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Latinoshockeyfan
11-22-2010, 12:21 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

Mark444
11-22-2010, 12:22 AM
Eli is the best, he's just a dummy sometimes

tuckmvp91
11-22-2010, 12:24 AM
playing without his 3 most important offensive players,

RoanokeFan
11-22-2010, 12:24 AM
Eli is the best, he's just a dummy sometimes


That wold make him not the "best" [8-)]

RHABEE39
11-22-2010, 12:25 AM
ELI NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO SLIDE..

StuckInIndy
11-22-2010, 12:27 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror

giantyankee1976
11-22-2010, 12:27 AM
Here I am....it is what it is, Eli makes some really dumb *** decisions at times.

Other times his lack of coordination of agile/ nifty athleticism is apparent.

But AB fumbled the rock twice and got lucky one time only to see the O go 3 and out anyway

and the D gave up 2 major big plays as well.

in this equation, i strongly believe that Amani ver. 2 (Smith) is most missed by Eli.

Clearly Hagan was having some issues with certain plays, but in the end, Eli brilliantly picks up a needed 1st down, only to un-athletically "Plaxico" us at play's end.

Turnovers are the kryptonite, Special teams the arsenic.

Eli's a catalyst, both positively and negatively.

but in the end I rather have Eli then ***** boy sanchez or a ton of other alledged QBs icluding momo or mcnuggets and Vick?

he's been put on notice, he found out what the NFCE brings tonight.

pain....lots of it.

TruBloo
11-22-2010, 12:29 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

Eli is much classier person than Vick. If anything, our D made Vick look like the Vick of Atlanta.

radar-ray
11-22-2010, 12:30 AM
Here I am....it is what it is, Eli makes some really dumb *** decisions at times.

Other times his lack of coordination of agile/ nifty athleticism is apparent.

But AB fumbled the rock twice and got lucky one time only to see the O go 3 and out anyway

and the D gave up 2 major big plays as well.

in this equation, i strongly believe that Amani ver. 2 (Smith)* is most missed by Eli.

Clearly Hagan was having some issues with certain plays, but in the end, Eli brilliantly picks up a needed 1st down, only to un-athletically "Plaxico" us at play's end.

Turnovers are the kryptonite, Special teams the arsenic.

Eli's a catalyst, both positively and negatively.

but in the end I rather have Eli then ***** boy sanchez or a ton of other alledged QBs icluding momo or mcnuggets and Vick?

he's been put on notice, he found out what the NFCE brings tonight.

pain....lots of it.
Well put. El'is just uncoordinated running, period.

iNYG
11-22-2010, 12:32 AM
You serouisly think Eli lost that game? Yeah he threw 3 ints and had a fumble but let's examine the whole team concept. First, Eli's playing behind a 2nd string line that has not been together for more than 3 weeks. Second, the giants run on 1st and run on 2nd and then put Eli in 3rd and long situations. I don't know if you actually watch football but its pretty hard to convert every 3rd and long especially when your #1 WR is out. Third, Eli's WRs cant catch. Manningham runs horrible routes. Hakeem goes out of bounds first drive on a long pass. Jacobs drops what could have potentially been a 1st down the play before Eli fumbled. Eli has been the type of QB that can "manage" a game. When our WRs don't catch the balls or keep theirfeet in or don't push the route deep enough it reflects poorly on Eli. Also when the line doesn't block for the running backs then the running backs can't run. Which then puts Eli is a really bad position. But at the end of the day I think Eli gives us a very good chance at winning every single week. I wish the Giants would allow Eli to come out throwing the ball, push the DBs back and get the 8 and some times 9 guys out of the box. So that the running backs can actually ...RUN! Overall, Eli had a poor game but the supporting cast was even worse!</P>

lawl
11-22-2010, 12:33 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? Eli is much classier person than Vick. If anything, our D made Vick look like the Vick of Atlanta.</P>


Who cares what Vick did, he's talking about Eli. </P>

RoanokeFan
11-22-2010, 12:33 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror


That's old news. Losing is one things, giving games away like tonight and the Titans are something else. I don't think it's hard to learn how to S L I D E, do you?

tikiandphil
11-22-2010, 12:37 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror


That's old news.** Losing is one things, giving games away like tonight and the Titans are something* else.* I don't think it's hard to learn how to S L I D E, do you?


Again RF I am with you. I'm not asking eli to be Tom Brady or Peyton but how about throwing off your front foot and learning how to fall down while keeping your hands around the ball

T-Murda84
11-22-2010, 12:48 AM
You serouisly think Eli lost that game? Yeah he threw 3 ints and had a fumble but let's examine the whole team concept. First, Eli's playing behind a 2nd string line that has not been together for more than 3 weeks. Second, the giants run on 1st and run on 2nd and then put Eli in 3rd and long situations. I don't know if you actually watch football but its pretty hard to convert every 3rd and long especially when your #1 WR is out. Third, Eli's WRs cant catch. Manningham runs horrible routes. Hakeem goes out of bounds first drive on a long pass. Jacobs drops what could have potentially been a 1st down the play before Eli fumbled. Eli has been the type of QB that can "manage" a game. When our WRs don't catch the balls or keep their*feet in or don't push the route deep enough it reflects poorly on Eli. Also when the line doesn't block for the running backs then the running backs can't run. Which then puts Eli is a really bad position. But at the end of the day I think Eli gives us a very good chance at winning every single week. I wish the Giants would allow Eli to come out throwing the ball, push the DBs back and get the 8 and some times 9 guys out of the box. So that the running backs can actually ...RUN! Overall, Eli had a poor game but the supporting cast was even worse!</P>

DONT Make an excuse and Call this a second string O-line. MOST OF YALL WANTED DIEHL OUT THE LINEUP....now when we cant run the ball and get the holes like we use to, We make an excuse about Injuries. Yea U right Eli isnt the only culprit, this team has other issues as well. But for us to contain Vick the way we did, and to stink that bad on Offensive is inexcusable. I kept telling Every1 that Diehl is very important, becuase he does a decent job in the running game. Dont make that 2nd string O-Line excuse....Yall wanted Andrews in, and Seubert has had many snaps including in the Preason Season as a Center

King Sully
11-22-2010, 12:52 AM
i support him, he's just does dumb **** a little too often, people have to realize he is not his brother and they have different style of play and football IQ. I support him, and appreciate him when he wins us games, do i get mad when he loses us games? Yes, but id rather have him than any other qb in the league aside from maybe 5.

eli=mvp
11-22-2010, 12:53 AM
I'm here read my post!! you guys are a joke and yes that's u..go be a saints fan or eagles you joke!!

luvgiants
11-22-2010, 12:56 AM
Alot of giants fans dont apperciate what they have. Eli is a good QB. If they ever have to play without him due to injury you will see. Hopefully never happens

CowboysSuck
11-22-2010, 12:56 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

Im right here idiot and i'll support Eli til the day he retires.

Yea he made a dumb play, but hell keep that ball 9 times out of 10....just plain bad luck!!!!

I can't wait to see all of you losers disappear after we go 10-6 and make the playoffs!!!

I'm just as pissed off as anyone, but you can't lose hope. you just cant...

lawl
11-22-2010, 12:56 AM
I don't see how anyone can be a NYG fan and not be an Eli supporter. If you dont support a player on the team isn't that completely contradictory to being a fan of said player and team?</P>


Theres a difference between not liking a player and not supporting him. Poor choice of words by the OP.</P>

lawl
11-22-2010, 12:57 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

Im right here idiot and i'll support Eli til the day he retires.

Yea he made a dumb play, but hell keep that ball 9 times out of 10....just plain bad luck!!!!

I can't wait to see all of you losers disappear after we go 10-6 and make the playoffs!!!

I'm just as pissed off as anyone, but you can't lose hope. you just cant...
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well he is 0-2 on diving plays against the Eagles, hardly 9 out of 10 lol</P>

HeGoesDeep
11-22-2010, 12:57 AM
Archie shot blanks with this one..

NWKEffectElement
11-22-2010, 12:58 AM
Here I am....it is what it is, Eli makes some really dumb *** decisions at times.

Other times his lack of coordination of agile/ nifty athleticism is apparent.

But AB fumbled the rock twice and got lucky one time only to see the O go 3 and out anyway

and the D gave up 2 major big plays as well.

in this equation, i strongly believe that Amani ver. 2 (Smith)* is most missed by Eli.

Clearly Hagan was having some issues with certain plays, but in the end, Eli brilliantly picks up a needed 1st down, only to un-athletically "Plaxico" us at play's end.

Turnovers are the kryptonite, Special teams the arsenic.

Eli's a catalyst, both positively and negatively.

but in the end I rather have Eli then ***** boy sanchez or a ton of other alledged QBs icluding momo or mcnuggets and Vick?

he's been put on notice, he found out what the NFCE brings tonight.

pain....lots of it.


It this point I would take Sanchez and his upside. It is ashamed that Eli is regressing after being in the league this long.

jax5338
11-22-2010, 12:58 AM
im here. he played ****ty today. no way around it. as a giant fan, why do you seem happy that he ahd a bad game? so you can say i told you so? good for you! hes still gonna be here next week and the giants are 6-4. he was bad but you certainly cant pin this solely on him. if theres one thing you can admire as an eli hater, it's his resiliency.

sharick88
11-22-2010, 01:04 AM
Elisha Manning is what he is. He consistent at being inconsistent. He'll make you love and hate him all in one game. He will make plays, but he will also turn the ball over at an alarming rate. He is averaging over 2 turnovers a game. Even the most homerific Eli lover can't defend that. Well, they might blame the receivers, the wind, or the o-line. lol. He has his strengths and his flaws. I still want him as our qb regardless because our qb situation could be even worse.

PIERCEnumber58rules
11-22-2010, 01:05 AM
I'll throw Eli some support... I'm as much a fan of Eli's as I am the rest of the team. I'm not an Eli homer by any means. I think he's a good QB, not average, not elite, GOOD. I think the fact that we have a banged up O-Line is hurting him. We can't get the running game going, and it's making us too one deminsional. And I said this in another post- losing Steve Smith is hurting our passing game big time. Manningham &amp; Nicks aren't as good without Steve Smith on the field. Eli fumbling at the end was killer... but IMO, we didn't deserve to win that game anyways. Philly should've beat us by 3 TD's.

Giants182
11-22-2010, 01:06 AM
ELI NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO SLIDE..


a freaking men but i still think elis great. We need a new coaching staff. We have too good of a team to be just average and thats all the giants are now.

joedepot
11-22-2010, 01:11 AM
Eli is an average quarterback, but it was Coughlin, Eli's biggest supporter who is starting to show signs of fustration, When he was asked about the fumble, Couhlin said, he knows he supposed to slide, He did the same thing last year, So when your biggest supporter becomes fustrated and he is your coach, you know there is trouble brewing. He has mental lapses and too many other mistakes. He is just average. That's all you are going to get with Eli.

G-man 2125
11-22-2010, 01:14 AM
I don't see how anyone can be a NYG fan and not be an Eli supporter. If you dont support a player on the team isn't that completely contradictory to being a fan of said player and team?</p>


Theres a difference between not liking a player and not supporting him. Poor choice of words by the OP.</p>Not really, I hate Dodge and Tynes, but when it's your franchise quarterback that's not going to going be leaving anytime soon, it would make being a fan completely miserable, I'd imagine. After all in the NFL your quarterback is your team.

lawl
11-22-2010, 01:20 AM
I don't see how anyone can be a NYG fan and not be an Eli supporter. If you dont support a player on the team isn't that completely contradictory to being a fan of said player and team?</P>


Theres a difference between not liking a player and not supporting him. Poor choice of words by the OP.</P>


Not really, I hate Dodge and Tynes, but when it's your franchise quarterback that's not going to going be leaving anytime soon, it would make being a fan completely miserable, I'd imagine. After all in the NFL your quarterback is your team.
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Its just in itself the definition of the word support/supporting. If you support him then you want for him to do well, thus help your team win. Even if you know the guy sucks and probably wont do well, then you still hope for him to do well to help the team win, thusly supporting him. </P>


Whereas, you can know a guy sucks and then hope for them to suck? Not really following the train of thought.</P>

EmpireStateG
11-22-2010, 01:24 AM
Elisha Manning is what he is. He consistent at being inconsistent. He'll make you love and hate him all in one game. He will make plays, but he will also turn the ball over at an alarming rate. He is averaging over 2 turnovers a game. Even the most homerific Eli lover can't defend that. Well, they might blame the receivers, the wind, or the o-line. lol. He has his strengths and his flaws. I still want him as our qb regardless because our qb situation could be even worse.

I totally agree with this. I like Eli, and I want to strangle him. A day in the life of a Giant's fan. What's new? Next.

heavyhitter
11-22-2010, 01:25 AM
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/LOL-ELIS-BUTTERFLIES.jpg

sharick88
11-22-2010, 01:26 AM
I don't have a problem for sticking with him through thick and thin. I'm just being real about him. Despite his flaws, he is still the mvp of this team. We'd be the Buffalo Bills without him. I also don't mind people ripping him a new *** hole tonight for this performance or for his 20+ turnovers this season. an eli homer blames everything but him. a hater blames it all on him. I'm in the middle.

Landshark
11-22-2010, 01:26 AM
I just gotta say this man, he doesn't keep it 9 out of 10 like you said. He did the same exact dumb***** thing last season against the same team. I would be willing to bet he hasn't even scrambled like that more then 10 times since last year... I like like Eli, but cmon, that was as stupid as it gets... Period.

StuckInIndy
11-22-2010, 01:29 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror


That's old news. Losing is one things, giving games away like tonight and the Titans are something else. I don't think it's hard to learn how to S L I D E, do you?


How about you tell Phil Simms that one SB MVP is old news... Eli = Greatest Giant QB of the Modern Era by 4... 6 straight 20 TD seasons, and no matter the outcome tonight, we are getting a wildcard at least

FUUFNF
11-22-2010, 01:46 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night?

FUUFNF
11-22-2010, 01:48 AM
That fumble was a killer, but the WHOLE offense is a walking turnover right now and the defense (although they are playing well) aren't exactly getting a lot of takeaways... Still, I thought we played fairly well tonight... We definitely played well enough to win, and with a lot of key players out too.

pj18
11-22-2010, 02:03 AM
I'm so pissed off right now. It's getting hard to support Eli this season after that play(s) tonight. Fumbling without being touched with the game on the line? Is that a ****ing joke?

DragonSoul
11-22-2010, 02:08 AM
I still support our SB MVP QB (sad that you do not). Made some good plays (which helped us stay in the game, with some real solid defensive play as well), and some bad plays, but he was far from the only reason we lost last night.

Do you need me to list you the ways? Or are you that freaking blind? Cannot believe you need to make a post about this, PATHETIC. Maybe you should go cheer for the Saints and Shockey.

Ruttiger711
11-22-2010, 07:18 AM
Eli supporter checking in. Whats funny are you people who surface and gloat in bad times....as though you can claim some sort of victory.</P>


</P>


That being said - the fumble was bad on Eli on so many levels. DUMB DUMB DUMB to repeat history like that. Same can almost be said about the Samuel pick.</P>


</P>


3 very winnable games, beat Philthy at home and we'll be 10-4. </P>

dan1552
11-22-2010, 07:27 AM
I know ELI , and for that matter peyton are not the most athletic players in the league. But they arent running backs. They are traditional pocket, pick apart defense, pocket passers.They are the historical ,Traditional real deal QB. and I love that quality. Now Eli needs to be little more cerebral like his brother to better fill that type position, but thats what I personally love about these guys.
Good JOB ARCHIE. OH and running quarterbacks erk me!!

Redeyejedi
11-22-2010, 07:33 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror


That's old news. Losing is one things, giving games away like tonight and the Titans are something else. I don't think it's hard to learn how to S L I D E, do you?
I think Eli was just so shocked he ran for a first down on 4th and 6th he had a seizure and lost the ball

Carnage929
11-22-2010, 07:33 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? Eli is much classier person than Vick. If anything, our D made Vick look like the Vick of Atlanta.</P>


Very true our D played well enough for us to win this game. Turnovers killed us once again.</P>

Carnage929
11-22-2010, 07:36 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror


That's old news. Losing is one things, giving games away like tonight and the Titans are something else. I don't think it's hard to learn how to S L I D E, do you?


How about you tell Phil Simms that one SB MVP is old news... Eli = Greatest Giant QB of the Modern Era by 4... 6 straight 20 TD seasons, and no matter the outcome tonight, we are getting a wildcard at least
</P>


Pretty brash statement. What makes you think we are getting a wildcard at the least? A WC might not even come out of the NFC East. There are 6 teams ahead of the Giants right now for playoff spots.</P>

lttaylor56
11-22-2010, 07:38 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror


That's old news. Losing is one things, giving games away like tonight and the Titans are something else. I don't think it's hard to learn how to S L I D E, do you?


When Eli is spot on, there is no one better. When Eli tanks , he freaking tanks. It is extreme contrasts to his play good or bad. There were alot of mistakes last night. JPP giving them life and then Eli sealed our fate.

NEJINTFAN
11-22-2010, 07:40 AM
I'll stand up for Eli because he's our QB, but he makes some horrible decisions in the game. That 1st pick was horrendous, after six years in the NFL he still at times looks like a green rookie. For all the good he's done for our G-men, he's done just as bad. How do you not slide? The only reason to dive is to get the first down, Eli was 10 yards past the marker, where the hell was his head? The entire offensive unit, Gilbride included, has to tighten it up if they're going to have any chance of post season play.

giantyankee1976
11-22-2010, 08:09 AM
I'll stand up for Eli because he's our QB, but he makes some horrible decisions in the game. That 1st pick was horrendous, after six years in the NFL he still at times looks like a green rookie. For all the good he's done for our G-men, he's done just as bad. How do you not slide? The only reason to dive is to get the first down, Eli was 10 yards past the marker, where the hell was his head? The entire offensive unit, Gilbride included, has to tighten it up if they're going to have any chance of post season play.

the characteristic that underlines this team on all 3 phases?

INCONSISTENCY

one minute: lights out

the next: turnover or give up the big play

somehow the coaches have to get the theory of playing steady and consistent across.

turnovers...all season....kill drives
mental lapses in coverages, poor execution.

if not for dropped TD passes we would have been blown out by the 3rd Qt, no question

jphelps1511
11-22-2010, 08:13 AM
Once again we go on the Chokelin second half slide and will finish 8-8. How do you fumble the football when you're a QB is used to holding the ball every play and no one even touches you? I was just about to say he'll fumble when I seen him running. He's the new Jeff George with supposdely million dollar arm, and a 2 cent brain.

jphelps1511
11-22-2010, 08:13 AM
"We are who we thought we are"!

TuckYou
11-22-2010, 08:13 AM
You're a Giants fan and you dont supprt the most important player? Sounds good.</P>


Eli still has it in him, but man, he is a goofy *******. He has to be half rehtard. </P>


With that said, he is better then a lot of other QBs and can still take this team to another Superbowl. </P>


Are you a Bradshaw supporter? Because he looks like a rehtard out there right now too.</P>

BigBlue1971
11-22-2010, 08:15 AM
i love Eli, but sometimes he makes dumb mistakes.</P>


when hes in a "funk", hes really in it.</P>


those picks and the fumble cost us at least 13 points in the game.</P>


i thought he would become smarter after being in the league for 7+ years.</P>

yo-ho
11-22-2010, 08:25 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror


When is that guy going to come out of hiding?

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 08:42 AM
Eli did NOT protect the ball last night. And its not like he made up for some of it with a lot of production.</P>


I've been saying for the past month that we will go as far as Eli's ability to protect the ball. And I got killed here for it. He obviously gets a pass on the last pick but the other turnovers were horrific. real rookie stuff.</P>


he needs to do a lot better in that respect. As far as that part of his game is concerned, he has regressed.</P>

Markroman
11-22-2010, 09:39 AM
Eli tried to make a play. Lets be honest no one else was making plays for him on the field.

Hagan looked lost at times. Manningham bailed out on two blocks. Nicks seemed lost. Boss and Beckum were struggling blocking. Bradshaw had an awful game. Basically, no body was taking charge.

Eli made a good play and was diving to get extra yards. Hard turf, it happens. You really expected the Giants to score with the personnel they had. The Egals won the game on the 4th down.

bigblue58
11-22-2010, 10:02 AM
I was going to defend Eli, because believe it or not, I think that a great case can me made for it.....but you people already have your minds made up about him anyway, so I'm not going to waste my energy typing words that will end up going in one ear and out the other! Markroman said it better than I could anyway.

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 10:07 AM
I was going to defend Eli, because believe it or not, I think that a great case can me made for it.....but you people already have your minds made up about him anyway, so I'm not going to waste my energy typing words that will go in one ear and out the other anyway.
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He didn't protect the football, once again. You can defend Eli if you like, but I'm sure Eli would disagree with you.</P>


If its your've view that 4 turnovers are acceptable and defendable, I would actually love to hear it from you.</P>


And lets look at those turnovers. The first was a horrible decision when Samual jumped the route. The second was a pass thrown into tight <U>double coverage</U> to a guy who was on a couch 6 days ago. The third was a fumble when no one touched him. He gets a pass on the fourth.</P>


These are in my view objective facts. I would love to hear your rebuttle.</P>

gjack118
11-22-2010, 10:14 AM
Once again we go on the Chokelin second half slide and will finish 8-8. How do you fumble the football when you're a QB is used to holding the ball every play and no one even touches you? <font size="3">I was just about to say he'll fumble when I seen him running.</font> He's the new Jeff George with supposdely million dollar arm, and a 2 cent brain.

<font size="3">I said the same thing. This goofball just looks goofy on the sidelines and a soft sissy.</font>

<font size="4">He is a " Can't -Get-Rite QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</font>

walkthesky
11-22-2010, 10:30 AM
Eli fans hiding? I bet the second a good qb like Eli has a bad game most fans are supportive. As a former ny resident I can really see how brutal u guys r! The second something goes wrong, "throw coughing out" blah blah. Ask the mets how that went?

I think everyone agrees defense was great. However the secondary is obviously still exposed. O line is protecting Eli but not creating holes for the run for the last 3 games. I will say I have no idea why we tried to run so much after Philly showed
how well they stopped the run. Overall the Philly defense played. Except last night, we are producing a ton of offense so I'm not to worried. I figured we'd split series with Philly, just hoping we can come thru on second game.

Plenty of games left...

winbiginD
11-22-2010, 10:36 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


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I have watched that fumble of his a few times now and i still cant believe it. Where is his field awareness, he needs the fist. He has to know where the first down marker is, get the first and slide. That was the most boneheaded and ugliest play i think i have seen the entire year from any QB. Absolutely horrible game by Eli, there is no excuse that can be made</P>

Sugar Bear
11-22-2010, 10:37 AM
ELI NEEDS TO LEARN HOW TO SLIDE..Yes agree, it seems every time he falls head first he can't hold on to the ball. He did this last year against Philly also. This one is on Eli. Shame too I think they would have scored on that drive. And I still want Eli as my QB.

threexchamps
11-22-2010, 10:42 AM
Let me ask you a question. Who would you like as our QB?? Let me get this straight. You think Eli is a lousy QB? Ok- well let's see here. He is an MVP of a super bowl. He has taken the team to the playoffs almost every year. This season - hmmm. He is completing almost 66 percent of his passes, he has thrown 21 touchdown passes with 6 games to go and half of his interceptions were deflected passes that should have ben caught - oh and 1 bad route last week. Tell me exactly who we should have behind center. You are an idiot.

Sugar Bear
11-22-2010, 10:43 AM
Eli fans hiding? I bet the second a good qb like Eli has a bad game most fans are supportive. As a former ny resident I can really see how brutal u guys r! The second something goes wrong, "throw coughing out" blah blah. Ask the mets how that went?

I think everyone agrees defense was great. However the secondary is obviously still exposed. O line is protecting Eli but not creating holes for the run for the last 3 games. I will say I have no idea why we tried to run so much after Philly showed
how well they stopped the run. Overall the Philly defense played. Except last night, we are producing a ton of offense so I'm not to worried. I figured we'd split series with Philly, just hoping we can come thru on second game.

Plenty of games left...Nice post. The best QB in footbal had 3int yesterday and lost the game at the end with one of those int. I don't here Colt fans saying draft another QB, Peyton sucks or anything like that. Eli made a horrendous play at the end cause he cant seem to fall on his own and hold on to the ball. Bad play yes, he still will rebound and win us a lot more games this season I firmly believe. But your right we need to get DDiehl back and fast. Booth is definitely not producing well. The run game can't get going. And Bradshaw continues to fumble.

The heading on this thread is totally ridiculous.

jphelps1511
11-22-2010, 10:44 AM
Use two hands. He looked like a rag doll going down and it's not the first time he's done this to us. The Giants have fumbleitis and no catching skilles this year. They need to dip their hands into sticky stuff like on "The Replacements"

NWKEffectElement
11-22-2010, 10:58 AM
Eli tried to make a play. Lets be honest no one else was making plays for him on the field.

Hagan looked lost at times. Manningham bailed out on two blocks. Nicks seemed lost. Boss and Beckum were struggling blocking. Bradshaw had an awful game. Basically, no body was taking charge.

Eli made a good play and was diving to get extra yards. Hard turf, it happens. You really expected the Giants to score with the personnel they had. The Egals won the game on the 4th down.

Same pathetic argument. We complained about his personnel since his rookie year. Do you honestly listen to yourselves? I mean its amazing. You blamed Nicks, Hagan, Manningham, Boss, Beckum, and Bradshaw all in one shot. Then you blame the 'hard turf'!! LMFAO. Let me tell you something, it just doesn't happen. He did the same idiotic think last year. We have changed his entire cast of weapons and same ol excuses.

We have to get some competition to push him or start grooming a drafted QB. He is regressing and there is zero upside left.

NWKEffectElement
11-22-2010, 11:03 AM
Let me ask you a question.* Who would you like as our QB?? Let me get this straight. You think Eli is a lousy QB? Ok- well let's see here. He is an MVP of a super bowl.* He has taken the team to the playoffs almost every year. This season - hmmm. He is completing almost 66 percent of his passes, he has thrown 21 touchdown passes with 6 games to go and half of his interceptions were deflected passes that should have ben caught - oh and 1 bad route last week. Tell me exactly who we should have behind center. You are an idiot.*

No Eli is not lousy. He has the tools to be very good, doesn't have the smarts to get over the hump.

Ruttiger711
11-22-2010, 11:07 AM
Eli tried to make a play. Lets be honest no one else was making plays for him on the field.

Hagan looked lost at times. Manningham bailed out on two blocks. Nicks seemed lost. Boss and Beckum were struggling blocking. Bradshaw had an awful game. Basically, no body was taking charge.

Eli made a good play and was diving to get extra yards. Hard turf, it happens. You really expected the Giants to score with the personnel they had. The Egals won the game on the 4th down.

Same pathetic argument. We complained about his personnel since his rookie year. Do you honestly listen to yourselves? I mean its amazing. You blamed Nicks, Hagan, Manningham, Boss, Beckum, and Bradshaw all in one shot. Then you blame the 'hard turf'!! LMFAO. Let me tell you something, it just doesn't happen. He did the same idiotic think last year. We have changed his entire cast of weapons and same ol excuses.

We have to get some competition to push him or start grooming a drafted QB. He is regressing and there is zero upside left.

This game was a clear example of regressing. However - he'll bounce back.

threexchamps
11-22-2010, 11:58 AM
I don't see how you can say he does not have the smarts to get over the hump. Was he not the MVP of SB 42?

RoanokeFan
11-22-2010, 12:07 PM
Eli did NOT protect the ball last night. And its not like he made up for some of it with a lot of production.</p>


I've been saying for the past month that we will go as far as Eli's ability to protect the ball. And I got killed here for it. He obviously gets a pass on the last pick but the other turnovers were horrific. real rookie stuff.</p>


he needs to do a lot better in that respect. As far as that part of his game is concerned, he has regressed.</p>

I support Eli and every other player who wears OUR uniform. But there comes a time when you just can't shine a sneaker any more. Our wagon is hitched to Eli and when he plays they way he has of late, we need to brace ourselves. No, I am not blaming Eli for losing games but he is the Captain of the ship and we're starting to take on water.

When we were 1 - 2, there was a lot of talk about leaders on this team. The defense now has leaders everywhere you look. The offense, not so much.

Eli fumbling that ball is not about the actual fumble but his thought process. "I'm going to run as far as I can and I'm going to hit the ground before some lard *** knocks me down". Where in that process was "I had better put both hands around the ball as I decide to take the dive? Don't even get me going on LEGS FIRST.

Eli is a veteran QB with veterans all around him except for Boothe. Yesterday, the OLine did it's job. As for the receivers, WHEW!

RoanokeFan
11-22-2010, 12:08 PM
I don't see how you can say he does not have the smarts to get over the hump. Was he not the MVP of SB 42?

STOP! This is 2010 and this is the NFL. You don't get a pass on stupidity because you have a ring.

Ruttiger711
11-22-2010, 12:11 PM
Eli did NOT protect the ball last night.* And its not like he made up for some of it with a lot of production.</p>


I've been saying for the past month that we will go as far as Eli's ability to protect the ball.* And I got killed here for it.* He obviously gets a pass on the last pick but the other turnovers were horrific.* real rookie stuff.</p>


he needs to do a lot better in that respect.* As far as that part of his game is concerned, he has regressed.</p>

I support Eli and every other player who wears OUR uniform.* But there comes a time when you just can't shine a sneaker any more.* Our wagon is hitched to Eli and when he plays they way he has of late, we need to brace ourselves.* No, I am not blaming Eli for losing games but he is the Captain of the ship and we're starting to take on water.

When we were 1 - 2, there was a lot of talk about leaders on this team.* The defense now has leaders everywhere you look.* The offense, not so much.*

Eli fumbling that ball is not about the actual fumble but his thought process.* "I'm going to run as far as I can and I'm going to hit the ground before some lard *** knocks me down".* Where in that process was "I had better put both hands around the ball as I decide to take the dive?* Don't even get me going on LEGS FIRST.

Eli is a veteran QB with veterans all around him except for Boothe.* Yesterday, the OLine did it's job.* As for the receivers, WHEW!


I'd go as far as saying the fumble was about the fumble as well - because he went through the EXACT same thing last year.

This game had so many deja vu moments of last year it was disheartning. You can only hope to learn from games like that last year and we took nothing away from them.

Oline was "ok" at best in the begining of the game, then they settled in.

sharick88
11-22-2010, 12:12 PM
I don't see how you can say he does not have the smarts to get over the hump. Was he not the MVP of SB 42?</P>


This is the problem. That was like 3 years ago. It was awesome, but it is pretty irrelevant to what we are trying to do right now. What have they done for us lately? Right now, he has 20+ turnovers in 10 games. He could have 40 turnovers in one season by the time this season is over if he keeps up at that pace. With our turnover margin being where it is, It is a MIRACLE that we sit here at 6-4. Would be 9-1 if it weren't for turnovers at this rate.</P>

threexchamps
11-22-2010, 12:15 PM
So I guess Peyton is also stupid for his bad pick yesterday? Drew Brees must be stupid too when he threw 4 picks earlier in the season? By the way - I was responding to a poster who said Eli can't get us over the hump. The hump to me would mean the SB which he already has won. That was my point. </P>


But your quote is point on - "never argue with an idiot..." so I will stop resoponding to your post.</P>

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 12:17 PM
I don't see how you can say he does not have the smarts to get over the hump. Was he not the MVP of SB 42?</P>


This is the problem. That was like 3 years ago. It was awesome, but it is pretty irrelevant to what we are trying to do right now. What have they done for us lately? Right now, he has 20+ turnovers in 10 games. He could have 40 turnovers in one season by the time this season is over if he keeps up at that pace. With our turnover margin being where it is, It is a MIRACLE that we sit here at 6-4. Would be 9-1 if it weren't for turnovers at this rate.</P>


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As I said before, the run in 07 for Eli was about one thing and one thing only. Protecting the ball.</P>


His prductivity in yards and TD's were right in line with his career averages. It was the fact that he protected the football. 1 turnover in 4 games.</P>


No one who knows anything about the game can say that his play this season in any way resembles his play then.</P>


It does however resemble his play in all his other playoff games.</P>

yo-ho
11-22-2010, 12:18 PM
I don't see how you can say he does not have the smarts to get over the hump. Was he not the MVP of SB 42?

STOP! This is 2010 and this is the NFL. You don't get a pass on stupidity because you have a ring.


Eli had a great superbowl run, but if you take that away he has been tossed out of the playoffs in the first game every other year, and the game against Philly the last time McNabb made him look like a rookie.

He throws way too many INTs, he consistently throws high (probably why Burress was a favorite target).
And, he can not put this team on his shoulders and win games when he has to. Can't throw a spiral, etc.
And the biggest thing that pisses me off, is that he doesn't get his game rolling until the second half of games.

Thanks for the superbowl, but we haven't seen that guy in a long while.

threexchamps
11-22-2010, 12:19 PM
I understand that it was three years ago but that post was about getting us over the hump. I was simply saying that he has done that already - obviously I would like him to do it again.</P>


By the way - if you look at every one of his interceptions about half of them were not on him. Alot of tipped passes that should have been caught. Last week - a stopped route by Nicks. You can't make it seem as if the turnovers are all his fault. There are alot of teams that would love to have this guy. </P>

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 12:21 PM
So I guess Peyton is also stupid for his bad pick yesterday? Drew Brees must be stupid too when he threw 4 picks earlier in the season? By the way - I was responding to a poster who said Eli can't get us over the hump. The hump to me would mean the SB which he already has won. That was my point. </P>


But your quote is point on - "never argue with an idiot..." so I will stop resoponding to your post.</P>


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Its silly to argue that Eli is "stupid" That is clearly not the case. HOWEVER, he make unexplainable decisions in the heat of a moment on a football field. It is part of his game. Yes all QB's (including great ones) will make an occasional bad decision. A bad read, a mixup in communication etc....</P>


But Eli is doing it at an alarming rate. Its not stupidity, its bad decsion making when decisions must be made in an instant. If he had time to contemplate, he clearly would not so some of these things.</P>


The game it seems has not slowed down for him like it does with some other, and better QB's.</P>

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 12:23 PM
I understand that it was three years ago but that post was about getting us over the hump. I was simply saying that he has done that already - obviously I would like him to do it again.</P>


By the way - if you look at every one of his interceptions about half of them were not on him. Alot of tipped passes that should have been caught. Last week - a stopped route by Nicks. You can't make it seem as if the turnovers are all his fault. There are alot of teams that would love to have this guy. </P>


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Stop with the "Its never Eli's fault" crap.</P>


Its boring.</P>

TruBloo
11-22-2010, 12:26 PM
Since everyone seems so down on Eli, should the team maybe try to get Vick in FA?

RoanokeFan
11-22-2010, 12:28 PM
So I guess Peyton is also stupid for his bad pick yesterday? Drew Brees must be stupid too when he threw 4 picks earlier in the season? By the way - I was responding to a poster who said Eli can't get us over the hump. The hump to me would mean the SB which he already has won. That was my point. </p>


But your quote is point on - "never argue with an idiot..." so I will stop resoponding to your post.</p>


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Its silly to argue that Eli is "stupid" That is clearly not the case. HOWEVER, he make unexplainable decisions in the heat of a moment on a football field. It is part of his game. Yes all QB's (including great ones) will make an occasional bad decision. A bad read, a mixup in communication etc....</p>


But Eli is doing it at an alarming rate. Its not stupidity, its bad decsion making when decisions must be made in an instant. If he had time to contemplate, he clearly would not so some of these things.</p>


The game it seems has not slowed down for him like it does with some other, and better QB's.</p>

I didn't mean to imply Eli WAS "stupid". He's not, and that makes these mistakes all the more hard to understand. But we can't keep harking back to 2007 as though we are simply going to magically get to that place again. It takes hard work, all the time by everyone on the team. Eli has his name attached to 17 turnovers in 10 games. UNACCEPTABLE. We can debate who's fault they were but, again, he's the lead dog on the sled team and he has got to play better and get his receivers to play better.

I have said, and will continue to say, we can win every game on the schedule of we stop the mistakes.

RoanokeFan
11-22-2010, 12:29 PM
Since everyone seems so down on Eli, should the team maybe try to get Vick in FA?

You mean Kolb? Reid will want to keep Vick if his play continues at this level.

NWKEffectElement
11-22-2010, 12:29 PM
So I guess Peyton is also stupid for his bad pick yesterday? Drew Brees must be stupid too when he threw 4 picks earlier in the season? By the way - I was responding to a poster who said Eli can't get us over the hump.* The hump to me would mean the SB which he already has won. That was my point. </P>


But your quote is point on - "never argue with an idiot..." so I will stop resoponding to your post.</P>

Stop twisting my words to help your ridiculously idiotic argument. I said he would be a very QB if he had the smarts. I never said we couldn't get over the hump with him. All he had to do during the SB42 run was not turn the ball over and he didn't. He didn't play lights out except for the Green Bay game.

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 12:30 PM
So I guess Peyton is also stupid for his bad pick yesterday? Drew Brees must be stupid too when he threw 4 picks earlier in the season? By the way - I was responding to a poster who said Eli can't get us over the hump. The hump to me would mean the SB which he already has won. That was my point. </P>


But your quote is point on - "never argue with an idiot..." so I will stop resoponding to your post.</P>


</P>


Its silly to argue that Eli is "stupid" That is clearly not the case. HOWEVER, he make unexplainable decisions in the heat of a moment on a football field. It is part of his game. Yes all QB's (including great ones) will make an occasional bad decision. A bad read, a mixup in communication etc....</P>


But Eli is doing it at an alarming rate. Its not stupidity, its bad decsion making when decisions must be made in an instant. If he had time to contemplate, he clearly would not so some of these things.</P>


The game it seems has not slowed down for him like it does with some other, and better QB's.</P>




I didn't mean to imply Eli WAS "stupid". He's not, and that makes these mistakes all the more hard to understand. But we can't keep harking back to 2007 as though we are simply going to magically get to that place again. It takes hard work, all the time by everyone on the team. Eli has his name attached to 17 turnovers in 10 games. UNACCEPTABLE. We can debate who's fault they were but, again, he's the lead dog on the sled team and he has got to play better and get his receivers to play better.

I have said, and will continue to say, we can win every game on the schedule of we stop the mistakes.
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Its 21 turnovers but who is counting?........Oh yeah, me.</P>


I would say that we will win most games if we protect the ball better.</P>

threexchamps
11-22-2010, 12:32 PM
Oh - I'm sorry - did I say its never Eli's fault? My mistake - I actually thought I said it is not "all of his fault" - maybe you should take the time to read before you open your mouth.

TruBloo
11-22-2010, 12:36 PM
Since everyone seems so down on Eli, should the team maybe try to get Vick in FA?

You mean Kolb?* Reid will want to keep Vick if his play continues at this level.


We all know how cheap the Eagles organization is. We might be able to outbid them.

sharick88
11-22-2010, 12:40 PM
I don't see how you can say he does not have the smarts to get over the hump. Was he not the MVP of SB 42?</P>


This is the problem. That was like 3 years ago. It was awesome, but it is pretty irrelevant to what we are trying to do right now. What have they done for us lately? Right now, he has 20+ turnovers in 10 games. He could have 40 turnovers in one season by the time this season is over if he keeps up at that pace. With our turnover margin being where it is, It is a MIRACLE that we sit here at 6-4. Would be 9-1 if it weren't for turnovers at this rate.</P>


</P>


As I said before, the run in 07 for Eli was about one thing and one thing only. Protecting the ball.</P>


His prductivity in yards and TD's were right in line with his career averages. It was the fact that he protected the football. 1 turnover in 4 games.</P>


No one who knows anything about the game can say that his play this season in any way resembles his play then.</P>


It does however resemble his play in all his other playoff games.</P>


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When he protects the ball, we usually win easily. When he doesn't, we either lose or win by a close margin. His irresponsibility with the ball makes our defense look even better for the most part. Teams are generally starting at least on the 35 yard line every drive because of turovers and poor special teams play.</P>

threexchamps
11-22-2010, 12:42 PM
NWKEffect - What is my idiotic arguement?I have been listening to the Eli bashing for years now. I also listened to the Simms bashing when he was our QB and I always told people that we would be missing him when he was gone. I find it funny that I am arguing with so called Giants fans about our players. Oh and by the way, you seriously show him alot of disrespect when you say he only played well in the Packers game. His "lights out" play started the last game of the season against the Pats and continued through the Super Bowl. You give him props for only 1 game? Are you for real?</P>

Tommy_Ribs
11-22-2010, 12:45 PM
Eli was terrible last night.

He is turning the ball over at an alarming rate.

But he is our QB, and I for one am sticking by him. He has helped lead this team to a lot of victories.

He does have to turn it around and stop makinging these terrible mistakes though.

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 12:48 PM
Oh - I'm sorry - did I say its never Eli's fault? My mistake - I actually thought I said it is not "all of his fault" - maybe you should take the time to read before you open your mouth.</P>


First of all, many of those "tipped" passes were poorly thrown and those high short balls are often tipped. Thats football. The pick in the end zone seemed to be on Nicks but we really don't know what the communication was. If you are going to suggest that the pick Eli threw into double coverage to Hagen was not Eli's fault that would be naive at best and crazy at worst.</P>


He also threw several passes into coverage where his WR's bailed him out by either making great catches or knocking the ball away.</P>


Could the wr's have bailed Eli out on a few of those picks? Yes. But they would have been for the most part great plays. </P>


But the general theme around here is that Eli is the constant victim of poor play from his surrounding cast. And I completely disagree. We have some of the best playmakers here at WR who have enhanced Eli #'s tremendously. Check Nicks' yards after catch. The kid is great.</P>


Eli is responsible for his play. We all watch the games and can argue forever about each turnover or each play for God's sake. But there are SO MANY TURNOVERS. 21 in 10 games.</P>


He MUST protect the ball better or we will have similar results as last night. Put your head in the sand if you like.</P>

CantBlameShockeyNow
11-22-2010, 12:50 PM
I understand that it was three years ago but that post was about getting us over the hump. I was simply saying that he has done that already - obviously I would like him to do it again.</P>


By the way - if you look at every one of his interceptions about half of them were not on him. Alot of tipped passes that should have been caught. Last week - a stopped route by Nicks. You can't make it seem as if the turnovers are all his fault. </P>


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That is part of being a QB. </P>


The Ints are his.</P>


Just like when a QB throws a 5 yard pass and the receiver runs 75 yards for the TD. </P>


The QB gets credit for the TD.</P>

bansaw
11-22-2010, 12:53 PM
was going to ask if that loser with the ***gy 80s straw hat and mullet was in this thread yet..sure enough

lmao

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 12:54 PM
was going to ask if that loser with the ***gy 80s straw hat and mullet was in this thread yet..sure enough

lmao
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People who used to be in "The Village People" are allowed to post too ya know.</P>

bansaw
11-22-2010, 12:56 PM
was going to ask if that loser with the ***gy 80s straw hat and mullet was in this thread yet..sure enough

lmao
</p>


People who used to be in "The Village People" are allowed to post too ya know.</p>my bad

threexchamps
11-22-2010, 12:56 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 01:06 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team. </P>


I like Eli too and I also think he's a top 10 QB. But a lot of posters here over the past month or so have been on this "its not Eli's fault" stuff. This season he has been very careless with the ball. Thats not the WR's fault. He makes his decisions and many of his decisions this season have been unexplainable.</P>


I'm not trying to come down on you but I have been hearing this blaming of everyone else and its getting old. I see a QB who seemed to have learned how to protect the football over the past 2 years and I now see the old Eli. The "pre SB run" Eli showing his head and like all fansI', very frustrated.</P>


If my comments seemed overly sarcasticor personal, I apologize.</P>

sharick88
11-22-2010, 01:10 PM
Eli was terrible last night. He is turning the ball over at an alarming rate. But he is our QB, and I for one am sticking by him. He has helped lead this team to a lot of victories. He does have to turn it around and stop makinging these terrible mistakes though.</P>


I think the majority of us are sticking with him. I am. But we've been saying this "he needs to stop making terrible mistakes" stuff for years now. I'm just gonna accept him for what he is. He a decent QB that is extremely mistake prone.</P>

sharick88
11-22-2010, 01:12 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team. </P>


I like Eli too and I also think he's a top 10 QB. But a lot of posters here over the past month or so have been on this "its not Eli's fault" stuff. This season he has been very careless with the ball. Thats not the WR's fault. He makes his decisions and many of his decisions this season have been unexplainable.</P>


I'm not trying to come down on you but I have been hearing this blaming of everyone else and its getting old. I see a QB who seemed to have learned how to protect the football over the past 2 years and I now see the old Eli. The "pre SB run" Eli showing his head and like all fansI', very frustrated.</P>


If my comments seemed overly sarcasticor personal, I apologize.</P>


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I think you're right on the money with your assessment of Manning. You love and and hate him in the same game just about every game.</P>

bansaw
11-22-2010, 01:13 PM
Eli was terrible last night. He is turning the ball over at an alarming rate. But he is our QB, and I for one am sticking by him. He has helped lead this team to a lot of victories. He does have to turn it around and stop makinging these terrible mistakes though.</p>


I think the majority of us are sticking with him. I am. But we've been saying this "he needs to stop making terrible mistakes" stuff for years now. I'm just gonna accept him for what he is. He a decent QB that is extremely mistake prone.</p>I'll post on behalf of Harooni


Stupid little hands Eli

RoanokeFan
11-22-2010, 01:47 PM
Eli was terrible last night. He is turning the ball over at an alarming rate. But he is our QB, and I for one am sticking by him. He has helped lead this team to a lot of victories. He does have to turn it around and stop makinging these terrible mistakes though.</p>


I think the majority of us are sticking with him. I am. But we've been saying this "he needs to stop making terrible mistakes" stuff for years now. I'm just gonna accept him for what he is. He a decent QB that is extremely mistake prone.</p>I'll post on behalf of Harooni


Stupid little hands Eli

LOL

sharick88
11-22-2010, 02:51 PM
Eli was terrible last night. He is turning the ball over at an alarming rate. But he is our QB, and I for one am sticking by him. He has helped lead this team to a lot of victories. He does have to turn it around and stop makinging these terrible mistakes though.</P>


I think the majority of us are sticking with him. I am. But we've been saying this "he needs to stop making terrible mistakes" stuff for years now. I'm just gonna accept him for what he is. He a decent QB that is extremely mistake prone.</P>


I'll post on behalf of Harooni


Stupid little hands Eli
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Harooni hated Eli from the jump. lol. </P>

ny06
11-22-2010, 02:52 PM
I support Eli 100%</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-22-2010, 02:53 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol

MattMeyerBud
11-22-2010, 02:56 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 03:05 PM
Eli was terrible last night. He is turning the ball over at an alarming rate. But he is our QB, and I for one am sticking by him. He has helped lead this team to a lot of victories. He does have to turn it around and stop makinging these terrible mistakes though.</p>


I think the majority of us are sticking with him. I am. But we've been saying this "he needs to stop making terrible mistakes" stuff for years now. I'm just gonna accept him for what he is. He a decent QB that is extremely mistake prone.</p>I'll post on behalf of Harooni


Stupid little hands Eli


lmfao!

shocknaweny
11-22-2010, 03:09 PM
That slide was horrendous ... but he is still a Great QB !

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 03:11 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</P>


They don't know that you call me Pappy. Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</P>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. But you get my drift.</P>

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 03:12 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol


coolie, lol!


theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 03:14 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though.* Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion).* Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throws*but I also see some great passes.*I was pissed about last night's fumble but*I was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team. *

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</P>


They don't know that you call me Pappy.* Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</P>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. * But you get my drift.</P>

i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 03:15 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
coolie, lol! theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.</P>


When "his best season thus far" is one in which heleads the NFL in turnovers, I would say there is a problem.</P>


Wouldn't you?</P>

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 03:18 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</P>


They don't know that you call me Pappy. Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</P>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. But you get my drift.</P>


i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead</P>


I'm the second from the right in the Tuck jersey.</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/thethreadfam3final.jpg</P>

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 03:22 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
coolie, lol! theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.</P>


When "his best season thus far" is one in which he*leads the NFL in turnovers, I would say there is a problem.**</P>


Wouldn't you?</P>

eli deserves blame. sure....but lets not forget how many tipped passes turned into INT's.

Hes more accurate that he has ever been but is still forcing throws he shoudnt make.

But yes, I see a much more calm, confident, collective, under control Eli manning than I have in the past.....

MattMeyerBud
11-22-2010, 03:22 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
coolie, lol! theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.</p>


When "his best season thus far" is one in which heleads the NFL in turnovers, I would say there is a problem.</p>


Wouldn't you?</p>

only to those stat riding...


if u watched the games u'd know that there was more to it. Unfortunately yesterday they were all on him.... but honestly balls popping off WRs hands is annoying.

But its fine, cuz when TO was at the ttop of his game, he lead the league in drops, in Brett Farves best year which was in 1998, he lead the league in turnovers...

Personally, i think he'll be fine. Im more worried about Bradshaw

MattMeyerBud
11-22-2010, 03:23 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</p>


They don't know that you call me Pappy. Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</p>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. But you get my drift.</p>


i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead</p>


I'm the second from the right in the Tuck jersey.</p>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/thethreadfam3final.jpg</p>

coughJERSEYTUCKEDINcough

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 03:26 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though.* Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion).* Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throws*but I also see some great passes.*I was pissed about last night's fumble but*I was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team. *

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</P>


They don't know that you call me Pappy.* Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</P>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. * But you get my drift.</P>


i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead</P>


I'm the second from the right in the Tuck jersey.</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/thethreadfam3final.jpg</P>

oh cmon man u aint that old...ha. the dude wearing the strahan jersey in the middle looks like he should be wearing pads getting ready for gametime. dude is huge.

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 03:26 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
coolie, lol! theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.</P>


When "his best season thus far" is one in which heleads the NFL in turnovers, I would say there is a problem.</P>


Wouldn't you?</P>




only to those stat riding...


if u watched the games u'd know that there was more to it. Unfortunately yesterday they were all on him.... but honestly balls popping off WRs hands is annoying.

But its fine, cuz when TO was at the ttop of his game, he lead the league in drops, in Brett Farves best year which was in 1998, he lead the league in turnovers...

Personally, i think he'll be fine. Im more worried about Bradshaw
</P>


I hope he'll be fine because he hasn't been fine all year. Maybe this will put the fear of God into him and lead him to protect the ball more.</P>


And Bradshaw has always put the ball on the ground.</P>

chasjay
11-22-2010, 03:26 PM
I'm an Eli supporter and I'm not hiding. I saw him fail last night. I saw him fail to put the team on his back and carry it to a win. I didn't see him lose the game. Anyway, for Xmas, I'm sending E. a new training aid, a workout device he's needed for a while now

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Morehead State
11-22-2010, 03:29 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</P>


They don't know that you call me Pappy. Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</P>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. But you get my drift.</P>


i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead</P>


I'm the second from the right in the Tuck jersey.</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/thethreadfam3final.jpg</P>


oh cmon man u aint that old...ha. the dude wearing the strahan jersey in the middle looks like he should be wearing pads getting ready for gametime. dude is huge.</P>


</P>


From left to right:</P>


Kase, Lando (BB4417), Byron, Pizz, Blondie, Good Ol' Morehead, Matt's head, and Daven (scrappy Doo)</P>


I'd point out Dezz in this photo but he was at home in the fetal position when it was taken.</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-22-2010, 03:36 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</p>


They don't know that you call me Pappy. Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</p>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. But you get my drift.</p>


i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead</p>


I'm the second from the right in the Tuck jersey.</p>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/thethreadfam3final.jpg</p>


oh cmon man u aint that old...ha. the dude wearing the strahan jersey in the middle looks like he should be wearing pads getting ready for gametime. dude is huge.</p>


</p>


From left to right:</p>


Kase, Lando (BB4417), Byron, Pizz, Blondie, Good Ol' Morehead, Matt's head, and Daven (scrappy Doo)</p>


I'd point out Dezz in this photo but he was at home in the fetal position when it was taken.</p>

he was on his knees behind u, TCOB

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 03:38 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</P>


They don't know that you call me Pappy. Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</P>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. But you get my drift.</P>


i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead</P>


I'm the second from the right in the Tuck jersey.</P>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/thethreadfam3final.jpg</P>


oh cmon man u aint that old...ha. the dude wearing the strahan jersey in the middle looks like he should be wearing pads getting ready for gametime. dude is huge.</P>


</P>


From left to right:</P>


Kase, Lando (BB4417), Byron, Pizz, Blondie, Good Ol' Morehead, Matt's head, and Daven (scrappy Doo)</P>


I'd point out Dezz in this photo but he was at home in the fetal position when it was taken.</P>




he was on his knees behind u, TCOB
</P>


As I remember you spent much of that weekend on your knees.</P>


And what the hell is TCOB?</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-22-2010, 03:39 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</p>


They don't know that you call me Pappy. Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</p>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. But you get my drift.</p>


i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead</p>


I'm the second from the right in the Tuck jersey.</p>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/thethreadfam3final.jpg</p>


oh cmon man u aint that old...ha. the dude wearing the strahan jersey in the middle looks like he should be wearing pads getting ready for gametime. dude is huge.</p>


</p>


From left to right:</p>


Kase, Lando (BB4417), Byron, Pizz, Blondie, Good Ol' Morehead, Matt's head, and Daven (scrappy Doo)</p>


I'd point out Dezz in this photo but he was at home in the fetal position when it was taken.</p>




he was on his knees behind u, TCOB
</p>


As I remember you spent much of that weekend on your knees.</p>


And what the hell is TCOB?</p>

takin care of business

Delicreep
11-22-2010, 03:39 PM
He also threw several passes into coverage where his WR's bailed him out by either making great catches or knocking the ball away.</p>

<font color="#0000ff">He MUST protect the ball better or we will have similar results as last night. Put your head in the sand if you like.</font></p>

I never get the first one: are you inferring that Eli is the only QB in the league that has WR make great plays or bail him out? Are you inferring that Eli's WR's bail him out at a higher rate that other QB's get bailed out?

Your smart, a good poster and well reasoned--I don't think you believe either, but when we get on Eli's case, rightfully or not, we tend to throw out every trick in the book without a lot of consideration to it's merits.

That argument has no merit at all, or is at the very least, patently unfair.

The blue sentence is flat out perfect and descriptive of all too many on this board.

If I wanted to be as generous as possible, I would say that many of Eli's INT's have not been 100% on him, but there are a number of them that were not just completely on him, but were horrible either in decision, execution or both.

And there were 1.5 of those last night.

Delicreep
11-22-2010, 03:40 PM
Morehead State - I am not saying that he is perfect and I am not some big Eli Manning fan - I like him as our QB though. Are there others out there I would like better? Of course but there are many behind him as well. He is still a top 10 QB in this league (in my opinion). Is he making bad mistakes this season? Yes but he is also doing some great things as well. I see the high throwsbut I also see some great passes.I was pissed about last night's fumble butI was also pissed about Bradshaw's fumbles as well. I am just saying that the theme should not be to dump on Eli. This is a team. We lose as a team and win as a team.

and half of those mistakes im not even putting on him

call me old school but when the ball hits a WRs hands, they are suppose to catch it... figure somebody with Pappy's age under his belt would recognize that
</p>


They don't know that you call me Pappy. Which is ironic since I am far less mature than most posters here.</p>


Well....Maybe not since the collective emotional age here is around 7. But you get my drift.</p>


i had a feeling that the old dude in the swag photo was morehead...LOL..no offense morehead</p>


I'm the second from the right in the Tuck jersey.</p>


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t287/mand8201/thethreadfam3final.jpg</p>


oh cmon man u aint that old...ha. the dude wearing the strahan jersey in the middle looks like he should be wearing pads getting ready for gametime. dude is huge.</p>


</p>


From left to right:</p>


Kase, Lando (BB4417), Byron, Pizz, Blondie, Good Ol' Morehead, Matt's head, and Daven (scrappy Doo)</p>


I'd point out Dezz in this photo but he was at home in the fetal position when it was taken.</p>




he was on his knees behind u, TCOB
</p>


As I remember you spent much of that weekend on your knees.</p>


And what the hell is TCOB?</p>

takin care of business


I go by MFIC of TCOB with my poker buddies

NWKEffectElement
11-22-2010, 03:42 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
coolie, lol! theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.</P>


When "his best season thus far" is one in which he*leads the NFL in turnovers, I would say there is a problem.**</P>


Wouldn't you?</P>

eli deserves blame. sure....but lets not forget how many tipped passes turned into INT's.

Hes more accurate that he has ever been but is still forcing throws he shoudnt make.

But yes, I see a much more calm, confident, collective, under control Eli manning than I have in the past.....

I think he too nonchalant. TC said the same in his press conference. He probably needs to do less commercials and start studying more.

sharick88
11-22-2010, 03:43 PM
Good to see my boy Matt in the building with his take on Eli Manning.

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 03:46 PM
He also threw several passes into coverage where his WR's bailed him out by either making great catches or knocking the ball away.</P>


<FONT color=#0000ff>He MUST protect the ball better or we will have similar results as last night. Put your head in the sand if you like.</FONT></P>




I never get the first one: are you inferring that Eli is the only QB in the league that has WR make great plays or bail him out? Are you inferring that Eli's WR's bail him out at a higher rate that other QB's get bailed out?

Your smart, a good poster and well reasoned--I don't think you believe either, but when we get on Eli's case, rightfully or not, we tend to throw out every trick in the book without a lot of consideration to it's merits.

That argument has no merit at all, or is at the very least, patently unfair.

The blue sentence is flat out perfect and descriptive of all too many on this board.

If I wanted to be as generous as possible, I would say that many of Eli's INT's have not been 100% on him, but there are a number of them that were not just completely on him, but were horrible either in decision, execution or both.

And there were 1.5 of those last night.

</P>


My point is that for every tipped ball where the WR could have bailed a QB out, there is also a bad pass/decision that a defender drops or a WR makes a play to keep it from being picked.</P>


I think that is a very fair point. I just can't let the "Its not Eli's fault" arguments stand unchallenged.</P>


I have always been a big Eli supporter and still am, but I hate turnovers. especially when we could have 8 or 9 wins if we just protected the ball better. He seemed to get a lot better in the past 2 years but has regressed this year. </P>


Those who are frustrated by that can't be in the minority.</P>

pino
11-22-2010, 03:57 PM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</P>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</P>


</P>

pino
11-22-2010, 03:57 PM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</P>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</P>


</P>

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 04:08 PM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</P>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</P>


</P>


</P>


21 turnovers in 10 games is not "a bad game".</P>

Ghost
11-22-2010, 04:10 PM
Gonna put in my 2 cents as everyone else seems to be anyway.I like Eli. I think we should keep Eli.There are no other QBs I would prefer to have right now.

Eli makes mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes, and as far as that goes, he is smarter than most.I can deal with his mistakes

Eli is not protecting the ball. Not when he has it, not when he throws it.Y'all are worried about the interceptions he throw.What disturbed me were the 2 little shuttle passes he threw as he was getting tackled last night.Neither was intercepted. He got lucky on them.

To me it is indicative of a state of mind. He is pressing. when he is pressing he doesnt take care of the ball as well.He may be pressing because his oline is hurt, and he knows he doesnt have as much time.he may be pressing because his oline is diminished, and isnt running the ball as well, so he knows it is he who has to get the yards.There are legitimate reasons he may be pressing, but he has to learn to take better care of the ball all around if he is going to do that, play that style of ball.

People talk about "upside", about "getting to the next level" , about the game "slowing down" for them.Ball control, and ball protection is the next level for Eli. Sure he has an upside, as there is clearly some growing up to do in this area for him.He can get better, and I think he will. But he definitely needs to.

He first needs to realize he isn't taking as good care of the ball as he thinks he is.

pino
11-22-2010, 04:30 PM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</P>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</P>


</P>


</P>


21 turnovers in 10 games is not "a bad game".</P>


</P>


Wow you don't say? Why he must be the worst qb in the history of the NFL!</P>


I know you are a Phil Simms supporter so I'll suggest you take a look at his numbers sometime. In fact, take a look at his 1986 numbers. Turnovers is not always an indication that a qb is horrible or doesn't get it. Sometimes its simply an idicationof how tough it is towinorplay well in the NFL.</P>


It was a bad game, and he's not alone.You guys can hang him if you want to.</P>

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 04:43 PM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</P>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</P>


</P>


</P>


21 turnovers in 10 games is not "a bad game".</P>


</P>


Wow you don't say? Why he must be the worst qb in the history of the NFL!</P>


I know you are a Phil Simms supporter so I'll suggest you take a look at his numbers sometime. In fact, take a look at his 1986 numbers. Turnovers is not always an indication that a qb is horrible or doesn't get it. Sometimes its simply an idicationof how tough it is towinorplay well in the NFL.</P>


It was a bad game, and he's not alone.You guys can hang him if you want to.</P>


</P>


Check his #'s in 1990. </P>


Eli turns it over too much and the turnovers have cost us 3 games.(not all Eli)</P>


Phil lost a grand total of 2 games in 86.</P>

pino
11-22-2010, 05:25 PM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</P>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</P>


</P>


</P>


21 turnovers in 10 games is not "a bad game".</P>


</P>


Wow you don't say? Why he must be the worst qb in the history of the NFL!</P>


I know you are a Phil Simms supporter so I'll suggest you take a look at his numbers sometime. In fact, take a look at his 1986 numbers. Turnovers is not always an indication that a qb is horrible or doesn't get it. Sometimes its simply an idicationof how tough it is towinorplay well in the NFL.</P>


It was a bad game, and he's not alone.You guys can hang him if you want to.</P>


</P>


Check his #'s in 1990. </P>


Eli turns it over too much and the turnovers have cost us 3 games.(not all Eli)</P>


Phil lost a grand total of 2 games in 86.</P>


</P>


Imake the point that even Phil Simms was capable (and not just once or twice) of Eli Manning mistakes, and provide you evidence, and you retort with Phil's best statistical year. That is the equivolent of me retorting with, "check out Eli's 2008 stats."</P>


I think I made my point about Eli and stats. Both Eli and Simms had HORRIBLE years statistically the year they each won the Super Bowl. Yes Eli made mistakes this year, and he's cost us some games, but I can also say that he has won us some games this year. This is not an excuse for Eli. I've acknowledged the fact that he's made some bad decisions. I'm just not overreacting to this loss.</P>


Consider this as well;Eli wouldn't havecostus those games if he didn't have to play from behind in the final minutes of the game. I have always tried to offer you guys my opinion that it's not just Eli, butI guess some people just need a fall guy. </P>


Meanwhile, I'm confident that we get our revenge on the Eagles and correct our mistakes.I'm over the loss.</P>


</P>

plaxattack17
11-22-2010, 05:41 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?
not hiding, Eli is an elite quarterback. He largely played terrfically well for most of the game with no help offensively, he got us two touchdown drives to give us a lead, and we collapsed at the end. The huge mistake ELi made was the fumble- but that was from a great run, with fantastic awareness got us the game saving first down and then he lost his mind- and thats inexusible. 99% of the mistakes Eli has made has been from his forcing a play desperate to make a play, and thats an issue he needs to solve. He's still a phenomenal quarterback.

AGiantDynasty
11-22-2010, 05:44 PM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</p>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</p>


</p>


</p>


21 turnovers in 10 games is not "a bad game".</p>

Have you been watching the team this year? The first half of the season you can find AT LEAST 10 picks that were WR tips. Dont give them lame *** excuse of "for every tipped INT there was a bad pass..etc". So now we are counting "what if's" in the argument? Any other QB would have lost faith but eli is still confident in their ability.

Along with LatinoShockey you both need to learn the game a bit more. Injuries are destroying our team. Offensive line barely gives time to eli and when they do, their is a huge chance of a WR tipping or dropping the pass.

Eli is not perfect. He makes his share of mistakes, but if you are single handily going to call him out and not the rest of the pathetic offense you are just being a biased anti-eli fan. The guy has proved himself to be a good to great QB in this league.

I am sick and tired of hearing the eli-bashing at this point. The guy IS NOT PERFECT, but he has been the best QB we have had in the last 20+ years. Need I remind some of you what our QB's have been like since Phil Simms?

Perhaps some of you need to understand we are decimated at all the positions a QB needs to succeed. And to top it off, our running backs are turning over the ball constantly. Add Kevin Killdrives horrible play calling and Eli is in an up hill battle. No WR's, No OL, Bad playcalling, fumble prone HB's and the worst special teams in the league. All have a drastic effect on how much a QB has to do to be deemed "successful".

When eli wins his 2nd superbowl MVP, I cant wait to hear what you clowns have to say then.

He is not a HoF top 10 QB... But he is easily in the top 5 or 3 in NY Giants history. That enough gives him my respect.

Kase-1
11-22-2010, 05:47 PM
Well now that our WR Corp consists of Manningham, Hagan, and Calhoun we're gonna see if Eli can elevate the play of the rest of the offense by himself.... I REALLY hope so cause that would prove something about Eli

yatitle
11-22-2010, 05:47 PM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</P>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</P>


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21 turnovers in 10 games is not "a bad game".</P>


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Wow you don't say? Why he must be the worst qb in the history of the NFL!</P>


I know you are a Phil Simms supporter so I'll suggest you take a look at his numbers sometime. In fact, take a look at his 1986 numbers. Turnovers is not always an indication that a qb is horrible or doesn't get it. Sometimes its simply an idicationof how tough it is towinorplay well in the NFL.</P>


It was a bad game, and he's not alone.You guys can hang him if you want to.</P>


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Check his #'s in 1990. </P>


Eli turns it over too much and the turnovers have cost us 3 games.(not all Eli)</P>


Phil lost a grand total of 2 games in 86.</P>


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Maybe if Eli had the 3rd greatest player in NFL history on his defense he would 2 games all season as well. You wanna go check how many games in 86 the "D" bailed Simms out. His passer rating was 74. And for full disclosure Phil Simms is my favorite Giant of all time.</P>

WeezyBaby999
11-22-2010, 05:48 PM
Eli just had his FIRST bad game of the season

TheBlueGiant
11-22-2010, 05:50 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>

Kase-1
11-22-2010, 05:53 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</p>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</p>BOOOOOO!!!!!!!

TheBlueGiant
11-22-2010, 05:54 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>


BOOOOOO!!!!!!!</P>


why??? what about whiteGonzalazfan</P>

Blue daddy
11-22-2010, 06:15 PM
It's obvious that Eli cant carry the Giants against good teams welcome to reality. He's missing three of his crutches two all pro linemen and an all pro WR.
The real culprit here is the turnovers just cant win with them the Giants have been lucky up til now and it's caught up to them. If they don't fix it they wont get far this year. Even with all the turnovers they were in position to win the game until Eli did his belly flop routine that's when I turned the pain off.

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 06:19 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>

latino is a ittle bit slow, you'll have to excuse him.

logan9839
11-22-2010, 06:22 PM
Who is hiding. I for one am a huge Eli supporter. I think he is the right QB for us. Problem is people expect him to be perfect, and he never will be.

That said, that slide was amazingly bad!

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 06:25 PM
Who is hiding. I for one am a huge Eli supporter. I think he is the right QB for us. Problem is people expect him to be perfect, and he never will be.

That said, that slide was amazingly bad!

right, which QB is perfect? even his big bro chokes....

but yes, i agree, that slide was horrific

garp01
11-22-2010, 07:12 PM
The interceptions are flat out un-acceptable for a QB on a 100 million dollar contract and that is the bottomline! The most alarming fact is that Eli is showing absolutely no signs of improvement. Eli was qouted 2 weeks ago stating that he doesn't look at stats only wins and losses, and I must agree with him because if I was averaging almost 3 ints a game I wouldn't want to look at the stats either. The penalties, fumbles, and interceptions by the offense has cost us the last 2 games and in total three of our losses this season. The defense is playing flat-out Giant football and the general lack of concern and acknowledgement from our offense for their continuos mistakes is not only a kick in the teeth to us fans but also to the defense and our coaching staff. I think what bothers me the most is Eli's demeanor in all his interviews, he just isn't taking ownership for the fact his offense is costing us these ball games

TheBlueGiant
11-22-2010, 07:15 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>


latino is a ittle bit slow, you'll have to excuse him.</P>


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I figured it out already but thnks for the info</P>

FBomb
11-22-2010, 07:32 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's lossJUST to call out other posters andsay he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense. </P>

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 07:42 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's loss*JUST to call out other posters and*say he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense.* </P>

Latino is a joke, and always has been..I wouldnt expect any better from him

FBomb
11-22-2010, 07:45 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's lossJUST to call out other posters andsay he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense. </P>


Latino is a joke, and always has been..I wouldnt expect any better from him</P>


I don't....usually I just ignore his uneducated opinion, but I saw the thread was so long I had to see what all the "to-do' was about......turns out, not much.</P>

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 07:48 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's loss*JUST to call out other posters and*say he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense.* </P>


Latino is a joke, and always has been..I wouldnt expect any better from him</P>


I don't....usually I just ignore his uneducated opinion, but I saw the thread was so long I had to see what all the "to-do' was about......turns out, not much.</P>

i used to enjoy getting him angry :)

Giant stuck in Texas
11-22-2010, 07:49 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</p>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</p>LMAO... It's a Latino thing. No different then having your last name in old english script going across the back window of your F150.

gumby742
11-22-2010, 08:07 PM
I coulda sworn Latino was one of the biggest Eli supporters a couple years ago ....

or am i going nuts..

FBomb
11-22-2010, 08:09 PM
I coulda sworn Latino was one of the biggest Eli supporters a couple years ago .... or am i going nuts..</P>


"going"?[H]</P>

Eli TO Shockey
11-22-2010, 08:10 PM
I coulda sworn Latino was one of the biggest Eli supporters a couple years ago ....

or am i going nuts..

lol sounds familiar. you may be getting it confused with shockey..but you cant take anything this guy says seriously. even you have more credibility that latino :)

FBomb
11-22-2010, 08:13 PM
So you're down cause we lost the game. So you look for somebody to be angry at. QB is most obvious choice. Very sad to see Giant fans saying we DESERVED to lose by 30 or whatever. Jesus! They're human. Not perfect. I suppose Vick deserved to almost give us the game by carrying the ball where it is so easy to fumble. Do you suppose Eagles fans would beat him up for that if they had lost? Which they almost did except for the 50 yard run on 4th down. Talk about QB dumb mistakes. Vick always carries the ball like that. By the way, how come we don't beat up the D for giving up that 50 yarder? And the penalty just before it? You know why? Because they don't deserve it. Eli threw two touchdown passes which gave us the lead. Ah, but those don't count. Those are expected. Even with his two best receivers banged up. (It turns out Nicks was hurt during the game and will be out for three weeks.)

The stats Eli doesn't look at are his completion percentage which is fourth best in the league and his 20 TD passes for the sixth straight year. You think he makes mistakes on purpose? Is he supposed to cut his wrists to show he cares about making mistakes? If he were a laggard, I would be the first to criticize him but the guy works harder than anybody and does his best which is better than a lot of QBs in the league. I guess New Orleans fans are talking about getting rid of Brees because he has just two ints less than Eli. That Brees just does not improve with age. He has been in the league all those years and he is still throwing interceptions. And don't even talk about Favre.

Bottom line is football is a TEAM sport. The team wins or loses. Many individual plays go into a win or a loss. Specially a close game like last night. Picking out a particular play or player doesn't make sense except for your psychological need to express your grief.
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Logic???? Really???</P>

zbert
11-22-2010, 08:15 PM
I'll stick with Eli...Thank you very much. He's missing a few key players on offense and now you can add Hakeem to the list of wounded. We just really need for Eli to learn how to slide.

elifan10
11-22-2010, 08:17 PM
Why are you happy that we lost and Eli played bad? OK you right you get a pat on the back. Eli had one bad game there you go.................

lttaylor56
11-22-2010, 08:40 PM
It's obvious that Eli cant carry the Giants against good teams welcome to reality. He's missing three of his crutches two all pro linemen and an all pro WR.
The real culprit here is the turnovers just cant win with them the Giants have been lucky up til now and it's caught up to them. If they don't fix it they wont get far this year. Even with all the turnovers they were in position to win the game until Eli did his belly flop routine that's when I turned the pain off.
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It's a rude reality, the situation this team is in right now. The mistakes have caught up with us, they reared their ugly face as soon as our skill level dropped from injury. </P>

jax5338
11-22-2010, 08:44 PM
So you're down cause we lost the game. So you look for somebody to be angry at. QB is most obvious choice. Very sad to see Giant fans saying we DESERVED to lose by 30 or whatever. Jesus! They're human. Not perfect. I suppose Vick deserved to almost give us the game by carrying the ball where it is so easy to fumble. Do you suppose Eagles fans would beat him up for that if they had lost? Which they almost did except for the 50 yard run on 4th down. Talk about QB dumb mistakes. Vick always carries the ball like that. By the way, how come we don't beat up the D for giving up that 50 yarder? And the penalty just before it? You know why? Because they don't deserve it. Eli threw two touchdown passes which gave us the lead. Ah, but those don't count. Those are expected. Even with his two best receivers banged up. (It turns out Nicks was hurt during the game and will be out for three weeks.)

The stats Eli doesn't look at are his completion percentage which is fourth best in the league and his 20 TD passes for the sixth straight year. You think he makes mistakes on purpose? Is he supposed to cut his wrists to show he cares about making mistakes? If he were a laggard, I would be the first to criticize him but the guy works harder than anybody and does his best which is better than a lot of QBs in the league. I guess New Orleans fans are talking about getting rid of Brees because he has just two ints less than Eli. That Brees just does not improve with age. He has been in the league all those years and he is still throwing interceptions. And don't even talk about Favre.

Bottom line is football is a TEAM sport. The team wins or loses. Many individual plays go into a win or a loss. Specially a close game like last night. Picking out a particular play or player doesn't make sense except for your psychological need to express your grief.


well said. im known to be an eli lover. but honestly right now i cant help but be mad at him. he made some bonehead plays yesterday. he certainly wasnt the only one though and others can be held accountable. thats why im not on here like these other lunatics saying we should cut/trade him and ahmad. **** happens and t takes a team to win football games no matter how good or bad the QB, defense, etc may be.

TheBlueGiant
11-22-2010, 08:51 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>


LMAO... It's a Latino thing. No different then having your last name in old english script going across the back window of your F150.
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sounds like a double standard.. the old eglish on a 150 sounds a little stupid as well</P>

gumby742
11-22-2010, 08:55 PM
I coulda sworn Latino was one of the biggest Eli supporters a couple years ago ....

or am i going nuts..

lol sounds familiar. you may be getting it confused with shockey..but you cant take anything this guy says seriously. even you have more credibility that latino :)

lol. you really gotta get your head out of your *** and actually read what I'm writing.

giantsaz
11-22-2010, 08:56 PM
Why are you happy that we lost and Eli played bad? OK you right you get a pat on the back. Eli had one bad game there you go.................One bad game? 14 INT's should tell you the story. He is 2nd in the NFL in INT's. Now that's elite alright.

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 09:30 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?
not hiding, Eli is an elite quarterback. He largely played terrfically well for most of the game with no help offensively, he got us two touchdown drives to give us a lead, and we collapsed at the end. The huge mistake ELi made was the fumble- but that was from a great run, with fantastic awareness got us the game saving first down and then he lost his mind- and thats inexusible. 99% of the mistakes Eli has made has been from his forcing a play desperate to make a play, and thats an issue he needs to solve. He's still a phenomenal quarterback.
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Terrific</P>


great</P>


fantastic</P>


phenominal</P>


You would think he didn't turn the ball over 4 times last night. Good for you. Fantasyland is a wonderful place. Actually its terrifically great, with fantastically phenominal attractions.</P>

Morehead State
11-22-2010, 09:37 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?
not hiding, Eli is an elite quarterback. He largely played terrfically well for most of the game with no help offensively, he got us two touchdown drives to give us a lead, and we collapsed at the end. The huge mistake ELi made was the fumble- but that was from a great run, with fantastic awareness got us the game saving first down and then he lost his mind- and thats inexusible. 99% of the mistakes Eli has made has been from his forcing a play desperate to make a play, and thats an issue he needs to solve. He's still a phenomenal quarterback.
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Terrific</P>


great</P>


fantastic</P>


phenominal</P>


You would think he didn't turn the ball over 4 times last night. Good for you. Fantasyland is a wonderful place. Actually its terrifically great, with fantastically phenominal attractions.</P>


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Why is everyone here attacking Latino. He's a good poster and a loyal Giants fan. Maybe we should answer his contention that the turnovers have to stop and if they continue we will be watching other people's teams only come playoff time.</P>


This is the essential point and this only. Eli must protect the ball. He hasn't yet this season and it has caught up to us the past two weeks.</P>


The interesting point is that I'm sure Eli would agree.</P>

NewCoachPlz
11-22-2010, 10:13 PM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror



And Trent Dilfer won ONE as well. So, what's the point here??

Giant stuck in Texas
11-22-2010, 10:23 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or
white jacobsfan?</P>


LMAO... It's a Latino thing. No different then having your last name in old english script going across the back window of your F150.
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sounds like a double standard.. the old eglish on a 150 sounds a little stupid s well</P>It's common place down here. If you lived in the southwest maybe the joke wouldn't have gone over your head.

sooooooo, nevermind...........

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:24 AM
Welcome back ladies.. Glad you can join me. Your thoughts and comments regarding Eli and our team were great. We're at a 2 game losing streak and still above 500 so we can keep our heads up for now. The bigger problem now is how are we going to adjust. This is what they get paid millions for. With all the injuries and bad play by our the players, we can't afford to let this continue. From here on out we have to ATLEAST PLAY mistake free football regardless of who's on the field or not. Mistakes have been our weakest link outside of special teams and bonehead decisions. It shouldn't matter too much who plays receivers, if Eli plays mistake free football, WE CAN WIN. Now, we have the Jaguars this week. They're a tough team so we need to go in with a whole lot of confidence and play some mistake free football. With that said, it's all on Eli now. The defense is showing up. Our offense isn't. I don't want to hear about all the injuries. Every team has injuries. No more excuses. They're professionals. Start playing like one.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:28 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

Eli is much classier person than Vick. If anything, our D made Vick look like the Vick of Atlanta.

This has nothing to do with who's classier. Vick is a good passer. Plain and simple. He was in a bad system in Atlanta and played well their. Now, he's in the perfect system and playing lights out so this isn't about Vick vs Eli. This is about our offense STINKING. Too many bonehead throws and dropped balls. Then, you throw in fumbling and our oline not opening holes for our RB's makes for a doomed offense.

TheBlueGiant
11-23-2010, 08:30 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>


LMAO... It's a Latino thing. No different then having your last name in old english script going across the back window of your F150.
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sounds like a double standard.. the old eglish on a 150 sounds a little stupid s well</P>


It's common place down here. If you lived in the southwest maybe the joke wouldn't have gone over your head. sooooooo, nevermind...........</P>


Did not go over my head like i said ..it's retarted just saying...</P>

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:32 AM
I'm here read my post!! you guys are a joke and yes that's u..go be a saints fan or eagles you joke!!

Not me. I pointed out the whole team in other threads. I started this one to get all the Eli lovers opinions on Eli's play today. Was I happy with the 3 picks? NO Was i happy with some dropped balls? NO.. Was i happy with the fumbles? NO.. Point is, our offense SUCKS and Eli is the leader of our offense. So, if he can't consistency play good enough football, then how do you expect our other offensive players to play that way too? He has to lead by example. He isn't doing that consistently.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:35 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

Im right here idiot and i'll support Eli til the day he retires.

Yea he made a dumb play, but hell keep that ball 9 times out of 10....just plain bad luck!!!!

I can't wait to see all of you losers disappear after we go 10-6 and make the playoffs!!!

I'm just as pissed off as anyone, but you can't lose hope.* you just cant...


Good morning idiot. Just so you know, I did state we lost as a team. I did not lose hope. Thank you, have a nice day.

JPizzack
11-23-2010, 08:41 AM
these posts are ridiculous. Every team has beef with their players at some point. The Colts are mediocre this year, and thats rare. you think they are calling for Peyton's head? I HIGHLY doubt that...

Just remember with no Eli, your team wouldnt have that ring. Everyone needs to quit thinking they are so important that they feel they know whats best for the team.
I'm with Eli till he can't play at all anymore.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:43 AM
im here. he played ****ty today. no way around it.* as a giant fan, why do you seem happy that he ahd a bad game? so you can say i told you so? good for you!* hes still gonna be here next week and the giants are 6-4.* he was bad but you certainly cant pin this solely on him.* if theres one thing you can admire as an eli hater, it's his resiliency.


There you are.. Good post.. Im not happy he had a bad game. We lost. That doesn't make me happy at all. What pisses me off is that when he sucks, we lose. Even with the injuries to our o-line, they still gave him enough time to make good throws. Nothing good happen with that. Just 3 picks. Ok so bottom line, WHEN ELI PLAYS GOOD WE WIN. WHEN HE SUCKS, WE LOSE. I can't stand that average hot or cold type of QB. He's gotta start being consistent. Thats all im asking for. I don't care about injuries. Every team has them. He has to play with what he's got and start leading the offense positively by example. Throwing 3 picks isn't going to get our offense fired up in a positive way. We still have some good players left on offense. We still have Manningham, Boss, Bradshaw, and Jacobs.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:45 AM
Elisha Manning is what he is. He consistent at being inconsistent. He'll make you love and hate him all in one game. He will make plays, but he will also turn the ball over at an alarming rate. He is averaging over 2 turnovers a game. Even the most homerific Eli lover can't defend that. Well, they might blame the receivers, the wind, or the o-line. lol. He has his strengths and his flaws. I still want him as our qb regardless because our qb situation could be even worse.

Awesome post dude.. I feel the same exact way.. BTW, where the hell you been?

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:48 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night?

cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:49 AM
That fumble was a killer, but the WHOLE offense is a walking turnover right now and the defense (although they are playing well) aren't exactly getting a lot of takeaways... Still, I thought we played fairly well tonight... We definitely played well enough to win, and with a lot of key players out too.

Good post, but we didn't play well offensively. We stunk. Period. Defense held up as long as they could. It was our offense as a whole that costed us the game.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:58 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol


It's culo.. HAHA Dude, im alright with Eli.. I wouldn't want any other qb.. Well, except Brady but you know what i mean. When he plays good we win. When he doesn't we lose. He's our offensive leader and has to start leading this offense in a positive direction. Our leader needs to lead by example.. Playing bad will have others playing bad as well.. That's all im saying.

TheBlueGiant
11-23-2010, 09:00 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night? cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?</P>


It was a dude not a woman</P>

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:03 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
coolie, lol! theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.</p>


When "his best season thus far" is one in which heleads the NFL in turnovers, I would say there is a problem.</p>


Wouldn't you?</p>




only to those stat riding...


if u watched the games u'd know that there was more to it. Unfortunately yesterday they were all on him.... but honestly balls popping off WRs hands is annoying.

But its fine, cuz when TO was at the ttop of his game, he lead the league in drops, in Brett Farves best year which was in 1998, he lead the league in turnovers...

Personally, i think he'll be fine. Im more worried about Bradshaw
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I hope he'll be fine because he hasn't been fine all year. Maybe this will put the fear of God into him and lead him to protect the ball more.</p>


And Bradshaw has always put the ball on the ground.</p>

actually he has, if our WRs weren't ****ting the bed this wouldn't even be an issue

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 09:03 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol


coolie, lol!


theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.

His best season was last year. 27 tds 14 ints. Hes got 21 tds and 16 itns. You call that his best season so far? Know something about his stats before you post it. He's on pace to having more ints so he better start making better decisions with the ball.

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:04 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
coolie, lol! theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.</p>


When "his best season thus far" is one in which heleads the NFL in turnovers, I would say there is a problem.</p>


Wouldn't you?</p>

eli deserves blame. sure....but lets not forget how many tipped passes turned into INT's.

Hes more accurate that he has ever been but is still forcing throws he shoudnt make.

But yes, I see a much more calm, confident, collective, under control Eli manning than I have in the past.....

I think he too nonchalant. TC said the same in his press conference. He probably needs to do less commercials and start studying more.

Elis work ethic was called into question by Coughlin? I must of missed that

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:05 AM
Good to see my boy Matt in the building with his take on Eli Manning.


am i sensing sarcasm? Or just anger that im #1 in fantasy? [;)]

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:12 AM
Well now that our WR Corp consists of Manningham, Hagan, and Calhoun we're gonna see if Eli can elevate the play of the rest of the offense by himself.... I REALLY hope so cause that would prove something about Eli


yea but didn't he do that last year with no running game and a bunch of rookie WRs?

I mean i coulda swore thats when he started getting props from the eli haters on here

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:13 AM
No, not hiding. I'm here, still supporting Eli. Still think he is our future Ring of Honor qb. Still positive that we will make the playoffs this year.</p>


I have never said Eli wasn't compable of having a bad game. That's all it was.</p>


</p>


</p>


21 turnovers in 10 games is not "a bad game".</p>


</p>


Wow you don't say? Why he must be the worst qb in the history of the NFL!</p>


I know you are a Phil Simms supporter so I'll suggest you take a look at his numbers sometime. In fact, take a look at his 1986 numbers. Turnovers is not always an indication that a qb is horrible or doesn't get it. Sometimes its simply an idicationof how tough it is towinorplay well in the NFL.</p>


It was a bad game, and he's not alone.You guys can hang him if you want to.</p>


</p>


Check his #'s in 1990. </p>


Eli turns it over too much and the turnovers have cost us 3 games.(not all Eli)</p>


Phil lost a grand total of 2 games in 86.</p>


</p>


Maybe if Eli had the 3rd greatest player in NFL history on his defense he would 2 games all season as well. You wanna go check how many games in 86 the "D" bailed Simms out. His passer rating was 74. And for full disclosure Phil Simms is my favorite Giant of all time.</p>

uh oh pappy... somebody has a point on you

GameTime
11-23-2010, 09:14 AM
I am an Eli supporter but as such I see his faults as well as his good points.
Once again he had some poor plays in which he cost the team a chance to win. BUT>>>> some of the things he did in the game got them back to even have a chance. He is still better than most QBs in the league. He is no where near the best and is far far from the worst. I cant believe the stuff he does both good and bad.
95% of the time he is a very good QB. The other 5% his head is up his butt. It seems his mistakes are magnified and change games for the worse. Yet he pulls out plays that change the game for the better usually.
I hate all the comparisons because I think they are all hypothetical garbage. He is the Giants QB and will be for the next sevral years. Love him or hate him he wins more than he loses and the Giants are good with him.

gumby742
11-23-2010, 09:14 AM
Well now that our WR Corp consists of Manningham, Hagan, and Calhoun we're gonna see if Eli can elevate the play of the rest of the offense by himself.... I REALLY hope so cause that would prove something about Eli


yea but didn't he do that last year with no running game and a bunch of rookie WRs?

I mean i coulda swore thats when he started getting props from the eli haters on here


I'm insulted. I DO have a name you know.

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:16 AM
Why are you happy that we lost and Eli played bad? OK you right you get a pat on the back. Eli had one bad game there you go.................One bad game? 14 INT's should tell you the story. He is 2nd in the NFL in INT's. Now that's elite alright.


great point...

I guess Farve has never really been elite

and

those balls that bounced off WRs hands and into defenders are really on Eli... maybe he should just try to run out to them and hand the ball off instead of expecting the WRs to catch them

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:17 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?
not hiding, Eli is an elite quarterback. He largely played terrfically well for most of the game with no help offensively, he got us two touchdown drives to give us a lead, and we collapsed at the end. The huge mistake ELi made was the fumble- but that was from a great run, with fantastic awareness got us the game saving first down and then he lost his mind- and thats inexusible. 99% of the mistakes Eli has made has been from his forcing a play desperate to make a play, and thats an issue he needs to solve. He's still a phenomenal quarterback.
</p>


Terrific</p>


great</p>


fantastic</p>


phenominal</p>


You would think he didn't turn the ball over 4 times last night. Good for you. Fantasyland is a wonderful place. Actually its terrifically great, with fantastically phenominal attractions.</p>

i think everybody is in agreement that the other night he was putrid - dont daven the conversation

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:17 AM
Right here, ***** hat... right here... There is 25(at least) other teams that would love him

Never Forget XLII... wild card terror



And Trent Dilfer won ONE as well. So, what's the point here??


Ray Lewis won one, Dilfer was there for the ride

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:19 AM
Welcome back ladies.. Glad you can join me. Your thoughts and comments regarding Eli and our team were great. We're at a 2 game losing streak and still above 500 so we can keep our heads up for now. The bigger problem now is how are we going to adjust. This is what they get paid millions for. With all the injuries and bad play by our the players, we can't afford to let this continue. From here on out we have to ATLEAST PLAY mistake free football regardless of who's on the field or not. Mistakes have been our weakest link outside of special teams and bonehead decisions. It shouldn't matter too much who plays receivers, if Eli plays mistake free football, WE CAN WIN. Now, we have the Jaguars this week. They're a tough team so we need to go in with a whole lot of confidence and play some mistake free football. With that said, it's all on Eli now. The defense is showing up. Our offense isn't. I don't want to hear about all the injuries. Every team has injuries. No more excuses. They're professionals. Start playing like one.

even Peyton isn't winning with Collie and Clark out and he at least still even has Reggie Wayne

Snappinnecks
11-23-2010, 09:21 AM
Did Eli have a bad game? Hell yes! Does that mean I don't support him? NO! Glad we have him!

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:25 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol


It's culo.. HAHA Dude, im alright with Eli.. I wouldn't want any other qb.. Well, except Brady but you know what i mean. When he plays good we win. When he doesn't we lose. He's our offensive leader and has to start leading this offense in a positive direction. Our leader needs to lead by example.. Playing bad will have others playing bad as well.. That's all im saying.


listen i can barely speak and spell ameriKan, what makes u think i could type latinian?


but i just wanna know one thing

http://www.glogster.com/media/2/5/69/9/5690913.jpg

Hows the reunion?

[;)]

MattMeyerBud
11-23-2010, 09:26 AM
Well now that our WR Corp consists of Manningham, Hagan, and Calhoun we're gonna see if Eli can elevate the play of the rest of the offense by himself.... I REALLY hope so cause that would prove something about Eli


yea but didn't he do that last year with no running game and a bunch of rookie WRs?

I mean i coulda swore thats when he started getting props from the eli haters on here


I'm insulted. I DO have a name you know.

lol

u actually brought a smile to my face this morning gumby

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 07:47 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>

Nothing really. THere were a ton of just Shockeyfan user names at the time so I had no choice. Is that ok?

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 07:49 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>

latino is a ittle bit slow, you'll have to excuse him.

Thank you Eli to shockey for your assistance letting these people know the deal. I can't spend all my time on here like most posters.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 07:54 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's loss*JUST to call out other posters and*say he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense.* </P>

Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 07:56 PM
I coulda sworn Latino was one of the biggest Eli supporters a couple years ago ....

or am i going nuts..

I am an Eli supporter. Some posters can't stand it when I say bad things about him when he doesn't play well.

Eli TO Shockey
11-23-2010, 07:58 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's loss*JUST to call out other posters and*say he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense.* </P>

Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread.

uh oh, you dont want to insult latino...he has been known to carry brass knuckles in his culo

Eli TO Shockey
11-23-2010, 08:00 PM
I coulda sworn Latino was one of the biggest Eli supporters a couple years ago ....

or am i going nuts..

I am an Eli supporter. Some posters can't stand it when I say bad things about him when he doesn't play well.

so that would mean that you are hiding, according to the title of this thread..but you actually started this thread...calling out the eli supporters...

doesnt make too much sense now does it latino? take a minute before you answer.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:00 PM
Why are you happy that we lost and Eli played bad? OK you right you get a pat on the back. Eli had one bad game there you go.................

Did I say I was happy? Go back and read the first post idiot. It said nothing about me being happy we lost.. I clearly said Eli costed us our last chance and WE LOST AS A FNN TEAM. Read it again stupid. YOu'll see. That goes for anyone else who claims I"m happy we lost. You have to be a stupid idiot to believe I was happy we lost. I nearly threw my chair threw my flat screen when Eli fumbled. YOu think I get happy when we lose you should just kill yourself. Read my first post and come back when you comprehend it.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 08:06 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?
not hiding, Eli is an elite quarterback. He largely played terrfically well for most of the game with no help offensively, he got us two touchdown drives to give us a lead, and we collapsed at the end. The huge mistake ELi made was the fumble- but that was from a great run, with fantastic awareness got us the game saving first down and then he lost his mind- and thats inexusible. 99% of the mistakes Eli has made has been from his forcing a play desperate to make a play, and thats an issue he needs to solve. He's still a phenomenal quarterback.
</P>


Terrific</P>


great</P>


fantastic</P>


phenominal</P>


You would think he didn't turn the ball over 4 times last night.*** Good for you.* Fantasyland is a wonderful place.* Actually its terrifically great, with fantastically phenominal attractions.</P>


</P>


Why is everyone here attacking Latino.* He's a good poster and a loyal Giants fan.* Maybe we should answer his contention that the turnovers have to stop and if they continue we will be watching other people's teams only come playoff time.</P>


This is the essential point and this only.* Eli must protect the ball.* He hasn't yet this season and it has caught up to us the past two weeks.</P>


The interesting point is that I'm sure Eli would agree.</P>


What's up Moorehead...Again, you know exactly what I always try to say.. It may not come out as positive as most posters here want to read but I'm as real as it comes. On top of that, it wasn't like my first post said I'm putting the loss clearly on only Eli. I said, we lost as a team but that Eli costed us our last shot.. What's wrong with that? Anyways, I really don't care what these a-holes say about me. Im a Eli supporter while he plays in blue. I just wish things were different, or more consistent. ONCE AGAIN, THE TEAM BLEW THE GAME. Costly mistakes and bonehead decisions costed us the game. Not just Eli either.

GameTime
11-23-2010, 08:08 PM
the funny thing is that Eli was one of the biggest reasons that the Giants were able to comeback and get ahead and he is also one of the biggest reasons they lost....</P>


<FONT color=#000080 size=4>Eli giveth....</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#000080 size=4>Eli taketh away....</FONT></P>

NWKEffectElement
11-23-2010, 08:09 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
coolie, lol! theres no qb id rather have...plain and simple. He screwed up yesterday, had a bad game, so what...hes having his best season thus far in his career. He will rebound and prove all you haters wrong like he always does.</p>


When "his best season thus far" is one in which he*leads the NFL in turnovers, I would say there is a problem.**</p>


Wouldn't you?</p>

eli deserves blame. sure....but lets not forget how many tipped passes turned into INT's.

Hes more accurate that he has ever been but is still forcing throws he shoudnt make.

But yes, I see a much more calm, confident, collective, under control Eli manning than I have in the past.....

I think he too nonchalant. TC said the same in his press conference. He probably needs to do less commercials and start studying more.

Elis work ethic was called into question by Coughlin? I must of missed that


I said nothing about work ethic. He used the word 'nonchalant' which implied carelessness.

Giant stuck in Texas
11-23-2010, 08:12 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</p>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</p>


LMAO... It's a Latino thing. No different then having your last name in old english script going across the back window of your F150.
</p>


sounds like a double standard.. the old eglish on a 150 sounds a little stupid s well</p>


It's common place down here. If you lived in the southwest maybe the joke wouldn't have gone over your head. sooooooo, nevermind...........</p>


Did not go over my head like i said ..it's retarted just saying...</p> I don't have the personality of a rock and I should have never engaged you with this conversation. My apologies for assuming other wise.

Morehead State
11-23-2010, 08:23 PM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</P>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up. With tongues if necessary.</P>

NWKEffectElement
11-23-2010, 08:27 PM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</P>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up.* With tongues if necessary.</P>

Lol!!

TheBlueGiant
11-23-2010, 09:16 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


what does Latinoshockey fan stand for.. sounds kind of racist to me.. if Im white do I have to say Im whiteNicks fan or white jacobsfan?</P>


LMAO... It's a Latino thing. No different then having your last name in old english script going across the back window of your F150.
</P>


sounds like a double standard.. the old eglish on a 150 sounds a little stupid s well</P>


It's common place down here. If you lived in the southwest maybe the joke wouldn't have gone over your head. sooooooo, nevermind...........</P>


Did not go over my head like i said ..it's retarted just saying...</P>


I don't have the personality of a rock and I should have never engaged you with this conversation. My apologies for assuming other wise.
</P>


I did not say the joke was retarted the name is retarted</P>

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 09:17 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night? cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?</P>


It was a dude not a woman</P>

No, actually it was your sister.

Eli TO Shockey
11-23-2010, 09:18 PM
Why are you happy that we lost and Eli played bad? OK you right you get a pat on the back. Eli had one bad game there you go.................

Did I say I was happy? Go back and read the first post idiot. It said nothing about me being happy we lost.. I clearly said Eli costed us our last chance and WE LOST AS A FNN TEAM. Read it again stupid. YOu'll see. That goes for anyone else who claims I"m happy we lost. You have to be a stupid idiot to believe I was happy we lost. I nearly threw my chair threw my flat screen when Eli fumbled. YOu think I get happy when we lose you should just kill yourself. Read my first post and come back when you comprehend it.

no bueno

NYgiants141
11-23-2010, 09:21 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night? cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?</P>


It was a dude not a woman</P>

No, actually it was your sister.

Damn, some people on this forum act like they're 5 years old.

TheBlueGiant
11-23-2010, 09:30 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night? cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?</P>


It was a dude not a woman</P>


No, actually it was your sister.</P>


don't think so . It's a kown fact you likepenis and balls....</P>

Morehead State
11-23-2010, 09:32 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night? cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?</P>


It was a dude not a woman</P>


No, actually it was your sister. Damn, some people on this forum act like they're 5 years old.</P>


Lets face it, none of us has an emotional age in double digits.</P>

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 09:33 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol


It's culo.. HAHA Dude, im alright with Eli.. I wouldn't want any other qb.. Well, except Brady but you know what i mean. When he plays good we win. When he doesn't we lose. He's our offensive leader and has to start leading this offense in a positive direction. Our leader needs to lead by example.. Playing bad will have others playing bad as well.. That's all im saying.


listen i can barely speak and spell ameriKan, what makes u think i could type latinian?


but i just wanna know one thing

http://www.glogster.com/media/2/5/69/9/5690913.jpg

Hows the reunion?

[;)]




Hey Lance, the reunion is going better than I thought. Thanks for asking. I found out we're doing a calabo with your group Nsync in the summer....How are you and your boyfriend Reichem Lehmkuhl doing these days? Last I heard you were getting death threats since coming out the closet.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/startracks/061106/lance_bass.jpg

You guys look cute together in that pic :)

TheBlueGiant
11-23-2010, 09:36 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
It's culo.. HAHA Dude, im alright with Eli.. I wouldn't want any other qb.. Well, except Brady but you know what i mean. When he plays good we win. When he doesn't we lose. He's our offensive leader and has to start leading this offense in a positive direction. Our leader needs to lead by example.. Playing bad will have others playing bad as well.. That's all im saying.


listen i can barely speak and spell ameriKan, what makes u think i could type latinian?


but i just wanna know one thing

http://www.glogster.com/media/2/5/69/9/5690913.jpg

Hows the reunion?

[;)]


Hey Lance, the reunion is going better than I thought. Thanks for asking. I found out we're doing a calabo with your group Nsync in the summer....How are you and your boyfriend Reichem Lehmkuhl doing these days? Last I heard you were getting death threats since coming out the closet. http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/startracks/061106/lance_bass.jpg You guys look cute together in that pic :)</P>


The one on the far right is you</P>

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 09:42 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's loss*JUST to call out other posters and*say he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense.* </P>

Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread.

uh oh, you dont want to insult latino...he has been known to carry brass knuckles in his culo

He didn't insult me. He just likes to run his mouth like he's some sort of message board ambassador. He aint "s" to me . He can run his mouth all he wants. If he don't like what I post, TOO Fnn bad.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 09:45 PM
I coulda sworn Latino was one of the biggest Eli supporters a couple years ago ....

or am i going nuts..

I am an Eli supporter. Some posters can't stand it when I say bad things about him when he doesn't play well.

so that would mean that you are hiding, according to the title of this thread..but you actually started this thread...calling out the eli supporters...

doesnt make too much sense now does it latino? take a minute before you answer.

If you were on a few weeks ago, like Moorehead was, you would understand clearly why this thread was posted. You wasn't here then so your pointless pot shots at me doesn't matter. So either deal with what I post or get the hell out. Plain as that.

Morehead State
11-23-2010, 09:45 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's lossJUST to call out other posters andsay he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense. </P>


Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread. uh oh, you dont want to insult latino...he has been known to carry brass knuckles in his culo He didn't insult me. He just likes to run his mouth like he's some sort of message board ambassador. He aint "s" to me . He can run his mouth all he wants. If he don't like what I post, TOO Fnn bad.</P>


The problem with you Mr. Heat is that you have a difficult time saying what you think.</P>


You need to be more direct so we know whats going on in your crown.</P>

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 09:53 PM
the funny thing is that Eli was one of the biggest reasons that the Giants were able to comeback and get ahead and he is also one of the biggest reasons they lost....</P>


<FONT color=#000080 size=4>Eli giveth....</FONT></P>


<FONT color=#000080 size=4>Eli taketh away....</FONT></P>

As one poster said, wouldn't that make him a hot or cold qb? A hit or miss? I would think being a 1st round pick there would be some sort of consistency at some level of his game but with Eli you don't know what you're going to get. Is that something teams should throw a $100 million dollars too? In the long run, we pay for that. So why shouldn't we be critical of Eli when he does bad? Even so, i praise him when he does good..

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 10:01 PM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</P>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up.* With tongues if necessary.</P>

Lance would like that. I don't swing that way captain. Either way, he didn't understand why I even created this thread. If he was on a few weeks ago when you and I were battling away with other posters regarding Eli play he would understand and even so I dont care for him to even understand so again, either deal with what I post or stay the hell away from it.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 10:02 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night? cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?</P>


It was a dude not a woman</P>

No, actually it was your sister.

Damn, some people on this forum act like they're 5 years old.

Oh yeah, you started it.. :)

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 10:03 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night? cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?</P>


It was a dude not a woman</P>


No, actually it was your sister.</P>


don't think so . It's a kown fact you like*penis and balls....</P>

What's Kown?

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 10:05 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

nobody is hiding heat, keep the thong out of ur coolie

he had an awful game yesterday and infact i put it solely on him for the loss

still doesn't mean overall on the season hes playing like a beast and no im not trading him or would rather have Mike Vick (exposed) over him...

one game doesn't sway his whole body of work lol
It's culo.. HAHA Dude, im alright with Eli.. I wouldn't want any other qb.. Well, except Brady but you know what i mean. When he plays good we win. When he doesn't we lose. He's our offensive leader and has to start leading this offense in a positive direction. Our leader needs to lead by example.. Playing bad will have others playing bad as well.. That's all im saying.


listen i can barely speak and spell ameriKan, what makes u think i could type latinian?


but i just wanna know one thing

http://www.glogster.com/media/2/5/69/9/5690913.jpg

Hows the reunion?

[;)]


Hey Lance, the reunion is going better than I thought. Thanks for asking. I found out we're doing a calabo with your group Nsync in the summer....How are you and your boyfriend Reichem Lehmkuhl doing these days? Last I heard you were getting death threats since coming out the closet. http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/startracks/061106/lance_bass.jpg You guys look cute together in that pic :)</P>


The one on the far right is you</P>

Actually is far left.. The one on the right has long hair. Not my style.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-23-2010, 10:22 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's loss*JUST to call out other posters and*say he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense.* </P>


Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread. uh oh, you dont want to insult latino...he has been known to carry brass knuckles in his culo He didn't insult me. He just likes to run his mouth like he's some sort of message board ambassador. He aint "s" to me . He can run his mouth all he wants. If he don't like what I post, TOO Fnn bad.</P>


The problem with you Mr. Heat is that you have a difficult time saying what you think.</P>


You need to be more direct so we know whats going on in your crown.</P>

Ok..Let me try it for a second. This is what I think .. And I'm going to be straight up with everyone here ok...Here it is...

I want Eli to be a top 5 qb in the NFL. I understand there are the Brady's and Brees, and Peyton Mannings but outside of them 3, Eli can be way better than the rest of the qbs in the league. Problem is, he's still making bonehead decisions that just certainly drives me to pull every chin hair off my face. His deep balls are always underthrown and he can never hit a receiver in stride. I see Eli missing opportunities every single game and all I want is for him to be consistent. I know there will be mistakes, but his mistakes come in bunches and at an alarming rate. I can't stand to see him throw a ball at a receiver that's surrounded by defenders when he can either just throw it away if nobody is open or just quit staring one specific receiver an entire route. That's what makes Asante Samuel and Darren Sharper an Eli killer. I expect Eli to be good every game. Not great, or perfect, but just good enough. The offense depends on Eli. It doesn't tick without him. With that said, I'm happy he's our qb. I will be extremely happier if he got rid of the bonehead decision and mistakes and takes command of the entire offense. That's all i want..

Moorehead, how was that?

TheBlueGiant
11-23-2010, 10:22 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you? How are you gonna call posters out and then not say another thing for the night? cuz, there was a naked woman calling for me as i was creating this thread. I'm here off and on now though. What's your point? I asked for opinions. You didn't need mine right away. That's all you come up with ?</P>


It was a dude not a woman</P>


No, actually it was your sister.</P>


don't think so . It's a kown fact you likepenis and balls....</P>


i like men!!!</P>


yup</P>

FBomb
11-23-2010, 10:41 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's lossJUST to call out other posters andsay he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense. </P>


Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread.</P>


</P>


um......were you NOT asking for Eli supporters to "come out of hiding"? Am I not considered an Eli supporter? Did you think we were NOT going to respond to your childish rant?</P>


Not to mention, you've been here long enough to know how this works....it's a message board.....people have the privilege to respond to the thoughts and opinions of others....INCLUDING one's that think those opinions are asinine. If my opinion bothers you so much that you want me to stop responding, perhaps you should reconsider sharing YOUR opinion.</P>


No, I think I'll stink around for a while and see just how much of an *** you can make of yourself.</P>


</P>

FBomb
11-23-2010, 10:50 PM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</P>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up. With tongues if necessary.</P>


</P>


The issue is this asinie thread. He asked for confrontation and, me not agreeing with his choice to start such an asinine thread, was only happy to oblige him.</P>


You certainly must admit that he could have gotten his point across without all the chest thumping in the title. It's celebratory in nature and no one should celebrate this pastperformance.</P>

lawl
11-23-2010, 11:30 PM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</P>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up. With tongues if necessary.</P>


</P>


The issue is this asinie thread. He asked for confrontation and, me not agreeing with his choice to start such an asinine thread, was only happy to oblige him.</P>


You certainly must admit that he could have gotten his point across without all the chest thumping in the title. It's celebratory in nature and no one should celebrate this pastperformance.</P>


</P>


Not to mention the term eli "supporters" because as far as I know every Giant fan should be a supporter of Eli, whether you like him or not.</P>

LaserFace
11-23-2010, 11:45 PM
Just because you support a team doesn't mean you have to agree with personnel decisions.

TheBlueGiant
11-23-2010, 11:53 PM
Just because you support a team doesn't mean you have to agree with personnel decisions.
</P>


just because you're an asswipe you don't have to share it withthe world</P>

Crazy 88
11-24-2010, 01:48 AM
I loves me some easy. Played his heart out there. wish I could say the same for or WRs especially my fav, Hakeem. Play-makers are not showing up, they are not shining. They're making Eli do it by himself. Awesome catch by BJ btw, didnt see that coming... shows you just how far Eli had to reach to get a play-maker the ball.

Eli TO Shockey
11-24-2010, 02:07 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</p>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's lossJUST to call out other posters andsay he's right?</p>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense. </p>


Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread. uh oh, you dont want to insult latino...he has been known to carry brass knuckles in his culo He didn't insult me. He just likes to run his mouth like he's some sort of message board ambassador. He aint "s" to me . He can run his mouth all he wants. If he don't like what I post, TOO Fnn bad.</p>


The problem with you Mr. Heat is that you have a difficult time saying what you think.</p>


You need to be more direct so we know whats going on in your crown.</p>

Ok..Let me try it for a second. This is what I think .. And I'm going to be straight up with everyone here ok...Here it is...

I want Eli to be a top 5 qb in the NFL. I understand there are the Brady's and Brees, and Peyton Mannings but outside of them 3, Eli can be way better than the rest of the qbs in the league. Problem is, he's still making bonehead decisions that just certainly drives me to pull every chin hair off my face. His deep balls are always underthrown and he can never hit a receiver in stride. I see Eli missing opportunities every single game and all I want is for him to be consistent. I know there will be mistakes, but his mistakes come in bunches and at an alarming rate. I can't stand to see him throw a ball at a receiver that's surrounded by defenders when he can either just throw it away if nobody is open or just quit staring one specific receiver an entire route. That's what makes Asante Samuel and Darren Sharper an Eli killer. I expect Eli to be good every game. Not great, or perfect, but just good enough. The offense depends on Eli. It doesn't tick without him. With that said, I'm happy he's our qb. I will be extremely happier if he got rid of the bonehead decision and mistakes and takes command of the entire offense. That's all i want..

Moorehead, how was that?

well said, you're getting better at this! [Y]

Eli2Nicks4TD
11-24-2010, 04:13 AM
Eli had 4 amazing games in the playoffs and Super Bowl. Defenses came up to the line to stop the run and force Eli to beat them.Elidid. His luck would not have lasted one more quarter. Outside of those 4 games, Eli has been mediocre to poor. Eli's performance in the NFC Divisional against the Eagles is the norm, not the exception.

Diamondring
11-24-2010, 06:00 AM
Eli just needs to realize that all receivers are not the same so he has to be real careful of the passes he throws. I also want to defend some of Eli'sinaccurate passesby sayingthat the qbcan't throw the ballbetween the wrs'numbers all of the time because of where the defender is at. If the defender is close to the wr or at a postion where he can jump and ints the ball, ithas to be thrown at a certain spot so the defender won't be able toget it. </P>

Diamondring
11-24-2010, 06:05 AM
Eli had 4 amazing games in the playoffs and Super Bowl. Defenses came up to the line to stop the run and force Eli to beat them.Elidid. His luck would not have lasted one more quarter. Outside of those 4 games, Eli has been mediocre to poor. Eli's performance in the NFC Divisional against the Eagles is the norm, not the exception.I see where you are getting at. Yet we need to look at the games inorder to judge Eli because like I have said in the post I made before this one is that Eli can't throw the ball between the wrs numbers all of the time so some of those passes need to be high or at the spot where the defender won't be able to get it. </P>


Eli also had a lot of balls being bat down before his Superbowl run and win so Eli is making sure that those balls do not be bat down all of the time. This may be one of the reasons why he tends to throw the ball high at times.</P>

elismom
11-24-2010, 08:04 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

his play was awful. Slid like my fem sister

But are you kidding me with this?

Guy played through grade 3 seperation and then planter fasciwhatever. Look around the league, Gates is out 3 weeks with that.

Eli has been everything we couldhave expected

Not to metnion he will shatter every giant qb record for the giants and has super bowl mvp. He will be in Canton one day.

I only respoded because you called me out but truth be told there is no need anymore

Morehead State
11-24-2010, 08:19 AM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</P>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up. With tongues if necessary.</P>


</P>


The issue is this asinie thread. He asked for confrontation and, me not agreeing with his choice to start such an asinine thread, was only happy to oblige him.</P>


You certainly must admit that he could have gotten his point across without all the chest thumping in the title. It's celebratory in nature and no one should celebrate this pastperformance.</P>


</P>


He's very provocative. And he's bold in his language. When did that become a bad thing?</P>


It makes his posts more interesting and I think thats good on a MB.</P>


And don't forget that this was a result of a previous thread a few weeks ago where he was called every name in the book for suggesting that Eli should protect the ball better. I understand his resentment of that. I was called a few things there for suggesting the same thing.</P>


Of course, I'm more "evolved".</P>

RoanokeFan
11-24-2010, 08:40 AM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</p>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up. With tongues if necessary.</p>

Tongues, as in......Wouldn't we have to run that by Harooni? Just sayin [:$]

MattMeyerBud
11-24-2010, 09:06 AM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</p>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up. With tongues if necessary.</p>

Lance would like that. I don't swing that way captain. Either way, he didn't understand why I even created this thread. If he was on a few weeks ago when you and I were battling away with other posters regarding Eli play he would understand and even so I dont care for him to even understand so again, either deal with what I post or stay the hell away from it.


http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa120/meyerbud/mmb.gif


no resemblence to lance bass... you on the other hand?

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Eli2Nicks4TD
11-24-2010, 01:26 PM
Eli had 4 amazing games in the playoffs and Super Bowl. Defenses came up to the line to stop the run and force Eli to beat them.Elidid. His luck would not have lasted one more quarter. Outside of those 4 games, Eli has been mediocre to poor. Eli's performance in the NFC Divisional against the Eagles is the norm, not the exception.I see where you are getting at. Yet we need to look at the games inorder to judge Eli because like I have said in the post I made before this one is that Eli can't throw the ball between the wrs numbers all of the time so some of those passes need to be high or at the spot where the defender won't be able to get it. </P>


Eli also had a lot of balls being bat down before his Superbowl run and win so Eli is making sure that those balls do not be bat down all of the time. This may be one of the reasons why he tends to throw the ball high at times.</P>


I was hoping someone would call me out on my bold comment so I could hit them over the head with this:</P>


In Eli's Super Bowl MVP year, he had 20 INTs and 9 fumbles with a QB rating of 73.9. His career QB rating is 80.2. That's worth $100 million? Jason Campbell's career QB rating is higher with the Skins and Raiders.</P>

Ruttiger711
11-24-2010, 01:40 PM
Eli had 4 amazing games in the playoffs and Super Bowl.* Defenses came up to the line to stop the run and force Eli to beat them.**Eli*did.* His luck would not have lasted one more quarter.* Outside of those 4 games, Eli has been mediocre to poor.* Eli's performance in the NFC Divisional against the Eagles is the norm, not the exception.*I see where you are getting at. Yet we need to look at the games inorder to judge Eli because like I have said in the post I made before this one is that Eli can't throw the ball between the wrs numbers all of the time so some of those passes need to be high or at the spot where the defender won't be able to get it. </P>


*Eli also had a lot of balls being bat down before his Superbowl run and win so Eli is making sure that those balls do not be bat down all of the time. This may be one of the reasons why he tends to throw the ball high at times.</P>


I was hoping someone would call me out on my bold comment so I could hit them over the head with this:</P>


In Eli's Super Bowl MVP year, he had 20 INTs and 9 fumbles with a QB rating of 73.9.* His career QB rating is 80.2.* That's worth $100 million?* Jason Campbell's career QB rating is higher with the Skins and Raiders.</P>

So then say it.

Say that Jason Cambell is a better qb. With your stats that you just bonked me over the head with - you would have no reason not to.

Marvelousmik
11-24-2010, 01:48 PM
Eli fans hiding? I bet the second a good qb like Eli has a bad game most fans are supportive. As a former ny resident I can really see how brutal u guys r! The second something goes wrong, "throw coughing out" blah blah. Ask the mets how that went?

I think everyone agrees defense was great. However the secondary is obviously still exposed. O line is protecting Eli but not creating holes for the run for the last 3 games. I will say I have no idea why we tried to run so much after Philly showed
how well they stopped the run. Overall the Philly defense played. Except last night, we are producing a ton of offense so I'm not to worried. I figured we'd split series with Philly, just hoping we can come thru on second game.

Plenty of games left...Nice post. The best QB in footbal had 3int yesterday and lost the game at the end with one of those int. I don't here Colt fans saying draft another QB, Peyton sucks or anything like that. Eli made a horrendous play at the end cause he cant seem to fall on his own and hold on to the ball. Bad play yes, he still will rebound and win us a lot more games this season I firmly believe. But your right we need to get DDiehl back and fast. Booth is definitely not producing well. The run game can't get going. And Bradshaw continues to fumble.

The heading on this thread is totally ridiculous.

you talking about peyton? The guy who has 20 touchdowns and only 7 interceptions so far this year? The guy who has 3059 passing yards, which is second int he NFL? The one who has no defense or running game and has to constantly put up 28 points of offense every game to have a chance?

is that the guy?

Eli2Nicks4TD
11-24-2010, 01:59 PM
I see where you are getting at. Yet we need to look at the games inorder to judge Eli because like I have said in the post I made before this one is that Eli can't throw the ball between the wrs numbers all of the time so some of those passes need to be high or at the spot where the defender won't be able to get it. </P>


Eli also had a lot of balls being bat down before his Superbowl run and win so Eli is making sure that those balls do not be bat down all of the time. This may be one of the reasons why he tends to throw the ball high at times.</P>


I was hoping someone would call me out on my bold comment so I could hit them over the head with this:</P>


In Eli's Super Bowl MVP year, he had 20 INTs and 9 fumbles with a QB rating of 73.9. His career QB rating is 80.2. That's worth $100 million? Jason Campbell's career QB rating is higher with the Skins and Raiders.</P> So then say it. Say that Jason Cambell is a better qb. With your stats that you just bonked me over the head with - you would have no reason not to.Well, you didn't call me out. You just rationalized some of Eli's blunders. I'm just saying Eli is about as special as any of the dime-a-dozen QBs in the NFL. The specialQBs are Brady, Peyton, Brees, and Rivers who could make nobodies like Collie look like Jerry Rice and don't have the easy excuse of "no one to throw to" like Eli STILL has with Manningham, Nicks, Smith, and Boss.

Ruttiger711
11-24-2010, 02:07 PM
I see where you are getting at. Yet we need to look at the games inorder to judge Eli because like I have said in the post I made before this one is that Eli can't throw the ball between the wrs numbers all of the time so some of those passes need to be high or at the spot where the defender won't be able to get it. </P>


*Eli also had a lot of balls being bat down before his Superbowl run and win so Eli is making sure that those balls do not be bat down all of the time. This may be one of the reasons why he tends to throw the ball high at times.</P>


I was hoping someone would call me out on my bold comment so I could hit them over the head with this:</P>


In Eli's Super Bowl MVP year, he had 20 INTs and 9 fumbles with a QB rating of 73.9.* His career QB rating is 80.2.* That's worth $100 million?* Jason Campbell's career QB rating is higher with the Skins and Raiders.</P> So then say it. Say that Jason Cambell is a better qb. With your stats that you just bonked me over the head with - you would have no reason not to.Well, you didn't call me out.* You just rationalized some of Eli's blunders.* I'm just saying Eli is about as special as any of the dime-a-dozen QBs in the NFL.* The special*QBs are Brady, Peyton, Brees, and Rivers who could make nobodies like Collie look like Jerry Rice and don't have the easy excuse of "no one to throw to" like Eli STILL has with Manningham, Nicks, Smith, and Boss.*

Way to back-peddle.

You're throwing in Rivers with some pretty good company - hes having a stellar season so far but hes not in there with them - not talking about superbowls either... talking about critical games.

When has Collie ever looked like Jerry Rice?

...and to be clear NOW you're saying Campbell is NOT a better qb?

lawrenceS59
11-24-2010, 02:26 PM
You serouisly think Eli lost that game? Yeah he threw 3 ints and had a fumble but let's examine the whole team concept. First, Eli's playing behind a 2nd string line that has not been together for more than 3 weeks. Second, the giants run on 1st and run on 2nd and then put Eli in 3rd and long situations. I don't know if you actually watch football but its pretty hard to convert every 3rd and long especially when your #1 WR is out. Third, Eli's WRs cant catch. Manningham runs horrible routes. Hakeem goes out of bounds first drive on a long pass. Jacobs drops what could have potentially been a 1st down the play before Eli fumbled. Eli has been the type of QB that can "manage" a game. When our WRs don't catch the balls or keep theirfeet in or don't push the route deep enough it reflects poorly on Eli. Also when the line doesn't block for the running backs then the running backs can't run. Which then puts Eli is a really bad position. But at the end of the day I think Eli gives us a very good chance at winning every single week. I wish the Giants would allow Eli to come out throwing the ball, push the DBs back and get the 8 and some times 9 guys out of the box. So that the running backs can actually ...RUN! Overall, Eli had a poor game but the supporting cast was even worse!</p>

DONT Make an excuse and Call this a second string O-line. MOST OF YALL WANTED DIEHL OUT THE LINEUP....now when we cant run the ball and get the holes like we use to, We make an excuse about Injuries. Yea U right Eli isnt the only culprit, this team has other issues as well. But for us to contain Vick the way we did, and to stink that bad on Offensive is inexcusable. I kept telling Every1 that Diehl is very important, becuase he does a decent job in the running game. Dont make that 2nd string O-Line excuse....Yall wanted Andrews in, and Seubert has had many snaps including in the Preason Season as a Center

Inexcusable eh? All I'll say is this....Duke Calhoun...Derek Hagan. That is all.

Bashum_Blue
11-24-2010, 03:22 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

Aww I dunno bubba. I'm hiding with your girlfriend watching the 2007 Superbowl.... Moron.

FBomb
11-24-2010, 04:20 PM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</P>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up. With tongues if necessary.</P>


</P>


The issue is this asinie thread. He asked for confrontation and, me not agreeing with his choice to start such an asinine thread, was only happy to oblige him.</P>


You certainly must admit that he could have gotten his point across without all the chest thumping in the title. It's celebratory in nature and no one should celebrate this pastperformance.</P>


</P>


He's very provocative. And he's bold in his language. When did that become a bad thing?</P>


It makes his posts more interesting and I think thats good on a MB.</P>


And don't forget that this was a result of a previous thread a few weeks ago where he was called every name in the book for suggesting that Eli should protect the ball better. I understand his resentment of that. I was called a few things there for suggesting the same thing.</P>


Of course, I'm more "evolved".</P>


</P>


I had nothing to do with what happened a few weeks ago, but itsounds he's too sensetive to be posting his opinion if it leads to threads like this. Again...this thread is celebrating the bad play of our team. SAYING Eli played badly is one thing...taking pleasurein it just so you can rub it in someone's face that you were right is quite another. </P>


I neversaid he was a "bad poster", and I ususally don't challange his opinionsd,butTHIS thread deserves what it gets.</P>

THEMASTER
11-24-2010, 04:26 PM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?

Oh they will be back after the next win, quoting his stats......he's killing the NYFG's.....he is for sure no Steve Young, or Phil Simms.....they need to bring Simms inhouse to rattle his cage and get a little life in that corpse that wears #10. They the (Eli Lovers of America) love to talk about his SBMVP....he did not deserve it, the defense and the Oline deserved it, but network and nfl ratings demanded a "Brand Name".

appodictic
11-24-2010, 08:04 PM
They just have to work on his slides. I was really happy with how he tucked and ran this week and one run last. He fumbled just like this last year. You would think the giants coaches would practice scrambling a little with him,

Latinoshockeyfan
11-25-2010, 09:04 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</P>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's loss*JUST to call out other posters and*say he's right?</P>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense.* </P>


Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread.</P>


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um......were you NOT asking for Eli supporters to "come out of hiding"?* Am I not considered an Eli supporter?* Did you think we were NOT going to respond to your childish rant?</P>


Not to mention, you've been here long enough to know how this works....it's a message board.....people have the privilege to respond to the thoughts and opinions of others....INCLUDING one's that think those opinions are asinine.* If my opinion bothers you so much that you want me to stop responding, perhaps you should reconsider sharing YOUR opinion.</P>


No, I think I'll stink around for a while and see just how much of an *** you can make of yourself.</P>


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Your first post to this thread was asinine. Try sticking with the topic instead of being an *****.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-25-2010, 09:11 AM
I'm very upset that two of my favorite posters are at odds with each other.</P>


We need to get Latino and FBomb to kiss and make up.* With tongues if necessary.</P>


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The issue is this asinie thread.* He asked for confrontation and, me not agreeing with his choice to start such an asinine thread, was only happy to oblige him.</P>


You certainly must admit that he could have gotten his point across without all the chest thumping in the title.* It's celebratory in nature and no one should celebrate this past*performance.</P>

again, if you felt it was asinine, you should have just stayed away. Instead, you chose to be an *****.. I made comments about the play and you come back with stuff about me.. How stupid does that sound..Not once did I made fun or was happy about the performance of the offense. I wanted opinions. You chose to be ignorant first like you always do. Like i said, you don't like what i posted. TOO FNN BAD ...There aint crap you can do about it. So deal with it.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-25-2010, 09:13 AM
Just because you support a team doesn't mean you have to agree with personnel decisions.
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just because you're an asswipe you don't have to share it with*the world</P>

That includes you. Laserface made a good point and you act like an a-whipe to him. Typical around here.

Latinoshockeyfan
11-25-2010, 09:15 AM
what are your thoughts now? Quit hiding. I want to know what you think of his play today. Although I think we lost as a team but the most embarrassing thing was the same bonehead plays i kept telling you about a few weeks ago.. Where are you?</p>


Is there anything more pathetic than a "fan" taking pleasure in his favorite team's loss*JUST to call out other posters and*say he's right?</p>


And trust me.....there is NO ONE here hiding from YOU.......most of the time people just ignore the posters who have a reputation of posting mostly nonsense.* </p>


Who died and made you the internet police? You don't like what I posted, stay the "F" off the thread. Simple as that. If you have something to add about Eli then speak boy. If not, carry your culo off this thread. uh oh, you dont want to insult latino...he has been known to carry brass knuckles in his culo He didn't insult me. He just likes to run his mouth like he's some sort of message board ambassador. He aint "s" to me . He can run his mouth all he wants. If he don't like what I post, TOO Fnn bad.</p>


The problem with you Mr. Heat is that you have a difficult time saying what you think.</p>


You need to be more direct so we know whats going on in your crown.</p>

Ok..Let me try it for a second. This is what I think .. And I'm going to be straight up with everyone here ok...Here it is...

I want Eli to be a top 5 qb in the NFL. I understand there are the Brady's and Brees, and Peyton Mannings but outside of them 3, Eli can be way better than the rest of the qbs in the league. Problem is, he's still making bonehead decisions that just certainly drives me to pull every chin hair off my face. His deep balls are always underthrown and he can never hit a receiver in stride. I see Eli missing opportunities every single game and all I want is for him to be consistent. I know there will be mistakes, but his mistakes come in bunches and at an alarming rate. I can't stand to see him throw a ball at a receiver that's surrounded by defenders when he can either just throw it away if nobody is open or just quit staring one specific receiver an entire route. That's what makes Asante Samuel and Darren Sharper an Eli killer. I expect Eli to be good every game. Not great, or perfect, but just good enough. The offense depends on Eli. It doesn't tick without him. With that said, I'm happy he's our qb. I will be extremely happier if he got rid of the bonehead decision and mistakes and takes command of the entire offense. That's all i want..

Moorehead, how was that?

well said, you're getting better at this! [Y]


The only difference is i made it sound more positive than i really wanted too only because I know posters on here get all soft when I talk about their baby Eli.