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JMFP2
01-21-2012, 11:43 PM
Don Hutson</P>


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/don_hutson_330.jpg</P>


When you compare his statistics v. his peers, saying Jerry Rice was better is like saying Hank Aaron was better than Babe Ruth.</P>


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look@dafilm
01-21-2012, 11:46 PM
It was actually Jerry Rice, who was ranked not only the greatest WR of all time but the greatest player of all time regardless of position. But Hutson was very good though.

JMFP2
01-21-2012, 11:51 PM
It was actually Jerry Rice, who was ranked not only the greatest WR of all time but the greatest player of all time regardless of position. But Hutson was very good though.
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When I think "football", I think Walter Payton, LT,Butkus, Johnny Unitas.</P>


Jerry Rice is a top 20 of all time....but #1 of all time? No.</P>


Hutson was better. Look at his stats v. his competition.</P>


Rice's records will be broken ALOT quicker than Hutson's were.</P>

look@dafilm
01-21-2012, 11:59 PM
It was actually Jerry Rice, who was ranked not only the greatest WR of all time but the greatest player of all time regardless of position. But Hutson was very good though.
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When I think "football", I think Walter Payton, LT,Butkus, Johnny Unitas.</p>


Jerry Rice is a top 20 of all time....but #1 of all time? No.</p>


Hutson was better. Look at his stats v. his competition.</p>


Rice's records will be broken ALOT quicker than Hutson's were.</p>

First of all, lol at "top 20". NFL films ranked him #1 player ever.

You realize the closest person to Rice in all his stat leading categories are wayyyyy behind right? The closest in yards is like 5000-6000 away, the closest in catches is like 400 away, and the closes in TD is like 50 away. Good try though.

Easy-Duz-It
01-22-2012, 12:00 AM
jerry rice was the greatest wide receiver of all time. i wouldn't consider him the best player though. not even close.

i'm not saying he even deserves to be mentioned with the best of all time at this point....but nicks has the potential to be one of the all time greats. as long as he stays healthy and catches the ball. he's got all the tools. it'll be exciting to see what kind of numbers him and eli will put up together in the future.

egyptian420
01-22-2012, 12:03 AM
I'd say Jerry Rice then Cris Carter after him

JMFP2
01-22-2012, 12:04 AM
It was actually Jerry Rice, who was ranked not only the greatest WR of all time but the greatest player of all time regardless of position. But Hutson was very good though.
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When I think "football", I think Walter Payton, LT,Butkus, Johnny Unitas.</P>


Jerry Rice is a top 20 of all time....but #1 of all time? No.</P>


Hutson was better. Look at his stats v. his competition.</P>


Rice's records will be broken ALOT quicker than Hutson's were.</P>




First of all, lol at "top 20". NFL films ranked him #1 player ever.

You realize the closest person to Rice in all his stat leading categories are wayyyyy behind right? The closest in yards is like 5000-6000 away, the closest in catches is like 400 away, and the closes in TD is like 50 away. Good try though.
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I saw the NFL Films special. And I agree with Peter King....Don Hutson was the best wide receiver of all time.</P>


http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2009/10/08/qa-with-sports-illustrateds-peter-king/</P>


When you compare Hutson with his peers, it's no contest:</P>


Most seasons leading league in pass receptions (8), </P>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receptions (5), </P>


Most seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (7), </P>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (4), </P>


Most seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (9), </P>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (5), </P>


Most seasons leading league in scoring (5), </P>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring (5) </P>


Calling a wide receiver - any wide receiver - the best player of all time is a joke. Rice was a great player....Top 20. But wide receivers see the ball maybe 5 to 10 times per game...the position simply doesn't influence the game like a QB, RB, or DL/LB does.</P>


Like I said, Rice's stats will fall alot quicker than Hutson's.</P>

Jotun_Fan
01-22-2012, 12:27 AM
Hutsons numbers are certainly impressive, but if you're going to knock Jerry Rice's numbers for playing in a pass happy league, then you have to knock Hutson for playing in a non-integrated league. When Jackie Robinson was in college he played an all-star game against the champion Chicago bears, and players said "the only time they worried was when Jackie Robinson was in there" and "I thought Hutson was fast but Robinson could spot Hutson five yards and still pass him by." Rice is the best of all time, and to me it's not even close. His records might stand for a while too.

bflo23
01-22-2012, 12:31 AM
After looking at Jerry Rice's career stats, it is fairly easy to say that he was the best WR of all time. He never ran over people like T.O. used to or had the speed of a Randy Moss but Rice was the best. He had 14 years of over 1,000 receiving yards. And most of them were around 1,200-1,500.

Nearly 23,000 receiving yards and 7,000 receiving yards over the 2nd all-time receiver. It is crazy. Rice does have a couple big advantages though and that is having Montana and Young. He also had the great california weather conditions in his career.

Randy Moss? If Randy Moss ever fixed his "mental issues of taking plays off" and tried harder, he could have surpassed Rice's career. He retired when he was only 33 years old and he should have put up at least 1,300 every year for like 15 years.

look@dafilm
01-22-2012, 12:36 AM
It was actually Jerry Rice, who was ranked not only the greatest WR of all time but the greatest player of all time regardless of position. But Hutson was very good though.
</p>


When I think "football", I think Walter Payton, LT,Butkus, Johnny Unitas.</p>


Jerry Rice is a top 20 of all time....but #1 of all time? No.</p>


Hutson was better. Look at his stats v. his competition.</p>


Rice's records will be broken ALOT quicker than Hutson's were.</p>




First of all, lol at "top 20". NFL films ranked him #1 player ever.

You realize the closest person to Rice in all his stat leading categories are wayyyyy behind right? The closest in yards is like 5000-6000 away, the closest in catches is like 400 away, and the closes in TD is like 50 away. Good try though.
</p>


I saw the NFL Films special. And I agree with Peter King....Don Hutson was the best wide receiver of all time.</p>


http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2009/10/08/qa-with-sports-illustrateds-peter-king/</p>


When you compare Hutson with his peers, it's no contest:</p>


Most seasons leading league in pass receptions (8), </p>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receptions (5), </p>


Most seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (7), </p>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (4), </p>


Most seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (9), </p>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (5), </p>


Most seasons leading league in scoring (5), </p>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring (5) </p>


Calling a wide receiver - any wide receiver - the best player of all time is a joke. Rice was a great player....Top 20. But wide receivers see the ball maybe 5 to 10 times per game...the position simply doesn't influence the game like a QB, RB, or DL/LB does.</p>


Like I said, Rice's stats will fall alot quicker than Hutson's.</p>

He was amazing, no doubt, but not as amazing as the guy (Rice) who played the game at a high level until he was like 42-43 years old. And I don't know where you're getting this "Rice's records will be broken quickly" crap from. Even if Fitzgerald, who is on a record setting pace career wise with catches, continues on an even a pace remotely similar to the one he's on for like 10+ years, he still won't break Rice's record for TDs or yards, not even close. Megatron might get close in terms of TDs, but I doubt even he will sniff it.

And the reason he's first all time is because of his longevity and work ethic and attitude. All the little things that make you a great football player, he did 10x better than anyone else. He is the GOAT regardless of position.

Oh, and just to brag, on that same NFL films list, Montana was #2 :)

bflo23
01-22-2012, 12:39 AM
At first I thought you were kind of wrong and then I looked at Nicks's age and career stats and it is pretty impressive already. In 3 years, he is already over 3,000 receiving yards with 24 TDs. When I am thinking of all-time great receiver, I am thinking reaching +10,000 receiving yards. I think Nicks can do it. And with Eli, I think this combo has plenty of years left.

bflo23
01-22-2012, 12:44 AM
I don't see anybody ever breaking Rice's records unless another Moss talent comes around with great attitude, tries 100% all the time, has perfect conditions, has constantly hall of fame QBs throwing to him, STAYS HEALTHY FOR 20 YEARS..... That isn't happening.

With receivers, we see huge drop offs at the end of their career. Look at Moss and T.O. who were playing at high level and then boom.... they are retired.

byron
01-22-2012, 12:47 AM
As a kid you couldn't have told me thatanyone was better than Homer Jones I loved that guy...call me a Homer If you wantscrew all them other guys...;)

look@dafilm
01-22-2012, 12:47 AM
I don't see anybody ever breaking Rice's records unless another Moss talent comes around with great attitude, tries 100% all the time, has perfect conditions, has constantly hall of fame QBs throwing to him, STAYS HEALTHY FOR 20 YEARS..... That isn't happening.

With receivers, we see huge drop offs at the end of their career. Look at Moss and T.O. who were playing at high level and then boom.... they are retired.


To be fair, Owens played great too. He had over 900 yards in his age 37 season before he got injured. He didn't latch on any where because of two reasons: his knee, and his history.

FishinTheSalt
01-22-2012, 12:49 AM
Why did you start this the night befor... nevermind.

JMFP2
01-22-2012, 12:49 AM
It was actually Jerry Rice, who was ranked not only the greatest WR of all time but the greatest player of all time regardless of position. But Hutson was very good though.
</P>


When I think "football", I think Walter Payton, LT,Butkus, Johnny Unitas.</P>


Jerry Rice is a top 20 of all time....but #1 of all time? No.</P>


Hutson was better. Look at his stats v. his competition.</P>


Rice's records will be broken ALOT quicker than Hutson's were.</P>




First of all, lol at "top 20". NFL films ranked him #1 player ever.

You realize the closest person to Rice in all his stat leading categories are wayyyyy behind right? The closest in yards is like 5000-6000 away, the closest in catches is like 400 away, and the closes in TD is like 50 away. Good try though.
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I saw the NFL Films special. And I agree with Peter King....Don Hutson was the best wide receiver of all time.</P>


http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2009/10/08/qa-with-sports-illustrateds-peter-king/</P>


When you compare Hutson with his peers, it's no contest:</P>


Most seasons leading league in pass receptions (8), </P>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receptions (5), </P>


Most seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (7), </P>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receiving yards gained (4), </P>


Most seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (9), </P>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in pass receiving touchdowns (5), </P>


Most seasons leading league in scoring (5), </P>


Most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring (5) </P>


Calling a wide receiver - any wide receiver - the best player of all time is a joke. Rice was a great player....Top 20. But wide receivers see the ball maybe 5 to 10 times per game...the position simply doesn't influence the game like a QB, RB, or DL/LB does.</P>


Like I said, Rice's stats will fall alot quicker than Hutson's.</P>




He was amazing, no doubt, but not as amazing as the guy (Rice) who played the game at a high level until he was like 42-43 years old. And I don't know where you're getting this "Rice's records will be broken quickly" crap from. Even if Fitzgerald, who is on a record setting pace career wise with catches, continues on an even a pace remotely similar to the one he's on for like 10+ years, he still won't break Rice's record for TDs or yards, not even close. Megatron might get close in terms of TDs, but I doubt even he will sniff it.

And the reason he's first all time is because of his longevity and work ethic and attitude. All the little things that make you a great football player, he did 10x better than anyone else. He is the GOAT regardless of position.

Oh, and just to brag, on that same NFL films list, Montana was #2 :)
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Montana at #2 I could totally agree with.</P>


I'd be fine if any of these guys were ranked #1:</P>


Joe Montana</P>


Johnny Unitas</P>


**** Butkus</P>


Lawrence Taylor</P>


Jim Brown</P>


Walter Payton</P>


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.......Jerry Rice????.....great, great player. One of the best of all time. </P>


But #1????? Come on. He was an awesome player, in an awesome system, playing under 2 Hall of Fame QBs. But he sure didn't go out on top like Jim Brown.</P>


Saying Jerry Rice was the greatest player of all time is like saying Emmitt Smith was the greatest player of all time.</P>

look@dafilm
01-22-2012, 12:57 AM
Montana at #2 I could totally agree with.</p>


I'd be fine if any of these guys were ranked #1:</p>


Joe Montana</p>


Johnny Unitas</p>


**** Butkus</p>


Lawrence Taylor</p>


Jim Brown</p>


Walter Payton</p>


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.......Jerry Rice????.....great, great player. One of the best of all time. </p>


But #1????? Come on. He was an awesome player, in an awesome system, playing under 2 Hall of Fame QBs. But he sure didn't go out on top like Jim Brown.</p>


Saying Jerry Rice was the greatest player of all time is like saying Emmitt Smith was the greatest player of all time.</p>

You sir are talking your way into a bunker. Did you read any part of my post? Rice is the greatest of all time not just because of his asinine numbers, but because of his clutch plays, dominant performance on the field (he schooled HOFers), his work ethic (when Young arrived, he insisted on working after practice for hours because he wanted to practice catching "left-handed passes"), and like I said, all the other little things he did way better than everyone else.

paul anthony
01-22-2012, 01:00 AM
The past is the past, stop trying relive it. Live in the moment and at the moment the two best receivers in the league are Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitz. No one is and no one was as physically gifted as these two men at the ar position.

Stan Laurel
01-22-2012, 01:15 AM
Lol at Niner fans signing up to troll this board and then getting trolled.

esbias
01-22-2012, 01:55 AM
Jerry rice > everyone

AllDayEli10
01-22-2012, 04:46 AM
Randy Moss!!!

Mohann
01-22-2012, 06:06 AM
Here is what I want to know. Rice is 1, Montana is 2 and LT was 3, right? How did they do head to head. LT's teams Vs, Rice and Montana.

jomo
01-22-2012, 06:40 AM
Rice, not even close.

Steelman
01-22-2012, 08:28 AM
These conversations about "Best of all time" crack me up. Although they make good conversation, the fact of the matter is that Rice could never have lasted as long as he did in the league if the guys covering him were allowed to maul him as they did Hutson.
Same goes for these QB's breaking all these passing records. Brady, Manning, Brees. If the players of the past could just stand there and not get body slammed by guys like Buchannon and Butkus they would have far better numbers. These wide recievers and QB's of today wouldn't play for any extended period of time.
You can say players are " The greatest in their time " Not the greatest of ALL.

jerseyrattler
01-22-2012, 08:40 AM
http://www.helmethut.com/Giants/HJones%20(9).jpg</P>


HOMER JONES </P>

Delicreep
01-22-2012, 09:27 AM
Rice, not even close.

Greatest WR of his time...yes (and it is not even close)
Greatest WR of all time? I say yes, but I would want to talk about players like Hudson who didn't play in a pass happy league.

Greatest player of all time? There are literally dozens, perhaps hundreds of players that could easily be in the running.

Duckdownman
01-22-2012, 09:32 AM
Im not big on stats alone especially if you have never even seen the player in question actually play. Im not old enough to have seen Huston play but have watched Rice many times. The thing that impressed me more than Rice's "stats" (which are incredible) is that he wasnt the fastest, or most athletic reciever yet was always the best during his tenure. Again i havent seen Hutson play and mean no dispespect but those stats posted are not a measure of greatness to me. This isnt to say he wasnt great, i just dont feel the posted stats prove that point. Leading in receptions, recieving yards, recieving td's, etc when the league wasnt a passing league is a overblown stat. I think those stats more so state that he revolutionized the position in regards to the leagure getting away from running only.
Is Bavaro a terrible tight end because his reception, revieving yards and recieving touchdowns are much much less than many other tight ends? No, the positon was different than it is now. I agree Hutsons records wont be broken unless the league somehow reverts back to the days of yesteryear and passing is rare, which wont happen. Consider Rice made his records in a pass happy league, thats more impressive to me.
Again this is just to really say stats alone dont mean squat. They both were great but using stats alone isnt a good argument.

bigjeep
01-22-2012, 09:37 AM
Don Hutson</P>


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/don_hutson_330.jpg</P>


When you compare his statistics v. his peers, saying Jerry Rice was better is like saying Hank Aaron was better than Babe Ruth.</P>


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embeshAtYa
01-22-2012, 11:13 AM
today? Jerry Rice could still dominate. Hutson would get smoked. Comon man.

ebick
01-22-2012, 11:28 AM
Rice was incredible.....there's no debating that.</P>


But today, my favorite memory of him is when he dropped that sure TD pass from Montana over the middle in the beginning of the 49-3 route by the Giants at the Meadowlands on their way to becoming Super Bowl XXI Champions.</P>


That drop lead to one of my favoritesports quotes, made by LT. When asked if Rice had made that catch, would it have made a difference in the game, he answered, "Yes, it would have been 49-10".</P>

Redeyejedi
01-22-2012, 11:36 AM
Don Hutson</P>


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/don_hutson_330.jpg</P>


When you compare his statistics v. his peers, saying Jerry Rice was better is like saying Hank Aaron was better than Babe Ruth.</P>


*</P>That guy looks like he weighs 150 pounds. Could u imagine how funny it would be to put a guy like Calvin Johnson in that Era. he would score 40 touchdowns

jhamburg
01-22-2012, 12:03 PM
Don Hutson</P>


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/don_hutson_330.jpg</P>


When you compare his statistics v. his peers, saying Jerry Rice was better is like saying Hank Aaron was better than Babe Ruth.</P>


*</P>That guy looks like he weighs 150 pounds. Could u imagine how funny it would be to put a guy like Calvin Johnson in that Era. he would score 40 touchdowns

per game

Voldamort
01-22-2012, 12:04 PM
I'am ok with that

jhamburg
01-22-2012, 12:06 PM
Don Hutson</P>


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/don_hutson_330.jpg</P>


When you compare his statistics v. his peers, saying Jerry Rice was better is like saying Hank Aaron was better than Babe Ruth.</P>


*</P>That guy looks like he weighs 150 pounds. Could u imagine how funny it would be to put a guy like Calvin Johnson in that Era. he would score 40 touchdowns

I'm not saying career obviously, but I don't think anyone has ever been as good as Calvin Johnson is this season. Every team puts 100% of their focus on him and he still beasts over everyone.

BParcells777
01-22-2012, 12:08 PM
At this point in his Career- Victor Cruz...........or Gronkowski

CA Jints Fan
01-22-2012, 01:29 PM
I'd say Jerry Rice then Cris Carter after him


Jerry Rice did not get caught up in BLOW and Booze and did not get run out of Philadelphia

stormblue
01-22-2012, 01:35 PM
Don Hutson</P>


http://static.nfl.com/static/content/catch_all/nfl_image/don_hutson_330.jpg</P>


When you compare his statistics v. his peers, saying Jerry Rice was better is like saying Hank Aaron was better than Babe Ruth.</P>


*</P>

Hank WAS better than Ruth.

BeatTHEJETS
01-22-2012, 01:54 PM
RANDY MOSS.
Soon to be Calvin Johnson.
You kidding me..
don Huston wouldnt come close to these guys if he played now. No where near the hight or physical.