

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.


On the video it is very very hard to tell....there is a freeze frame floating around this message board that clearly shows his knee in...At this point all of this is irrelevant....I think I can speak for the whole board when I say that all we really want is a well called fair game....and let the best team win........

rainierjef
01-11-2012, 03:57 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</P>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</P>


So like <FONT color=#980001>SIMMS5611</FONT> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</P>


FAIL!</P>




http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.
</P>


</P>


Why do you guys to expect a cowboys fan to see the obvious knees down in he endzone and the bluer grass that lifted off the ground cause of his KNEES!!! sliding out of bounds he held posession that ball did not move a bit in his hands. </P>


the jennings TD that ball was not secured throughout the catch in bound and out. it got knocked out thats how you know it was secured. as per the calvin johnson rule...</P>

RoanokeFan
01-11-2012, 03:58 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</p>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</p>


So like <font color="#980001">SIMMS5611</font> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</p>


FAIL!</p>

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

<font color="#0000FF">Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.</font>

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.


You're a pretty savvy fan. How can you say "part of his knee was in bounds" and then say it wasn't a TD? By rule,.if his "knee" was down, he would be in bounds, period. The still photo shows dark end zone pellets being sprayed ahead of his knee. That was a bad call but, as with all bad calls, it doesn't matter now.

fansince69
01-11-2012, 04:00 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</p>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</p>


So like <font color="#980001">SIMMS5611</font> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</p>


FAIL!</p>




http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.
</p>


</p>


Why do you guys to expect a cowboys fan to see the obvious knees down in he endzone and the bluer grass that lifted off the ground cause of his KNEES!!! sliding out of bounds he held posession that ball did not move a bit in his hands. </p>


the jennings TD that ball was not secured throughout the catch in bound and out. it got knocked out thats how you know it was secured. as per the calvin johnson rule...</p>

Because THIS cowboy fan is a very objective fan and has always been respectful and has shown he deserves our respect

Ntegrase96
01-11-2012, 04:01 PM
Ballard was clearly in bounds, you can see on the freeze frame.
And Jennings bobbled the ball the entire way until Prince knocked it loose. I still cant see how they called that a catch. We were screwed on alot of other plays too, cant recall right now.


I saw both the pictures and it looks like that's the case especially in this one...

http://profootballzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/ballard.jpg

But in the video, his knee clearly doesn't land perfectly like that. It appears to continue rolling and touches the line.

Ntegrase96
01-11-2012, 04:05 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</p>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</p>


So like <font color="#980001">SIMMS5611</font> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</p>


FAIL!</p>

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

<font color="#0000ff">Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.</font>

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.


You're a pretty savvy fan. How can you say "part of his knee was in bounds" and then say it wasn't a TD? By rule,.if his "knee" was down, he would be in bounds, period. The still photo shows dark end zone pellets being sprayed ahead of his knee. That was a bad call but, as with all bad calls, it doesn't matter now.



Because if the rest of his knee rolls out of bounds, is it a catch? Seriously I don't know. That's why I used the analogy of toe taps. Sometimes just a toe means you were in bounds, but depending on the direction you face (and natural continuation of your heel coming down) it's ruled an incompletion.

Ntegrase96
01-11-2012, 04:05 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</p>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</p>


So like <font color="#980001">SIMMS5611</font> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</p>


FAIL!</p>




http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.
</p>


</p>


Why do you guys to expect a cowboys fan to see the obvious knees down in he endzone and the bluer grass that lifted off the ground cause of his KNEES!!! sliding out of bounds he held posession that ball did not move a bit in his hands. </p>


the jennings TD that ball was not secured throughout the catch in bound and out. it got knocked out thats how you know it was secured. as per the calvin johnson rule...</p>

Because THIS cowboy fan is a very objective fan and has always been respectful and has shown he deserves our respect


Appreciate that, man.

[B]

Ruttiger711
01-11-2012, 04:10 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</P>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</P>


So like <FONT color=#980001>SIMMS5611</FONT> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</P>


FAIL!</P>




http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.
</P>


</P>


Why do you guys to expect a cowboys fan to see the obvious knees down in he endzone and the bluer grass that lifted off the ground cause of his KNEES!!! sliding out of bounds he held posession that ball did not move a bit in his hands. </P>


the jennings TD that ball was not secured throughout the catch in bound and out. it got knocked out thats how you know it was secured. <FONT color=#0000ff size=5>as per the calvin johnson rule...</FONT></P>


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Calvin Johnson rule is completely different since he went to the ground... since Jennings was upright , there is no wording in the rules that requires him to maintain possesion after the catch.</P>

RoanokeFan
01-11-2012, 04:10 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
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You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</p>


So like <font color="#980001">SIMMS5611</font> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</p>


FAIL!</p>




http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.
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Why do you guys to expect a cowboys fan to see the obvious knees down in he endzone and the bluer grass that lifted off the ground cause of his KNEES!!! sliding out of bounds he held posession that ball did not move a bit in his hands. </p>


the jennings TD that ball was not secured throughout the catch in bound and out. it got knocked out thats how you know it was secured. as per the calvin johnson rule...</p>

I don't think his being a Cowboys' fan has anything to do with it. I think he's wrong, but there are GIANTS fans who think it was the right call to.

rainierjef
01-11-2012, 04:19 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
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You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</P>


So like <FONT color=#980001>SIMMS5611</FONT> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</P>


FAIL!</P>




http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.
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Why do you guys to expect a cowboys fan to see the obvious knees down in he endzone and the bluer grass that lifted off the ground cause of his KNEES!!! sliding out of bounds he held posession that ball did not move a bit in his hands. </P>


the jennings TD that ball was not secured throughout the catch in bound and out. it got knocked out thats how you know it was secured. as per the calvin johnson rule...</P>




Because THIS cowboy fan is a very objective fan and has always been respectful and has shown he deserves our respect


Appreciate that, man.

[B]
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<FONT color=#ff0000>i'm sorry but was i disrespectful in what i said? </FONT><FONT color=#000000>i deal with cowboys fans on a regular and i got **** for that game and the bad calls and me saying they were bad calls. i just don't now how the the knees down is not both feet down? thats been the rule since highschool. and although its B.S. the calvin johnson rule is infact a preception of a judgement on what needs to happen for a catch in the endzone to be correctly ruled a touchdown. and that jenning catch was pretty a correlation of the calvin johnson rule and should not have been ruled a touch down. </FONT></P>


savvy or not were all fans of football and i hate bad officiating on any team, im pretty sure if it was the cowboys he your objective fan here would be just as pissed as us about it </P>

timmytimm3
01-11-2012, 04:23 PM
On the video it is very very hard to tell....there is a freeze frame floating around this message board that clearly shows his knee in...At this point all of this is irrelevant....I think I can speak for the whole board when I say that all we really want is a well called fair game....and let the best team win........


This.

rainierjef
01-11-2012, 04:39 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</P>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</P>


So like <FONT color=#980001>SIMMS5611</FONT> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</P>


FAIL!</P>




http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.
</P>


</P>


Why do you guys to expect a cowboys fan to see the obvious knees down in he endzone and the bluer grass that lifted off the ground cause of his KNEES!!! sliding out of bounds he held posession that ball did not move a bit in his hands. </P>


the jennings TD that ball was not secured throughout the catch in bound and out. it got knocked out thats how you know it was secured. <FONT color=#000000>as per the calvin johnson rule...</FONT></P>


</P>


Calvin Johnson rule is completely different since he went to the ground... since Jennings was upright , there is no wording in the rules that requires him to maintain possesion after the catch.</P>


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and thats the problem theres not much guidance on that rule so your saying the player doesn't have to have clear posession of the ball throughout the catch inbounds for it to be a touchdown so it can bobble in his hands until he steps out of bound and it will be ruled a touchdown? is that what your saying? whether its to the ground or not </P>

Ruttiger711
01-11-2012, 04:58 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
</P>


You lose all credibility with the first question. There were still photos of the play published after the game that clearly proves Ballard has full possession and one knee down inbounds which equates to two feet in the rule book. He also maintained possession all the way to the ground. Video replay footage can be frozen frame by frame giving you the same evidence the still photo did. The Jennings play is debateable the Ballard play is not, it was a clear TD for Ballardand anywaythe NFL admitted the Ballard call was wrong already.</P>


So like <FONT color=#980001>SIMMS5611</FONT> (/members/SIMMS5611.aspx)posted in reply to your post already:</P>


FAIL!</P>




http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

The way I look at it is like the stupid difference between toe taps. If you're facing the sideline and your toes tap in bounds, then it's a catch. If you're facing in bounds and your toes tap, but your heel hits the line, it's an incomplete pass.

Yes part of his knee hits in bounds, but the rest of his knee rolls out. Same deal.

The Jennings one is closer, but he takes three steps while the ball seems to be secured with his left hand before it's knocked away.
</P>


</P>


Why do you guys to expect a cowboys fan to see the obvious knees down in he endzone and the bluer grass that lifted off the ground cause of his KNEES!!! sliding out of bounds he held posession that ball did not move a bit in his hands. </P>


the jennings TD that ball was not secured throughout the catch in bound and out. it got knocked out thats how you know it was secured. <FONT color=#000000>as per the calvin johnson rule...</FONT></P>


</P>


Calvin Johnson rule is completely different since he went to the ground... since Jennings was upright , there is no wording in the rules that requires him to maintain possesion after the catch.</P>


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and thats the problem theres not much guidance on that rule so your saying the player doesn't have to have clear posession of the ball throughout the catch inbounds for it to be a touchdown so it can bobble in his hands until he steps out of bound and it will be ruled a touchdown? is that what your saying? whether its to the ground or not </P>


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What I'm saying is what I think the ref saw (in the replay because theres no way he could have seen it real time and shoudlnt have ruled it a td on the field) is that yes I can see that there is a fraction of a second where Jennings has the ball secure in his left hand only (bobbled in the right but you dont need 2 hands on a ball for it to be a catch)..with 2 feet inbounds ... and thats a td..the play is over as a td before he even steps out of bounds. There's no wording that says he has to hold on to the ball. </P>


Thats the difference with the calvin johnson rule... since he went to the ground he has to maintain clear possesion... i get the spirit of the rule, but there's no way the Calvin Johnsoncatch wasnt a td. </P>


In other words... if the exact same thing happens in the Jennings play, but he goes to the ground and loses the ball - by rule - its not a td. </P>


I'm not saying i agree with it... I just can see how the refs are justifying themselves. </P>


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NYCDBS
01-11-2012, 05:37 PM
Honestly I'm ok with all of it... Sure there were some calls that didn't go our way the Ballard TD bothers me the most for some reason, but we got what we needed out of that game. The Giants went toe to toe with the best team in the league and it should give this team a lot of confidence going in to Green Bay this weekend. We've got our running game gaining traction OSI is back and Rodgers is going to see the most pressure he's seen all year. Oh and as far as our offense is concerned Eli is going to have all of his weapons this time... Maybe I am drinking the Kool Aide but I don't think thus game is going to be as close as people think I do see a high score but I think our defense steps up and makes the difference 37-24 Gmen!!!! Book it!!!

JMGGIANTS
01-11-2012, 06:19 PM
although Jenning's catch was not conventional, in my opinion he had squeezed one half of the ball length and had it tight enough to warrant control of ball.

michaelkhan3
01-11-2012, 07:02 PM
Everyone remembers Jake ballard getting robbed of that TD but no one seems to mention the play were prince smacked the ball out of Greg jennings hands in the endzone witch looked like an incomplete pass but he was still rewarded with the TD. I cant take anymore bad officiating, If they ruin the game for us this weekend I'm gonna go crazy.</p>


I for one havent forgotten at all. </p>


The way the refs saw it is that he had possesion in his left hand... (for what must have been 1/10th of a second) ... and possesion in the endzone even just for an instant... is a td... </p>


now had he gone to the ground, he would have had to hold on to the ball all the way through. </p>


Whats baffling though is how that was ruled a td on the field with that ball flopping around on the ground after.... the refs looked at the replay and found what they needed to prove themselves right.... it should have been ruled incomplete and Green Bay could have challenged... maybe they get it maybe they dont at that point. </p>


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I find it funny that that was a TD but Calvin Johnson last year had possession in the endzone but it wasn't a TD. What this seems to mean is that WRs may get penalized for going to the ground while making a catch in the endzone

michaelkhan3
01-11-2012, 07:07 PM
On the video it is very very hard to tell....there is a freeze frame floating around this message board that clearly shows his knee in...At this point all of this is irrelevant....I think I can speak for the whole board when I say that all we really want is a well called fair game....and let the best team win........


This.

To be quite honest I disagree I just want the giants to win I dont care how it happens. I'm sure alot of people will agree with this and hopefully the players do

jomo
01-11-2012, 07:13 PM
Perhaps you ought to familiarize yourselves with the NFL Rule Book.

PLAYER POSSESSION
Article 7????A player is in possession when he is in firm grip and control of the ball inbounds (See 3-2-3).
To gain possession of a loose ball (3-2-3) that has been caught, intercepted, or recovered, a player must have
complete control of the ball and have both feet or any other part of his body, other than his hands,
completely on the ground inbounds, and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act
common to the game. If the player loses the ball while simultaneously touching both feet or any other part
of his body to the ground or if there is any doubt that the acts were simultaneous, there is no possession.
This rule applies in the field of play and in the end zone.
The terms catch, intercept, recover, advance, and fumble denote player possession (as distinguished from
touching or muffing).
Note 1: A player who goes to the ground in the process of attempting to secure possession of a loose ball (with
or without contact by an opponent) must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting
the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches
the ground before he regains control, there is no possession. If he regains control prior to the ball touching
the ground, it is a catch, interception, or recovery.
Note 2: If a player goes to the ground out-of-bounds (with or without contact by an opponent) in the process of
attempting to secure possession of a loose ball at the sideline, he must maintain complete and continuous
control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, or there is no possession.
Note 3: If a player has control of the ball, a slight movement of the ball will not be considered loss of
possession. He must lose control of the ball in order to rule that there has been a loss of possession.
You are trying to bluff the lazy among us by throwing a bunch of words at us. Let me simplify this and direct you to the part that says: "and maintain control of the ball long enough to perform any act common to the game. " Your guy did not meet this threshold in the end zone that night. He was juggling the ball and if he ever actually gained control, it was at the very moment that Prince swatted it away. He did not have it long enought to "perform any act common to the game" unless you consider dropping a pass "common to the game."

Itlan
01-11-2012, 07:17 PM
You guys are such homers sometimes.

First of all, Ballard's almost TD was not a TD. Period. It simply wasn't, he didn't get the knee or other foot in. Pictures can be deceiving, watch the replay.

Second, Jennings had both hands on the ball, without it moving, for three steps. How is that not a possession? Yes, it got slapped out. Yes, it would've been a fumble. Doesn't matter. 2 steps = football move, which equals possession, which means a TD.

Stop crying. Be more concerned with the push offs and holding that occurred that game, not those two calls.

paul anthony
01-11-2012, 07:27 PM
Dong even mention holding, I get fired up when I see tuck Osi and jpp consistinly getting held with no flags being called. But snee and dehil will get a holding falg every single time.

ShakeNBake
01-11-2012, 07:31 PM
Whining about the refs.

I thought you guys were better than that.

When you outscore your opponents by over 200 points (like the Packers did in 2011) a bad call here or there will not significantly affect your season.

Speaking of "drinking the Kool-Aid", the Kool-Aid must be flowing pretty heavy out there in NY if you seriously believe the Giants are going to simply roll into Green Bay and defeat the Packers. Your team already has seven losses, many to weak teams (like Washington). No reason to think they won't have another.

OK, it's too close to game day to participate here any more.

Challenger out.


And you guys lost to KC and should have lost to us. Your team is going to have the same fate as your username.

Wes
01-11-2012, 07:42 PM
Everyone remembers Jake ballard getting robbed of that TD but no one seems to mention the play were prince smacked the ball out of Greg jennings hands in the endzone witch looked like an incomplete pass but he was still rewarded with the TD. I cant take anymore bad officiating, If they ruin the game for us this weekend I'm gonna go crazy.</P>


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it was too close to overturn. it was a TD...or it seemed close enough and who cares its not like on that day we would of stopped them from getting the TD</P>


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Bottom line is, if Rodgers is on his back or getting hit quite a bit he wont be making any throws to be close calls.</P>


Def needs to bring the heat and shut it all down and we wont have any issues</P>

paul anthony
01-11-2012, 07:49 PM
Everyone remembers Jake ballard getting robbed of that TD but no one seems to mention the play were prince smacked the ball out of Greg jennings hands in the endzone witch looked like an incomplete pass but he was still rewarded with the TD. I cant take anymore bad officiating, If they ruin the game for us this weekend I'm gonna go crazy.</P>


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it was too close to overturn.* it was a TD...or it seemed close enough and who cares its not like on that day web would of stopped them from getting the TD</P>


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Bottom line is, if Rodgers is on his back or getting hit quite a bit he wont be making any throws to be close calls.</P>



Def needs to bring the heat and shut it all down and we wont have any issues</P>

I hope we bring the pressure with a 4 de set with jpp tolly tuck and osi while biltzing kiwi and lets see how quick we can rattle Rodgers.

Firenugget
01-11-2012, 08:13 PM
If it's ruled a TD, it's a TD. Get over it, move on, etc... Sunday is a new day.

FIFTY6G-MAN
01-11-2012, 08:19 PM
Wait, how was Ballard's a TD?

And how was Greg Jennings not a TD?

It was a close game and those were big plays, but the refs got those right.
here ya go Ntegrase96, have a look see and then we can move on.</P>


http://giantskickoff.com/2011/12/06/evidence-the-refs-helped-packers-beat-the-ny-giants/</P>

gsp3
01-11-2012, 08:30 PM
People arguing against the Jennings TD are wrong and biased. I'll definitely admit that the Ballard TD should've counted, but Jennings TD was legitimate. He had possession of the ball for good second with a couple steps there.

Seriously, if Nicks or Cruz made that catch you'd all be arguing that it was a TD; don't try to say otherwise.

FIFTY6G-MAN
01-11-2012, 08:33 PM
People arguing against the Jennings TD are wrong and biased. I'll definitely admit that the Ballard TD should've counted, but Jennings TD was legitimate. He had possession of the ball for good second with a couple steps there. Seriously, if Nicks or Cruz made that catch you'd all be arguing that it was a TD; don't try to say otherwise.Did you even look at the link i sent Ntgrase? You are as bad as the refs that called it a TD

Ruttiger711
01-11-2012, 09:09 PM
You guys are such homers sometimes. First of all, Ballard's almost TD was not a TD. Period. It simply wasn't, he didn't get the knee or other foot in. Pictures can be deceiving, watch the replay. <FONT color=#0000ff>Second, Jennings had both hands on the ball, <FONT size=5>without it moving</FONT>, for three steps</FONT>. How is that not a possession? Yes, it got slapped out. Yes, it would've been a fumble. Doesn't matter. 2 steps = football move, which equals possession, which means a TD. Stop crying. Be more concerned with the push offs and holding that occurred that game, not those two calls.</P>


You are clearly insane</P>


http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d824c71fd/Ballard-s-catch-a-touchdown

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Ruttiger711
01-11-2012, 09:10 PM
People arguing against the Jennings TD are wrong and biased. I'll definitely admit that the Ballard TD should've counted, but Jennings TD was legitimate. He had possession of the ball for good second with a couple steps there. Seriously, if Nicks or Cruz made that catch you'd all be arguing that it was a TD; don't try to say otherwise.</P>


It's not even a second in slow motion</P>

tikiandphil
01-11-2012, 09:17 PM
Greg Jennings had already clearly established possession on the football in the end zone.

Touchdown.


The only way that occurs is when you stop the tape and it looks like the ball is attached to the finger tips. Even then, he only would have #1 foot in bounds. There is no way Giants fans come off looking anything but disgruntled but, "SALLY THAT WAS NO TOUCHDOWN".

rainierjef
01-11-2012, 09:21 PM
Mike piera i dont know if i spelled that right, called the ballard TDa TD and he said he didn't see jennings with both hands or one fully contolled the ball. so I as an average fan is inclined to believe him the former VP of officiating over you other average fans. just saying