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dan1552
01-18-2012, 04:36 AM
Between Finley, Jones, and Nelson , there were alot of dropped balls ,.. Driver had his a better game. The only common denominator is Rodgers.. Im not sure if I call that game rusty ,. I think it was more along the lines of Rodgers being rushed ,agree or disagree?

Gunakor
01-18-2012, 05:10 AM
Rodgers seemed to handle the rush pretty well, at least early on. He got outside the pocket and made plays with his legs when the pocket collapsed on him. I think was the early drops that got to him, just like early drops got to him @ Kansas City. That's Rodgers' achillies heel. It's the quicksand Shane Falco refers to in "The Replacements". He needs to work on shortening his memory during the offseason.

I wouldn't call it rust though. Green Bay took the entire offseason off last year - didn't have one single player organized workout during the NFL lockout. Yet came out to start the season on fire, scoring TD's on each of their first 3 possessions of the season. They weren't rusty after 5 months to start the season, so I can't see a reason why they'd be rusty after 3 weeks to start the postseason.

Not to make excuses, but, being that it was the offensive side of the ball that truly let Green Bay down on Sunday, I have to wonder just how much Michael Philbin's death earlier in the week affected them. Joe Philbin is the offensive coordinator, and it was his group that wasn't focused. The whole group it seemed. So I have to wonder.

SIMMS5611
01-18-2012, 05:18 AM
To ue some corny coachspeak, I don't think the Giants need concern themselves on whether or not Green Bay was rusty, or not. They have no control over how the other team plays, or why they are playing that way. All the Giants can do is to try and play their best, commit less errors, less turnovers, & to take full advantage of whatever opportunities are made available to them by their opponent, which they did. I see zero reason to apologize for the wins the Giants obtained, & earned.

dan1552
01-18-2012, 05:24 AM
To ue some corny coachspeak, I don't think the Giants need concern themselves on whether or not Green Bay was rusty, or not. They have no control over how the other team plays, or why they are playing that way. All the Giants can do is to try and play their best, commit less errors, less turnovers, & to take full advantage of whatever opportunities are made available to them by their opponent, which they did. I see zero reason to apologize for the wins the Giants obtained, & earned.

My intent in posting this was to ask for opinion on what the major reason for the GB collapse was. Was it collectively a Team failure of execution or was it due to Rodgers offense not materializing as he envisioned the plays were supposed to?

Because if not for a couple of questionable calls there would have been alot more splainin for Lucy.

Firenugget
01-18-2012, 05:28 AM
How about they just got their asses beat? I've never heard anyone talk about our drops when we lose. Hey sports media....Rodgers got his *** whooped. Move on.

wrekkincrew
01-18-2012, 06:33 AM
Its the timing of the offense. Typically you draw up plays based how much time it takes for a receiver to enter his break, and try to release the ball at that precise moment. Green Bay in particular runs allot of these type of timing routes. Pressure makes the QB release the ball quicker which disrupts the entire play. Technically they could have still made some of those catches, but to our benefit, they didn't. Good defensive game plan, good execution, a little luck.

brad
01-18-2012, 06:49 AM
The Giants defense had a lot more to do with that than they are given credit for... they had great coverage most of the day, and put enough pressure on Rodgers to make him skittish. Some of those throws should have been caught, but GB came up against a defense that was playing physical football, something they didn't expect and didn't know how to handle. Seemed to me that the whole GB offense was hearing footsteps every time they got near the ball.

CTLadyBlue
01-18-2012, 06:50 AM
Between Finley, Jones, and Nelson , there were alot of dropped balls ,.. Driver had his a better game. The only common denominator is Rodgers.. Im not sure if I call that game rusty ,. I think it was more along the lines of Rodgers being rushed ,agree or disagree?


I think a lot of the mis-throws/dropped passes had EVERYTHING to do with Rodgers being hurried. He released the ball before he wanted too and either under/overthrew someone. He was forced out of his comfort zone and had to scramble just to avoid being sacked. The front four definitely threw off thier offensive rhythm.

tonyt830
01-18-2012, 06:51 AM
Between Finley, Jones, and Nelson , there were alot of dropped balls ,.. Driver had his a better game. The only common denominator is Rodgers.. Im not sure if I call that game rusty ,. I think it was more along the lines of Rodgers being rushed ,agree or disagree?
The pressure seemed to get turned up more in the 2nd half. But the drops were killer for the Packers. I would say a couple of the passes were on Rodgers, but for the most part the receivers should have caught the majority of the passes.


I think the rush and the coverage by the Giants, did not allow Rodgers to get into a rhythm. The Giants did not allow any big plays downfield, which was key as well.


I guess sometimes its better for a team to play wildcard weekend to keep their momentum/rhythm going. But there are times when the bye week helps for teams recovering from injuries.

jomo
01-18-2012, 07:18 AM
The Packers hadn't played for real in two weeks, Rodgers three.</P>


The Giants never let the QB or receivers feel comfortable. Sometimes it was with pressure but other times it was just in giving him looks he was unfamiliar with. Rushing just 4 is a huge deal. You can do alot with 7 guys back in coverage. You could see Rodgers being tentative with the ball back there because we never allowed him to find rhythm. It wasgreat defensive game plan.</P>

GCGiant
01-18-2012, 07:32 AM
The Giants defense had a lot more to do with that than they are given credit for... they had great coverage most of the day, and put enough pressure on Rodgers to make him skittish. Some of those throws should have been caught, but GB came up against a defense that was playing physical football, something they didn't expect and didn't know how to handle. Seemed to me that the whole GB offense was hearing footsteps every time they got near the ball.

My opinion is that you are absolutely correct and said the same thing that I was gonna say so now I don't have to say it...you already did. Good job!

buddy33
01-18-2012, 07:42 AM
How about the Giants just flat out beat them from start to finish?

They keep talking about those drops like they where all TD's. Yeah, one was, but so was the one Ballard dropped. They missed 2 personal foul calls that should have been called in the Giants favor. They made a poor call on the Osi hit. They spotted the ball a yard behind where it should have been on a run by Ware that forced a punt. Of course the fumble that was not did not help the Giants either.

They got beat, in their house, and that is it. The other 3 teams that had a week off won their games. Enough of the excuses.

dan1552
01-18-2012, 08:26 AM
Agreed, good pressure threw Rodgers off ,.Im just curious why the lions had such a horrid game trying to do the same thing.

GO G-MEN

onward and upward

miked1958
01-18-2012, 09:02 AM
Between Finley, Jones, and Nelson , there were alot of dropped balls ,.. Driver had his a better game. The only common denominator is Rodgers.. Im not sure if I call that game rusty ,. I think it was more along the lines of Rodgers being rushed ,agree or disagree?
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Hey doesnt matter. we have had drop issues to this season. Weather they were caused by AR being rushed or the guys dropping them remembering getting POPPED from prior Catches and were hearing footsteps.. Or poss that the Death of the OC son had a reverse effect on them. I know they said the right things that they were going to go out and Play for their Coach but look at the BCS thing with OK ST losing to the unranked team a couple days after 2 of the womans coaches died in that plane crash.</P>


However I will point out that with everything in TACT in the first game we should have won that game fair and square but did not due to some terrible calls. So we just matchup well with this team. period. We beat them. Now lets move on and beat the niners.</P>

galaxy10
01-18-2012, 09:14 AM
I am so sick of the Giants not getting credit when they play well:

Fewell: Good scheme to take away Rodgers side line routes, his favorite. Fewell pressured off the line of Green Bay receivers thereby disrupting the timing.

Pressure up front: Not a lot of sacks, but enough to disrupt Rodgers comfort level

Just basic swarming to the ball all game long, this enables more chance for fumbles, as was seen.

Good tackling unlike what Green Bay did.

I am not going to even talk about the offense, need I say more, football is not rocket science, please explain to me why the Giants routinely do not get the credit they deserve. This game, the G-men just simply outplayed Green Bay. Please stop with the excuses.

CTLadyBlue
01-18-2012, 09:56 AM
, football is not rocket science, please explain to me why the Giants routinely do not get the credit they deserve.*

Because they're not a 'sexy' team like the Pack or Saints or have tongue-bath-worthy QBs like Romo or Vick

THe Giants aren't liked because they're not media worthy. Aside from Plaxico playing OK Corral on his leg several years ago, when have we seen any Giant player smeared all over the Post or Daily News due to off-field antics? Do we hear about how they incessently 'tweet' like T.O.? Are any of them on probation? Any of them test positive for drugs? Any of them deadbeat dads? Any of them in ugly divorces from knocking up a chick half their age? Does their coach shoot his mouth off, make blatant guarantees during training camp or make his bedroom fetishes public fodder?

Answer: No! Translation - the Giants are BORING. They have an ELITE QB who prefers quiet nights at home with his wife and daughter , a coach who tolerates no BS questions from the media or tricked into saying something for sensationalism and the most I've heard about other players is that they show up at the Garden for Knicks games. Don't hear about them out with their posse cruising the clubs

And it's that boring, strictly business, non-eventful demeanor of the Giants that doesn't want to make the media tools talk about them 'too much'. They give just enough credit to acknowledge their wins, but if those wins come against any of the 'sexy' teams, they're not overstated.

Yeah, may sound a bit ridiculous, but that's just how I feel.

blueomaha
01-18-2012, 10:07 AM
GB got punched in the mouth and when they got up they got punched in the mouth again.... overconfidence and arrogance, IMO was GB downfall...ya think??.....

OrangeGiant
01-18-2012, 10:20 AM
Look, did GB play their best game? Probably not. Did Rogers having 3 weeks off cause a little rust? Maybe, he certainly wasn't sharp as he usually is throwing the ball. That's football, one team was more prepared and played a better game than the other. </P>


But, don't underestimate the fact that we had played GBso well a few weeks earlier, and should have won that game. Everyone kept making the point that is was so similar to when we lost to NE 38-35 and came back to beat them in the SB. Well this isn't 2007, and we didn't just win the SB (yet)but the fact that we played a team right to the end that everyone said was close to unbeatable definitely made a difference in this game. </P>


The Giants learned a lot from that game, about GB and about themselves. I think that played a large part in beating them so convincingly the seond time around.</P>

Dirt66
01-18-2012, 10:25 AM
Giants kicked the Packers as#es plain and simple. No excuses or explanations necessesary. The Pats looked fine after the by week, PLUS the refs GAVE GB at least 14 pts from lousy calls. We deserve to be in the NFC Championship period

VelocityVirus
01-18-2012, 10:26 AM
You have to give the Giants some credit of course, but you can't go 3 weeks in the NFL without playing and come back and be as sharp as you were before. That's nearly a month he was off. Just a stupid move imo by his coaches.

Kruunch
01-18-2012, 10:28 AM
Between Finley, Jones, and Nelson , there were alot of dropped balls ,.. Driver had his a better game. The only common denominator is Rodgers.. Im not sure if I call that game rusty ,. I think it was more along the lines of Rodgers being rushed ,agree or disagree?


Bad execution.

I saw maybe 2 throws that could be rust related from Rodgers.

I saw a ton of bad drops (bad execution) that should have nothing to do with rust (especially given how fast they started the season with no off-season).

Our defense turned it up a bit in the 4th and our stripping the ball was great all game long, but the Packers beat themselves more then we beat them.

Even the refs tried to help them out.

burier
01-18-2012, 12:21 PM
as stated by others.

What happened sunday was the better team beat the **** out of the weaker team and walked off witha W.

Also Im so ****ing sick of this **** where when the Giants win there has to be some ****ed up logic to explain it.

Simple. Packers got thier *** whooped

gumby742
01-18-2012, 12:27 PM
Honestly, I don't think we got that much pressure on Rogers. From what I saw, Rogers had a lot of time, but it seemed like he had nowhere to go with the ball. I think the secondary deserves a lot of the credit. We also did a good job at getting our hands up. It seems that that had a bit to do with it also.'

But let's be honest. Those were some really bad drops they had. My friend is a Packer and i told him that the Packers look really off.

Some media articles said we dominated, but i really didn't see it that way.

bflo23
01-18-2012, 12:35 PM
I am sick of hearing about "rust" and how the packers didn't play their game. It discredits the Giants defense and their win. It is very simple. The Giants made plays and the Packers didn't make plays. Even though Packers receivers dropped passes, Rodgers made some terrible passes and some drops were the fault of Rodgers being inaccurate like throwing behind the the receiver. Eli made the better accurate passes and his receivers caught them. Simple as that. "If have, could have, would have, should have".

You either make the big plays or even the simple plays.... or you don't. Giants have!

TroyArcher
01-18-2012, 12:36 PM
Th etime off didn't seem to bother Brady

CTLadyBlue
01-18-2012, 01:35 PM
Th etime off didn't seem to bother Brady

Nor Flacco. Nor Smith.

Rodgers wasn't rusty. He was frustrated because he wasn't able to take his sweet time in the pocket to work his magic because he was too busy being chased out of it by white jersys.

sc_markt
01-18-2012, 01:41 PM
Between Finley, Jones, and Nelson , there were alot of dropped balls ,.. Driver had his a better game. The only common denominator is Rodgers.. Im not sure if I call that game rusty ,. I think it was more along the lines of Rodgers being rushed ,agree or disagree?


How many other playoff teams have come off that 1st week's rest and come back rusty? To my knowledge, not very many. That's a lame excuse IMO.