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TuckYou
01-16-2012, 09:10 PM
<FONT color=#364c88>Dallas Cowboys</FONT> (http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/profile?team=DAL) wide receiver <FONT color=#364c88>Dez Bryant</FONT> (http://www.nfl.com/players/dezbryant/profile?id=BRY336027) was involved in an incident Sunday night at a Miami nightclub, but no arrest was made and no charges were filed, according to sources close to the player.</P>
<P id=yui_3_4_1_1_1326762651484_2069>The incident is the latest in the series of off-the-field controversies for the second-year pro. In December, he was <FONT color=#364c88>sued by a New York-based finance company</FONT> (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d82582835) for allegedly failing to repay the entirety of a $100,000 loan. Earlier this year, Bryant settled two lawsuits in which he was accused of not paying for jewelry he had ordered.</P>


Cowboys executive vice president/COO Stephen Jones <FONT color=#364c88>said after the former incident</FONT> (http://www.nfl.com/goto?id=09000d5d82584c85) that Bryant must learn "to get his hands around what he's doing off the field."</P>


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OUR 88 is better then your 88</P>

I Bleed Blue 56
01-16-2012, 09:12 PM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

NYfanatic
01-16-2012, 09:13 PM
Cowboys will not win a lot till they improve the culture of their clubhouse.

Voldamort
01-16-2012, 09:18 PM
wtf

gmen0820
01-16-2012, 09:19 PM
This kid can be so good, I hope this ruins his career.

titwio
01-16-2012, 09:35 PM
I've been a huge Dez Bryant fan since Ok.St. and think he could be one of the best WR's in the game but....right now...I can easily say Hakeem Nicks is the best 88 in the game.

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 01:47 AM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

Couldn't be more wrong.

Terrell Owens is a cancer in the locker room and an all time great when it comes to WR.
Dez Bryant is a good teammate whose issues start and end when there's no football to be played.


Terrell Owens was a manipulator who could poison and infect a locker room enough to split it down the middle.
Dez Bryant sticks up for teammates and gives a 100%. Not really smart enough to be a T.O., but don't get me wrong, not calling the kid dumb.

Terrell Owens was a me player
Dez Bryant is a team player

Terrell Owens had a lot of drops
Bryant led the league in the least amount of drops

Owens was a hard worker
Bryant is a natural talent

I could go on and on, but I can just some this up by saying Bryant is closer to Irvin if we're comparing to former Cowboys players.


That said. This guy needs a baby-sitter.

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 01:49 AM
I've been a huge Dez Bryant fan since Ok.St. and think he could be one of the best WR's in the game but....right now...I can easily say Hakeem Nicks is the best 88 in the game.

I don't disagree. Right now at least. Nicks has surpassed expectations, Dez has fallen short.

I think Bryant's lack of production has been due to three major things.

1.) Slow learner
2.) Lazy for the first half of his career when it came to game preparation
3.) Romo's line rarely gives him enough time to get a pass off

None of which spell good things for the Cowboys. But I think Bryant is nowhere close to his full potential because of reasons 1, 2, and to a lesser extent, 3.

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 01:56 AM
Cowboys will not win a lot till they improve the culture of their clubhouse.


Which is??

I agree if this was still 2008 it would make sense. But which players are 'trouble makers' in the Cowboys locker room?

The Cowboys will not win until the fix some gaping holes that have exist for the last few years-- has nothing to do with the culture or character of the team.

1.) No one to help Ware get pressure
2.) Offensive line
3.) Safeties
4.) A cornerback that can cover outside of Mike Jenkins

Obviously, getting rid of Jerry would be the ideal thing.

CGYgiant
01-17-2012, 01:58 AM
I've been a huge Dez Bryant fan since Ok.St. and think he could be one of the best WR's in the game but....right now...I can easily say Hakeem Nicks is the best 88 in the game.

I don't disagree. Right now at least. Nicks has surpassed expectations, Dez has fallen short.

I think Bryant's lack of production has been due to three major things.

1.) Slow learner
2.) Lazy for the first half of his career when it came to game preparation
3.) Romo's line rarely gives him enough time to get a pass off

None of which spell good things for the Cowboys. But I think Bryant is nowhere close to his full potential because of reasons 1, 2, and to a lesser extent, 3.


Potential is all Bryant has at the moment. His production has been mediocre at best. The Giants have a terrible pass protecting offensive line as well, yet Eli still finds ways to get the ball's to his WRs and so does Romo for the most part.

To be honest, Laurent Robinson looked smarter, and much more dangerous in your offence then Bryant did. I just think Bryant will continue to be lazy and though the kid has awesome physical abilities he will never put in the time and effort to maximize his abilities it seems like.

jhamburg
01-17-2012, 02:29 AM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

Couldn't be more wrong.

Terrell Owens is a cancer in the locker room and an all time great when it comes to WR.
Dez Bryant is a good teammate whose issues start and end when there's no football to be played.


Terrell Owens was a manipulator who could poison and infect a locker room enough to split it down the middle.
Dez Bryant sticks up for teammates and gives a 100%. Not really smart enough to be a T.O., but don't get me wrong, not calling the kid dumb.

Terrell Owens was a me player
Dez Bryant is a team player

Terrell Owens had a lot of drops
Bryant led the league in the least amount of drops

Owens was a hard worker
Bryant is a natural talent

I could go on and on, but I can just some this up by saying Bryant is closer to Irvin if we're comparing to former Cowboys players.


That said. This guy needs a baby-sitter.


Yeah as usual I have to agree with you here, I remember last season in the game where we injured Romo, we were killing you guys and the whole team just looked deflated by what was happening. Then Bryant comes out of nowhere like a man possessed and almost wins the game single handedly.

I remember being jealous at the time, I mean who wouldn't want a guy like that on your team? But then stuff like this happens and yea, no thanks we're good.

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 02:53 AM
I've been a huge Dez Bryant fan since Ok.St. and think he could be one of the best WR's in the game but....right now...I can easily say Hakeem Nicks is the best 88 in the game.

I don't disagree. Right now at least. Nicks has surpassed expectations, Dez has fallen short.

I think Bryant's lack of production has been due to three major things.

1.) Slow learner
2.) Lazy for the first half of his career when it came to game preparation
3.) Romo's line rarely gives him enough time to get a pass off

None of which spell good things for the Cowboys. But I think Bryant is nowhere close to his full potential because of reasons 1, 2, and to a lesser extent, 3.


Potential is all Bryant has at the moment. His production has been mediocre at best. The Giants have a terrible pass protecting offensive line as well, yet Eli still finds ways to get the ball's to his WRs and so does Romo for the most part.

To be honest, Laurent Robinson looked smarter, and much more dangerous in your offence then Bryant did. I just think Bryant will continue to be lazy and though the kid has awesome physical abilities he will never put in the time and effort to maximize his abilities it seems like.

He's turned into more of a redzone threat than anything, and I think 'mediocre' would aptly describe that. I could make excuses for him, but I'm not going to. He's been good, but not near elite.

Laurent Robinson is the kind of player that Romo has typically had success finding-- a street baller when things break down, and a speedster that causes separation (if you ask me we're building the WR corps incorrectly around him).

I don't see Bryant continuing to be lazy. The second half of the season, he showed his work ethic off the field.

And don't even go there. Eli has terrible pass protection? Maybe against stronger pass rushes like Washington and Philadelphia (who Romo also struggled against) but for the most part Eli was under less pressure during the regular season, and has been in virtually none in the playoffs. The Giants were the ranked higher than all of the predominantly passing teams in protection except for the Saints. Despite having more attempts and not having a solid run game to lean on (meaning his o'line was under more duress) the Giants o'line ranked far better than the Cowboys pass protection.

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 02:54 AM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

Couldn't be more wrong.

Terrell Owens is a cancer in the locker room and an all time great when it comes to WR.
Dez Bryant is a good teammate whose issues start and end when there's no football to be played.


Terrell Owens was a manipulator who could poison and infect a locker room enough to split it down the middle.
Dez Bryant sticks up for teammates and gives a 100%. Not really smart enough to be a T.O., but don't get me wrong, not calling the kid dumb.

Terrell Owens was a me player
Dez Bryant is a team player

Terrell Owens had a lot of drops
Bryant led the league in the least amount of drops

Owens was a hard worker
Bryant is a natural talent

I could go on and on, but I can just some this up by saying Bryant is closer to Irvin if we're comparing to former Cowboys players.


That said. This guy needs a baby-sitter.


Yeah as usual I have to agree with you here, I remember last season in the game where we injured Romo, we were killing you guys and the whole team just looked deflated by what was happening. Then Bryant comes out of nowhere like a man possessed and almost wins the game single handedly.

I remember being jealous at the time, I mean who wouldn't want a guy like that on your team? But then stuff like this happens and yea, no thanks we're good.

Don't blame you. Nicks has far out performed Bryant thus far and Cruz is a play maker. Manningham isn't that great, but who needs to be with those two guys in front of you.

CGYgiant
01-17-2012, 03:45 AM
I've been a huge Dez Bryant fan since Ok.St. and think he could be one of the best WR's in the game but....right now...I can easily say Hakeem Nicks is the best 88 in the game.

I don't disagree. Right now at least. Nicks has surpassed expectations, Dez has fallen short.

I think Bryant's lack of production has been due to three major things.

1.) Slow learner
2.) Lazy for the first half of his career when it came to game preparation
3.) Romo's line rarely gives him enough time to get a pass off

None of which spell good things for the Cowboys. But I think Bryant is nowhere close to his full potential because of reasons 1, 2, and to a lesser extent, 3.


Potential is all Bryant has at the moment. His production has been mediocre at best. The Giants have a terrible pass protecting offensive line as well, yet Eli still finds ways to get the ball's to his WRs and so does Romo for the most part.

To be honest, Laurent Robinson looked smarter, and much more dangerous in your offence then Bryant did. I just think Bryant will continue to be lazy and though the kid has awesome physical abilities he will never put in the time and effort to maximize his abilities it seems like.

He's turned into more of a redzone threat than anything, and I think 'mediocre' would aptly describe that. I could make excuses for him, but I'm not going to. He's been good, but not near elite.

Laurent Robinson is the kind of player that Romo has typically had success finding-- a street baller when things break down, and a speedster that causes separation (if you ask me we're building the WR corps incorrectly around him).

I don't see Bryant continuing to be lazy. The second half of the season, he showed his work ethic off the field.

And don't even go there. Eli has terrible pass protection? Maybe against stronger pass rushes like Washington and Philadelphia (who Romo also struggled against) but for the most part Eli was under less pressure during the regular season, and has been in virtually none in the playoffs. The Giants were the ranked higher than all of the predominantly passing teams in protection* except for the Saints. Despite having more attempts and not having a solid run game to lean on (meaning his o'line was under more duress) the Giants o'line ranked far better than the Cowboys pass protection.


According to pro football focus the Giants have the worse pass protecting tackles in the league. Dhiel and Mckenzie have been terrible all year. Our guards haven't been much better. Eli is just smart in the pocket and gets the ball out quick.

On the other hand, also according to pro football focus, Tyron Smith is the best rookie tackle since Jake Long and only struggled in one game (against philly) the whole year. Doug Free has been decent but with a "prow bowl snub" in Smith I would say Romo got a lot better protection then did Mr Manning.

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 04:12 AM
I've been a huge Dez Bryant fan since Ok.St. and think he could be one of the best WR's in the game but....right now...I can easily say Hakeem Nicks is the best 88 in the game.

I don't disagree. Right now at least. Nicks has surpassed expectations, Dez has fallen short.

I think Bryant's lack of production has been due to three major things.

1.) Slow learner
2.) Lazy for the first half of his career when it came to game preparation
3.) Romo's line rarely gives him enough time to get a pass off

None of which spell good things for the Cowboys. But I think Bryant is nowhere close to his full potential because of reasons 1, 2, and to a lesser extent, 3.


Potential is all Bryant has at the moment. His production has been mediocre at best. The Giants have a terrible pass protecting offensive line as well, yet Eli still finds ways to get the ball's to his WRs and so does Romo for the most part.

To be honest, Laurent Robinson looked smarter, and much more dangerous in your offence then Bryant did. I just think Bryant will continue to be lazy and though the kid has awesome physical abilities he will never put in the time and effort to maximize his abilities it seems like.

He's turned into more of a redzone threat than anything, and I think 'mediocre' would aptly describe that. I could make excuses for him, but I'm not going to. He's been good, but not near elite.

Laurent Robinson is the kind of player that Romo has typically had success finding-- a street baller when things break down, and a speedster that causes separation (if you ask me we're building the WR corps incorrectly around him).

I don't see Bryant continuing to be lazy. The second half of the season, he showed his work ethic off the field.

And don't even go there. Eli has terrible pass protection? Maybe against stronger pass rushes like Washington and Philadelphia (who Romo also struggled against) but for the most part Eli was under less pressure during the regular season, and has been in virtually none in the playoffs. The Giants were the ranked higher than all of the predominantly passing teams in protection except for the Saints. Despite having more attempts and not having a solid run game to lean on (meaning his o'line was under more duress) the Giants o'line ranked far better than the Cowboys pass protection.


According to pro football focus the Giants have the worse pass protecting tackles in the league. Dhiel and Mckenzie have been terrible all year. Our guards haven't been much better. Eli is just smart in the pocket and gets the ball out quick.

On the other hand, also according to pro football focus, Tyron Smith is the best rookie tackle since Jake Long and only struggled in one game (against philly) the whole year. Doug Free has been decent but with a "prow bowl snub" in Smith I would say Romo got a lot better protection then did Mr Manning.

Guess it depends on where you go for your stats.

Tyron Smith is the youngest player in the NFL if I'm not mistaken, but he played damn well. That said, Doug Free was a huge disappointment this year, and the interior lineman were average to below average. They graded out on football outsiders (which doesn't take hurries into consideration, just sacks and intentional groundings it seems), at number 13. The Giants ranked 6.

But throwing my stats out the window (because I'm not too certain how reliable they are) over the last four weeks, I've seen the protection Eli's had. Not saying he's had that kind of protection all year, but many times he has all day to throw the ball. Can't say I've seen the same for our passing attack.

SweetZombieJesus
01-17-2012, 09:45 AM
Cowboys will not win a lot till they improve the culture of their front office.


Which is??

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 10:35 AM
Cowboys will not win a lot till they improve the culture of their front office.


Which is??


ha yeah, don't even get me started on Jerry.

JPP
01-17-2012, 01:36 PM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

Couldn't be more wrong.

Terrell Owens is a cancer in the locker room and an all time great when it comes to WR.
Dez Bryant is a good teammate whose issues start and end when there's no football to be played.


Terrell Owens was a manipulator who could poison and infect a locker room enough to split it down the middle.
Dez Bryant sticks up for teammates and gives a 100%. Not really smart enough to be a T.O., but don't get me wrong, not calling the kid dumb.

Terrell Owens was a me player
Dez Bryant is a team player

Terrell Owens had a lot of drops
Bryant led the league in the least amount of drops

Owens was a hard worker
Bryant is a natural talent

I could go on and on, but I can just some this up by saying Bryant is closer to Irvin if we're comparing to former Cowboys players.


That said. This guy needs a baby-sitter.


Obviously your right those comparisons show different but basically it comes down to this we hear more about him off the football field then on it and that isn't good and it makes it seem like he is more concerned about his jewelry then making an impact on the field. Now we don't know him or know what his personality is like on the field and no one but his team mates does but you can see where people get the idea he is slowly turning into a cancer with all of his off the field distractions. I wish the guy the best of luck though in getting all of these distractions cleared up.

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 05:14 PM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

Couldn't be more wrong.

Terrell Owens is a cancer in the locker room and an all time great when it comes to WR.
Dez Bryant is a good teammate whose issues start and end when there's no football to be played.


Terrell Owens was a manipulator who could poison and infect a locker room enough to split it down the middle.
Dez Bryant sticks up for teammates and gives a 100%. Not really smart enough to be a T.O., but don't get me wrong, not calling the kid dumb.

Terrell Owens was a me player
Dez Bryant is a team player

Terrell Owens had a lot of drops
Bryant led the league in the least amount of drops

Owens was a hard worker
Bryant is a natural talent

I could go on and on, but I can just some this up by saying Bryant is closer to Irvin if we're comparing to former Cowboys players.


That said. This guy needs a baby-sitter.


Obviously your right those comparisons show different but basically it comes down to this we hear more about him off the football field then on it and that isn't good and it makes it seem like he is more concerned about his jewelry then making an impact on the field. Now we don't know him or know what his personality is like on the field and no one but his team mates does but you can see where people get the idea he is slowly turning into a cancer with all of his off the field distractions. I wish the guy the best of luck though in getting all of these distractions cleared up.

True but there is a difference between troubled players and players that cause problems within the team.

Not saying one is better than the other. But clearly Bryant isn't disrupting the team like Owens did-- just himself and his possible future. More so like Irvin before he cleaned up his act (a bit at least) rather than Owens.

Owens didn't have off the field issues, just locker room drama that absolutely ruined team chemistry in Valley Ranch.

That's all I'm getting at.

sharick88
01-17-2012, 05:27 PM
Dez needs to realize what he is and get rid of the dead weight (his homies). He is not a locker room cancer and all reports say that he is a great teammate. The stuff he is involved with is actually really nothing major. He is a potential star for the most dramatic team in the NFL. ANYTHING he does is going to get blown up and he needs to realize that before he is banished to the Oakland Raiders

sg92
01-17-2012, 06:27 PM
True but there is a difference between troubled players and players that cause problems within the team.

Not saying one is better than the other. But clearly Bryant isn't disrupting the team like Owens did-- just himself and his possible future. More so like Irvin before he cleaned up his act (a bit at least) rather than Owens.

Owens didn't have off the field issues, just locker room drama that absolutely ruined team chemistry in Valley Ranch.

That's all I'm getting at.


Didn't Dez create a controversy within the team when he refused to carry pads for other guys like all the other rookies were doing? Maybe he's not a cancer on the level of TO, but let's not confuse that with being a good team guy. He's a punk.

Ntegrase96
01-17-2012, 07:44 PM
True but there is a difference between troubled players and players that cause problems within the team.

Not saying one is better than the other. But clearly Bryant isn't disrupting the team like Owens did-- just himself and his possible future. More so like Irvin before he cleaned up his act (a bit at least) rather than Owens.

Owens didn't have off the field issues, just locker room drama that absolutely ruined team chemistry in Valley Ranch.

That's all I'm getting at.


Didn't ESPN create a controversy within the team when he refused to carry pads for other guys like all the other rookies were doing? Maybe he's not a cancer on the level of TO, but let's not confuse that with being a good team guy. He's a punk.

It was more like that. It was Roy Williams singling out Dez. Roy got him back later by making him pay for an entire team dinner I think. I, along with many other Cowboys fans, didn't mind Dez not carrying the pads. Roy Williams was being a **** because he was afraid Dez was going to take his job (he did) and didn't have veteran type clout anyways.

dave56dj
01-17-2012, 08:01 PM
Nt I think your grabbing at straws a bit cause you so want this dynamic talent to be what you think he is and could be.

Jeremy Shockey refused to sing at a lunch his rookie year and fought Brandon Short for it - We all thought that meant he was fiery and overlooked it.

He made terrible off the field decisions - partying hard and saying silly things - but came to play on Sundays so we overlooked it.

Players said all he wanted to do was win and worked hard - so we overlooked it when he threw coaches under the bus.

Rex Ryan told us Santonio was a good teammate. AP told us Plax was a great teammate.

The truth is these off the field issues hurt the team. Not respecting vets as a rookie hurts the team. Ok so perhaps Williams did single him out - so what he was a rook and they all do it.

Yes he was fired up against the Gmen and at times he looks ready to take on the world - but his game study seems to be off and he is hurting the team with his behavior - To me thats not a good teammate. Just as, while plax came to play - toting a gun to a club killed our year.

Its not just about winning and playing hard its about conducting yourself like a pro - sorry thats not dez, at least not yet.

I recently heard pacman jones was a good teammate and so was DeSean - PLEASE.

jhamburg
01-18-2012, 08:57 AM
True but there is a difference between troubled players and players that cause problems within the team.

Not saying one is better than the other. But clearly Bryant isn't disrupting the team like Owens did-- just himself and his possible future. More so like Irvin before he cleaned up his act (a bit at least) rather than Owens.

Owens didn't have off the field issues, just locker room drama that absolutely ruined team chemistry in Valley Ranch.

That's all I'm getting at.


Didn't ESPN create a controversy within the team when he refused to carry pads for other guys like all the other rookies were doing? Maybe he's not a cancer on the level of TO, but let's not confuse that with being a good team guy. He's a punk.

It was more like that. It was Roy Williams singling out Dez. Roy got him back later by making him pay for an entire team dinner I think. I, along with many other Cowboys fans, didn't mind Dez not carrying the pads. Roy Williams was being a **** because he was afraid Dez was going to take his job (he did) and didn't have veteran type clout anyways.


So, was it or was it not a tradition for rookies to carry pads?

Ntegrase96
01-18-2012, 12:11 PM
True but there is a difference between troubled players and players that cause problems within the team.

Not saying one is better than the other. But clearly Bryant isn't disrupting the team like Owens did-- just himself and his possible future. More so like Irvin before he cleaned up his act (a bit at least) rather than Owens.

Owens didn't have off the field issues, just locker room drama that absolutely ruined team chemistry in Valley Ranch.

That's all I'm getting at.


Didn't ESPN create a controversy within the team when he refused to carry pads for other guys like all the other rookies were doing? Maybe he's not a cancer on the level of TO, but let's not confuse that with being a good team guy. He's a punk.

It was more like that. It was Roy Williams singling out Dez. Roy got him back later by making him pay for an entire team dinner I think. I, along with many other Cowboys fans, didn't mind Dez not carrying the pads. Roy Williams was being a **** because he was afraid Dez was going to take his job (he did) and didn't have veteran type clout anyways.


So, was it or was it not a tradition for rookies to carry pads?

Not to my knowledge, no. At least not a Cowboys tradition.

It's something I've heard players do around the entire league to haze new guys though.

Something Dez could have done for sure, but I remember him saying something along the lines of he wasn't into playing games. He later participated in other rookie hazing as I stated above so maybe later he was humbled a bit-- maybe felt like he wasn't being singled out.

At any rate it was an early 'incident' between he and a member of the team who was on his way out. All reports are that Dez is a pretty solid teammate in the locker room.

Ntegrase96
01-18-2012, 12:20 PM
Nt I think your grabbing at straws a bit cause you so want this dynamic talent to be what you think he is and could be.

Jeremy Shockey refused to sing at a lunch his rookie year and fought Brandon Short for it - We all thought that meant he was fiery and overlooked it.

He made terrible off the field decisions - partying hard and saying silly things - but came to play on Sundays so we overlooked it.

Players said all he wanted to do was win and worked hard - so we overlooked it when he threw coaches under the bus.

Rex Ryan told us Santonio was a good teammate. AP told us Plax was a great teammate.

The truth is these off the field issues hurt the team. Not respecting vets as a rookie hurts the team. Ok so perhaps Williams did single him out - so what he was a rook and they all do it.

Yes he was fired up against the Gmen and at times he looks ready to take on the world - but his game study seems to be off and he is hurting the team with his behavior - To me thats not a good teammate. Just as, while plax came to play - toting a gun to a club killed our year.

Its not just about winning and playing hard its about conducting yourself like a pro - sorry thats not dez, at least not yet.

I recently heard pacman jones was a good teammate and so was DeSean - PLEASE.

Could be. I don't think I'm grasping at straws though. I've seen several players in this organization alone have off the field behavior issues that in the end didn't matter as well. Namely the guy who wore the same number as Bryant during the superbowl years.

Does that mean I'm expecting Bryant to be an all time great like Irvin was for us? Not exactly. And I'm not saying the minor incidents off the field for Bryant can't blossom into bigger problems. All I'm saying is you have to take it for what it is right now.

Like I said though, he needs a baby sitter when there's no football left to be played.

jhamburg
01-18-2012, 12:44 PM
True but there is a difference between troubled players and players that cause problems within the team.

Not saying one is better than the other. But clearly Bryant isn't disrupting the team like Owens did-- just himself and his possible future. More so like Irvin before he cleaned up his act (a bit at least) rather than Owens.

Owens didn't have off the field issues, just locker room drama that absolutely ruined team chemistry in Valley Ranch.

That's all I'm getting at.


Didn't ESPN create a controversy within the team when he refused to carry pads for other guys like all the other rookies were doing? Maybe he's not a cancer on the level of TO, but let's not confuse that with being a good team guy. He's a punk.

It was more like that. It was Roy Williams singling out Dez. Roy got him back later by making him pay for an entire team dinner I think. I, along with many other Cowboys fans, didn't mind Dez not carrying the pads. Roy Williams was being a **** because he was afraid Dez was going to take his job (he did) and didn't have veteran type clout anyways.


So, was it or was it not a tradition for rookies to carry pads?

Not to my knowledge, no. At least not a Cowboys tradition.

It's something I've heard players do around the entire league to haze new guys though.

Something Dez could have done for sure, but I remember him saying something along the lines of he wasn't into playing games. He later participated in other rookie hazing as I stated above so maybe later he was humbled a bit-- maybe felt like he wasn't being singled out.

At any rate it was an early 'incident' between he and a member of the team who was on his way out. All reports are that Dez is a pretty solid teammate in the locker room.


I think he actually said something like "I was drafted to play football not carry pads" which isn't really the kind of attitude you want to see in a rookie. I'll buy that he's a good teammate but I don't think you can just put the whole thing on R. Williams, every team has some type of hazing rituals they go through.

JPP
01-18-2012, 12:57 PM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

Couldn't be more wrong.

Terrell Owens is a cancer in the locker room and an all time great when it comes to WR.
Dez Bryant is a good teammate whose issues start and end when there's no football to be played.


Terrell Owens was a manipulator who could poison and infect a locker room enough to split it down the middle.
Dez Bryant sticks up for teammates and gives a 100%. Not really smart enough to be a T.O., but don't get me wrong, not calling the kid dumb.

Terrell Owens was a me player
Dez Bryant is a team player

Terrell Owens had a lot of drops
Bryant led the league in the least amount of drops

Owens was a hard worker
Bryant is a natural talent

I could go on and on, but I can just some this up by saying Bryant is closer to Irvin if we're comparing to former Cowboys players.


That said. This guy needs a baby-sitter.


Obviously your right those comparisons show different but basically it comes down to this we hear more about him off the football field then on it and that isn't good and it makes it seem like he is more concerned about his jewelry then making an impact on the field. Now we don't know him or know what his personality is like on the field and no one but his team mates does but you can see where people get the idea he is slowly turning into a cancer with all of his off the field distractions. I wish the guy the best of luck though in getting all of these distractions cleared up.

True but there is a difference between troubled players and players that cause problems within the team.

Not saying one is better than the other. But clearly Bryant isn't disrupting the team like Owens did-- just himself and his possible future. More so like Irvin before he cleaned up his act (a bit at least) rather than Owens.

Owens didn't have off the field issues, just locker room drama that absolutely ruined team chemistry in Valley Ranch.

That's all I'm getting at.


They are good points and it would be naive of us to just assume he is another TO just because of a couple off the field issues. I think most of the people in this thread are grasping at straws and hoping more so than thinking that Dez is a cancer. He has all the tools, now you guys just have to hope he wraps it all up nicely and delivers it on game night.

TuckYou
01-19-2012, 10:52 AM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

Couldn't be more wrong.

Terrell Owens is a cancer in the locker room and an all time great when it comes to WR.
<U>Dez Bryant is a good teammate whose issues start and end when there's no football to be played.
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Terrell Owens was a manipulator who could poison and infect a locker room enough to split it down the middle.
Dez Bryant sticks up for teammates and gives a 100%. Not really smart enough to be a T.O., but don't get me wrong, not calling the kid dumb.

Terrell Owens was a me player
Dez Bryant is a team player

Terrell Owens had a lot of drops
Bryant led the league in the least amount of drops

Owens was a hard worker
Bryant is a natural talent

I could go on and on, but I can just some this up by saying Bryant is closer to Irvin if we're comparing to former Cowboys players.


That said. This guy needs a baby-sitter.
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His issues stay off the football field huh? What about when he made a spat and refused to be hazed as a rookie. The vets did not take kind to that attittude and it created a locker room problem from the get go. Dez thought he was better then that and the vets didnt approve. </P>


Add that to all the off the field stuff, and there you go. </P>


Complete headcase. </P>


Justin Blackmon is going to be better then Dez as a football player and as a person. Much better. As will Nicks be.</P>

Ntegrase96
01-19-2012, 02:38 PM
Sounds like another T.O to me the cowboys will never learn Jerry Jones just loves these SEXY picks lmao

Couldn't be more wrong.

Terrell Owens is a cancer in the locker room and an all time great when it comes to WR.
<u>Dez Bryant is a good teammate whose issues start and end when there's no football to be played.
</u>

Terrell Owens was a manipulator who could poison and infect a locker room enough to split it down the middle.
Dez Bryant sticks up for teammates and gives a 100%. Not really smart enough to be a T.O., but don't get me wrong, not calling the kid dumb.

Terrell Owens was a me player
Dez Bryant is a team player

Terrell Owens had a lot of drops
Bryant led the league in the least amount of drops

Owens was a hard worker
Bryant is a natural talent

I could go on and on, but I can just some this up by saying Bryant is closer to Irvin if we're comparing to former Cowboys players.


That said. This guy needs a baby-sitter.
</p>


His issues stay off the football field huh? What about when he made a spat and refused to be hazed as a rookie. The vets did not take kind to that attittude and it created a locker room problem from the get go. Dez thought he was better then that and the vets didnt approve. </p>


Add that to all the off the field stuff, and there you go. </p>


Complete headcase. </p>


Justin Blackmon is going to be better then Dez as a football player and as a person. Much better. As will Nicks be.</p>

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/mobile_multimedia_center.cfm?id=110B673F-DB35-A90F-5FE0E4734196F32D

Bam. The real riffraff behind the pads incident. I already talked about it above.

I don't doubt that Nicks will have the overall better career than Bryant. Justin Blackmon? He's a much more similar WR to Nicks than he is Bryant, so I don't doubt that he could have a better career as well.

Never liked the saying that Dez is a headcase. It just doesn't seem to fit. Immature? Yeah. Headcase? T.O. was a headcase. T.O. suffered from little guy syndrome and had to be fed the ball consistently or he'd throw a tantrum-- and his tantrums tore teams apart.

I'm not overly optimistic that Bryant will reach his full physical potential. But if he does the combination his size, speed, body control, elusiveness, hands, ability to track the ball in the air are second to only Larry Fitzgerald.