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krygny
01-18-2012, 08:35 AM
Ahhh ..., now those were the days. Hard to imagine ever losing a game with these guys on the sideline.

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http://www.newsday.com/sports/columnists/bob-glauber/bill-parcells-likes-giants-chances-vs-49ers-1.3459763

<h1>Bill Parcells likes Giants' chances vs. 49ers</h1>


<span class="initial">Take it from another Giants coach who has gone into </span>
San Francisco for the NFC Championship Game and come away with a ticket to the Super Bowl (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Super_Bowl):
This Giants team has every reason to believe it can make the
cross-country journey and earn a future trip to Indianapolis by beating
the 49ers in a rematch of the conference title game from the 1990-91
season. </p>


"I think they have a real shot," two-time Super Bowl (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Super_Bowl)-winning coach Bill Parcells (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Bill_Parcells)
told Newsday yesterday in a telephone interview from his home in
Jupiter, Fla. "They've got a good quarterback , they're an adept passing
team, and they can knock the quarterback down. Now, they have a couple
of holes, but so does everybody. They've been improving a great deal in
recent weeks."</p>


Parcells works these days as an ESPN (http://www.newsday.com/topics/ESPN) analyst, but make no mistake: He's bleeding Giants' blue for this one.</p>


"Who do you think I'm
rooting for, the 49ers?" he said. "I couldn't root for the 49ers if
they're playing the Giants, can I? Too much blood."</p>


After watching the Giants dispatch the Falcons, 24-2, in the wild-card round and then the Packers (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Green_Bay_Packers),
37-20, in Sunday's divisional playoffs, Parcells thinks the Giants have
what it takes to duplicate his own NFC Championship Game win over the
49ers.</p>


Parcells achieved an unlikely 15-13 win over the 49ers at Candlestick Park as backup quarterback Jeff Hostetler (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Jeff_Hostetler) outperformed two-time defending Super Bowl (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Super_Bowl) champion quarterback Joe Montana (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Montana_%28designer%29) in one of the Giants' greatest playoff upsets ever.</p>


"I knew we had a shot because we had a
good team," Parcells said. "It wasn't glamorous, but we could do things
well. We could run it, play defense and play in close games. Our
players wouldn't crack mentally. That was a very underrated team."</p>


Parcells sees many similarities to
this season's Giants, especially when it comes to mental toughness. He
thinks it showed in a big way in Sunday's win over the defending Super Bowl (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Super_Bowl) champion Packers (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Green_Bay_Packers).
He likened the Giants' upset to a boxing match, and referenced a
memorable scene from "Rocky," in which Apollo Creed's trainer, Duke,
tells his fighter after an early knockdown to take Rocky more seriously.</p>


"He doesn't know it's a damn show. He thinks it's a damn fight," Duke said. "Now finish this bum and let's go home."</p>


"The Giants knew it was a fight in Green Bay, and I'm not sure the Packers (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Green_Bay_Packers)
knew that," Parcells said. "Sometimes, when you have a guy who can bail
you out, human nature says you just rely on him. The Giants, they're
not like that. Manning's terrific. They got a team there. Tom Coughlin (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Tom_Coughlin) has done a terrific job."</p>


Parcells said the Giants' fighting
spirit has carried them a long way in these playoffs. He thinks it can
carry them at least another week for a chance at a fourth Super Bowl (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Super_Bowl) title.</p>


"The Giants are tough mentally, but
that's what it's supposed to be about," he said. "I think they've had
that over the years. I think it's kind of inbred. Players wind up
hearing about it. I think it helps them."</p>


Mental toughness was a hallmark of Parcells' teams, particularly the 1990 squad that overcame the late-season loss of Phil Simms (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Phil_Simms)
to an ankle injury, The Giants used a strong running game, some timely
passes from Hostetler, and an excellent defense to overcome Montana (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Montana_%28designer%29)'s 49ers.</p>


Parcells recalled one play in particular that convinced him the Giants would win.</p>


"I remember Ottis [Anderson] stiff-arming Ronnie Lott (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Ronnie_Lott) on a short-yardage play and thinking to myself, 'They're really, really trying to win this game.' "</p>


The Giants, who trailed 13-6 in the second half, knocked Montana (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Montana_%28designer%29) out of the game in the fourth quarter, used a fake punt to set up a Matt Bahr (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Matt_Bahr) field goal to make it 13-12 with 5:47 remaining and then won it on Bahr (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Matt_Bahr)'s 42-yard field goal with no time left.</p>


The Giants immediately traveled to Tampa (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Tampa) for Super Bowl (http://www.newsday.com/topics/Super_Bowl) XXV, which was scheduled for the following Sunday.</p>


"The plane ride was unbelievable,"
said Parcells, whose team beat the Bills in the Super Bowl a week later.
"We had a couple of beers, and we had five hours to celebrate. I told
the players, 'Tonight's your night. Team meeting tomorrow night at 6
o'clock. Find out where it is, and be there.' "</p>


Twenty-one years later, there might be
another memorable plane ride home and another Super Bowl for the
Giants. The old coach thinks it's about to happen.</p>


</p>

jomo
01-18-2012, 09:26 AM
He actually compared the Niners to the 1990 Giants then went on to say that the current Giants are better than the Niner.

yatitle
01-18-2012, 09:46 AM
He actually compared the Niners to the 1990 Giants then went on to say that the current Giants are better than the Niner.

He also said he was done coaching 4 different times. His word is as good as a 3 dollar bill. Once a phony always a phony.

BParcells777
01-18-2012, 10:04 AM
He actually compared the Niners to the 1990 Giants then went on to say that the current Giants are better than the Niner.

He also said he was done coaching 4 different times. His word is as good as a 3 dollar bill. Once a phony always a phony.


I don't see it

This team is a thoroughbred.........the 1990 team was patched together but just good enough to win.

This is the 1st Giants "Dominant" team since the 1986 team........prior to that you have to go back to the 1950's

yatitle
01-18-2012, 10:09 AM
He actually compared the Niners to the 1990 Giants then went on to say that the current Giants are better than the Niner.

He also said he was done coaching 4 different times. His word is as good as a 3 dollar bill. Once a phony always a phony.


I don't see it

This team is a thoroughbred.........the 1990 team was patched together but just good enough to win.

This is the 1st Giants "Dominant" team since the 1986 team........prior to that you have to go back to the 1950's


9-7 dominant? I know today's NFL is watered down but cmon!

BParcells777
01-18-2012, 10:15 AM
unlike a lot of people, I factor in injuries, schedules and home stretch results.....mid season they were winning but not yet dominant......that tough stretch toughened them mentally, and the team is finally healthy

the Packers were 15-1 and got the Bejzuuus kicked out of them........but for the refs they would have lost by 50 points

I know a dominant team when I see one

miked1958
01-18-2012, 10:25 AM
He actually compared the Niners to the 1990 Giants then went on to say that the current Giants are better than the Niner.

He also said he was done coaching 4 different times. His word is as good as a 3 dollar bill. Once a phony always a phony.


I don't see it

This team is a thoroughbred.........the 1990 team was patched together but just good enough to win.

This is the 1st Giants "Dominant" team since the 1986 team........prior to that you have to go back to the 1950's
</P>


I agree with your Statement but also am old enough to remember that 90 team. they were awesome. however i also agree with your statement that the current team is a Thoroughbred. (spelling?lol) but with the Weather Forecast for Sunday all the AIRSHOW stuff we have be Living off of last 4weeks may go right out the Window. This type game does not favor us if we have to run it the whole day. </P>

BParcells777
01-18-2012, 10:34 AM
He actually compared the Niners to the 1990 Giants then went on to say that the current Giants are better than the Niner.

He also said he was done coaching 4 different times. His word is as good as a 3 dollar bill. Once a phony always a phony.


I don't see it

This team is a thoroughbred.........the 1990 team was patched together but just good enough to win.

This is the 1st Giants "Dominant" team since the 1986 team........prior to that you have to go back to the 1950's
</p>


I agree with your Statement but also am old enough to remember that 90 team. they were awesome. however i also agree with your statement that the current team is a Thoroughbred. (spelling?lol) but with the Weather Forecast for Sunday all the AIRSHOW stuff we have be Living off of last 4weeks may go right out the Window. This type game does not favor us if we have to run it the whole day. </p>

Hi Miked.......I became a Giants fan in my Dad's car in 1958 at the age of 10 listening to the "Greatest Game ever Played (Baloney btw, maybe the greatest played to that time)" while he was with my mom in the restaurant- The Old Robin Hood Inn in Clifton.

I've listened to players and coaches discuss muddy fields over the years.......actually it favors the passing game and the WRs as they know where they are going and cutting and the defenders are left to slip all over the place.....it does not favor runners as they cannot get traction. The length of your cleats is a big also......hopefully the Giants bring the right equipment.

In the end it will be decided by force of will in this game as both teams are extremely physical.

The 1990 team had a lot of guts and pluck but was hardly dominant....I define dominant as destroying opponents and running up the score game after game

krygny
01-18-2012, 11:37 AM
He actually compared the Niners to the 1990 Giants then went on to say that the current Giants are better than the Niner.

He also said he was done coaching 4 different times. His word is as good as a 3 dollar bill. Once a phony always a phony.

This is true. While the guy was a brilliant coach, he never managed to be forthright with any organization he was with. Double-dealed all of them. Except the last one, Miami. I guess he just ran out of saps to play off of.

MikeIsaGiant
01-18-2012, 12:35 PM
You guys make it seem like Sunday will be rainy and muddy, it's still Wednesday, anything can change.

buffyblue
01-18-2012, 12:50 PM
Take it easy fellas. Lets start throwing “this team is as dominant as 1986 NY Giants” after they live up to their potential and win in San Francisco this Sunday.

I bELIeve this currnet NY Giants team has the potential to be even more dominant than the 1986 NY Giants team but lets get there first.

I bELIeve.

burier
01-18-2012, 01:02 PM
When the Giants hire a cheating scumbag like Belichick we can compare teams.

gumby742
01-18-2012, 01:35 PM
He actually compared the Niners to the 1990 Giants then went on to say that the current Giants are better than the Niner.

He also said he was done coaching 4 different times.* His word is as good as a 3 dollar bill.* Once a phony always a phony.


I don't see it

This team is a thoroughbred.........the 1990 team was patched together but just good enough to win.

This is the 1st Giants "Dominant" team since the 1986 team........prior to that you have to go back to the 1950's


2008

UFGiantFan
01-18-2012, 02:01 PM
As a fan from the early 80's, I'm really surprised by all the venom toward past Giants like Parcells and Belichick. Both have repeatedly been outspoken about their love for the Giants and will consider themselves Giants for life. Continuing to rip on Belichick for 'cheating' is weird coming from a fan base that actually beat his team in the Super Bowl. It's pretty common knowledge across the league that most teams have tried those tactics before, and they were reprimanded at the time.

burier
01-18-2012, 02:08 PM
As a fan from the early 80's, I'm really surprised by all the venom toward past Giants like Parcells and Belichick. Both have repeatedly been outspoken about their love for the Giants and will consider themselves Giants for life. Continuing to rip on Belichick for 'cheating' is weird coming from a fan base that actually beat his team in the Super Bowl. It's pretty common knowledge across the league that most teams have tried those tactics before, and they were reprimanded at the time.

Its pretty common knowlege that pointing to other people's behavior to justify your own behavior is a sign of weakness.

Also Andy Reid, **** Vermeil, Jim Fassel among other have said they never used any tactic like the ones used by Bill Belichick. So that "But everybody's doing it" excuse doesn't fly.

I personally wont forgive the Pats until their rings are revoked or at the very least an asterisk is placed on the 3 Superbowls.

UFGiantFan
01-18-2012, 02:54 PM
Its pretty common knowlege that pointing to other people's behavior to justify your own behavior is a sign of weakness.

Also Andy Reid, **** Vermeil, Jim Fassel among other have said they never used any tactic like the ones used by Bill Belichick. So that "But everybody's doing it" excuse doesn't fly.

I personally wont forgive the Pats until their rings are revoked or at the very least an asterisk is placed on the 3 Superbowls.

First, I should have stated 'similar tactics' not 'those tactics', which would counter your argument that 3 coaches have said they didn't specifically participate in taping other teams.

Not sure why you'd state anything about "pointing to other people's behavior to justify your own", as I never used that as a reason why Belichick did what he did.

If it wasn't common knowledge that teams in most sports (certainly all that I follow) tried to get an advantage when possible, terms similar to 'It aint cheating if you don't get caught' wouldn't be part of regular conversation.

With that said, I can certainly appreciate anyone who is 100% opposed to these kind of tactics, and if you do take the moral high ground in your life, good on you.

You certainly have a right to never forgive the Pats, however, needing an asterisk placed next to their wins is as obtuse as refusing to acknowledge the Tampa Bay Bucs Super Bowl win because the Giants didn't receive the pass interference call against the 49ers in the Wild Card round.

burier
01-18-2012, 03:06 PM
Its pretty common knowlege that pointing to other people's behavior to justify your own behavior is a sign of weakness.

Also Andy Reid, **** Vermeil, Jim Fassel among other have said they never used any tactic like the ones used by Bill Belichick. So that "But everybody's doing it" excuse doesn't fly.

I personally wont forgive the Pats until their rings are revoked or at the very least an asterisk is placed on the 3 Superbowls.

First, I should have stated 'similar tactics' not 'those tactics', which would counter your argument that 3 coaches have said they didn't specifically participate in taping other teams.

Not sure why you'd state anything about "pointing to other people's behavior to justify your own", as I never used that as a reason why Belichick did what he did.

If it wasn't common knowledge that teams in most sports (certainly all that I follow) tried to get an advantage when possible, terms similar to 'It aint cheating if you don't get caught' wouldn't be part of regular conversation.

With that said, I can certainly appreciate anyone who is 100% opposed to these kind of tactics, and if you do take the moral high ground in your life, good on you.

You certainly have a right to never forgive the Pats, however, needing an asterisk placed next to their wins is as obtuse as refusing to acknowledge the Tampa Bay Bucs Super Bowl win because the Giants didn't receive the pass interference call against the 49ers in the Wild Card round.

It wasn't three coaches. It was more but I named the ones I could specifically remember commenting on the subject.

Also either intentionally or incidentally you do imply that the fact that other coaches may have done something wrong somehow excuses Belichick which I categorically disagree with.

On your final point. I appreciate your effort but Spygate and...lets call it "Illegal man downfieldgate" can't be compared because in the latter case the offenders were the officials. There is no reasonable logic to justify punishing a football team for an official's mistake.

I honestly wouldn't care about Spygate if not for the fact that Prince Brady and Belichick get fawned over when they're known cheaters and everyone acts like it didn't happen.

Not to mention the running the score up on inferior opponents.

Failure to show sportmanship by the both the coach and the Quarterback

(Did Belichick even shake Coughlins hand after the Superbowl? I know Brady didn't shake Eli's hand before the SB)

Then you add teams player like Rodney Harrison who not only was caught juicing (More patriots cheating) But played beyond the whistle on litterally every play he was on the field.

And the kicker. The thing that really grinds my gears is Belichick has taken it upon himself to slap a black eye on the 2 Giants Superbowls that were won while he was a Giants employee which I will never ever forgive him for.

Plus I hate that he is looked upon as some sort of Genius when he never did a damn thing without LT or cheating to aid him.