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pica01
02-03-2012, 11:10 PM
Wide reciever Edelman played 27 plays as a db against the ravens,mostly against the slot guy.Ours is Cruz.The 1st thing Eli will look for on every play is if Edelman is on the field.I would think that every time he'll look there as his 1st option.Not that the Pats starting dbs from rutgers and hofstra cut numerous times aren't ripe to pic on.I don't see how the Pat's can cover our wideouts.Maybe Belichick will pull out the 91 bills defense and rush 2 or 3 and dare us to run,which we can do.The Pats have 8 sacks postseason but pressure and hits have no effect on Eli.Unlike the 91 bills,the Giants aren't 1 dimensual.And he doesn't have the 91 Giants defense.If turnovers are equal and Bill leavy isn't on the field we should beat this team.We won the turnover battle against the packers and 9ers,the highest plus turnover teams in the nfl.The Pats beat the Ravens -3 turnovers.They do that sunday they get blown out.

LvGiants
02-03-2012, 11:17 PM
I think a lot of people are underestimating this guy, Bellichick isn't stupid. He has him our there for a reason, and underestimating him could come back and haunt us.

ny06
02-03-2012, 11:31 PM
I think a lot of people are underestimating this guy, Bellichick isn't stupid. He has him our there for a reason, and underestimating him could come back and haunt us.</P>


Have you seen him play? </P>


He's a weak link in there defensive backfield. </P>


I expect the Giants to devise plays to attack him if he's on the field as a db. </P>

BigBlue1971
02-03-2012, 11:44 PM
i hope Eli does find Edelman as the weak line in their secondary to the point where Eli does beat him for 3-4 tds.</P>


turnovers are critical and always are. anything that wins this game for the Giants is ok with me. </P>


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pica01
02-03-2012, 11:45 PM
Belichick has him there because he doesn't have any better options.His starting DB's are from Rutgers and Hofstra,cut numerous times.Backups or nickel backs at best.That's Belichicks arrogance.Remember him trading his best pass rusher to the raiders for a draft pick?He thinks his system will work regardless.That 07 Pats defense was 4th ranked,even though they blew teams out and giving up yrds with leads is meaningless.This Pats defense,granted,playing much better was an embarassment most of the season.And Denver and the Ravens aren't exactly offensive juggernauts.Eli picked apart a very good 9ers defense under extreme pressure.Geez,with every post I write I can't see us losing.That really worries me.To think we're getting 3.The kiss of death.

greenca190
02-03-2012, 11:54 PM
Belichick has him there because he doesn't have any better options.His starting DB's are from Rutgers and Hofstra,cut numerous times.Backups or nickel backs at best.That's Belichicks arrogance.Remember him trading his best pass rusher to the raiders for a draft pick?He thinks his system will work regardless.That 07 Pats defense was 4th ranked,even though they blew teams out and giving up yrds with leads is meaningless.This Pats defense,granted,playing much better was an embarassment most of the season.And Denver and the Ravens aren't exactly offensive juggernauts.Eli picked apart a very good 9ers defense under extreme pressure.Geez,with every post I write I can't see us losing.That really worries me.To think we're getting 3.The kiss of death.

Devan McCourtney was never cut. He was a first round pick last year that would have been rookie of the year if it wasn't for Suh.

billsfan365
02-04-2012, 12:50 AM
Ummmm, no offense, but we (91 Bills)were not 1 dimensional... Thurman Thomas is a hall of Fame running back.

You guys one that game because your offense had two ten minute drives which kept Jim Kelly off the field practicaly the whole game.You had 41 minutes of possession to our 19.

That is what I'm scared he'll try to do in this game.

That being said,
Go Giants

bflo23
02-04-2012, 12:56 AM
Devan McCourtney was never cut. He was a first round pick last year that would have been rookie of the year if it wasn't for Suh.

McCourtney has been terrible this year and was getting torched all season.

gmen0820
02-04-2012, 12:57 AM
I doubt Edelman sees the field more then 15 times honestly.

You give Belicheck two weeks to prepare for the Giants and he comes up with Edelman on any of our guys, and I really question how smart this guy is. They will try to get pressure, and if it doesn't work, they are just gonna try to bump our receivers off our routes, but they can't take everyone out.

Manningham, and Beckum and Ballard will need to make the Patriots pay. Just from a formation standpoint, our offense dictates so much. If we go 4 wide, Spikes can't play D (liability in coverage), Edelman will have to (because they are that depleted) and the Patriots have to magically field a decent secondary.

They don't have our front four, or three, because frankly, I have no ****ing clue if they play a 34 or 43 defense to make us compromise our offense like they will have to for our defense.

pica01
02-04-2012, 01:16 AM
When i say one dimensional I mean that everything ran out of the shotgun and you didn't even want to run the ball.Not that you couldn't run,thomas was a hall of famer.It's just not what the Bill's wanted to do.It is,however,what the Giants wanted the bills to do.The Bills offense was one dimensional by choice.I'm not saying they couldn't run the ball.I'm saying they prefered to pass 75% and run off that.That was a great passing offense but you guys ran alot and thomas was great but even at 8 yards a carry that wasn't the bills offense that put 51 up against the raiders.I didn't mean one dimensional as in Nebraska or Oklahoma 70's wishbone were if you stopped it they couldn't throw it all.Like warners rams with faulk or fouts chargers with muncie and others they were about throwing it.One dimensional by choice.

Harooni
02-04-2012, 01:23 AM
the title (eli and edelman) reminds me of two men eating pastrami at a deli, for some reason.

pica01
02-04-2012, 01:34 AM
you're right,i was thinking of the jets safety they picked up but Mccourtney didn't have a good yr.He did have 7 picks i think but he gave up alot of yards.When a D gives up over 5000 passing yards i guess you can say that about all thier DBs.But I realize that the low rankings of both defenses don't reflect how they're playing now.The Giant's D however,dominated a good Falcon O,shutdown the Packers O and except for 2 davis receptions made the 9er offense disappear.noone will ever confuse denver and the ravens offense with the Giants.Point taken however.Mccourtney was a 1st round pick and had an impressive rookie yr.2nd yr-not so much.

Mohann
02-04-2012, 07:16 AM
the title (eli and edelman) reminds me of two men eating pastrami at a deli, for some reason.


I thought it was a new Israeli sitcom.

BornBrooklyn
02-04-2012, 08:18 AM
Edelman's gonna try to go for a big hit. If they can get either Jacobs or Bradshaw to truck him early, it may soften his stance a lil.

Firenugget
02-04-2012, 10:45 AM
"Eli! Eli! Look at this bagel...You tell them a shmear, they give you a smudge! Oy Vey..."

Patriot 37
02-04-2012, 11:12 AM
There has been like 4 different threads about this mythical Cruz vs. Edelman match up. It's ridiculous.

We are going to have single coverage with a Punt Returner who barely plays D vs. your best WR ? Obviously most of you watched the end of the AFCCG and saw him vs. Boldin . They were on crossing patterns in zone coverage (don't neccessarily put all the blame on Edelman only the coaches know whose fault it was)

If you look at BB's history his focus is to take anyway the inside/chain moving type: Clark and Gates get doubled ever play while Wayne and VJack don't.

One poster figured this out and started a thread about about the importance of Manningham in this game. We'll double Cruz all the time Nicks sometime and problably MM never. Basically impossible to double 3 guys.

Key match ups MM vs McCourty/Moore and can Eli have time and accurancy to hit Nicks deep because I garauntee he will be open more than once.

Sintim97
02-04-2012, 11:28 AM
I think a lot of people are underestimating this guy, Bellichick isn't stupid. He has him our there for a reason, and underestimating him could come back and haunt us.

the pats simply dont have anybody better. thats why hes out there.

Sintim97
02-04-2012, 11:30 AM
Edelman's gonna try to go for a big hit. If they can get either Jacobs or Bradshaw to truck him early, it may soften his stance a lil.

lmao exactly who is little ol edleman gonna "big hit?"

i say throw a deep one over Chung's side. he's not very rangy

Intellect
02-04-2012, 11:44 AM
I think a lot of people are underestimating this guy, Bellichick isn't stupid. He has him our there for a reason, and underestimating him could come back and haunt us.

the pats simply dont have anybody better. thats why hes out there.
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Devin McCourty is a probowler and had a historically record breaking season his rookie year. This is only an average year for many cornerbacks as far as how he has played but alot of that is due to injuries, playing a base 4-3 and having different personnel back there in the secondary. Communication and chemistry issues were really the problem, while the actual players themselves are really good. But now it looks like all of that is cleared up. And also note that Kyle Arrington has had a very good year, not only in INTs but tackles and solid coverage too. </P>

Sintim97
02-04-2012, 12:22 PM
I think a lot of people are underestimating this guy, Bellichick isn't stupid. He has him our there for a reason, and underestimating him could come back and haunt us.

the pats simply dont have anybody better. thats why hes out there.
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Devin McCourty is a probowler and had a historically record breaking season his rookie year. This is only an average year for many cornerbacks as far as how he has played but alot of that is due to injuries, playing a base 4-3 and having different personnel back there in the secondary. Communication and chemistry issues were really the problem, while the actual players themselves are really good. But now it looks like all of that is cleared up. And also note that Kyle Arrington has had a very good year, not only in INTs but tackles and solid coverage too. </p>

i mean they dont have good depth, at all. mccourty, aarington, then NOBODY. they dont have anybody better than edleman to put out there. theyre desperate. and afterall, they were 31st this year in pass defense. gave up like 400 passing yards a game

Harooni
02-04-2012, 02:40 PM
the title (eli and edelman) reminds me of two men eating pastrami at a deli, for some reason.


I thought it was a new Israeli sitcom.

lol

nycisgreat
02-04-2012, 03:51 PM
I think a lot of people are underestimating this guy, Bellichick isn't stupid. He has him our there for a reason, and underestimating him could come back and haunt us.

I totally agree. They are going to used this guy to mask their coverages throughout the game.

TroyArcher
02-04-2012, 04:41 PM
Eli will look Cruz' way often as usual but will find the open receiver. Eli is one of the most intelligent QB's in the NFL and has the knack to find the open area in the zone or the mismatch.

Sintim97
02-04-2012, 05:12 PM
Eli will look Cruz' way often as usual but will find the open receiver. Eli is one of the most intelligent QB's in the NFL and has the knack to find the open area in the zone or the mismatch.

ughh everytime i think of eli and his knack to find the open guy, i think of the final drive of that seattle game this year when ballard was WIDE open over the middle and he threw it to cruz and he lost the ball and we lost :(

how funny would it be winning the superbowl, not only beating the top 2 seeds in the nfc, a 15-1 and 13-3 team, but by beating a healthy eagles team, then getting embarrased by a battered up eagles team who didnt even have their qb (and i think maclin or jackson went out around half and the other one already wasnt playing), losing to the seahawks, and getting swept by the redskins...thats crazy

gmen0820
02-04-2012, 05:27 PM
If you look at BB's history his focus is to take anyway the inside/chain moving type: Clark and Gates get doubled ever play while Wayne and VJack don't.

Not true at all. I can clearly remember in that 2006 AFC championship game where Harrison and Wayne were taken away and then in the second half, Dallas Clark lit you guys up.

I agree that Edelman won't face Cruz, or probably play more then 10 snaps on D, but in week 9 you guys constantly doubled Cruz but you can't do that now that Nicks is back. If you want to compromise your defense so much to double Cruz and Nicks, that would be great, but you won't be able to account for Manningham and Ballard and Beckum.

Sintim97
02-04-2012, 06:50 PM
If you look at BB's history his focus is to take anyway the inside/chain moving type: Clark and Gates get doubled ever play while Wayne and VJack don't.

Not true at all. I can clearly remember in that 2006 AFC championship game where Harrison and Wayne were taken away and then in the second half, Dallas Clark lit you guys up.

I agree that Edelman won't face Cruz, or probably play more then 10 snaps on D, but in week 9 you guys constantly doubled Cruz but you can't do that now that Nicks is back. If you want to compromise your defense so much to double Cruz and Nicks, that would be great, but you won't be able to account for Manningham and Ballard and Beckum.

and bradshaw and hynoski and jacobs and even ware

gmen0820
02-04-2012, 10:42 PM
If you look at BB's history his focus is to take anyway the inside/chain moving type: Clark and Gates get doubled ever play while Wayne and VJack don't.

Not true at all. I can clearly remember in that 2006 AFC championship game where Harrison and Wayne were taken away and then in the second half, Dallas Clark lit you guys up.

I agree that Edelman won't face Cruz, or probably play more then 10 snaps on D, but in week 9 you guys constantly doubled Cruz but you can't do that now that Nicks is back. If you want to compromise your defense so much to double Cruz and Nicks, that would be great, but you won't be able to account for Manningham and Ballard and Beckum.

and bradshaw and hynoski and jacobs and even ware
I was being generous lol