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  • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
    So your argument is criminals will always break the law so we shouldnt even bother having laws. Thats what Im reading.
    Laws are put into place to punish criminals and others who break any law.
    Punishing people that push hard drugs that you can overdose on isnt a "dumb law" in my opinion.
    Most gun laws ARE dumb, I agree with you there.
    No, not at all.jm is saying that criminals usually get guns through channels that are illegal to begin with. You can't pass the vetting process for a weapon if you are already a criminal. The laws keep the guns out of the hands of the people who truly do want them for protection, and they don't effect criminals who don't get them through legal channels to begin with.... so, the law has no effect on them.

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    • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
      The government also didnt want hemp to kill the cotton industry.
      During WWII, the Government paid farmers in the Midwest to grow it so they could get hemp, It is really good for a number of applications,

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      • Originally posted by zimonami View Post
        No, not at all.jm is saying that criminals usually get guns through channels that are illegal to begin with. You can't pass the vetting process for a weapon if you are already a criminal. The laws keep the guns out of the hands of the people who truly do want them for protection, and they don't effect criminals who don't get them through legal channels to begin with.... so, the law has no effect on them.
        If they get caught it certainly has an effect on them.

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        • Originally posted by zimonami View Post
          No, not at all.jm is saying that criminals usually get guns through channels that are illegal to begin with. You can't pass the vetting process for a weapon if you are already a criminal. The laws keep the guns out of the hands of the people who truly do want them for protection, and they don't effect criminals who don't get them through legal channels to begin with.... so, the law has no effect on them.
          Hit the nail right on the head.
          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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          • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
            So your argument is criminals will always break the law so we shouldnt even bother having laws. Thats what Im reading.
            Laws are put into place to punish criminals and others who break any law.
            Punishing people that push hard drugs that you can overdose on isnt a "dumb law" in my opinion.
            There already are laws, creating new ones won't make them suck less at enforcing the laws that already exist.

            You can overdose on damn near anything. Creating laws that cannot be effectively enforced makes the whole situation worse. You wanted to mention prohibition? Well that is a perfect example of it. If it is legal, nobody will be "pushing" it. You can pick up some heroin at the check out line at Wawa if you want it. Nobody is forcing you to take it. Kids die from sniffing too much paint thinner, want to make that illegal? Fatty foods are killing people at a higher rate than any drug. So should they put every chain restaurant working in jail for "pushing" things that will kill you? It's absurd. The more they try to legislate our choices the worse the situation becomes.

            There are so many debates and discussions in the federal government that really should have nothing to do with them. Allow people to make their choices, have their own personal freedom to do with their lives as they wish. If a bunch of the cull themselves from society because they made bad decisions, oh well, they made their own bed and the rest of us can learn from their example.

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            • Drugs and guns are two completely separate issues. We all have the constitutional right to own a gun. And I agree with you. Too many politicians have no clue what they are talking about. They dont know calibers, they dont know the difference between semi and automatic....

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              • Why are transgender bathroom laws left to the states but marijuana is federal?
                Mood: WOOF!

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                • Originally posted by jmike View Post
                  There already are laws, creating new ones won't make them suck less at enforcing the laws that already exist.

                  You can overdose on damn near anything. Creating laws that cannot be effectively enforced makes the whole situation worse. You wanted to mention prohibition? Well that is a perfect example of it. If it is legal, nobody will be "pushing" it. You can pick up some heroin at the check out line at Wawa if you want it. Nobody is forcing you to take it. Kids die from sniffing too much paint thinner, want to make that illegal? Fatty foods are killing people at a higher rate than any drug. So should they put every chain restaurant working in jail for "pushing" things that will kill you? It's absurd. The more they try to legislate our choices the worse the situation becomes.

                  There are so many debates and discussions in the federal government that really should have nothing to do with them. Allow people to make their choices, have their own personal freedom to do with their lives as they wish. If a bunch of the cull themselves from society because they made bad decisions, oh well, they made their own bed and the rest of us can learn from their example.
                  Again, agree to disagree. I think legalizing heroine and other hard drugs would be bad, very bad. You can clearly see how bad it is with people abusing percs.

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                  • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                    Drugs and guns are two completely separate issues. We all have the constitutional right to own a gun. And I agree with you. Too many politicians have no clue what they are talking about. They dont know calibers, they dont know the difference between semi and automatic....
                    Two separate issues with the same problems. The government is completely incapable of effectively controlling either and to compensate they keep making laws and throwing money at making any problems related to them worse. They are like that old lady in AC that dumps her whole pension check into a slot machine and gets excited because she gets coupons for a free buffet dinner.

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                    • Originally posted by Rudy View Post
                      Why are transgender bathroom laws left to the states but marijuana is federal?
                      Better question, why do we have transgender bathroom laws?

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                      • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                        Again, agree to disagree. I think legalizing heroine and other hard drugs would be bad, very bad. You can clearly see how bad it is with people abusing percs.
                        What is the downside? The heavy users who can't control it die? Sounds like the problems will take care of themselves.

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                        • Originally posted by jmike View Post
                          Better question, why do we have transgender bathroom laws?
                          Votes.

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                          • Originally posted by jmike View Post
                            Better question, why do we have transgender bathroom laws?
                            Oh you didn't know? all transgender individuals are child molesters. Don't you watch Fox News, Jenn?!
                            Oderint Dum Metuant

                            It's too bad, I'm too good....

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                            • Originally posted by jmike View Post
                              What is the downside? The heavy users who can't control it die? Sounds like the problems will take care of themselves.
                              You said you lost friends too, did you say that when they couldnt control their addiction. Come on now Jen.

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                              • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
                                Oh you didn't know? all transgender individuals are child molesters. Don't you watch Fox News, Jenn?!
                                IDK about that, but they do have a 40% suicide rate.

                                Hey dezz, that is worse than drug users too. Should we make being transgender illegal? Or should we just put a bunch of suicide laws in place? Like the death penalty if you are caught trying to kill yourself?

                                Why have men's and women's rooms, are urinals that important to you guys? Just put a buch of stalls in. There is a wall thing there so I don't have to watch some guy I don't know shake off his penis.

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