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Killa4luv
01-26-2012, 10:04 AM
Offensive Line - We've got a franchise QB who's at the peak of his powers, we need to protect him. We've got a core of recievers who are fast and strong, and it seems Eli can turn any marginal offensive player into a weapon, but that only happens if he is protected. This has to be our top priority and there are many highly rated OL prospects in this draft.

IN addition, this will extend the life of our 2 backs. I think we should draft a back in later rounds, but a better OL makes Bradshaw and Jacobs better and extends their careers as well. We've gotta get this done.

LB
RB

NYFan221
01-26-2012, 10:15 AM
in all honesty, i think were good at lb. as long as boley comes back, kiwi keeps killin it, and goff comes back in similar form to last season. then we got williams jones and paysinger backin them up. not the best core, but pretty solid.

I think we should go

OL
CB
RB

CB just because websters solid, TT is a question mark coming back, Prince barely sees the field, and ross is ross (I want to see him do good so bad), but just almost as insurance, in case we lose TT, prince doesnt pan out, and ross doesnt improve

bLuereverie
01-26-2012, 10:52 AM
LT
G
C
G
RT

MLB
TE

Raptor22
01-26-2012, 12:21 PM
Talent
Talent
Talent
Talent

Before this season started, we were thin at LB, but LOADED at CB and DE... Then Tuck gets mauled by the injury bug, Osi needs additional surgery, and Clint Sintim goes down forcing Kiwi to stay at LB, and we're left with Tolly and JPP.

at CB, we were stacked and then we lose Johnson, Prince, TT24, Weatherspoon, Coe, sign and lose Tryon... and I might be forgetting some.

At LB, we lose Goff, and Sintim, but then Boley and Kiwi play better than we could have hoped, Herz steps up and looks good, Blackburn comes back and plays great, and Williams looks like an absolute stud.

My point being that there's absolutely NO way to tell what a team's needs are, or are going to be. The only way to combat that is to add as much talent as you can, regardless of position.

slipknottin
01-26-2012, 12:56 PM
i dont think there is a single position that they shouldnt be looking at, expect punter.

CruzSoldier
01-26-2012, 12:58 PM
I really would like them to address LB and OL in free agency.
I also would like for them to add a true pass catching TE or a RB especially if Lamar Miller is there which I doubt he would be because the Bengals need a running back and i'm pretty sure they will take him with one of there picks.
Oh yes and Baas was a bad free agent signing, Boothe was way better.

myles2424
01-26-2012, 01:44 PM
in all honesty, i think were good at lb. as long as boley comes back, kiwi keeps killin it, and goff comes back in similar form to last season. then we got williams jones and paysinger backin them up. not the best core, but pretty solid.

I think we should go

OL
CB
RB

CB just because websters solid, TT is a question mark coming back, Prince barely sees the field, and ross is ross (I want to see him do good so bad), but just almost as insurance, in case we lose TT, prince doesnt pan out, and ross doesnt improve
how are we good at LB? Can we compare our LBs to anyother position on our team talent wise? No matter how you cut it, LB is our probaly our weakest area on the team...

slipknottin
01-26-2012, 01:46 PM
I really would like them to address LB and OL in free agency.

I think bringing in anyone in FA other than vet min guys and backups is wishful thinking.

I posted the list yesterday of all the FAs the giants have, pretty much every backup at every position is a FA.

bLuereverie
01-26-2012, 02:20 PM
If Thomas is resigned and healthy and Grant retires/leaves, do the Giants pursue that versatile third safety they were hoping for in Chad Jones?

NYFan221
01-26-2012, 04:52 PM
how are we good at LB? Can we compare our LBs to anyother position on our team talent wise? No matter how you cut it, LB is our probaly our weakest area on the team...

were really not bad there, we have 4 rookies who show some promise, and goff coming back next year, boley and kiwi playing great... and sintim lol.

idk when whose contracts are up, but if we go into next season with the same core id be happy.

tdawg1413
01-26-2012, 04:55 PM
how are we good at LB? Can we compare our LBs to anyother position on our team talent wise? No matter how you cut it, LB is our probaly our weakest area on the team...

were really not bad there, we have 4 rookies who show some promise, and goff coming back next year, boley and kiwi playing great... and sintim lol.

idk when whose contracts are up, but if we go into next season with the same core id be happy.


Agreed, but if a stud is available like say Hightower, we may jump on it. I think our biggest need is youth on the OL. Guard or Tackle.

BlueSanta
01-26-2012, 06:52 PM
OL
RB
DB
TE

Those are the 4 areas I'd like to most see us address. I think we cant leave it all to the draft either. Some of it has to be done during free agency.

LondonGman
01-26-2012, 07:39 PM
This.

The vast majority of the best year in year out teams in the NFL address talent rather than pure need through the draft. Spending drafts picks - particularly rounds 1 - 3 - on the guys who are most likely to make it as long term pros is by far the best way of building a team, cost effectively.

In terms of areas I would like to see players drafted with an eye on - where we will need starters/quality back ups in a year or two (and given who we will lose in free agency this year and maybe next) - are in no particular order:

OT
QB
RB
TE
WR
DE
DB

As an aside, I'm not sure of the status of the draft pick from the Rosenfels/Reynaud trade in '10. Do we lose one of our seven picks still from this?

heavyhitter
01-26-2012, 08:12 PM
OL
RB
DB
TE

Those are the 4 areas I'd like to most see us address. I think we cant leave it all to the draft either. Some of it has to be done during free agency.


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Gmenfan87
01-27-2012, 12:55 AM
Talent
Talent
Talent
Talent

Before this season started, we were thin at LB, but LOADED at CB and DE... Then Tuck gets mauled by the injury bug, Osi needs additional surgery, and Clint Sintim goes down forcing Kiwi to stay at LB, and we're left with Tolly and JPP.

at CB, we were stacked and then we lose Johnson, Prince, TT24, Weatherspoon, Coe, sign and lose Tryon... and I might be forgetting some.

At LB, we lose Goff, and Sintim, but then Boley and Kiwi play better than we could have hoped, Herz steps up and looks good, Blackburn comes back and plays great, and Williams looks like an absolute stud.

My point being that there's absolutely NO way to tell what a team's needs are, or are going to be. The only way to combat that is to add as much talent as you can, regardless of position.


After seeing how well JPP has turned out it is hard to argue. You also make good points about injuries. I do think we need to go OL in the first unless there is a talent that just can't be passed up.

BlueSanta
01-27-2012, 11:10 AM
Talent
Talent
Talent
Talent

Before this season started, we were thin at LB, but LOADED at CB and DE... Then Tuck gets mauled by the injury bug, Osi needs additional surgery, and Clint Sintim goes down forcing Kiwi to stay at LB, and we're left with Tolly and JPP.

at CB, we were stacked and then we lose Johnson, Prince, TT24, Weatherspoon, Coe, sign and lose Tryon... and I might be forgetting some.

At LB, we lose Goff, and Sintim, but then Boley and Kiwi play better than we could have hoped, Herz steps up and looks good, Blackburn comes back and plays great, and Williams looks like an absolute stud.

My point being that there's absolutely NO way to tell what a team's needs are, or are going to be. The only way to combat that is to add as much talent as you can, regardless of position.


I think thats a fair answer if he asked about what we will draft. BPA is weighted heavily in drafts, especially for us.

But he asked what needs we have. Or to rephrase, "what positions do we need to upgrade talent?"

It is a fair question to ask and it cannot be answered by saying "BPA" or "Talent."

We definitely have positions that lact depth and talent compared to other positions.

I feel the most pronouced of those are

OT - Talent is old and on decline. Not much youth in the wings at tackle, just Brewer.

RB - BJ is due $4.5 mil next year. He is likely gone. We lack depth and talent being AB.

DB - Grant is old, may retire. Ross is FA. TT is a FA and coming off 2 knee surgeries. We lack
depth. A couple other guys coming off knee injuries too.

TE - Only 1 TE on the roster right now is signed next year(Beckum) and he isnt really a TE at all. Ballard was better than expected but even if he resigns we could still uprgade the position or get depth.

Raptor22
01-27-2012, 11:57 AM
Talent
Talent
Talent
Talent

Before this season started, we were thin at LB, but LOADED at CB and DE... Then Tuck gets mauled by the injury bug, Osi needs additional surgery, and Clint Sintim goes down forcing Kiwi to stay at LB, and we're left with Tolly and JPP.

at CB, we were stacked and then we lose Johnson, Prince, TT24, Weatherspoon, Coe, sign and lose Tryon... and I might be forgetting some.

At LB, we lose Goff, and Sintim, but then Boley and Kiwi play better than we could have hoped, Herz steps up and looks good, Blackburn comes back and plays great, and Williams looks like an absolute stud.

My point being that there's absolutely NO way to tell what a team's needs are, or are going to be. The only way to combat that is to add as much talent as you can, regardless of position.


I think thats a fair answer if he asked about what we will draft. BPA is weighted heavily in drafts, especially for us.

But he asked what needs we have. Or to rephrase, "what positions do we need to upgrade talent?"

It is a fair question to ask and it cannot be answered by saying "BPA" or "Talent."

We definitely have positions that lact depth and talent compared to other positions.

I feel the most pronouced of those are

OT - Talent is old and on decline. Not much youth in the wings at tackle, just Brewer.

RB - BJ is due $4.5 mil next year. He is likely gone. We lack depth and talent being AB.

DB - Grant is old, may retire. Ross is FA. TT is a FA and coming off 2 knee surgeries. We lack
depth. A couple other guys coming off knee injuries too.

TE - Only 1 TE on the roster right now is signed next year(Beckum) and he isnt really a TE at all. Ballard was better than expected but even if he resigns we could still uprgade the position or get depth.






I stand by my answer.

The number 1 need of any NFL team is talent, regardless of position, because you cannot predict the fortunes of a season. BPA is the strategy that addresses that need. What looks like a need now may not be, and what looks like a strength can all too easily become a weakness.

Newman80
01-27-2012, 12:26 PM
I think OL,DE, DB alway go fast in the first round. So Ol and DB are my need pick in round one. Looking at the last few drafts good MLB's have come out of the second round. RB talent can be found in late rounds along with TE. We seem to have a nac for finding good players out of small schools in the late rounds. I think whatever Reese does will be the best for the team. I didnt like the JPP pick. guess I was very wrong.

BlueSanta
01-27-2012, 12:53 PM
Talent
Talent
Talent
Talent

Before this season started, we were thin at LB, but LOADED at CB and DE... Then Tuck gets mauled by the injury bug, Osi needs additional surgery, and Clint Sintim goes down forcing Kiwi to stay at LB, and we're left with Tolly and JPP.

at CB, we were stacked and then we lose Johnson, Prince, TT24, Weatherspoon, Coe, sign and lose Tryon... and I might be forgetting some.

At LB, we lose Goff, and Sintim, but then Boley and Kiwi play better than we could have hoped, Herz steps up and looks good, Blackburn comes back and plays great, and Williams looks like an absolute stud.

My point being that there's absolutely NO way to tell what a team's needs are, or are going to be. The only way to combat that is to add as much talent as you can, regardless of position.


I think thats a fair answer if he asked about what we will draft. BPA is weighted heavily in drafts, especially for us.

But he asked what needs we have. Or to rephrase, "what positions do we need to upgrade talent?"

It is a fair question to ask and it cannot be answered by saying "BPA" or "Talent."

We definitely have positions that lact depth and talent compared to other positions.

I feel the most pronouced of those are

OT - Talent is old and on decline. Not much youth in the wings at tackle, just Brewer.

RB - BJ is due $4.5 mil next year. He is likely gone. We lack depth and talent being AB.

DB - Grant is old, may retire. Ross is FA. TT is a FA and coming off 2 knee surgeries. We lack
depth. A couple other guys coming off knee injuries too.

TE - Only 1 TE on the roster right now is signed next year(Beckum) and he isnt really a TE at all. Ballard was better than expected but even if he resigns we could still uprgade the position or get depth.






I stand by my answer.

The number 1 need of any NFL team is talent, regardless of position, because you cannot predict the fortunes of a season. BPA is the strategy that addresses that need. What looks like a need now may not be, and what looks like a strength can all too easily become a weakness.




You missed my point....

But ok w/e. Lets go into next year with 1 TE who plays wr because we found 6 talented backup qbs and signed them all.

Need is a part of every offseason, even if just a part. The OP asked what needs we have, you didnt answer.

What positions do we lack talent? You choose not to answer is your answer.

Raptor22
01-27-2012, 01:29 PM
Talent
Talent
Talent
Talent

Before this season started, we were thin at LB, but LOADED at CB and DE... Then Tuck gets mauled by the injury bug, Osi needs additional surgery, and Clint Sintim goes down forcing Kiwi to stay at LB, and we're left with Tolly and JPP.

at CB, we were stacked and then we lose Johnson, Prince, TT24, Weatherspoon, Coe, sign and lose Tryon... and I might be forgetting some.

At LB, we lose Goff, and Sintim, but then Boley and Kiwi play better than we could have hoped, Herz steps up and looks good, Blackburn comes back and plays great, and Williams looks like an absolute stud.

My point being that there's absolutely NO way to tell what a team's needs are, or are going to be. The only way to combat that is to add as much talent as you can, regardless of position.


I think thats a fair answer if he asked about what we will draft. BPA is weighted heavily in drafts, especially for us.

But he asked what needs we have. Or to rephrase, "what positions do we need to upgrade talent?"

It is a fair question to ask and it cannot be answered by saying "BPA" or "Talent."

We definitely have positions that lact depth and talent compared to other positions.

I feel the most pronouced of those are

OT - Talent is old and on decline. Not much youth in the wings at tackle, just Brewer.

RB - BJ is due $4.5 mil next year. He is likely gone. We lack depth and talent being AB.

DB - Grant is old, may retire. Ross is FA. TT is a FA and coming off 2 knee surgeries. We lack
depth. A couple other guys coming off knee injuries too.

TE - Only 1 TE on the roster right now is signed next year(Beckum) and he isnt really a TE at all. Ballard was better than expected but even if he resigns we could still uprgade the position or get depth.






I stand by my answer.

The number 1 need of any NFL team is talent, regardless of position, because you cannot predict the fortunes of a season. BPA is the strategy that addresses that need. What looks like a need now may not be, and what looks like a strength can all too easily become a weakness.




You missed my point....

But ok w/e. Lets go into next year with 1 TE who plays wr because we found 6 talented backup qbs and signed them all.

Need is a part of every offseason, even if just a part. The OP asked what needs we have, you didnt answer.

What positions do we lack talent? You choose not to answer is your answer.


I didn't miss your point, I grok it perfectly.

My view is more glass half full. Rather than say that we LACK talent, I'm saying that the purpose of the draft is to add talent rather than patch holes.


To my mind I view FA as the avenue to patch holes. Free agents can be reasonably expected to contribute in their first season (or two, depending on injury) because they're veterans and don't have to get used to the speed of the game or a jump in competition.

From there, the only real hole I see on this team (right now, because that's the only thing we can know for sure) is TE.

As I said in the topic addressing free agency, after resigning our own free agents, and doing some contract shuffling (between signing Eli, Jacobs, Diehl, and maybe some others if they're open to it, to new contracts ) I'd make an offer to Jermicheal Finely to shore up TE, and turn a weakness into a strength.

This team is not lacking in talent, and since I can't tell the future, the only need I know will exist in the future is the need for more talent.

And while you're example is an attempt to extend the argument into the ridiculous... How many QB's have the Texans and Colts lost this year? How many did they expect to lose?

BlueSanta
01-28-2012, 02:37 AM
And while you're example is an attempt to extend the argument into the ridiculous...



.Im not trying to expend any arguement because it isnt an argument for 1 reason....

Its like he asked the question "what is your favorite number?" and your answer is "The letter C"

I never said we lack talent as a team either. But clearly we have positions that have less than others. Its simple logic. Some positions lack depth(and therefor talent) and some positions are aging and therefor will someday soon need talent infusion.

You simply cannot go into the offseason with the approach of "we will go after only the highest talent players regardless of position" because then you could end up with 10 Rbs and no offfensive lineman(for example).

And by stating that TE is a problem area, you did finally answer the question put forth.... so thx.