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nycsportzfan
10-15-2011, 07:27 AM
4. New York Giants </p>

Three of the
five scouts listed the Giants among their top five, with one
listing New York's crew as the second-best in the NFL. General
manager Jerry Reese was highlighted by two of them, with one scout also
acknowledging Jerry Shay, a former Giants' defensive tackle and a
scout for the club since 1973. </p>

Since hiring
Reese to take over for Ernie Accorsi in 2007, the Giants have won a
Super Bowl and have never finished a season with a losing record.
Those facts speak for themselves. Perhaps most impressive,
however, has been the Giants' drafting. Reese's first draft class in
2007 played a huge role in their winning the Super Bowl a year later.
While some teams talk about building through the draft and
ignoring the high costs and bust rates of veteran free agency, the
Giants have lived it. Of their current starters, only Eli Manning
(acquired in a draft day trade with San Diego), OT Kareem
McKenzie, FS Antrel Rolle and LB Michael Boley weren't drafted by
the Giants. </p>

nycsportzfan
10-15-2011, 07:28 AM
Heres the Entire Article for whoever wants to read it




Ask any NFL employee and they'll tell you that for all of the
money that goes into contracts for head coaches and players, the
scouting department is the life blood of any successful team. </p>


Sure, some clubs are built into playoff contenders because they
hit on a few first-round picks or spend wisely in free agency.
Most do so by building from within and finding the proverbial
diamonds in the rough during the middle and later rounds of the
draft, as well as undrafted free agency. </p>

Just
scouting and drafting well, however, doesn't necessarily translate
into victories. Coaches have to be able to draw the peak-level talent
and effort from the players they've been given. Players have to
perform and remain healthy. </p>

Perhaps the most
critical element to success in the NFL is communication between
the scouting department and the coaching staff. By understanding
precisely the physical and mental characteristics coaches are looking
for, scouts are able to find the top-rated prospects for their
clubs' unique schemes, rather than simply taking the man widely
viewed as the best available player. </p>

To assess
just which scouting departments are the best in the league,
NFLDraftScout.com asked the only people who would really know -- the
scouts, themselves. </p>

A panel of five individual
talent evaluators ranging from area scouts to general managers
agreed to identify the five best scouting departments in the NFL.
They were asked to largely ignore the team's overall record or
thoughts on the coaching staff in their assessment, and instead focus
on reliability, longevity and consistency of the scouting
department. The scouts, whose identities are protected, were not
allowed to choose the teams in which they are currently employed.
</p>

Their answers may surprise you... </p>

The Top Five Scouting Departments: </p>

5. Jacksonville Jaguars </p>


Two of the five scouts asked listed the Jaguars' scouting
department among the top five groups in the league. Another did
not list Jacksonville among his top five. He did peg Jacksonville
as the NFL's most underrated unit. </p>

Asked to
explain the selection, one high level scout summarized: "[General
manager] Gene Smith worked his way up through the organization. He
can make his own opinions but respects the work done by his
staff. [The Jaguars] aren't afraid to go after the small school
players, which requires guts and an eye for talent. They've also got one
of the better scouts in the business in Tim Mingey, who won the
C.O. Brocato award last year as the Hall of Fame's Scout of the
Year." </p>

Prior to 2009, when Smith was hired, the
Jaguars had developed a reputation for gambling on athletic
upside. This led to busts with defensive ends Derrick Harvey and
Quentin Groves, as well as 2008 first-round pick safety Reggie
Nelson. </p>

Since then, the Jaguars seem to have hit on
their first round picks, though quarterback Blaine Gabbert,
offensive lineman Eben Britton and certainly defensive end Tyson
Alualu were panned by some. The Jaguars have also been
extraordinarily successful in the middle rounds, finding starters
DT Terrance Knighton, WR Mike Thomas, DE Derek Cox and OG Will
Rackley in the third round or later since 2009. </p>

4. New York Giants </p>


Three of the five scouts listed the Giants among their top five,
with one listing New York's crew as the second-best in the NFL.
General manager Jerry Reese was highlighted by two of them, with
one scout also acknowledging Jerry Shay, a former Giants'
defensive tackle and a scout for the club since 1973. </p>


Since hiring Reese to take over for Ernie Accorsi in 2007, the
Giants have won a Super Bowl and have never finished a season with
a losing record. Those facts speak for themselves. Perhaps most
impressive, however, has been the Giants' drafting. Reese's first
draft class in 2007 played a huge role in their winning the Super
Bowl a year later. While some teams talk about building through
the draft and ignoring the high costs and bust rates of veteran
free agency, the Giants have lived it. Of their current starters,
only Eli Manning (acquired in a draft day trade with San Diego),
OT Kareem McKenzie, FS Antrel Rolle and LB Michael Boley weren't
drafted by the Giants. </p>

3. Pittsburgh Steelers </p>

Four of the five scouts listed the Steelers among the NFL's elite. </p>


Kevin Colbert, the first officially recognized general manager in
the history of the Pittsburgh Steelers has been with the
organization since 2000, when he was hired away from the Detroit
Lions as the team's director of football operations. Pittsburgh is
perhaps best known for the Steel Curtain defense, but rival
scouts recognized Colbert and his staff for their forward thinking
on the offensive side of the ball every bit as much as their
collaboration with Pittsburgh's defensive-minded head coaches --
Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin -- during Colbert's tenure. </p>


Said one scout, "Colbert is such a good scout in his own right, but
what the Steelers do as well as any team in the league is work
hand-in-hand with the coaching staff. Their scouts know exactly
what traits their coaches are looking for in players." </p>


The working relationship shows. Statistics can be bent in lots of
ways to prove a point, but this one requires little explanation.
In the 10 years Colbert worked in Detroit, the Lions went to the
playoffs five times. Since he left, they haven't been back. The
Steelers, on the other hand, have gone to the playoffs seven of
the past 11 years, reached the AFC Championship game five times
and have won two Super Bowls. </p>

2. Baltimore Ravens </p>


Four of the five scouts polled listed the Baltimore Ravens as one
of the NFL's top five scouting departments. General manager Ozzie
Newsome gets most of the credit -- and according to those
questioned, he deserves it. </p>

"Newsome is a so savvy.
He reads the board well and doesn't chase needs. That's why he's
had so many stars fall into his lap. He follows the
best-player-available strategy and gets good football players every
time." </p>

One scout also mentioned that Eric DeCosta,
who now serves as Baltimore's director of player personnel after
serving six years as the team's Scouting Director, should be a GM
by now. DeCosta has interviewed for such jobs, and reportedly was a
prime target of the Oakland Raiders this week. </p>


Since the move to Baltimore, Newsome has helped the Ravens' staff
become arguably the NFL's most consistent talent evaluators. In
their first ever draft, they landed future Hall of Famers Jonathan
Ogden and Ray Lewis. Including linebacker Bart Scott, who was
signed as an undrafted free agent, the Ravens have produced 14
"homegrown" Pro Bowl players in just 15 seasons. It is also
important to note that unlike the other teams on this list,
Baltimore scouts independently and is not a current member of
either of the two scouting services used by most other NFL teams
to help narrow the search for new talent. </p>

1. Green Bay Packers </p>


Playing well this season as the defending Super Bowl champs,
perhaps it isn't much of a surprise that the Packers head this
list. </p>

It is interesting that Green Bay's scouting
department, led by general manager Ted Thompson, was nominated by
all five poll participants. </p>

Three of the scouts listed Green Bay first. </p>


Thompson has long been recognized in scouting circles as one of
the better and more committed talent scouts in the business. Like
Pittsburgh's Kevin Colbert, Thompson was acknowledged by peers not
only for the success he has had with his current team, but his
former team, as well. Prior to re-signing with Green Bay, Thompson
followed Mike Holmgren to Seattle. Thompson, according to one
scout, was instrumental in his role as the Seahawks' vice
president of football operations in helping Seattle reach Super
Bowl XL. Many credit Thompson with recognizing the talent he had
in Aaron Rodgers and not allowing Brett Favre's past to guide the
Packers' pursuit of future success. Similar gambles on B.J. Raji,
Clay Matthews, James Starks, Jermichael Finley and even backup
quarterback Matt Flynn have already paid off. </p>


"What's scary is that the [scouting department] has helped the Packers
build the deepest, most talented team in the league. Thompson is
running the show for the Super Bowl champs, so he's king of the
hill -- and he may stay there for awhile." </p>

Rob Rang is a Senior Analyst for NFLDraftScout.com. </p>

thegreatone
10-15-2011, 08:40 AM
List seems pretty credible until you get to jville. I mean really? 5th

Coloradokid
12-01-2011, 04:52 PM
I do not agree with the so called experts. Draft picks look great on paper but on field performance is what matters. With (1) exception name draft picks that play a consistent major role. The Giant draft picks spend more time hurt than healthy. Nicks, Beatty, Prince, Kiwi, Manningham, All the selected LB's have spent significant time on IR or missed games. I would like to know what the criteria used for evaluating the draft was.

myles2424
12-01-2011, 05:18 PM
2009 & 2010 draft were horrendous.....

gmen0820
12-01-2011, 05:25 PM
I like Rob Rang. Knowledgable dude.

nycsportzfan
12-01-2011, 08:49 PM
2009 &amp; 2010 draft were horrendous..... what? I coulden't dissagree more! Prince JPP Nicks Beatty Barden(coming along now that healthy) Joseph and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us If guys like Goff Chad Jones TT Austin could of stayed healthy I think our teams Completely diffrent right now! Reese is a awesome drafting Gm !

jhamburg
12-02-2011, 03:37 AM
2009 & 2010 draft were horrendous.....* what? I coulden't dissagree more!** Prince*** JPP**** Nicks Beatty****** Barden(coming along now that healthy)** Joseph*** and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us***** If guys like Goff** Chad Jones** TT* Austin could of stayed healthy***** I think our teams Completely diffrent right now!**** Reese is a* awesome drafting Gm !


Prince was 2011. 2010/2009 had good 1st round picks in both obviously, but no late round value. I wouldn't say horrendous since we got players who will be pro bowlers in both, but most of the guys drafted in those years aren't even on the roster anymore. Pretty bad considering how recent it was.

nycsportzfan
12-02-2011, 07:05 AM
2009 &amp; 2010 draft were horrendous..... what? I coulden't dissagree more! Prince JPP Nicks Beatty Barden(coming along now that healthy) Joseph and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us If guys like Goff Chad Jones TT Austin could of stayed healthy I think our teams Completely diffrent right now! Reese is a awesome drafting Gm !


Prince was 2011. 2010/2009 had good 1st round picks in both obviously, but no late round value. I wouldn't say horrendous since we got players who will be pro bowlers in both, but most of the guys drafted in those years aren't even on the roster anymore. Pretty bad considering how recent it was. Not really If anything its tough for guys to make it when u got so many Draft picks on the team all ready and are securing talented Undraft Free Agents to boot Everyone can't be on the team or you'd have 100guys on the team When your drafting guys like Terrell Thomas Jason Pierre Paul mario Nicks Bradshaw Kiwi Goff Boss Prince Linval Barden Beatty and finding sick Undrafted free agents like Victor Cruz and also Bruce Johnson and of course we don't even know about guys like Chad Jones and Austin Then u throw in guys like James Brewer and Petrus who could be good and i loved both picks and its just utterly insane! Injuries if anything give people there only Ammo against Reese's drafts If anything all his success with drafts leads to other draft picks not making the team Of course every now and again hes gonna not hit on a Late Rd draft pick but at least in 2010 he added Victor Cruz(another guy i loved right from the jump and thought he'd make the team) So i'd say that kinda makes up for it lol

nycsportzfan
01-03-2012, 02:54 PM
Jerry Reese can flat out draft! End of story!

<h1>AFTER FURTHER REVIEW: Reeseís strong drafts reason Giants in playoffs (http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/backpage/after_further_review_reese_strong_0XCImPX4wFE3dvCb iG51WI)</h1>


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<span>12:01 PM, January 3, 2012</span>
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By JUSTIN TERRANOVA (http://www.nypost.com/columnists/)</span>


Jerry Reese is the guy who before the season starter
guaranteed the Giants would make the playoffs, the guy who was taking a
lot of the criticism for a quiet offseason, and the guy whose job would
have been called into question had the Giants not fulfilled his
preseason prediction. </p>


Heís also the guy whose drafting ability is the reason the Giants are
the NFC East champs and playing host to the Falcons on Sunday. </p>


In 2007 when the Giants won the Super Bowl it was seventh-round
unknown rookie Ahmad Bradshaw who emerged at the end of the season and
helped carry the Giants into the playoffs and beyond. </p>


This year itís two players from the 2010 draft who have become the
most important on the Giants outside of quarterback Eli Manning. Reeseís
first-round pick was Jason Pierre-Paul, who had played football one
year at South Florida, and defensive end was one position the Giants had
depth at with Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Mathias Kiwanuka all
high-level players. But the Giants took Pierre-Paul with the 13th pick
anyway, and he has become the teamís best defensive player in his second
season.</p>


But Reeseís best decision came after the draft when he signed Victor
Cruz out of UMass. The New Jersey native immediately impressed with 297
receiving yards in the Giantsí 2010 preseason opening victory over the
Jets, but after playing sparingly in the regular season, Cruz hurt his
hamstring and was put on injured reserve. Cruz has come back this year
as a star. With Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham battling nagging
injuries, Cruz has been the one receiving constant for a Giants team
that also lost Steve Smith to the Eagles.</p>


It was the departure of Smith and tight end Kevin Boss that had
Giants fans struggling to understand the teamís post-lockout plan. Their
big free agent signing was center David Baas, while the Jets were
making splashes with the re-signing of Santonio Holmes and adding of
Plaxico Burress, who spurned a Giants reunion. </p>


Injuries to key players on the Giants defense (Prince Amukamara,
Terrell Thomas, Jonathan Goff) was also a reason for trepidation. It was
Reeseís strong 2011 draft that helped patch up that defense with rookie
linebackers Jacquian Williams (sixth round), Greg Jones (sixth round)
and Mark Herzlich (undrafted) all playing meaningful time. The defense
was vulnerable at times, but played its best football the final two
weeks of the season to beat the Jets and Cowboys and win the NFC East. </p>


They have Reese to thank for that. The Giants GM puts his stamp on
this team during Aprilís draft, not the free-agent period, and itís the
reason the Giants were able to survive crippling injuries and get back
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Raptor22
01-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Jerry Reese can flat out draft! End of story!

<h1>AFTER FURTHER REVIEW: Reeseís strong drafts reason Giants in playoffs (http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/backpage/after_further_review_reese_strong_0XCImPX4wFE3dvCb iG51WI)</h1>


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<span>12:01 PM, January 3, 2012</span>
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By JUSTIN TERRANOVA (http://www.nypost.com/columnists/)</span>


Jerry Reese is the guy who before the season starter
guaranteed the Giants would make the playoffs, the guy who was taking a
lot of the criticism for a quiet offseason, and the guy whose job would
have been called into question had the Giants not fulfilled his
preseason prediction. </p>


Heís also the guy whose drafting ability is the reason the Giants are
the NFC East champs and playing host to the Falcons on Sunday. </p>


In 2007 when the Giants won the Super Bowl it was seventh-round
unknown rookie Ahmad Bradshaw who emerged at the end of the season and
helped carry the Giants into the playoffs and beyond. </p>


This year itís two players from the 2010 draft who have become the
most important on the Giants outside of quarterback Eli Manning. Reeseís
first-round pick was Jason Pierre-Paul, who had played football one
year at South Florida, and defensive end was one position the Giants had
depth at with Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Mathias Kiwanuka all
high-level players. But the Giants took Pierre-Paul with the 13th pick
anyway, and he has become the teamís best defensive player in his second
season.</p>


But Reeseís best decision came after the draft when he signed Victor
Cruz out of UMass. The New Jersey native immediately impressed with 297
receiving yards in the Giantsí 2010 preseason opening victory over the
Jets, but after playing sparingly in the regular season, Cruz hurt his
hamstring and was put on injured reserve. Cruz has come back this year
as a star. With Hakeem Nicks and Mario Manningham battling nagging
injuries, Cruz has been the one receiving constant for a Giants team
that also lost Steve Smith to the Eagles.</p>


It was the departure of Smith and tight end Kevin Boss that had
Giants fans struggling to understand the teamís post-lockout plan. Their
big free agent signing was center David Baas, while the Jets were
making splashes with the re-signing of Santonio Holmes and adding of
Plaxico Burress, who spurned a Giants reunion. </p>


Injuries to key players on the Giants defense (Prince Amukamara,
Terrell Thomas, Jonathan Goff) was also a reason for trepidation. It was
Reeseís strong 2011 draft that helped patch up that defense with rookie
linebackers Jacquian Williams (sixth round), Greg Jones (sixth round)
and Mark Herzlich (undrafted) all playing meaningful time. The defense
was vulnerable at times, but played its best football the final two
weeks of the season to beat the Jets and Cowboys and win the NFC East. </p>


They have Reese to thank for that. The Giants GM puts his stamp on
this team during Aprilís draft, not the free-agent period, and itís the
reason the Giants were able to survive crippling injuries and get back
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Or is it!?
*DUN DUN DUN!!!*

From the draft genius and all knowing Count Cho... I mean Mel Kiper:


Although the Giants have had a very good season based on where they
are, it's fair to say the draft hasn't really played a role. Prince Amukamara (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/130895/prince-amukamara)
is seeing significant time now but was out early after a broken foot.
He has played a bit better in recent weeks, but it's hard to say at this
point whether he projects as more than a solid regular. Marvin Austin (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/130945/marvin-austin) was a good value based on talent, but the defensive tackle out of North Carolina got hurt early and hasn't factored in. Jerrel Jernigan (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/131123/jerrel-jernigan)
hasn't really worked his way into the offense. Greg Jones was a nice
value, but he has seen only spot duty thus far. One promising rookie
year has come from Henry Hynoski (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/130890/henry-hynoski)
-- but he was an undrafted free agent. There's talent here, but it's
still early days, and this class hasn't really had a noticeable effect
on the season.

(Note: Kiper has regraded the Giants' 2011 draft from "B-" to "C")

That Jerry Reese is such a buffoon for knowingly drafting guys who will get hurt. And special teams doesn't matter. Its not a game has EVER been won or lost on special teams play.

...And Jaquan Williams doesn't exist. That's why Kiper never knew who he was.

bLuereverie
01-11-2012, 08:17 PM
I do not agree with the so called experts. Draft picks look great on paper but on field performance is what matters. With (1) exception name draft picks that play a consistent major role. The Giant draft picks spend more time hurt than healthy. Nicks, Beatty, Prince, Kiwi, Manningham, All the selected LB's have spent significant time on IR or missed games. I would like to know what the criteria used for evaluating the draft was.

And injuries that occur over the course of the game are the fault of talent evaluators? Those guys didn't have injury concerns prior to being drafted. Is it Reese's fault that they get hit?

The article also forgot about Canty and Baas as starters not drafted by the Giants.

RoanokeFan
01-11-2012, 08:46 PM
2009 &amp; 2010 draft were horrendous..... what? I coulden't dissagree more! Prince JPP Nicks Beatty<font color="#0000FF"> Barden(coming along now that healthy)</font> Joseph and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us If guys like Goff Chad Jones TT Austin could of stayed healthy I think our teams Completely diffrent right now! Reese is a awesome drafting Gm !


Really?

nycsportzfan
01-12-2012, 09:51 AM
2009 &amp; 2010 draft were horrendous..... what? I coulden't dissagree more! Prince JPP Nicks Beatty<font color="#0000FF"> Barden(coming along now that healthy)</font> Joseph and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us If guys like Goff Chad Jones TT Austin could of stayed healthy I think our teams Completely diffrent right now! Reese is a awesome drafting Gm !


Really?
Thats quite all right hes contributed anyways and theres alot of other names on that list that make up for barden.

lawl
01-13-2012, 03:42 AM
2009 &amp; 2010 draft were horrendous..... what? I coulden't dissagree more! Prince JPP Nicks Beatty<FONT color=#0000ff> Barden(coming along now that healthy)</FONT> Joseph and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us If guys like Goff Chad Jones TT Austin could of stayed healthy I think our teams Completely diffrent right now! Reese is a awesome drafting Gm !


Really?
Thats quite all right hes contributed anyways and theres alot of other names on that list that make up for barden.
</P>


wonder who gets the #3 job if manningham walks.</P>

bLuereverie
01-13-2012, 04:45 AM
</P>


wonder who gets the #3 job if manningham walks.</P>

I'd be willing to bet Hixon after his second knee injury [and if still signed], Jerrell Jernigan and Devin Thomas would be ahead of Barden on the depth chart in the event no other receiver is signed/drafted.

BlueSanta
01-13-2012, 06:34 AM
</p>


wonder who gets the #3 job if manningham walks.</p>

I'd be willing to bet Hixon after his second knee injury [and if still signed], Jerrell Jernigan and Devin Thomas would be ahead of Barden on the depth chart in the event no other receiver is signed/drafted.

2 injuries to the same knee within 2 years is gonna be a tough recovery for him. Same for Sintim.

Both these guys may be done in the NFL.

nycsportzfan
01-13-2012, 06:49 AM
2009 &amp; 2010 draft were horrendous..... what? I coulden't dissagree more! Prince JPP Nicks Beatty<font color="#0000ff"> Barden(coming along now that healthy)</font> Joseph and then u got Injuries to guys like Chad Jones which is kinda bad luck and injuries have derailed alot of hope for some seemingly great Draft picks for us If guys like Goff Chad Jones TT Austin could of stayed healthy I think our teams Completely diffrent right now! Reese is a awesome drafting Gm !


Really?
Thats quite all right hes contributed anyways and theres alot of other names on that list that make up for barden.
</p>


wonder who gets the #3 job if manningham walks.</p> well u got Barden who adds size to the strengths of cruz and nicks and u got jerrnigan who in theory is a versatile speedster slot type guy.. I'd think those 2 would get cracks at the gig and we may just add a guy at some point in the draft in the mid to late rounds to compete with those 2 for the gig and 2 round out the depth.. I really don't see Hixon returning to the Giants next season and Devin Thomas has shown very little in my estimation.. A guy like Eric Page WR Toledo or Greg Childs WR Arkansas in the 5-7 range would be nice to compete against Barden and Jerrnigan.. maybe a guy like Bj Cunningham drops to rd 7 or so and we take a flier on a guy who slips through the cracks? Tough to say

bLuereverie
01-13-2012, 10:03 AM
</p>


wonder who gets the #3 job if manningham walks.</p>

I'd be willing to bet Hixon after his second knee injury [and if still signed], Jerrell Jernigan and Devin Thomas would be ahead of Barden on the depth chart in the event no other receiver is signed/drafted.

2 injuries to the same knee within 2 years is gonna be a tough recovery for him. Same for Sintim.

Both these guys may be done in the NFL.


I acknowledge just how hard it is. I'm just saying Barden looks that bad.

deekay7685
01-13-2012, 09:55 PM
for the same money MM is going to get i'd go after NOR Robert Meachem to be our 3rd WR (SE). Better health, longer/ taller, better hands, good in red zone and can also run.

instead of Barden who was a wasted pick i would go for Cotchery or Hagan.

poppa smurph
01-13-2012, 10:21 PM
for the same money MM is going to get i'd go after NOR Robert Meachem to be our 3rd WR (SE). Better health, longer/ taller, better hands, good in red zone and can also run. instead of Barden who was a wasted pick i would go for Cotchery or Hagan.</P>


Meachem is only a third option in NO, Green-Bay or the Giants.</P>


He'd be a 2nd anywhere else.</P>