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NYBlue10
02-07-2012, 12:04 AM
Mario has totally earned my respect during the playoff run, he is money & the truth, he's really a #2 playing a #3 wideout, heck on some teams he might be #1, and he's very young with an upside still, can't say the same about Osi and Ross. We are stacked at DE and T2 is coming back so Ross is expendable, T2 is a better corner also. The same can't be said about Mario if he's gone, the drop-off in talent, ability, skill, experience is huge and Eli being the passing master that he is needs #3 of his caliber to spread the field. And let's keep in mind that injuries can also happen so if we don't have Mario then we only have one legit WR to go to and that ain't going to cut it.

WE MUST KEEP MARIO.

MikeIsaGiant
02-07-2012, 12:06 AM
I think with improvement at the LB , we can move kiwi and Osi is more replaceable, at this point mario might not be

ELIteManning
02-07-2012, 12:10 AM
I respectfully disagree. Although I really do like Mario alot and will always his big superbowl play. To me he is easier to replace than Osi and Ross. While Mario was certainly a part of alot of big plays for us throughout the season he is also very responsible for alot of drops and wrongly run routes. Please do not get me wrong here I would love to be able to resign Mario but I honestly believe he is replaceable to...I know i know alot of people will say well what about his big catch yesterday. Yes it was fantastic but most good receivers should be able to make that play. To me the pass was far more impressive than the catch itself. My simple point is finding guys to produce like Osi and Ross will be more difficult than just replacing our 3rd WR. Again, I would love to keep Mario but for your subject line I have to disagree but I do understand your argument.

Giants869011
02-07-2012, 12:13 AM
I agree about Ross if TT comes back and is healthy , he's an upgrade on Ross and with Prince getting a training camp under his belt he should be much improved. But on the situation with Osi and Mario I'm at a crossroads they both played so well in the playoffs :/

ShockeyShow
02-07-2012, 12:14 AM
I agree. We have Tuck, JPP & Tolly / Webby, T2, Prince and Rolle (on occasion) in their absence. We can draft or replace in FA.

Manningham has come up big when he's needed most, and it's always great to hear the "Manning to Manningham...."

Osi I would like to keep, bc he has many great years ahead of him. Plus Jerry would throw a monster contract at him so he and Ware could Torment us.

So if we released them and renegotiated with Osi and Mario, that would be best.

Osi > Mario > Jacobs > Ross

Zaggs
02-07-2012, 12:15 AM
I'd definitely take Osi over Mario. Osi was averaging a sack a game. Seems most of the time there is miscommunication between Eli and a receiver, its Mario. I'd rather see Hixon, Barden, or Thomas get a chance to replace Mario.

MikeIsaGiant
02-07-2012, 12:16 AM
I'd definitely take Osi over Mario.* Osi was averaging a sack a game.* Seems most of the time there is miscommunication between Eli and a receiver, its Mario.* I'd rather see Hixon, Barden, or Thomas get a chance to replace Mario.



Good point i guess, but i'm hoping one of them pans out, and we have to trust Eli to work with the new receivers

Desepx
02-07-2012, 12:17 AM
I'd definitely take Osi over Mario. Osi was averaging a sack a game. Seems most of the time there is miscommunication between Eli and a receiver, its Mario. I'd rather see Hixon, Barden, or Thomas get a chance to replace Mario.

+1

If I had to make a choice, keep the D strong.

ELIteManning
02-07-2012, 12:22 AM
I agree. We have Tuck, JPP & Tolly / Webby, T2, Prince and Rolle (on occasion) in their absence. We can draft or replace in FA.

Manningham has come up big when he's needed most, and it's always great to hear the "Manning to Manningham...."

We actually do not have Tolly or T2 as of right now since they are both free agents and need to be resigned. Until that happens you can't really assume we have these guys.

Also Manningham has come through at times but he has also failed at times. Just immediately off the top of my head two big ones come to mind where he dropped go ahead/tying touchdown passes this year against the cowboys and the 49ers. Yes we were still able to recover and win the dallas game but the point is he dropped a go ahead touchdown pass without even being touched. and arguably costed us the niners game...just saying

foosball
02-07-2012, 12:22 AM
It doesn't work that way. It's about price. If some team offers Manningham 4 million a year the same way the Raiders offered Boss 4 million a year than he will be gone. Ross can be brought back on the cheap, I doubt they will have to pay him more than 750,000 a year so I think they should absolutely bring him back. As far as Osi goes he is under contract next year. If they get a decent trade offer they will trade him, if they can pay him they will pay him, ,but he's not gone yet. He's still a Giant, whether he likes it or not. And honestly, I don't think he minds being on the team, he just wants to make more money. Anyway, let the GM handle these decisions. No point on speculating. Just understand that Nicks, Cruz, and JPP will be coming up in the next few years, and the contracts JR gives out now will heavily impact the Giants ability to sign those guys.

tripleaamin9
02-07-2012, 12:30 AM
Ross would be cheaper then Manningham and we dont know the status on TT

Zaggs
02-07-2012, 12:31 AM
I agree. We have Tuck, JPP & Tolly / Webby, T2, Prince and Rolle (on occasion) in their absence. We can draft or replace in FA.

Manningham has come up big when he's needed most, and it's always great to hear the "Manning to Manningham...."

We actually do not have Tolly or T2 as of right now since they are both free agents and need to be resigned. Until that happens you can't really assume we have these guys.

Also Manningham has come through at times but he has also failed at times. Just immediately off the top of my head two big ones come to mind where he dropped go ahead/tying touchdown passes this year against the cowboys and the 49ers. Yes we were still able to recover and win the dallas game but the point is he dropped a go ahead touchdown pass without even being touched. and arguably costed us the niners game...just saying

Tolly has a better chance of bolting than T2 (5 sacks for a backup, not bad). Can't see too many teams throwing a ton of money at T2 coming off of injury.
Just look at the Super Bowl. He hangs on to a perfect pass for 38 yards, and thats all anyone wants to talk about. But earlier in the game, when he needed to give Eli a cushion, he heads for the sideline, like he always had.

NYGFaninILL
02-07-2012, 12:54 AM
I much rather have Osi. MM has zero sidelines presence. The catch was good, but how bout the 50 yard bomb that was incomplete because he didntget 2 feet in bounds with 2 yards to do it.

He's decent, but he needs a LOT of work.

NYBlue10
02-07-2012, 09:17 PM
Wow it's a bit puzzling that so many are dissing on Mario, sure he's not been perfect in regular season, but what he has shown in the playoffs with 3 TD catches and many other clutch catches tells me that he's a KEEPER without a doubt, one bad route running play does not make him a lousy WR, Wes Welker is the best slot WR and he dropping a pass doesn't make him a bad WR.

I'm fully aware that Mario won't be here if he's out of the price range of what Giants can afford, hopefully Mario sticks around for a reasonable price because I trust him as much as Nicks and Cruz, and I am not eager to go through the whole Sinorice Moss type of experiment again. And Eli needs at least 3 reliable wideouts because this offense really struggled when one of the 3 starters were out with an injury.

Somebody brought up Hixon, are u kidding me? Hixon tore his knee twice, he's done. Barden is still a project and injury-prone, I don't think Barden will pan out though because all he has is size, he's not quick enough to play slot, and he's too slow to play outside. Devin Thomas is a wideout version of Beckum, just average and nothing exceptional, only way he would stick around is with special teams play, not WR.

Osi simply won't play without a new contract, if you think otherwise then you are dreaming. Osi is a pass-rush specialist who doesn't play run defense and only plays around 20 snaps a game, Giants will never pay him any more than the current contract. JPP can easily fill Osi's 20 snaps a game void so Osi really doesn't have any bargaining chips. Osi I believe will be traded for a draft pick.

Ross could be had for cheap, but he's not worth giving up Mario for, Mario is a much more better player at his position than Ross is at his. Plus you can't babysit Amukamara forever, time for him to step up and fill the shoes.

WE MUST KEEP MARIO

jomo
02-07-2012, 09:22 PM
Mario has totally earned my respect during the playoff run, he is money & the truth, he's really a #2 playing a #3 wideout, heck on some teams he might be #1, and he's very young with an upside still, can't say the same about Osi and Ross. We are stacked at DE and T2 is coming back so Ross is expendable, T2 is a better corner also. The same can't be said about Mario if he's gone, the drop-off in talent, ability, skill, experience is huge and Eli being the passing master that he is needs #3 of his caliber to spread the field. And let's keep in mind that injuries can also happen so if we don't have Mario then we only have one legit WR to go to and that ain't going to cut it. WE MUST KEEP MARIO.Are you sure TT is coming back? He's recovering from his second acl surgery now at the most physically demanding position on the field. No knock on MM but I don't think we can afford him. Osi is under contract so it is not coming down to us paying him more though we may trade him. I wouldn't over pay Ross either. It is possible that all 3 are gone sad to say. I love this group.

bigjeep
02-07-2012, 09:24 PM
Mario has totally earned my respect during the playoff run, he is money & the truth, he's really a #2 playing a #3 wideout, heck on some teams he might be #1, and he's very young with an upside still, can't say the same about Osi and Ross. We are stacked at DE and T2 is coming back so Ross is expendable, T2 is a better corner also. The same can't be said about Mario if he's gone, the drop-off in talent, ability, skill, experience is huge and Eli being the passing master that he is needs #3 of his caliber to spread the field. And let's keep in mind that injuries can also happen so if we don't have Mario then we only have one legit WR to go to and that ain't going to cut it.

WE MUST KEEP MARIO.

Bottom line, Mario is going to the highest bidder. Giants don't like bidding wars!

jomo
02-07-2012, 09:26 PM
Wow it's a bit puzzling that so many are dissing on Mario, sure he's not been perfect in regular season, but what he has shown in the playoffs with 3 TD catches and many other clutch catches tells me that he's a KEEPER without a doubt, one bad route running play does not make him a lousy WR, Wes Welker is the best slot WR and he dropping a pass doesn't make him a bad WR. I'm fully aware that Mario won't be here if he's out of the price range of what Giants can afford, hopefully Mario sticks around for a reasonable price because I trust him as much as Nicks and Cruz, and I am not eager to go through the whole Sinorice Moss type of experiment again. And Eli needs at least 3 reliable wideouts because this offense really struggled when one of the 3 starters were out with an injury. Somebody brought up Hixon, are u kidding me? Hixon tore his knee twice, he's done. Barden is still a project and injury-prone, I don't think Barden will pan out though because all he has is size, he's not quick enough to play slot, and he's too slow to play outside. Devin Thomas is a wideout version of Beckum, just average and nothing exceptional, only way he would stick around is with special teams play, not WR. Osi simply won't play without a new contract, if you think otherwise then you are dreaming. Osi is a pass-rush specialist who doesn't play run defense and only plays around 20 snaps a game, Giants will never pay him any more than the current contract. JPP can easily fill Osi's 20 snaps a game void so Osi really doesn't have any bargaining chips. Osi I believe will be traded for a draft pick. Ross could be had for cheap, but he's not worth giving up Mario for, Mario is a much more better player at his position than Ross is at his. Plus you can't babysit Amukamara forever, time for him to step up and fill the shoes. WE MUST KEEP MARIOI am sorry but someone is going to pay him more than he is worth. He has improved over the past 4 years but he is still challenged on his route running. That drifting to the sidelines forcing an incomplete pass is not an isolated incident. It is part of his DNA. He was the huge beneficiary of all the attention that Nicks and Cruz received. Let's focus on MM and his place in Giants history. That catch on the final drive will be one of the all time Giants most memorable plays and we should all stand up and applaud when he cashes in big time this off season. Very unlikely it will be with us.

vcruz2013
02-07-2012, 09:32 PM
OP is crazy.

fletch842
02-07-2012, 09:33 PM
I like Rio, really I do, but he's clearly our 3rd receiver behind Nicks and Cruuuuuuuz. Osi changes our defense, they just weren't the same without him. Talent at that level is hard to come by. I may be a bit homerish, but I'd like to see Osi back.

FIFTY6G-MAN
02-07-2012, 09:36 PM
I'd definitely take Osi over Mario. Osi was averaging a sack a game. Seems most of the time there is miscommunication between Eli and a receiver, its Mario. I'd rather see Hixon, Barden, or Thomas get a chance to replace Mario.
Love it and agree with the exception of Barden Be Gone. He just flat out sux.

JJC7301
02-07-2012, 09:40 PM
I think with improvement at the LB , we can move kiwi and Osi is more replaceable, at this point mario might not be
Just because we would maybe draft a DE if Osi left, we have no idea if and when that new player would be successful.

Move Kiwi? We finally have him settled in at that position and he adds great depth and intimidation in the pass rush if we keep him at LB. KEEP HIM AT LB.

Keep Osi -- he's got one year left on his contract. Maybe give him an extra million with some extra incentives, but DON'T trade or release him. WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST DE'S IN THE LEAGUE FOR SOMETHING LIKE $3.3 MILLION.

MM and ROSS ARE MORE EASILY REPLACEABLE THAN OSI.

IS IT ME, OR AM I THE ONLY ONE THAT REMEMBERS WHAT OUR D WAS LIKE THIS YEAR BEFORE WE HAD BOTH OSI AND TUCK ON THE FIELD AT THE SAME TIME??

ikebibby91
02-07-2012, 09:41 PM
Mario has totally earned my respect during the playoff run, he is money & the truth, he's really a #2 playing a #3 wideout, heck on some teams he might be #1, and he's very young with an upside still, can't say the same about Osi and Ross. We are stacked at DE and T2 is coming back so Ross is expendable, T2 is a better corner also. The same can't be said about Mario if he's gone, the drop-off in talent, ability, skill, experience is huge and Eli being the passing master that he is needs #3 of his caliber to spread the field. And let's keep in mind that injuries can also happen so if we don't have Mario then we only have one legit WR to go to and that ain't going to cut it.

WE MUST KEEP MARIO.

It would be crazy to let Mario go; It would be even crazier to break up NASCAR and let Osi go. Defense STILL wins championships, and Eli wins championships.

TuggSpeedman
02-07-2012, 09:58 PM
We aren't going to let Mario walk. I'm sure the Giants will make him a very fair offer, but if another team steps in and one ups the Giants, which is very possible, don't you think he'd take the $$$? Don't get me wrong, Mario is great as our #3, but hes had his share of injuries and I think we'd be able to replace him with a formidable option. I think resigning Ross hinges on the health of TT. Ross played in every game this year and a lot of people underestimate his play. Osi, as everyone has said is still under contract for 1 more year, so if he wants to play his game again Im sure it would have the same ending as this year.

We can't overpay any of these players - Nicks, Cruz and JPP need to be locked up in a few years.

ShockeyShow
02-08-2012, 01:13 PM
We can't overpay any of these players - Nicks, Cruz and JPP need to be locked up in a few years.

This is the most important thing. And we are eventually going to have to find a new stud to lock down the OLine.

As much as Manningham has performed for us, I still think we stand a better shot of repeating next year with Osi on the line. I still say that I'd rather have Manningham than Jacobs unless we bolster our line so that he can start running like '07 again.

We can offer Osi a couple mil this year and keep him happy for his last year.

Ross' money can be reallocated towards MM and Osi over the next couple years