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SBChamps85
02-08-2012, 03:04 PM
Pretty interesting stuff… take that Kurt Warner.



http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#2

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 03:07 PM
Pretty interesting stuff… take that Kurt Warner.



http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#2

It's a stupid article ... all it points out is that Eli has to keep playing.

I don't think anyone doubts Eli is a HoF candidate if he puts up even mediocre numbers over the next 4-5 years.

bflo23
02-08-2012, 03:14 PM
great article... Eli really dominates Elway at the age of 30. Comparing Namath to Eli is just laughable. Eli's future looks real bright. HOF! Here Eli comes.

Lets compare Warner's stats at the age of 30. Warner had 98 passing TDs..... And Eli has 185 passing TDs.

SBChamps85
02-08-2012, 03:15 PM
Pretty interesting stuff… take that Kurt Warner.



http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#2

It's a stupid article ... all it points out is that Eli has to keep playing.

I don't think anyone doubts Eli is a HoF candidate if he puts up even mediocre numbers over the next 4-5 years.


I thought it was pretty amazing that Eli had better numbers than everyone on the list with the exception of Marino and Montana. And he had over 40 more tds than Montana.

TrueBlue@NYC
02-08-2012, 03:16 PM
I had a very heated debate with someone about whether Eli would be a HOF'er if he retired tomorrow. I flat out said "no". </P>


Eli's a heck of a player, and had a HOF caliber type of year, but the HOF (other than Namath) is about CAREER &amp; INDIVIDUAL success. </P>


Eli's definitly has got the rings, now he needs to continue building his individual accomplishments to get in. He needs to string together another few excellent seasons to be in that class in my mind. </P>


Said the same thing for Big Ben. </P>


When their careers are over, I feel both will probably get in at some point. But it's way too early for them to be locks right now. </P>

GameTime
02-08-2012, 03:16 PM
Eli is headed in the right direction of course. He will get there no doubt. </P>


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guardplay320
02-08-2012, 03:30 PM
Pretty interesting stuff… take that Kurt Warner.



http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#2

It's a stupid article ... all it points out is that Eli has to keep playing.

I don't think anyone doubts Eli is a HoF candidate if he puts up even mediocre numbers over the next 4-5 years.


I thought it was pretty amazing that Eli had better numbers than everyone on the list with the exception of Marino and Montana. And he had over 40 more tds than Montana.

It was a different league back then. Check out Montana's completion percentage. Insanely good.

Kruunch
02-08-2012, 03:34 PM
Pretty interesting stuff… take that Kurt Warner.



http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-vs-hall-of-fame-quarterbacks-at-30-1.3493231#2

It's a stupid article ... all it points out is that Eli has to keep playing.

I don't think anyone doubts Eli is a HoF candidate if he puts up even mediocre numbers over the next 4-5 years.


I thought it was pretty amazing that Eli had better numbers than everyone on the list with the exception of Marino and Montana. And he had over 40 more tds than Montana.

Different league, different rules, different play styles.

And having HoF conversations about 30 years olds is just silly since the HoF is about a full body of work.

Eli is definitely on his way to Canton. I don't think anyone disagrees there.

Big Blue 418
02-08-2012, 03:36 PM
I had a very heated debate with someone about whether Eli would be a HOF'er if he retired tomorrow. I flat out said "no". </P>


Eli's a heck of a player, and had a HOF caliber type of year, but the HOF (other than Namath) is about CAREER & INDIVIDUAL success. </P>


Eli's definitly has got the rings, now he needs to continue building his individual accomplishments to get in. He needs to string together another few excellent seasons to be in that class in my mind. </P>


Said the same thing for Big Ben. </P>


When their careers are over, I feel both will probably get in at some point. But it's way too early for them to be locks right now. </P>
Look at Bradshaws numbers too . Eli's numbers are that. If Namath is in the hof , this shouldn't even be a debate . Eli has done enough

burier
02-08-2012, 03:46 PM
I had a very heated debate with someone about whether Eli would be a HOF'er if he retired tomorrow. I flat out said "no". </P>


Eli's a heck of a player, and had a HOF caliber type of year, but the HOF (other than Namath) is about CAREER & INDIVIDUAL success. </P>


Eli's definitly has got the rings, now he needs to continue building his individual accomplishments to get in. He needs to string together another few excellent seasons to be in that class in my mind. </P>


Said the same thing for Big Ben. </P>


When their careers are over, I feel both will probably get in at some point. But it's way too early for them to be locks right now. </P>


But you're under-valuing Eli's accomplishments by narrowly defining accomplishments in the way of stats.

Eli has personal accomplishments that are bigger than a compilation of stats.

The fact that Eli Manning has the greatest play in SB history against "The greatest team" in SB history.

The fact that he lead two go ahead TD drives in that SB.

The fact that his team beat the 18-0 patriots honestly should be enough to go in the hall of FAME especially when you look at the totality of that season and the entire playoff run on the road including the almost mythical Frozen Tundra.

But everyone wanted to see it again to prove it wasn't a fluke and Eli did it again.

I just can't see an argument to keep Eli out of the hall of FAME at this point.

Saying he's not in the HOF yet is basically saying he needs to stay in the league and complie stats in order to get in which is ridiculous to me and not what football is supposed to be all about.

I'm telling you if Curtis Martin is in Eli is in.

byron
02-08-2012, 03:58 PM
I have seenseveral newsday links heretoday none of the links even work....

Hostetler
02-08-2012, 04:05 PM
I had a very heated debate with someone about whether Eli would be a HOF'er if he retired tomorrow. I flat out said "no". </P>


Eli's a heck of a player, and had a HOF caliber type of year, but the HOF (other than Namath) is about CAREER &amp; INDIVIDUAL success. </P>


Eli's definitly has got the rings, now he needs to continue building his individual accomplishments to get in. He needs to string together another few excellent seasons to be in that class in my mind. </P>


Said the same thing for Big Ben. </P>


When their careers are over, I feel both will probably get in at some point. But it's way too early for them to be locks right now. </P>


Look at Bradshaws numbers too . Eli's numbers are that. If Namath is in the hof , this shouldn't even be a debate . Eli has done enough</P>


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Namath is in for Winning the SB AND what his winning the SB did for the league, Jets lose that game and the merger might not ever happen, or if it does, much much later than when it occured.</P>


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That is a significant accomplishment for the sport of football, hence Namath deserves to be there.</P>

giantsforce
02-08-2012, 04:54 PM
I had a very heated debate with someone about whether Eli would be a HOF'er if he retired tomorrow. I flat out said "no". </p>


Eli's a heck of a player, and had a HOF caliber type of year, but the HOF (other than Namath) is about CAREER &amp; INDIVIDUAL success. </p>


Eli's definitly has got the rings, now he needs to continue building his individual accomplishments to get in. He needs to string together another few excellent seasons to be in that class in my mind. </p>


Said the same thing for Big Ben. </p>


When their careers are over, I feel both will probably get in at some point. But it's way too early for them to be locks right now. </p>
Look at Bradshaws numbers too . Eli's numbers are that. If Namath is in the hof , this shouldn't even be a debate . Eli has done enoughSome will argue that it was different then than it is now. Well, let's give them something more recent to compare:
Aikman: Years in NFL 12 Total Yards: 32,942, TD -INT: 165-141 Completion %: 61.5 QB Rating: 81.6
Eli: Years in NFL 8 Total Yards: 27,579, TD -INT: 185-129 Completion %: 58.4 QB Rating: 82.1
Warner:Years in NFL 12 Total Yards: 32,334, TD -INT: 208-128 Completion %: 65.5 QB Rating: 93.7
Question #1: Why is Aikman a HOF and Eli is not?
Question #2: Can we revisit this when Eli has the same number of years in the NFL? Then we can compare apples to apples. But If Eli was to retire today, he compares favorably to Aikman.
Question #3: Warner said that Eli is not a "game changer". How does he explain all the 4rth qrt comebacks and breaking the NFL record for 4rth qrt TD's? Isn't that a"game changer"?

I was not an Eli fan and if you see my posts in the past, I was not too kind on Eli. However, once I looked at this objectively, how can I not give him credit for what he has accomplished?

giantsforce
02-08-2012, 05:02 PM
I had a very heated debate with someone about whether Eli would be a HOF'er if he retired tomorrow. I flat out said "no". </p>


Eli's a heck of a player, and had a HOF caliber type of year, but the HOF (other than Namath) is about CAREER &amp; INDIVIDUAL success. </p>


Eli's definitly has got the rings, now he needs to continue building his individual accomplishments to get in. He needs to string together another few excellent seasons to be in that class in my mind. </p>


Said the same thing for Big Ben. </p>


When their careers are over, I feel both will probably get in at some point. But it's way too early for them to be locks right now. </p>


But you're under-valuing Eli's accomplishments by narrowly defining accomplishments in the way of stats.

Eli has personal accomplishments that are bigger than a compilation of stats.

The fact that Eli Manning has the greatest play in SB history against "The greatest team" in SB history.

The fact that he lead two go ahead TD drives in that SB.

The fact that his team beat the 18-0 patriots honestly should be enough to go in the hall of FAME especially when you look at the totality of that season and the entire playoff run on the road including the almost mythical Frozen Tundra.

But everyone wanted to see it again to prove it wasn't a fluke and Eli did it again.

I just can't see an argument to keep Eli out of the hall of FAME at this point.

Saying he's not in the HOF yet is basically saying he needs to stay in the league and complie stats in order to get in which is ridiculous to me and not what football is supposed to be all about.

I'm telling you if Curtis Martin is in Eli is in.Right on the money! Eli has 2 rings Big Ben has 2 also. Is it the same beating Seattle and Arizona as beating the greatest QB/Coach duo in the history of the NFL and in the process ruining the Pats perfect season?

Big Blue 418
02-08-2012, 05:08 PM
I had a very heated debate with someone about whether Eli would be a HOF'er if he retired tomorrow. I flat out said "no". </P>


Eli's a heck of a player, and had a HOF caliber type of year, but the HOF (other than Namath) is about CAREER & INDIVIDUAL success. </P>


Eli's definitly has got the rings, now he needs to continue building his individual accomplishments to get in. He needs to string together another few excellent seasons to be in that class in my mind. </P>


Said the same thing for Big Ben. </P>


When their careers are over, I feel both will probably get in at some point. But it's way too early for them to be locks right now. </P>


Look at Bradshaws numbers too . Eli's numbers are that. If Namath is in the hof , this shouldn't even be a debate . Eli has done enough</P>


*</P>


Namath is in for Winning the SB AND what his winning the SB did for the league,* Jets lose that game and the merger might not ever happen, or if it does, much much later than when it occured.</P>


*</P>


That is a significant accomplishment for the sport of football, hence Namath deserves to be there.</P>

So wait a secind Namath gets in for the great upset . Cough superbowl 42 cough . Eli lead the Giants to the greatest sb upset since than probably more so ...


That excuse is lame