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jhamburg
02-10-2012, 01:42 AM
It doesn't make sense to me that we're so much worse off than other teams with regard to the cap. Our superstars other than Eli (Nicks, Cruz, JPP, etc) are mostly on rookie contracts...Tuck and Osi aren't making crazy money. We made a few moderately expensive FA signings like Canty, Boley, Rolle, Baas, but we haven't gone crazy like the Eagles have. For the most part we've been pretty modest and disciplined with our signings, so what's the deal? And will our situation get better any time soon?

dutchnyg
02-10-2012, 01:44 AM
Most of these came before the new CBA

DragonSoul
02-10-2012, 01:47 AM
We were always around the numbers with a bit of cushion I believe.

But when they went and got the new Salary Cap it went down from the previous year I believe. Plus last year was an uncapped year.

So many teams were on the verge of or were over the cap when the cap went into affect in the new season, if what i recall is correct.

I know there are many others who know a lot more then me on this and maybe they can explain it better to you.

giantsfan420
02-10-2012, 01:58 AM
it went from no salary cap to having one.

remember, just two years ago reese was getting a ton of pressure to go out and sign free agents. we had horrible secondary play so he went and made rolle the highest paid safety at the time.

i think reese didnt expect there to be an issue with the new cba and that the salary cap wouldnt be an issue bc he certainly got real charitable with his contract offers. when u start giving very good players contracts that pay them like the top 3 in their position, and then a salary cap comes into play, it's going to be tough for a while.

its nothing that reese can't fix, its just gonna be a few seasons before he gets it where he wants it to be.

but we're really not in that bad a situation. we just can't go out and aquire any big name FA's, Reese absolutely nails his draft picks too so he's getting top notch players at rookie contracts. when they need new contracts, he doesn't have the luxury of low balling their contracts.

all i care about is we resign our core players and a few role players. we should be able to do that no problem.

byron
02-10-2012, 02:17 AM
the last capped year was 09 at 128 mil... 2010 uncappedyear were over the 09 cap..When 2011 startedwe were over the new cba cap by about 10 mil....." these are just rough numbers I'm going off memory"....we got under the 2011120 mil cap but not by a whole lot.... you would have to look at player salaries to see where its all going...butI don't believe we have a lot space....</P>


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bLuereverie
02-10-2012, 07:27 AM
it went from no salary cap to having one.

i think reese didnt expect there to be an issue with the new cba and that the salary cap wouldnt be an issue

It was common knowledge preCBA that the cap would be lowered, hence why you saw plenty of teams cutting beforehand.

Reese took his shot because they obviously felt they were a contending team only 2-3 years removed from winning it all.

It was some mismanagement by the FO, something they gambled on, got burned, tempered and eventually worked out.

Also when you look at the higher paid positions of the league- QB, Oline, pass rushers and corners, we have plenty of either skilled/veteran players in those positions. So while some of those guys are not earning tops in their respective positions, their average pay for a starter is much more than other positions.

Gimaniac
02-10-2012, 08:13 AM
I don't really "get it" either. I'm hoping that all the other teams are dealing with the same problem and players like Rio and Osi have no where to go but stay here.

Seriously, how can these players get other teams to break the bank with this new CB agreement ?

nygsb42champs
02-10-2012, 09:05 AM
I can not figure it out. We are always rught up against the cap. JR will have to work his magic again.

bg79
02-10-2012, 09:15 AM
Free agents are the biggest detriment to our cap situation. Making Antrel Rolle the highest paid safety at the time didnt help. There arent very many guys drastically playing under salary except for Victor Cruz. All of the O line basically makes good money, Hakeem and JPP have 1st rounder money. Webster is well paid. Osi and Tuck are well compensated despite Osi complaining. Jacobs is overpaid, and Bradshaw is making big money. Eli was considered drastically overpaid until a couple of months ago. Our Defensive Tackles are for the most part overpaid with Canty making crazy money. There is just a lot of bloat all over the team which makes me laugh at the people who look at JPP's contract and say pay the man without thinking how it will make an already bad situation worse.

TuckYou
02-10-2012, 09:28 AM
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Antrel Rolle</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/antrel-rolle/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Lawrence Tynes</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/lawrence-tynes/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Kevin Boothe</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kevin-boothe/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>David Baas</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/david-baas/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Deon Grant</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/deon-grant/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>David Carr</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/david-carr/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Jimmy Kennedy</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/jimmy-kennedy/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Rocky Bernard</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/rocky-bernard/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Michael Clayton</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/michael-clayton/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Stacy Andrews</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/stacy-andrews/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Kenny Phillips</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/kenny-phillips/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
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<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Steve Weatherford</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/steve-weatherford/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">700,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Will Blackmon</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/will-blackmon/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">685,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Chase Blackburn</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/chase-blackburn/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">685,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Derrick Martin</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/derrick-martin/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">685,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Dave Tollefson</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/dave-tollefson/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">685,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Tony Ugoh</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/tony-ugoh/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">685,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Domenik Hixon</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/domenik-hixon/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">650,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Danny Ware</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/danny-ware/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">640,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">650,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end rfa ">RFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Terrell Thomas</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/terrell-thomas/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">600,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Hakeem Nicks</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/hakeem-nicks/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">575,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">750,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">925,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Michael Coe</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/michael-coe/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Jonathan Goff</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/jonathan-goff/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Justin Tryon</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/justin-tryon/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Devin Thomas</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/devin-thomas/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Bear Pascoe</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/bear-pascoe/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">525,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end rfa ">RFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Travis Beckum</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/travis-beckum/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">480,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">565,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>William Beatty</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/william-beatty/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">480,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">565,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Ramses Barden</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/ramses-barden/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">480,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">565,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Clint Sintim</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/clint-sintim/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">480,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">565,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Brian Witherspoon</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/brian-witherspoon/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">480,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">565,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Jason Pierre-Paul</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/jason-pierre-paul/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">475,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">825,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">1,175,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">1,511,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Victor Cruz</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/victor-cruz/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">405,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">490,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end rfa ">RFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Mitch Petrus</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/mitch-petrus/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">405,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">490,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">575,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Jake Ballard</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/jake-ballard/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">405,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end rfa ">RFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Linval Joseph</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/linval-joseph/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">405,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">490,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">575,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Chad Jones</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/chad-jones/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">405,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">490,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">575,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Tyler Sash</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/tyler-sash/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Jerrel Jernigan</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/jerrel-jernigan/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Jim Cordle</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/jim-cordle/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Martin Parker</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/martin-parker/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">-</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Jacquian Williams</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/jacquian-williams/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Mark Herzlich</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/mark-herzlich/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Da'Rel Scott</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/darel-scott/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>James Brewer</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/james-brewer/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Spencer Paysinger</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/spencer-paysinger/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Marvin Austin</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/marvin-austin/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">546,627</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">668,254</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">845,119</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Greg Jones</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/greg-jones/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">465,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">555,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">645,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD></TR>
<TR class=even>
<TD class=player><FONT color=#811001 size=4>Prince Amukamara</FONT> (http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/prince-amukamara/) <SPAN class=at>at</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=shift><SPAN class=at>at</SPAN></TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">375,000</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">746,859</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">1,118,718</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ">1,539,423</SPAN> </TD>
<TD class=playerend><SPAN class="end ufa ">UFA</SPAN></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


</P>


http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-giants/yearly/</P>


Jerry Reese, as good as he is at drafting and evaluating players, he is as bad at adjusting cap and finances. Chris Canty is getting way too much money. Big jumps in Eli, Snee, Kiwi, Bradshaw, Rolle and Bass's contracts. It is going to get ugly. </P>

bLuereverie
02-10-2012, 09:31 AM
Those are base salaries too. They don't reflect the entire cap effect.

bansaw
02-10-2012, 09:36 AM
going after a DT in the Albert Haynesworth year was questionable

what we paid to get Rolle was worth it, KP was a question and CC Brown was still fresh in minds

Canty should restructure, Diehl restructures, Rolle seems like he's a Giant at heart so maybe he works something again, Jacobs gets restructured or released.

money you could work from Canty to Osi would be my first priority ... get their salaries balanced out

bansaw
02-10-2012, 09:38 AM
dont forget that Tuck contract has more than a couple million in incentives in 12 and 13

GameTime
02-10-2012, 09:43 AM
Projected Caps Space per team. Take it for what its worht. Dont know the validity of this...</P>


<FONT color=#ff0000>http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp</FONT> (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp)</P>



<TABLE border=0 width=450>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet>For the sake of this installment, we have designated teams that are less than $5M under the cap in RED. These are teams that have little money to sign free agents. Teams in BLACK, which are between $5M and $10M under the cap, are teams that look to be in pretty good shape in terms of adding more veterans without having to take drastic measures. Teams in GREEN are teams that are well under the cap and should have plenty of room to sign free agents.

With the latest CBA, which was finalized late in the Summer of 2011, the salary cap for 2011 was set at approximately $120,375,000. The projections for the 2012 figure, range between $121 Million and $125 Million, so I have elected to split the difference and use an estimate of $123 Million for 2012. Note that last season teams were allowed to borrow up to $3 Million against future capped years. Thus, the cap number for 2011 was really over $123 M. Likewise, in 2012 teams may borrow up to $2 Million against future years. Hence the real cap for 2012 is likely to be over $125 Million. For the purposes of this exercise, the numbers listed below are based on the $123.5 Million estimated cap.

Keep in mind that these numbers remain tentative -- and are changing on a daily basis. These "unofficial" figures are approximate as of February 7, 2012 and were compiled courtesy of the NFLPA and other various media sources. In some cases, these numbers include the cap adjustements for LTBE (Likely to Be Earned) incentives that were never achieved last season and have been credited against the 2012 cap. Note that teams like the Steelers that are significantly over the cap have until the 2nd week in March to comply.

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<TD></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD>
<TABLE class=input_field border=0 width="100%">
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD class=hdr bgColor=#f0e68c width="100%" colSpan=3><FONT color=#000000>
<CENTER>Projected 2012 NFL Salary Cap Space for Each Team </CENTER></FONT></TD></TR>
<TR></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=sm_col_hdr bgColor=#006fa4 width="5%" align=center>Rank</TD>
<TD class=sm_col_hdr bgColor=#006fa4 width="50%" align=center>Team</TD>
<TD class=sm_col_hdr bgColor=#006fa4 width="30%" align=center>$ Under the Cap</TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>1 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Cincinnati Bengals </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$42358760 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>2 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Tennessee Titans </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$3026023.20 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>3 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Washington Redskins </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$28648720 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>4 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Kansas City Chiefs </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$2715580.80 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>5 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Tampa Bay Buccaneers </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$2410054.40 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>6 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Atlanta Falcons </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$2277282.40 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>7 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Denver Broncos </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$21610880 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>8 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>New England Patriots </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$2117261.60 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>9 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Chicago Bears </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$2111225.60 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>10 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>San Francisco 49ers </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$2006102.40 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>11 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Cleveland Browns </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$19210840 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>12 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Jacksonville Jaguars </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$1572972.80 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>13 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Buffalo Bills </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$14573480 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>14 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>Seattle Seahawks </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$1125756.80 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>15 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>San Diego Chargers </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#008000>$1103983.20 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>16 </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>New Orleans Saints </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>$9,641,928.00 </CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>17 </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>Philadelphia Eagles </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>$9,035,304.00 </CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>18 </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>Baltimore Ravens </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>$7,329,720.00 </CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>19 </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>Minnesota Vikings </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>$6,921,576.00 </CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>20 </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>Houston Texans </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>$6,693,328.00 </CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>21 </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>Miami Dolphins </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>$6,363,824.00 </CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>22 </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>Indianapolis Colts </CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER>$6,226,712.00 </CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>23 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>Green Bay Packers </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$4,998,832.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>24 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>Arizona Cardinals </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$4,212,360.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>25 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>St. Louis Rams </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$2,017,096.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>26 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>Detroit Lions </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$239,880.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>27 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>NY Giants </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$-1,735,808.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>28 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>NY Jets </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$-5,092,736.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>29 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>Dallas Cowboys </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$-5,910,736.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>30 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>Carolina Panthers </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$-6,962,768.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>31 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>Oakland Raiders </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$-17,861,312.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>32 </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>Pittsburgh Steelers </FONT></CENTER></TD>
<TD class=snippet bgColor=#e0e0e0>
<CENTER><FONT color=#ff0000>$-26,885,536.00 </FONT></CENTER></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR>
<TR>
<TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></P>

CDN_G-FAN
02-10-2012, 09:46 AM
we've been more aggressive in FA than most people realize (too aggressive IMHO).</P>


and to retain some talent we've overspent (our RBs).</P>


</P>


See my thread lower on the page.</P>

OX1
02-10-2012, 10:10 AM
How the heck can some pretty competative teams be 20-25 million under. UGH!!!</P>

CDN_G-FAN
02-10-2012, 10:12 AM
How the heck can some pretty competative teams be 25-30 million under. UGH!!!</P>


</P>


because they almost never sign FAs.</P>


We all scream for FAs, but its the FAs we've signed that are hand-cuffing us right now.</P>


FAs are a necessary evil, but they're definitely an evil.</P>

TuckYou
02-10-2012, 10:18 AM
How the heck can some pretty competative teams be 25-30 million under. UGH!!!</P>


</P>


because they almost never sign FAs.</P>


We all scream for FAs, but its the FAs we've signed that are hand-cuffing us right now.</P>


FAs are a necessary evil, but they're definitely an evil.</P>


</P>


Thats only half true. Yeah, we are in cap hell because of Canty, Rolle, Baas, Boley, but we are also hurt from our own guys like Eli, Cweb, Kiwi, Osi, Tuck, Snee, Jacobs, Bradshaw... Also, the Eagles have a ton of FA pick ups, and are still way under the cap. </P>

egyptian420
02-10-2012, 10:21 AM
Projected Caps Space per team. Take it for what its worht. Dont know the validity of this...</p>


<font color="#ff0000">http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp</font> (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp)</p>



<table width="450" border="0">
<tbody>
<tr>
<td class="snippet">For the sake of this installment, we have designated teams that are less than $5M under the cap in RED. These are teams that have little money to sign free agents. Teams in BLACK, which are between $5M and $10M under the cap, are teams that look to be in pretty good shape in terms of adding more veterans without having to take drastic measures. Teams in GREEN are teams that are well under the cap and should have plenty of room to sign free agents.

With the latest CBA, which was finalized late in the Summer of 2011, the salary cap for 2011 was set at approximately $120,375,000. The projections for the 2012 figure, range between $121 Million and $125 Million, so I have elected to split the difference and use an estimate of $123 Million for 2012. Note that last season teams were allowed to borrow up to $3 Million against future capped years. Thus, the cap number for 2011 was really over $123 M. Likewise, in 2012 teams may borrow up to $2 Million against future years. Hence the real cap for 2012 is likely to be over $125 Million. For the purposes of this exercise, the numbers listed below are based on the $123.5 Million estimated cap.

Keep in mind that these numbers remain tentative -- and are changing on a daily basis. These "unofficial" figures are approximate as of February 7, 2012 and were compiled courtesy of the NFLPA and other various media sources. In some cases, these numbers include the cap adjustements for LTBE (Likely to Be Earned) incentives that were never achieved last season and have been credited against the 2012 cap. Note that teams like the Steelers that are significantly over the cap have until the 2nd week in March to comply.

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<td class="hdr" colspan="3" width="100%" bgcolor="#f0e68c"><font color="#000000">
<center>Projected 2012 NFL Salary Cap Space for Each Team </center></font></td></tr>
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<tr>
<td class="sm_col_hdr" width="5%" align="center" bgcolor="#006fa4">Rank</td>
<td class="sm_col_hdr" width="50%" align="center" bgcolor="#006fa4">Team</td>
<td class="sm_col_hdr" width="30%" align="center" bgcolor="#006fa4">$ Under the Cap</td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">1 </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">Cincinnati Bengals </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">$42358760 </font></center></td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">2 </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">Tennessee Titans </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">$3026023.20 </font></center></td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">3 </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">Washington Redskins </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">$28648720 </font></center></td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">4 </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">Kansas City Chiefs </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">$2715580.80 </font></center></td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">5 </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">Tampa Bay Buccaneers </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">$2410054.40 </font></center></td></tr>
<tr>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">6 </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">Atlanta Falcons </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#008000">$2277282.40 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">7 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">Denver Broncos </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$21610880 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">8 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">New England Patriots </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$2117261.60 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">9 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">Chicago Bears </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$2111225.60 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">10 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">San Francisco 49ers </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$2006102.40 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">11 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">Cleveland Browns </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$19210840 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">Jacksonville Jaguars </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$1572972.80 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">Buffalo Bills </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$14573480 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">Seattle Seahawks </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$1125756.80 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#008000">15 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">San Diego Chargers </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#008000">$1103983.20 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center>New Orleans Saints </center></td>
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<center>$9,641,928.00 </center></td></tr>
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<center>Philadelphia Eagles </center></td>
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<center>$9,035,304.00 </center></td></tr>
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<center>Baltimore Ravens </center></td>
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<center>$7,329,720.00 </center></td></tr>
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<center>Minnesota Vikings </center></td>
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<center>$6,921,576.00 </center></td></tr>
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<center>Houston Texans </center></td>
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<center>$6,693,328.00 </center></td></tr>
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<center>21 </center></td>
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<center>Miami Dolphins </center></td>
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<center>$6,363,824.00 </center></td></tr>
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<center>22 </center></td>
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<center>Indianapolis Colts </center></td>
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<center>$6,226,712.00 </center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">Green Bay Packers </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$4,998,832.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">24 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">Arizona Cardinals </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$4,212,360.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">25 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">St. Louis Rams </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$2,017,096.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">Detroit Lions </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$239,880.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">NY Giants </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$-1,735,808.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">NY Jets </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$-5,092,736.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">Dallas Cowboys </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$-5,910,736.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">30 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">Carolina Panthers </font></center></td>
<td class="snippet" bgcolor="#e0e0e0">
<center><font color="#ff0000">$-6,962,768.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">31 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">Oakland Raiders </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$-17,861,312.00 </font></center></td></tr>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">32 </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">Pittsburgh Steelers </font></center></td>
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<center><font color="#ff0000">$-26,885,536.00 </font></center></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr>
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Oh dear, are the Steelers seriously that much over the cap? That's unreal

G-Man67
02-10-2012, 10:22 AM
don't kid yourself, a lot of teams are in cap trouble

chasjay
02-10-2012, 10:23 AM
Is there any chance that any of our vets would rework contracts to help the situation? I may be criminally naive in even asking that. I don't even know how much room could be made that way, even if it were a possibility.

CDN_G-FAN
02-10-2012, 10:25 AM
How the heck can some pretty competative teams be 25-30 million under. UGH!!!</P>


</P>


because they almost never sign FAs.</P>


We all scream for FAs, but its the FAs we've signed that are hand-cuffing us right now.</P>


FAs are a necessary evil, but they're definitely an evil.</P>


</P>


Thats only half true. Yeah, we are in cap hell because of Canty, Rolle, Baas, Boley, but we are also hurt from our own guys like Eli, Cweb, Kiwi, Osi, Tuck, Snee, Jacobs, Bradshaw... Also, the Eagles have a ton of FA pick ups, and are still way under the cap. </P>


</P>


The eagles are the exception and not the rule. no one knows what they've done to work everything under the cap, and no one else seems to have replicated it. when a bunch of teams start going out and signing 3 or 4 guys to $10 mill a year contracts, then i'll think we're doing something wrong.</P>


Eli, CWeb, Tuck, Snee are all internally developed guys, and while their cap hits are heavy, they're no where NEAR what they would be if we picked these guys up in FA, meaning they're no where near market value.</P>


you have a point with bradshaw and jacobs, i've made the same one in a number of threads.</P>


but the fact remains that buying talent is way more expensive than developing talent, it's not even close.</P>

OX1
02-10-2012, 10:28 AM
How the heck can some pretty competative teams be 25-30 million under. UGH!!!</P>


</P>


because they almost never sign FAs.</P>


We all scream for FAs, but its the FAs we've signed that are hand-cuffing us right now.</P>


FAs are a necessary evil, but they're definitely an evil.</P>


</P>


Even the e-girls, who signed like crazy are 9 million under...........</P>

jhamburg
02-10-2012, 10:31 AM
*How the heck can some pretty competative teams be 25-30 million under. UGH!!!</P>


</P>


because they almost never sign FAs.</P>


We all scream for FAs, but its the FAs we've signed that are hand-cuffing us right now.</P>


FAs are a necessary evil, but they're definitely an evil.</P>


</P>


*Even the e-girls, who signed like crazy are 9 million under...........</P>

I guess the thing with the Eagles was they signed a bunch of FA but they also resigned like none of their own players other than Vick. How many guys that the Eagles have drafted are playing with a fat contract right now? Like none.

buddy33
02-10-2012, 10:32 AM
Based on those salaries for next year Jacobs is gone. I think they trade Osi. Manningham will be offered a good deal and is gone. I think they might part ways with Beckum, Barden, and Sintim. There a few guys at least, that need to restructure.

ELIteManning
02-10-2012, 10:38 AM
Oh dear, are the Steelers seriously that much over the cap? That's unreal


The steelers have already renegotiated lamarr woodley and lawrence timmons contracts saving them about 11.8 million just from the two of them. They are supposedly asking about a half dozen others to do the same. Ward had said he would already take less to come back next year as well. So those 3 guys alone save free up about 14 million for the steelers.

bansaw
02-10-2012, 10:39 AM
How the heck can some pretty competative teams be 25-30 million under. UGH!!!</p>


</p>


because they almost never sign FAs.</p>


We all scream for FAs, but its the FAs we've signed that are hand-cuffing us right now.</p>


FAs are a necessary evil, but they're definitely an evil.</p>


</p>


Even the e-girls, who signed like crazy are 9 million under...........</p>the Eagles made a franchise wide model to get themselves setup to pillage the new CBA deal market
they also have an insane number of players locked up through next year and beyond. they are definitely exception to the rule
this year will be tough to get anyone, we won it all so we're limited in FA because of that new rule and there are quite a few teams that have to spend to make the minimum payroll...good year to be a FA

we just need to get some salaries balanced, that should free up money for an Osi and do it again in the draft

CDN_G-FAN
02-10-2012, 10:45 AM
Oh dear, are the Steelers seriously that much over the cap? That's unreal
The steelers have already renegotiated lamarr woodley and lawrence timmons contracts saving them about 11.8 million just from the two of them. They are supposedly asking about a half dozen others to do the same. Ward had said he would already take less to come back next year as well. So those 3 guys alone save free up about 14 million for the steelers.</P>


Good, there a little more than halfway to being under the cap, not counting signing any of their own UFAs this year...let alone having enough to sign FAs or draft picks.</P>


They're a complete mess cap wise right now.</P>

NFCEastBeast
02-10-2012, 11:24 AM
just seeing the cowboys cap issues as well makes it much easier for me....... just saying

freeoscar
02-10-2012, 11:28 AM
I don't understand that chart. Unless the decimal points are very messed up. b/c a lot the teams in green - like the pats, bears, niners show up as about $2mm under the cap, which means they should be in black. And really there's little difference between being moderately under or moderately over. that's just one non re-signing of an overpriced FA.

Mercury
02-10-2012, 11:30 AM
Keep in mind we are carrying salaries on quite a few guys that are on IR. They count toward the cap and every little bit adds up.

JesseJames
02-10-2012, 11:48 AM
if you look around the league at other teams cap situations you'll see that some teams have many millions over the cap, some as much as 40+ million, so I have to wonder how we got into this cap mess...

bansaw
02-10-2012, 11:54 AM
if you look around the league at other teams cap situations you'll see that some teams have many millions over the cap, some as much as 40+ million, so I have to wonder how we got into this cap mess...we have the trophy so it paid off

DaKraken
02-10-2012, 11:56 AM
Umm, this "cap mess" just won us a Super Bowl.

I'm having a real hard time with this thread. All this quibbling about the cap and where they are money-wise is a bit silly as the money was well spent FOR THIS YEAR regardless.

It's now a new off-season and they'll take a fresh look at the contracts etc. Those that don't work cap-wise and value/talent-wise will get restructured or the players will get cut. Simple as that.

But don't moan about the contracts themselves now after having won the title - they were given to players and were what it took AT THE TIME to get the talent here to win. I'd say there are a lot of other franchises under the cap who are kind of envious.

In Reese we trust!

CDN_G-FAN
02-10-2012, 12:09 PM
Umm, this "cap mess" just won us a Super Bowl. I'm having a real hard time with this thread. All this quibbling about the cap and where they are money-wise is a bit silly as the money was well spent FOR THIS YEAR regardless. It's now a new off-season and they'll take a fresh look at the contracts etc. Those that don't work cap-wise and value/talent-wise will get restructured or the players will get cut. Simple as that. But don't moan about the contracts themselves now after having won the title - they were given to players and were what it took AT THE TIME to get the talent here to win. I'd say there are a lot of other franchises under the cap who are kind of envious. In Reese we trust!</P>


we do trust in reese, but we don't want to be the Bucs where after the win the cap forces you to completely dismantle the entire team.</P>


and when your GM comes out and says we should expect some significant changes, then get ready for a really different roster for 2012.</P>

stomping
02-10-2012, 12:11 PM
Umm, this "cap mess" just won us a Super Bowl.

I'm having a real hard time with this thread. All this quibbling about the cap and where they are money-wise is a bit silly as the money was well spent FOR THIS YEAR regardless.

It's now a new off-season and they'll take a fresh look at the contracts etc. Those that don't work cap-wise and value/talent-wise will get restructured or the players will get cut. Simple as that.

But don't moan about the contracts themselves now after having won the title - they were given to players and were what it took AT THE TIME to get the talent here to win. I'd say there are a lot of other franchises under the cap who are kind of envious.

In Reese we trust!

I agree. This is why teams spend money for. I mean, 2 championships in 4 years? 4 since '88? I feel like a spoiled football fan. This could be why my other teams suck but thats besides the point.

Reese can fix all this. I'd say he's been doing a decent job. I don't mind sacrificing the next 1 or 2 years. We can always reload again later. We won. I'm happy. =)

MattMeyerBud
02-10-2012, 01:05 PM
It doesn't make sense to me that we're so much worse off than other teams with regard to the cap. Our superstars other than Eli (Nicks, Cruz, JPP, etc) are mostly on rookie contracts...Tuck and Osi aren't making crazy money. We made a few moderately expensive FA signings like Canty, Boley, Rolle, Baas, but we haven't gone crazy like the Eagles have. For the most part we've been pretty modest and disciplined with our signings, so what's the deal? And will our situation get better any time soon?

the only positions we haven't sunk alot of money into was LBs, WRs, and TEs

everything else we have players paid good contracts...

we have alot of value deals...

Tuck and Osi got big deals for when they were signed. We paid Canty, Boley, Webster, Rolle, Jacobs, Snee, Baas, Diehl, and McKenzie

Then we have Ross, Phillips, Nicks, and JPP on rookie first round deals which first rounders were getting paid.

We are a team of a depth as well (obviously shown)

Then you have Eli who is a franchise, elite QB getting a deal in which he is even underpaid.

Giants have spread the money out and done a damn fine job of doing so.

RoanokeFan
02-10-2012, 01:10 PM
Don't forget IR. For every player on IR, and we have a lot of them, we are paying another player a second salary and both salaries count against the CAP.

THE_New_York_Giants
02-10-2012, 01:20 PM
I don't understand that chart. Unless the decimal points are very messed up. b/c a lot the teams in green - like the pats, bears, niners show up as about $2mm under the cap, which means they should be in black. And really there's little difference between being moderately under or moderately over. that's just one non re-signing of an overpriced FA.
the most shocking one is that the bengals are 42 million under and made the playoffs. They are going to be good next year if they play their cards right.

freeoscar
02-10-2012, 01:29 PM
theoretically the Bengals are in very good shape - they are young, have a good young QB, draft picks from the Palmer trade, plenty of money under the cap (and with the new minimum payroll from the CBA they actually have to spend it). Pitt and Balt are old. The Browns perennially suck or are mediocre. But Mike Brown is one of the worst executives in the sport, so I'm sure he'll screw it up.