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nycsportzfan
01-08-2011, 08:29 AM
Well, in what has become a Fun traditon on these boards, i decided to start this yrs SLEEPER thread for the 2011 NFL DRAFT... It was a awesome thread last yr, and its meant for mid to later rd guys who people think are gonna make it in the pro's and help our club or a club... Dosen't have to be Super Star, just a guy or guys who will make it and help and become known on the next level...

A guy i'm liking right now for a 6th-7th and maybe 5th if he does good at the Shrine Game and in Pre Draft workouts is DT TERRELL McCLAIN of S.FLORIDA... Hes got very good size and showed enough production to warrent middish to late rd consideration in hopes of finding a gem..McClain offers a nice mix of Run Stopping and at causing havoc in his penetration.. Coach Holtz said Measurable wise, McClain may be the best prospect they have to offer in this yrs draft.. Watch for him to make some noise in moving up some on the way toward the draft... Think 4th-6th rd with a ceiling of 3rd rd if everything in the world works out


Another player i like for the later rounds is Notre Dame CB Darrin Walls.. I've watched him his whole career as a diehard ND fan, and hes got SUNDAY potential.. Not afraid to mix it up in run support with his solid CB SIZE(6ft 190lb), and plays the ball very well in the air... Very expierenced, and easily the best Player in Notre Dames Secondary... Very solid ST player at ND.. Can play man as well as most CB's in college ball, and has nice speed and agility... A Solid all around player.. Think 4th-6th rd

One more Sleeper for now that i'll mention is Louisville TE Cameron Graham... Hes become one of my fave TE prospects out there, with his length and hands... Had 10games of at least 3catches and can block pretty solidly.. OC mike sanford has said, hes a good blend of on the line blocking TE and recevier, and also mentions, hes not the biggest TE, but he works his but off... Graham was highly recruited jr college player, getting scholarship offers from LSU and Arizona st, but chose Louisville due to playing more quickly... A definete player to keep a eye on going forward... Think 5th-7th with ceiling of late 4th...

juice33s
01-08-2011, 11:45 AM
Nate Irving MLB NC state- His nick name is the "Predator", gotta love it. Irving recovered from a near death car crash in 2009 (broken ribs, leg and puncured lung) to have a monster 2010 in which he was voted All-American by SI and Scout.com.

The guys also noted for his commitment to the game and ability to be a player coach....In other words he's the Ray Lewis type leader our defense has been waiting for.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU</a>

myles2424
01-08-2011, 12:34 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state- His nick name is the "Predator", gotta love it. Irving recovered from a near death car crash in 2009 (broken ribs, leg and puncured lung) to have a monster 2010 in which he was voted All-American by SI and Scout.com.

The guys also noted for his commitment to the game and ability to be a player coach....In other words he's the Ray Lewis type leader our defense has been waiting for.
<A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU</A>
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I was going to say Nate Irving &amp; Mario Harvey....</P>


Harvey has been a beast this year at MLB for Marshall.....144 tackles...9 Sacks...7 PD's...</P>

juice33s
01-08-2011, 12:52 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state- His nick name is the "Predator", gotta love it. Irving recovered from a near death car crash in 2009 (broken ribs, leg and puncured lung) to have a monster 2010 in which he was voted All-American by SI and Scout.com.

The guys also noted for his commitment to the game and ability to be a player coach....In other words he's the Ray Lewis type leader our defense has been waiting for.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU</a>
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I was going to say Nate Irving &amp; Mario Harvey....</p>


Harvey has been a beast this year at MLB for Marshall.....144 tackles...9 Sacks...7 PD's...</p>
I think both guys could make or break their draft stock at the combine...irving needs to show he's fully regained his athleticism from the crash and Harvey needs to show he has enough speed to be an every down player.

par404
01-08-2011, 12:59 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.

Neverend
01-08-2011, 01:23 PM
Was going to say mario harvey as well. A little underrated. Haven't seen a lot of him this year tho but he's a machine (and a little short, heavy, and not good in coverage) but a terrific run stuffer</P>


For now I'd go with LB Casey Matthews. He's the middle LB for the oregon ducks, but nobody likes to talk about him. This guy has tremendous instincts, he's very good at shooting gaps, and takes on and shedsblocks extremely well. Unlike some of the LBs in this class, Matthews meets RBs straight on for the tackle and drives them back instead of dragging them down and giving HBs 3-5 extra yards of forward progress. Oregon's head coach Chip kelly called him the most instinctual player he has coached. Matthews also has NFL bloodlines too as he's the brother of clay matthews. He's not an elite athlete but he's pretty good in coverage. He's not a great pass rusher but he just has a knack of getting to the QB, he is always unblocked... matthews is great at reading blocks and finding a lane to rush the passer. I love this kid and is one of my biggest sleepers (As far as LBs go) in this draft class. Right now he has 5th round value and will be an absolute steal for whatever team drafts him. Hopefully its the giants. I think he's going to have a big game this monday against auburn</P>

Neverend
01-08-2011, 01:30 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
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Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that</P>

thegreatone
01-08-2011, 02:15 PM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

OT) Joseph Barksdale LSU
Marcus Gilbert Florida
Christian Hairston Clem
William Rackley Lehigh

OG) Steve Schilling Mich
Justin Boren OSU

C) Zane Taylor Utah (41 reps at pro day, giddy-up)
ryan bartholomew Syr
Tim Barnes Mizzo
Stefen wisneiwski PSU (only reason why im putting him is cause i heard he has been falling)


DE) Sam Acho Texas
Pernell Mcphee Miss St. (if he goes 3-4 and adds weight i think he ideal there)
Ricky Elmore Ari.
Mario Addison Troy

DT) Chris Neild WVU
Ollie Ogbu PSU

OLB) Eric Gordon Mich ST
Jerimiah Hunter Iowa
Kenny Rowe Ore.
D.J. Smith Appalachian ST
Brian Rolle OSU

ILB) Alex Wujciak Maryland

CB) Demarcus Van *** U
Byron Maxwell Clem
Ryan Jones NW Missouri ST
Buster Skrine
Kendric Burney UNC

S) Dom Diccico Pitt
Brian Lainhardt Kent
Andrew Rich BYU
Tejay Johnson TCU
Mark Legree Ap ST


That this years crop

myles2424
01-08-2011, 02:16 PM
Was going to say mario harvey as well. A little underrated. Haven't seen a lot of him this year tho but he's a machine (and a little short, heavy, and not good in coverage) but a terrific run stuffer</P>


For now I'd go with LB Casey Matthews. He's the middle LB for the oregon ducks, but nobody likes to talk about him. This guy has tremendous instincts, he's very good at shooting gaps, and takes on and shedsblocks extremely well. Unlike some of the LBs in this class, Matthews meets RBs straight on for the tackle and drives them back instead of dragging them down and giving HBs 3-5 extra yards of forward progress. Oregon's head coach Chip kelly called him the most instinctual player he has coached. Matthews also has NFL bloodlines too as he's the brother of clay matthews. He's not an elite athlete but he's pretty good in coverage. He's not a great pass rusher but he just has a knack of getting to the QB, he is always unblocked... matthews is great at reading blocks and finding a lane to rush the passer. I love this kid and is one of my biggest sleepers (As far as LBs go) in this draft class. Right now he has 5th round value and will be an absolute steal for whatever team drafts him. Hopefully its the giants. I think he's going to have a big game this monday against auburn</P>


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I think Mathews is slowly gaining more &amp; more hype...If he has a good game in the National Championship &amp; good combine he could end up in the 3rd round..</P>

bigblueandtrue22
01-08-2011, 02:22 PM
Anthony Walters-Delaware FS

thegreatone
01-08-2011, 02:29 PM
starting early arent we NYC? :P

guy i really like(for us) is Derrick locke outta kentucky. small speedy and good receiver outta the backfeild. havent seen too many Kentucky games but the couple i have (including the one right now) he has looked promising.

another guy ive been mentioning for awhile vai taua from nevada. guy is great after first contact and while im sure some of his production is attributed to the pistol offense he is still a VERY tough runner. his teamate kaepernick(sp?) is another guy who is interesting to me.

Tyrod taylor is another "project QB" i like. Love his athleticism and even though he has wheels he always keeps his eyes DOWNFEILD, which is rare in a scrambler that young.

Te fleener from stanford is someone i will be keeping an eye out for. Havent seen him on any mock draft boards but after his bowl performance im hoping he is not done with football.

OT barksdale

OG Moffitt

C Barnes

OLB jerimiah hunter and dontay moch (if he goes to a 3-4)

TheEnigma
01-08-2011, 03:45 PM
I see maybe a couple college games a year so I don't know too many of the players other than the 1st few rounds. I noticed that the RB John Clay is a pretty big back from Wisconsin. Is he any good?

thegreatone
01-08-2011, 04:26 PM
I see maybe a couple college games a year so I don't know too many of the players other than the 1st few rounds. I noticed that the RB John Clay is a pretty big back from Wisconsin. Is he any good?VERY good but i dont think he is expected to declare

Neverend
01-08-2011, 04:32 PM
starting early arent we NYC? :P

guy i really like(for us) is Derrick locke outta kentucky. small speedy and good receiver outta the backfeild. havent seen too many Kentucky games but the couple i have (including the one right now) he has looked promising.
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i really like derrick locke. this guy is blazing fast, gotta love undersized backs. unfortunately not a great between the tackles runner but you gotta love how plays aggressive there even though he's not good at it. he is also good running routes, wouldnt be bad as a pass catching back. I think he can even be a punt returner</P>

juice33s
01-08-2011, 08:14 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
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Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that</p>
Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.

Neverend
01-08-2011, 08:47 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
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Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that</P>



Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
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Those are some impressive stats, but when you watch him play he's more of a WLB. He's pretty good in coverage, very fast, extremely good at shooting gaps because of his speed (which is how he gets his TFL's), plays sideline to sideline,etc. reminds me of michael boley actually. but idk, heisnt that great at taking on blocks. his technique isnt very good, he plays very high sometimes and his hand technique isnt very good. tho ill admit, ive only seen maybe 2-3 n.carolina games this year including the bowl game where I've paid attention to him the most. He's a terrific leader but sturdivant still has to be the best LB in this draft dude</P>


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juice33s
01-08-2011, 09:43 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
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Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that</p>



Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
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Those are some impressive stats, but when you watch him play he's more of a WLB. He's pretty good in coverage, very fast, extremely good at shooting gaps because of his speed (which is how he gets his TFL's), plays sideline to sideline,etc. reminds me of michael boley actually. but idk, heisnt that great at taking on blocks. his technique isnt very good, he plays very high sometimes and his hand technique isnt very good. tho ill admit, ive only seen maybe 2-3 n.carolina games this year including the bowl game where I've paid attention to him the most. He's a terrific leader but sturdivant still has to be the best LB in this draft dude</p>


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Then I suggest you watch him a little more closely, the dudes a freakin beast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUk4VHIwGY 2 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMO_dMLopkY&amp;feature=related last season

Neverend
01-08-2011, 10:25 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
</P>


Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that</P>



Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
</P>


Those are some impressive stats, but when you watch him play he's more of a WLB. He's pretty good in coverage, very fast, extremely good at shooting gaps because of his speed (which is how he gets his TFL's), plays sideline to sideline,etc. reminds me of michael boley actually. but idk, heisnt that great at taking on blocks. his technique isnt very good, he plays very high sometimes and his hand technique isnt very good. tho ill admit, ive only seen maybe 2-3 n.carolina games this year including the bowl game where I've paid attention to him the most. He's a terrific leader but sturdivant still has to be the best LB in this draft dude</P>


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Then I suggest you watch him a little more closely, the dudes a freakin beast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYUk4VHIwGY 2 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMO_dMLopkY&amp;feature=related last season
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Gotta admit, this kidlooks good. My opinion still stands however. He reminds me EXACTLY of jamar chaney coming out lol. This guy is great, shows good instincts in coverage with that pick 6 read the QB beautifully and broke on the ball at blazing speed. Great speed, good athlete. Can slip through blocks and avoid them well. His problems are taking on/shedding blocks, he's not good at it. That's a necessity for an ILB. He would be at his best in the NFL at WLB. He also plays to high and in the nfl olineman are gonna cut block him all day very easily. </P>

slipknottin
01-09-2011, 01:59 AM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.


He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.

Captain Chaos
01-09-2011, 09:44 AM
Nate Irving MLB NC state- His nick name is the "Predator", gotta love it. Irving recovered from a near death car crash in 2009 (broken ribs, leg and puncured lung) to have a monster 2010 in which he was voted All-American by SI and Scout.com.

The guys also noted for his commitment to the game and ability to be a player coach....In other words he's the Ray Lewis type leader our defense has been waiting for.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU">
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otgKKqUcWhU</a>


Juice, awesome selection....will be watching this lad....

juice33s
01-09-2011, 10:33 AM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.


He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.
If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him

thegreatone
01-09-2011, 10:38 AM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.


He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.MAYBE early third but i bet you anything after more tape watching,combine, workouts he is a 2nd easily. no way he makes it to 4th.

slipknottin
01-09-2011, 10:41 AM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.


He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.
If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him


He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better

juice33s
01-09-2011, 11:29 AM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.


He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.
If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him


He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better
I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers

slipknottin
01-09-2011, 11:49 AM
>I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers


I dont think hes significantly better athlete than Sheppard is, and the production thing doesnt matter all that much.

nycsportzfan
01-09-2011, 01:26 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
i wouldnt really consider him a sleeper. too good. guy is a beast and if we dont get quan or bruce he is another one im targeting. as you can tell im a carolinian as well:P
i'm with you, nate irving is a 3rd rd pick at the latest.. This threads for guys going more likely later then that.. Irving is a beast...

Neverend
01-09-2011, 02:02 PM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.
If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better
I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
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I can't really start an argument this year since I admittedlly haven't watched much of nate irving but you're underestiminating sturdivant here. hes not a great athlete but the kid is a great player. has solid instincts andhas pretty good speed (i think he'll run a 4.5 in the draft) and can run sideline to sideline too. irving doesnt do anything that much better thanhim and sturdivant is much better against the run</P>

thegreatone
01-09-2011, 02:25 PM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.
If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better
I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
</p>


I can't really start an argument this year since I admittedlly haven't watched much of nate irving but you're underestiminating sturdivant here. hes not a great athlete but the kid is a great player. has solid instincts andhas pretty good speed (i think he'll run a 4.5 in the draft) and can run sideline to sideline too. irving doesnt do anything that much better thanhim and sturdivant is much better against the run</p>
eh they are about even imo but edge goes to quan who is much smoother in pass defense(although nate is no slouch). tell you what, whoever gets either has significantly upgraded their interior lb'r corps

juice33s
01-09-2011, 03:12 PM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.
If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better
I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
</p>


I can't really start an argument this year since I admittedlly haven't watched much of nate irving but you're underestiminating sturdivant here. hes not a great athlete but the kid is a great player. has solid instincts andhas pretty good speed (i think he'll run a 4.5 in the draft) and can run sideline to sideline too. irving doesnt do anything that much better thanhim and sturdivant is much better against the run</p>
eh they are about even imo but edge goes to quan who is much smoother in pass defense(although nate is no slouch). tell you what, whoever gets either has significantly upgraded their interior lb'r corps

I'm actually very impressed with Irving in pass defense. He has the instincts and acceleration to jump routes and he has proven to be athletic enough to stick with guys down the middle of the field.....I fully expect Irving to outperform Sturdivant at the combine and when he does it I think its going to be very hard for people to justify Sturdivant over Irving

thegreatone
01-09-2011, 03:46 PM
he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.
He's going to go in the 3rd or 4th round.
If he has a good combine he'll go in the second and challenge Sturdivant for top overall MLB....Personally I think he's already above him
He's in the same ballpark as Kelvin Sheppard. No better
I don't see how you can say that considering Irvings the better athlete and has had better production (same can be said in comparison to Sturdivant).......To me Sheppards too lanky with a weak lower body and he would have trouble disengaging from NFL blockers
</p>


I can't really start an argument this year since I admittedlly haven't watched much of nate irving but you're underestiminating sturdivant here. hes not a great athlete but the kid is a great player. has solid instincts andhas pretty good speed (i think he'll run a 4.5 in the draft) and can run sideline to sideline too. irving doesnt do anything that much better thanhim and sturdivant is much better against the run</p>
eh they are about even imo but edge goes to quan who is much smoother in pass defense(although nate is no slouch). tell you what, whoever gets either has significantly upgraded their interior lb'r corps

I'm actually very impressed with Irving in pass defense. He has the instincts and acceleration to jump routes and he has proven to be athletic enough to stick with guys down the middle of the field.....I fully expect Irving to outperform Sturdivant at the combine and when he does it I think its going to be very hard for people to justify Sturdivant over Irving
which is why i said he is no slouch himself. idk you could be right but right now quan is my favorite with irving a very very close 2nd.

thegreatone
01-09-2011, 03:49 PM
my favorite sleeper school is playing tonight..nevada! would be nice to see moch playing some lb'r but i doubt it.

Neverend
01-09-2011, 04:27 PM
my favorite sleeper school is playing tonight..nevada! would be nice to see moch playing some lb'r but i doubt it.
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Moch might be the most athletic LB in this class behind carter. Loads of upside. great speed, very good at shedding blocks... imo he's a bit raw tho, nevada uses him pass rushing most often. looking forward to watching the LBs in tonights bowl game</P>

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 05:35 PM
Finally getting my first look at James Starks. U talked about him during the draft last year and I have to say Im impressed. Good size,soft hands,can blockhe has a chance to be really good especially in GB. That is a perfect landing spot for a young RB. Grant is always hurt and I feel is a a replaceable back anyway.To bad he was banged up earlier in the year he might of put up some numbers.

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 05:40 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</P>


Brian Jackson CB</P>


Nate Collins DT</P>


Jim Cordle OL</P>

thegreatone
01-09-2011, 05:52 PM
Finally getting my first look at James Starks. U talked about him during the draft last year and I have to say Im impressed. Good size,soft hands,can blockhe has a chance to be really good especially in GB. That is a perfect landing spot for a young RB. Grant is always hurt and I feel is a a replaceable back anyway.To bad he was banged up earlier in the year he might of put up some numbers.yeah i was thinking the same thing "NYC's boy starks is looking good!". i had a few of mine get into camp as well. one was the cb from duke who failed his physical(lol). olineman from psu who's name i cant remember and am wondering if he is still on the ps.there was at least one more but i cant remember names worth **** and the thread was long gone awhile ago. am gonna save the thread this year ;)

thegreatone
01-09-2011, 05:53 PM
my favorite sleeper school is playing tonight..nevada! would be nice to see moch playing some lb'r but i doubt it.
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Moch might be the most athletic LB in this class behind carter. Loads of upside. great speed, very good at shedding blocks... imo he's a bit raw tho, nevada uses him pass rushing most often. looking forward to watching the LBs in tonights bowl game</p>
yeah he is very raw but with the right coaching i see superstardom for that kid.

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 06:31 PM
Finally getting my first look at James Starks. U talked about him during the draft last year and I have to say Im impressed. Good size,soft hands,can blockhe has a chance to be really good especially in GB. That is a perfect landing spot for a young RB. Grant is always hurt and I feel is a a replaceable back anyway.To bad he was banged up earlier in the year he might of put up some numbers.yeah i was thinking the same thing "NYC's boy starks is looking good!". i had a few of mine get into camp as well. one was the cb from duke who failed his physical(lol). olineman from psu who's name i cant remember and am wondering if he is still on the ps.there was at least one more but i cant remember names worth **** and the thread was long gone awhile ago. <FONT size=5>am gonna save the thread this year ;)
</FONT>He fits the Giants blocking style real well 2.. He has every down back skills very well rounded. </P>


All u have to do is remember to post on it periodicallyIm going to switch the name of my draft thread to "A look at the 2012 draft" when this ones over.Sportzfan should just change its name to somethinglike "Sleeper watch for the2012 draft" when the 11 draft is over. Then break down a guy to watch once every 2 weeks or so, Then the thread stays alive till the CFB season gets here and it gets posted on more.</P>

Neverend
01-09-2011, 06:37 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</P>


Brian Jackson CB</P>


Nate Collins DT</P>


Jim Cordle OL</P>


</P>


I LOVED nate collins coming out, very underrated. surprised he didnt get drafted in the first place, hopefully he does well in jacksonville</P>

nycsportzfan
01-09-2011, 07:43 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</p>


Brian Jackson CB</p>


Nate Collins DT</p>


Jim Cordle OL</p>


</p>


I LOVED nate collins coming out, very underrated. surprised he didnt get drafted in the first place, hopefully he does well in jacksonville</p> I called Nate Robinson the best UDF there was... I loved the dude... A sleeper i loved from last yr, James Straks, even sported his picture as my avatar for a bit, just beasted GB to a win in the Playoffs....

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 07:47 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</P>


Brian Jackson CB</P>


Nate Collins DT</P>


Jim Cordle OL</P>


</P>


I LOVED nate collins coming out, very underrated. surprised he didnt get drafted in the first place, hopefully he does well in jacksonville</P> I called Nate Robinson the best UDF there was... I loved the dude... A sleeper i loved from last yr, James Straks, even sported his picture as my avatar for a bit, just beasted GB to a win in the Playoffs....
What a game from James Starks to bad he was hurt most of the year. He could of did some damage with all those injuries. At least he finally got his chance today

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 07:47 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</P>


Brian Jackson CB</P>


Nate Collins DT</P>


Jim Cordle OL</P>


</P>


I LOVED nate collins coming out, very underrated. surprised he didnt get drafted in the first place, hopefully he does well in jacksonville</P> I called Nate Robinson the best UDF there was... I loved the dude... A sleeper i loved from last yr, James Straks, even sported his picture as my avatar for a bit, just beasted GB to a win in the Playoffs....
What a game from James Starks to bad he was hurt most of the year. He could of did some damage with all those injuries. At least he finally got his chance today. They blocked well for him but he had some runs where u could see that he had good vision. Where he picked his way for a few more yards.He has a real good build for a RB, I like those backs that are 6-0 215-225 .

juice33s
01-09-2011, 08:18 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</p>


Brian Jackson CB</p>


Nate Collins DT</p>


Jim Cordle OL</p>


</p>


I LOVED nate collins coming out, very underrated. surprised he didnt get drafted in the first place, hopefully he does well in jacksonville</p> I called Nate Robinson the best UDF there was... I loved the dude... A sleeper i loved from last yr, James Straks, even sported his picture as my avatar for a bit, just beasted GB to a win in the Playoffs....

you put Kiper and McShay to shame, seriously what's your secret?

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 08:32 PM
After watching Starks i wish i saw the safety u hyped from Buffalo

nycsportzfan
01-09-2011, 09:29 PM
Finally getting my first look at James Starks. U talked about him during the draft last year and I have to say Im impressed. Good size,soft hands,can blockhe has a chance to be really good especially in GB. That is a perfect landing spot for a young RB. Grant is always hurt and I feel is a a replaceable back anyway.To bad he was banged up earlier in the year he might of put up some numbers.ya, i seen him a bunch, and knew he was gonna be a good one, because his size and Hands outta the backfield...

nycsportzfan
01-09-2011, 09:31 PM
After watching Starks i wish i saw the safety u hyped from Buffalo Newton was a beast for Buffalo, hes on the Indy Practice Squad right now... I think he mite of even been on the active roster and played some, but could be wrong.. Its funny he was on INDY, because he totally reminds me of Bob Sanders.. I told ya the buffalo dudes were good! Davonte Shannon is very good as well...

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 09:33 PM
After watching Starks i wish i saw the safety u hyped from Buffalo Newton was a beast for Buffalo, hes on the Indy Practice Squad right now... I think he mite of even been on the active roster and played some, but could be wrong.. Its funny he was on INDY, because he totally reminds me of Bob Sanders.. I told ya the buffalo dudes were good! Davonte Shannon is very good as well...
It was Shannon I was talking about. He has the size I like from safeties and has production never seen him play though

nycsportzfan
01-09-2011, 09:34 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</p>


Brian Jackson CB</p>


Nate Collins DT</p>


Jim Cordle OL</p>


</p>


I LOVED nate collins coming out, very underrated. surprised he didnt get drafted in the first place, hopefully he does well in jacksonville</p> I called Nate Robinson the best UDF there was... I loved the dude... A sleeper i loved from last yr, James Straks, even sported his picture as my avatar for a bit, just beasted GB to a win in the Playoffs....

you put Kiper and McShay to shame, seriously what's your secret?
just to much time on my hands..

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 09:39 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</P>


Brian Jackson CB</P>


Nate Collins DT</P>


Jim Cordle OL</P>


</P>


I LOVED nate collins coming out, very underrated. surprised he didnt get drafted in the first place, hopefully he does well in jacksonville</P> I called Nate Robinson the best UDF there was... I loved the dude... A sleeper i loved from last yr, James Straks, even sported his picture as my avatar for a bit, just beasted GB to a win in the Playoffs....

you put Kiper and McShay to shame, seriously what's your secret?
just to much time on my hands..
lol

Neverend
01-09-2011, 09:43 PM
Herzlich forces a fumble

Redeyejedi
01-09-2011, 09:54 PM
3 out of the 6 guys I listed on here aslateroundfits for the Giants last year ended up on the team or practice squad</P>


Brian Jackson CB</P>


Nate Collins DT</P>


Jim Cordle OL</P>


</P>


I LOVED nate collins coming out, very underrated. surprised he didnt get drafted in the first place, hopefully he does well in jacksonville</P> I called Nate Robinson the best UDF there was... I loved the dude... A sleeper i loved from last yr, James Straks, even sported his picture as my avatar for a bit, just beasted GB to a win in the Playoffs....
My top guy from this thread was Tony Moeaki but the Chiefs ended up drafting him at the very end of the 3rd round.

nycsportzfan
01-09-2011, 10:08 PM
What a move by Virgil Green! ANother sleeper TE trying to make a last impression here, heading toward the draft.. A nice athletic TE

nycsportzfan
01-09-2011, 10:09 PM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..

Redeyejedi
01-10-2011, 07:52 AM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..
We should try to keep are draft threads open all year . Dont let this one die out change the name till 2012 Sleepers when this draft is over

Redeyejedi
01-10-2011, 07:54 AM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..
I would like to see the Giants get there hands on a back up QB that can move a little. Not sure how well they will do in Gilbrides system though. Im on board with this though

thegreatone
01-10-2011, 08:41 AM
my favorite sleeper school is playing tonight..nevada! would be nice to see moch playing some lb'r but i doubt it.
and of course i forgot...damn kinect

nycsportzfan
01-10-2011, 09:06 AM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..
We should try to keep are draft threads open all year . Dont let this one die out change the name till 2012 Sleepers when this draft is overthe problem is, i need help.. I have no problem doing it, but it almost has to be a small group effort.. We gotta make sure to post in here from time to time, so it don't dissapear.. I'm more then willing to do my part...

Redeyejedi
01-10-2011, 09:49 AM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..
We should try to keep are draft threads open all year . Dont let this one die out change the name till 2012 Sleepers when this draft is overthe problem is, i need help.. I have no problem doing it, but it almost has to be a small group effort.. We gotta make sure to post in here from time to time, so it don't dissapear.. I'm more then willing to do my part...
I will make sure I post on this at least once every 2 weeks. Even if its complete nonsense. Im going to changemy 2011 thread to 2012 and break down the positions for the 2012 draft and players to watch. We can do that on this thread as well but with sleeper guys to look out for and some games on the early seasonschedule that may be on TV to catch them in.

thegreatone
01-10-2011, 10:15 AM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..
We should try to keep are draft threads open all year . Dont let this one die out change the name till 2012 Sleepers when this draft is overthe problem is, i need help.. I have no problem doing it, but it almost has to be a small group effort.. We gotta make sure to post in here from time to time, so it don't dissapear.. I'm more then willing to do my part...

i bumped it several times last year so i have no problem

nycsportzfan
01-10-2011, 12:03 PM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..
We should try to keep are draft threads open all year . Dont let this one die out change the name till 2012 Sleepers when this draft is overthe problem is, i need help.. I have no problem doing it, but it almost has to be a small group effort.. We gotta make sure to post in here from time to time, so it don't dissapear.. I'm more then willing to do my part...
I will make sure I post on this at least once every 2 weeks. Even if its complete nonsense. Im going to changemy 2011 thread to 2012 and break down the positions for the 2012 draft and players to watch. We can do that on this thread as well but with sleeper guys to look out for and some games on the early seasonschedule that may be on TV to catch them in. Sounds good! You, Greatone and I should be able to keep this alive, and others like SLIP will follow and help as well, i'm sure.. I'm amped to see this thread when the players we talked about are playing in pro's...

Redeyejedi
01-10-2011, 12:23 PM
What do U think of Da' rel Scott of Maryland as a late round back? He was awesome in the Military Bowl. He was a split time back with former Giants player son Davin Megget

Neverend
01-10-2011, 12:56 PM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..
We should try to keep are draft threads open all year . Dont let this one die out change the name till 2012 Sleepers when this draft is overthe problem is, i need help.. I have no problem doing it, but it almost has to be a small group effort.. We gotta make sure to post in here from time to time, so it don't dissapear.. I'm more then willing to do my part...
I will make sure I post on this at least once every 2 weeks. Even if its complete nonsense. Im going to changemy 2011 thread to 2012 and break down the positions for the 2012 draft and players to watch. We can do that on this thread as well but with sleeper guys to look out for and some games on the early seasonschedule that may be on TV to catch them in. Sounds good! You, Greatone and I should be able to keep this alive, and others like SLIP will follow and help as well, i'm sure.. I'm amped to see this thread when the players we talked about are playing in pro's...
</P>


Wish discussions weren't deleted every few months, it would be fun to look back at last years</P>

thegreatone
01-10-2011, 03:24 PM
What do U think of Da' rel Scott of Maryland as a late round back? He was awesome in the Military Bowl. He was a split time back with former Giants player son Davin Meggetudfa maybe. all i like is his speed. poor vision, rarely makes guys miss, and isnt very impressive after first contact. idt he'll be more than a camp body.

Redeyejedi
01-10-2011, 03:39 PM
What do U think of Da' rel Scott of Maryland as a late round back? He was awesome in the Military Bowl. He was a split time back with former Giants player son Davin Meggetudfa maybe. all i like is his speed. poor vision, rarely makes guys miss, and isnt very impressive after first contact. idt he'll be more than a camp body.
his speed is what intruiges me.i really hope the giants draft another back in this draft

thegreatone
01-10-2011, 03:44 PM
What do U think of Da' rel Scott of Maryland as a late round back? He was awesome in the Military Bowl. He was a split time back with former Giants player son Davin Meggetudfa maybe. all i like is his speed. poor vision, rarely makes guys miss, and isnt very impressive after first contact. idt he'll be more than a camp body.
his speed is what intruiges me.i really hope the giants draft another back in this draftyes he is very fast. most of the games i saw he had HUGE lanes. id like to see more what he does when there isnt anything there (like our oline provides a lot of times).

thegreatone
01-10-2011, 03:50 PM
watch the 2nd run(really like this kid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZt7NMX74ig

vision,ability to make guys miss and , pure unadulterated speed

http://www.strimoo.com/video/14109788/Derrick-Locke-67-yard-TD-run-Veoh.html


brandon saine is another guy i like

as well as graig cooper but i think he is too good for the "sleeper thread"

Redeyejedi
01-11-2011, 01:13 PM
What do U think about Hawaii's Alex Green as a UDFA

Redeyejedi
01-11-2011, 01:20 PM
watch the 2nd run(really like this kid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZt7NMX74ig

vision,ability to make guys miss and , pure unadulterated speed

http://www.strimoo.com/video/14109788/Derrick-Locke-67-yard-TD-run-Veoh.html


brandon saine is another guy i like

as well as graig cooper but i think he is too good for the "sleeper thread"
</P>


Saine was a guy I thought when I saw him last year was going to be a good committee type back. He is a good receiver,blocker, has speed. Im not sure what happened with him. They were using him all crazy this year. I saw one game where he lined up as a WR,RB,TE, and FB all in just a few plays. He didnt really contribute and fell out of favor at Ohio State. He always seemed to have very good potential. Frustrating guy if they can get him as an UDFA Im all for it.</P>

thegreatone
01-11-2011, 01:33 PM
What do U think about Hawaii's Alex Green as a UDFAtough to read this guy. Being in the offense he's in im not too sure, as all the runs ive seen him make he has little-no opposition since everyone is so spread out.

thegreatone
01-11-2011, 01:34 PM
watch the 2nd run(really like this kid)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZt7NMX74ig

vision,ability to make guys miss and , pure unadulterated speed

http://www.strimoo.com/video/14109788/Derrick-Locke-67-yard-TD-run-Veoh.html


brandon saine is another guy i like

as well as graig cooper but i think he is too good for the "sleeper thread"
</p>


Saine was a guy I thought when I saw him last year was going to be a good committee type back. He is a good receiver,blocker, has speed. Im not sure what happened with him. They were using him all crazy this year. I saw one game where he lined up as a WR,RB,TE, and FB all in just a few plays. He didnt really contribute and fell out of favor at Ohio State. He always seemed to have very good potential. Frustrating guy if they can get him as an UDFA Im all for it.</p>yeah idk what happened either but i think that will only add to his hunger when a team takes a chance on him.

nycsportzfan
01-12-2011, 06:32 AM
I think Kapernick goes in the top 3rds... Hes got the size, arm strength, accuracy, enough to work with..
We should try to keep are draft threads open all year . Dont let this one die out change the name till 2012 Sleepers when this draft is overthe problem is, i need help.. I have no problem doing it, but it almost has to be a small group effort.. We gotta make sure to post in here from time to time, so it don't dissapear.. I'm more then willing to do my part...
I will make sure I post on this at least once every 2 weeks. Even if its complete nonsense. Im going to changemy 2011 thread to 2012 and break down the positions for the 2012 draft and players to watch. We can do that on this thread as well but with sleeper guys to look out for and some games on the early seasonschedule that may be on TV to catch them in. Sounds good! You, Greatone and I should be able to keep this alive, and others like SLIP will follow and help as well, i'm sure.. I'm amped to see this thread when the players we talked about are playing in pro's...
</p>


Wish discussions weren't deleted every few months, it would be fun to look back at last years</p>ya, it would be fantastic.. I wish they at least had some sort of vault or something, where u could find certain popular threads, like ones with over 100 posts or something.. If they get no action in a yrs time, get rid of em... Just the popular ones though, with at least 100posts, seems doo able...

nycsportzfan
01-12-2011, 06:33 AM
What do U think about Hawaii's Alex Green as a UDFA dont know much about em, but the one Haw player i do know alittle about, is WR Greg Salas.. Hes a guy who could get late rd cosideration or UDF, and if given a chance, possibly make a team and contribute..

nycsportzfan
01-12-2011, 06:36 AM
A LB i like for the Weakside as a middish to lateish RD is Michigans Jonas Mouton.. He seems to be multi dimensional(run and pass), and seems to always be around the ball... He dominated my Fighting Irish to kinda get on my watch list, and put together a bunch of solid games there after... A intriguing player...

Redeyejedi
01-12-2011, 06:40 AM
What do U think about Hawaii's Alex Green as a UDFA dont know much about em, but the one Haw player i do know alittle about, is WR Greg Salas.. Hes a guy who could get late rd cosideration or UDF, and if given a chance, possibly make a team and contribute..
</P>


tons of big plays</P>

michaelkhan3
01-12-2011, 12:34 PM
Here's a few guys I like </P>


Ross Homan, LB, OSU - Very solid player, played MLB at OSU but Id like him more as a SLB, he is a bit small and dosent have great 40 speed but he is quite good in zonecoverage.</P>


Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon - (not really a sleeper because he is Clay Matthews' brother)I dont think he will make as big an impact as his brother at the start but is a very good player same kind of attitude as Clay never gives up on a play and makes plays.He again played MLB but I think he couldmove to OLB if needed.</P>


Mason Foster, LB, Washington - I havent seen much of this guy but he has great size for an SOLB ( 6'2 242lbs) his stats are crazy (162 tackles 6.5 sacks, only had less than 10 tackles in 2 games) and I've heard good things about the guy too especially about his high motor.</P>


</P>


Devon Torrence, CB, OSU - He has good size good speed, good against the run, good in coverage and makes a lot of plays </P>

Redeyejedi
01-12-2011, 12:38 PM
Here's a few guys I like </P>


Ross Homan, LB, OSU - Very solid player, played MLB at OSU but Id like him more as a SLB, he is a bit small and dosent have great 40 speed but he is quite good in zonecoverage.</P>


Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon - (not really a sleeper because he is Clay Matthews' brother)I dont think he will make as big an impact as his brother at the start but is a very good player same kind of attitude as Clay never gives up on a play and makes plays.He again played MLB but I think he couldmove to OLB if needed.</P>


Mason Foster, LB, Washington - I havent seen much of this guy but he has great size for an SOLB ( 6'2 242lbs) his stats are crazy (162 tackles 6.5 sacks, only had less than 10 tackles in 2 games) and I've heard good things about the guy too especially about his high motor.</P>


</P>


Devon Torrence, CB, OSU - He has good size good speed, good against the run, good in coverage and makes a lot of plays </P> All solid players, Torrence is a late round guy I like myself. I think he has a higher probability of being drafted by the Giants. He needs some work but he has the size and speed combo the Giants covet.

Redeyejedi
01-12-2011, 12:50 PM
A LB i like for the Weakside as a middish to lateish RD is Michigans Jonas Mouton.. He seems to be multi dimensional(run and pass), and seems to always be around the ball... He dominated my Fighting Irish to kinda get on my watch list, and put together a bunch of solid games there after... A intriguing player...
I was watching Oregon and Auburn again . Maehl looks taller then he is because he has long arms andcatches the ball with his hands a lot out stretched over his head. He is really good at getting proper position on the cornerback and winning contested passes . U need very good hands to catch the ball how Maehl does. He may find a home somewhere in the NFL as a possession receiver

nycsportzfan
01-13-2011, 06:59 AM
A LB i like for the Weakside as a middish to lateish RD is Michigans Jonas Mouton.. He seems to be multi dimensional(run and pass), and seems to always be around the ball... He dominated my Fighting Irish to kinda get on my watch list, and put together a bunch of solid games there after... A intriguing player...
I was watching Oregon and Auburn again . Maehl looks taller then he is because he has long arms andcatches the ball with his hands a lot out stretched over his head. He is really good at getting proper position on the cornerback and winning contested passes . U need very good hands to catch the ball how Maehl does. He may find a home somewhere in the NFL as a possession receiver ya, i agree with your analysis, hes QUite a smart player, and seems to play with alot of passion, watching him reminded me of watching Ed Mcaffrey, but then i seen how much smaller he is, it is wierd..lol Maehl will make someone happy in the mid rds, topping out at Mcaffrey potential, and at least as u said, a Solid player with a decent career ala Brian Finneran... I really like em...

michaelkhan3
01-13-2011, 08:40 AM
Here's a few guys I like </P>


Ross Homan, LB, OSU - Very solid player, played MLB at OSU but Id like him more as a SLB, he is a bit small and dosent have great 40 speed but he is quite good in zonecoverage.</P>


Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon - (not really a sleeper because he is Clay Matthews' brother)I dont think he will make as big an impact as his brother at the start but is a very good player same kind of attitude as Clay never gives up on a play and makes plays.He again played MLB but I think he couldmove to OLB if needed.</P>


Mason Foster, LB, Washington - I havent seen much of this guy but he has great size for an SOLB ( 6'2 242lbs) his stats are crazy (162 tackles 6.5 sacks, only had less than 10 tackles in 2 games) and I've heard good things about the guy too especially about his high motor.</P>


</P>


Devon Torrence, CB, OSU - He has good size good speed, good against the run, good in coverage and makes a lot of plays </P>


All solid players, Torrence is a late round guy I like myself. I think he has a higher probability of being drafted by the Giants. He needs some work but he has the size and speed combo the Giants covet.</P>


Ya I really like that guy he is probably my favourite CB that isnt projectted in the top 2 or 3 rounds </P>

Redeyejedi
01-13-2011, 08:59 AM
A LB i like for the Weakside as a middish to lateish RD is Michigans Jonas Mouton.. He seems to be multi dimensional(run and pass), and seems to always be around the ball... He dominated my Fighting Irish to kinda get on my watch list, and put together a bunch of solid games there after... A intriguing player...
I was watching Oregon and Auburn again . Maehl looks taller then he is because he has long arms andcatches the ball with his hands a lot out stretched over his head. He is really good at getting proper position on the cornerback and winning contested passes . U need very good hands to catch the ball how Maehl does. He may find a home somewhere in the NFL as a possession receiver ya, i agree with your analysis, hes QUite a smart player, and seems to play with alot of passion, watching him reminded me of watching Ed Mcaffrey, but then i seen how much smaller he is, it is wierd..lol Maehl will make someone happy in the mid rds, topping out at Mcaffrey potential, and at least as u said, a Solid player with a decent career ala Brian Finneran... I really like em...


</P>


Couldnt U see Maehl making plays for Peyton Manning next season. He is savvy and smart enough to get open in there system</P>

Redeyejedi
01-13-2011, 09:23 AM
Here's a few guys I like </P>


Ross Homan, LB, OSU - Very solid player, played MLB at OSU but Id like him more as a SLB, he is a bit small and dosent have great 40 speed but he is quite good in zonecoverage.</P>


Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon - (not really a sleeper because he is Clay Matthews' brother)I dont think he will make as big an impact as his brother at the start but is a very good player same kind of attitude as Clay never gives up on a play and makes plays.He again played MLB but I think he couldmove to OLB if needed.</P>


Mason Foster, LB, Washington - I havent seen much of this guy but he has great size for an SOLB ( 6'2 242lbs) his stats are crazy (162 tackles 6.5 sacks, only had less than 10 tackles in 2 games) and I've heard good things about the guy too especially about his high motor.</P>


</P>


Devon Torrence, CB, OSU - He has good size good speed, good against the run, good in coverage and makes a lot of plays </P>


All solid players, Torrence is a late round guy I like myself. I think he has a higher probability of being drafted by the Giants. He needs some work but he has the size and speed combo the Giants covet.</P>


Ya I really like that guy he is probably my favourite CB that isnt projectted in the top 2 or 3 rounds </P>


</P>


Even the safety they have Jeremlie Hines he fits the Giants as well. He is 6-2 210 and played the star role for Ohio State last year. Its a similar postion to what Deon Grant was used in for the Giants. He was basically a Nickel backer that played Linebacker,corner and safety. Eric Hagg of Nebraska same type of role but it was called the Peso. Same type of size 6-2 207</P>

Neverend
01-13-2011, 09:33 AM
Ah man, I completely forgot about Jonas Muton. Really like that kid too, very underrated. Good speed, good motor, decent in coverage, physical against the run. Should go in rounds 3-5.

juice33s
01-13-2011, 11:15 AM
Here's a few guys I like </p>


Ross Homan, LB, OSU - Very solid player, played MLB at OSU but Id like him more as a SLB, he is a bit small and dosent have great 40 speed but he is quite good in zonecoverage.</p>


Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon - (not really a sleeper because he is Clay Matthews' brother)I dont think he will make as big an impact as his brother at the start but is a very good player same kind of attitude as Clay never gives up on a play and makes plays.He again played MLB but I think he couldmove to OLB if needed.</p>


<font size="5">Mason Foster, LB, Washington</font> - I havent seen much of this guy but he has great size for an SOLB ( 6'2 242lbs) his stats are crazy (162 tackles 6.5 sacks, only had less than 10 tackles in 2 games) and I've heard good things about the guy too especially about his high motor.</p>


Devon Torrence, CB, OSU - He has good size good speed, good against the run, good in coverage and makes a lot of plays </p>



Foster's a tackling machine and seems to play with great energy and
intensity which is important at the LB psotion....I like him alot, here he is against
Stanford</p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZJ69c8Wcj4

Neverend
01-13-2011, 12:39 PM
Anybody have good sleepers in this TE class? Jimmy graham was pretty much everyone's sleeper at TE last year (by fans and analysts alike)</P>


If boss walks I would like the giants to getan extremely athletic TE that's 260 pounds but runs like a WR. I don't like beckum, he'stoo undersized to ever draw LBs in coverage.</P>

nycsportzfan
01-13-2011, 01:52 PM
Here's a few guys I like </p>


Ross Homan, LB, OSU - Very solid player, played MLB at OSU but Id like him more as a SLB, he is a bit small and dosent have great 40 speed but he is quite good in zonecoverage.</p>


Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon - (not really a sleeper because he is Clay Matthews' brother)I dont think he will make as big an impact as his brother at the start but is a very good player same kind of attitude as Clay never gives up on a play and makes plays.He again played MLB but I think he couldmove to OLB if needed.</p>


<font size="5">Mason Foster, LB, Washington</font> - I havent seen much of this guy but he has great size for an SOLB ( 6'2 242lbs) his stats are crazy (162 tackles 6.5 sacks, only had less than 10 tackles in 2 games) and I've heard good things about the guy too especially about his high motor.</p>


Devon Torrence, CB, OSU - He has good size good speed, good against the run, good in coverage and makes a lot of plays </p>



Foster's a tackling machine and seems to play with great energy and
intensity which is important at the LB psotion....I like him alot, here he is against
Stanford</p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZJ69c8Wcj4
yup, i can't help but rave about Mason Foster, but hes anything but a sleeper, i just mocked him to the Gmen in RD 2, and would be shocked if he made it past the first few picks in RD 3, and most likely think hes a 2nd rder... hes the complete package, and a perfect fit for a 4/3 SLB... Hes so involved in plays, and can help in all area's... I simply love him as a prospect, along with Akeem Ayers...

nycsportzfan
01-13-2011, 01:58 PM
A LB i like for the Weakside as a middish to lateish RD is Michigans Jonas Mouton.. He seems to be multi dimensional(run and pass), and seems to always be around the ball... He dominated my Fighting Irish to kinda get on my watch list, and put together a bunch of solid games there after... A intriguing player...
I was watching Oregon and Auburn again . Maehl looks taller then he is because he has long arms andcatches the ball with his hands a lot out stretched over his head. He is really good at getting proper position on the cornerback and winning contested passes . U need very good hands to catch the ball how Maehl does. He may find a home somewhere in the NFL as a possession receiver ya, i agree with your analysis, hes QUite a smart player, and seems to play with alot of passion, watching him reminded me of watching Ed Mcaffrey, but then i seen how much smaller he is, it is wierd..lol Maehl will make someone happy in the mid rds, topping out at Mcaffrey potential, and at least as u said, a Solid player with a decent career ala Brian Finneran... I really like em...


</p>


Couldnt U see Maehl making plays for Peyton Manning next season. He is savvy and smart enough to get open in there system</p> Yes sir! Theres a ton of SLeeper WR's i like... Obviously i all ready mentioned to u Matt Szczur of Villanova, and also Greg Salas of Hawahi, and Jeremey Kerley of TCU... I like those guys for various reasons and see all of em being drafted at some point..

Jeff maehl
Matt Szczur
Greg Salas
Jeremey Kerley

Redeyejedi
01-13-2011, 01:58 PM
Anybody have good sleepers in this TE class? Jimmy graham was pretty much everyone's sleeper at TE last year (by fans and analysts alike)</P>


If boss walks I would like the giants to getan extremely athletic TE that's 260 pounds but runs like a WR. I don't like beckum, he'stoo undersized to ever draw LBs in coverage.</P>


</P>


This guy isnt in the class of Jimmy Graham and honestly Ive never seen him play. Im going off his invite to the combine and some published measurables Ive seen</P>


Schuylar Oordt- Northern Iowa 6-7 248 4.57 40</P>


He had 24 catches this year for 405 yards a 16.9 YPC. He had 6 games where he caught a ball for over 38 yards. He obviously is a very raw prospect coming from the FCS. If these measurables are true he may be worth a look as an UDFA.</P>


Here is the only thing Ive seen from him LOL. He seems to have good speed</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66eR7nk5V5Y</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ydRLSOHkY</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eaQAQrlBrM</P>

nycsportzfan
01-13-2011, 02:01 PM
Anybody have good sleepers in this TE class? Jimmy graham was pretty much everyone's sleeper at TE last year (by fans and analysts alike)</p>


If boss walks I would like the giants to getan extremely athletic TE that's 260 pounds but runs like a WR. I don't like beckum, he'stoo undersized to ever draw LBs in coverage.</p> ya, i mentioned one in the Original Post to this thread.. Cameron Graham of Louisville is a player i really like at TE... Hes got great size, incredibly athletic for a TE, ever improving blocking, and soft hands... He was huge for Louisville this yr, and i think somones getting a steal with him...

Also, Brett Brackett of Penn st is another sleeper TE i like.. He needs to pack on some more lb's, but has ability, and did fine, considering he had Doo Doo at QB this past season.. Hes worth a look as a 7th rd- UDF player...

Redeyejedi
01-13-2011, 02:06 PM
Here's a few guys I like </P>


Ross Homan, LB, OSU - Very solid player, played MLB at OSU but Id like him more as a SLB, he is a bit small and dosent have great 40 speed but he is quite good in zonecoverage.</P>


Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon - (not really a sleeper because he is Clay Matthews' brother)I dont think he will make as big an impact as his brother at the start but is a very good player same kind of attitude as Clay never gives up on a play and makes plays.He again played MLB but I think he couldmove to OLB if needed.</P>


<FONT size=5>Mason Foster, LB, Washington</FONT> - I havent seen much of this guy but he has great size for an SOLB ( 6'2 242lbs) his stats are crazy (162 tackles 6.5 sacks, only had less than 10 tackles in 2 games) and I've heard good things about the guy too especially about his high motor.</P>



Devon Torrence, CB, OSU - He has good size good speed, good against the run, good in coverage and makes a lot of plays </P>




Foster's a tackling machine and seems to play with great energy and intensity which is important at the LB psotion....I like him alot, here he is against Stanford</P>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZJ69c8Wcj4
yup, i can't help but rave about Mason Foster, but hes anything but a sleeper, i just mocked him to the Gmen in RD 2, and would be shocked if he made it past the first few picks in RD 3, and most likely think hes a 2nd rder... hes the complete package, and a perfect fit for a 4/3 SLB... Hes so involved in plays, and can help in all area's... I simply love him as a prospect, along with Akeem Ayers...
He played his *** off in that excruciatingly boring game against Nebraska. He will be gone before the 3rd round for sure. Im not sure if he will even get to the Giants in round 2 just way to much production. The guy had 162 tackles for gods sake. I think 3-4 teams will like him 2. A guy was telling me on a draft thread that he has trouble getting off blocks. He had 162 tackles how much trouble could he really have

nycsportzfan
01-13-2011, 02:28 PM
Here's a few guys I like </p>


Ross Homan, LB, OSU - Very solid player, played MLB at OSU but Id like him more as a SLB, he is a bit small and dosent have great 40 speed but he is quite good in zonecoverage.</p>


Casey Matthews, LB, Oregon - (not really a sleeper because he is Clay Matthews' brother)I dont think he will make as big an impact as his brother at the start but is a very good player same kind of attitude as Clay never gives up on a play and makes plays.He again played MLB but I think he couldmove to OLB if needed.</p>


<font size="5">Mason Foster, LB, Washington</font> - I havent seen much of this guy but he has great size for an SOLB ( 6'2 242lbs) his stats are crazy (162 tackles 6.5 sacks, only had less than 10 tackles in 2 games) and I've heard good things about the guy too especially about his high motor.</p>



Devon Torrence, CB, OSU - He has good size good speed, good against the run, good in coverage and makes a lot of plays </p>




Foster's a tackling machine and seems to play with great energy and intensity which is important at the LB psotion....I like him alot, here he is against Stanford</p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZJ69c8Wcj4
yup, i can't help but rave about Mason Foster, but hes anything but a sleeper, i just mocked him to the Gmen in RD 2, and would be shocked if he made it past the first few picks in RD 3, and most likely think hes a 2nd rder... hes the complete package, and a perfect fit for a 4/3 SLB... Hes so involved in plays, and can help in all area's... I simply love him as a prospect, along with Akeem Ayers...
He played his *** off in that excruciatingly boring game against Nebraska. He will be gone before the 3rd round for sure. Im not sure if he will even get to the Giants in round 2 just way to much production. The guy had 162 tackles for gods sake. I think 3-4 teams will like him 2. A guy was telling me on a draft thread that he has trouble getting off blocks. He had 162 tackles how much trouble could he really have Agreed, i just see him as more of a SLB in a 4/3, because hes only about 240, and i don't think pass rushing is nessecarily a strength of his, as much as just playing in space with a occasional blitz... I love em on a team like the Giants or even the Rams... he reminds of a guy Spags would want... As far as the Tackles go, its simply amazing... I really like Lawerence Wilson of UCONN as a WLB as well..

juice33s
01-14-2011, 09:09 PM
Anybody have good sleepers in this TE class? Jimmy graham was pretty much everyone's sleeper at TE last year (by fans and analysts alike)</p>


If boss walks I would like the giants to getan extremely athletic TE that's 260 pounds but runs like a WR. I don't like beckum, he'stoo undersized to ever draw LBs in coverage.</p>
How bout Wesley Saunders from South Carolina. He's 6'5" 268 and has talent but will likely drop in the draft due to being suspended from his team for undisclosed reasons...might be worth a late round flier

Here's a scouting report on him from scouts inc (1- Exceptional, 5-marginal)

<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tbody><tr class="oddrow"><td><span class="trait">Separation Skills</span></td><td align="center"><span class="rating">2</span></td><td>Good
overall fluidity for size. Shows adequate initial pop off the line of
scrimmage. Although lacking suddenness and burst with cuts, gets in and
out of stem smoothly and can separate against man coverage. Effective
working against zone-coverage and has a natural feel for soft spots.
However, needs to do a better job of avoiding traffic when running
shallow or intermediate crossing routes.</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td><span class="trait">Ball Skills</span></td><td align="center"><span class="rating">1</span></td><td>Possesses
strong and natural hands. Rarely allows ball to get into body. Shows a
flexible torso and can open up to make catch outside of frame. Also
shows ability to fully extend arms and make catch in stride. Will
secure ball in traffic.</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td><span class="trait">Big Play Ability</span></td><td align="center"><span class="rating">2</span></td><td>Possesses
a loose gait giving him ability to stretch defenses vertically. Can
exploit the vertical seams. An effective runner after the catch.
Displays the athleticism and balance to make defenders miss in the open
field. Lacks elite burst and won't outrun pursuit very often.</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td><span class="trait">Competitiveness/ Toughness</span></td><td align="center"><span class="rating">3</span></td><td>Willing
to do the dirty work down the middle of the field. Shows the toughness
and focus to bring in catch while absorbing contact. Also fights hard
for extra yards with the ball in his hand. On the other hand lacks
aggression as a blocker. Needs to put in more effort to sustain blocks.</td></tr></tbody></table>
<table class="tablehead" width="618" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" height="829"><tbody><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">
</td><td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>

Redeyejedi
01-14-2011, 09:55 PM
Anybody have good sleepers in this TE class? Jimmy graham was pretty much everyone's sleeper at TE last year (by fans and analysts alike)</P>


If boss walks I would like the giants to getan extremely athletic TE that's 260 pounds but runs like a WR. I don't like beckum, he'stoo undersized to ever draw LBs in coverage.</P>
How bout Wesley Saunders from South Carolina. He's 6'5" 268 and has talent but will likely drop in the draft due to being suspended from his team for undisclosed reasons...might be worth a late round flier

Here's a scouting report on him from scouts inc (1- Exceptional, 5-marginal)


<TABLE class=tablehead cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3>
<TBODY>
<TR class=oddrow>
<TD><SPAN class=trait>Separation Skills</SPAN></TD>
<TD align=middle><SPAN class=rating>2</SPAN></TD>
<TD>Good overall fluidity for size. Shows adequate initial pop off the line of scrimmage. Although lacking suddenness and burst with cuts, gets in and out of stem smoothly and can separate against man coverage. Effective working against zone-coverage and has a natural feel for soft spots. However, needs to do a better job of avoiding traffic when running shallow or intermediate crossing routes.</TD></TR>
<TR class=evenrow>
<TD><SPAN class=trait>Ball Skills</SPAN></TD>
<TD align=middle><SPAN class=rating>1</SPAN></TD>
<TD>Possesses strong and natural hands. Rarely allows ball to get into body. Shows a flexible torso and can open up to make catch outside of frame. Also shows ability to fully extend arms and make catch in stride. Will secure ball in traffic.</TD></TR>
<TR class=oddrow>
<TD><SPAN class=trait>Big Play Ability</SPAN></TD>
<TD align=middle><SPAN class=rating>2</SPAN></TD>
<TD>Possesses a loose gait giving him ability to stretch defenses vertically. Can exploit the vertical seams. An effective runner after the catch. Displays the athleticism and balance to make defenders miss in the open field. Lacks elite burst and won't outrun pursuit very often.</TD></TR>
<TR class=evenrow>
<TD><SPAN class=trait>Competitiveness/ Toughness</SPAN></TD>
<TD align=middle><SPAN class=rating>3</SPAN></TD>
<TD>Willing to do the dirty work down the middle of the field. Shows the toughness and focus to bring in catch while absorbing contact. Also fights hard for extra yards with the ball in his hand. On the other hand lacks aggression as a blocker. Needs to put in more effort to sustain blocks.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE class=tablehead height=829 cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=3 width=618>
<TBODY>
<TR class=evenrow>
<TD align=middle>
</TD>
<TD>
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



</P>


Rumors are Spurrier kicked him off the team because of the NCAA investigation. Saunders was with Marvin Austin kicking it in South Beach with agents</P>


http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg (http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg)</P>


LOL Marvin Austin, NC what could of been this year. Im looking forward to seeing Austin play in the Shrine Bowl</P>

juice33s
01-14-2011, 10:49 PM
Anybody have good sleepers in this TE class? Jimmy graham was pretty much everyone's sleeper at TE last year (by fans and analysts alike)</p>


If boss walks I would like the giants to getan extremely athletic TE that's 260 pounds but runs like a WR. I don't like beckum, he'stoo undersized to ever draw LBs in coverage.</p>
How bout Wesley Saunders from South Carolina. He's 6'5" 268 and has talent but will likely drop in the draft due to being suspended from his team for undisclosed reasons...might be worth a late round flier

Here's a scouting report on him from scouts inc (1- Exceptional, 5-marginal)


<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1">
<tbody>
<tr class="oddrow">
<td><span class="trait">Separation Skills</span></td>
<td align="middle"><span class="rating">2</span></td>
<td>Good overall fluidity for size. Shows adequate initial pop off the line of scrimmage. Although lacking suddenness and burst with cuts, gets in and out of stem smoothly and can separate against man coverage. Effective working against zone-coverage and has a natural feel for soft spots. However, needs to do a better job of avoiding traffic when running shallow or intermediate crossing routes.</td></tr>
<tr class="evenrow">
<td><span class="trait">Ball Skills</span></td>
<td align="middle"><span class="rating">1</span></td>
<td>Possesses strong and natural hands. Rarely allows ball to get into body. Shows a flexible torso and can open up to make catch outside of frame. Also shows ability to fully extend arms and make catch in stride. Will secure ball in traffic.</td></tr>
<tr class="oddrow">
<td><span class="trait">Big Play Ability</span></td>
<td align="middle"><span class="rating">2</span></td>
<td>Possesses a loose gait giving him ability to stretch defenses vertically. Can exploit the vertical seams. An effective runner after the catch. Displays the athleticism and balance to make defenders miss in the open field. Lacks elite burst and won't outrun pursuit very often.</td></tr>
<tr class="evenrow">
<td><span class="trait">Competitiveness/ Toughness</span></td>
<td align="middle"><span class="rating">3</span></td>
<td>Willing to do the dirty work down the middle of the field. Shows the toughness and focus to bring in catch while absorbing contact. Also fights hard for extra yards with the ball in his hand. On the other hand lacks aggression as a blocker. Needs to put in more effort to sustain blocks.</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table class="tablehead" width="618" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" height="829">
<tbody>
<tr class="evenrow">
<td align="middle">
</td>
<td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>



</p>


Rumors are Spurrier kicked him off the team because of the NCAA investigation. Saunders was with Marvin Austin kicking it in South Beach with agents</p>


http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg (http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg)</p>


LOL Marvin Austin, NC what could of been this year. Im looking forward to seeing Austin play in the Shrine Bowl</p>
lol gotta love it, nice pic

Neverend
01-14-2011, 11:17 PM
That report on Wesley Saunders sounds pretty decent. Wish I can see some highlights on him but its nowhere on youtube, oh well</P>


Everyone like to talk about martez wilson as a 1st round pick butnobody likes to talk about the DT he plays in front of which is <FONT color=#000000>Corey Liuget. Just saw that he declared I'm pretty shocked that he did. Walter football has him as a 1st round pick next year in their mock draft. This kid is going to be an absolute steal for someone in the 3rd round. I personally thought he had the best bowl game out of any DT that's going to be in this draft, nick fairley included. fairley played well but he was unblocked on most of his plays. Oregon purposely does that sometimesin their zone, option one-read offense. Some of his TFLs came when ducks' QB made a bad read, no disrespect to fairley.. Liuget looked great in illionois bowl game and I wouldn't be stunned if he turns out to be a surprise high 2nd round pick or even a late 1st</FONT></P>

thegreatone
01-15-2011, 08:44 AM
Anybody have good sleepers in this TE class? Jimmy graham was pretty much everyone's sleeper at TE last year (by fans and analysts alike)</p>


If boss walks I would like the giants to getan extremely athletic TE that's 260 pounds but runs like a WR. I don't like beckum, he'stoo undersized to ever draw LBs in coverage.</p>
How bout Wesley Saunders from South Carolina. He's 6'5" 268 and has talent but will likely drop in the draft due to being suspended from his team for undisclosed reasons...might be worth a late round flier

Here's a scouting report on him from scouts inc (1- Exceptional, 5-marginal)


<table class="tablehead" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1">
<tbody>
<tr class="oddrow">
<td><span class="trait">Separation Skills</span></td>
<td align="middle"><span class="rating">2</span></td>
<td>Good overall fluidity for size. Shows adequate initial pop off the line of scrimmage. Although lacking suddenness and burst with cuts, gets in and out of stem smoothly and can separate against man coverage. Effective working against zone-coverage and has a natural feel for soft spots. However, needs to do a better job of avoiding traffic when running shallow or intermediate crossing routes.</td></tr>
<tr class="evenrow">
<td><span class="trait">Ball Skills</span></td>
<td align="middle"><span class="rating">1</span></td>
<td>Possesses strong and natural hands. Rarely allows ball to get into body. Shows a flexible torso and can open up to make catch outside of frame. Also shows ability to fully extend arms and make catch in stride. Will secure ball in traffic.</td></tr>
<tr class="oddrow">
<td><span class="trait">Big Play Ability</span></td>
<td align="middle"><span class="rating">2</span></td>
<td>Possesses a loose gait giving him ability to stretch defenses vertically. Can exploit the vertical seams. An effective runner after the catch. Displays the athleticism and balance to make defenders miss in the open field. Lacks elite burst and won't outrun pursuit very often.</td></tr>
<tr class="evenrow">
<td><span class="trait">Competitiveness/ Toughness</span></td>
<td align="middle"><span class="rating">3</span></td>
<td>Willing to do the dirty work down the middle of the field. Shows the toughness and focus to bring in catch while absorbing contact. Also fights hard for extra yards with the ball in his hand. On the other hand lacks aggression as a blocker. Needs to put in more effort to sustain blocks.</td></tr></tbody></table>

<table class="tablehead" width="618" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" height="829">
<tbody>
<tr class="evenrow">
<td align="middle">
</td>
<td>
</td></tr></tbody></table>



</p>


Rumors are Spurrier kicked him off the team because of the NCAA investigation. Saunders was with Marvin Austin kicking it in South Beach with agents</p>


http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg (http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg)</p>


LOL Marvin Austin, NC what could of been this year. Im looking forward to seeing Austin play in the Shrine Bowl</p>all those players should be banned from stepping foot on UNC grounds. They most definitely would have been top 20 and i was predicting top 10. not only that the damage they have done to future recruiting classes is unforgivable.

michaelkhan3
01-17-2011, 12:30 PM
I just noticed that Dane Sanzenbacher WR from Ohio Stis a senior. </P>


That is a guy Id love to have. I know we dont really need a WR but that guy is just amazing one of the biggest playmakers in this WR class and thats saying something he also seems to catch every ball thats thrown near him. I would love to have this guy as a giant.</P>

thegreatone
01-18-2011, 07:17 PM
I just noticed that Dane Sanzenbacher WR from Ohio Stis a senior. </p>


That is a guy Id love to have. I know we dont really need a WR but that guy is just amazing one of the biggest playmakers in this WR class and thats saying something he also seems to catch every ball thats thrown near him. I would love to have this guy as a giant.</p>
yeah i like him as well

michaelkhan3
01-21-2011, 10:35 AM
I just noticed that Dane Sanzenbacher WR from Ohio Stis a senior. </P>


That is a guy Id love to have. I know we dont really need a WR but that guy is just amazing one of the biggest playmakers in this WR class and thats saying something he also seems to catch every ball thats thrown near him. I would love to have this guy as a giant.</P>



yeah i like him as well
</P>


</P>


He really just makes plays.I've seen Ohio St a good few times this tear and he is always making plays and its not like his QB is the most accurate guy in the world he just gets open and makes the hard catches when he has to. He dosent have great speed or great size. </P>

thegreatone
01-21-2011, 10:38 AM
I just noticed that Dane Sanzenbacher WR from Ohio Stis a senior. </p>


That is a guy Id love to have. I know we dont really need a WR but that guy is just amazing one of the biggest playmakers in this WR class and thats saying something he also seems to catch every ball thats thrown near him. I would love to have this guy as a giant.</p>



yeah i like him as well
</p>


</p>


He really just makes plays.I've seen Ohio St a good few times this tear and he is always making plays and its not like his QB is the most accurate guy in the world he just gets open and makes the hard catches when he has to. He dosent have great speed or great size. </p>
yeah wish he was a little bigger but agree with everything you said. kid just makes plays. is a super sleeper of mine.

michaelkhan3
01-24-2011, 05:28 AM
I just noticed that Dane Sanzenbacher WR from Ohio St*is a senior. </p>


That is a guy Id love to have. I know we dont really need a WR but that guy is just amazing one of the biggest playmakers in this WR class and thats saying something he also seems to catch every ball thats thrown near him. I would love to have this guy as a giant.*</p>



yeah i like him as well
</p>


*</p>


He really just makes plays.I've seen Ohio St a good few times this tear and he is always making plays and its not like his QB is the most accurate guy in the world he just gets open and makes the hard catches when he has to. He dosent have great speed or great size. </p>
yeah wish he was a little bigger but agree with everything you said. kid just makes plays. is a super sleeper of mine.


I think he would be my favorite WR in this draft if we need to replace Steve Smith. But we do have plenty of depth at WR already

thegreatone
01-24-2011, 07:14 AM
I just noticed that Dane Sanzenbacher WR from Ohio Stis a senior. </p>


That is a guy Id love to have. I know we dont really need a WR but that guy is just amazing one of the biggest playmakers in this WR class and thats saying something he also seems to catch every ball thats thrown near him. I would love to have this guy as a giant.</p>



yeah i like him as well
</p>


</p>


He really just makes plays.I've seen Ohio St a good few times this tear and he is always making plays and its not like his QB is the most accurate guy in the world he just gets open and makes the hard catches when he has to. He dosent have great speed or great size. </p>
yeah wish he was a little bigger but agree with everything you said. kid just makes plays. is a super sleeper of mine.


I think he would be my favorite WR in this draft if we need to replace Steve Smith. But we do have plenty of depth at WR already yeah i havent even really looked at wr this season seeing how stacked we are.

thegreatone
01-25-2011, 07:57 AM
i have a feeling titus young is gonna start flying up boards.

thegreatone
01-25-2011, 08:01 AM
i like nile paul as well. reminds me of anquan boldin and vincent brown outt SDST. Sometimes i wish we werent so stacked at wr lol. There are a lot of guys i like in this wr class.

TuckYou
01-26-2011, 12:51 PM
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http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg (http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg)</P>


LOL Marvin Austin, NC what could of been this year. Im looking forward to seeing Austin play in the Shrine Bowl</P>

uh oh, gun pointed at his leg wearing sweatpants....

So how long do we have to come up with some sleepers? Can we list this after the combine?

thegreatone
01-26-2011, 03:35 PM
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http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg (http://www.statefansnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gun1.jpg)</p>


LOL Marvin Austin, NC what could of been this year. Im looking forward to seeing Austin play in the Shrine Bowl</p>

uh oh, gun pointed at his leg wearing sweatpants....

So how long do we have to come up with some sleepers? Can we list this after the combine?thats what im waiting on. ive listed a few but there a lot more i want to get a look at before i throw my stamp on em ;)

nycsportzfan
01-28-2011, 05:13 PM
A few other Sleepers to keep this thing going..


KJ WRIGHT SLB MISS ST- not a super sleeper, but a big strong kid, whos a leader, and can really fill a stat sheet, by rushing the passer, and pursuing ball carriers.. Had a bunch of double digit tackle games, and defended 4pass's against Georgia.... Very very active... One of the better SLB in this class..

DARRIN WALLS CB N.DAME- very expierenced corner, who is great in coming up and helping with the run, and can man up, with his solid, albeit not spectuacular speed.. Good size 6ft 190lbs... The type of mid to late rd pick that not only makes a team, but ends up being a surprise starter...

Cameron Chism CB Maryland- Solid ball skills, good speed, and size, also can be a help on special teams... really active in run support...

slipknottin
01-28-2011, 06:50 PM
Hb I am watching. Taiwan Jones.

juice33s
01-28-2011, 07:21 PM
Hb I am watching. Taiwan Jones.
Looks pretty sick....Outstanding agility, balance and acceleration, also has nice hands out of the backfield....plus his nickname is "Juice", so whats not to like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYVJ82hmT8g

Neverend
01-28-2011, 07:25 PM
i like nile paul as well. reminds me of anquan boldin and vincent brown outt SDST. Sometimes i wish we werent so stacked at wr lol. There are a lot of guys i like in this wr class.
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agreed. sometimes i wish we werent talented at all, i feel like i want the giants to draft some specific players just to keep them away from other teams heh</P>

Neverend
01-28-2011, 07:31 PM
Hb I am watching. Taiwan Jones.
Looks pretty sick....Outstanding agility, balance and acceleration, also has nice hands out of the backfield....plus his nickname is "Juice", so whats not to like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYVJ82hmT8g
</P>


He has "outstanding balance"? i hope you're right because if he does I'm all for him (never watched a down of the guy, highlights look cool tho)</P>

slipknottin
01-28-2011, 07:34 PM
Hb I am watching. Taiwan Jones.
Looks pretty sick....Outstanding agility, balance and acceleration, also has nice hands out of the backfield....plus his nickname is "Juice", so whats not to like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYVJ82hmT8g


He's a he'll of an open field runner. I bet he has a great combine.

Neverend
01-28-2011, 08:12 PM
i wonder whats his vision like. granted you guys are going by youtube highlights and never seen him in actual game but if he has decent vision i can envision him as a returner. he has great speed and acceleration</P>

thegreatone
01-28-2011, 08:22 PM
Hb I am watching. Taiwan Jones.
Looks pretty sick....Outstanding agility, balance and acceleration, also has nice hands out of the backfield....plus his nickname is "Juice", so whats not to like

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYVJ82hmT8g


He's a he'll of an open field runner. I bet he has a great combine.that 2nd to last run was SICK. how come i havent heard about him before? kids got some serious vison and moves. cant wait to see more.

slipknottin
01-28-2011, 08:30 PM
[]that 2nd to last run was SICK. how come i havent heard about him before? kids got some serious vison and moves. cant wait to see more.


Small school underclassman.

thegreatone
01-29-2011, 10:23 AM
[]that 2nd to last run was SICK. how come i havent heard about him before? kids got some serious vison and moves. cant wait to see more.


Small school underclassman.sstill. you'ld think he woulda been mentioned. havent heard his name once.

Neverend
01-29-2011, 10:30 AM
[]that 2nd to last run was SICK. how come i havent heard about him before? kids got some serious vison and moves. cant wait to see more.
Small school underclassman.sstill. you'ld think he woulda been mentioned. havent heard his name once.
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Same</P>

GMENAGAIN
01-29-2011, 10:52 AM
Well, in what has become a Fun traditon on these boards, i decided to start this yrs SLEEPER thread for the 2011 NFL DRAFT... It was a awesome thread last yr, and its meant for mid to later rd guys who people think are gonna make it in the pro's and help our club or a club... Dosen't have to be Super Star, just a guy or guys who will make it and help and become known on the next level...

A guy i'm liking right now for a 6th-7th and maybe 5th if he does good at the Shrine Game and in Pre Draft workouts is DT TERRELL McCLAIN of S.FLORIDA... Hes got very good size and showed enough production to warrent middish to late rd consideration in hopes of finding a gem..McClain offers a nice mix of Run Stopping and at causing havoc in his penetration.. Coach Holtz said Measurable wise, McClain may be the best prospect they have to offer in this yrs draft.. Watch for him to make some noise in moving up some on the way toward the draft... Think 4th-6th rd with a ceiling of 3rd rd if everything in the world works out


Another player i like for the later rounds is Notre Dame CB Darrin Walls.. I've watched him his whole career as a diehard ND fan, and hes got SUNDAY potential.. Not afraid to mix it up in run support with his solid CB SIZE(6ft 190lb), and plays the ball very well in the air... Very expierenced, and easily the best Player in Notre Dames Secondary... Very solid ST player at ND.. Can play man as well as most CB's in college ball, and has nice speed and agility... A Solid all around player.. Think 4th-6th rd

One more Sleeper for now that i'll mention is Louisville TE Cameron Graham... Hes become one of my fave TE prospects out there, with his length and hands... Had 10games of at least 3catches and can block pretty solidly.. OC mike sanford has said, hes a good blend of on the line blocking TE and recevier, and also mentions, hes not the biggest TE, but he works his but off... Graham was highly recruited jr college player, getting scholarship offers from LSU and Arizona st, but chose Louisville due to playing more quickly... A definete player to keep a eye on going forward... Think 5th-7th with ceiling of late 4th...


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Hey nyc . . . knew you'd resurface around draft time.</P>


How are things??</P>


Who do you like in the first and second rounds this year for the Gmen? What do you think of Mason Foster?</P>

slipknottin
01-29-2011, 12:11 PM
still. you'ld think he woulda been mentioned. havent heard his name once.


Well most draft places focus on the big time players, first three rounds.

There was some confusion wether he even declared because he wasn't included on the nfls list of eligible underclassmen

Redeyejedi
01-29-2011, 04:00 PM
Here is the rosters for the Texas Vs the Nation game</P>


</P>


<SPAN><SPAN>Nation:
</SPAN>QB Enderle, Nathan – Idaho
<FONT size=5>QB Yates, TJ – North Carolina-<FONT size=3>smart QB who could handle Giants system.Not a bad developmental option</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>


<SPAN></SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><SPAN>QB Van Camp, Jeff - Florida Atlantic
RB Spann, Chad – Northern Illinois
RB Berry, Damien – Miami
RB Draughn, Shaun - UNC
FB Chapas, Shaun - Georgia
FB/RB Payne, Keith – Virginia
WR Newsome, Jamar - Central Florida
WR Holmes, Andre - Hillsdale
WR Johnson-Koulianos, Derrell - Iowa
WR Morgan, Joe - Walsh
WR Durham, Kris – Georgia
WR Spencer, Owen – North Carolina State
TE Smith, Andre – Virginia Tech
TE Hardy, Daniel – Idaho
<FONT size=5>TE Oordt, Schuylar - Northern Iowa-<FONT size=3> A TE with very good measrements if there accurate. 6-6 246 with a sub 4.6 40 time. A very high YPC for a TE. Dont know a lot about him but interested seeing him play against better competition then what he is used to. Maybe an UDFA pick up</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P>


<SPAN>OT Young, DJ – Michigan State
OL Kilgore, Daniel - Appalachian State
OL Smith, Willie – East Carolina
OL King, Jarriel - South Carolina
OL Davis, Josh – Georgia
OL Porter, Curt - Jacksonville State
OC/OG Thorson, Brad – Kansas
OG Johnson, Carl – Florida
OL Hendrickson, Pete - Tulane
OL Taylor, Zane – Utah
DE Marshall, Craig - USF
DE/DT Levingston, Lazarius – LSU
DE White, Markus - Florida State
DE Nurse, Clay – Illinois
DT Kearse, Frank – Alabama A &amp; M
DT Graves, John - Virginia Tech
DT Ajiboye, Ladi - South Carolina
DT Ellis, Kenrick - Hampton I
LB Smith, DJ - Appalachian State
ILB Harvey, Mario - Marshall
OLB DE Addison, Mario – Troy
OLB Moten, Adrian - Maryland
OLB Thomas, JT – West Virginia
OLB Hunter, Jeremiha – Iowa
OLB/DE Gee, Mike – Indiana PA/Virginia Tech
CB Maxwell, Byron – Clemson
CB Cuff, Vance – Georgia
CB Brinkley, Niles – Wisconsin
<FONT size=5>CB Torrence, Devon – Ohio State-<FONT size=3>very good sized and measurable cornerfrom Ohio State. </FONT>
</FONT>CB Gaitor, Anthony – Florida International
S Legree, Mark - Appalachian State
S Rolle, Maurice – University of Louisiana - Lafayette
DB Walters, Anthony - Delaware
DB Abdul-El Quddus, Isa – Fordham
P/K Bosher, Matt - Miami (FL)
K Rogers, Jacob – Cincinnati
KR/WR/RB Saunders, Jock – West Virginia
LS Adams, Corey – Kansas State

</SPAN><SPAN><SPAN>Texas:
</SPAN>QB Potts, Taylor - Texas Tech
QB Portis, Josh – California PA/Maryland
QB Colburn, Ryan – Fresno State
RB Asiata, Matt – Utah
RB Fannin, Mario-Auburn
RB Finley, Jay – Baylor
FB/RB Hughes, Robert – Notre Dame
FB Bartlett, Justin - Carroll - MT.
WR Burton, Stephen -West Texas A&amp;M
WR Lockett, Ricardo - Fort Valley State
WR Adams, Kris - UTEP
WR Moore, Denarius – Tennessee
WR Matthews, Chris - Kentucky
WR Harris, Marcus – Murray State
WR/KR/PR Ross, Jeremy - California
TE Housler, Robert – Florida Atlantic University
<FONT size=5>TE Graham, Cameron – Louisville-<FONT size=3>Should get his in this game</FONT>
</FONT>TE Skelton, Stephen - Fordham
OT Newton, Derek - Arkansas State
OG Stewart, Chris - Notre Dame
OL Turner, Trevis-Abilene Christian
OL Person, Mike-Montana State
OG Thompson, Isaiah-Houston
OL Hughes, Kevin-SE Louisiana
OC Barnes, Tim-Missouri
OL Dominguez, Ray – Arkansas
<FONT size=5>OC Kirkpatrick, Jake - TCU-<FONT size=3>in my opinion the best O-lineman in this game. he better prove it</FONT>
</FONT>OL Bell, Byron- New Mexico
DE Chinasa, Ugo - Oklahoma State
DE Jones, Eddie – Texas
DE Anthony, Christian – Gambling State
DE/OLB Daniels, Wayne – TCU
DT Whitlock, Colby - Texas Tech
DT Bryant, Corbin – Northwestern
DT Patterson, Lucas – Texas A &amp; M
DT Lumpkin, Ricky – Kentucky
OLB Williams, Jabara - Stephen F. Austin
OLB Davie, Quentin – Northwestern
OLB/ DE Lattimore, Jamari- Middle Tennessee State
OLB Paysinger, Spencer - Oregon
ILB Duncan, Brian – Texas Tech
ILB Baptiste, Tressor - Texas A&amp;M Kingsville/Hofstra
CB Jones, Ryan - Northwest Missouri State
CB McGee, Andrew - Oklahoma State
CB Rutland, Kevin – Missouri
CB Skrine, Buster - UT Chattanooga
CB Hagan, Darian - California
S Gomes, DeJon - Nebraska
<FONT size=5>S Hagg, Eric – Nebraska-<FONT size=3>Later round safety prospect with experience in a nickel tweener role. Plays Linebacker,Corner and safety for Nebraska at 6-2 210</FONT>
</FONT>DB Gatlin, Josh - North Dakota State
DB Sherman, Richard – Stanford
P Epperson, Derek - Baylor
K Weber, Thomas - Arizona State
KR/CB Rembert, Reggie - Air Force
LS Flaherty, Harry – Princeton</SPAN></P>

thegreatone
01-29-2011, 04:16 PM
still. you'ld think he woulda been mentioned. havent heard his name once.


Well most draft places focus on the big time players, first three rounds.

There was some confusion wether he even declared because he wasn't included on the nfls list of eligible underclassmenwell ihope to hear and see more. is he in any all star games? or will we just see him at the combine, if he is even invited.

juice33s
01-31-2011, 10:20 AM
Not really a sleeper, but is it just me or is Justin Houston not getting nearly enough credit for being an elite edge rusher. Right now most people have him as a late 1st round prospect when in my mind he's the best edge rusher in the draft.

He has great size at 6'3" 260, great production (11 sacks 20 TFL) and his burst off the line off scrimmage is unmatched through out the rest of the draft. Also Houston is supposedly a work out warrior, so I expect come combine time for his stock to go through the roof.

Right now I'd put him over Von Miller, Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan and as a pure pass rusher maybe even Daquan Bowers.

I'm predicting top 10 easy, maybe even top 5 for Justin Houston

thegreatone
01-31-2011, 10:52 AM
Not really a sleeper, but is it just me or is Justin Houston not getting nearly enough credit for being an elite edge rusher. Right now most people have him as a late 1st round prospect when in my mind he's the best edge rusher in the draft.

He has great size at 6'3" 260, great production (11 sacks 20 TFL) and his burst off the line off scrimmage is unmatched through out the rest of the draft. Also Houston is supposedly a work out warrior, so I expect come combine time for his stock to go through the roof.

Right now I'd put him over Von Miller, Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan and as a pure pass rusher maybe even Daquan Bowers.

I'm predicting top 10 easy, maybe even top 5 for Justin Houston

i agree he is beingg undersold but i wouldnt put him that high. pretty ballsy prediction, we'll see.

nycsportzfan
01-31-2011, 11:35 PM
Here is the rosters for the Texas Vs the Nation game</p>


</p>


<span><span>Nation:
</span>QB Enderle, Nathan – Idaho
<font size="5">QB Yates, TJ – North Carolina-<font size="3">smart QB who could handle Giants system.Not a bad developmental option</font></font></span></p>


<span></span><span></span><span>QB Van Camp, Jeff - Florida Atlantic
RB Spann, Chad – Northern Illinois
RB Berry, Damien – Miami
RB Draughn, Shaun - UNC
FB Chapas, Shaun - Georgia
FB/RB Payne, Keith – Virginia
WR Newsome, Jamar - Central Florida
WR Holmes, Andre - Hillsdale
WR Johnson-Koulianos, Derrell - Iowa
WR Morgan, Joe - Walsh
WR Durham, Kris – Georgia
WR Spencer, Owen – North Carolina State
TE Smith, Andre – Virginia Tech
TE Hardy, Daniel – Idaho
<font size="5">TE Oordt, Schuylar - Northern Iowa-<font size="3"> A TE with very good measrements if there accurate. 6-6 246 with a sub 4.6 40 time. A very high YPC for a TE. Dont know a lot about him but interested seeing him play against better competition then what he is used to. Maybe an UDFA pick up</font></font></span></p>


<span>OT Young, DJ – Michigan State
OL Kilgore, Daniel - Appalachian State
OL Smith, Willie – East Carolina
OL King, Jarriel - South Carolina
OL Davis, Josh – Georgia
OL Porter, Curt - Jacksonville State
OC/OG Thorson, Brad – Kansas
OG Johnson, Carl – Florida
OL Hendrickson, Pete - Tulane
OL Taylor, Zane – Utah
DE Marshall, Craig - USF
DE/DT Levingston, Lazarius – LSU
DE White, Markus - Florida State
DE Nurse, Clay – Illinois
DT Kearse, Frank – Alabama A &amp; M
DT Graves, John - Virginia Tech
DT Ajiboye, Ladi - South Carolina
DT Ellis, Kenrick - Hampton I
LB Smith, DJ - Appalachian State
ILB Harvey, Mario - Marshall
OLB DE Addison, Mario – Troy
OLB Moten, Adrian - Maryland
OLB Thomas, JT – West Virginia
OLB Hunter, Jeremiha – Iowa
OLB/DE Gee, Mike – Indiana PA/Virginia Tech
CB Maxwell, Byron – Clemson
CB Cuff, Vance – Georgia
CB Brinkley, Niles – Wisconsin
<font size="5">CB Torrence, Devon – Ohio State-<font size="3">very good sized and measurable cornerfrom Ohio State. </font>
</font>CB Gaitor, Anthony – Florida International
S Legree, Mark - Appalachian State
S Rolle, Maurice – University of Louisiana - Lafayette
DB Walters, Anthony - Delaware
DB Abdul-El Quddus, Isa – Fordham
P/K Bosher, Matt - Miami (FL)
K Rogers, Jacob – Cincinnati
KR/WR/RB Saunders, Jock – West Virginia
LS Adams, Corey – Kansas State

</span><span><span>Texas:
</span>QB Potts, Taylor - Texas Tech
QB Portis, Josh – California PA/Maryland
QB Colburn, Ryan – Fresno State
RB Asiata, Matt – Utah
RB Fannin, Mario-Auburn
RB Finley, Jay – Baylor
FB/RB Hughes, Robert – Notre Dame
FB Bartlett, Justin - Carroll - MT.
WR Burton, Stephen -West Texas A&amp;M
WR Lockett, Ricardo - Fort Valley State
WR Adams, Kris - UTEP
WR Moore, Denarius – Tennessee
WR Matthews, Chris - Kentucky
WR Harris, Marcus – Murray State
WR/KR/PR Ross, Jeremy - California
TE Housler, Robert – Florida Atlantic University
<font size="5">TE Graham, Cameron – Louisville-<font size="3">Should get his in this game</font>
</font>TE Skelton, Stephen - Fordham
OT Newton, Derek - Arkansas State
OG Stewart, Chris - Notre Dame
OL Turner, Trevis-Abilene Christian
OL Person, Mike-Montana State
OG Thompson, Isaiah-Houston
OL Hughes, Kevin-SE Louisiana
OC Barnes, Tim-Missouri
OL Dominguez, Ray – Arkansas
<font size="5">OC Kirkpatrick, Jake - TCU-<font size="3">in my opinion the best O-lineman in this game. he better prove it</font>
</font>OL Bell, Byron- New Mexico
DE Chinasa, Ugo - Oklahoma State
DE Jones, Eddie – Texas
DE Anthony, Christian – Gambling State
DE/OLB Daniels, Wayne – TCU
DT Whitlock, Colby - Texas Tech
DT Bryant, Corbin – Northwestern
DT Patterson, Lucas – Texas A &amp; M
DT Lumpkin, Ricky – Kentucky
OLB Williams, Jabara - Stephen F. Austin
OLB Davie, Quentin – Northwestern
OLB/ DE Lattimore, Jamari- Middle Tennessee State
OLB Paysinger, Spencer - Oregon
ILB Duncan, Brian – Texas Tech
ILB Baptiste, Tressor - Texas A&amp;M Kingsville/Hofstra
CB Jones, Ryan - Northwest Missouri State
CB McGee, Andrew - Oklahoma State
CB Rutland, Kevin – Missouri
CB Skrine, Buster - UT Chattanooga
CB Hagan, Darian - California
S Gomes, DeJon - Nebraska
<font size="5">S Hagg, Eric – Nebraska-<font size="3">Later round safety prospect with experience in a nickel tweener role. Plays Linebacker,Corner and safety for Nebraska at 6-2 210</font>
</font>DB Gatlin, Josh - North Dakota State
DB Sherman, Richard – Stanford
P Epperson, Derek - Baylor
K Weber, Thomas - Arizona State
KR/CB Rembert, Reggie - Air Force
LS Flaherty, Harry – Princeton</span></p> a few other guys to watch in the game are Anthony Gaitor CB Fla int, Tim Barnes C Mizzo, Mark Legree S App St, Chad Spann RB No.Ill, Derek Newton OT Ark St, Zane Taylor C/G Utah, Ugo Chinasa DE Ok St, Damien Berry RB The U, Quentin Davie OLB NW....

Oustide of the guys u highlighted, these are the guys i'm interested in most in this one as anywhere from mid to late to Un drafted free agents.... I guess i'd throw Carl Johnson G FLA and Shawn Chapas FB(heck of a blocker) in there as well...

nycsportzfan
02-01-2011, 12:49 PM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...

thegreatone
02-01-2011, 01:01 PM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...

you watch buffalo, tell me about josh thomas.

nycsportzfan
02-01-2011, 01:39 PM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...

you watch buffalo, tell me about josh thomas.
not as much this yr, i just kept following Davonte Shannon, because i watched a ton of the Turner Gill run teams, wtih Drew Willly, Mike Newton and James Starks and Davonte Shannon ... Davonte is the last one, and there team flat out stunk, so they didn't get the run that they got on TV(thursday ESPNU games) that they got last yr and the yr before, but betting on games, i follow just about every team, to a degree... But buffalo is getting worse, in my opinion... Now with Davonte Gone, they may be even worse...

slipknottin
02-05-2011, 01:18 AM
Well take Taiwan Jones off the sleeper list. Multiple NFL teams consider him a top 75 pick if he passes the medical exams.

thegreatone
02-05-2011, 08:25 AM
Well take Taiwan Jones off the sleeper list. Multiple NFL teams consider him a top 75 pick if he passes the medical exams.yeah ive seen him ranked in the top 10 rb's as high as 7 i think. kid is gaining steam.

Redeyejedi
02-05-2011, 02:07 PM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...

you watch buffalo, tell me about josh thomas.
not as much this yr, i just kept following Davonte Shannon, because i watched a ton of the Turner Gill run teams, wtih Drew Willly, Mike Newton and James Starks and Davonte Shannon ... Davonte is the last one, and there team flat out stunk, so they didn't get the run that they got on TV(thursday ESPNU games) that they got last yr and the yr before, but betting on games, i follow just about every team, to a degree... But buffalo is getting worse, in my opinion... Now with Davonte Gone, they may be even worse...
</P>


U should of called this the 3rd annual Sleeper Thread</P>

slipknottin
02-08-2011, 11:17 AM
DeMarcus Van D-y-k-e the CB out of Miami is a guy to watch, especially at the combine.

He's 6'1 170 pounds, has the frame to add bulk, but he may very well run under a 4.3 at the combine. He's not projected to be drafted until the 6th or 7th round, but he has significant upside based off his height/speed.

Redeyejedi
02-08-2011, 11:31 AM
DeMarcus Van D-y-k-e the CB out of Miami is a guy to watch, especially at the combine. He's 6'1 170 pounds, has the frame to add bulk, but he may very well run under a 4.3 at the combine. He's not projected to be drafted until the 6th or 7th round, but he has significant upside based off his height/speed. Yeah he can really run. 167 pounds i thought that was a misprint when I first saw that. That is incredibly skinny for 6-1. He may match up down theline with tiny over on the Eagles though

Raptor22
02-08-2011, 11:59 AM
DeMarcus Van D-y-k-e the CB out of Miami is a guy to watch, especially at the combine. He's 6'1 170 pounds, has the frame to add bulk, but he may very well run under a 4.3 at the combine. He's not projected to be drafted until the 6th or 7th round, but he has significant upside based off his height/speed. Yeah he can really run. 167 pounds i thought that was a misprint when I first saw that. That is incredibly skinny for 6-1. He may match up down theline with tiny over on the Eagles though

Holy crap that's a skinny CB... Julio Jones has about 55-60 pounds on him. He needs to add some muscle or receivers will make him look like a rag doll.

nycsportzfan
02-08-2011, 05:08 PM
Well, in what has become a Fun traditon on these boards, i decided to start this yrs SLEEPER thread for the 2011 NFL DRAFT... It was a awesome thread last yr, and its meant for mid to later rd guys who people think are gonna make it in the pro's and help our club or a club... Dosen't have to be Super Star, just a guy or guys who will make it and help and become known on the next level...

A guy i'm liking right now for a 6th-7th and maybe 5th if he does good at the Shrine Game and in Pre Draft workouts is DT TERRELL McCLAIN of S.FLORIDA... Hes got very good size and showed enough production to warrent middish to late rd consideration in hopes of finding a gem..McClain offers a nice mix of Run Stopping and at causing havoc in his penetration.. Coach Holtz said Measurable wise, McClain may be the best prospect they have to offer in this yrs draft.. Watch for him to make some noise in moving up some on the way toward the draft... Think 4th-6th rd with a ceiling of 3rd rd if everything in the world works out


Another player i like for the later rounds is Notre Dame CB Darrin Walls.. I've watched him his whole career as a diehard ND fan, and hes got SUNDAY potential.. Not afraid to mix it up in run support with his solid CB SIZE(6ft 190lb), and plays the ball very well in the air... Very expierenced, and easily the best Player in Notre Dames Secondary... Very solid ST player at ND.. Can play man as well as most CB's in college ball, and has nice speed and agility... A Solid all around player.. Think 4th-6th rd

One more Sleeper for now that i'll mention is Louisville TE Cameron Graham... Hes become one of my fave TE prospects out there, with his length and hands... Had 10games of at least 3catches and can block pretty solidly.. OC mike sanford has said, hes a good blend of on the line blocking TE and recevier, and also mentions, hes not the biggest TE, but he works his but off... Graham was highly recruited jr college player, getting scholarship offers from LSU and Arizona st, but chose Louisville due to playing more quickly... A definete player to keep a eye on going forward... Think 5th-7th with ceiling of late 4th...


well, it looks like Terrell Mcclain did just that, and really lifted his draft stock during shrine game wk... Now, looking like to secure him, it may take a 4th rd pick, i really like this kid, and compare him to another 4th rd DT that we've been very successful with, Barry Cofield...
<u>DT Terrell McClain</u>



-South Florida's Terrell McClain has been outstanding in individual and
team drills. The mammoth defensive tackle has shown excellent strength
and power while holding the point against the run. He has repeatedly
anchored well against double teams, and flashed exceptional power while
defeating blockers inside. Given his size, strength and run-stopping
prowess, McClain is going to be a highly coveted prospect as the draft
draws closer. (NFL.com)



-Another DT that helped himself today was Terrel McClain of South
Florida. He is a wide-body who packs a punch and can move for a big man.
Indeed, McClain reminds me a lot of Torrell Troup of UCF who came on
strong in his senior season last fall and eventually was a second rounbd
pick by Buffalo. Got a chance to speak with former USF head coach Jim
Leavitt who said he is a great kid with loads of talent who seems to be
getting it now. (GBN Report)

slipknottin
02-12-2011, 01:10 PM
Josh Gatlin CB out of North Dakota State is another guy to watch. Projects as a late round (6th or 7th). He's 6'1. 195 pounds, and he's related to Justin Gatlin the Olympic sprinter.

qndarius3
02-14-2011, 12:13 PM
I know its been said here before but just to open back up the conversation...

Dontay Moch LB- Nevada
The only word to describe this guy athletically is wow (ran like a 4.2 40 no joke). He is very raw, but definately worth a flier in a mid-round. He has the ability to cover a TE down the field which our lb's currently dont, and could also be used in obvious passing situations. Not to mention, he could possibly develop at the safety position at the next level 6'1"245.

Doug Hogue OLB- Syracuse
Im a syracuse homer, but I think he has a lot of potential. He has only been playing LB for 2 years, and was a converted RB. Therefore he understands running and blocking schemes very well having played on the other side of the ball. He has great size at 6'3" 235, is very strong and has very good speed.

TuckYou
02-15-2011, 11:28 AM
DE- Mario Addison from Troy - Late Round Pick</P>


The more I read about this kid the more I see him making an impact in the NFL. Reminds me a bunch of Osi. </P>

Redeyejedi
02-18-2011, 12:27 PM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

<FONT size=5>Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

</FONT>CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...
This is an intriguing player I believe as well. He is a good Kick returner to which is a plus. Ive been watching alot of him the last few days and believe he can play CB in the NFL. He has the speed and athleticism to mirror receivers in man coverage.He is also very solid in zone.He isnt the most physical run defender as a safety but for a corner he would be above average. He has pretty solid ball skills as well. I could see him as a later round option for the Giants for sure. I think im going to put together a video for him.</P>


I look at the returning SC players and they have a hell of a team. Outside of Alabama they have probably the most returning talent in the SEC. I mean they have a great RB in Marcus Lattimore. Maybe the best receiver in CFB in Alshon Jeffery at least Top 3 with Floyd and Blackmon. They have a Hybrid DE/LB pass pusher in Devin Taylor , A top corner prospect in Stephen Gilmore.An NFL SS prospect in Devonte Holloman, NFL DT in Travian Robertson and a very experienced Senior QB in Stephen Garcia.This is a Pre season Top 10 maybe top 5 team in my opinion. Id only put them behind a few teams for sure Oregon,Alabama,Oklahoma,Stanford after that I mean its wide open</P>

thegreatone
02-18-2011, 01:36 PM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

<font size="5">Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

</font>CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...
This is an intriguing player I believe as well. He is a good Kick returner to which is a plus. Ive been watching alot of him the last few days and believe he can play CB in the NFL. He has the speed and athleticism to mirror receivers in man coverage.He is also very solid in zone.He isnt the most physical run defender as a safety but for a corner he would be above average. He has pretty solid ball skills as well. I could see him as a later round option for the Giants for sure. I think im going to put together a video for him.</p>


I look at the returning SC players and they have a hell of a team. Outside of Alabama they have probably the most returning talent in the SEC. I mean they have a great RB in Marcus Lattimore. Maybe the best receiver in CFB in Alshon Jeffery at least Top 3 with Floyd and Blackmon. They have a Hybrid DE/LB pass pusher in Devin Taylor , A top corner prospect in Stephen Gilmore.An NFL SS prospect in Devonte Holloman, NFL DT in Travian Robertson and a very experienced Senior QB in Stephen Garcia.This is a Pre season Top 10 maybe top 5 team in my opinion. Id only put them behind a few teams for sure Oregon,Alabama,Oklahoma,Stanford after that I mean its wide open</p>yeah dont forget clowney committed to them as well. they also have a guy from my hometown corey robinson. a 6-6 317 lb FRESHMAN OT who i will be keeping a close eye on for several reasons. i swear i dont know what they are putting in the water in my hometown but we are starting to crank out some talent.

anyways if you get the video put together make sure to let me know id like to see more of him as well

nycsportzfan
02-18-2011, 02:22 PM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

<font size="5">Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

</font>CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...
This is an intriguing player I believe as well. He is a good Kick returner to which is a plus. Ive been watching alot of him the last few days and believe he can play CB in the NFL. He has the speed and athleticism to mirror receivers in man coverage.He is also very solid in zone.He isnt the most physical run defender as a safety but for a corner he would be above average. He has pretty solid ball skills as well. I could see him as a later round option for the Giants for sure. I think im going to put together a video for him.</p>


I look at the returning SC players and they have a hell of a team. Outside of Alabama they have probably the most returning talent in the SEC. I mean they have a great RB in Marcus Lattimore. Maybe the best receiver in CFB in Alshon Jeffery at least Top 3 with Floyd and Blackmon. They have a Hybrid DE/LB pass pusher in Devin Taylor , A top corner prospect in Stephen Gilmore.An NFL SS prospect in Devonte Holloman, NFL DT in Travian Robertson and a very experienced Senior QB in Stephen Garcia.This is a Pre season Top 10 maybe top 5 team in my opinion. Id only put them behind a few teams for sure Oregon,Alabama,Oklahoma,Stanford after that I mean its wide open</p> Ya, SC is loaded.... I actually am a Lefeged fan, alittle more, but hes not quite as versatile as culliver, but more durable, and also, a ST ace... I think Lefeged can have a David Tyree type effect on the ST coverege teams.

thegreatone
02-28-2011, 08:36 AM
RB allen bradford usc. very intrigued by this kid.

nycsportzfan
02-28-2011, 09:48 AM
RB allen bradford usc. very intrigued by this kid.
Mario Fannin jumped on the list as well.. a impressive combine from him as well...

thegreatone
02-28-2011, 10:04 AM
RB allen bradford usc. very intrigued by this kid.
Mario Fannin jumped on the list as well.. a impressive combine from him as well...
yeah very fast kid. thought locke would run in the high to mid 4.3's but 4.4 isnt too shabby

nycsportzfan
02-28-2011, 01:06 PM
Well, in what has become a Fun traditon on these boards, i decided to start this yrs SLEEPER thread for the 2011 NFL DRAFT... It was a awesome thread last yr, and its meant for mid to later rd guys who people think are gonna make it in the pro's and help our club or a club... Dosen't have to be Super Star, just a guy or guys who will make it and help and become known on the next level...

A guy i'm liking right now for a 6th-7th and maybe 5th if he does good at the Shrine Game and in Pre Draft workouts is DT TERRELL McCLAIN of S.FLORIDA... Hes got very good size and showed enough production to warrent middish to late rd consideration in hopes of finding a gem..McClain offers a nice mix of Run Stopping and at causing havoc in his penetration.. Coach Holtz said Measurable wise, McClain may be the best prospect they have to offer in this yrs draft.. Watch for him to make some noise in moving up some on the way toward the draft... Think 4th-6th rd with a ceiling of 3rd rd if everything in the world works out


Another player i like for the later rounds is Notre Dame CB Darrin Walls.. I've watched him his whole career as a diehard ND fan, and hes got SUNDAY potential.. Not afraid to mix it up in run support with his solid CB SIZE(6ft 190lb), and plays the ball very well in the air... Very expierenced, and easily the best Player in Notre Dames Secondary... Very solid ST player at ND.. Can play man as well as most CB's in college ball, and has nice speed and agility... A Solid all around player.. Think 4th-6th rd

One more Sleeper for now that i'll mention is Louisville TE Cameron Graham... Hes become one of my fave TE prospects out there, with his length and hands... Had 10games of at least 3catches and can block pretty solidly.. OC mike sanford has said, hes a good blend of on the line blocking TE and recevier, and also mentions, hes not the biggest TE, but he works his but off... Graham was highly recruited jr college player, getting scholarship offers from LSU and Arizona st, but chose Louisville due to playing more quickly... A definete player to keep a eye on going forward... Think 5th-7th with ceiling of late 4th...


not bad, on Terrell McClain.. First sleeper of the thread, has done pretty much what i said, and after the combine, may of gotten his ceiling of 3rd rd, we shall see..

Cam Graham on the other hand, wasen't as impressive....

rainierjef
03-02-2011, 04:01 AM
i think shane vereen is a guy that stands out to me, i think he's 4-5 round projected not sure. dont know if hs combine performance raised his stock; he can KR/PR catch out of the backfield, the only thing in question is pass protection ability but i think he can be coached into that

nycsportzfan
03-02-2011, 05:07 AM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

<font size="5">Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

</font>CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...
This is an intriguing player I believe as well. He is a good Kick returner to which is a plus. Ive been watching alot of him the last few days and believe he can play CB in the NFL. He has the speed and athleticism to mirror receivers in man coverage.He is also very solid in zone.He isnt the most physical run defender as a safety but for a corner he would be above average. He has pretty solid ball skills as well. I could see him as a later round option for the Giants for sure. I think im going to put together a video for him.</p>


I look at the returning SC players and they have a hell of a team. Outside of Alabama they have probably the most returning talent in the SEC. I mean they have a great RB in Marcus Lattimore. Maybe the best receiver in CFB in Alshon Jeffery at least Top 3 with Floyd and Blackmon. They have a Hybrid DE/LB pass pusher in Devin Taylor , A top corner prospect in Stephen Gilmore.An NFL SS prospect in Devonte Holloman, NFL DT in Travian Robertson and a very experienced Senior QB in Stephen Garcia.This is a Pre season Top 10 maybe top 5 team in my opinion. Id only put them behind a few teams for sure Oregon,Alabama,Oklahoma,Stanford after that I mean its wide open</p> Ya, SC is loaded.... I actually am a Lefeged fan, alittle more, but hes not quite as versatile as culliver, but more durable, and also, a ST ace... I think Lefeged can have a David Tyree type effect on the ST coverege teams.
Wow, joe lefeged looked stellar yesterday.. I really could see the giants look at the local kid... I mean, he ran a sub 4.5, he hits like a ruanway truck, he projects to be stellar on ST's, and he plays in the box really well, and makes enough plays in coverge, to not be a question mark there, either...Actually, all the guys from this post, did well at the combine, culliver, legree did ok, Gilchrist was stellar, and Lefeged was stellar... Gilchris, Culliver, and Lefeged remind me of Giant type players, and legree a tad more finesse, but u never know...

heavyhitter
03-06-2011, 05:13 AM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

<font size="5">Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

</font>CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...
This is an intriguing player I believe as well. He is a good Kick returner to which is a plus. Ive been watching alot of him the last few days and believe he can play CB in the NFL. He has the speed and athleticism to mirror receivers in man coverage.He is also very solid in zone.He isnt the most physical run defender as a safety but for a corner he would be above average. He has pretty solid ball skills as well. I could see him as a later round option for the Giants for sure. I think im going to put together a video for him.</p>


<font size="6">I look at the returning SC players and they have a hell of a team. Outside of Alabama they have probably the most returning talent in the SEC. </font>I mean they have a great RB in Marcus Lattimore. Maybe the best receiver in CFB in Alshon Jeffery at least Top 3 with Floyd and Blackmon. They have a Hybrid DE/LB pass pusher in Devin Taylor , A top corner prospect in Stephen Gilmore.An NFL SS prospect in Devonte Holloman, NFL DT in Travian Robertson and a very experienced Senior QB in Stephen Garcia.This is a Pre season Top 10 maybe top 5 team in my opinion. Id only put them behind a few teams for sure Oregon,Alabama,Oklahoma,Stanford after that I mean its wide open</p><font size="3">They still got rocked by Florida State in the Chick-fil-A- Bowl Game though. lol- Greg Reid says HI Marcus Lattimore- </font>http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/lattimore-hit-o-1.gif

nycsportzfan
03-06-2011, 10:33 PM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...
Heres a right up of Riser/Fallers from JBScouting.Com, which emphasizes Small School Prospects..
After a great workout for Mark Legree, to go with a Outstanding Combine, hes rising.. I would love to have this guy in the 6th - 7th range... Also, Cortez Allen has intriuged me for sometime, and i think is a nice fit late, if we don't go CB early on...

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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">COMBINE RISERS AND FALLERS</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">This year several small schoolers helped themselves with very few posting bad numbers.</span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Here is a look at those who helped and hurt themselves at the Combine.
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">RISERS</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">CB Cortez Allen, The Citadel- Allen
has elite size at 6012, 197 pounds and ran a very well posting 4.4s in
the 40-yard dash and elite numbers in the short shuttle (4.01), broad
jump (10’9), and 3-cone (6.76). He also did well in the bench with 18
reps and had a solid 35 ½ inch vertical. We project him to free safety
in the NFL and believe he will contribute as a gunner and play edge
containment on kickoff early on. His senior tape wasn’t the best but it
would not be surprising to see someone take him in the late rounds
after</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">C Brandon Fusco, Slippery Rock-
Looking at his size (6’4, 306) he would fit more at guard if he bulked
up so it will be interesting to see where he ends up. His workout was
very good with a strong 26 reps, solid 28 ½ inch vertical, and a
terrific 9’0 broad jump, 7.29 3-cone, and 4.43 short shuttle. His
3-cone, short shuttle, and broad jump are elite for the position.
Fusco’s results are very good overall and should push him up the board.
It would not be shocking to see someone taking him in the late 4<sup>th</sup> round now.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">WR Edmond Gates, Abilene Christian- We
have been told he was a third round projection since September and we
believe this workout confirmed the grades on tape with outstanding
results in the 40-yard dash (4.31-4.37), broad jump (10’11), vertical
(40 inches), and a solid 16 reps at 5116, 192 pounds.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">OG/C Daniel Kilgore, Appalachian
State- The average guard is usually around 6’4 315-320 in the NFL so we
believe Kilgore will be a center since he matches up much closer to the
average (6’3, 302) being that he is 6032, 308 pounds. While his 23 reps
are not up there with the top centers his 32 1/2 inch vertical is very
good for one and his 8’9 broad jump is quite explosive also. He also
came in much faster than the averages in the 3-cone with a 7.59 and
short shuttle with a 4.68. This workout has solidified that he will not
only get drafted but could push him into the 5<sup>th</sup> round.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">FS Mark LeGree, Appalachian State-
LeGree certainly helped himself to debunk the rumors he is stiff or too
slow and confirmed what we have been thinking for the last three years.
We fell in love with him during his sophomore year and knew he had a
chance to be a player. Three All-America seasons later and a solid
Combine workout and he has proven he is a player to watch at the next
level. LeGree measured in at 5114, 210 pounds and ran in the 4.49-4.59
range on hand helds in the 40-yard dash. He also posted elite times in
the 3-cone (6.90) and short shuttle (4.09) as the averages are in the
7.05 and 4.24 range. His jumps weren’t great at 31 inches and a 9’8
broad jump but he was strong in the bench with 21 reps and likely tested
through the roof in the wonderlic compared to other safeties. He was a
borderline draft pick heading into the combine by many but if this
didn't solidify a 5<sup>th</sup>-6<sup>th</sup> round grade we don’t know what will.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">TE Schuylar Oordt, Northern Iowa-
Oordt has the size at 6056, 261 pounds and ran well (mid 4.6s) on hand
helds. He also had a very good 36-inch vertical, 9’11 broad jump, and
posted elite times in the 3-cone (6.83) and short shuttle (4.25). It
would be shocking if he was not taken in the late rounds with these
numbers.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">DT Martin Parker, Richmond- Parker lit
up the combine in the speed, quickness, and initial burst drills. His
size is slightly below average at 6021, 303 pounds but he is very
athletic showing speed (4.95-5.03 40) and great times in the 3-cone
(7.56), short shuttle (4.57), and a solid 29-inch vertical. On tape you
can tell he needs to get stronger and work on lower body power which
showed in the bench (just 22 reps), and average broad jump (8’8). We
believe this Combine solidified and confirmed what we saw on tape but
showed he has elite quickness and speed making him a solid mid round
developmental prospect who could have fallen out of the draft if not for
the good all around times.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">QB Josh Portis, California PA- Because
of his arm strength we won’t say he needs to change positions but if he
wants to he can certainly play receiver with his workout results. At
6027, 211 pounds he would make a good sized receiver and he ran very
posting a 4.59 40-yard dash on some hand helds. His other numbers are
elite for quarterbacks and well above average across the board for
receivers with a 40-inch vertical, 10’6 broad jump, 6.84 3-cone, and
4.12 short shuttle. This could very easily get him drafted but either
way we see him as a developmental quarterback you put on the practice
squad or a total project at receiver. Either way he has upside and will
either be a good one down the road or will end up in the CFL where he
could potentially be a star. This workout likely puts him on many
teams’ draft boards and gives him a chance to be given a stronger look
in training camp.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">WR Cecil Shorts, Mount Union- Shorts
measured in at 5116, 205 pounds and while he is not a great jumper (36
inch vertical, 9’10 broad jump), he ran in the average in the 40-yard
dash (4.50-4.59) and posted very good times in the 3-cone (6.50) and
short shuttle (4.07). Both of those last two times are well above
average. It would be hard to see him going higher than the 5<sup>th</sup> round but this workout should certainly guarantee him a spot in the late rounds, at the very least.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">CB Buster Skrine, Chattanooga- We will
first caution our readers when we say this because he did get burned
for three touchdowns and had five pass interference calls in two games
(Elon and Auburn) showing he does not have the skills against pass heavy
teams. He isn’t elite enough to start but despite being 5094, 186
pounds someone is going to over draft him after his fantastic workout.
He is quick, physical, and explosive but needs to work on man cover
skills, making him a likely a cover two nickel corner who must earn his
keep on special teams. With that said he clocked as low as a 4.37-40
yard dash from the watches we saw and posted outstanding times in the
short shuttle (3.90) and 3-cone (6.44) and then was explosive in jumps
with a 37-inch vertical and 10’2 broad jump. His 20 reps were solid as
well and should only improve as he gains more weight. Because of this
workout he likely lands in the 4<sup>th</sup> or 5<sup>th</sup> round in
our opinion but is a priority free agent or borderline draft pick in
terms of value. His core value is on special teams right now making him
a guy we would take later in the draft and plug in as a gunner, return
man, etc.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">FALLERS</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">CB Justin Rogers, Richmond- Yes he ran
pretty well (4.4s) on hand helds at 5103, 183 but he was expected too.
His other drills were well below average for the most part only
managing 14 reps, a 33-inch vertical, a poor time in the 3-cone (7.21),
and below average 9’6 broad jump. Rogers was in the 5<sup>th</sup> to 6<sup>th</sup>
round range heading in but we now believe he is a borderline draft pick
and might not even get drafted, despite the media hype. We see him as a
7<sup>th</sup>-PFA projection right now.</span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;">ILB/OLB D.J. Smith, Appalachian State-
His workouts showed us what we thought on tape. He’s a tweener who was
great in college but lacks the change of direction skills, strength,
and ideal size despite having average NFL straight line speed. Smith
only measured in at 5105, 239 pounds (two inches shorter than the
average ILB) but clocked in the 4.71-4.78 range on most hand helds. His
other drills were below average or poor across the board only managing
21 reps, a 31-inch vertical, 8’8 broad jump, and 4.45 short shuttle.
All of those times were below average while his 7.35 3-cone is about .20
slower than the average NFL ILB or OLB. He likely solidified a free
agent grade and will have to make a roster on special teams tucked away
on a practice squad or possibly on active roster as a player that is
probably inactive for most of the year, unless injuries occur.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">JEKYLL AND HIDE (CONCERNS)</span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;">WR Ricardo Lockette, Fort Valley
State- If you look at the workout alone Lockette hit a home run coming
in at 6021, 211 pounds and ran in the mid 4.3 range in the 40-yard
dash. He then had a very good workout posting a 10’7 broad jump and
4.19 short shuttle. His vertical was solid at 35 ½ inches but his
3-cone time was a concern falling well below the average 6.9 with a
7.15.</span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Either way his workout was solid
making you believe this kid dominated the D2 ranks like Edmond Gates did
with this athletic ability. Well like we said you would think he
dominated. Looking back at the numbers and the tape we are baffled how
he did no produce. His best value comes in the kickoff return game
where he only managed 24.1 yards per return and was just third on the
team in receiving with 23 catches for 262 yards and one touchdown.
Their leader was tight end Tony Davis who ran in the 4.9s at their
junior pro day recently and clearly outperformed Lockette.</span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;">We also have off field concerns as he
showed that he focused on his 40-yard dash time and didn’t worry about
just being fast on the field when talking to the folks at ESPN First
Take. He also told everyone at the press conference he would lead all
receivers in the bench press and would be the fastest man at Indy but
was not that close to the fastest and he didn’t even bench. He also
told scouts his poor quarterback play was why he did not do well during
the season but failed to record a catch with better quarterbacks at the
HBCU Game and had multiple drops in the NFLPA Game. While he is very
athletic we believe he is an outstanding track guy who just isn’t a
football player right now. We are also concerned about the fact he
failed a drug test in 2009 and missed the season. The explanation we
have received there doesn’t add up either. We will see though… To sum
it up he is rising on the boards of NFL teams but his lack of
production with his athletic ability causes concern and makes us feel he
is a track/workout shorts athlete but just not a football player right
now. If being a great athlete in workout shorts makes you a guy to
develop every time then we want Usain Bolt on our team because he has
better speed numbers than anyone out there.</span></p>


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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">NOTES</span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;">All of the projected guards will need
to bulk up to be average among NFL guards while they all were solid in
drills none of them really stood out.</span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></p>


<span style="font-size: 12pt;">Did not put Pat Devlin in risers but
he had a solid workout. Just didn’t look like a riser compared to Portis
but don’t be fooled, he has good numbers among his position.</span></p></div></td></tr></tbody></table>

nycsportzfan
03-09-2011, 10:11 PM
Denarious Moore is a nice looking Sleeper WR for someone... Had some pretty explosive games, and has decent size, and elite speed... Reminds me of a Mario Manningham/Domenik Hixon type

Raptor22
03-22-2011, 11:55 AM
I haven't seen his name mentioned here (or much of anywhere for that matter), but the Giants (along with the Colts) had private meetings with Prathon Wilkerson (CB) from Albany State.

The only tape I could find was this highlight vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDEap-UrJT0)

Could be a good late-round sleeper.

Redeyejedi
03-22-2011, 05:38 PM
Denarious Moore is a nice looking Sleeper WR for someone... Had some pretty explosive games, and has decent size, and elite speed... Reminds me of a Mario Manningham/Domenik Hixon type
Yeah he was one of the best players on the field in the Texas Nation game

thegreatone
03-24-2011, 09:18 AM
giants apparently met with ollie ogbu a guy ive really like since the Shrine Bowl. didnt have a great year but really stood out to me. glad giants are looking into him.

nycsportzfan
03-26-2011, 07:18 AM
Well, in what has become a Fun traditon on these boards, i decided to start this yrs SLEEPER thread for the 2011 NFL DRAFT... It was a awesome thread last yr, and its meant for mid to later rd guys who people think are gonna make it in the pro's and help our club or a club... Dosen't have to be Super Star, just a guy or guys who will make it and help and become known on the next level...

A guy i'm liking right now for a 6th-7th and maybe 5th if he does good at the Shrine Game and in Pre Draft workouts is DT TERRELL McCLAIN of S.FLORIDA... Hes got very good size and showed enough production to warrent middish to late rd consideration in hopes of finding a gem..McClain offers a nice mix of Run Stopping and at causing havoc in his penetration.. Coach Holtz said Measurable wise, McClain may be the best prospect they have to offer in this yrs draft.. Watch for him to make some noise in moving up some on the way toward the draft... Think 4th-6th rd with a ceiling of 3rd rd if everything in the world works out


Another player i like for the later rounds is Notre Dame CB Darrin Walls.. I've watched him his whole career as a diehard ND fan, and hes got SUNDAY potential.. Not afraid to mix it up in run support with his solid CB SIZE(6ft 190lb), and plays the ball very well in the air... Very expierenced, and easily the best Player in Notre Dames Secondary... Very solid ST player at ND.. Can play man as well as most CB's in college ball, and has nice speed and agility... A Solid all around player.. Think 4th-6th rd

One more Sleeper for now that i'll mention is Louisville TE Cameron Graham... Hes become one of my fave TE prospects out there, with his length and hands... Had 10games of at least 3catches and can block pretty solidly.. OC mike sanford has said, hes a good blend of on the line blocking TE and recevier, and also mentions, hes not the biggest TE, but he works his but off... Graham was highly recruited jr college player, getting scholarship offers from LSU and Arizona st, but chose Louisville due to playing more quickly... A definete player to keep a eye on going forward... Think 5th-7th with ceiling of late 4th...


Welp, speaking about my first sleeper on this thread, it looks like mr. McClain has made his move, as expected, and i'd love to get this guy, in the RD 3-4 range, if were to lose big barry... He would be a steal, as barry was, in rd 4... McClain is physical, and very strong, with a ability to do both, stop the run, and get some of the QB and RB's behind the line... Hes a solid anchor, and is kinda a poor mans Drake Nevis... I see, McClain as a starter down the line, and long time NFL vet, when said and done... Also, sheds blocks pretty well

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/SouthFlorida_logo.gif
Terrell McClain, DT, South Florida

Height: 6-2. Weight: 291.
Projected 40 Time: 5.13.
Combine 40 Time: 5.02.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.82.
Benchx225: 29. Vertical: 28. Arm: 32 3/4.
Projected Round (2011): 3-4.


3/26/11: Terrell McClain had a phenomenal Pro Day. He dropped
two tenths off his 40 and looked great in the drills in front of Rod
Marinelli. He could sneak into Day

heavyhitter
03-29-2011, 07:58 AM
<font size="3">** Jock Sanders, WR/RB, West Virginia
** Josh Bynes, LB, Auburn

I think both of those 2 might fall deep in the draft and could make an impact in the NFL. This thread has covered about every prospect, but I don't remember anyone mentioning these two.</font>

tdawg1413
04-05-2011, 12:03 PM
Hello guys, I'm new to the boards but I have been a huge Giant fan since the early 80's and follow the NFL Draft extensively. Here is a sleeper TE I cam across. Could be a good late round guy as he can catch and with that size I would hope he can block a little.</P>


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http://walterfootball.com/college/IowaState_logo.gif Collin Franklin, TE, Iowa State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 256.
Projected 40 Time: N/A.
Combine 40 Time: DNP.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.69.
Benchx225: 28. Vertical: 34.5.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
4/4/11: Collin Franklin is an intriguing late-round tight end prospect. He caught 54 balls for 530 yards in 2010. He posted a 4.69 40, a broad jump of 10-4 and 28 reps of 225 at Iowa State's Pro Day.

</P>

bigbluesd
04-07-2011, 04:11 PM
Hello guys, I'm new to the boards but I have been a huge Giant fan since the early 80's and follow the NFL Draft extensively. Here is a sleeper TE I cam across. Could be a good late round guy as he can catch and with that size I would hope he can block a little.</p>


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http://walterfootball.com/college/IowaState_logo.gif Collin Franklin, TE, Iowa State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 256.
Projected 40 Time: N/A.
Combine 40 Time: DNP.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.69.
Benchx225: 28. Vertical: 34.5.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
4/4/11: Collin Franklin is an intriguing late-round tight end prospect. He caught 54 balls for 530 yards in 2010. He posted a 4.69 40, a broad jump of 10-4 and 28 reps of 225 at Iowa State's Pro Day.

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Da'rell Scott RB Maryland.....game breaking speed! Rarely ever gets
caught from behind. He backed it up with a 4.35 _40 time at combine.

One
of my sleepers of the draft.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hleY7FV8Lhk&amp;feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hleY7FV8Lhk&amp;feature=related)
Here ya go...put it in the right thread

bigbluesd
04-07-2011, 04:13 PM
Giants brought in Taiwan Jones for a personal meeting according to BBV.
Check out his tape if you have not already. This guy has big play
ability and may be available after round 4. I am glad we appear
interested.

http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/4/7/2095682/giants-2011-prospect-watch-ben-ijalana-ras-i-dowling-added (http:///)

Scroll
down and he is 2nd on the list I believe.

Here is another one....

titwio
04-07-2011, 04:22 PM
Giants brought in Taiwan Jones for a personal meeting according to BBV.*
Check out his tape if you have not already.* This guy has big play
ability and may be available after round 4.* I am glad we appear
interested.

http://www.bigblueview.com/2011/4/7/2095682/giants-2011-prospect-watch-ben-ijalana-ras-i-dowling-added (http:///)

Scroll
down and he is 2nd on the list I believe.

Here is another one....


I'm glad the Giants are interested also....The Giants need some speed on O....

Taiwan would be a great threat...

bigbluesd
04-07-2011, 05:20 PM
Here is another sleeper at Center in case plan abcd dont work

John Gianninoto Center from UNLV...this guy has the speed to get to the second level. Giants were at his pro day.
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BlueSanta
04-07-2011, 07:05 PM
Well, in what has become a Fun traditon on these boards, i decided to start this yrs SLEEPER thread for the 2011 NFL DRAFT... It was a awesome thread last yr, and its meant for mid to later rd guys who people think are gonna make it in the pro's and help our club or a club... Dosen't have to be Super Star, just a guy or guys who will make it and help and become known on the next level...

A guy i'm liking right now for a 6th-7th and maybe 5th if he does good at the Shrine Game and in Pre Draft workouts is DT TERRELL McCLAIN of S.FLORIDA... Hes got very good size and showed enough production to warrent middish to late rd consideration in hopes of finding a gem..McClain offers a nice mix of Run Stopping and at causing havoc in his penetration.. Coach Holtz said Measurable wise, McClain may be the best prospect they have to offer in this yrs draft.. Watch for him to make some noise in moving up some on the way toward the draft... Think 4th-6th rd with a ceiling of 3rd rd if everything in the world works out


Another player i like for the later rounds is Notre Dame CB Darrin Walls.. I've watched him his whole career as a diehard ND fan, and hes got SUNDAY potential.. Not afraid to mix it up in run support with his solid CB SIZE(6ft 190lb), and plays the ball very well in the air... Very expierenced, and easily the best Player in Notre Dames Secondary... Very solid ST player at ND.. Can play man as well as most CB's in college ball, and has nice speed and agility... A Solid all around player.. Think 4th-6th rd

One more Sleeper for now that i'll mention is Louisville TE Cameron Graham... Hes become one of my fave TE prospects out there, with his length and hands... Had 10games of at least 3catches and can block pretty solidly.. OC mike sanford has said, hes a good blend of on the line blocking TE and recevier, and also mentions, hes not the biggest TE, but he works his but off... Graham was highly recruited jr college player, getting scholarship offers from LSU and Arizona st, but chose Louisville due to playing more quickly... A definete player to keep a eye on going forward... Think 5th-7th with ceiling of late 4th...


Welp, speaking about my first sleeper on this thread, it looks like mr. McClain has made his move, as expected, and i'd love to get this guy, in the RD 3-4 range, if were to lose big barry... He would be a steal, as barry was, in rd 4... McClain is physical, and very strong, with a ability to do both, stop the run, and get some of the QB and RB's behind the line... Hes a solid anchor, and is kinda a poor mans Drake Nevis... I see, McClain as a starter down the line, and long time NFL vet, when said and done... Also, sheds blocks pretty well

http://www.walterfootball.com/college/SouthFlorida_logo.gif
Terrell McClain, DT, South Florida

Height: 6-2. Weight: 291.
Projected 40 Time: 5.13.
Combine 40 Time: 5.02.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.82.
Benchx225: 29. Vertical: 28. Arm: 32 3/4.
Projected Round (2011): 3-4.


3/26/11: Terrell McClain had a phenomenal Pro Day. He dropped
two tenths off his 40 and looked great in the drills in front of Rod
Marinelli. He could sneak into Day


The Pats have had a bazillion interviews with this kid. The word is they love him.

Redeyejedi
04-07-2011, 07:11 PM
Hello guys, I'm new to the boards but I have been a huge Giant fan since the early 80's and follow the NFL Draft extensively. Here is a sleeper TE I cam across. Could be a good late round guy as he can catch and with that size I would hope he can block a little.</P>


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http://walterfootball.com/college/IowaState_logo.gif Collin Franklin, TE, Iowa State
Height: 6-6. Weight: 256.
Projected 40 Time: N/A.
Combine 40 Time: DNP.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.69.
Benchx225: 28. Vertical: 34.5.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.
4/4/11: Collin Franklin is an intriguing late-round tight end prospect. He caught 54 balls for 530 yards in 2010. He posted a 4.69 40, a broad jump of 10-4 and 28 reps of 225 at Iowa State's Pro Day.

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Da'rell Scott RB Maryland.....game breaking speed! Rarely ever gets caught from behind. He backed it up with a 4.35 _40 time at combine.

One of my sleepers of the draft.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hleY7FV8Lhk&amp;feature=related (http:///)

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Your link doesnt work here is my Scott vid</P>


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Redeyejedi
04-11-2011, 08:10 PM
How about this for the Sleeper thread. 28% of the NFL's players are undrafted FA's.Here is the breakdown from last year of the 2046 players that were on rosters or IR at the end of the season</P>


1st round- 292</P>


2nd round- 239</P>


3rd round- 219</P>


4th round- 212</P>


5th round- 172</P>


6th round- 160</P>


7th round- 172</P>


Not Drafted- 574</P>


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Breakdown from the conferences</P>


SEC 308</P>


ACC 278</P>


Big 10 256</P>


Big 12 221</P>


PAC 10 215</P>


Big East 115</P>


Others 641</P>


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Top 20 Schools for NFL Players</P>


1.Miami 45</P>


2.LSU 44</P>


3.Ohio State 42</P>


Texas 42 </P>


5.USC 39</P>


6.Georgia 38</P>


7.Florida 36</P>


8.Tenn 35</P>


9.Michigan 33</P>


California 33</P>


11.FSU 31</P>


12.Iowa 30</P>


13.Nebraska 29</P>


Maryland 29</P>


Penn State 29</P>


16.Auburn 27</P>


Notre Dame 27</P>


18.Alabama 26</P>


Purdue 26</P>


20. GT 25</P>


Virgina 25</P>


Oregon 25</P>


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nycsportzfan
04-11-2011, 10:16 PM
How about this for the Sleeper thread. 28% of the NFL's players are undrafted FA's.Here is the breakdown from last year of the 2046 players that were on rosters or IR at the end of the season</p>


1st round- 292</p>


2nd round- 239</p>


3rd round- 219</p>


4th round- 212</p>


5th round- 172</p>


6th round- 160</p>


7th round- 172</p>


Not Drafted- 574</p>


</p>


Breakdown from the conferences</p>


SEC 308</p>


ACC 278</p>


Big 10 256</p>


Big 12 221</p>


PAC 10 215</p>


Big East 115</p>


Others 641</p>


</p>


Top 20 Schools for NFL Players</p>


1.Miami 45</p>


2.LSU 44</p>


3.Ohio State 42</p>


Texas 42 </p>


5.USC 39</p>


6.Georgia 38</p>


7.Florida 36</p>


8.Tenn 35</p>


9.Michigan 33</p>


California 33</p>


11.FSU 31</p>


12.Iowa 30</p>


13.Nebraska 29</p>


Maryland 29</p>


Penn State 29</p>


16.Auburn 27</p>


Notre Dame 27</p>


18.Alabama 26</p>


Purdue 26</p>


20. GT 25</p>


Virgina 25</p>


Oregon 25</p>


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</p> Awesome stuff, redeye! This is why u and i spend so much time on any and all prospects...lol Check out the 5th rd draft picks, tied with the 7th rd draft picks... Crazy!

lawl
04-11-2011, 10:27 PM
How about this for the Sleeper thread. 28% of the NFL's players are undrafted FA's.Here is the breakdown from last year of the 2046 players that were on rosters or IR at the end of the season</P>


1st round- 292</P>


2nd round- 239</P>


3rd round- 219</P>


4th round- 212</P>


5th round- 172</P>


6th round- 160</P>


7th round- 172</P>


Not Drafted- 574</P>


</P>


Breakdown from the conferences</P>


SEC 308</P>


ACC 278</P>


Big 10 256</P>


Big 12 221</P>


PAC 10 215</P>


Big East 115</P>


Others 641</P>


</P>


Top 20 Schools for NFL Players</P>


1.Miami 45</P>


2.LSU 44</P>


3.Ohio State 42</P>


Texas 42 </P>


5.USC 39</P>


6.Georgia 38</P>


7.Florida 36</P>


8.Tenn 35</P>


9.Michigan 33</P>


California 33</P>


11.FSU 31</P>


12.Iowa 30</P>


13.Nebraska 29</P>


Maryland 29</P>


Penn State 29</P>


16.Auburn 27</P>


Notre Dame 27</P>


18.Alabama 26</P>


Purdue 26</P>


20. GT 25</P>


Virgina 25</P>


Oregon 25</P>


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Awesome stuff, redeye! This is why u and i spend so much time on any and all prospects...lol Check out the 5th rd draft picks, tied with the 7th rd draft picks... Crazy!
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maybe has to do with their being alot more comp picks in the 7th as opposed to the 5th, thus more players drafted in the 7th leading to a higher chance that said players make a team?</P>


just a thought.</P>

nycsportzfan
04-11-2011, 11:46 PM
How about this for the Sleeper thread. 28% of the NFL's players are undrafted FA's.Here is the breakdown from last year of the 2046 players that were on rosters or IR at the end of the season</p>


1st round- 292</p>


2nd round- 239</p>


3rd round- 219</p>


4th round- 212</p>


5th round- 172</p>


6th round- 160</p>


7th round- 172</p>


Not Drafted- 574</p>


</p>


Breakdown from the conferences</p>


SEC 308</p>


ACC 278</p>


Big 10 256</p>


Big 12 221</p>


PAC 10 215</p>


Big East 115</p>


Others 641</p>


</p>


Top 20 Schools for NFL Players</p>


1.Miami 45</p>


2.LSU 44</p>


3.Ohio State 42</p>


Texas 42 </p>


5.USC 39</p>


6.Georgia 38</p>


7.Florida 36</p>


8.Tenn 35</p>


9.Michigan 33</p>


California 33</p>


11.FSU 31</p>


12.Iowa 30</p>


13.Nebraska 29</p>


Maryland 29</p>


Penn State 29</p>


16.Auburn 27</p>


Notre Dame 27</p>


18.Alabama 26</p>


Purdue 26</p>


20. GT 25</p>


Virgina 25</p>


Oregon 25</p>


</p>


</p>


Awesome stuff, redeye! This is why u and i spend so much time on any and all prospects...lol Check out the 5th rd draft picks, tied with the 7th rd draft picks... Crazy!
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maybe has to do with their being alot more comp picks in the 7th as opposed to the 5th, thus more players drafted in the 7th leading to a higher chance that said players make a team?</p>


just a thought.</p> oh, definetly has something to do with it.. But still, a insane rate, any way u cut the dice... Heres something else, thats kinda along the same lines...

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In a draft with few sure things -- even at the top -- it seems
fairly certain that juniors A.J. Green from Georgia and Alabama's
Julio Jones will be off the board in the first dozen picks. </p>


"Me and Julio are just alike, we don't get caught up in the hype
and we're just two guys trying to be the best," Green said at the
scouting combine. "I think I'm the best, I'm going to do what I
can to be the No. 1 receiver and I feel like Julio's going to do
his best -- we're not going to be mad if I'm not the top receiver
drafted." </p>

In what order the stars of the 2008
recruiting class and All-SEC rivals are likely to be drafted has
become more debated since Jones' blazing and widely unexpected
combine workout. Jones, knocked for his straight-line speed, ran
40 yards in the 4.34 seconds, besting Green (4.48) in the one area
in which the Bulldog had a plain advantage on game film. More
praise was heaped on Jones once it was learned he went through
drills and tests knowing he had a fractured foot. He only shed the
walking boot on his right foot at the end of March. </p>


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decleating defensive backs, not toasting them with his speed.
Green, no sprinter in his own right, runs smooth routes with
natural and free movement in all directions with short-area
quickness to separate from clingy coverage.

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history shows draft position means little to a wide receiver
prospect's long-term future, and if anything shows neither player should
necessarily be pining to be picked first. Darrius Heyward-Bey
(2009) and Donnie Avery (2008) were the top wide receivers drafted
in their classes, and players such as Ted Ginn (2007), Chad
Jackson (2006), Troy Williamson, Mike Williams (2005) and Reggie
Williams (2004) show that being one of the first two or three
receivers off the board doesn't portend NFL greatness. </p>


At least one tight end has been selected in the first round in
each of the past 11 drafts, and 16 overall, but any expectations
teams have of finding a great one in this class borders on
unreasonable. </p>

Notre Dame junior Kyle Rudolph is the
best of an average bunch, but a hamstring avulsion -- meaning the
muscle separated from the bone -- kept him on the sideline for the
second half of the 2010 season. He's been running since February
but caught everything in sight at his April 7 pro day, where his
athletic testing was solid but unspectacular as expected. </p>


Rudolph could go in the late first round, as Greg Olsen (31st
overall, Bears) did as the first tight end drafted in 2007 or
Marcedes Lewis (28th overall, Jaguars) in 2006 if a needy team
gets anxious even if NFLDraftScout.com has him rated as the 40th
overall prospect. </p>

Tennessee's Luke Stocker can't be
confused with Jason Witten, but he and D.J. Williams, whose 4.59
speed and soft hands could be coveted, should battle to be the
second tight end drafted. </p>

A closer look at the top wide receivers and tight ends in this draft: </p>

titwio
04-12-2011, 04:46 PM
Lance Kendricks ran a 4.5 flat at his Pro Day and improved upon everything he did at the combine...His workout was being compared to Dustin Kellers....Some scouts said it was better....He will most likely be the second TE off the board....Mayock also has him as his #2....

I'm a big D.J fan also but I really don't see him coming off the board earlier than the 4th TE taken....

Redeyejedi
04-12-2011, 05:48 PM
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titwio
04-12-2011, 06:02 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquizz Rodgers vs Oregon</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FaVQ_OwXiI) </DIV>
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Thanks for this....

Just watched his game vs Washington yesterday on Espn Classic....

How can teams not love this guy....The guy is durable as all heck....Doesn't drop a thing and doesn't put the ball on the ground....

I see big things for Quizz at the next level....He's been on my boom's list for a while now....

P.S....What a great pop he put on #20...

nycsportzfan
04-13-2011, 06:29 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Jacquizz Rodgers vs Oregon</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FaVQ_OwXiI) </div>
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Thanks for this....

Just watched his game vs Washington yesterday on Espn Classic....

How can teams not love this guy....The guy is durable as all heck....Doesn't drop a thing and doesn't put the ball on the ground....

I see big things for Quizz at the next level....He's been on my boom's list for a while now....

P.S....What a great pop he put on #20... Yup, and he plays bigger then his size, making him very versatile runner, that can not only play that scat back type, but also, run full steam ahead, and move a defender backward... I love Jaquizz, as well....

thegreatone
04-14-2011, 10:46 AM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

OT) Joseph Barksdale LSU
Marcus Gilbert Florida
Christian Hairston Clem
William Rackley Lehigh

OG) Steve Schilling Mich
Justin Boren OSU

C) Zane Taylor Utah (41 reps at pro day, giddy-up)
ryan bartholomew Syr
Tim Barnes Mizzo
Stefen wisneiwski PSU (only reason why im putting him is cause i heard he has been falling)


DE) Sam Acho Texas
Pernell Mcphee Miss St. (if he goes 3-4 and adds weight i think he ideal there)
Ricky Elmore Ari.
Mario Addison Troy

DT) Chris Neild WVU
Ollie Ogbu PSU

OLB) Eric Gordon Mich ST
Jerimiah Hunter Iowa
Kenny Rowe Ore.
D.J. Smith Appalachian ST
Brian Rolle OSU

ILB) Alex Wujciak Maryland

CB) Demarcus Van Dyke U
Byron Maxwell Clem
Ryan Jones NW Missouri ST
Buster Skrine
Kendric Burney UNC

S) Dom Diccico Pitt
Brian Lainhardt Kent
Andrew Rich BYU
Tejay Johnson TCU
Mark Legree Ap ST


That this years crop

nycsportzfan
04-14-2011, 07:48 PM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

To be continued...
I like Yates as well.. Also, Maehl has been on my list for sometime now..... I have to re-vise my list as well, because alot of my guys like Johnny Patrick, Davon House, Terrell McClain, and bilal powell, have kinda came outta SLEEPER status....

nycsportzfan
04-14-2011, 07:51 PM
ANother guy i've talked about, that has garnered a ton of interest is Charles Clay of Tulsa... Litteraly, that dude has worked out for like 13teams, it seems... Hes so freaking versatile, and has solid hands, from being a WR, and he can punish outta the backfield, and give u reps at TE or FB.. Crazy prospect...

Redeyejedi
04-14-2011, 08:29 PM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

To be continued...
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I like some of these RB's. Brandon Saine is the one that really intrigues me as an UDFA. He is a very good receiver for a RB. He just didnt get opportunities with all the other players he got lost in the shuffle. He can be an effective 3rd down back / utility type player.</P>


Bradford was effective in every game they gave him a good amount of carries. He averaged 7.2 YPC.</P>

thegreatone
04-14-2011, 08:29 PM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

To be continued...
I like Yates as well.. Also, Maehl has been on my list for sometime now..... I have to re-vise my list as well, because alot of my guys like Johnny Patrick, Davon House, Terrell McClain, and bilal powell, have kinda came outta SLEEPER status....

yeah they have. i think outta that list of wr's vincent brown has the chance to be the biggest star but all i listed i feel can/will make a squad and be solid contributors if not stars. lockette is a real enigma for me. Did squat in college but has great speed,good measurables, and looked pretty good at the bine.

thegreatone
04-14-2011, 08:34 PM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

To be continued...
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I like some of these RB's. Brandon Saine is the one that really intrigues me as an UDFA. He is a very good receiver for a RB. He just didnt get opportunities with all the other players he got lost in the shuffle. He can be an effective 3rd down back / utility type player.</p>


Bradford was effective in every game they gave him a good amount of carries. He averaged 7.2 YPC.</p>agree on both. i think bradford can be a better version of BJ. shorter, lower center of gravity, wont get tripped up as easily and blazing fast for his size.

titwio
04-15-2011, 12:54 AM
Not a lot of talk about this guy but I think he's dynamite....

Chad Spann RB- 5'8 198....Northern Illinois

Small tough guy in the mold of Bradshaw but runs like a quicker Michael Turner....Has a good burst and is hard to bring down...4.47 40 at his Pro Day...

From what I hear the Colts are highly interested and have been working him out....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU2b7G2Oocg&feature=related

Another RB with great value in the mid to later rounds...

nycsportzfan
04-15-2011, 02:14 AM
Not a lot of talk about this guy but I think he's dynamite....

Chad Spann RB- 5'8 198....Northern Illinois

Small tough guy in the mold of Bradshaw but runs like a quicker Michael Turner....Has a good burst and is hard to bring down...4.47 40 at his Pro Day...

From what I hear the Colts are highly interested and have been working him out....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU2b7G2Oocg&amp;feature=related

Another RB with great value in the mid to later rounds...ya, i like em, seen em a few times on T.V, and mentioned em as a player to watch in this thread, during the TEX VS NATION game... Solid later rd RB prospect...

baywest
04-15-2011, 03:21 AM
You forgot Jeremiha Hunter. He is the 20th all time tackler in Iowa's history. His stock fell because he hurt his knee and missed a couple of game at the end of the season. However he was still Iowa's top tackler this season and the number 2 tackler last season. His stock is rising fast. Look at the nfl profile on him.

thegreatone
04-15-2011, 04:52 AM
You forgot Jeremiha Hunter. He is the 20th all time tackler in Iowa's history. His stock fell because he hurt his knee and missed a couple of game at the end of the season. However he was still Iowa's top tackler this season and the number 2 tackler last season. His stock is rising fast. Look at the nfl profile on him.go to the very first page towards the end, i have him listed.

thegreatone
04-15-2011, 10:11 AM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

OT) Joseph Barksdale LSU
Marcus Gilbert Florida

OG) Steve Schilling Mich
Justin Boren OSU

C) Zane Taylor Utah (41 reps at pro day, giddy-up)



DE) Sam Acho Texas

Pernell Mcphee Miss St. (if he goes 3-4 and adds weight i think he ideal there)

Ricky Elmore Ari.

Mario Addison Troy



DT) Chris Neild WVU

Ollie Ogbu PSU



OLB) Eric Gordon Mich ST

Jerimiah Hunter Iowa

Kenny Rowe Ore.

D.J. Smith Appalachian ST

Brian Rolle OSU



ILB) Alex Wujciak Maryland

mario Harvey Marsh

CB) Demarcus Van Dyke U

Byron Maxwell Clem

Ryan Jones NW Missouri ST

Buster Skrine

Kendric Burney UNC



S) Dom Diccico Pitt

Brian Lainhardt Kent

Andrew Rich BYU

Tejay Johnson TCU

Mark Legree Ap ST



That this years crop

Redeyejedi
04-15-2011, 11:15 AM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

OT) Joseph Barksdale LSU
Marcus Gilbert Florida

OG) Steve Schilling Mich
Justin Boren OSU

C) Zane Taylor Utah (41 reps at pro day, giddy-up)

DE) Sam Acho Texas
Pernell Mcphee Miss St. (if he goes 3-4 and adds weight i think he ideal there)
Ricky Elmore Ari.
Mario Addison Troy

DT) Chris Neild WVU
Ollie Ogbu PSU

OLB) Eric Gordon Mich ST
Jerimiah Hunter Iowa
Kenny Rowe Ore.
D.J. Smith Appalachian ST
Brian Rolle OSU

ILB) Alex Wujciak Maryland

CB) Demarcus Van Dyke U
Byron Maxwell Clem
Ryan Jones NW Missouri ST
Buster Skrine
Kendric Burney UNC

S) Dom Diccico Pitt
Brian Lainhardt Kent
Andrew Rich BYU
Tejay Johnson TCU
Mark Legree Ap ST


That this years crop</P>


Dom Decicco ay. I havehis plays scribed. I thought about making a vid of him because I like his size but didnt think anyone would watch it. He could be a good 3rd safety</P>

thegreatone
04-15-2011, 12:08 PM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST
T.J. Yates UNC
Tyrod Taylor VT

RB) Baron Batch TT
Derrick Locke Kentucky
Brandon Saine OSU
Allen Bradford USC
Da'Rel Scott Maryland
Graig Cooper U
Roy Helu JR Neb(lot of RB's i like i know lol)

WR) Matt Szczur (if he pursues football)
Joe Morgan Walsh
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State
Jeff Maehl Oregon
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU
Vincent Brown SDST

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa
Stephen Skelton Fordham

OT) Joseph Barksdale LSU
Marcus Gilbert Florida

OG) Steve Schilling Mich
Justin Boren OSU

C) Zane Taylor Utah (41 reps at pro day, giddy-up)

DE) Sam Acho Texas
Pernell Mcphee Miss St. (if he goes 3-4 and adds weight i think he ideal there)
Ricky Elmore Ari.
Mario Addison Troy

DT) Chris Neild WVU
Ollie Ogbu PSU

OLB) Eric Gordon Mich ST
Jerimiah Hunter Iowa
Kenny Rowe Ore.
D.J. Smith Appalachian ST
Brian Rolle OSU

ILB) Alex Wujciak Maryland

CB) Demarcus Van Dyke U
Byron Maxwell Clem
Ryan Jones NW Missouri ST
Buster Skrine
Kendric Burney UNC

S) Dom Diccico Pitt
Brian Lainhardt Kent
Andrew Rich BYU
Tejay Johnson TCU
Mark Legree Ap ST


That this years crop</p>


Dom Decicco ay. I havehis plays scribed. I thought about making a vid of him because I like his size but didnt think anyone would watch it. He could be a good 3rd safety</p>id watch it. kid has a lot of potential.

Redeyejedi
04-15-2011, 01:33 PM
ANother guy i've talked about, that has garnered a ton of interest is Charles Clay of Tulsa... Litteraly, that dude has worked out for like 13teams, it seems... Hes so freaking versatile, and has solid hands, from being a WR, and he can punish outta the backfield, and give u reps at TE or FB.. Crazy prospect...
</P>


I was watching some on him before . They didnt use him many snaps as an in line blocker against Hawaii.When they used him as a blocker they generallyused him inthe single wing as an Hback or a Shotgun Wishbone formation that Im not exactly sure what U call it.The majority of his snaps were as a slot receiver,handful at RB. Pretty versatile player. I would of liked to see how he blocked up on the line or some more straight up lead blocker in the I or something. I was thinking of making a short vid of him because u have talked about him thought some may find it interesting</P>


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/432594/formation_medium.PNG (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/432594/formation.PNG)</P>

BlueSanta
04-15-2011, 02:29 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Jacquizz Rodgers vs Oregon</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FaVQ_OwXiI) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">just put this up</div>

Thanks for this....

Just watched his game vs Washington yesterday on Espn Classic....

How can teams not love this guy....The guy is durable as all heck....Doesn't drop a thing and doesn't put the ball on the ground....

I see big things for Quizz at the next level....He's been on my boom's list for a while now....

P.S....What a great pop he put on #20... Yup, and he plays bigger then his size, making him very versatile runner, that can not only play that scat back type, but also, run full steam ahead, and move a defender backward... I love Jaquizz, as well....


I think the words out on him. He has been steadily rising this offseason.

BlueSanta
04-15-2011, 02:41 PM
Mario Fannin- RB Auburn.

Hard to imagin the starting tailback of the national championship Tigers as a sleeper, but I believe he is just that.

I watch video of him and see a perfect fit for what we need. I love his build 5'10.5" 230 lbs. He ran a remarkable 4.38 at the combine. Guys his size dont run like that. He is a fantastic reciever out of the backfield who was under utilized at Auburn. Watch his tape and you will see a kid catch the ball out of the backfield, always with his hands, then turn upfield with anger and purpose.

Most guys who run 4.38 dont run north south like him, the ones who do have success in the NFL.

Redeyejedi
04-15-2011, 04:12 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Jacquizz Rodgers vs Oregon</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FaVQ_OwXiI) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>just put this up</DIV>


Thanks for this.... Just watched his game vs Washington yesterday on Espn Classic.... How can teams not love this guy....The guy is durable as all heck....Doesn't drop a thing and doesn't put the ball on the ground.... I see big things for Quizz at the next level....He's been on my boom's list for a while now.... P.S....What a great pop he put on #20... Yup, and he plays bigger then his size, making him very versatile runner, that can not only play that scat back type, but also, run full steam ahead, and move a defender backward... I love Jaquizz, as well....


I think the words out on him. He has been steadily rising this offseason.
</P>


wrong qoute</P>

Redeyejedi
04-15-2011, 04:14 PM
Mario Fannin- RB Auburn.

Hard to imagin the starting tailback of the national championship Tigers as a sleeper, but I believe he is just that.

I watch video of him and see a perfect fit for what we need. I love his build 5'10.5" 230 lbs. He ran a remarkable 4.38 at the combine. Guys his size dont run like that. He is a fantastic reciever out of the backfield who was under utilized at Auburn. Watch his tape and you will see a kid catch the ball out of the backfield, always with his hands, then turn upfield with anger and purpose.

Most guys who run 4.38 dont run north south like him, the ones who do have success in the NFL.
</P>


Yeah he got stuck behind Michael Dyer who was the Number 1 RB recruit in the Country plus Cam Newton.</P>

Redeyejedi
04-15-2011, 09:26 PM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Charles Clay vs Hawaii</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnnqcKxk0Ek) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Greg Salas vs Tulsa</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPz5-fc-Vo) </DIV></DIV>

nycsportzfan
04-15-2011, 10:22 PM
ANother guy i've talked about, that has garnered a ton of interest is Charles Clay of Tulsa... Litteraly, that dude has worked out for like 13teams, it seems... Hes so freaking versatile, and has solid hands, from being a WR, and he can punish outta the backfield, and give u reps at TE or FB.. Crazy prospect...
</p>


I was watching some on him before . They didnt use him many snaps as an in line blocker against Hawaii.When they used him as a blocker they generallyused him inthe single wing as an Hback or a Shotgun Wishbone formation that Im not exactly sure what U call it.The majority of his snaps were as a slot receiver,handful at RB. Pretty versatile player. I would of liked to see how he blocked up on the line or some more straight up lead blocker in the I or something. I was thinking of making a short vid of him because u have talked about him thought some may find it interesting</p>


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/432594/formation_medium.PNG (http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/432594/formation.PNG)</p> ya, he was the lead blocker for there all time leading rusher, tarrian adams, when he was there, and they've pretty much did everything with him, since his first getting to tulsa... Hes got the best hands of any FB, if u use him there, and has some expierence throughout his career lining up in many diffrent ways, wheater it be H-back, FB, WR, or RB... I think he did diffrent things more each yr, depending on what TULSA had around at the time... So, what u see from him this yr, pretty much may not be what he did last yr, and what he did last yr, might not be what he did most of the yr before... You'd have to get a Game Film of him from every yr he was at TUlsa to get a good feel of what he excels at most...

nycsportzfan
04-15-2011, 10:26 PM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Charles Clay vs Hawaii</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnnqcKxk0Ek) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Salas vs Tulsa</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPz5-fc-Vo) </div></div> I'd like to see that Salas VS U.S.C game again.. Remember Salas was one of the first guys i talked about, on one of our major threads, as he was catching and involved like on every play it felt, against the trojans.... He had 8catches for a 124... I knew he had something, just from that game, alone... He was awesome!

thegreatone
04-16-2011, 09:33 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Charles Clay vs Hawaii</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnnqcKxk0Ek) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Salas vs Tulsa</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPz5-fc-Vo) </div></div> I'd like to see that Salas VS U.S.C game again.. Remember Salas was one of the first guys i talked about, on one of our major threads, as he was catching and involved like on every play it felt, against the trojans.... He had 8catches for a 124... I knew he had something, just from that game, alone... He was awesome!

i think i mentioned salas in last years thread thinking he would come out. didnt really mention him this year cause was scared it was that hawaii system inflating his numbers. after watching a little tape on him i have to agree with you he is gonna be a very decent wr. most likely a slot best case a no 2.

Redeyejedi
04-16-2011, 10:40 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Austin Pettis vs Hawaii and Utah</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unf3x5rtAJA) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>I screwed up converting the first quarter of the Hawaii game and messed up the quality. Sorry usually my vids look better then this</DIV>

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 03:41 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Charles Clay vs Hawaii</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnnqcKxk0Ek) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Greg Salas vs Tulsa</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuPz5-fc-Vo) </div></div> I'd like to see that Salas VS U.S.C game again.. Remember Salas was one of the first guys i talked about, on one of our major threads, as he was catching and involved like on every play it felt, against the trojans.... He had 8catches for a 124... I knew he had something, just from that game, alone... He was awesome!

i think i mentioned salas in last years thread thinking he would come out. didnt really mention him this year cause was scared it was that hawaii system inflating his numbers. after watching a little tape on him i have to agree with you he is gonna be a very decent wr. most likely a slot best case a no 2.
Ya, i see em as a sure handed wr, that makes his living underneath, but like our very own steve smith, can at time, stretch the field and because of his hands, and body contorl, make the deep catch..

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 03:42 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Austin Pettis vs Hawaii and Utah</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unf3x5rtAJA) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">I screwed up converting the first quarter of the Hawaii game and messed up the quality. Sorry usually my vids look better then this</div> Why in the World austin pettis is talked about as like a 4th-6th rd propsect, is beyond me.. Another case of silly 40times and stuff like that, hurting what is a great football players, stock.. Pettis is gonna be a solid NFL player, period! I wouldent be surprised to se him end up being a border line pro bowl player at some point in his career, hes that good...

thegreatone
04-17-2011, 07:58 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Austin Pettis vs Hawaii and Utah</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unf3x5rtAJA) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">I screwed up converting the first quarter of the Hawaii game and messed up the quality. Sorry usually my vids look better then this</div> Why in the World austin pettis is talked about as like a 4th-6th rd propsect, is beyond me.. Another case of silly 40times and stuff like that, hurting what is a great football players, stock.. Pettis is gonna be a solid NFL player, period! I wouldent be surprised to se him end up being a border line pro bowl player at some point in his career, hes that good...
if he goes 4-6 he is gonna be a major steal for whoever nabs him. go get him spags :P

Redeyejedi
04-17-2011, 08:03 AM
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Austin Pettis vs Hawaii and Utah</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unf3x5rtAJA) </DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title></DIV>
<DIV class=vm-video-title>I screwed up converting the first quarter of the Hawaii game and messed up the quality. Sorry usually my vids look better then this</DIV> Why in the World austin pettis is talked about as like a 4th-6th rd propsect, is beyond me.. Another case of silly 40times and stuff like that, hurting what is a great football players, stock.. Pettis is gonna be a solid NFL player, period! I wouldent be surprised to se him end up being a border line pro bowl player at some point in his career, hes that good...
Yeah I dont think he is a sleeper but his round projection is making him one so I put his Vid here

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 08:18 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Austin Pettis vs Hawaii and Utah</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unf3x5rtAJA) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">I screwed up converting the first quarter of the Hawaii game and messed up the quality. Sorry usually my vids look better then this</div> Why in the World austin pettis is talked about as like a 4th-6th rd propsect, is beyond me.. Another case of silly 40times and stuff like that, hurting what is a great football players, stock.. Pettis is gonna be a solid NFL player, period! I wouldent be surprised to se him end up being a border line pro bowl player at some point in his career, hes that good...
if he goes 4-6 he is gonna be a major steal for whoever nabs him. go get him spags :P
He should be up there in the RD 2 status, and i would not even think SURPRISE one little bit, if he went in that area, as some NFL team, has gotta be smarter then, to think hes a 4th rd type WR...I'd take pettis over Torrey Smith, if u asked me to pick, right now, and over his teammate Titus Young as well... The only Wr's i see as definetly better, are Julio and AJ, and maybe Leonard Hankerson.... If Edmund Gates goes before Austin Pettis, it'll be a crime...

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 09:05 AM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....

Redeyejedi
04-17-2011, 10:42 AM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
</P>


Yeah theres still almost 2 more weeks U will put up another one. I like the late roundCenters in this draft . . If the Giants wait I think they can get afuture starter late . RB has good value later as well. The Giants should be able to grab a 3rd down back later as well.</P>

thegreatone
04-17-2011, 10:58 AM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 01:41 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Ya, i put a couple guys down, that i had as sleepers before they flew up draft boards.. This happened to me last yr with Vlad Ducasse , and i got robbed outta one of my sleepers...lol So, i kept Colin and a couple others on there, regardless of the fact they moved up some rounds over the past month or 2, there still Sleepers as far as not being the top of the crop, just not 4th-7th rd guys.. I did try to only do that a few times, with the guys like i said, that i all ready called SLEEPERS well before they flew up draft boards...

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 01:51 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 01:59 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
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Yeah theres still almost 2 more weeks U will put up another one. I like the late roundCenters in this draft . . If the Giants wait I think they can get afuture starter late . RB has good value later as well. The Giants should be able to grab a 3rd down back later as well.</p> Ya, i like the Late Rd C's as well.. I didn't even put guys like Zane Taylor on there, whos another later rd C/G that could help someone.. It almost makes u wonder if its worth taking one early this yr, as theres so many players that have good solid ability at the C positon that will be around in RD 7...
Theres a Ton of T/G prospects or G/C prospects this yr, versatile o-lineman, which i'm sure that makes Coughlin and Reese extremely happy.. U know how they like there lineman to be able to play multiple positons, and jeez, starting at Mike POuncey and Stef Wisnewski, and D.love, and J.Carpenter, and Orlando Franklin, and i could litteraly name another 20guys, so many versatile olineman this yr...

thegreatone
04-17-2011, 04:35 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
well those are guys i really like regardless of where they are drafted but yes i try and spot the hidden gems. very late round to udfa. to each his own

thegreatone
04-17-2011, 04:46 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...

i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 08:24 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...

i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?

nycsportzfan
04-17-2011, 08:29 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...
well those are guys i really like regardless of where they are drafted but yes i try and spot the hidden gems. very late round to udfa. to each his own
Ya, i just like to find sleepers, mixed throughout the 4-7 range, and a few guys who i think are sleepers, that get picked alittle higher then where people think now, as well.. I'm doing a Mock Draft on "draft debacled" right now, and let me tell u, its incredibly hard to get all these guys where u think they belong... I'm midway through the 4th rightnow, and just had Kendall Hunter go to the 9ers, let alone, bilal powell... I mean, its hard because theres so many teams that need certain players, and not RB"s, so if u gotta guy whos 8th on the RB list, theres a good chance, hes not going till rd 5... I just like to find guys throughout the draft, that are gonnna make a impact,in my opinon, as long as there not guranteed top 2round guys, all though, i made a exception for Colin, because hes so raw, and was my SLEEPER way before he went up to 2nd rd status

baywest
04-18-2011, 12:40 AM
Ok you know your stuff, I have most of the same players as sleepers

thegreatone
04-18-2011, 08:49 AM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...

i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.

nycsportzfan
04-18-2011, 12:00 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...

i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..

Redeyejedi
04-18-2011, 12:13 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...

i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..
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thegreatone
04-18-2011, 12:59 PM
My final Sleeper list(top 5per positon just offensive). Top sleeper is 1st in each category, outside of that, no paticular order...

QB
Colin Kapernick nevada- i raved about him well before his stock shot up, and he stays on my sleeper list because of that....

Pat Devlin Delaware
Nathan Enderle Idaho
Greg Mcelroy Bama
TJ Yates u.n.c- i really like him as a late rd qb

Hon mention- Scott Tolzien Wisconsin
WR
Greg Salas Hawaii
austin pettis boise st- my top sleeper, liken him to be this yrs, Mike Williams
Armon Binns cincy- another wr i really like, and he was a stud in the big east. Late rd steal
dane sazenbacher ohio st
jeff maehl oregon- really like him, and the heady player, will make it, if given a legit shot...hes probably not Austin Collie, but i could definetly see Blair White in em...

Hon mention- denarius moore tennesee

TE
Lee Smith Marshall- blocking TE, with pretty solid hands, could find a niche on a team like the giants
virgil green nevada- this guy can catch the football.. Raw, but the upside is there...
cameron graham l'ville- didn't shine in combine, but trust me, this guys offense could find him a late rd pick, or UDF, that gets a chance at some point, and he makes good on it.
julius thomas port st.- raw talent is there, could become steal, with seasoning and coaching..
jordan cameron u.s.c- the majority of my TE sleepers are Raw upside guys, because its such a weak class, and its no diffrent here with jordan cameron...

Hon Mention- Shuyler Oordt no.iowa

RB
Bilal Powell l'ville- one of my fave sleepers for months, i really like this guy...
Dion Lewis Pittsburgh
Brandon Saine Oh St- watch out for this guy, hes got the size, speed, and hands to really help..
jaquizz rodgers org st.- power, from the little man, and can get to the edge, plus catch pass's.
derek locke kentucky

Hon Mention- evan royster penn st- productive, inside the tackle runner, who blocks well, and can help outta the backfield, with any luck, is one of those guys who could be a betterpro...

OT
Derek Newton Ark St- another one of my sleepers for months, alot of raw upside here....
Derek Hall Stanford
Darius Morris temple
joseph barksdale l.s.u- a monster sized man, who as early as last yr, was talked about as 1st rder
Kyle Hix texas- just as a late RD RT, but if thats the case, has enough going to warren intrest

Hon Mention- Lee Ziemba Auburn

G
Demarcus Love Ark- not huge sleeper, but i think hes gonna be a solid, outside first 3rd player
Steve Shilling Michigan
Julian Vandervelde Iowa
Justin Boren Ohio st.
Zach Hurd UCONN

Hon Mention-Rey Dominguez Ark

C
Brandon Fusco Slippery Rock- i like this kid, alot.. Can move, and has versatility....
alex linenkohl org st.
ryan batholmew syracuse
tim barnes mizzo
kevin kowalski toledo

Hon Mention- Colin Baxter- if he could of stayed healthy, he'd possibly be a much higher talked about center..

What write ups i did put in the offensive sleepers are very small, and i didnt get to in depth, because i talked about most these guys all ready, and the page is all ready long enough, and i'm just not in the mood...
I'll do my Defensive 5per positon sleepers tommorow.....
damn i left a lot of guys of i like some of these guys i just dont see as sleepers like colin. unless your trying to pull an alualu like i did last season lol. He wont make it outta round 2 and could possibly see a team trading up to late 1 for him. at least thats how much I like him.

barnes didnt lift at the combine that i saw and cant find his pro day workout stats but i like him as a late rounder. Like hix but 24 reps at the bine is concerning, i like my linemen strong like bull :)! If he did better at pro day ill list him but cant find info. like fusco and forgot will rackley i think

didnt put pettis cause i just think he is too good to go 4-6th like you said he is projected. If he does go after 3rd he will be another mike w.

i figured powell would be rated higher than he is so i left him off. Agree though if he goes around where he is rated, big time sleeper. I think lewis and rodgers are rated to high be considered sleepers, just outside of top 10 at their position but i like both.

love all your te's but most are rated top 10 in their position. i kinda try to stay away from the top 10 players per position depending on how many are listed (like C, not many of em). even though some, if not most, will be taken 3rd round or lower i just think they ar too good to be listed as sleepers. LOVE virgil and julious.
Also, as far as the TE's, none of em are gonna be going untill the 4th-7th rd, outside of Virigl Green and maybe Jordan Cameron, but thre still 2 very raw TE's, that are sleepers at there positon, because everything of theres, is based off "upside"...
As for Kyle Hix, i could care less what he benched one day at the combine.. I dont crusify guys because of a event or 2 at the combine... I liked how he played , and if anything, he could've moved up and been outta sleeper status, if he did to well at the combine.. I just like Hix as more of a Depth, late RD RT prospect, that can fill in, in a pinch, type player....

Powell and Lewis are certainly sleepers.. Are sleepers are around the 4th-7th rd, and u can mix and match, u don't have to have the bottom of the barrell type guys, where u have to find 5guys u like at each positon from the 6th rd on, thats kinda silly.. Again, Bilal was a sleeper of mine, well before his stock started to soar, just like his teammate Johnny Patrick was, all though, ill leave Johnny off my Sleeper list, because hes so well rounded and isn't as raw, as say Colin Kapernick... I dissagree on what u call a sleeper, but its all good...

i dont crucify my olineman either i just prefer ones that do better at the bench showing strength and endurance.
So, u don't like John Moffitt, who displayed strength his entire career, because he didn't do well on the bench?
no i love moffit but he is rated to high to be a sleeper under what i constitute as a sleeper. would i prefer a stronger olineman with similar skill sets? of course who wouldnt.
so, u gotta kill the bench press, to be strong, is what your saying? Thats how u determine if a player is strong or not? U do realize, that a players arm length, plays a big part in the bench press, and also, it dosen't give any indication at all, of there Core strength, nor does it give u any indication of if u can even use that strength, when your on the move and have to use your whole body, instead of just laying there, lifting weights... Its not that important, thats for sure. If u like a player before one set of the bench press, u probably should like em, after it..
. I never said if a player doesnt do well on the bench then i automatically dont like them i said I PREFER PLAYER THAT DEMONSTRATES GOOD STRENGTH ON THE BENCH. yes a bench is an indicator of that and yes arm length does play a role as do many other factors. You dont have to kill the bench press to be strong (although it helps) but you have to kill it to have good endurance and that's mainly what i look for. when a defenseive player slams into an olineman the olineman has to push him off which sounds a lot like what? thaaats riiight a bench press if an olineman get tired oafter 20 reps on a bench then how long before he is not effectively keeping players at bay in a game? if you think the bench isnt important, good dont pay attention to it, i do think its important. Did moffit fall a little in my eyes after puttin up 23 reps and running a 5.5 at the bine? yes,

thegreatone
04-18-2011, 01:12 PM
moffit's scouting report negatives


Negatives: Not very fast, lacks real quickness... Doesn't always
breakdown well in space... Doesn't always do an especially good job
keeping his feet underneath him... More of a get in the way type than
actual contact maker in space... On the ground a little too much...
Struggles to maintain good hand placement, hands get too wide and
high... Allows defenders inside his pads and will occasionally lose
battle for leverage... Can be walked back into pocket... Not very
explosive, doesn't really fire out of his stance... Can be beat by
quicker defenders... Can be a little slow resetting.



all indicators of subpar strength. Still doesnt mean i dont like him because strength can still be gained in the weight room.

Neverend
04-21-2011, 03:06 AM
here are my sleepers reading scouting reports and watching highlights:</P>


- Willie Smith: Been very interested in him for a while now. My favorite late round prospect in the draft.Immense upside and potential</P>


- Alex Green: Was a sleeper, dont think so anymore</P>


- Daniel Hardy: Not sure if anyone's mentioned him here yet. Caught my eye in the all-star game.Is a decent option in 6-7th roudn range</P>


- Lawrence Guy: Nobody likes to talk about him. he shows some flashes of being as good as drake nevis/nick fairley pass-rushing wise. Love him in the 4/5th round</P>


- Curtis Marsh: Immense upside, doubt hes a sleeper anymore</P>


- Jail Brown: Underrated playing across from jimmy smith. eh, maybe not so much a sleeper lol</P>


- Mark LeGree - Never watched him play but he ran 4.4 at the combine (which is excellent for a safety) and has tremendous stats over his career. might be worth a shot</P>

nycsportzfan
04-21-2011, 07:48 AM
moffit's scouting report negatives


Negatives: Not very fast, lacks real quickness... Doesn't always
breakdown well in space... Doesn't always do an especially good job
keeping his feet underneath him... More of a get in the way type than
actual contact maker in space... On the ground a little too much...
Struggles to maintain good hand placement, hands get too wide and
high... Allows defenders inside his pads and will occasionally lose
battle for leverage... Can be walked back into pocket... Not very
explosive, doesn't really fire out of his stance... Can be beat by
quicker defenders... Can be a little slow resetting.



all indicators of subpar strength. Still doesnt mean i dont like him because strength can still be gained in the weight room.
no it dosen't...lol Not that it matters, all u have to do is watch this kid play, and u know hes powerful, but heres his positvies, from i think the same site u got his negatives from.. Reasonably good strength at POA, Good run blocker, with Solid Stength, Solid Drive Blocker, Can control and steer defender once locked on, forceful punch...etc How u can throw those negatives up, and say something about his strength, when u litteraly got words like Strength, power, and drive blocker, forceful punch, on his positives, is kinda strange... Hes a strong kid, and if thats how hes gonna make his money, by being a strong, mauling G/C....

Positives: Versatile, will get a lot of looks at Center as
well... Good size and reasonably good strength at POA... Good run
blocker, with very solid power... Stays low and generally plays with
good leverage... Very solid drive blocker... Can get movement and open
holes in the running game... Tough, mauler, plays with a mean streak...
Can control and steer defender once he locks on... Pulls reasonably
well, can get to the second level... Carries his pads well... Adequate
flexibility and body control... Attacks his assignments on the move,
will throw his body around... Very solid pass blocker... Sets up
reasonably quick... Patient, can sit back in his stance and absorb
contact, good anchor... Does a nice job extending his arms and working
his hands... Good forceful punch... Very solid bender... Good short area
slide... Can generally get in the way and establish position.

nycsportzfan
04-21-2011, 07:55 AM
here are my sleepers reading scouting reports and watching highlights:</p>


- Willie Smith: Been very interested in him for a while now. My favorite late round prospect in the draft.Immense upside and potential</p>


- Alex Green: Was a sleeper, dont think so anymore</p>


- Daniel Hardy: Not sure if anyone's mentioned him here yet. Caught my eye in the all-star game.Is a decent option in 6-7th roudn range</p>


- Lawrence Guy: Nobody likes to talk about him. he shows some flashes of being as good as drake nevis/nick fairley pass-rushing wise. Love him in the 4/5th round</p>


- Curtis Marsh: Immense upside, doubt hes a sleeper anymore</p>


- Jail Brown: Underrated playing across from jimmy smith. eh, maybe not so much a sleeper lol</p>


- Mark LeGree - Never watched him play but he ran 4.4 at the combine (which is excellent for a safety) and has tremendous stats over his career. might be worth a shot</p> Ya, I got Mark Legree on this thread, myself, as a sleeper i like... A ballhawk, with solid size, and speed, is definetly intriguing....

I think your guys are still sleepers, not like anyones gonna be expecting the world of Alex Green and Curtis Marsh.. There sleepers, to do good in the NFL... Guys that have showed enough to warrent a reasonable Draft Round of like 4th or so, but not guys who are sure things(as much as u can be as a draftee)

logan9839
04-21-2011, 08:59 AM
I admit I am a fan, but have been very impressed with FSU's OL, I think the best is Hudson.

thegreatone
04-21-2011, 09:25 AM
moffit's scouting report negatives


Negatives: Not very fast, lacks real quickness... Doesn't always
breakdown well in space... Doesn't always do an especially good job
keeping his feet underneath him... More of a get in the way type than
actual contact maker in space... On the ground a little too much...
Struggles to maintain good hand placement, hands get too wide and
high... Allows defenders inside his pads and will occasionally lose
battle for leverage... Can be walked back into pocket... Not very
explosive, doesn't really fire out of his stance... Can be beat by
quicker defenders... Can be a little slow resetting.



all indicators of subpar strength. Still doesnt mean i dont like him because strength can still be gained in the weight room.
no it dosen't...lol Not that it matters, all u have to do is watch this kid play, and u know hes powerful, but heres his positvies, from i think the same site u got his negatives from.. Reasonably good strength at POA, Good run blocker, with Solid Stength, Solid Drive Blocker, Can control and steer defender once locked on, forceful punch...etc How u can throw those negatives up, and say something about his strength, when u litteraly got words like Strength, power, and drive blocker, forceful punch, on his positives, is kinda strange... Hes a strong kid, and if thats how hes gonna make his money, by being a strong, mauling G/C....

Positives: Versatile, will get a lot of looks at Center as
well... Good size and reasonably good strength at POA... Good run
blocker, with very solid power... Stays low and generally plays with
good leverage... Very solid drive blocker... Can get movement and open
holes in the running game... Tough, mauler, plays with a mean streak...
Can control and steer defender once he locks on... Pulls reasonably
well, can get to the second level... Carries his pads well... Adequate
flexibility and body control... Attacks his assignments on the move,
will throw his body around... Very solid pass blocker... Sets up
reasonably quick... Patient, can sit back in his stance and absorb
contact, good anchor... Does a nice job extending his arms and working
his hands... Good forceful punch... Very solid bender... Good short area
slide... Can generally get in the way and establish position.



okay

nycsportzfan
04-23-2011, 10:27 AM
My FINAL DEFENSIVE SLEEPER list(Top 5per positon) my FAVE is ranked 1st, after that, no paticular order, and no write ups, as i'm to tired this morning for that..lol I have spoken about just about every one of these guys at some point, anyways...


CB
1. Anthony Gaitor CB Fla Int.- I freaking really like this kid
2. Chris Rucker CB Michigan St- Some think he may have added versatility as a S in the NFL..
3. Darrin Walls CB Notre Dame
4. Cortez Allen CB Citadel
5. Justin Rogers CB Richmond

Hon Mention- Korey Lindsey So.Illinois
Safetys

1. Mark Legree Appalachin St.- this kid can make plays...
2. Chris Culliver S.Carolina
3. Davonte Shannon Buffalo- been on this kid for yrs now
4. Shiloh Keo Idaho- i know hes not a sleeper, per say, but still think hes gonna be a good one, and hes not going till the earliest, RD 4, so close enough..lol
5. Mana Silva Hawaii

Hon Mention- Dom Decicco pitt- just has that "it" factor, and could be ST ace...

LB(middle and Outside)

1. Jonas Mouton Michigan- Hes gonna make a roster, and be solid depth, guranteed....
2. Brian Rolle Ohio St
3. Jabara Williams Stephen F Austin- Some real potential here...
4. Scott Lutrus UCONN- blue collar kid, could be a solid reserve for someone..
5. Akeem Dent Ga

Hon Mention- Thomas Keiser Stanford- more of a 3/4 rush lb, but theres some potential as a SUB here....

DT

1. Martin Parker DT Richmond- this kid would fit our team perfectly, and i love em!
2. Cedric Thornton DT So Arkansas
3. Ian Williams DT N.Dame- not really a sleeper, but a nice looking 4th rd type DT, i think will be a good Run Stuffing DT/NT in the pro's..
4. Colby Whitlock DT Tex Tech- cold be solid rotational DT, that uses his motor to make plays from time to time...
5. Ollie Ogbu DT Penn St-

Hon Mention- Sealver Sillga DT Utah- should of stayed in school, but certainly has some upside, and could become a solid run stuffing DT, with occasional pressence in the backfield

DE

1.Ugo Chinasa DE Okla St- my num DE sleeper, chinasa could be a very good player, if he just brings it on every play.. If u can get em in the right round, he offers some real upside..
2.Ryan Winterswyk DE Boise St.
3. Ricky Elmore DE Zona- Watched him often, and always came away impressed, spoke about him more then a few times this yr...
4.Clay Nurse DE Illinois
5. Brandon Bair DE Ga

Hom Men Eddie Jones DE Texas- maybe as a UDF type.. Was a huge recruit coming out of high school, kinda not huge production, but maybe you get lucky, and as a UDF, why not?

thegreatone
04-27-2011, 06:48 PM
where is the list of players that the giants brought in for private workouts?

juice33s
04-29-2011, 11:22 PM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
</p>


Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that</p>
Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.

Good call juice, Wow you're a ****ing genius!

slipknottin
04-30-2011, 12:17 AM
if you want to be technical, Irving was the 3rd ILB drafted.

juice33s
04-30-2011, 12:26 AM
if you want to be technical, Irving was the 3rd ILB drafted.
He was the first 4/3 MLB taken...ahead of your boy toy Martez Wilson who at one point you swore the Giants would take at number 19....oh yeah ur other boy toy sturduvant is still on the board too

Oh yeah and Wiesnieski who you swore would go 5th-7th just went in the 2nd.....Just admit it Slip, you suck at evaluating players

Neverend
04-30-2011, 03:23 AM
Nate Irving MLB NC state is going to be an impact player. Living in the Carolinas and had seen him play. Yes, a Ray Lewis type, little slow to be Patrick Willis type. Would make a good later round pick, especially if Bulluck is around to mentor him.
</P>


Good later round pick is right. IMO the guy is a tremendous leader and motivator but he doesn't have a lot of potential other than that</P>



Not alot of potential? The guy had 20.5 tackles for loss and 7 sacks last season from the MLB position and he's probably going to be the first MLB selected in the draft this year over guys like greg jones and quan sturdivant.

Good call juice, Wow you're a ****ing genius!
</P>


Haha, damn you</P>

slipknottin
04-30-2011, 07:40 AM
if you want to be technical, Irving was the 3rd ILB drafted.
He was the first 4/3 MLB taken...ahead of your boy toy Martez Wilson who at one point you swore the Giants would take at number 19....oh yeah ur other boy toy sturduvant is still on the board too

Oh yeah and Wiesnieski who you swore would go 5th-7th just went in the 2nd.....Just admit it Slip, you suck at evaluating players


Martez had a neck injury that I said could cause him to drop drastically. Sturdivant has off the field issues. If you pay attention you would notice I said both of this pre draft.

And that Wisnewski was drafted in the second by the raiders doesn't mean a lot of teams didnt think he was more of a late round pick, and that wasn't my evaluation anyway, that's what some scouts were saying.


And if we are going to argue semantics about Irving, he wasn't even drafted to play MLB, he was drafted to play outside. The broncos have DJ Williams in the middle.

nycsportzfan
04-30-2011, 07:54 AM
if you want to be technical, Irving was the 3rd ILB drafted.
He was the first 4/3 MLB taken...ahead of your boy toy Martez Wilson who at one point you swore the Giants would take at number 19....oh yeah ur other boy toy sturduvant is still on the board too

Oh yeah and Wiesnieski who you swore would go 5th-7th just went in the 2nd.....Just admit it Slip, you suck at evaluating players


Martez had a neck injury that I said could cause him to drop drastically. Sturdivant has off the field issues. If you pay attention you would notice I said both of this pre draft.

And that Wisnewski was drafted in the second by the raiders doesn't mean a lot of teams didnt think he was more of a late round pick, and that wasn't my evaluation anyway, that's what some scouts were saying.


And if we are going to argue semantics about Irving, he wasn't even drafted to play MLB, he was drafted to play outside. The broncos have DJ Williams in the middle.haha, i knew u were gonna re-cant your Wisnewski banter, i knew it!!lol Bottom line, he went in the 2nd round, exactly where i thought he was going, and guranteed in that same thread.. Its all good, though, just teasing you, but u seriously can't use his Uncle being a coach with OAK, as a way out of that one, u should of said that, in the thread...

slipknottin
04-30-2011, 08:04 AM
I'm not recanting it, a lot of teams could have had him as a 2nd round pick, doesn't mean some teams/scouts didn't think he was worth a high pick.

nycsportzfan
04-30-2011, 08:12 AM
I'm not recanting it, a lot of teams could have had him as a 2nd round pick, doesn't mean some teams/scouts didn't think he was worth a high pick. It was ridiculous to think it possible for him to fall outta round 2, let alone, go to Round 5, is the bottom line..

baadfish
04-30-2011, 08:23 AM
I'm not recanting it, a lot of teams could have had him as a 2nd round pick, doesn't mean some teams/scouts didn't think he was worth a high pick. It was ridiculous to think it possible for him to fall outta round 2, let alone,* go to Round 5, is the bottom line..


Well the raiders took him in the second, so history would tell us that fact cuts against it being a good or rationale pick in the 2nd. :P

nycsportzfan
04-30-2011, 08:33 AM
I'm not recanting it, a lot of teams could have had him as a 2nd round pick, doesn't mean some teams/scouts didn't think he was worth a high pick. It was ridiculous to think it possible for him to fall outta round 2, let alone, go to Round 5, is the bottom line..


Well the raiders took him in the second, so history would tell us that fact cuts against it being a good or rationale pick in the 2nd. :P not really, they just took Lamarr Houston last yr, in ROUND2 , and he was a very good pick... They have had a few bad drafts, dosen't mean they are gonna be that way forever, or never make a good pick...

nycsportzfan
04-30-2011, 08:35 AM
My FINAL DEFENSIVE SLEEPER list(Top 5per positon) my FAVE is ranked 1st, after that, no paticular order, and no write ups, as i'm to tired this morning for that..lol I have spoken about just about every one of these guys at some point, anyways...


CB
1. Anthony Gaitor CB Fla Int.- I freaking really like this kid
2. Chris Rucker CB Michigan St- Some think he may have added versatility as a S in the NFL..
3. Darrin Walls CB Notre Dame
4. Cortez Allen CB Citadel
5. Justin Rogers CB Richmond

Hon Mention- Korey Lindsey So.Illinois
Safetys

1. Mark Legree Appalachin St.- this kid can make plays...
2. Chris Culliver S.Carolina
3. Davonte Shannon Buffalo- been on this kid for yrs now
4. Shiloh Keo Idaho- i know hes not a sleeper, per say, but still think hes gonna be a good one, and hes not going till the earliest, RD 4, so close enough..lol
5. Mana Silva Hawaii

Hon Mention- Dom Decicco pitt- just has that "it" factor, and could be ST ace...

LB(middle and Outside)

1. Jonas Mouton Michigan- Hes gonna make a roster, and be solid depth, guranteed....
2. Brian Rolle Ohio St
3. Jabara Williams Stephen F Austin- Some real potential here...
4. Scott Lutrus UCONN- blue collar kid, could be a solid reserve for someone..
5. Akeem Dent Ga

Hon Mention- Thomas Keiser Stanford- more of a 3/4 rush lb, but theres some potential as a SUB here....

DT

1. Martin Parker DT Richmond- this kid would fit our team perfectly, and i love em!
2. Cedric Thornton DT So Arkansas
3. Ian Williams DT N.Dame- not really a sleeper, but a nice looking 4th rd type DT, i think will be a good Run Stuffing DT/NT in the pro's..
4. Colby Whitlock DT Tex Tech- cold be solid rotational DT, that uses his motor to make plays from time to time...
5. Ollie Ogbu DT Penn St-

Hon Mention- Sealver Sillga DT Utah- should of stayed in school, but certainly has some upside, and could become a solid run stuffing DT, with occasional pressence in the backfield

DE

1.Ugo Chinasa DE Okla St- my num DE sleeper, chinasa could be a very good player, if he just brings it on every play.. If u can get em in the right round, he offers some real upside..
2.Ryan Winterswyk DE Boise St.
3. Ricky Elmore DE Zona- Watched him often, and always came away impressed, spoke about him more then a few times this yr...
4.Clay Nurse DE Illinois
5. Brandon Bair DE Ga

Hom Men Eddie Jones DE Texas- maybe as a UDF type.. Was a huge recruit coming out of high school, kinda not huge production, but maybe you get lucky, and as a UDF, why not?
Culliver, Dent, and mouton all ready gone with the wind..

baadfish
04-30-2011, 08:48 AM
I'm not recanting it, a lot of teams could have had him as a 2nd round pick, doesn't mean some teams/scouts didn't think he was worth a high pick. It was ridiculous to think it possible for him to fall outta round 2, let alone,* go to Round 5, is the bottom line..


Well the raiders took him in the second, so history would tell us that fact cuts against it being a good or rationale pick in the 2nd. :P not really, they just took Lamarr Houston last yr, in ROUND2 , and he was a very good pick... They have had a few bad drafts, dosen't mean they are gonna be that way forever, or never make a good pick...


Yea it wasn't a serious suggestion.

thegreatone
06-02-2011, 03:04 PM
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nevada11
06-03-2011, 02:12 PM
if you want to be technical, Irving was the 3rd ILB drafted.
He was the first 4/3 MLB taken...ahead of your boy toy Martez Wilson who at one point you swore the Giants would take at number 19....oh yeah ur other boy toy sturduvant is still on the board too

Oh yeah and Wiesnieski who you swore would go 5th-7th just went in the 2nd.....Just admit it Slip, you suck at evaluating players


Martez had a neck injury that I said could cause him to drop drastically. Sturdivant has off the field issues. If you pay attention you would notice I said both of this pre draft.

And that Wisnewski was drafted in the second by the raiders doesn't mean a lot of teams didnt think he was more of a late round pick, and that wasn't my evaluation anyway, that's what some scouts were saying.

you are gonna say martez wilson "dropped" because of his neck injury? ROFLCOPTER... he didnt "drop" he went in the round just where i thought he would and most likely every other nfl team. his injury was about wearing a brace for precuation... i doubt that one precaution was going to make your boy martez wilson who you even said could go to us at 19 after the combine (great call genius!) "drop" to the third round. he never "dropped" because that is what his value was all this time just like nfl draft comittee told him and i was telling you in the past.

just admit slipknottin... your mind tells you one thing where your eyes tell you another. you see what you want to see. martez wilson is overrated by you and that 4.4 speed your were excited about after the combine doesnt mean anything on the field because he can not flip his hips and change directions at a fast speed. i kept trying to tell you this but you were so against ayers who is very fluid in his hips. you way way overrated him.

and you keep going to your twitter sources. you have to stop doing that... seriously. saying drake nevis and wis are late round picks because one freaking tweet? give me a break...

Redeyejedi
07-13-2011, 08:07 AM
This needed a bump but What do u guys think of Audie Cole of NC State. He hasnt gotten much pub but he will be taking over at MLB for Nate Davis at NC state. I was looking around to see what other draft sites are ranking him and there is a huge gap. Some sites have him listed as a 3-4 OLB which I could see.. He is listed at 6-5 239 but he moves well in space for someone that height.</P>


He is the 25th ranked 3-4 Rush LB on Walter Football</P>


Liber Life "Never seen the Site Before"- Has him as the 9th ranked MLB</P>


Scout- Rates him highlyHas him as the 3rd rated MLB </P>


Most publications dont even have him listed. It could be just a slow time a year though</P>


</P>


<FONT color=#0033cc>Audie Cole vs UCF</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLA2FTaW3xs)</P>

Redeyejedi
08-08-2011, 07:50 AM
Man this hasnt been bumped in awhile. We r going to lose the thread if we dont bump this</P>


Damarias Johnson from Tulsa could turn into the Jerrel Jernigan of the 2012 draft. The All time leading All purpose yard leader in CFB.</P>
<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Damaris Johnson vs Hawaii</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sI4mLBSqzA) </DIV>

nycsportzfan
08-23-2011, 04:04 PM
What do U think of Da' rel Scott of Maryland as a late round back? He was awesome in the Military Bowl. He was a split time back with former Giants player son Davin Meggetudfa maybe. all i like is his speed. poor vision, rarely makes guys miss, and isnt very impressive after first contact. idt he'll be more than a camp body.
his speed is what intruiges me.i really hope the giants draft another back in this draftyes he is very fast. most of the games i saw he had HUGE lanes. id like to see more what he does when there isnt anything there (like our oline provides a lot of times).
well, we got one example of what Scott would do if he dosen't get great blocking and there isn't anything there...lol He showed great balance and ability to re-adjust and find the hole after almost falling and getting back to top speed very quickly.. Very impressive 97yrd td run, displays, balance, strength, and burst...

nycsportzfan
08-23-2011, 04:12 PM
What do U think of Da' rel Scott of Maryland as a late round back? He was awesome in the Military Bowl. He was a split time back with former Giants player son Davin Megget Nice post Redeye, nice indeed!

Raptor22
08-23-2011, 07:33 PM
What do U think of Da' rel Scott of Maryland as a late round back? He was awesome in the Military Bowl. He was a split time back with former Giants player son Davin Megget Nice post Redeye, nice indeed!


Very

We've gotta keep these threads going.

thegreatone
08-23-2011, 09:13 PM
What do U think of Da' rel Scott of Maryland as a late round back? He was awesome in the Military Bowl. He was a* split time back with former Giants player son Davin Meggetudfa maybe. all i like is his speed. poor vision, rarely makes guys miss, and isnt very impressive after first contact. idt he'll be more than a camp body.
his speed is what intruiges me.i really hope the giants draft another back in this draftyes he is very fast. most of the games i saw* he had HUGE lanes. id like to see more what he does when there isnt anything there (like our oline provides a lot of times).
well, we got one example of what Scott would do if he dosen't get great blocking and there isn't anything there...lol He showed great balance and ability to re-adjust and find the hole after almost falling and getting back to top speed very quickly.. Very impressive 97yrd td run, displays, balance, strength, and burst...
yeah was an amazing run. Was wondering why we hadn't seen him and then that happened. Very impressive good call red

thegreatone
08-23-2011, 09:16 PM
On a side note, did you guys see the move tyrod put on Justin Houston? Really like that kid. Also kaepernick hasn't looked very good so far. Still pullin for him though

Redeyejedi
08-24-2011, 10:48 AM
Sportzfan change the name of this thread to 2012.</P>


Alright ive been looking at Tight Ends because the Giants will certainly be upgrading the postion in 2012 . I think it will be the draft because for what the Giants use there TE they will be able to find a starter fairly easy. As I and Sportzfan has mentioned George Bryan appears to be the best prospect where value meets scheme and need "Although this point maybe be moot if there is a new coaching staff". Another guy Ive looked at is Brian Linthicum of Michigan State. He was lost in the shuffle some behind Charle Gnatt. He was involved in an offseason altercation where he punched a guy in Aspen but has not been suspended for any games.He was placed on the bottom of the depth chart but we shall see what happens when the season starts because he is clearly talented. Either way MSU is a school to watch for tight ends. They are loaded at the position and there numbers could fall because of it. Garret Celek the brother of Eagles Brent Celek would penciled in as a starter after Linthicums arrest and the return of Dion Sims could effect snaps as well. Sims is 6-5 270 pounds and runs a mid 4.5 he is the most physically talented of them all "Not draft eligible".Either way keep an eye on this program if U want to see talented Tight ends,</P>


Anyway Linthicum TE that isnt an elite athletic receiver but fundamentally strong. Runs good routes,fantastic adjusting to the ball in traffic ,not afraid to go over the middle,good handsandwhile not incredibly fast he canrun down the seam andwill demandsafety help.He is a work in progress as a blocker but has a good enough frame to put on bulk 6'5" 245. Just another guy to watch this year</P>

Raptor22
08-24-2011, 03:11 PM
Thanks for the heads up Jedi.

I did like that video of Efirt you posted up too... He looked like a Giants TE (actually, he looked like an upgraded Boss), and I like the idea of a football player who's name is "Effort"

thegreatone
08-24-2011, 05:13 PM
Sportzfan change the name of this thread to 2012.</P>


Alright ive been looking at Tight Ends because the Giants will certainly be upgrading the postion in* 2012 .* I think it will be the draft because for what the Giants use there TE they will be able to find a starter fairly easy. As I and Sportzfan has mentioned George Bryan appears to be the best prospect where *value meets scheme and need "Although this point maybe be moot if there is a new coaching staff". Another guy Ive *looked at is Brian Linthicum of Michigan State. He was lost in the shuffle some behind Charle Gnatt.* He was involved in an offseason altercation where he punched a guy in Aspen but has not been suspended for any games.He was placed on the bottom of the depth chart but we shall see what happens when the season starts because he is clearly talented. Either way MSU is a school to watch for tight ends. They are loaded at the position and there numbers could fall because of it. Garret Celek the brother of Eagles Brent Celek would penciled in as a starter after Linthicums arrest and the return of Dion Sims could effect snaps as well. Sims is 6-5 270 pounds and runs a mid 4.5 he is the most physically talented of them all "Not draft eligible".Either way keep an eye on this program if U want to see talented Tight ends,</P>


Anyway Linthicum TE that isnt an elite athletic receiver but fundamentally strong. Runs good routes,fantastic adjusting to the ball in traffic ,*not afraid to go over the middle,good hands*and*while not incredibly fast he can*run down the seam and*will demand*safety help.*He is a work in progress as a blocker but has a good enough frame to put on bulk 6'5" 245. Just another guy to watch this year</P>id rather trade for one of ne's te's they got to know they wont be able to afford both in a season or 2.

thegreatone
08-24-2011, 05:20 PM
personally i really like dwayne allen and egnew if we go te early

nycsportzfan
08-24-2011, 08:32 PM
Sportzfan change the name of this thread to 2012.</p>


Alright ive been looking at Tight Ends because the Giants will certainly be upgrading the postion in 2012 . I think it will be the draft because for what the Giants use there TE they will be able to find a starter fairly easy. As I and Sportzfan has mentioned George Bryan appears to be the best prospect where value meets scheme and need "Although this point maybe be moot if there is a new coaching staff". Another guy Ive looked at is Brian Linthicum of Michigan State. He was lost in the shuffle some behind Charle Gnatt. He was involved in an offseason altercation where he punched a guy in Aspen but has not been suspended for any games.He was placed on the bottom of the depth chart but we shall see what happens when the season starts because he is clearly talented. Either way MSU is a school to watch for tight ends. They are loaded at the position and there numbers could fall because of it. Garret Celek the brother of Eagles Brent Celek would penciled in as a starter after Linthicums arrest and the return of Dion Sims could effect snaps as well. Sims is 6-5 270 pounds and runs a mid 4.5 he is the most physically talented of them all "Not draft eligible".Either way keep an eye on this program if U want to see talented Tight ends,</p>


Anyway Linthicum TE that isnt an elite athletic receiver but fundamentally strong. Runs good routes,fantastic adjusting to the ball in traffic ,not afraid to go over the middle,good handsandwhile not incredibly fast he canrun down the seam andwill demandsafety help.He is a work in progress as a blocker but has a good enough frame to put on bulk 6'5" 245. Just another guy to watch this year</p> I don't know how to change the title to this thread? I still don't know how to do half the stuff u can on here..

BlueSanta
08-27-2011, 12:03 PM
Sportzfan change the name of this thread to 2012.</p>


Alright ive been looking at Tight Ends because the Giants will certainly be upgrading the postion in 2012 . I think it will be the draft because for what the Giants use there TE they will be able to find a starter fairly easy. As I and Sportzfan has mentioned George Bryan appears to be the best prospect where value meets scheme and need "Although this point maybe be moot if there is a new coaching staff". Another guy Ive looked at is Brian Linthicum of Michigan State. He was lost in the shuffle some behind Charle Gnatt. He was involved in an offseason altercation where he punched a guy in Aspen but has not been suspended for any games.He was placed on the bottom of the depth chart but we shall see what happens when the season starts because he is clearly talented. Either way MSU is a school to watch for tight ends. They are loaded at the position and there numbers could fall because of it. Garret Celek the brother of Eagles Brent Celek would penciled in as a starter after Linthicums arrest and the return of Dion Sims could effect snaps as well. Sims is 6-5 270 pounds and runs a mid 4.5 he is the most physically talented of them all "Not draft eligible".Either way keep an eye on this program if U want to see talented Tight ends,</p>


Anyway Linthicum TE that isnt an elite athletic receiver but fundamentally strong. Runs good routes,fantastic adjusting to the ball in traffic ,not afraid to go over the middle,good handsandwhile not incredibly fast he canrun down the seam andwill demandsafety help.He is a work in progress as a blocker but has a good enough frame to put on bulk 6'5" 245. Just another guy to watch this year</p> I don't know how to change the title to this thread? I still don't know how to do half the stuff u can on here..


I actually think its best to just make a new 1. New year, new thread

nycsportzfan
08-27-2011, 04:38 PM
Sportzfan change the name of this thread to 2012.</p>


Alright ive been looking at Tight Ends because the Giants will certainly be upgrading the postion in 2012 . I think it will be the draft because for what the Giants use there TE they will be able to find a starter fairly easy. As I and Sportzfan has mentioned George Bryan appears to be the best prospect where value meets scheme and need "Although this point maybe be moot if there is a new coaching staff". Another guy Ive looked at is Brian Linthicum of Michigan State. He was lost in the shuffle some behind Charle Gnatt. He was involved in an offseason altercation where he punched a guy in Aspen but has not been suspended for any games.He was placed on the bottom of the depth chart but we shall see what happens when the season starts because he is clearly talented. Either way MSU is a school to watch for tight ends. They are loaded at the position and there numbers could fall because of it. Garret Celek the brother of Eagles Brent Celek would penciled in as a starter after Linthicums arrest and the return of Dion Sims could effect snaps as well. Sims is 6-5 270 pounds and runs a mid 4.5 he is the most physically talented of them all "Not draft eligible".Either way keep an eye on this program if U want to see talented Tight ends,</p>


Anyway Linthicum TE that isnt an elite athletic receiver but fundamentally strong. Runs good routes,fantastic adjusting to the ball in traffic ,not afraid to go over the middle,good handsandwhile not incredibly fast he canrun down the seam andwill demandsafety help.He is a work in progress as a blocker but has a good enough frame to put on bulk 6'5" 245. Just another guy to watch this year</p> I don't know how to change the title to this thread? I still don't know how to do half the stuff u can on here..


I actually think its best to just make a new 1. New year, new thread
we usually like to check out stuff that we said from the yr prior and see how it panned out.. The problem is though, i don't know how to change the title, so i'm sure we'll just start another one down the line..

Redeyejedi
08-27-2011, 04:47 PM
Sportzfan change the name of this thread to 2012.</P>


Alright ive been looking at Tight Ends because the Giants will certainly be upgrading the postion in 2012 . I think it will be the draft because for what the Giants use there TE they will be able to find a starter fairly easy. As I and Sportzfan has mentioned George Bryan appears to be the best prospect where value meets scheme and need "Although this point maybe be moot if there is a new coaching staff". Another guy Ive looked at is Brian Linthicum of Michigan State. He was lost in the shuffle some behind Charle Gnatt. He was involved in an offseason altercation where he punched a guy in Aspen but has not been suspended for any games.He was placed on the bottom of the depth chart but we shall see what happens when the season starts because he is clearly talented. Either way MSU is a school to watch for tight ends. They are loaded at the position and there numbers could fall because of it. Garret Celek the brother of Eagles Brent Celek would penciled in as a starter after Linthicums arrest and the return of Dion Sims could effect snaps as well. Sims is 6-5 270 pounds and runs a mid 4.5 he is the most physically talented of them all "Not draft eligible".Either way keep an eye on this program if U want to see talented Tight ends,</P>


Anyway Linthicum TE that isnt an elite athletic receiver but fundamentally strong. Runs good routes,fantastic adjusting to the ball in traffic ,not afraid to go over the middle,good handsandwhile not incredibly fast he canrun down the seam andwill demandsafety help.He is a work in progress as a blocker but has a good enough frame to put on bulk 6'5" 245. Just another guy to watch this year</P> I don't know how to change the title to this thread? I still don't know how to do half the stuff u can on here..


I actually think its best to just make a new 1. New year, new thread
we usually like to check out stuff that we said from the yr prior and see how it panned out.. The problem is though, i don't know how to change the title, so i'm sure we'll just start another one down the line..
Just go to the first post u made and hit the edit button. Go up to the title and change 2011 to 2012

thegreatone
09-06-2011, 05:30 PM
final sleepers

QB)Ryan Colburn Frsno ST (<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Sacramento Mountain Lions,UFL)</span>
T.J. Yates UNC (Texans)
Tyrod Taylor VT (Ravens)

RB) Baron Batch TT (steelers {out for season torn ACL})
Derrick Locke Kentucky (NA/ released by eagles)
Brandon Saine OSU (Packer PS squad)
Allen Bradford USC (TB Bucs)
Da'Rel Scott Maryland (YOU KNOW!)
Graig Cooper U (Released by Eagles)
Roy Helu JR Neb(Skins)

WR) Matt Szzurc (Being dumb playing baseball)
Joe Morgan Walsh (Saints)
Ricardo Lockette Fort Valley State (Released by Seahawks)
Jeff Maehl Oregon (Texans PS Squad)
Dane Sanzenbacher OSU (Bears)
Vincent Brown SDST (Chargers)

TE) Schuylar Oordt N.Iowa (Released by Rams)
Stephen Skelton Fordham (released by Cards)

OT) Joseph Barksdale LSU (Raiders)
Marcus Gilbert Florida (Steelers)
Christian Hairston Clem (Bills)
William Rackley Lehigh (?? says drafted bycowboys but dont see him on roster but also dont see him in any transaction reports so no idea)

OG) Steve Schilling Mich ( cut by chargers)
Justin Boren OSU ( Ravens PS squad)

C) Zane Taylor Utah (41 reps at pro day, giddy-up)
ryan bartholomew Syr
Tim Barnes Mizzo
Stefen wisneiwski PSU (only reason why im putting him is cause i heard he has been falling)


DE) Sam Acho Texas
Pernell Mcphee Miss St. (if he goes 3-4 and adds weight i think he ideal there)
Ricky Elmore Ari.
Mario Addison Troy

DT) Chris Neild WVU
Ollie Ogbu PSU

OLB) Eric Gordon Mich ST
Jerimiah Hunter Iowa
Kenny Rowe Ore.
D.J. Smith Appalachian ST
Brian Rolle OSU

ILB) Alex Wujciak Maryland

CB) Demarcus Van *** U
Byron Maxwell Clem
Ryan Jones NW Missouri ST
Buster Skrine
Kendric Burney UNC

S) Dom Diccico Pitt
Brian Lainhardt Kent
Andrew Rich BYU
Tejay Johnson TCU
Mark Legree Ap ST


That this years crop just updating what happened to my sleepers and where they are

thegreatone
09-09-2011, 08:40 AM
I know i mentioned this guy alot on other threads and in mock drafts, but i believe alot in his talent, and that Davonte Shannon SS BUFFALO.... One of the last from the Turner Gill Era... This guys a beast, and i gurantee he gets drafted, and i believe will follow in the Mike Newton and James Starks and Jamey Richard and drew willys mold of buff players in the NFL.... Shannon is a absoulute Top hitter who can jar the ball loose, and has solid ball skills and anticipates very well, hes one of the Top players overall in the MAC, and i think will make a club and make a impact in time, one of my favorite sleepers of this draft season... A double digit tackle machine....

Heres some secondary Sleepers, and i'll do some other positons later on...


Safety's...

Davonte Shannon SS Buffalo- been talking about him for ever now, described above...

Mark Legree S Appalachian St- Ballhawk, is the word to describe Legree, could follow recent app st nfl draftee's all the way to the NFL...

Joe Lefeged SS Rutgers- Hard hitting, snot bubble rocking safety, who will help on special teams and posibly blocking kicks, and has solid ball skills, and could return kicks possibly.. Not a real sleeper, but somewhat, as i see him as a 4th-5th rd guy and Special team Ace, maybe in the Tyree and Kasim Osgood mold of ST ace...

<font size="5">Chris Culliver S/CB S.Carolina- injury plaqued, but a sloid prospect, that if healthy , couldve been in the 3rd rd range, but may fall to the sleeper rds, and has good size, and versatility, can play Safety and CB, and has solid speed and seems like a Perry Fewell type versaile defensive player..

</font>CORNER BACKS

Darrin Walls CB N.Dame- all ready talked about him on Opening Post of this thread, great looking late rd CB. Good in Run recogniton, solid speed and good size, leadership qualities...

anthony gaitor cb fla int- Ballhawking CB from small school... Not super fast or big, but gets it done, and isn't afraid of sticking his nose in on run tackling.... physical player...

marcus gilchrist cb clemson- a solid sized, solid speed corner... made move from safety to corner, and did fairly well, has some promise...
This is an intriguing player I believe as well. He is a good Kick returner to which is a plus. Ive been watching alot of him the last few days and believe he can play CB in the NFL. He has the speed and athleticism to mirror receivers in man coverage.He is also very solid in zone.He isnt the most physical run defender as a safety but for a corner he would be above average. He has pretty solid ball skills as well. I could see him as a later round option for the Giants for sure. I think im going to put together a video for him.</p>


I look at the returning SC players and they have a hell of a team. Outside of Alabama they have probably the most returning talent in the SEC. I mean they have a great RB in Marcus Lattimore. Maybe the best receiver in CFB in Alshon Jeffery at least Top 3 with Floyd and Blackmon. They have a Hybrid DE/LB pass pusher in Devin Taylor , A top corner prospect in Stephen Gilmore.An NFL SS prospect in Devonte Holloman, NFL DT in Travian Robertson and a very experienced Senior QB in Stephen Garcia.This is a Pre season Top 10 maybe top 5 team in my opinion. Id only put them behind a few teams for sure Oregon,Alabama,Oklahoma,Stanford after that I mean its wide open</p>yeah dont forget clowney committed to them as well. they also have a guy from my hometown corey robinson. a 6-6 317 lb FRESHMAN OT who i will be keeping a close eye on for several reasons. i swear i dont know what they are putting in the water in my hometown but we are starting to crank out some talent.

anyways if you get the video put together make sure to let me know id like to see more of him as well
dude from my hometown in SC is now listed at 6-8 350 lbs! moved him to DT but isnt a starter yet , still frshman in eligibility cause he was redshirted last year. kid is ginormous!

thegreatone
09-09-2011, 08:48 AM
<div class="vm-video-title"><font color="#0033cc">Austin Pettis vs Hawaii and Utah</font> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unf3x5rtAJA) </div>
<div class="vm-video-title"></div>
<div class="vm-video-title">I screwed up converting the first quarter of the Hawaii game and messed up the quality. Sorry usually my vids look better then this</div> Why in the World austin pettis is talked about as like a 4th-6th rd propsect, is beyond me.. Another case of silly 40times and stuff like that, hurting what is a great football players, stock.. Pettis is gonna be a solid NFL player, period! I wouldent be surprised to se him end up being a border line pro bowl player at some point in his career, hes that good...
if he goes 4-6 he is gonna be a major steal for whoever nabs him. <font size="4">go get him spags</font> :P
guess i called that one ;)