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  • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

    [quote user="bigblue4417"]Tony Gonzalez said after Sunday's blowout win over Indianapolis that he
    believes Julio Jones can someday be the best receiver in the NFL.[/quote]

    dude really is a freak

    but I really don't think that they did themselves any favors. I mean honestly its hard to justify the trade still IMO. As nasty as he is, Roddy White has proven to be equally as nasty and all its done is take Roddy's numbers down. I dont feel like there has been a HUGE upgrade in their pass game to the extent that it makes tha ttrade okay. They could of got a guy like Constanzo, kept next years first round pick, and signed like Randy Moss or osmething like that.

    Plenty of other way sthey could of went about it
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    • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!



      In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


      I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>
      Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.

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      • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

        Its clear that this years MVP is Peyton Manning.
        Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.

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        • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

          [quote user="Morehead State"]

          In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


          I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>[/quote]

          That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.

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          • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

            [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


            I can't believe you think he's just as bad as last year.</p>


            Thats our QB!</p>


            [/quote]

            he wasn't bad last year, he had a lot of unfortunate bounces...and there was a lot more miscommunication between him and his receivers, If I remember correctly he threw for over 4k yards and for 25+ TD's last year...yes there was a lot of interceptions...but a lot of those interceptions were not his fault, I res up into the air to be picked off to Eli...and last year that was a good 7-10 of his ints.

            Morehead...if Eli threw for 25+TD's and 4k Yards last year with only 10ish interceptions (even if his play was "IDENTICAL" you would have lauded his season...you are being blinded by stats...we are not wearing rose colored glasses..fuse attribute Interceptions that the receivers ran the wrong route on, or let bounce off their breastplateWE are the ones being objective here.
            [/quote]

            30 TDs and career high comp % as well
            [/quote]</p>


            You were saying something about my focusing on stats?</p>


            [/quote]

            i was correcting him

            the truth is your only knocks are when plays go bad. You look at the bottom line and genericly apply blame to whatever the stats say. You DO NOT watch the game and make your judgements, because if u did u wouldn't take the stance you do
            [/quote]</p>


            Maybe you can find even one reference I've made today about any stats. </p>


            I'm waiting.....</p>[/quote]

            okay- how bout the 15 times u've referenced last years turnovers on the QB (aka INTERCEPTIONS) and just flatly used that as your reasoning?

            Interceptions are a stat in the NFL - maybe u were confused wtih that. Its okay I forgive you
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            • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!



              Eli: A Giant among men.</p>

              It's eerie. Way too eerie.</p>

              Giants-Patriots,
              Super Bowl 42, fourth quarter, New England up 14-10, 1:15 to play,
              third and five, Giants' 44. Eli Manning, pressured, looks downfield for
              No. 85.</p>

              Giants-Patriots, Sunday in Foxboro, fourth quarter,
              New England up 20-17, 1:07 to play, third and 10, Giants' 39. Eli
              Manning, pressured, looks downfield for No. 85.</p>

              There's more.</p>

              Super
              Bowl 42: David Tyree hauls in the highly unlikely Velcro Catch with
              Rodney Harrison in close coverage. Gain of 32. First and 10 at the
              Patriots' 24. Fifty-nine seconds left, timeout Giants.</p>

              Sunday
              in Foxboro: Jake Ballard hauls in a one-handed catch, bending back with
              Tracy White in close coverage. Gain of 28. First and 10 at the
              Patriots' 33. Fifty-nine seconds left, clock running.</p>

              And more.</p>

              Super
              Bowl 42: Four plays after the drive-saving Tyree catch, Manning coolly
              finds Plaxico Burress in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown.
              Giants by three, with 35 seconds left.</p>

              Sunday in Foxboro:
              Four plays after the drive-saving Ballard catch, Manning coolly finds
              Ballard in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown. Giants by
              four, with 15 seconds left.</p>

              And finally ...</p>

              Super
              Bowl 42: After the Patriots return the kickoff 17 yards, Tom Brady
              throws three desperation passes to no avail. The Giants upset New
              England 17-14.</p>

              Sunday in Foxboro: After the Patriots return
              the kickoff 17 yards, Brady throws two desperation passes to no avail.
              The Giants upset New England 24-20.</p>

              "It's hard not to think
              about it,'' Manning told me from the locker room, after his biggest
              victory, all things considered, since that Super Bowl. "But in a way,
              before then, it was the complete opposite. Last time, it was the
              Patriots giving us the ball with three minutes left, up four. Today,
              after we took the four-point lead with three minutes to go, we're
              handing the ball to Tom Brady. And that's not a very good feeling.''</p>

              He's
              right. Four seasons ago, Brady threw a touchdown pass to Randy Moss
              with 2:45 left to give New England a four-point lead. And Sunday,
              Manning threw a touchdown pass to Mario Manningham with 3:07 remaining
              to give the Giants a four-point lead.</p>

              What made this Giant
              drive so interesting -- and, in some ways, tougher for Manning -- is
              that it came on the road instead of a neutral field, with noise and some
              of his mainstays out, hurt. Two guys Manning never heard of 20 months
              ago, Victor Cruz and Ballard, were his go-to receivers on this drive.
              And to go to Ballard twice ... it shows not only how undervalued the
              6-6, 275-pound Ballard was coming out of Ohio State after being a
              blocking tight end and going undrafted, but also how adaptable and
              user-friendly the excuse-free Manning is. </p>

              The way he
              managed his receivers on this drive, and the comfort he showed with all
              of them, shows why Manning is such a terrific player (and why, wherever
              he watched the game Sunday, the GM who dealt for him, Ernie Accorsi, had
              to be nodding knowingly at his cool demeanor and laser accuracy) and
              why it surprised no one with the Giants that he was seven of 11 with two
              touchdown passes in the last seven minutes of the game.</p>

              On
              the throw to Ballard, Manning said it was a simple seam route and
              Ballard got over the linebacker, White, and he thought there was a tiny
              window to make the throw. What he didn't see was Patriot safety Patrick
              Chung charging into the play almost the way Harrison did four years ago.
              The ball was high, a smidge to Ballard's left, and he had to reach for
              it awkwardly, bringing it in with one hand to the other. A great catch.
              Not a Tyree catch, but what is?</p>

              "Huge,'' Manning said. "Jake's got great hands. He made a great catch there.''</p>

              Four
              plays later, at the Patriot one, the Giants had a third-and-goal. No
              timeouts left and 19 seconds to play. "You almost have to throw it
              there,'' Manning said. "If you run, and you don't make it, then you run
              your field goal unit on the field while you're unpiling, and it's chaos.
              Their guys laying on our guys, untangling the pile. You might not get
              the field goal off. So you've got to throw.''</p>

              "You audible?'' I asked. "Or was it the called play you ran?''</p>

              "No audible,'' he said. "Just a play-action, off the run. We sold it, and I saw Jake with a step on his guy.''</p>

              Not
              to dramatize the throw, but FOX had a camera in the corner of the end
              zone focused on Manning's throw. There was no wavering. In the Super
              Bowl, he had to place the ball deftly over a New England corner into
              Burress' hands. Here, Manning had to rip it, and he did. It was a
              perfect dart.</p>

              Manning is not his brother, the precision
              player and the prototype. But I believe Eli is a better clutch player
              than Peyton. No knock on Peyton. But look at the moments Eli's had. His
              2007 postseason is one of the best any quarterback has ever played,
              winning three on the road (including beating Favre at Lambeau in
              minus-18 weather) and then upsetting the 18-0 Patriots in the Super
              Bowl. And Sunday, with 80- and 85-yard drives in the final seven minutes
              to beat Bill Belichick and Brady.</p>

              <font color="#0000FF">They don't make many like Eli Manning, and if you're a Giants' partisan, you've got to be thrilled he's yours.</font></p><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
              Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1d3BKtOxD
              </div>

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              • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                [quote user="Morehead State"]

                In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


                I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>[/quote]

                i guess espnboston.com doesn't use intercpetions as a stat?
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                • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                  [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                  In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


                  I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>


                  [/quote]

                  That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
                  [/quote]</P>


                  Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


                  </P>


                  Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


                  He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


                  I call that "significant improvement"</P>


                  Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>
                  Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.

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                  • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                    [quote user="bigblue4417"][quote user="ny06"][/quote]
                    He flinches like such a *****. That is so ****ing funny!!!
                    [/quote]hILARIOUS

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                    • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                      [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                      In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


                      I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>


                      [/quote]

                      That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
                      [/quote]</p>


                      Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


                      </p>


                      Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


                      He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


                      I call that "significant improvement"</p>


                      Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>[/quote]

                      i already explained that to you

                      per usual you ignore the basic FACTS of that I gave you. And for most of that i didn't even need stats. And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky. Hes still had dropped balls that went for tips in the air - they just haven't been intercepted
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                      • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                        [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                        In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


                        I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>


                        [/quote]

                        That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
                        [/quote]</P>


                        Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


                        </P>


                        Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


                        He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


                        I call that "significant improvement"</P>


                        Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>


                        [/quote]



                        . And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
                        [/quote]</P>


                        Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</P>
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                        • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                          [quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                          In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</p>


                          I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</p>


                          [/quote]

                          That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
                          [/quote]</p>


                          Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


                          </p>


                          Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


                          He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


                          I call that "significant improvement"</p>


                          Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>


                          [/quote]



                          . And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
                          [/quote]</p>


                          Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</p>[/quote]

                          true because i'm wrong. We didn't set an NFL record of tipped balls for INTs in one season
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                          • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                            [quote user="bigblue4417"]

                            Eli: A Giant among men.</p>

                            It's eerie. Way too eerie.</p>

                            Giants-Patriots,
                            Super Bowl 42, fourth quarter, New England up 14-10, 1:15 to play,
                            third and five, Giants' 44. Eli Manning, pressured, looks downfield for
                            No. 85.</p>

                            Giants-Patriots, Sunday in Foxboro, fourth quarter,
                            New England up 20-17, 1:07 to play, third and 10, Giants' 39. Eli
                            Manning, pressured, looks downfield for No. 85.</p>

                            There's more.</p>

                            Super
                            Bowl 42: David Tyree hauls in the highly unlikely Velcro Catch with
                            Rodney Harrison in close coverage. Gain of 32. First and 10 at the
                            Patriots' 24. Fifty-nine seconds left, timeout Giants.</p>

                            Sunday
                            in Foxboro: Jake Ballard hauls in a one-handed catch, bending back with
                            Tracy White in close coverage. Gain of 28. First and 10 at the
                            Patriots' 33. Fifty-nine seconds left, clock running.</p>

                            And more.</p>

                            Super
                            Bowl 42: Four plays after the drive-saving Tyree catch, Manning coolly
                            finds Plaxico Burress in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown.
                            Giants by three, with 35 seconds left.</p>

                            Sunday in Foxboro:
                            Four plays after the drive-saving Ballard catch, Manning coolly finds
                            Ballard in the left side of the end zone for a touchdown. Giants by
                            four, with 15 seconds left.</p>

                            And finally ...</p>

                            Super
                            Bowl 42: After the Patriots return the kickoff 17 yards, Tom Brady
                            throws three desperation passes to no avail. The Giants upset New
                            England 17-14.</p>

                            Sunday in Foxboro: After the Patriots return
                            the kickoff 17 yards, Brady throws two desperation passes to no avail.
                            The Giants upset New England 24-20.</p>

                            "It's hard not to think
                            about it,'' Manning told me from the locker room, after his biggest
                            victory, all things considered, since that Super Bowl. "But in a way,
                            before then, it was the complete opposite. Last time, it was the
                            Patriots giving us the ball with three minutes left, up four. Today,
                            after we took the four-point lead with three minutes to go, we're
                            handing the ball to Tom Brady. And that's not a very good feeling.''</p>

                            He's
                            right. Four seasons ago, Brady threw a touchdown pass to Randy Moss
                            with 2:45 left to give New England a four-point lead. And Sunday,
                            Manning threw a touchdown pass to Mario Manningham with 3:07 remaining
                            to give the Giants a four-point lead.</p>

                            What made this Giant
                            drive so interesting -- and, in some ways, tougher for Manning -- is
                            that it came on the road instead of a neutral field, with noise and some
                            of his mainstays out, hurt. Two guys Manning never heard of 20 months
                            ago, Victor Cruz and Ballard, were his go-to receivers on this drive.
                            And to go to Ballard twice ... it shows not only how undervalued the
                            6-6, 275-pound Ballard was coming out of Ohio State after being a
                            blocking tight end and going undrafted, but also how adaptable and
                            user-friendly the excuse-free Manning is. </p>

                            The way he
                            managed his receivers on this drive, and the comfort he showed with all
                            of them, shows why Manning is such a terrific player (and why, wherever
                            he watched the game Sunday, the GM who dealt for him, Ernie Accorsi, had
                            to be nodding knowingly at his cool demeanor and laser accuracy) and
                            why it surprised no one with the Giants that he was seven of 11 with two
                            touchdown passes in the last seven minutes of the game.</p>

                            On
                            the throw to Ballard, Manning said it was a simple seam route and
                            Ballard got over the linebacker, White, and he thought there was a tiny
                            window to make the throw. What he didn't see was Patriot safety Patrick
                            Chung charging into the play almost the way Harrison did four years ago.
                            The ball was high, a smidge to Ballard's left, and he had to reach for
                            it awkwardly, bringing it in with one hand to the other. A great catch.
                            Not a Tyree catch, but what is?</p>

                            "Huge,'' Manning said. "Jake's got great hands. He made a great catch there.''</p>

                            Four
                            plays later, at the Patriot one, the Giants had a third-and-goal. No
                            timeouts left and 19 seconds to play. "You almost have to throw it
                            there,'' Manning said. "If you run, and you don't make it, then you run
                            your field goal unit on the field while you're unpiling, and it's chaos.
                            Their guys laying on our guys, untangling the pile. You might not get
                            the field goal off. So you've got to throw.''</p>

                            "You audible?'' I asked. "Or was it the called play you ran?''</p>

                            "No audible,'' he said. "Just a play-action, off the run. We sold it, and I saw Jake with a step on his guy.''</p>

                            Not
                            to dramatize the throw, but FOX had a camera in the corner of the end
                            zone focused on Manning's throw. There was no wavering. In the Super
                            Bowl, he had to place the ball deftly over a New England corner into
                            Burress' hands. Here, Manning had to rip it, and he did. It was a
                            perfect dart.</p>

                            Manning is not his brother, the precision
                            player and the prototype. But I believe Eli is a better clutch player
                            than Peyton. No knock on Peyton. But look at the moments Eli's had. His
                            2007 postseason is one of the best any quarterback has ever played,
                            winning three on the road (including beating Favre at Lambeau in
                            minus-18 weather) and then upsetting the 18-0 Patriots in the Super
                            Bowl. And Sunday, with 80- and 85-yard drives in the final seven minutes
                            to beat Bill Belichick and Brady.</p>

                            <font color="#0000FF">They don't make many like Eli Manning, and if you're a Giants' partisan, you've got to be thrilled he's yours.</font></p><div style="overflow: hidden; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; border: medium none;">
                            Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1d3BKtOxD
                            </div>[/quote]Great read-thanks Lando

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                            • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                              [quote user="Morehead State"]

                              Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</p>


                              </p>


                              Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</p>


                              He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</p>


                              I call that "significant improvement"</p>


                              Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</p>[/quote]

                              there is nothing wrong with the argument you make here except for it's not true when you watch him play, I'd love for it to be, but his movement in the pocket, his impulse to throw early and into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed has not improved substantially, it's pretty much at the same place it was last year, he hasn't seemed to be taking any more sacks or throwing the ball away any more then was evident last year and he hasn't been dumping it off in more situations.

                              The only reasonable explanation for why you "think" these things have happened (even though they haven't) is because you are looking at results (in one case statistics) and you are convincing yourself these improvements have taken place because it's the simplest solution (which yes is often the correct one) but in this case it's more complicated then that, my opinion is not that he has just been luckier this year (although he has been to some extent) it's that the players around him have improved, you refuse to believe that....but it only makes sense that young receivers like Nicks Manningham and Cruz will make large improvements there first couple years in the NFL and then their improvement will taper off...just like anything else, Eli is already close to as good as he's going to get he might get slightly better year to year...but the massive increase to the results you are noticing this year....that's coming from the team in general...not some massive or "significant" improvement in Eli's play.

                              I can reference Bowling as a parallel as I tend to sometimes since I could be a (and this is a fact not just something I'm saying I do qualify) Professional Bowler.

                              when I was just starting my average would jump every year, 140 to 170, next year was 170 to 190, nowadays...I'm going from 215-216 If that, the better you get the less room you have for improvement.

                              Nicks Manningham and Cruz are making "significant" Improvements...and in doing so it makes Eli "look" better since the results come from both sides combining, but Eli isn't not getting "much" better...and he wasn't "that" bad last year...if you actually watch him instead of just taking into account the results (like you do) then you would notice that.

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                              • Re: THEE GAME IS vs THE BUFFALO BILLS ON OCT 16th!

                                [quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="MattMeyerBud"][quote user="Morehead State"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="Morehead State"]


                                In the past 10 minutes we've had Scrappy quote Eli's TD and yardage stats from last year. We've had Matt quote Eli's TD and completion % stats from last year and then had them both accuse me of relying too much on stats.</P>


                                I am the only one in this argument who has yet to refer to a single stat.</P>


                                [/quote]

                                That doesn't absolve you of anything, you are formulating your opinion based upon statistics instead of watching Eli, that much is CLEAR...we are talking stats because it's the only thing you understand, whether you actually reference them or not is irrelevant.
                                [/quote]</P>


                                Here is the case I made just a half hour ago. Maybe you can tell me how I use stats and maybe you can tell me how this doesn't apply exclusively to "what I see on the field"</P>


                                </P>


                                Throwing off your back foot is not a mistake. Its neccessary in the NFL.</P>


                                He is better in the pocket. He is moving in the pocket to create more time and he has resisted (for the most part) the impulse to throw early into coverage before the play has sufficiently developed. He has thrown more balls away. He has taken more sacks if the situation calls for it. he has even dumped it off more when WR's downfield aren't open.</P>


                                I call that "significant improvement"</P>


                                Your view is that he's just "luckier". Which in my opinion is foolish</P>


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                                . And I don't agree that he is luckier, i just think hes not as unlucky.
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                                Thank you for this Matt. My day is made.</P>


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                                true because i'm wrong. We didn't set an NFL record of tipped balls for INTs in one season
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                                Another one of your stats?</P>
                                Deny everything. Admit nothing. Make counter accusations.

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