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NYtoSanDiego
01-28-2012, 04:29 PM
when the giants won SB42 he was asking ownership to draft a taller wr because of plaxico burress.

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/50632,-1.php

now he wants to march into rooneys office and tell him what they should do.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/01/28/ben-roethlisberger-in-danger-of-speaking-out-of-turn/

who here said we should've gotten him in 04? the guy is bum who got lucky with his first SB and got lucky with his 2nd playing a cardinals team with no D.

Eli TO Shockey
01-28-2012, 04:35 PM
big ben is a top 5 QB in the nfl. he has 2 superbowl rings which he earned. No luck involved. If he wants to have a sit down with rooney and talk about the direction the offense is going, he has every right to do so. At the end of the day, the decision is made by rooney, not ben.

If not eli, i would much rather have ben than rivers.

bflo23
01-28-2012, 04:42 PM
I disagree about Big Ben being a top 5 QB. I think Eli is better than Big Ben. Did you see Big Ben in the Super Bowl vs Seattle? It was the worst performance for a winning QB as he had a 22 QB rating, threw for 100 yards and had a couple INTs.

Big Ben off the field issues is why I would never want him on my team. Constant issues with females. And he just recently paid off a woman in a settlement. I think it has to be hard for Steeler fans to root for this type of character. Keep Big Ben and Michael Vick far away from my team.

Voldamort
01-28-2012, 04:45 PM
The guy wins better than Rivers!

SweetZombieJesus
01-28-2012, 04:46 PM
big ben is a top 5 QB in the nfl. he has 2 superbowl rings which he earned. No luck involved.


We can argue about the first (since he had the worst QB rating in SB history). No doubt about the 2nd.

bledden
01-28-2012, 05:01 PM
Big Ben is definitely a top tier QB. Sure he struggled in his first super bowl, but he's gotten a lot better since then (just like eli has gotten better over time).

Ben had a heck of a yr this past yr considering his patchwork O-line.

The steelers will increasingly rely on Ben's arm to win games as the defensive stars approach retirement.

Eli TO Shockey
01-28-2012, 05:04 PM
you guys forget that its not just about your performance in the superbowl. In order to get there, you need to string together multiple wins in a row against the best teams in the NFL. Hes been in the superbowl 3 times. Granted, hes had some bad games.But 95% of the time you can count on Big Ben to deliver.

Would I have him over eli? absolutely not. But hes a very good/clutch QB with 2 superbowl rings.

bflo23
01-28-2012, 05:11 PM
Nobody isn't saying Big Ben is bad QB but I don't consider him an ELITE QB based on what i have seen and his stats. And he will always be a turd in my eyes. When you hear guys like Rivers and Big Ben talk, they are just full of themselves. Then you have all the accusations against Big Ben.

If Eli had all the accusations and paid women to keep their mouths shut, I would want Eli off the Giants team. I think Big Ben is guilty. Character matters to me. Just because a player is a good player that doesn't necessarily mean that I want him on the Giants........ Big Ben, T.O., Vick?! I don't want them on the giants. I don't like them.

BigBlue wins
01-28-2012, 05:11 PM
Rapistburger is very lucky to have what he does. I will go as far to say that his team helped him get a superbowl rings. He does play when injured, I'll give him that, but he is at best, a top 8 QB.

Eli TO Shockey
01-28-2012, 05:14 PM
Nobody isn't saying Big Ben is bad QB but I don't consider him an ELITE QB based on what i have seen and his stats. And he will always be a turd in my eyes. When you hear guys like Rivers and Big Ben talk, they are just full of themselves. Then you have all the accusations against Big Ben.

If Eli had all the accusations and paid women to keep their mouths shut, I would want Eli off the Giants team. I think Big Ben is guilty. Character matters to me. Just because a player is a good player that doesn't necessarily mean that I want him on the Giants........ Big Ben, T.O., Vick?! I don't want them on the giants. I don't like them.


After Rodgers, Brees, Brady, ELI/Peyton....its gonna be hard not put big ben next on that list...His stats and superbowl rings back that up. Call it elite, call it 2nd tier, call it whatever....hes a big time player in this league.

Eli TO Shockey
01-28-2012, 05:16 PM
Rapistburger is very lucky to have what he does. I will go as far to say that his team helped him get a superbowl rings. He does play when injured, I'll give him that, but he is at best, a top 8 QB.


winning superbowls is about having a complete team. Just ask aaron rodgers. every qb who has won a superbowl has had a very good all around team. One position doesnt win superbowls. Feel free to downplay ben as much as you want but he has proved time and time again how clutch he is.

Firenugget
01-28-2012, 05:30 PM
Whats this got to do with us? Who cares if Ben wants to talk to his boss? I'm not seeing the big deal here other than some random blogger wants to try and make it one.

miked1958
01-28-2012, 05:43 PM
I disagree about Big Ben being a top 5 QB. I think Eli is better than Big Ben. Did you see Big Ben in the Super Bowl vs Seattle? It was the worst performance for a winning QB as he had a 22 QB rating, threw for 100 yards and had a couple INTs.

Big Ben off the field issues is why I would never want him on my team. Constant issues with females. And he just recently paid off a woman in a settlement. I think it has to be hard for Steeler fans to root for this type of character. Keep Big Ben and Michael Vick far away from my team.

Agreed. It has always been said they won that SB in spite of Big Benn not because of him. Without that defense Benn loses that SB. He can thank them for his ring cause he didn't earn that one

FBomb
01-28-2012, 05:43 PM
Is Ben playing for the Pats now?</P>

BlueBlitzer
01-28-2012, 05:50 PM
Who the Hell did Ben beat ? The Seahawks ? The Cardinals ? ( And He needed a Pick Six and a Mini Hail Mary to win that one ) The first time He had to play a real NFC Champion ( Packers ) He lost.

NYtoSanDiego
01-28-2012, 05:59 PM
big ben is a top 5 QB in the nfl. he has 2 superbowl rings which he earned. No luck involved.* If he wants to have a sit down with rooney and talk about the direction the offense is going, he has every right to do so. At the end of the day, the decision is made by rooney, not ben.

If not eli, i would much rather have ben than rivers.


that's not the guy you have sit down with. its like eli going to john mara saying we need to draft OL in this years draft cause its filled with them. you talk to the GM behind closed doors not the media. the guy is lucky to be playing for the steelers and lucky to have two SB rings.

gumby742
01-28-2012, 10:13 PM
if you think Eli is elite, but Ben isn't, you're a hypocrite. Simple.

Harooni
01-29-2012, 12:56 AM
first this isnt giants football second it shines a negative light on giant fans with that topic title.

giantsfan420
01-29-2012, 01:08 AM
if you think Eli is elite, but Ben isn't, you're a hypocrite. Simple.

not true at all.

big ben is elite when he can break the pocket and extend the play. i do not think he is elite at recognizing the defense, taking 5 step drops, and getting rid of the ball in rhythm. so much of his play depends on breaking the pocket and giving his wr's more time to break off their route and get open.

thats why his size is such a huge factor for him and he can do well with a medeocre OL. he's hard to bring down, and he doesnt need a clean pocket to do well. in fact, he almost does better when the pocket collapses and he's forced to roll out.

thats just me tho. it is 100% not hypocritical to think eli is elite but ben isn't.

thats why i think the colts got pitts old OC ayers. bc luck has that same ability to be mobile not to run although he can, but to use his mobility to extend plays.

edit-thats why he was not nearly as effective a qb when he hurt his foot/ankle. he was not nearly as mobile and had to throw from the pocket. he didnt look good for much of the game vs denver and the big plays he did have came from him extending the play. i remember one play in particular he dropped back, had a clean pocket, and sailed a pass 10 yards over his wr's head for an easy and costly int.

nygfanmaybe
01-29-2012, 06:12 AM
Has anyone seen P Rivers lately? He seems to be mysteriously missing...

Marvelousmik
01-29-2012, 07:45 AM
when the giants won SB42 he was asking ownership to draft a taller wr because of plaxico burress.

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/50632,-1.php

now he wants to march into rooneys office and tell him what they should do.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/01/28/ben-roethlisberger-in-danger-of-speaking-out-of-turn/

who here said we should've gotten him in 04? the guy is bum who got lucky with his first SB and got lucky with his 2nd playing a cardinals team with no D.

how the hell do you get lucky with 2 rings?

and how is he a turd for wanting a tall receiver? holy crap everything is classless and bad to you ppl nowadays lol.

'oh no!! big ben didnt give everyone an autograph. hes a jerk!"

smh

NYtoSanDiego
01-29-2012, 05:38 PM
when the giants won SB42 he was asking ownership to draft a taller wr because of plaxico burress.

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/50632,-1.php

now he wants to march into rooneys office and tell him what they should do.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/01/28/ben-roethlisberger-in-danger-of-speaking-out-of-turn/

who here said we should've gotten him in 04? the guy is bum who got lucky with his first SB and got lucky with his 2nd playing a cardinals team with no D.

how the hell do you get lucky with 2 rings?

and how is he a turd for wanting a tall receiver? holy crap everything is classless and bad to you ppl nowadays lol.

'oh no!! big ben didnt give everyone an autograph. hes a jerk!"

smh


did you watch SB40? 9/21 for 123yds and two ints. yeah... that's winning it for your team.

the guy is classless, a rapist and still a big turd.

rxc999
01-29-2012, 05:43 PM
say whatever..i would not take anyone other than Eli at this juncture of his career, that's all need to be said...GO Giants!!!!

gmen0820
01-29-2012, 05:51 PM
if you think Eli is elite, but Ben isn't, you're a hypocrite. Simple.Depending on reasoning. Prior to this year, Eli's best year, everyone's reasoning was the ring and winning games. If that is the case yes, it is hypocritical.

I mean now, Eli has put up a better year than Ben has ever put up. Does that make Eli elite and Ben not elite, no, I don't think so. Matter of fact, I think this whole elite discussion is pointless when discussed with a range of different people.

gmen0820
01-29-2012, 06:01 PM
when the giants won SB42 he was asking ownership to draft a taller wr because of plaxico burress.

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/50632,-1.php

now he wants to march into rooneys office and tell him what they should do.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/01/28/ben-roethlisberger-in-danger-of-speaking-out-of-turn/

who here said we should've gotten him in 04? the guy is bum who got lucky with his first SB and got lucky with his 2nd playing a cardinals team with no D.

how the hell do you get lucky with 2 rings?

and how is he a turd for wanting a tall receiver? holy crap everything is classless and bad to you ppl nowadays lol.

'oh no!! big ben didnt give everyone an autograph. hes a jerk!"

smh


did you watch SB40? 9/21 for 123yds and two ints. yeah... that's winning it for your team.

the guy is classless, a rapist and still a big turd.Why don't you mention the game winning drive vs the Cardinals?

Or 26 career game winning drives?

Or his 10-3 post season record?

He wins, including when it counts the most, he is probably the most clutch QB in the league and he has stats and he does it with pretty average offensive talent.

GmenFan1980
01-29-2012, 06:05 PM
when the giants won SB42 he was asking ownership to draft a taller wr because of plaxico burress.

http://www.thebackpacker.com/trailtalk/thread/50632,-1.php

now he wants to march into rooneys office and tell him what they should do.

http://nicepickcowher.com/2012/01/28/ben-roethlisberger-in-danger-of-speaking-out-of-turn/

who here said we should've gotten him in 04? the guy is bum who got lucky with his first SB and got lucky with his 2nd playing a cardinals team with no D.

how the hell do you get lucky with 2 rings?

and how is he a turd for wanting a tall receiver? holy crap everything is classless and bad to you ppl nowadays lol.

'oh no!! big ben didnt give everyone an autograph. hes a jerk!"

smh


did you watch SB40? 9/21 for 123yds and two ints. yeah... that's winning it for your team.

the guy is classless, a rapist and still a big turd.

against the seahawks, Bens defense (and to some) the refs handed him the super bowl ring. that could be considered lucky.

against the cardinals though, they won that with Ben not despite him.

and against green bay, his interceptions, along with mendenhalls fumble made them lose.

Finally, why is this a thread again?

gmen0820
01-29-2012, 06:38 PM
Who the Hell did Ben beat ? The Seahawks ? The Cardinals ? ( And He needed a Pick Six and a Mini Hail Mary to win that one ) The first time He had to play a real NFC Champion ( Packers ) He lost.Yeah and if the Steelers beat the Packers you'd be saying, "Who'd he beat? The Seahawks? Cardinals? The last seeded Packers?"

Voldamort
01-29-2012, 07:07 PM
Jim Caldwell new OC for Steelers?

gumby742
01-30-2012, 08:52 AM
if you think Eli is elite, but Ben isn't, you're a hypocrite. Simple.Depending on reasoning. Prior to this year, Eli's best year, everyone's reasoning was the ring and winning games. If that is the case yes, it is hypocritical. I mean now, Eli has put up a better year than Ben has ever put up. Does that make Eli elite and Ben not elite, no, I don't think so. Matter of fact, I think this whole elite discussion is pointless when discussed with a range of different people.</P>


Saying Eli's performance this year is better then any year Ben has ever put up is highly questionable. To take it a step further, Ben has been playing at a high level since his rookie season. Eli only recently started turning it up. Ben's being doing it better for longer.</P>


All arguments made, Ben bests Eli is practically every major category. The football related thing I can think of that Eli has and Ben doesn't is Eli's comback factor.</P>


Whether people want to say Eli is better then Ben, whatever. But I'm just pointing out that to think Eli is on a whole different playing field then Ben is rubbish.</P>

NYtoSanDiego
01-30-2012, 04:35 PM
if you think Eli is elite, but Ben isn't, you're a hypocrite. Simple.Depending on reasoning. Prior to this year, Eli's best year, everyone's reasoning was the ring and winning games. If that is the case yes, it is hypocritical. I mean now, Eli has put up a better year than Ben has ever put up. Does that make Eli elite and Ben not elite, no, I don't think so. Matter of fact, I think this whole elite discussion is pointless when discussed with a range of different people.</P>


Saying Eli's performance this year is better then any year Ben has ever put up is highly questionable.* To take it a step further, Ben has been playing at a high level since his rookie season.* Eli only recently started turning it up.* Ben's being doing it better for longer.</P>


All arguments made,* Ben bests Eli is practically every major category.* The football related thing I can think of that Eli has and Ben doesn't is Eli's comback factor.</P>


Whether people want to say Eli is better then Ben, whatever.* But I'm just pointing out that to think Eli is on a whole different playing field then Ben is rubbish.</P>

the offense he runs is nowhere near the offense the giants run. ive been saying it since mid season as to why chad ochocinco is having such a terrible season, its because of the patriots offense which is is similar to giants offense. finally on First Take this morning mangini said he doesn't know what to do in NE site adjustment offense.

never said he was rubbish as a player just a turd of a person. i said he was lucky to play for team like the steelers.

gmen0820
01-30-2012, 08:16 PM
if you think Eli is elite, but Ben isn't, you're a hypocrite. Simple.Depending on reasoning. Prior to this year, Eli's best year, everyone's reasoning was the ring and winning games. If that is the case yes, it is hypocritical. I mean now, Eli has put up a better year than Ben has ever put up. Does that make Eli elite and Ben not elite, no, I don't think so. Matter of fact, I think this whole elite discussion is pointless when discussed with a range of different people.</P>


Saying Eli's performance this year is better then any year Ben has ever put up is highly questionable.* To take it a step further, Ben has been playing at a high level since his rookie season.* Eli only recently started turning it up.* Ben's being doing it better for longer.</P>


All arguments made,* Ben bests Eli is practically every major category.* The football related thing I can think of that Eli has and Ben doesn't is Eli's comback factor.</P>


Whether people want to say Eli is better then Ben, whatever.* But I'm just pointing out that to think Eli is on a whole different playing field then Ben is rubbish.</P>As a career yes, I might agree, but Eli has been nothing short of incredible this year. Superior pocket movement, anticipation, accuracy, pocket toughness, and his ability to throw balls balls into tighter windows.

And I wouldn't agree about the comeback factor, Ben has more 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives than Eli.