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  • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
    A lot of my right-leaning friends who work in law enforcement will be quick to complain about paying into socialist programs, calling a lot of people who they have run-ins with as "welfare queens" and the like....

    I have to constantly remind them that they are employed due to a socialist program and that it's the reason they can make 6-figure salaries with all the OT they can eat.
    Well, they live it and see it everyday, Pizzleboo.

    6 figures? Ask a rookie NYPD cop what he makes. They are lucky if they can bring home 50,000 a year.

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    • Originally posted by zimonami View Post
      I liked Bernie. People were too stuck on his 'socialist' policies, as though he was a throwback to an old Communist regime. Of course Social Security, Welfare, Food Stamps and many other socialist type programs are ignored for being exactly that.
      Bernie would have beaten Donald. The DNC, with their "Super Delegates" that were the downfall for him, miscalculated how tired people were of the political corruption and political status quo that Hillary represented.
      How do we get any semblance of power back in the hands of the people?
      The power of the vote.
      We all agree that most in both parties are corrupt. So, forget about pulling a party lever and Vote Out Incumbent Candidates Everywhere... VOICE.
      If we do that in 2 years, they will all take serious note. Imagine the media reporting that 80% of the incumbents lost? The winners will recognize why they won, and will not be so quick to fall under the power of the lobbyists that buy their votes. Those who were not part of that general election will realize that they will be gone next unless they quit giving us lip service and lying only to vote as their benefactors tell them.
      And, of course, we need term limits for them all. The President has term limits (Thank God)... so should all the rest.
      Bernie.......Never saw an economic course he took.
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
        Well, they live it and see it everyday, Pizzleboo.

        6 figures? Ask a rookie NYPD cop what he makes. They are lucky if they can bring home 50,000 a year.
        Don't they make between 38K-50K?
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • Originally posted by JPizzack View Post
          But to Zim's point, which I agreed with; Delegates from primaries and caucuses are a sham, because even in 2017 they exclude people, in most states.

          Wouldn't these committees WANT to see my vote to know how they are doing?! Don't they WANT my vote?! doesn't the other side WANT to know what they are up against?! It's all kind of dumb. I just recently had to look up how to re-register as Dem JUST so I can vote in primaries. I unfortunately missed the cut off for 2016 election which I believe was some time in march.
          We did in PA. I registered republican and she registered Democrat. So we get at least one vote in each primary. Not ideal, but it works well enough.

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          • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
            I cant stand his thin skin. Its so beneath him now.
            There is something too petty for him? That is news.

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            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
              Republicans are supposed to nominate republicans and democrats are supposed to nominate democrats.
              I hate the fact that in some states they allow crossover votes in primaries.
              I don't want democrats involved in picking the GOP nominee.
              Seems to me that they should allow the democrats to vote in democratic primary and the republicans to vote in republican primaries and independants to vote in one or the other each year.

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              • Originally posted by zimonami View Post
                I liked Bernie. People were too stuck on his 'socialist' policies, as though he was a throwback to an old Communist regime. Of course Social Security, Welfare, Food Stamps and many other socialist type programs are ignored for being exactly that.
                Bernie would have beaten Donald. The DNC, with their "Super Delegates" that were the downfall for him, miscalculated how tired people were of the political corruption and political status quo that Hillary represented.
                How do we get any semblance of power back in the hands of the people?
                The power of the vote.
                We all agree that most in both parties are corrupt. So, forget about pulling a party lever and Vote Out Incumbent Candidates Everywhere... VOICE.
                If we do that in 2 years, they will all take serious note. Imagine the media reporting that 80% of the incumbents lost? The winners will recognize why they won, and will not be so quick to fall under the power of the lobbyists that buy their votes. Those who were not part of that general election will realize that they will be gone next unless they quit giving us lip service and lying only to vote as their benefactors tell them.
                And, of course, we need term limits for them all. The President has term limits (Thank God)... so should all the rest.
                I liked Bernie because at least he was mostly honest. I think he would have been a terrible president though. His economic policy was a train wreck waiting to happen.

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                • Originally posted by zimonami View Post
                  Of course there was no way to pay for it all. It was dreaming. Or, was it?
                  He intended to pay for it by decreasing the military budget substantially and increasing Corporate taxes.
                  As it turned out, yes, all he was doing was grandstanding, because when it came down to his convictions he backed out real quick after meeting with Hillary.
                  And, I think you're right, unfortunately... Liz Warren is also all about grandstanding.

                  Is it possible to find a truly honest politician?
                  He would have pushed a lot of jobs out of the country with his plan on corporate taxation. The big business would be able to avoid and the people who would be hurt are the small family run businesses that are competeing by the skin of their teeth as it is. His plan would have lead to either a communist nation because there wouldn't be enough jobs available for people to support themselves without government aide. Or it would lead to most of the jobs in country would be with a small handful of corporations, which could then control wages, will be the primary source of revenue for the government and would become the defacto government as all officials would basically be working for them. So, it would be hard for me to vote for Bernie with what it would lead to.

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                    • Originally posted by jmike View Post
                      He would have pushed a lot of jobs out of the country with his plan on corporate taxation. The big business would be able to avoid and the people who would be hurt are the small family run businesses that are competeing by the skin of their teeth as it is. His plan would have lead to either a communist nation because there wouldn't be enough jobs available for people to support themselves without government aide. Or it would lead to most of the jobs in country would be with a small handful of corporations, which could then control wages, will be the primary source of revenue for the government and would become the defacto government as all officials would basically be working for them. So, it would be hard for me to vote for Bernie with what it would lead to.
                      It was equally hard to vote for Hillary or Donald.
                      To reinforce what you say... Donald will reduce Corporate taxes (as though they aren't already low) and in return he is getting unprecedented support from Corporations pledging their expansions in the US, instead of overseas or in Mexico . Foxconn, who are primarily 'assemblers' of ipads, iphones, and the like, and are based in Taiwan with factories in mainland China, has pledged to expand into the US with a $6 billion plant and between 30-50k employees because of Trump policies and direct negotiations. Ford, Hyundai, and Kia have all also stated that their proposed expansions will be in the US instead of overseas.
                      In this respect, Donald has been effective. Now if he could only stop being an arrogant, impetuous and impatient Ahole who hasn't got the first idea how to negotiate with politicians, et al, instead of just bullying everyone.
                      And, a P.S. ... love that you have a combined Rep and Dem vote in the primaries. That's better than no vote at all, which is what I have.
                      Last edited by zimonami; 02-27-2017, 06:20 PM.

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                      • Who all would vote for me if I ran for president
                        Mood: WOOF!

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                        • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                          Ask a rookie NYPD cop what he makes. They are lucky if they can bring home 50,000 a year.
                          I don't want to join the fray here but just wanted to say: that's their 3rd year salary; usually they start at around 30 something.
                          But they get to retire at age 50 when they're making 80K.
                          It's the same with NYC firefighters.
                          I've got 2 friends who are both. They've told me all the ins and outs.
                          Let's say this: it's a miserable friggin job and it takes balls to do it. The one good thing is the earlier retirement, the pension, etc.
                          "Sir, I was wondering: did you happen to catch the professional football contest on television last night?"
                          "No...I didn't."
                          "Oh it was most exhilarating: the Giants of NY took on the Packers of Green Bay and in the end the Giants triumphed by kicking an oblong ball made of pigskin through a big H. It was a most ripping victory."

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                          • Originally posted by Rudy View Post
                            Who all would vote for me if I ran for president
                            After you went all Donald Trump in here today calling 62,979,636 Americans ****ing idiots ???! I don't think so Donald Jr !














































                            I'm just teasing ya

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                            • Originally posted by zimonami View Post
                              It was equally hard to vote for Hillary or Donald.
                              To reinforce what you say... Donald will reduce Corporate taxes (as though they aren't already low) and in return he is getting unprecedented support from Corporations pledging their expansions in the US, instead of overseas or in Mexico . Foxconn, who are primarily 'assemblers' of ipads, iphones, and the like, and are based in Taiwan with factories in mainland China, has pledged to expand into the US with a $6 billion plant and between 30-50k employees because of Trump policies and direct negotiations. Ford, Hyundai, and Kia have all also stated that their proposed expansions will be in the US instead of overseas.
                              In this respect, Donald has been effective. Now if he could only stop being an arrogant, impetuous and impatient Ahole who hasn't got the first idea how to negotiate with politicians, et al, instead of just bullying everyone.
                              And, a P.S. ... love that you have a combined Rep and Dem vote in the primaries. That's better than no vote at all, which is what I have.
                              Which is why I didn't vote for either of them. Not in the primaries, not in the general elections. Unfortunately the democrats didn't put up a single viable option in this cycle and the republicans put up a couple but they didn't get the nomination.

                              Too often when people think of corporation, they think that they are these huge companies that control a lot of wealth. That is a small fraction of them. Most of the family shops, small business owners and people doing work for themselves are corporations as well and they run on very small margins. Heck, I'm a corporation for some of my side work I do outside of the W2 wages I earn with my accounting firm. It's a way to protect myself without significantly impacting my tax liability. Heavy taxation on corporations hurts small companies and their employees more than any of the large corporations because of the tight margins that they live by. I believe small businesses are still the number one employer in the nation and if you hurt them you take away more jobs more quickly than anything else you can do.

                              My concern with this administration is how they are going to treat S-Corporations which straddle the fence between LLC and C-Corps in their advantages and disadvantages. Particularly for those who only own one business. S-Corps are being threatened by both parties as there are opportunities to increase revenue by taxing these entities directly instead of through ownership earnings on profit. So while Trump has been good for large corporations, there is a serious concern over how his policies will effect S-Corps if at all. If he compensates for reducing corporate taxes on the larger C-Corps by directly taxing S-Corps on the federal level, it will be an ultimate net loss for the majority of Americans.

                              Btw-In Bernie's plan, S-Corps would be basically useless and your choice would be heavy taxation through forming a C-Corp or increased risk of an LLC and slightly more taxes than an S-Corp. Basically putting a large percentage of small and medium sized business out of business. Probably 40% of our Corporate clients would close their businesses within a year or stop doing business in the US. Either because they couldn't make money or they could make more in another way as their earnings would plummet.

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                              • Which losing 40% of our clients in a year might not close us down, it might though, it would definitely have an impact on the number of people we could employ. Think about what happens to the unemployment rate if a Bernie plan is put into place. It'll be like an avalanche. Starts slow, but the closing businesses and job loss would increase exponentially.

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