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look@dafilm
01-24-2012, 12:21 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.

DragonSoul
01-24-2012, 12:24 AM
it wasn't. Learn the rules. Every one agrees it was not a fumble. BTW do you have eyes? Did you not see the replay of how forward motion was stopped?

To bad so sad. But glad to see you guys paid the refs off.

Here is the rule in case you didn't know it.

"Rule 7, Section 2 (b) of the NFL Rule Book (page 35) covers "dead balls." The rule states: "An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: (b) when a runner is held or otherwise restrained so that his forward progress ends." That was the immediate ruling yesterday, which is not subject to a replay review."

vcruz2013
01-24-2012, 12:24 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


>player wrapped up by numerous players
>player no longer advancing ball
>player being pulled to ground backward

Read an NFL rule book.

GmenFan1980
01-24-2012, 12:25 AM
Bummer :/

TheEnigma
01-24-2012, 12:26 AM
The refs made the correct call according to the rule but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not exactly a fan of that rule personally.

BigBlue2010
01-24-2012, 12:28 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.
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Does it surprise you that the whistle blew after forward progress had stopped because honestly I would be surprised if it hadn't.</P>

jjj45
01-24-2012, 12:29 AM
Whatever you say Charlie Sheen. http://boards.giants.com/emoticons/emotion-43.gif

Pakman
01-24-2012, 12:29 AM
How much longer do you plan on complaining about this...on the GIANTS message boards?

If we agree with you will it change the game? If we disagree with you does it make you feel better?

Let it go man it's over, time to move on.

BigBlue2010
01-24-2012, 12:32 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.
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Lol, hey buddy, i just noticed your undertitle on 49ers.com is "I am God". Why are you pleading to us?</P>

87Spider91
01-24-2012, 12:33 AM
Wow, now that you pointed it out I can clearly see that those dumb ol' refs blew it.

Ouch, that really sucks for you.

giantsfan420
01-24-2012, 12:40 AM
something the OP conveniently failed to mention is that there was a defender preventing bradshaw from making direct contact with the field by being underneath him and pulling him back. bradshaw wasnt able to have his body hit the ground bc of that defender.

that added into another two defenders grabbing him and pulling him backwards=forward progress stopped.

i bet that the way the 9ers hold up a player so that other team mates can come in and try and strip the ball was discussed by the officiating crew before the game, and when it happened, the refs were right on top of it.

i know u just cant get over the fact the best team won yesterday, and u cant get over the fact it was not ruled a fumble, but it happened. nothing u say or do will change that. with how the giants have been absolutely destroyed by HORRIBLE officiating, I'm glad that for once, they got it right.

jjj45
01-24-2012, 12:42 AM
Bummer :/Wow. Thats awesome! Wonder if anyone else will get it.

mromeo
01-24-2012, 12:43 AM
I think this is the key. I have heard Perriera and others say the play ends when the official sees the play end with his eyes and decides it is over. The whistle and arm waving can happen after eyes detect the end of the play. So the whistle is not necessarily the end of the play.

Tuffy44
01-24-2012, 12:50 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.

jjj45
01-24-2012, 12:53 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.
Dont worry the 49ers will be back next year. But I am sure you are proud of your team, getting this far with a new coach and all.

DragonSoul
01-24-2012, 12:54 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.
still pretending to be a Giants fan? Nothing better to do w/your time?

giantsfan420
01-24-2012, 12:55 AM
Bummer :/Wow. Thats awesome! Wonder if anyone else will get it.



i dont get it. can u explain

Tuffy44
01-24-2012, 12:57 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.
still pretending to be a Giants fan? Nothing better to do w/your time? I am true blue my dude. A blind man can see the best teams dont win in the nfl , the fix has always been on.

GmenFan1980
01-24-2012, 12:57 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.


I'm sorry I HAVE to ask.............Did you think Jennings fumbled last week? I ask cause that call goes completely against your "free ride" statement. -_-

AllDayEli10
01-24-2012, 01:00 AM
So u get ball kick a FG cause that's all the 49ers ever do. Eli goes down the field wit a minute left wins ball game either way!!!

GmenFan1980
01-24-2012, 01:01 AM
Bummer :/Wow. Thats awesome! Wonder if anyone else will get it.



i dont get it. can u explain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh3z-FZfPM0

2:36 ish is when Steve mariucci makes the comment I made

calzonesays
01-24-2012, 01:01 AM
At first this 49ers fan was kind of amusing and funny in a trolling sort of way..now he's just pathetic.

DragonSoul
01-24-2012, 01:13 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.


I'm sorry I HAVE to ask.............Did you think Jennings fumbled last week? I ask cause that call goes completely against your "free ride" statement. -_-it be easy to find. Just search for his previous posts. I normally would, but not worth the waste of time imho.

DragonSoul
01-24-2012, 01:13 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.


I'm sorry I HAVE to ask.............Did you think Jennings fumbled last week? I ask cause that call goes completely against your "free ride" statement. -_-it be easy to find. Just search for his previous posts. I normally would, but not worth the waste of time imho.

Tuffy44
01-24-2012, 01:18 AM
The punt muffs were all a set up. The refs control the game the fumble on bradshaw was obvious they wanted the giants to cover

giantsfan420
01-24-2012, 01:19 AM
Bummer :/Wow. Thats awesome! Wonder if anyone else will get it.



i dont get it. can u explain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh3z-FZfPM0

2:36 ish is when Steve mariucci makes the comment I made

nice. thank u. it worked out in the end i guess, karma made sure it even steven'd everything out (even tho it wasnt a fumble by bradshaw)

Tuffy44
01-24-2012, 01:23 AM
It is well known afc and nfc best teams are not in and that is the flaw of the nfl playoff system

Giantstealth
01-24-2012, 01:26 AM
Nice try man, and even Mike Pereira who always goes against the Giants agreed it was the right call w/o hesitation...He was stopped, and was clearly going backwards when the strip occurred...and as another poster said the refs can decide the call before blowing the whistle...that's all that matters...but go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to sport...

bflo23
01-24-2012, 01:31 AM
I can't believe a troll got this many responses. Why even give him a response? Everybody knows that the play was whistled correctly as Bradshaw was stopped, held up &amp; MOVED 3 yards backwards. Common sense.

jjj45
01-24-2012, 02:12 AM
Bummer :/Wow. Thats awesome! Wonder if anyone else will get it.



i dont get it. can u explain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh3z-FZfPM0

2:36 ish is when Steve mariucci makes the comment I made

nice. thank u. it worked out in the end i guess, karma made sure it even steven'd everything out (even tho it wasnt a fumble by bradshaw)yup.......bummer

Mohann
01-24-2012, 02:51 AM
What you SF morons don't get is the rule is in place to prevent exactly what you think should have been allowed to happen. It was easy to see that it was the correct call and just as easy to see your bitterness. And I'm loving it, keep up the stupidity.

plujo
01-24-2012, 05:26 AM
it was a borderline call, that could have reasonably been called either way.
THE REFS DON'T WANT TO DECIDE THE GAME ON A BORDERLINE CALL. ( too much heat for them) Think about it . ..

giantsfan420
01-24-2012, 05:34 AM
i know a perfect way to end this. remember the one sack near the end of the game where Kiwinuka lined up as a dt and stunted to the outside of the line, got the hit on alex smith, wrapped him up but Smith was still standing up? check that play out. its clear that osi was going for the strip while he and JPP finished up the sack.
however, u can clearly see the ref coming in blowing the whistle even though Smith hadnt technically been down. had osi stripped the ball, the same thing would have happened as on the bradshaw play. it wouldnt have counted.
its virtually the same exact scenario. forward progress done, kiwi on the ground holding smiths leg. ref comes in to blow the play dead, u can see him rushing to the qb. osi was still trying to rip the ball out. it wouldnt have mattered if he did bc the ref clearly was saying the play was over.

yoeddy
01-24-2012, 07:33 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


Bradshaw was wrapped up on the 21 yard line...the ball comes out when he's on the 19. Clearly his forward progress was stopped and he was being pulled backwards. Whistle blows right when the ball is being yanked out, which would indicate that the ref saw the progress stopped before the ball was yanked...

WORLDCHAMPS
01-24-2012, 07:43 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


Would you like some cheese with your whine?

ErnieReese
01-24-2012, 07:45 AM
Firstly, it's funny that if it had been a fumble, it would have been because of the skill of the Niners. However, when J. Will caused Kyle Willimas to fumble, it was luck.

Secondly, refs, I believe, blow the whistle when they think the RB is fully stopped or has no chance of advancing with a lot of bodies on him already.

Thirdly, Giants and Giants' fans have nothing to apologize for even if it were a bad call by the refs. How many have we had to endure? Also, what about Patrick Willis' hold on Jake Ballard in the first game?

When a team loses, fans will grasp at anything to justify their team's loss. And the fact that there is always something to grasp on to for every game, as there are mistakes and blown calls almost every game, doesn't exactly prove that approach to justifying a team's loss is at all valid.

Mental toughness and discipline was why they turned the ball over. If it were such a worry, put in Crabtree or someone else to field the kick or punt. Certainly the WRs didn't exactly do much the entire game and could have used some action.

Sarcasman
01-24-2012, 07:50 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


It could go either way.

Every team has had a few calls they get a and a few calls tat go against them in each game. On a larger level, each team also has a few big game impacting calls - both positive and negative to their fortunes - over the length of the entire season.

The 49ers had some for sure. This call might be considered - based on your view - one for the Giants.

What's your point?

Sarcasman
01-24-2012, 07:52 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.
still pretending to be a Giants fan? Nothing better to do w/your time? I am true blue my dude.* A blind man can see the best teams dont win in the nfl , the fix has always been on.



But enough about the Patriots......

buddy33
01-24-2012, 07:59 AM
That was the easiest call the refs had to make.

Drez
01-24-2012, 08:05 AM
http://wtftastic.routedtechnologies.com/files/Images/Design/Motivation/Waaaambulance.jpg

Drez
01-24-2012, 08:09 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.
still pretending to be a Giants fan? Nothing better to do w/your time? I am true blue my dude. A blind man can see the best teams dont win in the nfl , the fix has always been on.
But enough about the Patriots......</P>


Seriously. To even hint that the refs have been on the Giants side should be the first sign of some kind of significant brain trauma or some other form of brain damage.</P>

Drez
01-24-2012, 08:10 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.
It could go either way. Every team has had a few calls they get a and a few calls tat go against them in each game. On a larger level, each team also has a few big game impacting calls - both positive and negative to their fortunes - over the length of the entire season. The 49ers had some for sure. This call might be considered - based on your view - one for the Giants. What's your point?</P>


Yeah. How about the non-call on the cheap shot that gave Sash a concussion or the cheap shot that bloodied Bernard's lip? </P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>The refs were so unabashedly pro-Giants.</FONT></P>

miked1958
01-24-2012, 08:37 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.
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Look if any team in the NFL should stand on the soap box and complain about Refs bad calls it should be the Giants. We have be screwed on bad calls time and time again this season by plays that were obvious to both our fan base and even the other teams fan base. It happens. Get over it. For once we didnt get the WRONG call made against us in a crucial moment. </P>


Stuff like that could cost you the game. Going back to last week we had a CLEAR FUMBLE by the RULE and every one in the Country saw it expect for that TOOL who refused to admit he was wrong and overturn it. That play and then the play where OSI hit Rodgers under the shoulder pads and was flagged for a 15yarder could have been the Difference in the Game. Thank God for us there were not. We also had another one in that game at midfield where D. Ware clearly got enough yardage for the first down and the Ref marked it back a almost 1.5yards. Go back to first GB game with jenning not controlling the ball all the way through the catch in the endzone (Calvin Johnson rule) or ballards knee being clearly down inbounds in endzone. Those calls DID cost us that game.</P>


We can go on and on this year with the CALLS that were actually totally WRONG against us. I know you are hurting right now still from the sting of the loss, but that was the correct call and maybe over time you will re look at it and see for yourself</P>

TuckYou
01-24-2012, 08:50 AM
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Clearly Bradshaw isfallingbackwards. The whistle was blown BEFORE the fumble.</P>


Cry about Kyle Williams, not the fumble.</P>

SackingMyths
01-24-2012, 10:01 AM
Firstly, it's funny that if it had been a fumble, it would have been because of the skill of the Niners. However, when J. Will caused Kyle Willimas to fumble, it was luck.

Secondly, refs, I believe, blow the whistle when they think the RB is fully stopped or has no chance of advancing with a lot of bodies on him already.

Thirdly, Giants and Giants' fans have nothing to apologize for even if it were a bad call by the refs. How many have we had to endure? Also, what about Patrick Willis' hold on Jake Ballard in the first game?

When a team loses, fans will grasp at anything to justify their team's loss. And the fact that there is always something to grasp on to for every game, as there are mistakes and blown calls almost every game, doesn't exactly prove that approach to justifying a team's loss is at all valid.

Mental toughness and discipline was why they turned the ball over. If it were such a worry, put in Crabtree or someone else to field the kick or punt. Certainly the WRs didn't exactly do much the entire game and could have used some action.

+1

SackingMyths
01-24-2012, 10:05 AM
Devin Thomas' fumble recovery should've been a touchdown. We then had to earn it on a 3rd and 15. There is nothing to suggest that if this play were blown dead and the Whiners were on the receiving end, that this board wouldn't be even more flooded than it is with 9ers fans' tears.

And the Vernon Davis, almost stepped out of bounds TD, was yet ANOTHER example of how close calls are. I think it was ruled correctly, though I have no doubt in my mind that if that was Nicks doing the exact thing, you guys would be saying how we got lucky and he was out of bounds.

Such hypocrites. Don't you realize how dumb and classless you're making both yourselves and your fanbase look? Guess not.

Providence
01-24-2012, 10:06 AM
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G-Man67
01-24-2012, 10:06 AM
his forward progress was stopped, but i also understand SFs position, b/c the forward progress rule is not applied consistently



having said that, they still had many opportunities to beat us and did nothing ... if the roles were reversed, sure we would be talking about that play, but we would also be trashing our O and our playcalling and anquishing over a missed opportunity



they need to look in the mirror and realize they simply did not do enough to win the game

GmenFan1980
01-24-2012, 10:08 AM
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what are you trying to say? lol :P

galaxy10
01-24-2012, 10:09 AM
What you SF morons don't get is the rule is in place to prevent exactly what you think should have been allowed to happen. It was easy to see that it was the correct call and just as easy to see your bitterness. And I'm loving it, keep up the stupidity.


This call was right. Bradshaw said that he heard the whistle and was not even concerned about it being a fumble. The guy is just a sore loser.

Hooligans
01-24-2012, 10:11 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


Nobody cares about your thread as it is the desperate whining of a limp-wristed, San Fran Fan. Have another wine cooler and slice of quiche Skippy! Fact is, the 49ers lost and the Giants won.....perhaps if the Niners had a REAL QB and some other receivers besides Vernon Davis the story would have been different.

Providence
01-24-2012, 10:23 AM
his forward progress was stopped, but i also understand SFs position, b/c the forward progress rule is not applied consistently



having said that, they still had many opportunities to beat us and did nothing ... if the roles were reversed, sure we would be talking about that play, but we would also be trashing our O and our playcalling and anquishing over a missed opportunity



they need to look in the mirror and realize they simply did not do enough to win the game

Holding rules aren't applied consistently, pass interference calls aren't applied consistently, roughing the passer calls aren't applied consistently, etc., etc.

Humans are judging the game and humans are inconsistent. If 9er can't deal with the occassional inconsistencies in the application of the rules then football is not the sport for them. They should stick to darts, and bowling; rules are much clearer in those sports.

DragonSoul
01-24-2012, 10:29 AM
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what are you trying to say? lol :PI think I missed your point.

G-Man67
01-24-2012, 10:29 AM
Holding rules aren't applied consistently, pass interference calls aren't applied consistently, roughing the passer calls aren't applied consistently, etc., etc.

Humans are judging the game and humans are inconsistent. If 9er can't deal with the occassional inconsistencies in the application of the rules then football is not the sport for them. They should stick to darts, and bowling; rules are much clearer in those sports.

very true, it seems like every defensive player that loses his balance and goes down while being blocked draws a holding on us while you can consistently see JPP being literally grabbed by the jersey and nothing ... it's an imperfect game, but is there anything better than football !!!!, well any 2 things better !!!

YATittle1962
01-24-2012, 10:37 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


remember Mariuccis response to the media about what should have been a pass interference call in Jan. 2003?

that would be my response to you.......even though this was the correct call and that one was legitimately blown

swordfish
01-24-2012, 11:51 AM
You are still here, go home already, your team has cleaned out its locker room, game OVER. and some breaking news to you, the side judge blew the whistle way before Bradshaw got stripped of the ball, now would you like some cheese with that wine.

JJC7301
01-24-2012, 12:01 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.
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The whistle was blown basically simultaneously as the fumble, but it doesn't matter because he was in the grasp of the opposing players, he was going down and backwards, and forward progress had been stopped, so it wouldn't matter if the whistle had actually been a second late -- the play is done according to the rules.</P>


I understand that it hurts, but I personally wouldn't have taken it so hard because the rule is the rule -- they didn't just make it up on the field or blow the call. </P>


And personally, I'm a big fan of the rule because otherwise all of our defenses are just going to be standing up offensive players until they knock the ball out.</P>

bflo23
01-24-2012, 12:23 PM
When 3 defenders are holding up Bradshaw and pushing him back 2 or 3 yards and whistle before the fumble, the play is definitely dead.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 3 DEFENDERS WRAPPING HIM UP AND MOVING BRADSHAW BACK 2 OR 3 YARDS!

That is forward progress and Bradshaw was clearly going backwards and going down. Bradshaw can break 1 tackle but not 3 defenders wrapping him up.

scf424
01-24-2012, 12:28 PM
Gotta love these bitter Niner fans making posts like this and then not replying. Forward progress was clearly stopped, Bradshaw was prevented from being down by contact, it's the right call.

Deep down they know it's the right call, their team just fell a little short Sunday.

Not our problem. We're in the god damn Super Bowl.

CDN_G-FAN
01-24-2012, 12:38 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.
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Not that it matters, but i don't think the audio of that clip is correct.</P>


i watched and rewatched that so-called fumble the night of the game.</P>


buck, aikman, and pereira all agreed during the actual broadcast that the fumble occured after the whistle, and periera commented on the fact that the whistle came after multiple defenders had stopped forward progress.</P>


the audio isn't synched up on that clip.</P>


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Delicreep
01-24-2012, 12:45 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


Of course this thread will be big--the whole world loves it when some insane fan replays a loss, carefully editing it so they get the outcome the desperately want.

Wait..not loves...the whole world laughs at.

Still, I do think it will be a popular thread.

CDN_G-FAN
01-24-2012, 12:51 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.
Of course this thread will be big--the whole world loves it when some insane fan replays a loss, carefully editing it so they get the outcome the desperately want. Wait..not loves...the whole world laughs at. Still, I do think it will be a popular thread.</P>


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MikeSherrard
01-24-2012, 01:00 PM
They would have gotten 3 points and there would be 1 minute for the giants and no time outs.

Eli would have gotten them down the field for a field goal to tie it.

It would have went to OT anyway!

TroyArcher
01-24-2012, 01:05 PM
They would have gotten 3 points and there would be 1 minute for the giants and no time outs.

Eli would have gotten them down the field for a field goal to tie it.

It would have went to OT anyway!
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Woulda, coulda, shoulda</P>

ikebibby91
01-24-2012, 01:13 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


I call BS, the whistle blew and the refs could see that his forward progress had stopped. Notice how you never talked about his forward progress?

Ruttiger711
01-24-2012, 01:13 PM
It was definitely a quick whistle by the ref (not saying it was too quick)</P>


Bradshaw had a run right before Rio's touchdown - he had 2 or 3 defenders on him and the INSTANT he stopped going forward, the refs blew it dead... just like on the non-fumble...</P>


If the refs were anything, they were consistent with their judgement on forward progress this game. </P>

rebelfan1966
01-24-2012, 02:47 PM
The refs got the call 100% correct. His fwd progress had been stopped and he was being pushed back when the whistle sounded. The fumble occured a split second after the sound of the whistle. </P>


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G-Man67
01-24-2012, 02:55 PM
i asked the mythbusters to do an experiment asking people to blow a whistle when they see something



the results were that 3 to 4/10s of a second elapse between the time a person sees something and the time the brain processes it and the whistle is blown



ok, it was me and my drunken buddies, but still ... you do have to account for that time ... making it clear that the whistling process started, at least, 3/10s of a second before the audible whistling and well WE WIN !!!!! :)

Sarcasman
01-24-2012, 09:07 PM
It is well known afc and nfc best teams are not in and that is the flaw of the nfl playoff system


Poor coaching in big spots loses you big games. Ask the Harbaughs about that.

Or Andy Reid or Norv Turner or Wade Philips.

They're all experts in the subject.

THE_New_York_Giants
01-24-2012, 09:09 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.

Bummer... Enjoy your wine while watching the Giants in the Superbowl.

BlueSanta
01-24-2012, 09:15 PM
When Troy Aikman, who HATES the giants, says it was the right call....well....do I need to say more?

gfl21213
01-24-2012, 09:15 PM
oh yea
after blown no pass interference call

BigBlue D
01-24-2012, 09:20 PM
No fumble. Foreword movement stopped, end of story. WE ARE IN THE SUPERBOWL!!!!!

pj18
01-24-2012, 09:26 PM
49ers would have scored their usual field goal, Giants would have gotten the ball back with just enough time for Eli to throw another 4th quarter TD pass while playing from behind, and they would have lost in regulation rather than OT. That's just what he does. In essence, you 49er fans should be happy it wasn't called a fumble so you got to play longer.

Bias aside, that's honestly what I feel would have happened. The way this season has gone I don't see how it wouldn't have ended that way.

jomo
01-24-2012, 09:29 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.
This one is going to haunt you for a lifetime isn't it? That is reward enough for the rest of us. [:D]

THE_New_York_Giants
01-24-2012, 09:30 PM
MEGA BUMMER

nycisgreat
01-24-2012, 09:42 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


&gt;player wrapped up by numerous players
&gt;player no longer advancing ball
&gt;player being pulled to ground backward

Read an NFL rule book.

No only that. But he was pushed back two yards from where forward progress ended. How should a play like that should last. If that was the case, no team wouldn't let anyone fall to the ground so they could strip the ball.

vcruz2013
01-24-2012, 09:53 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


>player wrapped up by numerous players
>player no longer advancing ball
>player being pulled to ground backward

Read an NFL rule book.

No only that. But he was pushed back two yards from where forward progress ended. How should a play like that should last. If that was the case, no team wouldn't let anyone fall to the ground so they could strip the ball.


San Fran logic :-/

look@dafilm
01-25-2012, 12:08 AM
Bummer :/

Lol, good one. :)

itdiestoday
01-25-2012, 12:19 AM
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-playoffs/09000d5d8263fe84/Bradshaw-s-controversial-near-fumble

Just saying, the whistle was blown after the fumble. He broke one tackle, and then as two people came in and one forcing the fumble (Bowman) the refs decided it was dead and blew the whistle after. This all happened over the course of about 1 second. No way was this a dead ball, he had just barely started to get pushed by Bowman and Brock and he fumbled.

The refs blew the call when the Giants played the 49ers in the 02 WC round, but if that's a blown call then what's this? Just sayin, that's on the 17 yard line too with only just over 2:00 left.

I'm sure this thread will go over big.


i have no sympathy for fans that cheer and boo during a the national anthem... now go prepare for the draft and stop watching old replays.

look@dafilm
01-25-2012, 05:15 AM
chop block on Willis on that play too

jparmer
01-25-2012, 05:43 AM
Let it go man. U got a long offseason, don't spend all of your bitterness in one week. Besides, we've heard all about u and how even your own board members have called u out for being wrong.

TheEnigma
01-25-2012, 06:02 AM
http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss343/HandsumMuscle/1272964790_glenn-beck-crying.gif

Now you're reduced to crying about penalties? Do you realize how many holds EVERY team gets away with during the season?

It's amazing how far people will go to justify that their team didn't get beat and that it was factors outside of the simple truth.

When we got beat by the Eagles last year in the infamous Miracle at the Meadowlands 2.0, we were focusing on what our team failed to execute on and not what the refs did or didn't do.

jacob622
01-25-2012, 06:05 AM
ya !!! i like this game too much as its one of the my favorite sports!!!!!

tikiandphil
01-25-2012, 06:12 AM
did not like the call myself. The nfl seems to want Eli to succeed ,I will enjoy the free ride .Call it lucky whatever it may be.


Yeah, the NFL wanted to have Eli get hit 20 times as well and they also knew your punt returner was a spaz. Wake up boy. You lose. Period. Nothing could be worse than having the vp of refs ask for forgiveness for making a bad call like they did after the non interference call against the giants.

easterbeast
01-25-2012, 08:02 AM
yeah really, ....9er fans dont talk about that non-interference call too much do they?