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Kruunch
02-08-2012, 10:44 AM
With both tearing their ACLs in the Super Bowl it's more than likely they don't play in 2012.

Does that put Dwayne Allen at the top of our draft boards?

TheEnigma
02-08-2012, 10:48 AM
Dwayne Allen or Coby Fleener would look mighty fine in a Giants uniform :)

charles355
02-08-2012, 10:48 AM
yes him or the Stanford one or best Tackle available

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 10:49 AM
yes him or the Stanford one or best Tackle available

Yeah I'm thinking Oline might still be more important.

Also we'll need to draft a DE considering Osi is gone after next year.

CDN_G-FAN
02-08-2012, 10:57 AM
We tend to use TEs as blockers first and receivers second.</P>


Getting some hard-core passing threat TE who's below average at blocking doesn't really fit how we use a TE.</P>


We'll never throw 100 balls at our TE, we're better off getting someone who can block with average receiving skills.</P>

giantman8493
02-08-2012, 10:58 AM
It has to be allen in the first. the stanford te can not block well enough for us.

TheEnigma
02-08-2012, 11:01 AM
We tend to use TEs as blockers first and receivers second.</P>


Getting some hard-core passing threat TE who's below average at blocking doesn't really fit how we use a TE.</P>


We'll never throw 100 balls at our TE, we're better off getting someone who can block with average receiving skills.</P>Allen and Fleener both have the frame to become decent blockers as well.

In fact, Dwayne Allen would often go 1-on-1 with his old buddy Da'Quan Bowers in practice on working on his blocking skills. I'm sure he would do the same here and would get good experience dealing with JPP, Osi, and Tuck.

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 11:04 AM
We tend to use TEs as blockers first and receivers second.</P>


Getting some hard-core passing threat TE who's below average at blocking doesn't really fit how we use a TE.</P>


We'll never throw 100 balls at our TE, we're better off getting someone who can block with average receiving skills.</P>

True but the Beckum experiment would disagree with you (at least in desire) and we still have Pascoe who is a good blocker and Hynoski who actually played a blocking TE rather well when filling in.

nygsb42champs
02-08-2012, 11:05 AM
They definetly will have to look that way early in the draft.

MikeIsaGiant
02-08-2012, 11:33 AM
We need o-lineman first round, TE in 2nd

Brandon jacobs
02-08-2012, 11:38 AM
We need o-lineman first round, TE in 2nd


love your sig man, truly nice piece of work

giantsfan420
02-08-2012, 11:40 AM
well if we dont trade down and actually pick at 32, i could honestly see that stanford te being on the board and being the BPA. it would also help bc he is an EXCELLENT blocker, with great pass catching ability and good size.

he also has deceptive speed. i compare him to a smaller gronk.

i'd honestly love to get him bc he'd help our run game, and is very reliable and smart in terms of route running, and with eli he could be that 3rd down, chain moving option. in fact, thats who i want to draft now. i was high on him before now i flat out want him.

at 32, their isnt going to be many players worthy of the 1rst round pick and reese wont reach, so i could see him trading down. but if that te has a good shot at being there when we pick at 32, i actually believe we'd take him.

i doubt theirs going to be an OT worthy of 1rst round pick at 32.

we prob will go de/dt/lb.

burfect could easily be there at 32 too and he has insane measurables and would be epic with our dline.

we'll see, im very excited bout this offseason even tho theirs a good chance we'll lose MM and osi

Husky
02-08-2012, 11:40 AM
That might have been true a few years ago, but I must say, the advances in treating and rehabing that injury have been astounding. Welker blew out his knee in the final game and was on the field on opening day. Let's hope that's the case for Beckum and Ballard.

MikeIsaGiant
02-08-2012, 11:41 AM
We need o-lineman first round, TE in 2nd


love your sig man, truly nice piece of work


Thanks man, I have to find out who made it because I have to give credit

NYBlue10
02-08-2012, 11:42 AM
I gotta go with OL in 1st rd. and TE in 2nd rd. as well. But Giants FO drafts on talent, not need, so you never know.

egyptian420
02-08-2012, 11:43 AM
We tend to use TEs as blockers first and receivers second.</p>


Getting some hard-core passing threat TE who's below average at blocking doesn't really fit how we use a TE.</p>


We'll never throw 100 balls at our TE, we're better off getting someone who can block with average receiving skills.</p>
This leads me to another interesting question...is this team going to become a pass-first team in future years? The way we looked this season was like no other, this was nothing like our 07 offense.

I know a huge part of that was due to us being forced to pass because of our inability to run the ball, but after Eli's surgical precision, passing numbers, and amazing receivers, do you think we'll go down that road while still retaining a decent rushing attack?

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 11:43 AM
That might have been true a few years ago, but I must say, the advances in treating and rehabing that injury have been astounding.* Welker blew out his knee in the final game and was on the field on opening day.* Let's hope that's the case for Beckum and Ballard.


Welker is the exception to the rule. NO ONE has come back that fast from an ACL and had that kind of production before or since.

Welker is also a really small guy which helps when rehabbing and playing on a bum knee.

Neither Beckum nor Ballard have that good fortune. You won't see them in 2012.

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 11:45 AM
We tend to use TEs as blockers first and receivers second.</p>


Getting some hard-core passing threat TE who's below average at blocking doesn't really fit how we use a TE.</p>


We'll never throw 100 balls at our TE, we're better off getting someone who can block with average receiving skills.</p>
This leads me to another interesting question...is this team going to become a pass-first team in future years? The way we looked this season was like no other, this was nothing like our 07 offense.

I know a huge part of that was due to us being forced to pass because of our inability to run the ball, but after Eli's surgical precision, passing numbers, and amazing receivers, do you think we'll go down that road while still retaining a decent rushing attack?


We've been a pass first team sine 2009.

We've run more pass plays then run plays since the mid 90s.

I'm hoping we get back to being more balanced like we were in 2008 (even though I have Eli on my fantasy team).

barran21
02-08-2012, 11:48 AM
Reese gonna draft a DE..

GameTime
02-08-2012, 11:49 AM
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How about a guy they already have on the PS. You never know. Big guy..6'6" 277...</P>


why not??</P>

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 11:53 AM
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How about a guy they already have on the PS. You never know. Big guy..6'6" 277...</P>


why not??</P>

Absolutely .,... would not surprise me since we've plummed those depths before.

FDNY Fitzy
02-08-2012, 11:54 AM
Fleener has the tools to be a huge contributor on offense for us, but you have to think that if the NYG do lose Osi this offseason to trade, ect, they will look at another pass rushing DE.

Big Blue in SD
02-08-2012, 11:55 AM
It's not the sexiest answer but it's one of the reasons why we're the champs, we're drafting the Best Player Available.

GameTime
02-08-2012, 11:56 AM
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How about a guy they already have on the PS. You never know. Big guy..6'6" 277...</P>


why not??</P>


Absolutely .,... would not surprise me since we've plummed those depths before.</P>


for whatever its worth my friend when to a couple of preseason practices last year and he said the guy looked comfortable and was catching the ball very well. Not much but I guess its better then him looking like crap...:)</P>

Carnage929
02-08-2012, 12:01 PM
We will take a DE or a CB in the first. Possibly an Olineman. We won't take a TE in the first or 2nd IMHO. TE (especially for the Giants) is a low positional value. The highest positional value regardless of anything are pass rushers and CBs. No matter how bad our need for a TE is, I doubt we take one before the 3rd.

MikeIsaGiant
02-08-2012, 12:03 PM
CB in the first? Not sure if I'd go with a CB in the 1st...

NY_Eli
02-08-2012, 12:03 PM
That might have been true a few years ago, but I must say, the advances in treating and rehabing that injury have been astounding.* Welker blew out his knee in the final game and was on the field on opening day.* Let's hope that's the case for Beckum and Ballard.


Regardless, you still have to prepare just in case.

Husky
02-08-2012, 12:08 PM
That might have been true a few years ago, but I must say, the advances in treating and rehabing that injury have been astounding. Welker blew out his knee in the final game and was on the field on opening day. Let's hope that's the case for Beckum and Ballard.


Welker is the exception to the rule. NO ONE has come back that fast from an ACL and had that kind of production before or since.

Welker is also a really small guy which helps when rehabbing and playing on a bum knee.

Neither Beckum nor Ballard have that good fortune. You won't see them in 2012.
I see the glass as half full, I guess.
Rod Woodson tore his ACL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_cruciate_ligament) against the Detroit Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Lions) trying to tackle Barry Sanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sanders) in the first game and returned to play in Super Bowl XXX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXX) between the Steelers and the Dallas Cowboys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys) 19 weeks later. In that game, he broke up a pass intended for Michael Irvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Irvin), hopped up and pointed at his reconstructed knee.

Carnage929
02-08-2012, 12:08 PM
CB in the first? Not sure if I'd go with a CB in the 1st...


If the player is there, I would in a heartbeat. Our entire CB depth was wiped out by ACLs. Ross stepped up this year, Webby is always consistent, after that, we have Prince. We don't know how TT will respond (remember he blew the same ACL at USC).. We need Oline, CBs, (DE if Osi leaves), possibly in that order even depending on BPA. I'm affraid we won't be getting that stud LB that all of us want this year boys...

Just my opinion.

Husky
02-08-2012, 12:13 PM
That might have been true a few years ago, but I must say, the advances in treating and rehabing that injury have been astounding. Welker blew out his knee in the final game and was on the field on opening day. Let's hope that's the case for Beckum and Ballard.


Regardless, you still have to prepare just in case.True. They should be looking at point guards, who are continually in foul trouble, for candidates, in the mean time.

Tommy_Ribs
02-08-2012, 12:21 PM
You would think we would go for a good TE early.

I think we also have to get Depth at OT, LB and RB as well.

I think Jacobs is a goner, and we will need a RB that can handle a load as Bradshaw gets nicked up.

ShockeyShow
02-08-2012, 12:27 PM
We need o-lineman first round, TE in 2nd


I think we should acquire an established lineman from Free Agency like Carl Nicks from NO or Ben Grubbs from Baltimore. Not saying we shouldn't acquire someone in the draft as well, but these guys would come in, and immediately give our line the physicality it needs

ShockeyShow
02-08-2012, 12:29 PM
You would think we would go for a good TE early.

I think we also have to get Depth at OT, LB and RB as well.

I think Jacobs is a goner, and we will need a RB that can handle a load as Bradshaw gets nicked up.


I couldn't agree more

Everyone loves Trent Richardson (what's not to love), and for an organization that never trades up, I really feel we should take a shot and grab him or Monte Ball out of Wisconsin.

barran21
02-08-2012, 12:42 PM
We need o-lineman first round, TE in 2nd


I think we should acquire an established lineman from Free Agency like Carl Nicks from NO or Ben Grubbs from Baltimore. Not saying we shouldn't acquire someone in the draft as well, but these guys would come in, and immediately give our line the physicality it needs

Carl wants to get PAID, so you can forget that idea...

ShockeyShow
02-08-2012, 12:47 PM
Well then let's go after Grubbs.... Unless we have an absolute stud fall to us late in the first

tmcgr001
02-08-2012, 01:05 PM
We tend to use TEs as blockers first and receivers second.</P>


Getting some hard-core passing threat TE who's below average at blocking doesn't really fit how we use a TE.</P>


We'll never throw 100 balls at our TE, we're better off getting someone who can block with average receiving skills.</P>

Agreed!

LT_was_good
02-08-2012, 01:07 PM
Not really concerned with finding some stud TE. We found Ballard, we'll find his replacement. Just because other great offenses have top tight ends doesn't mean ours has to, as we have just proven.

Much more interested in OT, Dline, and secondary depth.

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 01:14 PM
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That might have been true a few years ago, but I must say, the advances in treating and rehabing that injury have been astounding.* Welker blew out his knee in the final game and was on the field on opening day.* Let's hope that's the case for Beckum and Ballard.


Welker is the exception to the rule. NO ONE has come back that fast from an ACL and had that kind of production before or since.

Welker is also a really small guy which helps when rehabbing and playing on a bum knee.

Neither Beckum nor Ballard have that good fortune. You won't see them in 2012.
I see the glass as half full, I guess.
Rod Woodson tore his ACL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_cruciate_ligament) against the Detroit Lions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Lions) trying to tackle Barry Sanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sanders) in the first game and returned to play in Super Bowl XXX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXX) between the Steelers and the Dallas Cowboys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys) 19 weeks later. In that game, he broke up a pass intended for Michael Irvin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Irvin), hopped up and pointed at his reconstructed knee.

Guess I like to buy a new glass if I see it's been cracked.

It's certainly in the realm of possibility ... just not probability.

P.S. - Rod Woodson I believe is the only player to ever come back from an ACL tear in the same year.

GfieldGmen
02-08-2012, 01:46 PM
I would love to land the center Konz from Wisconsin and move Baas to LG.

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 01:50 PM
You would think we would go for a good TE early.

I think we also have to get Depth at OT, LB and RB as well.

I think Jacobs is a goner, and we will need a RB that can handle a load as Bradshaw gets nicked up.



Oline, DE, RB, TE, LB, DB

Something along those lines would be my guess.