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Martyr
02-09-2012, 11:37 AM
I think the giants should leave kiwi at lb, he has played better then most expected and do the giants really need to fill another hole at lb.

I thought he did well filling running lanes and taking on fullbacks. I also noticed he played DE on passing downs during the season.
Mathis is the answer at SLB!

Bohemian
02-09-2012, 11:48 AM
It is great to have a player that can play more than one position in any given game. He is a great asset for the team, and a great teammate from what I can see.

Kruunch
02-09-2012, 12:09 PM
I think the giants should leave kiwi at lb, he has played better then most expected and do the giants really need to fill another hole at lb.

I thought he did well filling running lanes and taking on fullbacks. I also noticed he played DE on passing downs during the season.
Mathis is the answer at SLB!

You realize that he played less snaps then Blackburn did in the SB?

Kiwi is a natural pass rusher. Considering our successes have come because of our immense pass rush, I'd say move him back to DE and get some real LBs.

Mercury
02-09-2012, 12:33 PM
How many snaps is Kiwi going to have as a DE with Tuck and JPP? Not enough. Kiwi is too athletic to play 3rd or 4th DE. He's great as a run stuffing LB. How many times did we see him knife in on a RB for a loss? A lot. And on 3rd down, you have a lot of options, he can be a 5th Dlineman, you can go to NASCAR formation, or he can drop into coverage (Maybe not his best use, but he isn't terrible at it.)

XxBigWhitxX
02-09-2012, 12:46 PM
How many snaps is Kiwi going to have as a DE with Tuck and JPP?* Not enough.* Kiwi is* too athletic to play 3rd or 4th DE.* He's great as a run stuffing LB.* How many times did we see him knife in on a RB* for a loss?* A lot.* And on 3rd down, you have a lot of options, he can be a 5th Dlineman, you can go to NASCAR formation, or he can drop into coverage (Maybe not his best use, but he isn't terrible at it.)

He's ghood at stopping the run but he is a huge liability in coverage and seeing the way the NFL is evolving many teams throw on 1st and 2nd down now. Get an OLB that can be out there for all three downs like Zach Brown. Plus with Osi most likely being gone and the frequent D-line rotation we have also the Nascar package he will see plenty of PT.

nygsb42champs
02-09-2012, 12:49 PM
He seemed to get better as the year went on. He is a big assett because of his versatility.

Bohemian
02-09-2012, 01:02 PM
I think that we can expect Williams to be the OLB with Boley next year. But I do see Kiwi playing situational roles next year. And if Osi does get traded, Kiwi should transition back to the line.

I have to say that I am becoming a big Williams fan, as he has great size, speed and instincts to play the position. Blackburn is a great complimentary player as well.

ryan12
02-09-2012, 01:04 PM
I think that we can expect Williams to be the OLB with Boley next year.* But I do see Kiwi playing situational roles next year.* And if Osi does get traded, Kiwi should transition back to the line.

I have to say that I am becoming a big Williams fan, as he has great size, speed and instincts to play the position.* Blackburn is a great complimentary player as well.


i love the offseason lol

JJC7301
02-09-2012, 01:05 PM
I think the giants should leave kiwi at lb, he has played better then most expected and do the giants really need to fill another hole at lb. I thought he did well filling running lanes and taking on fullbacks. I also noticed he played DE on passing downs during the season. Mathis is the answer at SLB!</P>


+1. They need to stop moving him back and forth, plus it's nice to be able to bring his pass rushing skills from the LB position.</P>


Even if Osi is gone (which I don't think will happen), I wantKiwi to stay at LB. They should draft another DE, if necessary.</P>

G-Man67
02-09-2012, 01:13 PM
absolutely ... people sometimes get caught up in the well he played DE at college ... well news flash he gets to rush the passer plenty with us



in order to have enough pass rushers and keep those pass rushers, you need to find a way for most of them to start and LB was the ideal way to have Kiwi both be a starter and be available for NASCAR packages as a D-lineman



and finally, it's no longer an experiment ... he is great at LB vs. the run and his wingspan and great athletic ability covers up a lot of his coverage inexperience ... he's a very good zone pass defender and he continually improves when he has to play some man to man vs. RBs or TEs ... altho, again he is generally playing D-line on passing downs

Martyr
02-09-2012, 02:34 PM
I think the giants should leave kiwi at lb, he has played better then most expected and do the giants really need to fill another hole at lb. I thought he did well filling running lanes and taking on fullbacks. I also noticed he played DE on passing downs during the season. Mathis is the answer at SLB! You realize that he played less snaps then Blackburn did in the SB? Kiwi is a natural pass rusher. Considering our successes have come because of our immense pass rush, I'd say move him back to DE and get some real LBs.</P>


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Yeah Blackburn played pretty much the whole game, doenst matter Kiwi just didnt fix the scheme nor did Williams for that game. </P>


The Giants wont sign a big time Lb in this FA &amp; chances are Reese wont draft a Lb in the early rounds. The Giants have a good core and they should keep it together. </P>

SackingMyths
02-09-2012, 03:25 PM
I think the giants should leave kiwi at lb, he has played better then most expected and do the giants really need to fill another hole at lb. I thought he did well filling running lanes and taking on fullbacks. I also noticed he played DE on passing downs during the season. Mathis is the answer at SLB!</p>


+1. They need to stop moving him back and forth, plus it's nice to be able to bring his pass rushing skills from the LB position.</p>


Even if Osi is gone (which I don't think will happen), I wantKiwi to stay at LB. They should draft another DE, if necessary.</p>

I agree. Keep him at SLB.

Yeah, he isn't perfect in coverage, but he's far from a liability. He's also a devastating run blitzer and I've seen him absolutely destroy FBs and O-Lineman alike.

He also seems to have readily accepted this as his new role, after his neck injury, where he's less likely for Lineman to do dirty stuff with his facemask on purpose.

gmen0820
02-09-2012, 03:33 PM
We won a SB with him. If anything, that's a testament to how our defense is built. We don't have to prioritize a SAM backer.

We need a third safety. We live and die with our heavy nickel set, which features our three safeties, and hopefully, that isn't changing soon.

Kiwi is stout vs the run and average in coverage, although I do agree that the coaching staff tries to protect him from heavy passing teams.

TroyArcher
02-09-2012, 04:37 PM
If Osi goes I'd move him back to DE and sign a FA LB or give Williams a shot.

Kase-1
02-09-2012, 05:46 PM
Im totally fine with the 'Joker' role that Kiwi has been playing. He's been a LB/DE hybrid for us with Williams seeing the field more on passing downs instead of Kiwi, but that allows us to line Kiwi up with his hand in the dirt to rush the passer in the NASCAR package

Even if we part ways with Osi, I still want Kiwi as our Joker LB

I just hope Davey T doesnt leave us for another team, I really liked him off the bench

Firenugget
02-09-2012, 08:06 PM
If Osi goes I'd move him back to DE and sign a FA LB or give Williams a shot.

Yep. I think it all depends on what happens with Osi. I'm fine with him at either spot.