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juice33s
12-04-2011, 10:31 AM
I haven't seen a game all season (Just got back from Marine Corps boot camp), but I'm shocked at how bad our defense ranks statistically (28th in yards, 27th in points).

Whats been the problem? IMO theres wayyyy too much talent on that unit to be performing the way they are.

ny06
12-04-2011, 10:34 AM
It could be a few reasons.</P>


Injuries, poor scheme, lack of execution...</P>


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juice33s
12-04-2011, 10:42 AM
It could be a few reasons.</p>


Injuries, poor scheme, lack of execution...</p>


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Poor Scheme? Has fewell been playing his soft zone bend but don't break defense?...Do you think his days are numbered?

scf424
12-04-2011, 10:43 AM
D-Line is getting inconsistent pressure.

If they don't get there, we look bad. If they do, we look great.

ny06
12-04-2011, 10:48 AM
It could be a few reasons.</P>


Injuries, poor scheme, lack of execution...</P>


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Poor Scheme? Has fewell been playing his soft zone bend but don't break defense?...Do you think his days are numbered?
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The bend but don't break just is not cutting it. </P>


His 3 man rush is something that needs to be thrown out the window. </P>


But not all blame should be on Fewell, the players on defense should get a brunt of it. </P>


Losing Boley in the 49er game seemed to have been a huge loss for our defense, he made the calls on the defense, and was playing all-pro football untill the injury. </P>


Our defensive line is not getting the pressure, and Fewell is hesitant to bring the blitz for the reason of the secondary woes. </P>


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juice33s
12-04-2011, 10:49 AM
D-Line is getting inconsistent pressure.

If they don't get there, we look bad. If they do, we look great.
Seems like that been the case since 2008....You'd think the coaches would've figured that out by now. IMO its time for a new regime, Late season flame outs have sadly become the Giants MO

juice33s
12-04-2011, 10:52 AM
It could be a few reasons.</p>


Injuries, poor scheme, lack of execution...</p>


</p>



Poor Scheme? Has fewell been playing his soft zone bend but don't break defense?...Do you think his days are numbered?
</p>


The bend but don't break just is not cutting it. </p>


His 3 man rush is something that needs to be thrown out the window. </p>


But not all blame should be on Fewell, the players on defense should get a brunt of it. </p>


Losing Boley in the 49er game seemed to have been a huge loss for our defense, he made the calls on the defense, and was playing all-pro football untill the injury. </p>


Our defensive line is not getting the pressure, and<font size="5"> Fewell is hesitant to bring the blitz for the reason of the secondary woes. </font></p>


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Whose been struggling mainly in the secondary? has anyone been specifically targeted by opposing QB's?

buddy33
12-04-2011, 11:16 AM
Lost 3 CB's for the year in pre season, lost Prince until just two weeks ago because of a broken foot in his 1st or 2nd practice, lost Austin in pre season, lost Goff pre season, Osi is a 1 trick pony, Tuck has lost the heart to play this year or he is more injured than we know, there is a reason why Grant was still available, Kiwi is a DE playing LB, and the NFL is designed to make it more offensive friendly.

Joe_morris
12-04-2011, 11:18 AM
Ross has been getting beat. Grant seems to getting ROASTED routinely. Webster is solid in coverage, but has missed some very important tackles that would have gotten the defense off the field.

The tackling for the Giants has not been great at all. These dudes need to re-visit fundamentals. Teams using Max protect against the G-Men.

I know people don't like Fewell's schemes, but our "D" was getting burned in man quite a bite last week. These guys couldn't do anything right. So what is Fewell supposed to do?Just too many injuries, IMHO.

Redeyejedi
12-04-2011, 11:23 AM
The Front 4 can not get pressure,Teams protect with 6and Fewell does not bring extra bodies.Are Secondary and LB's are depleted they cant cover for 5 seconds and passesget completed</P>

juice33s
12-04-2011, 11:26 AM
<font size="5">The Front 4 can not get pressure,Teams protect with 6and Fewell does not bring extra bodies</font>.Are Secondary and LB's are depleted they cant cover for 5 seconds and passesget completed</p>
Seems to have been the case since 2008....Strangely enough, I haven't seen a game this season, yet I feel like I haven't missed a thing because its the same story every year

ELI_Iz_God
12-04-2011, 11:45 AM
I haven't seen a game all season (Just got back from Marine Corps boot camp), but I'm shocked at how bad our defense ranks statistically (28th in yards, 27th in points).

Whats been the* problem? IMO theres wayyyy too much talent on that unit to be performing the way they are.




It's actually pretty simple. The players do not respect this coaching staff. Anyone that is halfway decent at reading people can see this. This effects their focus which affects their performance which translates to "Why is our Defense sucking?"

juice33s
12-04-2011, 11:48 AM
I haven't seen a game all season (Just got back from Marine Corps boot camp), but I'm shocked at how bad our defense ranks statistically (28th in yards, 27th in points).

Whats been the problem? IMO theres wayyyy too much talent on that unit to be performing the way they are.




It's actually pretty simple. The players do not respect this coaching staff. Anyone that is halfway decent at reading people can see this. This effects their focus which affects their performance which translates to "Why is our Defense sucking?"
There does seem to be a pretty obvious pattern of the players tuning out Coughlin every year around mid season

bigjeep
12-04-2011, 11:48 AM
Maybe because they are over-rated!

juice33s
12-04-2011, 11:54 AM
Maybe because they are over-rated!

Over rated or not, this unit has seen a large drop off in their play
2010- 7th in total defense
2009- 13th
2008- 5th
2007-7th

to this season 28th

GMENAGAIN
12-04-2011, 12:00 PM
It could be a few reasons.</P>


Injuries, poor scheme, lack of execution...</P>


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And sprinkle in very little talent at the LB position and a very overrated secondary . . . . .

juice33s
12-04-2011, 12:12 PM
It could be a few reasons.</p>


Injuries, poor scheme, lack of execution...</p>


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And sprinkle in very little talent at the LB position and a very overrated secondary . . . . .
The TT injury was huge, the guy was quickly turning in to the heart and soul of the defense....As for the talent level at LB, hopefully the extra reps for Williams, Jones and herz will pay of in future seasons to come.....Although it seems pretty likely at this point that we'll spend a first on either Kuechly or Burfict

JMFP2
12-04-2011, 12:30 PM
The Front 4 can not get pressure,Teams protect with 6and Fewell does not bring extra bodies.Are Secondary and LB's are depleted they cant cover for 5 seconds and passesget completed</P>


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This right here.</P>


This defense is predicated on the DE's making plays.</P>


Defense plays 2 LBs and Deon Grant.....so we are getting murdered in the running game and over the middle of the field.</P>


And whether it's the scheme or his body, KP is not an impact player...he's okay. Rolle is fine. Webster is good. Prince is an incomplete. Ross is better than alot of people give him credit for...he'd look alot better in a press coverage scheme with a pass rush, that's for sure.</P>