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elitime
01-13-2012, 11:14 PM
Never listen or read any of the draft experts when they say who the Giants will pick. When were they right? JPP in the first round, or take Prince...who saw that happening? What I think would be the best for the Giants would be Vontaze Burfict...we need a crazy backer who will make a difference quick. He big he is nasty and we need that. I know we need O-linemen, but we need linebackers quick. Goff is not gonna cut it. Burfict would be that "head-case" that we need, only if they can contain him from being stupid when the play is over. Second, Lamar Miller from the U. Great speed and since Jacobs is gone after the season is over we need a running back. Third go for O-linemen. fill in the little holes. Tell me what you think...love to here from you guys maybe go back and forth with some great football talk. Giants rule...I'm out.

Itlan
01-13-2012, 11:24 PM
A lot of analysts predicted KP, Nicks, and JPP. Prince was a surprise because he fell, not because they didn't think the Giants would draft a CB.

We needed safety play badly in following 2007, and KP was slated a late-round 1st rounder. Following 2008, we really needed a receiver after Plax went down. Crabtree, Harvin, and Maclin were all predicted to go before Nicks, and it was a toss-up between Britt and Nicks. Most predicted Nicks. As for JPP, they simply saw a raw DE falling into the Giants lap, and knew Reese wouldn't pass up the opportunity to draft another DE.

The only real surprise was Prince, and that's because he was projected a top 10 pick.

bLuereverie
01-13-2012, 11:34 PM
Tell me something good and objective about Burfict other than he can hit pretty hard and shed some blocks.

elitime
01-13-2012, 11:56 PM
Athletic. more athletic than any of our linebackers...except maybe Boley. Will make an impact right out of camp. Awesome closing speed. Great tackling..( Jahvid best, LaMichael James) Fearless. Ray lewis type. I think we would have loved to have a Ray Lewis on the Giants...A middle Linebacker that will be in the middle for 10,12,13 years. I know that he is a wild card..I know this. But you are telling me that he wouldnt be a tackling machine and a huge upgrade. Hightower, and that Kid from BC will be gone before our pick comes. I do think that we will pick an O linemen or maybe a saftey, but I have watched and watched this Burfict kid and he is a great one of a kind linebacker, the only reason he is not on top of everbody's boards is because of his personal fouls and him being a head case hard to control player. He would be number 1 or 2. Why? You don't think Burfict would be a great linebacker for the Giants?

elitime
01-14-2012, 12:03 AM
Your right, but what I was trying to say is not the postion but the player they say we are going to pick. M ost experts know what teams need but Reese I would like to think goes for the best player on the board.

XxBigWhitxX
01-14-2012, 12:44 AM
Tell me something good and objective about Burfict other than he can hit pretty hard and shed some blocks.He's not a liability in coverage cause he takes good drops, Has great speed and agility to go with ideal size 6"2 245, Has no problem taking the vocal leader role, plays with great fire and makes good tackles, can make the "Wow" plays.

I honestly didn't like the kid alot until I rewatched some tape and though his tape this year wasn't as good as last year you have to admit some of the plays he made last year would be ridiculous to repeat again. As for his attitude. this is the New York Giants locker room, coaching staff, and players we're talking about. they can straighten him out.

Spizi
01-14-2012, 01:48 PM
Tell me something good and objective about Burfict other than he can hit pretty hard and shed some blocks.He's not a liability in coverage cause he takes good drops, Has great speed and agility to go with ideal size 6"2 245, Has no problem taking the vocal leader role, plays with great fire and makes good tackles, can make the "Wow" plays.

I honestly didn't like the kid alot until I rewatched some tape and though his tape this year wasn't as good as last year you have to admit some of the plays he made last year would be ridiculous to repeat again. As for his attitude. this is the New York Giants locker room, coaching staff, and players we're talking about. they can straighten him out.

That's not the point though. Everyone knows that he's worth a 1st rounder based on potential, but his character concerns are VERY alarming. His coach, who coached Ray Lewis, benched him from a bowl game! He is going to be very hard to be tamed.

bLuereverie
01-14-2012, 02:08 PM
It was expected that he return to school after that bad year he had. Some speculate him entering may be a sign of falling out from coaches. Even without all the character concerns, he just didn't look good at all playing football.

XxBigWhitxX
01-14-2012, 02:17 PM
It was expected that he return to school after that bad year he had. Some speculate him entering may be a sign of falling out from coaches. Even without all the character concerns, he just didn't look good at all playing football.Everyone has an off year.

XxBigWhitxX
01-14-2012, 02:20 PM
Tell me something good and objective about Burfict other than he can hit pretty hard and shed some blocks.He's not a liability in coverage cause he takes good drops, Has great speed and agility to go with ideal size 6"2 245, Has no problem taking the vocal leader role, plays with great fire and makes good tackles, can make the "Wow" plays.

I honestly didn't like the kid alot until I rewatched some tape and though his tape this year wasn't as good as last year you have to admit some of the plays he made last year would be ridiculous to repeat again. As for his attitude. this is the New York Giants locker room, coaching staff, and players we're talking about. they can straighten him out.

That's not the point though. Everyone knows that he's worth a 1st rounder based on potential, but his character concerns are VERY alarming. His coach, who coached Ray Lewis, benched him from a bowl game! He is going to be very hard to be tamed.And Mario and Ahmad had problems that were illegal. I am a firm believer in the character system that Reese and Coughlin have built here and I am 100% sure that they could keep him in check without limiting his fire.

elitime
01-14-2012, 03:00 PM
So who will the Giants take in the first round? Like to get some opinions.

Spizi
01-14-2012, 04:35 PM
Tell me something good and objective about Burfict other than he can hit pretty hard and shed some blocks.He's not a liability in coverage cause he takes good drops, Has great speed and agility to go with ideal size 6"2 245, Has no problem taking the vocal leader role, plays with great fire and makes good tackles, can make the "Wow" plays.

I honestly didn't like the kid alot until I rewatched some tape and though his tape this year wasn't as good as last year you have to admit some of the plays he made last year would be ridiculous to repeat again. As for his attitude. this is the New York Giants locker room, coaching staff, and players we're talking about. they can straighten him out.

That's not the point though. Everyone knows that he's worth a 1st rounder based on potential, but his character concerns are VERY alarming. His coach, who coached Ray Lewis, benched him from a bowl game! He is going to be very hard to be tamed.And Mario and Ahmad had problems that were illegal. I am a firm believer in the character system that Reese and Coughlin have built here and I am 100% sure that they could keep him in check without limiting his fire.

What mario smoked weed?? Who doesn't lol Vontaze Burfict has character concerns and attitude problems on the field. He doesn't respect authority and he had this whole year to prove he learned from his mistakes last year. He was even worse than before so why would he change now??

ShockeyShow
01-14-2012, 04:49 PM
Character issues are not a concern here. We're not asking him to come in and be the leader of the D...we need him to be a controlled chaos.

Spizi
01-14-2012, 06:31 PM
Character issues are not a concern here. We're not asking him to come in and be the leader of the D...we need him to be a controlled chaos.

They are absolutely a concern here. He doesn't respect his coaches or the officials. He had all year to prove to NFL teams that he has learned from his out of control play last year and he was worse than before.

slipknottin
01-14-2012, 07:21 PM
I feel like these people who are so high on Burfict have not watched him play much.

He was not a good player this season at all. Id take him if it was 3rd round or later, but as a first or 2nd round pick? no way.

slipknottin
01-14-2012, 07:22 PM
Character issues are not a concern here. We're not asking him to come in and be the leader of the D...we need him to be a controlled chaos.

Who was the last player the giants drafted in the first round that had character issues coming out?

lawl
01-14-2012, 07:51 PM
I have zero interest in Burfict.</P>


I'm still not completely informed as to positional strengths coming out this year, and I'm very torn on what positions should be at the top of the list.</P>


It's going to be a weird offseason</P>

ShockeyShow
01-14-2012, 08:19 PM
Character issues are not a concern here. We're not asking him to come in and be the leader of the D...we need him to be a controlled chaos.

They are absolutely a concern here. He doesn't respect his coaches or the officials. He had all year to prove to NFL teams that he has learned from his out of control play last year and he was worse than before.

What I'm saying is that we've got plenty of players that would put him in his place the first time he tries to pull something. So no, HIS character issues aren't a concern to me in the slightest.

bLuereverie
01-14-2012, 08:22 PM
Still a bit naive. There are just some players no one can put in place let alone the quiet tempered leaders of the Giants defense.

BlueSanta
01-14-2012, 09:33 PM
anyone who thinks the Giants dont consider character in their 1st round picks, hasnt paid attention....ever.

elitime
01-18-2012, 12:09 AM
Seriously as much as I would like to get Burfict or any middle linebacker, the Gmen will take an OL thats a true concern. But who knows till that day. So many draft boards have Giants taking a TE, OT, ILB(3 different guys) Burfict,hightower, and that kid from BC. TE from stanford. And an OT from stanford. who knows.

RonJon
01-18-2012, 10:52 AM
Would love to get Alabama LB Dont'a Hightower, which one mock draft has us taking at 28. Of course if we win the SB or get there, out position goes back 3-4 spots