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Giants10Joe
02-22-2012, 08:57 PM
I read an article on ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7602007/here-10-things-watch-nfl-combine) where John Clayton said that he thinks there are 10 cornerbacks that could go in the first 2 rounds. We know that Reese likes to take the best player available and if there's really as many good CBs as Clayton says there's a decent chance that the BPA at 32 is a CB, especially if some drop as teams trade up to get QBs. Do you think Reese would pick CBs in the first round 2 years in a row? We have 4 or 5 CBs that are free agents this year, including Ross and Thomas. If we can't resign either Ross or TT (or both) and 1 or 2 of the backups, CB might be a good first round pick.

Voldamort
02-22-2012, 09:02 PM
why not

NYGinIN
02-22-2012, 09:41 PM
if a cb is the best player available when we pick

Bohemian
02-22-2012, 09:43 PM
What part of 'best talent available' is hard to understand? That is what the first and second rounds are all about.

JMFP2
02-22-2012, 09:59 PM
I read an article on ESPN.com (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7602007/here-10-things-watch-nfl-combine) where John Clayton said that he thinks there are 10 cornerbacks that could go in the first 2 rounds. We know that Reese likes to take the best player available and if there's really as many good CBs as Clayton says there's a decent chance that the BPA at 32 is a CB, especially if some drop as teams trade up to get QBs. Do you think Reese would pick CBs in the first round 2 years in a row? We have 4 or 5 CBs that are free agents this year, including Ross and Thomas. If we can't resign either Ross or TT (or both) and 1 or 2 of the backups, CB might be a good first round pick.
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Considering what happened to the CB position this year, I would definitely be fine with grabbing a talented prospect, if he is the best available.</P>


I was thrilled with how the defense turned it around last season...but in a conference with Rodgers and Brees, quality CBs are a must.</P>

myles2424
02-22-2012, 10:29 PM
Assuming we get TT back....Webster,TT,Prince,Rookie?
I'm not fond of having a 1st round pick on the bench.....
With all those injuries & possibly Ross not coming back, I'm all for CB depth......but idk about the 1st round,much rather wait 2nd-4th....
I see Oline,LB,TE as bigger needs......DT,S,& RB depth also needed

NYGRealityCheck
02-22-2012, 10:40 PM
Assuming we get TT back....Webster,TT,Prince,Rookie?
I'm not fond of having a 1st round pick on the bench.....
With all those injuries & possibly Ross not coming back, I'm all for CB depth......but idk about the 1st round,much rather wait 2nd-4th....
I see Oline,LB,TE as bigger needs......DT,S,& RB depth also needed

I'm not so sure about DT, S, and RB being depth needs...

DT: Canty, Linval Joseph, Marvin Austin, (maybe a 4th from draft)
S: Rolle, Phillips, Sash, and Chad Jones
RB: Unless they plan to do something with Jacobs, it's still Bradshaw and Jacobs (No.1 and No. 2), D. Ware, Da'Rel Scott, and Andre Brown in the practice squad.

Giants10Joe
02-22-2012, 10:44 PM
Assuming we get TT back....Webster,TT,Prince,Rookie?
I'm not fond of having a 1st round pick on the bench.....
With all those injuries &amp; possibly Ross not coming back, I'm all for CB depth......but idk about the 1st round,much rather wait 2nd-4th....
I see Oline,LB,TE as bigger needs......DT,S,&amp; RB depth also needed

I agree. I would rather see an Reese take an offensive lineman or linebacker in the first round. I was just pointing out that this draft class is supposedly deep at CB and that makes it likely that the BPA is a CB, but that's not something I've really seen people discuss much.

myles2424
02-22-2012, 10:49 PM
Assuming we get TT back....Webster,TT,Prince,Rookie?
I'm not fond of having a 1st round pick on the bench.....
With all those injuries & possibly Ross not coming back, I'm all for CB depth......but idk about the 1st round,much rather wait 2nd-4th....
I see Oline,LB,TE as bigger needs......DT,S,& RB depth also needed I said "depth" not immediate needs....
But just for the hell of it....
Marvin Austin, he's basically going to be a unproven rookie this season that's a few years out of football & fresh off IR....if something happened to canty or linval would you comfortable with that?
Safety, Phillips has been solid as well as Rolle......but, not game changing or near worth his paycheck.....sash,did the guy even play this year? And did you really mention Chad jones? I wish the best to the kid,but let's be realistic... We have two legit Safeties, nothing wrong with upgrading our depth there...
RB,Bradshaw seems to be playing hurt every season.....Jacobs isn't the same & with his big payday due he'll be forced to take a pay cut or leave....ware shows nothing to be deserving of a spot on a team that was once a dominant running team....Scott,another rookie that's unseen....and Andre brown has had a bad injury past since early in his college career....

Depth is much needed at these spots.....

Oline,LB,TE being the bigger needs obviously...

I'm not so sure about DT, S, and RB being immediate needs...

DT: Canty, Linval Joseph, Marvin Austin
S: Rolle, Phillips, Sash, and Chad Jones
RB: Unless they plan to do something with Jacobs, it's still Bradshaw and Jacobs (No.1 and No. 2), D. Ware, Da'Rel Scott, and Andre Brown in the practice squad.

MikeSherrard
02-22-2012, 10:54 PM
I like it! With a great pass rush and improved depth and quality at CB...that's a great recipe for a top flight defense!

RagTime Blue
02-22-2012, 11:08 PM
I think there's a few positions that will get a SLIGHT need bonus when it comes to picking.

CB is certainly one of them. . .no matter what round we're looking at.

TuckYou
02-22-2012, 11:18 PM
Assuming we get TT back....Webster,TT,Prince,Rookie? I'm not fond of having a 1st round pick on the bench..... With all those injuries &amp; possibly Ross not coming back, I'm all for CB depth......but idk about the 1st round,much rather wait 2nd-4th.... I see Oline,LB,TE as bigger needs......DT,S,&amp; RB depth also needed</P>


We drafted JPP with Osi Tuck and Kiwi.</P>

myles2424
02-22-2012, 11:47 PM
Assuming we get TT back....Webster,TT,Prince,Rookie? I'm not fond of having a 1st round pick on the bench..... With all those injuries & possibly Ross not coming back, I'm all for CB depth......but idk about the 1st round,much rather wait 2nd-4th.... I see Oline,LB,TE as bigger needs......DT,S,& RB depth also needed</P>


We drafted JPP with Osi Tuck and Kiwi.</P> our D is built around our pass rush & rotate them frequently, not to mention all the times we get them all on the field at the same time.......
My argument is this....assuming TT comes back at a high level....2012 & so on, there will be web,TT,prince,or ___ sitting on the sidelines while making starters $$$$....

rainierjef
02-23-2012, 12:05 AM
DB's are going to go off the shelf like crazy, by the time we pick were looking at the 6th - 7th best CB. that's not BPA

JJC7301
02-23-2012, 12:15 AM
I wouldn't be surprised at all with either a CB or S in the 1st round.

CB: Ross is probably gone and TT may be as well, or is coming back from a serious injury. We have Web and Prince, but we need depth. At S, Grant is older and once again we need depth at the position. I don't know if Johnson will be coming back

TuckYou
02-23-2012, 11:20 AM
Assuming we get TT back....Webster,TT,Prince,Rookie? I'm not fond of having a 1st round pick on the bench..... With all those injuries &amp; possibly Ross not coming back, I'm all for CB depth......but idk about the 1st round,much rather wait 2nd-4th.... I see Oline,LB,TE as bigger needs......DT,S,&amp; RB depth also needed</P>


We drafted JPP with Osi Tuck and Kiwi.</P>


our D is built around our pass rush &amp; rotate them frequently, not to mention all the times we get them all on the field at the same time....... My argument is this....assuming TT comes back at a high level....2012 &amp; so on, there will be web,TT,prince,or ___ sitting on the sidelines while making starters $$$$....</P>


Thats a big assumption though with TT andI dont see Ross coming back. But lets say TT does bounce back and we get him contracted somehow when we really dont have much spare cash, Cweb isnt going to be around forever. He is 30 next week. CBs generally dont contribute much their 1st or even 2nd year (Cweb is a perfect example of this nearly being cut in 2007). So by the time this new 2012 CB comes into his own, Cweb might be out the door. So if CB is the BPA available, Reese will take him. </P>

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 11:35 AM
The way the NFL is going, DBs are the new pass rushers in the mindset that you can never have enough of them. Every decent team has AT LEAST 2 high caliber passing options and if we get lucky enough where Janoris Jenkins (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620533)or Dre Kirkpatrick (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664145) fall to us we HAVE to pull the trigger on them


...Imagine 1 of those guys drop to us in the 1st and Burfict (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664141) drops to us in the 2nd, oh man!!!!

burier
02-23-2012, 11:35 AM
I hope the best player available in the first round is a linebacker. But I do believe we should take the best player available as long as no in our war room believes the best player available is a olineman.

Also this T2 stuff is getting annoying.

He's got to be the most overrated Giant since Seawright. You guys act like he was Revis or somebody and then you totally ignore that the guy would be coming off his SECOND acl injury. Even if it were his first injury you ignore that guys hardly ever return to form the following year.

If JR signs this guy it will be on the total cheap and he'll struggle to crack the lineup.

myles2424
02-23-2012, 02:49 PM
The way the NFL is going, DBs are the new pass rushers in the mindset that you can never have enough of them.* Every decent team has AT LEAST 2 high caliber passing options and if we get lucky enough where Janoris Jenkins (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620533)or Dre Kirkpatrick (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664145) fall to us we HAVE to pull the trigger on them


...Imagine 1 of those guys drop to us in the 1st and Burfict (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664141) drops to us in the 2nd, oh man!!!!
idk about Kirkpatrick.....but we will never draft Jenkins,no matter what.....you can take that to the bank..

gmen0820
02-23-2012, 02:52 PM
I hope it's Dre Kirkpatrick. I love this kid, I think he'll be a star.

Mayock recently moved this kid right behind Claiborne in his CB rankings.

RoanokeFan
02-23-2012, 03:00 PM
I think our biggest need is the OLIne, but of course Reese would if it's a no brainer at # 32. I think he might even go for a DE if that was BPA at 32

Kase-1
02-23-2012, 03:09 PM
The way the NFL is going, DBs are the new pass rushers in the mindset that you can never have enough of them. Every decent team has AT LEAST 2 high caliber passing options and if we get lucky enough where Janoris Jenkins (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620533)or Dre Kirkpatrick (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664145) fall to us we HAVE to pull the trigger on them


...Imagine 1 of those guys drop to us in the 1st and Burfict (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664141) drops to us in the 2nd, oh man!!!!
idk about Kirkpatrick.....but we will never draft Jenkins,no matter what.....you can take that to the bank..
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TuckYou
02-23-2012, 04:23 PM
I think our biggest need is the OLIne, but of course Reese would if it's a no brainer at # 32. I think he might even go for a DE if that was BPA at 32
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You think? I know. He will take BPA no matter the position, especially after what happened in 2010. JPP was the BPA and not a need at all. If Coples was there, its a no brainer. Or if a stud DT is there, he will do it. Someone tried saying the other day if Luck was there Reese wouldnt draft him. Obviously that wont happen, but by saying that means you have no idea about anything. Of course he would draft Luck if he was there. He will draft the top player on his board regardless of position.</P>


Im just wondering where he will place guys like Vontaze Burfect who obviously has top 10 talent, but not sure about that motor and his anger issues.</P>

Giants10Joe
02-23-2012, 04:34 PM
The way the NFL is going, DBs are the new pass rushers in the mindset that you can never have enough of them. Every decent team has AT LEAST 2 high caliber passing options and if we get lucky enough where Janoris Jenkins (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1620533)or Dre Kirkpatrick (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664145) fall to us we HAVE to pull the trigger on them


...Imagine 1 of those guys drop to us in the 1st and Burfict (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664141) drops to us in the 2nd, oh man!!!!


I highly doubt we get Burfict in the second round. I've seen that guy mocked in the late 1st round. However, I'm getting excited just thinking about the possibility of getting a late 1st early 2nd round guy at the end of the 2nd.

Spedracer
02-23-2012, 04:36 PM
If Joe Haden is still on the board the Giants will pick him.

In all seriousness...I like Chase Minnifield and Desmond Trufant. I think they both show good things on the field IMO.

nygsb42champs
02-23-2012, 04:42 PM
Another DB in the first round? Every one of our main DB's are 1st or 2 nd rounders. I know Ross and T2 are free agents but if one of them is resigned we need to look elsewhere in the first round.

titwio
02-23-2012, 04:44 PM
It's highly unlikely Kirkpatrick slips to 32 but the guys who should be inline for the Giants are guys like Chase Minnifield, Alfonzo Dennard, Brandon Boykin and Trumaine Johnson....Trumaine is a guy I could see moving up draft boards with a good combine. Big fluid press corner with good speed and long arms. Over 6'2 200Ibs and seems like he'd fit the Giants scheme very well.

Both Trumaine Johnson and Chase Minnifield fit the Giants mold IMO and I wouldn't mind if either of them were the pick at 32....I still want to see how they perform at the combine though.

pica01
02-23-2012, 05:01 PM
I'll never question Reese again.With TT returning and Prince last year Cb doesn't seem to be an early round need.And we don't play coverage defense,like the Jet's,for instance.Be truthfull.When Reese drafted JPP,an unknown DE,you thought,a DE,really?That worked out pretty well,huh?I would expect that alot more teams will start copying the Giants pass defense blueprint and start attacking pass defense from the D-line rush vs the secondary covering.Some thought 07 a fluke.2011 made it a trend.If 10 cornerbacks go in the 1st 2 rounds it'll show GM's still don't get it.Rules favor the reciever.Pass rushers are more important than cover corners.We stockpile pass rushers.It's worked twice in 4 years.I keep waiting for experts like Clayton to point this out.I predict alot more DE pass rushing types will be drafted earlier than the Kipers and the Claytons expect.4 DE's rushing on 3rd down.That beats depending on coverage corners.We have 2 rings to prove it.Don't get me wrong however.We have the rushers.Combine that with great cover corners could be the plan.Whatever Reese does,I trust him.Even if our 1st rounder is a DE.

pica01
02-23-2012, 05:08 PM
I'd also like to comment on the quality of the football talk here now that the SB talk is subsiding.I've only been here a month or so but some of the rediculous responses to my posts earlier were very disappointing.I'm glad to see that now it's down to real football guys and serious give and take.